Yes color makes a difference. I've a few printed, different designer's, planes, various colors. My mini Delta fighter took a UV shot with brief sun exposure. First experience of a known no-no. Intrigued with varishore PLA lt ht and if successful with it have to consider what to do with a dozen+ Overture rolls and a few polylight's. Thanks for the video and time in your research.
Nice work, Very educational, Keep up the good work. With this new information I no longer know which type of LW to use. It remains a matter of searching and testing.Greetings from the small country of Belgium
Great point! however pla is already know to melt in these temps... I was not trying to show that, but I could do a follow up with a similar white pla to show it melt if this gets enough likes
yes, red will absorb more light energy than white... however white PLA still will get soft in 60-70C heat over an hour and ruin whatever shape it has. I could do a follow up to show this if it gets enough likes.
@@soarkraft or the difference between ht-lw pla in colors besides white. I mean, if the high temp is only useful in white due to energy absorption from the sunlight than that would be practical to know. I think black pla is obviously a known no go for sun but I’m not sure about other colors. Most people only test heat deformation using oven not sunlight.
Appreciate your channel btw. Lots of details about things that are very useful to know. I’ve also made my own plane design and have probably watched every video about 3d printed planes. I bought your plane months ago. Great design
There is some interesting chemistry for how they make the different colors and how it affects the mechanical properties. Different colors are stronger / weaker, several white papers I found, might have some affect on heat deflection too, but sun absorption is straight up "black body" energy absorption. I could come up with fun testing to do all day... but really I need to focus on finishing some new plane designs and get them published.
Looks like the ColorFabb LW-PLA-HT is worth the money. Good thing they got set up in the USA - I just ordered a couple spools to get free shipping. I'm only partway thru my first printed plane where I used a LW-PLA. With what I know now, I don't expect it to last long. Now I have ASA and the ColorFAbb LW-PLA-HT. I'll have to see how the ASA compares to the ColorFabb for strength and toughness. I'm wondering if I should use a mix, depending on the part, for RC planes.
I believe the 135*C is for printed UNFOAMED PLA-HP. If you look at the sheet there is a asterisk. I don’t know why those results are included. The result for LW PLA HT. IS 72c
Very nice! Great video. Would love to see a comparison to LW-ASA in the future, even if on paper it should be no contest. I print in normal ASA because of the texas heat. I attempted a plane in black bambu aero and it melted in my hand before i could even get the control surface check done.
Working on it, started the LW-ASA one first.... had issues. I switched to this material just to see if it was as much of a pain.... and it was soooo much easier I switched and did this one first.
It would be interesting to know how it holds up with small impacts etc, I saw and heard not so much good news on Lw-ASA, I saw a video on UA-cam showing have brittle it is, plus you need an enclosure to have good result's.
Yes, been wanting to figure out an IZOD like impact test for thin wall structures. The science gets a little complicated with materials that have different properties in X-Y and Z due to layer adhesion, similar to the difficulty of impact testing composite structures. 3D printing one and two wall thickness seam to change the properties of some material of these material in weird ways. The bending force tester is pretty straight forward beam testing, going to make a twist (torsion) test too... maybe a mini swing hammer tester would work for impact.
Great research, lots of really useful information. Have you ever considered going bigger on your designs and turning it into a hot liner style of machine rather than a powered glider ?
Yes I have, the SoarKraft Igneous is a warm liner and is already available, T-tail, power pod, and instructions to print and build. I several new models coming.... including a 1000W F5D style pylon racer and longer wingspans, EDFs. I just keep getting distracted with new printers and new materials.... work, family, life. Half of my audience wants something slower, half wants something faster.... working on both, and I crash everything.
That’s great news. F5D ! Yea bring it on ! Really like the sound of that. I have printed a couple of Igneous just find the battery compartment too small for some decent power loops and motor combo. Great content, keep it coming please.
If you live in the US ColorFabb just opened a direct to customer US warehouse in NJ... shipping was $4 / roll to Colorado for me.... ordering enough ($75) and its free. Just order directly on their website. It was terrible expensive before with $40 shipping from Europe for anything weird like this, or $70/roll from MatterHackers..... and they only carried the basic LW-PLA and were always out of stock.
Another great video, very informative. Thanks Frank
Thanks for these tests. Helped me decide which route i plan to go
Yes color makes a difference. I've a few printed, different designer's, planes, various colors. My mini Delta fighter took a UV shot with brief sun exposure. First experience of a known no-no. Intrigued with varishore PLA lt ht and if successful with it have to consider what to do with a dozen+ Overture rolls and a few polylight's. Thanks for the video and time in your research.
Nice work, Very educational, Keep up the good work. With this new information I no longer know which type of LW to use. It remains a matter of searching and testing.Greetings from the small country of Belgium
Thanks for the support. In Belgium you have easy access to this material from ColorFabb directly.... their in your backyard.
Great tests, thanks. I think the pla was at a great disadvantage in the temp testing due to its color.
Great point! however pla is already know to melt in these temps... I was not trying to show that, but I could do a follow up with a similar white pla to show it melt if this gets enough likes
Wow, pretty impressive stuff! Thanks for taking the time to test.
Glad you liked it!
Thank you for the comparison. I had just purchased some HT material but have not printed anything yet.
way easier than the LW-ASA stuff for me
Thank for the information. It was very useful.
Since you were using the sun for heat it’s possible the color of the pla caused it to absorb more energy.
yes, red will absorb more light energy than white... however white PLA still will get soft in 60-70C heat over an hour and ruin whatever shape it has. I could do a follow up to show this if it gets enough likes.
@@soarkraft or the difference between ht-lw pla in colors besides white. I mean, if the high temp is only useful in white due to energy absorption from the sunlight than that would be practical to know. I think black pla is obviously a known no go for sun but I’m not sure about other colors. Most people only test heat deformation using oven not sunlight.
Appreciate your channel btw. Lots of details about things that are very useful to know. I’ve also made my own plane design and have probably watched every video about 3d printed planes. I bought your plane months ago. Great design
There is some interesting chemistry for how they make the different colors and how it affects the mechanical properties. Different colors are stronger / weaker, several white papers I found, might have some affect on heat deflection too, but sun absorption is straight up "black body" energy absorption. I could come up with fun testing to do all day... but really I need to focus on finishing some new plane designs and get them published.
wow color me suprised, thanks for testing👍 definately gonna buy the HT version next time, too bad i have lots of regular white and black...
I would not use the black, but the regular white stuff works well, just don't leave it in the car or paint it black on top.
HT is totally worth it. It costs a lot more to throw your warped airplane in the trash. Been there. I'll probably try lw ASA at some point
Looks like the ColorFabb LW-PLA-HT is worth the money. Good thing they got set up in the USA - I just ordered a couple spools to get free shipping. I'm only partway thru my first printed plane where I used a LW-PLA. With what I know now, I don't expect it to last long. Now I have ASA and the ColorFAbb LW-PLA-HT. I'll have to see how the ASA compares to the ColorFabb for strength and toughness. I'm wondering if I should use a mix, depending on the part, for RC planes.
I believe the 135*C is for printed UNFOAMED PLA-HP. If you look at the sheet there is a asterisk. I don’t know why those results are included. The result for LW PLA HT. IS 72c
Very nice! Great video. Would love to see a comparison to LW-ASA in the future, even if on paper it should be no contest. I print in normal ASA because of the texas heat. I attempted a plane in black bambu aero and it melted in my hand before i could even get the control surface check done.
Working on it, started the LW-ASA one first.... had issues. I switched to this material just to see if it was as much of a pain.... and it was soooo much easier I switched and did this one first.
I would like to print Foam as a solid Infill and HT on the out side; would this work? I don’t have a dual extruder yet.
Did you happen to take into account that the pla+ was a darker color there for more susceptible to heat deformation?
It would be interesting to know how it holds up with small impacts etc, I saw and heard not so much good news on Lw-ASA, I saw a video on UA-cam showing have brittle it is, plus you need an enclosure to have good result's.
Yes, been wanting to figure out an IZOD like impact test for thin wall structures. The science gets a little complicated with materials that have different properties in X-Y and Z due to layer adhesion, similar to the difficulty of impact testing composite structures. 3D printing one and two wall thickness seam to change the properties of some material of these material in weird ways. The bending force tester is pretty straight forward beam testing, going to make a twist (torsion) test too... maybe a mini swing hammer tester would work for impact.
Great research, lots of really useful information.
Have you ever considered going bigger on your designs and turning it into a hot liner style of machine rather than a powered glider ?
Yes I have, the SoarKraft Igneous is a warm liner and is already available, T-tail, power pod, and instructions to print and build. I several new models coming.... including a 1000W F5D style pylon racer and longer wingspans, EDFs. I just keep getting distracted with new printers and new materials.... work, family, life. Half of my audience wants something slower, half wants something faster.... working on both, and I crash everything.
That’s great news.
F5D ! Yea bring it on !
Really like the sound of that.
I have printed a couple of Igneous just find the battery compartment too small for some decent power loops and motor combo.
Great content, keep it coming please.
please compare CF LWPLA HT to LW ASA from CF and Bambu... Thanks
Yep, working on it, just the LW-ASA is almost unusable for me.
the price isnt a prob with colorfabb the delivery costs are XD its like half the price of the filament
If you live in the US ColorFabb just opened a direct to customer US warehouse in NJ... shipping was $4 / roll to Colorado for me.... ordering enough ($75) and its free. Just order directly on their website.
It was terrible expensive before with $40 shipping from Europe for anything weird like this, or $70/roll from MatterHackers..... and they only carried the basic LW-PLA and were always out of stock.
@@soarkraft well too bad i live in France 🤣 anyway i didnt know for the free delivery past 75$ i guess i'll take 1.5kg of it then