Bike fitting really isn't all that difficult ... but the cost these days is crazy ... I've had a bike fit years ago, but its a £1000 day out these days (certainly the 2-3 near me in London/Surrey) .... I'm not sure where the '£100 - £200' figure has come from ...... even his website says £170 for an initial consultation to see what bike fit is then required .... its not a cheap day out ... crazy just crazy
Yeah, they must smoke some crack before sending those prices. Also, very naive to assume everybody Will have a local bike fit. Most of the times you Will end buying online your bike because prices and overall options anyways
@@cityslacker6221 That's the text book consumerism answer ... but just like phones, TV's, etc .. its a relatively new industry, and it'll correct ... in years to come it'll become free to sit down and get sold bars, shoes, insoles, saddles, etc .. LOL
HI There. If you look closer you will see that the Bike sizing service is £120. Most full fits only require 30 minutes of fitting so the total is only £230 and thats only if you need adjustments. If not the full figure is £170. If you are wanting to purchase a bike then it is FOC. All of this is clearly shown on the website.
Having had a bike fit in France I can vouch the importance of them, I had the correct bike but because of my leg and body proportions I needed a zero offset seat tube plus plenty of adjustments required thereafter. Whilst many may state I could have worked this out by gaining knowledge researching I know I wouldn’t have got there. The comfort I gained after the fit was amazing. If you are considering one and unsure of the cost / benefits consider the downside of injuries.
Very good, as you would expect of someone with his experience. It would have taken me 11 takes just to say specificity. But....if people learn and get bike fits before buying, where am I going to get all my 2nd hand bikes from at half price?
On "long torso larger size, long leg smaller size", I have always been fitted opposite. With long torso myself, I didn't necessarily prioritise seat tube height (so more seat post exposing), but rather the longer head tube of larger frame made fitting more difficult/sitting too up right. With the smaller frame I could have a longer stem and few spacer on steerer, but you can't achieve the same with a larger size, no?
It really depends on what bikes you are looking at. Someone with a long torso needs to look at tt length/reach, and stack height/headtube length, then maybe ST length in case it's too long. Old steel bikes the seat tube and head tube are generally extended at a similar rate, where the top tube is short so long torso riders might need to choose the largest size they can and slam the stem to get more reach, or just run 130+mm stems.
Yeah, I noticed that too. Although he said a long torso rider needs a *longer* frame, which is technically true. But not necessarily a bigger one, because if you look at most geometry charts, a bigger size usually has a minor reach increase, usually under 10mm, but stack increase of 20 or more. Also you might run into too much standover height and seat tube length, so a smaller size with a longer stem will work much better.
@@michaelmechextrue to an extent but it then screws the handling. Depending on the frame this is why we tried to explain about the jumps in stack and reach. Ultimately you just need to work to that once you know your ideal range.
If I’d live in the UK id visit this bikefitter. He seems to know the best so far of all the videos I’ve watched (or I simply agree on all he thinks). Would he be able to recommend a bikefitter in NL with the same knowledge, skills? 🙏
Get a $500 bikefitter, then they will recommend you a $10000+ Dogma X, or better yet a complete custom bike with an eyewatering price tag. 😂 You guys know which UA-cam bikefitter I'm memeing about... Not everybody is born as a billionaire...😂 Personally, I'd just get the most basic bike sizing, preferably from the bike shop for free. If I need a better sizing references, I'd just go do the Idmatch by selle italia. And only if somehow I get good enough as a amateur cyclist in my local crits, would I be consider doing a extended bikefitting. Just my two cents. 😅
Yes thats why our Bike sizing is only £120. We dont recommend any bikes unless asked and often run searches for these clients to see what bikes would fit them so they can buy second hand online with confidence.
Is bike fitting for MTBs usefull? I ask because on a MTB I dont sit for "hours", I rather move around on the bike. And can u explain where this x0,885 or something method is from and why it exist? Its so wrong but some keep doing this.
Yes we fit MTB regularly. There are different things we are looking at depending on the discipline. Ratio based calculations come from trying to get people somewhere close. They where mostly devised may years ago by frame builders working out frame sizes before sports science became prevalent. It’s what we did40 years ago when I started building frames.
Reach should be your main measurement. Seat height is very easy to adjust in most cases (I'm looking at you, Colnago Y1Rs)... But how long a bike is is weirdly inconsistent if you compare size numbers between brands and sometimes individual models within the same brand. For example, my reach is exactly the same on a 56 3T Exploro, a 54 Specialized Roubaix and a 52 Scott Addict. I understand being between 2 frame sizes, but 3?!
Are people really buying the wrong bike size or just the wrong type of bike. Every year in Majorca I see a ton of race bikes with maximum spacers and often upturned stems. Clearly just the wrong type of bike for that person.
I'd say the radius of the wheel minus the bb drop plus seat tube length should be close enough? It will be slightly less, depending on how much the top tube is dropped, but it doesn't need to be milimeter perfect. If you're not sure, it's probably too high.
@@reinholdachleitner2069 yeah, I get that ;) I'm asking how to find out what the standover height of a size 54 Pinarello dogma x is, for example, if Pinarello doesn't publish the standover height numbers.
Too short of a stem on a bike is a problem. Too long is not. It is a visual thing. Why I know,? pros have smaller bikes than normal people would and they put very long stems. 130mm , 140mm is quite common. You can't say they can't use their bikes properly..
I will take that on board. The map uses google maps so that you can zoom into your area but we are working on making it much more user friendly. If in doubt simply email us and we will send you links to al of your local certified fitters.
If you can't afford a fitter, Neill Stanbury's videos are an incredibly good way to start understanding bike fitting.
This all day Long! And Steve hogg
Bike fitting really isn't all that difficult ... but the cost these days is crazy ... I've had a bike fit years ago, but its a £1000 day out these days (certainly the 2-3 near me in London/Surrey) .... I'm not sure where the '£100 - £200' figure has come from ...... even his website says £170 for an initial consultation to see what bike fit is then required .... its not a cheap day out ... crazy just crazy
Yeah, they must smoke some crack before sending those prices. Also, very naive to assume everybody Will have a local bike fit. Most of the times you Will end buying online your bike because prices and overall options anyways
Bike fit prices are out of this world. 350 CAD is what I've seen around here and it's for what, 1 hour of a guy with a measuring tape?
supply and demand. All you’re telling me is there aren’t enough techs doing bike fits.
@@cityslacker6221 That's the text book consumerism answer ... but just like phones, TV's, etc .. its a relatively new industry, and it'll correct ... in years to come it'll become free to sit down and get sold bars, shoes, insoles, saddles, etc .. LOL
HI There. If you look closer you will see that the Bike sizing service is £120. Most full fits only require 30 minutes of fitting so the total is only £230 and thats only if you need adjustments. If not the full figure is £170. If you are wanting to purchase a bike then it is FOC. All of this is clearly shown on the website.
Having had a bike fit in France I can vouch the importance of them, I had the correct bike but because of my leg and body proportions I needed a zero offset seat tube plus plenty of adjustments required thereafter. Whilst many may state I could have worked this out by gaining knowledge researching I know I wouldn’t have got there. The comfort I gained after the fit was amazing. If you are considering one and unsure of the cost / benefits consider the downside of injuries.
I had this problem,so I went to specialized and tried that model in both sizes and chose what I felt better on 👍
And thats a great way to do it if you can test ride. Annoyingly this is becoming a thing of the past.
Very good, as you would expect of someone with his experience. It would have taken me 11 takes just to say specificity. But....if people learn and get bike fits before buying, where am I going to get all my 2nd hand bikes from at half price?
Great one David!
On "long torso larger size, long leg smaller size", I have always been fitted opposite. With long torso myself, I didn't necessarily prioritise seat tube height (so more seat post exposing), but rather the longer head tube of larger frame made fitting more difficult/sitting too up right. With the smaller frame I could have a longer stem and few spacer on steerer, but you can't achieve the same with a larger size, no?
It really depends on what bikes you are looking at. Someone with a long torso needs to look at tt length/reach, and stack height/headtube length, then maybe ST length in case it's too long. Old steel bikes the seat tube and head tube are generally extended at a similar rate, where the top tube is short so long torso riders might need to choose the largest size they can and slam the stem to get more reach, or just run 130+mm stems.
Yeah, I noticed that too. Although he said a long torso rider needs a *longer* frame, which is technically true. But not necessarily a bigger one, because if you look at most geometry charts, a bigger size usually has a minor reach increase, usually under 10mm, but stack increase of 20 or more. Also you might run into too much standover height and seat tube length, so a smaller size with a longer stem will work much better.
@@michaelmechextrue to an extent but it then screws the handling. Depending on the frame this is why we tried to explain about the jumps in stack and reach.
Ultimately you just need to work to that once you know your ideal range.
How do you know if you have a lot g torso /short legs or the opposite? Or normal? Where can I find this information? Thanks!
People buying a new bike don't need a bike fitting, but bike sizing. These are different.
absolutely right. That is why this service is separated out on our website.
Happy Christmas Dave 🎉
If I’d live in the UK id visit this bikefitter. He seems to know the best so far of all the videos I’ve watched (or I simply agree on all he thinks). Would he be able to recommend a bikefitter in NL with the same knowledge, skills? 🙏
Hi there.
Yes simply go to the IBFI website and you will be able to search for other level 4 fitters. There are some great people in NL.
Get a $500 bikefitter, then they will recommend you a $10000+ Dogma X, or better yet a complete custom bike with an eyewatering price tag. 😂 You guys know which UA-cam bikefitter I'm memeing about... Not everybody is born as a billionaire...😂 Personally, I'd just get the most basic bike sizing, preferably from the bike shop for free. If I need a better sizing references, I'd just go do the Idmatch by selle italia. And only if somehow I get good enough as a amateur cyclist in my local crits, would I be consider doing a extended bikefitting. Just my two cents. 😅
Yes thats why our Bike sizing is only £120. We dont recommend any bikes unless asked and often run searches for these clients to see what bikes would fit them so they can buy second hand online with confidence.
Is bike fitting for MTBs usefull? I ask because on a MTB I dont sit for "hours", I rather move around on the bike.
And can u explain where this x0,885 or something method is from and why it exist? Its so wrong but some keep doing this.
Yes we fit MTB regularly. There are different things we are looking at depending on the discipline.
Ratio based calculations come from trying to get people somewhere close. They where mostly devised may years ago by frame builders working out frame sizes before sports science became prevalent. It’s what we did40 years ago when I started building frames.
Reach should be your main measurement. Seat height is very easy to adjust in most cases (I'm looking at you, Colnago Y1Rs)... But how long a bike is is weirdly inconsistent if you compare size numbers between brands and sometimes individual models within the same brand. For example, my reach is exactly the same on a 56 3T Exploro, a 54 Specialized Roubaix and a 52 Scott Addict. I understand being between 2 frame sizes, but 3?!
😂 what seatpost !!
Are people really buying the wrong bike size or just the wrong type of bike. Every year in Majorca I see a ton of race bikes with maximum spacers and often upturned stems. Clearly just the wrong type of bike for that person.
Cause all want to see themselves as racers and buy aggressive bikes, and then they realize they cant sit comfortable
How can I determine standover height from (primarily Italian for some reason) manufacturers that don't publish that information?
Standiver height is when stand over the top tube and there should be at least 1 to 2 inches clearance between your crotch and the top tube.
I'd say the radius of the wheel minus the bb drop plus seat tube length should be close enough? It will be slightly less, depending on how much the top tube is dropped, but it doesn't need to be milimeter perfect. If you're not sure, it's probably too high.
@@reinholdachleitner2069 yeah, I get that ;) I'm asking how to find out what the standover height of a size 54 Pinarello dogma x is, for example, if Pinarello doesn't publish the standover height numbers.
Too short of a stem on a bike is a problem. Too long is not. It is a visual thing. Why I know,? pros have smaller bikes than normal people would and they put very long stems. 130mm , 140mm is quite common. You can't say they can't use their bikes properly..
Why do people keep referring to the inseam? Inseam is not the same as inside leg.
I've had it with bike fit videos, they are everywhere, please no more.
Looking at a 3000 bike and bike fit is 300…..
IBFI site is awful. Can’t search by zip or location, just country and certification levels. Useless.
I will take that on board. The map uses google maps so that you can zoom into your area but we are working on making it much more user friendly.
If in doubt simply email us and we will send you links to al of your local certified fitters.