Before you comment saying "oohhh nooo elitist gamers ruining the fun for everyone" just know that they were just quoting some fucking voicelines. Y'all need to chill
Okay, but can we all agree that the voice of Minos Prime (Stephan Weyte) did a phenomenal job? Ultrakill fans will never hear the word 'JUDGEMENT' the same way ever again thanks to him.
People have to keep in mind Doom Eternal is a game designed with mass appeal in mind which is why the bosses are generally much simpler and straight forward than ultrakill, I generally prefer Ultrakill because it lacks the ammo systems and marauder that make doom feel convoluted imo but both games are extremely fun
@@AmelpsXett yes, it doesn't have a ammo system. Hakita (the main dev of Ultrakill) said that adding an ammo system wouldn't make the fun combos and mechanics possible.
@@ozgurfratboz6770 played doom eternal before ultrakill. Ultrakill offers more freedom, making it superior in the movement and combo department. But if you're referring to the simplicity of the bosses, well yeah, ultrakill is simpler. This boss does this (announces the movement before attacking), you dodge it like this or parry it, downtime where you attack. But it makes it more fun than doom eternal tho.
@@ImJustNes I didn't have to mention Overwatch ewe But Yeah I guess Blizzard devs openly saying: "Most of us played TF2, we really like it" was an evident death sentence and totally not an overeaction of the TF2 Community o_o
@@HunterBolt8 thats... kinda a mask to all the situation, and i can see it do works well, yes, Blizzard talked very well of TF2, while on the other face of the coin they payed some... Very specific youtubers, with the objective of making communities which were into TF2 in the past believe it was the future of the hero shooter industry and any other game of the genre would soon-to-be obsolete. Anyhow, this does turn this... "discussion" into something with zero relation to the Doom-Ultrakill situation, in which i agree its completely useless and unnecessary
Oh no. Oh no, no NO. This is the time. Two fandoms are trying to prove at all costs that their game is the "top". It happened with tf2 and overwatch, minecraft and terraria, and now it's happening between doom and ultrakill. We cannot allow this, I do not agree to it. Dusk better.
"So concludes the life and time of king sisyphus" " a fitting end, to an existence defined by pointless internet arguments " "Doomed from the very start" _"And i dont regret a second of it."_
TMW you realize the game with the funny blood robot has a narrative inspired by modern existential philosophies of nihilism, existentialism, and absurdism.
@@nosh62 While true, ULTRAKILL's community is especially bad. I love the game, but I'd rather never have to interact with its community at all. Doesn't help that half of ULTRAKILL's fans never touched the game to begin with
@@silverhand9965 I'm not into the community, so why is that? Also, _please_ don't tell me half the community only watched Max0r's videos or some shit like that 💀
The types of mechanics depend on what you want. If you want blood, violence, and absolute carnage to such a degree it gives Mortal Kombat a run for its gore, then yes, DOOM Eternal is peak gaming mechanics. ULTRAKILL may be violent, but you can't rip a demon's arm off and beat him to death with it (even though V1 absolutely would do that if necessary). If you want extremely unnecessary but really cool and flashy movement with a shooter centered around being incredibly fast and absolutely styling on the enemy, then yes, ULTRAKILL is better. You can do weapon combos in DOOM, but I have yet to see Doomguy fire a railgun off of four nickels into someone's skull 90 degrees to the right of where they shot the first coin.
Dunno, i'm pretty sure "punching a bullet not only faster than a shotgun firing it, but also so fast that it just straight up eviscerates the poor soul in front of it who barely did anything do you" is pretty violent and bloody
@@the_parasites It's bloody, but not DOOM levels of graphic. You can straight up saw demons in half in DOOM. In full detail. You can take a leg of an Arachnotron and jam its own leg in one of its eyes. You can take the eye out of a demon and shove it into said demon's mouth. ULTRAKILL is nowhere near on the level of DOOM's violence.
ok here's the way I see it First Person Shooters have two main elements they require from you, skill and strategy You have to have the skill to execute very precise movements and perform elaborate feats, but also the strategy to adapt to new situations and roll with your mistakes Ultrakill emphasizes the skill over the strategy, meaning you're put into short bursts of precision where any small mistake can end the life, but you're given a chance to immediately retry Doom Eternal is much more about strategy with its long encounters where you're encouraged to make more mistakes but you have more leeway when it comes to recovering. Mechanics are also much less precise and you're given more time to think in general. They're the peak of each respective end of that spectrum of shooters, and they still both require an insane amount of skill and strategy to beat. It's not that one is better than the other, it's just that they're both trying to accomplish different things
What is the point of the game having multiple playstyles and "freedom" if the fanbase is going to hunt you down for playing with only one or two weapons as your playstyle? I guess you only have the freedom to play the playstyles the fanbase wants you to, rather than the game.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 Okay?? Don't listen to the fanbase then? Seems like a non-issue to me. The game even keeps your weapon freshness bonus at max if you only have one weapon equipped, so the devs are clearly cool with people playing the game that way.
@@chrystales6169 Correct. That is exactly why I am here, not listening to the fanbase, and/or criticizing them for being hypocritical and nonsensical. And by 'fanbase', I only refer to the toxic fanboys. Your average Ultrakill fan is not toxic.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 I'm sorry, I genuinely can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. Why bother making your first reply if you don't 'listen' to the fanbase in the first place? If you were making a point about content creators getting harassed/backseated, then yes, that is an issue. But to be clear, at no point have I have ever defended the fandoms of any game. I only speak for their actual quality as standalone games.
yes, that’s it. statements like the title are the root of the fandom wars and probably where to cure this silliness. maybe we should have people stop bloody overrating the games they love. imo it’s both super naive and disingenuous of other’s feelings. i just don’t get this damn absolute mindset. for instance yes, i find doom: eternal fun, but calling it peak mechanics feels like calling a school crush the love of your life. sounds ridiculous ngl. same for ultrakill even if i really prefer its design philosophy over eternal’s. now i’ll still put a "maybe" since it’s not the only responsible. just like we love to overrate stuff to eye rolling lengths, we love to show disapproval in the most distasteful fashion. conflict requires at least two people, and thus at least two assholes.
So instead of getting rid of the hate trains that come with fandoms, you think it'd be better if such fandoms just didn't enjoy their stuff as much? I feel like overrating something is significantly less terrible than underrating something. Almost a non-problem if you ask me.
I would argue the root cause of all this was Under the Mayo's pisspoor take on ultrakill. He criticized it completely in bad faith and those who believe him took one side while those who called him out took the other.
@@FriedNoodlee but do people really need to call their fav game the best thing since sliced bread to enjoy it more? i really don't. i feel best when what i say about the games i love remains modest or level-headed. i'd put the blame on extreme feelings, not just hate. when people "love their game too much", they also shove it in other's face or even get easily offended. makes me as uncomfortable as hate. and from what i have seen, many "haters" are just people who can't bear with this energy and vent it by being extreme themselves. i don't want to say that people should be cold about it because -i would then not feel special anymore- the world would sound frighteningly different that way. however if people don't want wars, they could chill a little and moderate their takes for starters.
@@ayuballena8217 So it is a meme to bring up Ultrakill when someone is trying to talk about an unrelated game they like a lot? It is very obvious what they were trying to do.
to be fair that works, because in practice that's a level with a bossbar at the top, and the "arbitrary mechanics" are climbing the damn boss to get to the bit you can actually damage. it's well designed enough that it doesn't feel arbitrary
@@Tomorrow64like what the guy said above, they are just meme-ing around with Minos Prime's voiceline, did you missed the reference because you never reach P-1 level before or what? Sigh
>Not being able to attack a coward with a shield that moves faster than a competitive scout in TF2 >"Peak gameplay mechanics" Doom Eternal may be s good game, but it was designed horribly
I renember when ULTRAKILL was just a DOOM: Eternal on a budget, but after the comunity got bigger it started developing what i call "new vegas syndrome". Trully hate fanboys.
seriously like your game is litterally jsut stolen from a doom mod that adds grapple and jetpack the coin thing isnt even theres they stole it from another game at the time that go killed by ultrakill fans whining about the "stolen" game idea
For fuck sake *YES!* Both games are different only things you can compare is both of them being an arena shooter there is 0 things you can compare otherwise.
btw only to counter argument the thumbnail, there is only 3 bosses that are like that, the gladiator, who only does this in one phase of his boss fight, the marauder, who gets vulnerable every two milliseconds, and the darklord, but you can hammer him, ALL the other boss fights, being the doom hunter, khan maykr, icon of sin, maligog and seraphim don’t have that, but just defending doom eternal, both games have goated boss fights💯🔥
I liked Doom Eternal a lot but the marauder was annoying and games journalists who boiled him down to being "too hard" really poisoned the well when it comes to criticizing the marauder. Not hard, challenging yes, but more importantly he was like a boss from a soulslike just entered my fucking retro shooter and his mechanics just don't gel well with the rest of the gameplay. It's not a bad thing for an enemy to shake things up and force you to play differently, but the marauder is too restrictive in how he forces you to play to his exact rules. He denies you any creativity in how you deal with him, you gotta stand in the right spot, do the right thing at the right time, all the while the actual retro shooter enemies are trying to make me play a retro shooter while this dude is trying to make me play Dark Souls. It isn't even about just "git gud" he is just too far removed mechanically from every other demon in the game that he fucks with your head when he shows up even if you can deal with him easily and it just becomes a chore to halt the entire fight just to kill him. I like soulslikes, just not in my retro shooters. When I was like 5 I realised I liked mars bars, and I also liked sprite, so I had the genius idea to dissolve a mars bar in my sprite cause surely two great things would be even better together. I learned a good lesson for the cost of one mars bar and one bottle of sprite. Doom Eternal is still a great game though, it's one of the best shooters of the last decade and stands toe to toe with Dusk imo for just how absolutely hard it goes. I wouldn't even completely remove the marauder, just change some things about some of the encounters he shows up in or provide a second option for damaging him so he doesn't completely force me out of one game and into another.
DOOM Eternal is more for mass appeal, it's part of a massive franchise with its own story and historical affects (the first DooM game being from 1993). ULTRAKILL however, is an indie game from 2020. It was made for the fun of it. Both are good, both can be bad, it's all subjective.
has someone who has 0 money to buy ultrakill and the only doom games that i played are the originals i can say that i love ultrakill bosses and their voices
I kinda hate how the marauder was marketed as your rival and rurned out to be a skill check, destroying newer players and getting stunlocked by experienced ones. The only similarities are the shotgun and the looks. Meanwhile v2 is ltteraly you. The prime bosses are just as if not more mible than you and extremely agressive.
To everyone stoking the fires of this lame and pointless rivalry - stop it. Get some help. Resolve whatever issues make you feel like you can only enjoy something by bringing down something else.
I see people shitting over which game is better between Doom, Ultrakill, Quake, and other fast paced shooters, so let me add another name to that list of games that people like to shit about... Hm... How about Killing Floor (2)?
Ive played both and i must say that Ultrakill is definitely more fun, but doom is really fun in its own way, they play differently and theyre both fun in their own way
Both games are awesome. I just wish my ultrakill friends knew other new blood games exist. They each put like 300 hours+ into a 12 hour game and I say "Yeah it's pretty cool. What did you think of Dusk?" And they have no idea what I'm talking about.
I'm pretty sure that the person saying Doom Eternal is peak game design is being sarcastic and saying Doom Eternal is bad. The otther Ultrakill fans are sick of the Doom Eternal vs Ultrakill debate which is why they are quoting Minos.
The thumbnail is hilarious. The standards for FPS game boss fights is so astronomically low we legitimately thought Doom Eternals bosses were anything to write home about
The newest Doom games are more for multiple people trying to not push to a high stress level Ultrakill is just pain and suffering, the entire game constantly spits to us "YOU INSIGNIFICANT FUCK" everytime we dont reach P-Rank
i suck at boomer shooters and ultrakill wasn't particularly painful to get through. p2 was the only level i'd say got even a little unfun. the fun thing about p-ranking is that the game doesn't even expect you to do it.
aside from the prime bosses requiring a p-rank to access the game never actually bitches at you that you didnt get a p-rank, pretty sure the entire poink of the rank system is so you can play how you want and experiment naturally
That's entirely your own fault for self-imposing such high expectations, the only thing P-Ranks are needed for are to access the secret bosses that act as some of the most difficult challenges in the game.
Doom Eternal: Marauders alone: Fully block progression unless the Player plays as the devs intended against them, or use SPECIFIC COMBOS to stunlock Marauders to do an Onechain combo to kill them. Make even the most powerful and ammo scarce weapon in Player's arsenal as nothing but a very pricey Bait/distraction to get the easy kill on marauder. Basically punish player not playing as designed or permited by devs. Many DLC enemies were literally just shoehorned into the Gameplay loop of the DLC missions to force use of specific things, especially Wraiths that DEMAND the most HATED weapon mod in the whole game, the Plasma Rifle's Microwave beam mod, again, blocking any further progression unless the player does what devs DEMAND player do to beat X enemy. Stone imps demanding charging that hammer special. Final boss demanding chargin the same attack to open him to a salvo of scratch damage. Ultrakill. Decided to play fists only? Sure, go ahead, no P rank, but damn us if we try hinder your fun slapping all enemies to chunky red salsa. Wanna try the Mayo% run? No problems. Want to challenge run a RL minefield kill only run (Use Blue RL alt fire, bait or whiplash enemies into the frozen rockets)? Sup, no problems. P rank? Go ahead champ, try as much you need. Big enemy that has a huge ass shield that blocks attacks from the front? It can be broken, it also isn't perfectly able to block ALL types of attacks, and it will still die instantly to Maurice dropping on it. Annoying RL tanky Big enemy? Use their own rockets on them, OHK in no time. Unable to beat Boss? The enemies are all AI, you are human, just learn. Whereas Doom Eternal seems INTENT on forcing specific ways to deal with threats and will ounish players HARD if they don't do it. Ultrakill doesn't give a shit if you are playing in the silliest way possible, and never getting the P rank, but everything in the game is open for experimentation and will both reward and punish for finding things that can work or are just self harm stupidity incarnate respectively.
@@andrehashimoto8056 I very much disagree. I haven't played ultra kill but I have played doom eternal. I play the way that I want to play and I've never actually paid attention to the optimum strategies for most efficient demon killing- and I still have so much fun, and still do pretty well. Obviously its easier if you learn the game mechanics/efficiency Strats, but its funner if you do it your way. Maybe its harder to be creative, but it also requires you to hone your own craft and have fun while doing so. Your comment is stupid, basically.
this is cod battlefield all over agian 2 very diffrent games being compared only by their few similarities in mechanics despite very diffrent exiocutions and styles
And once again, over a single, simple, and problably a joke comment, the ultrakill fandom is in flames. Oh WHAT? You said that DOOM ETERNAL was good??????? *proceeds to 300 comments about how flipping a coin and shooting it is peak gameplay
Basically another argument that doom eternal fans always make, saying doom is better despite not being better. In reality, both games are completely and utterly different. Doom has resource management and (pretty boring) bosses with a specific thing you have to do in order to beat them. Ultrakill has style management, health management, stamina management and bosses that will rock your shit.
As someone who has played both games a shit ton I would say ultrakill is better in almost every way. But Doom eternal is a great game its fantastic for a AAA title too but ultrakill combat is unbelievably refined the game isnt even done yet but feels more polished than doom eternal ever did.
Doom is a story game like COD&HALO, but already exist 30 years ago, not just a random shit spawn in steam like ultrakill but both are good for me, both are bullshit 1 with graphic and 1 extra bullshit.
Since the moment i try to rocket surf earthmover and did allow me to, i just went fully surf on that mf, i wasnt a treath until i get tired of surf and for mistake lobotomise him
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Before you comment saying "oohhh nooo elitist gamers ruining the fun for everyone" just know that they were just quoting some fucking voicelines. Y'all need to chill
CREATURE OF STEEL
@@Filipokerface My gratitude upon thee for my freedom.
@@bomba25j but the crime thy kind have committed against humanity are NOT forgotten
As someone who never played either of these games. This comment section is cancer.
@@Duckwithblueandredhat shush
Okay, but can we all agree that the voice of Minos Prime (Stephan Weyte) did a phenomenal job? Ultrakill fans will never hear the word 'JUDGEMENT' the same way ever again thanks to him.
Stephan Weyte is the GOAT.
The Weyte of The World
@@dogachanunsaldk9115 The world looks Weyte
I still have PTSD from the words « CRUSH! » « DIE! » and « JUDGEMENT! »
@@Minced_Prime-J4dgm3nt the weyte looks red
y'all arguing over shooters even though we all know sex with hitler 2 is the definitive shooter game.
wheres sex with hitler 3
I have learned 2 things today that i regret learning
1 there is a game called sex with hitler 2
2 there are 2 parts to it
@@rajenredona4346wtf is real, i need to play that shit
@@rajenredona4346 only 2? How naive
Ya know i found a steam account that had like 12k hours in sex with hitler once
"War Without Reason"
why cant we just achieve peace and admit that both games are gud
One fucked over its composer
@@singularitytr1550 who cares
@@singularitytr1550one man, part of one company, that made the game, fucked over its composer. And the legal team.
Elitist gatekeepers are what keep people from liking everything. It gives them a feeling of purpose, but alas, it's a terrible use of it.
@@Homerboy44alas? like spanish wings?
People have to keep in mind Doom Eternal is a game designed with mass appeal in mind which is why the bosses are generally much simpler and straight forward than ultrakill, I generally prefer Ultrakill because it lacks the ammo systems and marauder that make doom feel convoluted imo but both games are extremely fun
@@AmelpsXett fr people who still complain about the ammo system and the marauder in Eternal are retarded af
Play doom eternal first and then come read your comment again
@@AmelpsXett yes, it doesn't have a ammo system. Hakita (the main dev of Ultrakill) said that adding an ammo system wouldn't make the fun combos and mechanics possible.
@@ozgurfratboz6770 played doom eternal before ultrakill.
Ultrakill offers more freedom, making it superior in the movement and combo department. But if you're referring to the simplicity of the bosses, well yeah, ultrakill is simpler.
This boss does this (announces the movement before attacking), you dodge it like this or parry it, downtime where you attack. But it makes it more fun than doom eternal tho.
@@melaniebrown6373the comment might be a reference to Under the mayo 👍
ULTRAKILL players when they see somebody enjoying a similar game:
(TF2 and minecraft players will be proud)
ultramid autists cower in fear of quake boomerGODS
to be fair 🤓...
TF2 tribalism it's in a different league. qwp
@@HunterBolt8 to be even more fair, overfort war started mostly because of blizzard's dirty "we are the better game" promotional campaing
@@ImJustNes I didn't have to mention Overwatch ewe
But Yeah I guess Blizzard devs openly saying: "Most of us played TF2, we really like it" was an evident death sentence and totally not an overeaction of the TF2 Community o_o
@@HunterBolt8 thats... kinda a mask to all the situation, and i can see it do works well, yes, Blizzard talked very well of TF2, while on the other face of the coin they payed some... Very specific youtubers, with the objective of making communities which were into TF2 in the past believe it was the future of the hero shooter industry and any other game of the genre would soon-to-be obsolete.
Anyhow, this does turn this... "discussion" into something with zero relation to the Doom-Ultrakill situation, in which i agree its completely useless and unnecessary
*War Without Reason*
Insane title drop
Oh no. Oh no, no NO. This is the time. Two fandoms are trying to prove at all costs that their game is the "top". It happened with tf2 and overwatch, minecraft and terraria, and now it's happening between doom and ultrakill. We cannot allow this, I do not agree to it.
Dusk better.
No
Faith is
@@HansVinlin Gloomwood is "peak"
GLOOMWOOOOOOD
Damnit now we have 4 competent titles competing for what
@@meem61545
"So concludes the life and time of king sisyphus"
" a fitting end, to an existence defined by pointless internet arguments "
"Doomed from the very start"
_"And i dont regret a second of it."_
TMW you realize the game with the funny blood robot has a narrative inspired by modern existential philosophies of nihilism, existentialism, and absurdism.
dear lord this game is hitting the reddit pipeline
This was one thread my guy (also, Doom fans aren't exactly innocent of this either, not that that makes this much better...).
ultrakills loud part of the community already sucks so it makes sense
@@blehh_mae the loud part of any community sucks, tbf
@@nosh62 While true, ULTRAKILL's community is especially bad. I love the game, but I'd rather never have to interact with its community at all.
Doesn't help that half of ULTRAKILL's fans never touched the game to begin with
@@silverhand9965 I'm not into the community, so why is that?
Also, _please_ don't tell me half the community only watched Max0r's videos or some shit like that 💀
The types of mechanics depend on what you want. If you want blood, violence, and absolute carnage to such a degree it gives Mortal Kombat a run for its gore, then yes, DOOM Eternal is peak gaming mechanics. ULTRAKILL may be violent, but you can't rip a demon's arm off and beat him to death with it (even though V1 absolutely would do that if necessary). If you want extremely unnecessary but really cool and flashy movement with a shooter centered around being incredibly fast and absolutely styling on the enemy, then yes, ULTRAKILL is better. You can do weapon combos in DOOM, but I have yet to see Doomguy fire a railgun off of four nickels into someone's skull 90 degrees to the right of where they shot the first coin.
Dunno, i'm pretty sure "punching a bullet not only faster than a shotgun firing it, but also so fast that it just straight up eviscerates the poor soul in front of it who barely did anything do you" is pretty violent and bloody
@@the_parasites It's bloody, but not DOOM levels of graphic. You can straight up saw demons in half in DOOM. In full detail. You can take a leg of an Arachnotron and jam its own leg in one of its eyes. You can take the eye out of a demon and shove it into said demon's mouth. ULTRAKILL is nowhere near on the level of DOOM's violence.
ok here's the way I see it
First Person Shooters have two main elements they require from you, skill and strategy
You have to have the skill to execute very precise movements and perform elaborate feats, but also the strategy to adapt to new situations and roll with your mistakes
Ultrakill emphasizes the skill over the strategy, meaning you're put into short bursts of precision where any small mistake can end the life, but you're given a chance to immediately retry
Doom Eternal is much more about strategy with its long encounters where you're encouraged to make more mistakes but you have more leeway when it comes to recovering. Mechanics are also much less precise and you're given more time to think in general.
They're the peak of each respective end of that spectrum of shooters, and they still both require an insane amount of skill and strategy to beat. It's not that one is better than the other, it's just that they're both trying to accomplish different things
This Prison...
To hold...
ME?...
You Can't Escape.
BE GONE.
Destroy!
This will hurt.
NICE TRY!
Keep em comin!
An Appetizer
Okay but I still want Hugo Martin to be my dad and Hakita to be my cool older brother can we still make that happen
Eternal fans when a game allows for multiple playstyles and doesn't force you into a 'fun zone' a.k.a if enemy does [action x], then do [action y]
What is the point of the game having multiple playstyles and "freedom" if the fanbase is going to hunt you down for playing with only one or two weapons as your playstyle? I guess you only have the freedom to play the playstyles the fanbase wants you to, rather than the game.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 Okay?? Don't listen to the fanbase then? Seems like a non-issue to me.
The game even keeps your weapon freshness bonus at max if you only have one weapon equipped, so the devs are clearly cool with people playing the game that way.
@@chrystales6169 Correct. That is exactly why I am here, not listening to the fanbase, and/or criticizing them for being hypocritical and nonsensical. And by 'fanbase', I only refer to the toxic fanboys. Your average Ultrakill fan is not toxic.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 I'm sorry, I genuinely can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. Why bother making your first reply if you don't 'listen' to the fanbase in the first place? If you were making a point about content creators getting harassed/backseated, then yes, that is an issue. But to be clear, at no point have I have ever defended the fandoms of any game. I only speak for their actual quality as standalone games.
yes, that’s it. statements like the title are the root of the fandom wars and probably where to cure this silliness.
maybe we should have people stop bloody overrating the games they love. imo it’s both super naive and disingenuous of other’s feelings. i just don’t get this damn absolute mindset.
for instance yes, i find doom: eternal fun, but calling it peak mechanics feels like calling a school crush the love of your life. sounds ridiculous ngl. same for ultrakill even if i really prefer its design philosophy over eternal’s.
now i’ll still put a "maybe" since it’s not the only responsible. just like we love to overrate stuff to eye rolling lengths, we love to show disapproval in the most distasteful fashion. conflict requires at least two people, and thus at least two assholes.
Well said!
what a beautiful comment
So instead of getting rid of the hate trains that come with fandoms, you think it'd be better if such fandoms just didn't enjoy their stuff as much?
I feel like overrating something is significantly less terrible than underrating something. Almost a non-problem if you ask me.
I would argue the root cause of all this was Under the Mayo's pisspoor take on ultrakill. He criticized it completely in bad faith and those who believe him took one side while those who called him out took the other.
@@FriedNoodlee but do people really need to call their fav game the best thing since sliced bread to enjoy it more?
i really don't. i feel best when what i say about the games i love remains modest or level-headed.
i'd put the blame on extreme feelings, not just hate. when people "love their game too much", they also shove it in other's face or even get easily offended. makes me as uncomfortable as hate. and from what i have seen, many "haters" are just people who can't bear with this energy and vent it by being extreme themselves.
i don't want to say that people should be cold about it because -i would then not feel special anymore- the world would sound frighteningly different that way. however if people don't want wars, they could chill a little and moderate their takes for starters.
i wonder what a platformer inspired by dmc would be like considering ultrakill is an fps with a style meter.
maybe rewarding powerups for high points
Dishwasher dead samurai is almost a platformer
Once again, elitist gamers show gatekeeping as a pathetic feeling of purpose.
not really they just quoted voicelines
Thy end is now
@@ayuballena8217 They quoted voice lines from a completely different game, insinuating that Ultrakill is somehow better than Doom Eternal.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 insinuating? that’s your perception, it’s more likely that they do it for the memes
@@ayuballena8217 So it is a meme to bring up Ultrakill when someone is trying to talk about an unrelated game they like a lot? It is very obvious what they were trying to do.
I didnt even know the Ultrakill community was toxic or anything just thought they were gay or something tbh
They're not lol. They were just quoting voicelines from the game
your face when you realize that earthmover is a boss that makes you do arbitrary mechanics before you're allowed to hurt it
to be fair that works, because in practice that's a level with a bossbar at the top, and the "arbitrary mechanics" are climbing the damn boss to get to the bit you can actually damage. it's well designed enough that it doesn't feel arbitrary
@@energeticcreeper7969 >to be fair that works, because in practice th-ACK!!
@@ligma6992 wow, it's crazy how people like you still exist in the wild. take your own advice dude, your lot fell out of fashion six years ago
To be fair that works because it's not a returning enemy
@@ligma6992balls
How to make the Ultrakill fandom look bad.
(You don't need to, they do it themselves.)
It's so annoying how my favorite game materialized one of the most annoying and cancerous communities.
@@FriedNoodlee It sucks. Happens a lot to many fandoms.
They just quoted voicelines bro chill.
@@Tomorrow64like what the guy said above, they are just meme-ing around with Minos Prime's voiceline, did you missed the reference because you never reach P-1 level before or what? Sigh
Look bad? But it is bad...
>Not being able to attack a coward with a shield that moves faster than a competitive scout in TF2
>"Peak gameplay mechanics"
Doom Eternal may be s good game, but it was designed horribly
Friend said judgement in real life and I automatically tried to push the 'f' key.
i love both so much. I like the combat slightly more in Doom eternal, but the bosses are way better in Ultrakill. IMO
PREPARE THYSELF!
JUDGMENT!
@@qdshuck THY END IS NOW!
@@ArthurZ._. CRUSH!
Coin coin
@@yardenar2717 AUGH
I renember when ULTRAKILL was just a DOOM: Eternal on a budget, but after the comunity got bigger it started developing what i call "new vegas syndrome".
Trully hate fanboys.
seriously like your game is litterally jsut stolen from a doom mod that adds grapple and jetpack the coin thing isnt even theres they stole it from another game at the time that go killed by ultrakill fans whining about the "stolen" game idea
@@thecoolestofthe834s2what is blud yapping about
@@thecoolestofthe834s2Can't even name the game the concept was apparently "stolen from", can you?
@@thecoolestofthe834s2that's a nice argument senator, why don't you back it up with a source?
@@thecoolestofthe834s2 bait used to be good
can we stop comparing doom and ultrakill?
For fuck sake *YES!* Both games are different only things you can compare is both of them being an arena shooter there is 0 things you can compare otherwise.
literally minecraft and terraria
@@UrielDrippernuh uh
@@Afungus yuh huh
No
Get judged lmao
btw only to counter argument the thumbnail, there is only 3 bosses that are like that, the gladiator, who only does this in one phase of his boss fight, the marauder, who gets vulnerable every two milliseconds, and the darklord, but you can hammer him, ALL the other boss fights, being the doom hunter, khan maykr, icon of sin, maligog and seraphim don’t have that, but just defending doom eternal, both games have goated boss fights💯🔥
I liked Doom Eternal a lot but the marauder was annoying and games journalists who boiled him down to being "too hard" really poisoned the well when it comes to criticizing the marauder. Not hard, challenging yes, but more importantly he was like a boss from a soulslike just entered my fucking retro shooter and his mechanics just don't gel well with the rest of the gameplay. It's not a bad thing for an enemy to shake things up and force you to play differently, but the marauder is too restrictive in how he forces you to play to his exact rules. He denies you any creativity in how you deal with him, you gotta stand in the right spot, do the right thing at the right time, all the while the actual retro shooter enemies are trying to make me play a retro shooter while this dude is trying to make me play Dark Souls. It isn't even about just "git gud" he is just too far removed mechanically from every other demon in the game that he fucks with your head when he shows up even if you can deal with him easily and it just becomes a chore to halt the entire fight just to kill him.
I like soulslikes, just not in my retro shooters. When I was like 5 I realised I liked mars bars, and I also liked sprite, so I had the genius idea to dissolve a mars bar in my sprite cause surely two great things would be even better together. I learned a good lesson for the cost of one mars bar and one bottle of sprite.
Doom Eternal is still a great game though, it's one of the best shooters of the last decade and stands toe to toe with Dusk imo for just how absolutely hard it goes. I wouldn't even completely remove the marauder, just change some things about some of the encounters he shows up in or provide a second option for damaging him so he doesn't completely force me out of one game and into another.
An encounter with an angel, turrets and a marauder just burned me out of Eternal completely
Why
KEEP 'EM COMING!
Both of these games made me feel good I love them so much
look all those doom fanboys pretending their community is not annoying
DOOM Eternal is more for mass appeal, it's part of a massive franchise with its own story and historical affects (the first DooM game being from 1993).
ULTRAKILL however, is an indie game from 2020. It was made for the fun of it.
Both are good, both can be bad, it's all subjective.
has someone who has 0 money to buy ultrakill and the only doom games that i played are the originals i can say that i love ultrakill bosses and their voices
Yall know what song in 0:02,? i dont play ultrakill
Order
@@jerris_333 ty bro
Destiny bosses do that bs where you have to wait and do an arbitrary thing too
We love health gates! Definitely!
I kinda hate how the marauder was marketed as your rival and rurned out to be a skill check, destroying newer players and getting stunlocked by experienced ones. The only similarities are the shotgun and the looks.
Meanwhile v2 is ltteraly you. The prime bosses are just as if not more mible than you and extremely agressive.
everytime i listen to minos's theme I imagine him and V1 fighting with the state of the art choreography
To everyone stoking the fires of this lame and pointless rivalry - stop it. Get some help. Resolve whatever issues make you feel like you can only enjoy something by bringing down something else.
shows how stupid ultrakill fandom is
@@grass324 I see you wanna keep it going
"BE GONE"
"THIS WILL HURT"
DOOM excels in arena fights, ultrakill excels in boss fights.
Doom has much better enemies then UK imo but on the flip side yeah UK bosses are way better
I see people shitting over which game is better between Doom, Ultrakill, Quake, and other fast paced shooters, so let me add another name to that list of games that people like to shit about... Hm... How about Killing Floor (2)?
Ive played both and i must say that Ultrakill is definitely more fun, but doom is really fun in its own way, they play differently and theyre both fun in their own way
Machine.
Turn back now
The layers of this palace are not for your kind
The Souls Bourne games should have an easy medium and hard difficulty option!
Gabriel (virgin), mios and sissypuss are the best bosses of all videogames ever created.
Both games are awesome. I just wish my ultrakill friends knew other new blood games exist. They each put like 300 hours+ into a 12 hour game and I say "Yeah it's pretty cool. What did you think of Dusk?" And they have no idea what I'm talking about.
I'm pretty sure that the person saying Doom Eternal is peak game design is being sarcastic and saying Doom Eternal is bad. The otther Ultrakill fans are sick of the Doom Eternal vs Ultrakill debate which is why they are quoting Minos.
He's a star of this show now, baby!
The thumbnail is hilarious. The standards for FPS game boss fights is so astronomically low we legitimately thought Doom Eternals bosses were anything to write home about
The Earthmover:
"AUGH" I cried violently for 3 hours
Doom is for people who want to kill fuck ton of demons with the most efficiency.
Ultrakill is for people who want to do that *but with ✨✨style✨✨*
Doom=Fps Ninja Gaiden
Ultrakill=Fps Devil May Cry
War Without a Reason
this prison, to hold *me?*
providence from risk of rain and minos prime from ultrakill genuinely sound like they'd be best friends or somethin
Commenter got +strongled
The newest Doom games are more for multiple people trying to not push to a high stress level
Ultrakill is just pain and suffering, the entire game constantly spits to us "YOU INSIGNIFICANT FUCK" everytime we dont reach P-Rank
i suck at boomer shooters and ultrakill wasn't particularly painful to get through. p2 was the only level i'd say got even a little unfun. the fun thing about p-ranking is that the game doesn't even expect you to do it.
aside from the prime bosses requiring a p-rank to access the game never actually bitches at you that you didnt get a p-rank, pretty sure the entire poink of the rank system is so you can play how you want and experiment naturally
That's entirely your own fault for self-imposing such high expectations, the only thing P-Ranks are needed for are to access the secret bosses that act as some of the most difficult challenges in the game.
Doom Eternal:
Marauders alone:
Fully block progression unless the Player plays as the devs intended against them, or use SPECIFIC COMBOS to stunlock Marauders to do an Onechain combo to kill them.
Make even the most powerful and ammo scarce weapon in Player's arsenal as nothing but a very pricey Bait/distraction to get the easy kill on marauder.
Basically punish player not playing as designed or permited by devs.
Many DLC enemies were literally just shoehorned into the Gameplay loop of the DLC missions to force use of specific things, especially Wraiths that DEMAND the most HATED weapon mod in the whole game, the Plasma Rifle's Microwave beam mod, again, blocking any further progression unless the player does what devs DEMAND player do to beat X enemy.
Stone imps demanding charging that hammer special.
Final boss demanding chargin the same attack to open him to a salvo of scratch damage.
Ultrakill.
Decided to play fists only? Sure, go ahead, no P rank, but damn us if we try hinder your fun slapping all enemies to chunky red salsa.
Wanna try the Mayo% run? No problems.
Want to challenge run a RL minefield kill only run (Use Blue RL alt fire, bait or whiplash enemies into the frozen rockets)? Sup, no problems.
P rank? Go ahead champ, try as much you need.
Big enemy that has a huge ass shield that blocks attacks from the front? It can be broken, it also isn't perfectly able to block ALL types of attacks, and it will still die instantly to Maurice dropping on it.
Annoying RL tanky Big enemy? Use their own rockets on them, OHK in no time.
Unable to beat Boss? The enemies are all AI, you are human, just learn.
Whereas Doom Eternal seems INTENT on forcing specific ways to deal with threats and will ounish players HARD if they don't do it. Ultrakill doesn't give a shit if you are playing in the silliest way possible, and never getting the P rank, but everything in the game is open for experimentation and will both reward and punish for finding things that can work or are just self harm stupidity incarnate respectively.
@@andrehashimoto8056 I very much disagree. I haven't played ultra kill but I have played doom eternal. I play the way that I want to play and I've never actually paid attention to the optimum strategies for most efficient demon killing- and I still have so much fun, and still do pretty well.
Obviously its easier if you learn the game mechanics/efficiency Strats, but its funner if you do it your way. Maybe its harder to be creative, but it also requires you to hone your own craft and have fun while doing so.
Your comment is stupid, basically.
I played Ultrakill so much that when I went back to DOOM Eternal, it felt slow. Although that might’ve just been bc a) I’m rusty and b) I’m on console
guys i don't think one reddit thread proves that the ultrakill fandom is terrible times a thousand. every fandom sucks on reddit.
DOOM 2 is far superior.
Brutal Doom: hi daddy, bend over.
based doom 2 enjoyer
"woah, cool fast-paced game. can't wait to see what I can do!"
*limited ammo*
"why"
Holy shit the immediate “DIE!” Got me 😂😂
Why cant we say both games are good
I wonder what the original post was for the man to get ratioed like this.
Clearly this guy consumes nothing but Mayo and Soylent
this is cod battlefield all over agian
2 very diffrent games being compared only by their few similarities in mechanics despite very diffrent exiocutions and styles
Why do people even argue about this shit its such a dumb argument
Me, who doesn't play either game:
"What the hell they doin over there?"
Both? Both. Both. Both. Both is good!
UFH!
AEEAGH!
This prison to hold ME?
Nah, HyperDemon is where it’s at 😎
Robotnik mean bean machine is better than both
Gamer squabbles aside, I love both of these games to death.
And once again, over a single, simple, and problably a joke comment, the ultrakill fandom is in flames.
Oh WHAT? You said that DOOM ETERNAL was good??????? *proceeds to 300 comments about how flipping a coin and shooting it is peak gameplay
Did you see the context of this post ? People are making fun of him for disrespecting Doom Eternal.
I don't see your point here, im doing the same@@januszpolak254
I mean doom is pretty bad compared to ultrakill
thats not the point, and i dont remember asking which was better@@Afungus
thats his opinon tho and he dosnt need your permission to say it@@niturius17272
WEAK
FOOLISHNESS MACHINE, FOOLISHNESS
doom eternal is supposed to be "realistic". probably. maybe. (WHO THE FUCK EVEN ATTACKS SOMEONE WHEN THEY SAY SO????)
Was waiting for "YOURE BLACK!" as insult but it never came
they forgot wEAK and USELESS why did they skip to augh
I love Doom Eternal but some of the bosses aren't great lol. Icon of Sin is peak because you can attack it at literally any time with any weapon.
True
Definitely better then gladiator
Also try DOOM ETERNAL!
Also try ULTRAKILL!
That moment when an ultrakill fan Haven't even tried a single doom game 🤡🤡🤡
That moment when Doom fans can barely write a single fucking sentence correctly and only know to use emojis to protect their shit asses.
fair argument but unfortunately you have an anime pfp so your opinion doesnt count
Ultrakill fans when someone likes a different game:
average internet user when someone makes a joke they dont think is funny:
Both games are good, why a war for this?
No bloody reason
0:01 imagine having -64 😂
I want to play ultrakill but I only have an Xbox😭😭😭
AUGH
what thread was this from please i need to know i wanna see the hilarity that ensued 💀
what's the context for allat?
Someone said "Once again Doom Eternal shows peak gaming mechanics" and Minos came straight outta hell to beat the poor man's ass
@@HansVinlin but why did he say that?
@@oyoplayer Because he likes Doom ig. If ur talking abt the Ultrakill players, then idk really lol
@@HansVinlinwhat post was it on
Basically another argument that doom eternal fans always make, saying doom is better despite not being better. In reality, both games are completely and utterly different.
Doom has resource management and (pretty boring) bosses with a specific thing you have to do in order to beat them. Ultrakill has style management, health management, stamina management and bosses that will rock your shit.
As someone who has played both games a shit ton I would say ultrakill is better in almost every way.
But Doom eternal is a great game its fantastic for a AAA title too but ultrakill combat is unbelievably refined the game isnt even done yet but feels more polished than doom eternal ever did.
64 downvotes
Pinos strikes again
Idk man I think I like Quake better.
turbo overkill better
I would want to know where the original argument is from
Anyone got a link or something to the reddit page?
Doom is a story game like COD&HALO, but already exist 30 years ago, not just a random shit spawn in steam like ultrakill
but both are good for me, both are bullshit 1 with graphic and 1 extra bullshit.
WEEK!
Since the moment i try to rocket surf earthmover and did allow me to, i just went fully surf on that mf, i wasnt a treath until i get tired of surf and for mistake lobotomise him