The Palou Ganassi Drama Explained
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- A very very weird story emerged last night as two Indycar teams claim to have signed Alex Palou for the 2023 season. Here is how it all unfolded...
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I feel like it's really crucial that they never mentioned "Arrow McLaren SP" anywhere in the press release. Instead using "McLaren Racing". This would indicate that they are keeping their options open in regards to where he will go.
They also announced on their F1 page. So it's pointing at them
Ganassi: Our deal with Palou is *_watertight_*
The Motorsports world: And the Titanic was *_unsinkable_*
I usually love your videos(the content is pure gold), but the visual effect you put over tweets is really hard to watch and doesn't bring anything to the video. It's just irritaning. Could you please not use it in future videos?
Thanks for the feedback, was just trying something out there, will look into improving it or removing it from now onwards
I feel the same but I would say just too remove it from important parts of the videos, such as, reading tweets, cause the effect in itself is very relatable with your channel, if I was watching a video of yours without sound I would knem it's yours.
I think it’s stellar. If listening to him read it & one isn’t able to read it swiftly enough also, there is the option to pause.
Same, just severely distracting. For an otherwise great video
@@FP1Will I think it’s fine. I like the retro feel. You’re reading the information anyway so if you like it keep it! 😁
So this is basically turning into a spiritual succeser to the contract saga between BAR and Williams for Jenson Button back in 2004.
Danny Ric says he wants to renew with McLaren, he said so in his socials, however, with his lacking results, McLaren might be willing to try and convince him to leave the F1 team (even for only a year) and put another driver in his place (which could be Palou)
He has a contract for 2023. All I remember is him saying he will stay until 2023
@@sc_e1582 that only means one more year of pain
Mclaren has also said it’s up to him
@@sc_e1582 staying on contract doesn't necessarily mean he will be driving
@Lucas Paris - I saw that from Daniel, too. But my interpretation is that since he didn't specifically say "driving for McLaren in 2023", he can stay on in another capacity. I think he loves the team and can be an advisor. I do think in the end, Alex Palou will drive for McLaren F1 in '23.
Welp. History is repeating itself as Oscar Piastri is in a similar situation with Alpine right now.
What a mess…
Ganassi handled this like a crazy ex gf that refuses to let you go🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Wow wow wow I heard about him going to Maclaren but I didn't hear anything about the Chip ganassi news what kind of cluster fuck of a situation is this
YESS more Indycar content thank you, lovely video, also notice how on Instagram the Palou mclaren signing is different to Rossi's , with rossi's statement clearly saying: arrows mclaren SP and Palou's only : Mclaren Racing and "Driver roster". i think mclaren are still debating what to do with Daniel Herta en Palou. I hope mclaren gives Palou at least a f1 test so they can compare times with herta and daniel. i think he deserves an f1 test as indy champion.
btw does Palou have enough licent points by winning the indycar championship? i believed you get 40 when you win. that should be enough right?
Palou has got the points! And has an f1 test scheduled I believe
IF Ganassi has a water tight deal, then as childish as this all sounds, they really don’t need Palou’s approval for anything. Ganassi holds ALL of the cards. Period. However, water tight deal or not, IF Zak Brown has enough money, Palou will be at McLaren next year. If he does not, or wishes not to spend it, Palou will be at Ganassi (or somewhere) looking like a fool.
Thanks for the Indycar Coverage!!Just getting in to F1 so I will subscribe to the channel and loved the video with predictions for McLaren next year. Crazy!!
Thanks man! Welcome aboard!
I'm guessing this was more Palou than Gannasi's fault.
Here after Alpine fucking up lmao
I think one things for sure its going to be a very long season for Palou at Ganassi racing
I Follow indycar quite a bit and rosenqvist going to Formula E is basically confirmed and Arrow McLaren is looking to expand to a permanent 3 car team so the lineup seems to be Oward Rossi and Palou (absolutely stacked btw)
What i read in an article (by no means infallible) was that CGR picked up the team option that was written into the contract, if that is the case then Palau will need to go to court to race for McLaren next year
Not if McLaren signed him for F1. I find that dubious but I would bet there is an out in his contract for an F1 ride. Remember that press release said nothing about Arrow McLaren SP. Plus I don't see why Palou would leave a championship and 500 winning team to go to a barely able to scrape up an occasional win team like Arrow McLaren.
@@wingracer1614 he may well have an out clause but that is not the same as a team option
@@xr8dmoose135 Where did I say it was? If he signed for F1, an out clause gets him out of the contract, option or not
@@wingracer1614 no it does not. If you sign a contract with an option agreed to by both parties and signed by both parties then that contract and option stands. If you are employed by an employer, you cannot just sign another contract with another employer because the job title changes. Alex Palou could have left to to be a professional soccer player, but he would have a contractual obligation to his current employer who has a legal right to retain the services of Alex Palou as an employee and race car driver. The fact is, Alex Palou and his management team have tried to play both sides and handled it poorly. If Alex Palou wanted to leave CGR to take up another employment offer, then he would have had a cut off period to inform his current employer of looking elsewhere for employment. If Alex Palou and his management team had followed that process, mediation and negotiations would have taken place to buy out that option and compensation for the remaining terms of the employment contract. Chip Ganassi seems to have not been told officially that Alex Palou was looking elsewhere and it seems McLaren have been left in the dark around Alex Palou and his current contractual obligations to CGR. The statement made by Alex Palou doesn't make sense and looks like it's a knee jerk reaction to being found out as not being honest and acting in bad faith with his current employer and another interested party. The fact McLaren haven't released additional statements to support Alex Palou signing is damning for Alex Palou and his management team. McLaren are rightly staying clear of this situation, as its clearly an employment issue between CGR as the employer and Alex Palou the employee. Alex Palou and his management team created this problem and have no one else to blame..This situation is a classic case of someone not being honest and upfront with both CGR and McLaren in relation to their current employment situation. I would not be surprised if McLaren take legal action against Alex Palou and his management team or tear up the agreement they claim to have with Alex Palou. There is one thing you do not do during employment negotiations. Thats act in bad faith that places all parties at risk and open to liability. let alone the embarrassment of having these issues handled openly in public. Both McLaren and CGR don't handle their business affairs in that manner..
@@wingracer1614 you just sound a bit thick now mate, any team option would NOT have an out clause built in as that defeats the purpose of it completely
It's up to Ricciardo if he wants to stay at McLaren not to other way around and like he said recently he's staying until his contract expires in 2023
I kinda want them to swap Ricciardo and Palou from their f1 and indy teams... both drivers would be exciting in the other respective series.
Everyone to formula E just to annoy Will. Fuck it, give him a drive in FE to serve him right for Hass Watch.
Ganassi just exercised their option in Palou’s current contract for the 2023 drive so that for him to move to another team, in this case Mclaren, the other team would have to pay out Ganassi for his contract or they keep Palou. Ganassi are just playing the contract game and win either the money from Palou’s contract or Palou for 2023, however, seeing that Mclaren and Zach Brown have cash to play with, I expect that they will pay out Palou’s contract.
I know you hate Formula E but I gotta say that the Sunday race in NYC was one of the most exciting racing events I've seen this year.
nice video, but the static-effect on top of the tweet I'm trying to read is somewhat annoying. keep it up tho
Thank you! Yea got a bit of that in the feedback, will adjust it in future
Palou is apparently not happy with Ericsson at CGR.
Ericsson seems to be on his way out and replace by VK until the 500 win. Now VK will likely replace Palou.
As Hannah Montana's dad said, "you can't ride two horses with one ass kid"
Nobody would switch from Indy to formula e on purpose.
It's not that straightforward with FE as we all might think
McLaren acquired the Mercedes EQ team so the prime candidates for the seats are Vandoorne and De Vries, who are also signed with McLaren roster and are available as test drivers for McLaren's F1 team.
Honestly if Palou doesn't stay in IndyCar, I don't see him going anywhere else.
Mclaren also said they will have an all-new Formula E lineup, meaning Stoffel and Nyck might not return
Any fellow Dutchy saw Paul de Leeuw in the thumbnail? I was like since when does he care about racing.
What is it with Ganassi and being associated with a complete clusterfuck of a situation every two years.
Ganassi isn’t the one who embarrassed themselves. That credit goes to Palou. Who… Chip Ganassi has the option to have in the #10 car for 2023, and who apparently has exercised it. If Palou signed with McLaren, he MAY have breeched his contract.
It may come down to just how MUCH Zac Brown wants to make the check out for to Chip Ganassi. If I were Chip, I’d send Alex Palou home for 2023. Pay him his contracted salary, and not allow him to either race or speak publicly about Chip Ganassi Racing. When you sign a contract, you are committed. You’re especially committed to NOT ‘sign’ a competing contract with another team. This is simple.
Ganassi absolutely embarrassed themselves by issuing a press release about Palou that he didn't approve and including a quote that he didn't give.
And contracts are not simple. In fact, contracts are quite complicated. A lot of this is going to come down to the specific wording of the contract, particularly the conditions of any extension. The fact that Palou, his management, and McLaren all believed that he was able to sign with McLaren indicates that if ganasi does have a legitimate competing claim for him, it is far from simple
@@valerierodger7700 Race teams issuing quotes from their driver, that aren’t actually ‘from their driver’ is one of the most common things teams do. I’m not defending that, because I think it’s sketchy as hell, but I can’t ignore that. Their PR staff do it constantly.
I never said that these contracts are simple. The ‘principle’ is simple. When you’re under contract with a team you cannot just go sign with another team. Contracts are all going to be different in that they’re tailored for the parties involved, but one thing that seems common among driver contracts is that for the contracted period (including any option periods either side may have) a driver can’t sign a deal with a competing team unless & until both sides agree to it. If Ganassi had communicated that the team would NOT exercise their option for ‘23, Palou would likely had been free to do this. But it seems Ganassi had not done that, and in fact it seems they did the opposite - meaning Palou would be contracted until whatever timeframe or circumstance the option covered had passed.
I can imagine all manner of reasons Palou might want to move to McLaren. All valid… the biggest being that he could end up in Formula 1. But unless Zac Brown wants to cut a VERY LARGE check to Ganassi Racing in order to squash this, I’m afraid that Palou may have killed that opportunity. Whether he was right in doing this or wrong, every team in motorsport took note, and when a driver gets labeled it’s permanent. He’s a very talented young man, who possibly made a decision that’s going to hound him.
I wouldn't be one bit surprised if, if it gets too bad, that Palou just tells Ganassi to sod off and walks.
It does not work like that. Either his clown like management coul try pay CGR to buy out his contract or CGR may keep him for the finall year, put someone else in the No 10 car and makes Palou sit at home doing nothing for 12 months.
Palou is teammate of Ericsson, right, cause they have a disagreenment on track a few races ago, and Palou didn't seem too amused with that, I don't know if that as anything to deal with the situation. 👀🤔
I don’t understand how that incident could be blamed on Marcus, for me it’s clearly a racing incident
That could have been apart of the situation, but I think something turned sour behind the curtains. I’ve always thought CGR management was a bit shady
I didn't really see the incident Lukas, I just saw the Palou interview after the incident and he said some pretty toxic stuff, like, if he race like that I also can race dirty, he was still very hot because that interview was right after the crash, it was at road America wasn't it?
@@calado92 If anyone were to blame for that crash and DNF it was Palou himself, and yeah that interview was right after it happened. Ericsson still also apologized to Palou after if I remember correctly, so would be surprised if that incident had much of a part in this situation.
I think it would be a huge win for Indy car if Daniel ricciardo gets a seat within the next year or two
im hearing rene rast and felix will be in formula e.
It's fucking happening again
Bwoah
The move makes no sense, it would be like Max deciding to leave Red Bull for McLaren next season to put it in F1 context, F1 has to be being dangled like a carrot at Palou because the move makes no sense otherwise. The only team most drivers would consider leaving Ganassi for is Penske or maybe in the past, Andretti but not so much right now. McLaren has done a good job with SP Racing since they bought the team and have improved it on the whole but they still aren't a front runner like Ganassi or Penske. I think Palou might regret this, because I don't think he is the best driver amongst the bunch of young drivers that McLaren is looking at in IndyCar, I think both Herta and O'Ward are faster and my money is on one of them getting the seat beside Lando if Zak Brown decides to go with a driver from IndyCar. In the end he might just end up in a good car instead of a great car like he had.
the move makes sense on a financial side.
Palou signed his contract with Ganassi when he was coming from DCR, with only 1 season of Indycar experience and only 1 podium to his name. His salary at Ganassi is abysmal, allegedly even worse than what he got at DCR.
Apparently Ganassi did not want to renegotiate that contract after he won the championship. Instead CGR made use of an option in said contract to an extension for another 2 years. So Palou would have to stay at Ganassi until 2024 under the same conditions, and despite being an Indycar Champion now, he would remain being one of the worst paid drivers on the grid.
McLaren offered him a paycheck worthy of a champion.
The question is whether he can get out of that terrible contract he signed with CGR 2 years ago.
It also makes sense as being an IndyCar Champion, Palou already has enough Superlicense points for F1 full stop while Pato O'Ward and Colton Herta don't have enough right now. Setting aside contract issues, Palou can go to Formula 1 right now and race for anyone that pays him.
Money, participation trophies in F1 or wins and championship in IndyCar. Unless it's a RedBull or Merc F1 run you ain't winning championships, poles or races in F1. Non American like participation trophies. Ask Montoya how his career went after leaving Chip. Meanwhile Dix became 6x Champion. All that and more could have been Montoya's.
participation trophies, i have never seen anything so clueless in my entire life
Just a question, why do you hate FE. It has better racing than F1.
Are we running out of f1 drama and look for it in other sports now? Kinda glad to be honest. F1 drama always made me cringe. At least here I don’t care about anyone.
So happy that he is leaving Chip Fatassi.
Hope he does not screw a team in the process. I 've seen it before and the universe pays them back with a declining career. Watch how you treat the gift of a great ride. Look at Riciardo. He essentially pooped on Red Bull and the gods have initiated his back slide putting hie where he is now. But that's just me. Glad all the fans are coming back then I don't have to watch ball sports.
All the best neal SW Fla.
I don’t think Palou is the best option at all tbh
Did someone say Red flag meme?????
I think Ganassi should bench his ass for the rest of the season.
Not going to happen
You need to take it easy with this palou hype. In the end they will end up in court. Or palou get pay and don't race for a year. So you know. Chip is a ruthless sob.
The man's nickname is "Cheap" Ganassi.
Alex'd
dear EU f1 fans, please show indycar some love. No pay to play drivers + regulated cars. It's worth the watch!
Also half the field are ex f1 drivers lol
not from EU but its just late night for me here. The time diff makes it impossible for me.
Oh man. How crazy would it be for Palou to remain in IndyCar in 2023, only to clinch another championship, then fill that vacancy in 2024? I think that's the play. Especially if Pato can't seal the deal. As much as I like Pato, I don't think he'll close on a championship as long as Palou is in the series.
Why do you hate Formula E?
Will probably make a whole video on that at some point
@@FP1Will Fair enough, it would be interesting to see how anyone could hate something I love
Just a suggestion, the fake VCR filter was very distracting while watching the video. Also the filter adds a flashing lights so a trigger warning would be appreciated.
I think that Mclaren will start to collect every driver from indycar
But in F1 Lando and Riciardo will remain in 2023
But 2024 i think Lando and Mclaren.will have to go a race in indycar to chosse what driver to get and writet on a list.
he retreated McLaren F1 and said he's happy to be with the team.
Whatever, bunch of crap about some minor national series.
average DTS fan
@@jeder6915 I absolutely love me some Indy
but it IS a national series at best
and *comparably* minor to F1, the forefront of Open wheelers
Imagine calling the series with literally the biggest race in the world a minor national series
@@Huckle15 Don't bother. Some people have a compulsive need to shit on Indycar for some reason. It's really quite weird because I don't see people doing the same thing for Super Formula, a different single seater series that's mostly popular in one country. And I don't think I've ever seen anyone scoff at the existence of things like DTM and Supercars either.
@@gandalf_thegrey damn I'ma f1 fan but u have no clue what u are talking about at all. totally different series
According to Brazilian media, Palou is getting pulled from the car this weekend and Tony Kanaan will take his place in the 10 for Toronto. Here's the article from GrandePremio: www.grandepremio.com.br/indy/noticias/ganassi-cogita-tony-kanaan-rifar-alex-palou-troca-mclaren/
Yea that wouldn’t surprise me. Pretty crazy
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Palou is in the Ganassi car at Toronto and qualified 22nd due to crashing. I think they're checking on Kanaan for later in the year.