Everybody: Please do not go out with people who obsessively try to get you to go out with them. If they can't take no for an answer and graciously back off, it's a huge red flag. I know there might be situations where someone makes their feelings known but the timing isn't right so things work out later on, but strangers refusing to leave you alone is not cute.
Definitely true. It’s bit a compliment, it’s a waening! Run the other e Way, especially now! It seems to be a season of evil and murder. This story is is the worst! Eve Kendall was having difficulty relaying it!
i had these two friends who fought over me a few years ago. one was threatening suicide if i didn't date him and the other kept touching me inappropriately. i was too ashamed to say anything at the time and it took a major toll on me. i recently told my parents and i'm seeing a therapist. if i had had the logic i have now, i never would have hung out with them. great advice for people with less experience. i agree, some persistence is good, but not so much that the person won't leave you alone. no is always an option!
Yes! I learned this the hard way! I used to work at a bar in my small hometown and there were tons of workers coming from all over. Back when the oilfield was making serious money and our area was a hotspot. So anyways I went out with a guy who wouldn't let up, I gave in even though i really didnt want to. I was young and a people pleaser. Anyways dude turned out to be psychotic! Anytime we would get a new waitress or bartender I would tell them not to feel pressured to go out with anyone!!! I was like their annoying mother lol. Always telling customers to back off if they wouldn't get the hint. In the bar business "the customer is always right" doesn't exist. If they didn't like it, then leave! Lol And no I'm not saying oilfield workers are psychotic! Or anything like that, I'm just saying where I worked there were always strangers coming and going because of the work. Also it was a really small town so when it came to dating it was really slim pickin.
@@kiwi3349 First off I'm proud of you! It takes courage to be able to speak upon such things. But I must say please don't feel like if you had the logic you would've known better. In no way did you deserve any treatment like that from any one. Other people's instability is not your fault dear. I'm sending best wishes to you and big hugs ♥️. You're strong remember that. And be proud of yourself 💪
His dad was a sick bas***d and his mom...just wow. Beastiality, sex with mom, raping sister, just don't get caught...I just can't think of a word for how messed up these people are
Her father litterally sounds like her toxic ex-boyfriend like..It just sounds from this video like he saw Fred as some kind of competition and wanted Rose for herself. Weird, disturbing shit.
If you’re interested in the psychology of murderers and psychopathy, learn about it from a legitimate source. Like someone who actually has a sufficient academic background in it and can understand the complexity of neuropsychology. Not a UA-camr without formal education 🤦♀️ From experience as a former research assistant in grad school, I can tell you that it genuinely is a fascinating subject!
Yes a professional would be beneficial, BUT I would also equally enjoy listening to Kendall talk about it and give her opinions. I would love to see her showcase her research to us, like a conversation ❤️
@@ambitiously_ While seeking information from experts in any field is extremely important, I don’t think it’s fair to discourage those from wanting to learn from Kendall. Academic material can be extremely dry and sometimes inaccessible for the general public. From watching Kendall’s previous videos, I am almost certain she will make some sort of disclaimer at the beginning of that video, should she choose to make it. Also, insulting someone’s level of higher education is not a good look for you. :)
Kendall!! There is a case in Northern Ireland at the moment which is shocking and frustrating. About a 14 year old boy called Noah Donaghoe, he went missing in July and was found 6 days later unclothed in storm drain. Police are saying no foul play, nobody believes this is true. His mother has no answers and is desperate for awareness of what happened to Noah, shes not even allowed to see the full autopsy. Please look at this case!! It will shock you and awareness will help his mother
Living in the Republic of Ireland and ya that case in the north is weird, of course it looks like foul play and you think is someone covering stuff up?
Similar questions had bothered me for many years until I finally made peace with this crazy world: there're so many stupid girls out there that we're actually running out of nasty perverts.
The fact that Rose killed his daughter while he was locked up shows that she is most definitely the monster she was convicted of! She gets zero sympathy. She was sick too. Match made in hell.
i’m from gloucester about 10 minutes away from where this happened, my family and others knew they were strange but no one ever thought they were capable of such things. one of their daughters still lives here and often gets asked about her parents but she is a lovely lady.
Same, I'm from the Forest of Dean in Gloucestershire and I remember the news and reporters etc when all of this happened. It still haunts me all of these years on and when I tell people I'm from Gloucester everyone knows it as "where Fred and Rose West are from." I moved away a few years ago and still have people asking me about it when they pick up where my accent is from.
@@katiewood1204 i was born in 2006 so i obviously wasn’t alive when it happened but it is still very much talked about and yes, when you say fred and rose people immediately know who you are talking about
@@katiewood1204 i’m from the forest of dean too, my dad and uncle were the police that dug up the bodies and searched the garden and cellar for them, they both met fred when trying to find the bodies in the cellar, apparently he just said he could feel their spirits in there and didn’t help at all, only lasted 10 mins before all the police wanted him out so he went back to jail!
I was born in Gloucester as well. Glad they destroyed the house but it felt stange walking along the path they made. A friend of mine lived at the back of there garden and would play with the kids through the fence. My brother went to the same school as Heather.
There was one survivor who was a “nanny” for the Wests and she said she was tied up in the basement and raped and tortured and Rose played a HUGEEEEEEEE role and was enjoying it just as much, if not more than Fred.
There's been several studies in the last 10 years where they study inmates brains. A HUGE portion of them had significant damage to their frontal lobe area in particular. My ex has FAS which is brain damage caused by mother drinking during pregnancy. They found all these guys either had FAS or had a traumatic brain injury from a car crash as a kid or surfing or been physically beaten. Frontal lobe damage can literally turn people into psychopaths because it takes away empathy for others. They also lack impulse control and are more likely to have fits of rage. I honestly don't even see these guys as monsters anymore. They are just sick. They need to go to prison to keep society safe but yeah...
@@doppelsotria4620 makes sense, but when they've committed such atrocities, the public would lose their shit if they received mental help rather than prison time or the death sentence
I never expected to have any sympathy for Fred and Rosemary and I still don't for the monsters they turned into. But my heart breaks for them as children. What they went through was pure evil.
The kids didn’t deserve this association. And the Wests targeted their own kids considering Heather was murdered by Rose (Fred was locked away at the time according to investigators)
I’m truly disturbed by this family. This is the most disturbed I’ve ever felt during one of these videos. Just knowing there’s sick ppl on this level in the world makes me feel queasy and anxious
One of the daughter's wrote a book about what it was like growing up in that house. All of the kids were horribly abused in all ways. The kids are also certain that their mother was completely involved in these murders.
I did a Google search using her full name and info was easily found. Said she felt guilty her entire life. Poor woman she tried to go to the police and they never took her seriously saying she liked "it" rough!!! They didn't believe her rape claims.. Poor, poor, woman! She wrote two books about her experiences and Rose was very involved! Caroline recently died of cancer.
That and the beastiality I wonder what people like that would say to people if asked about the incest and beastiality probably be like hey you gotta get off somehow bruh lol
yea, and it's also really gross what fred's mother did to him (doesn't excuse anything, but ofc no kid should have to go through that). I think kendall should've labeled that as ass@ult rather than him just losing his vir!nity to her?
Those poor kids. I feel so horrible for the whole cycle of abuse. It really shows how anyone who abuses someone else only does it because they were abused. After hearing about things like this I cannot even fathom how people justify beating their children.
Saying that “anyone who abuses someone else only does it because they were abused” is a terrible take. Given that females are raped at an exceptionally higher rate than men, if this were even remotely true, female sex offenders would outnumber male sex offenders like 100 to 1. I hate when ppl repeat this bullshit as “fact” bc not only is it dumb, but it’s incredibly hurtful and offensive to all sexual assault victims when you’re literally calling them potential rapists just bc they were a victim.
@@bathroomtile459 not what I said at all. Not all abused people become abusers, but all abusers were at one point abused. Most people who experience abuse actually break the cycle and become wonderful people, I can vouch for a lot of them, but I’m just saying that abuse only breeds more abuse. It’s just a fact and isn’t intended to vilify victims of abuse at all
@@bathroomtile459 it’s just the sad reality of the cycle of abuse and I didn’t say anywhere that if you are abused that automatically makes you a bad person that will abuse others. I just said that the only reason abusers are born is from abuse, and thats honestly just fact.
This case is huge here in England, Rose was just as, if not more, evil than Fred. Scarily enough Rose ended up in the same prison as Myra Hindley aka the most hated woman in Britain.
@@benlang1678 I think they may be referring to joint enterprise, a law where if you are in a conspiracy with other people, you can be convicted of the crimes your co-conspirators commit. It's typically used for gang related crimes.
My Grandparents once recalled seeing the same girl at a bus stop every day on their way to work. One day she wasn’t there. It seemed out of the ordinary, but they were sure it was explainable. Turned out she’d been picked up by Fred West and was never seen again! So scary!
If it helps, I've personally worked with Anna-Marie. She seems to be doing well, has a nice family. Lovely woman. You wouldn't even believe she was Fred's daughter.
I’m really sorry I know this video is meant to be sad,serious and disturbing but when she said that it made me laugh and when I saw your comment it made me laugh even more 😂😂😂
The fact that Fred killed people before he met Rose, coupled with her history of being abused, leads me to think that he was the ringleader. I still think Rose was complicit, possibly brainwashed, but guilty nonetheless. The fact that she killed his stepdaughter while he was in jail proves that she is a murderer on her own. Those two together were just pure hell.
Unfortunately, they were raised in hell themselves. back in those days, it was more difficult to break free from your abusers or to even learn there's other ways to live. :(
@@sapphirecamui6447 Exactly, especially since Rose was so young and also suffered from a TBI made it even easier for her to conform to Fred's actions and to act on her impulses. It's really sad, the two started off in the same abusive environment as their own children did.
She was 15. Her brain was NOT developed enough to be exposed to a man like him and not come out molded exactly as he wanted. That’s why he picked her. She was broken, potentially struggling with brain abnormalities from prenatal stress, and a CHILD. He totally brainwashed her and turned her in to his little killer child bride.
Imagine the first person who was ever nice to you being a serial killer with 10 kills on them already - but you’re the special one he won’t kill. My god a truly evil man.
I hate hate when someone just seats in front of a camera and talk and talk... but I LOVE LOVE LOVE Kendall Rae’s videos I can re-watch them all over again and still be so into it like the very first time 😭 she makes every story sound like it’s supposed to!
agree 100% .. Kendall tells details and back stories that we never really knew. Watching/listening to her is like chatting with a friend, rather than her trying to act like a news anchor or something. She has a soothing and engaging voice, and her timeline of events always fit together so perfectly!
My first cousin once removed was kidnapped and killed by Fred and Rosemary West. Her name was Lucy Partington and she was 21, the age I am now, which is such a mind fuck. She was studying Medieval history at university. Her brother dropped her off at the bus stop after her friend's birthday party, and she was never seen again. I can't imagine the guilt he must have felt knowing that if he had driven her all the way, she would have lived. My family had no idea what happened to her until her remains were discovered over twenty years later in the West's cellar. A few days after she disappeared, Fred went to the hospital with deep lacerations on his hands. Her body was also found with a knife. It's good to know that she fought back, and that she was not tortured for more than a few days. Hearing (an abridged version of this) story as a kid is probably what sparked my obsession with true crime. Also the kneecap thing really really disgusts me too for some reason.
"Which is very VERY illegal" in response to them peeping on they're clients has me dead 😂😂 everything they're doing is superrrr illegal this seems mild in comparison lol 😂😂😂
My heart breaks for sweet Charmaine, she was so beautiful and deserved a normal, loving mother and father. Ugh I hate when bad things happen to children 😭
I find it really interesting that he had blatant disregard for all of the women in his life except for Rose. He even tried to take all blame off of her once they were discovered. Why was this? I think it's because he finally met his sick match and she might have even been worse than him.
@@erin.19 it’s not that black and white. ted Bundy seemingly loved his girlfriend and treated her like a princess and actually for all purposes was actually a good parent or pretended to be to her daughter. It’s not that you have no feelings but rather a perversion of normal, healthy, interpersonal emotions and empathy. Its not the kind of feelings you feel, and given his childhood he has had staunch disturbances throughout critical stages of emotional development and empathy not to mention the TBI. But it’s not that he’s necessarily void of emotions. He probably felt lust and some kind of shallow bastardized version of intimacy. But being “a sociopath” isn’t a specific disorder in the DSM-5 and as everyone knows from Shane’s cringe there’s so much sensationalism of the term when it already has different contexts across different disciplines. I am a mental health professional and that is just not the type of language we use and throwing that around would be considered extremely unprofessional and incompetent. There are certain contexts mainly in forensics and research where models of the sociopath construct are developed and used to assess people.. there’s a few specific inventories used for that you could probably look up.. but it’s not reallt the same that a true crime special night use the term at all, and even words like “empathy” and “personality” mean something specific in that context of psychology rather than what comes to mind when you otherwise hear those words. so that’s a good question but the answer is, people ultimately aren’t the way we compartmentalize them. In practice in terms of mental health, psychology, and neuroscience there’s so many more layers and depth and nuance to this. There’s a lot that goes into that kind of interpersonal functioning.. empathy, theory of mind, perspective taking, sexuality, self-concept, attachment style, motivation, maturity.. that’s a fraction of it all. I love true crime and it’s not always reasonable to fully explain every concept relevant, but a lot of the time human psychology and sociology get oversimplified and unrealistically portrayed. Most people’s idea of a “psychopath” simply isn’t actually a thing, or is just a very perception-based idea of something that doesn’t necessarily represent a realistic psychological profile
@@sad-qy7jz that’s very true! i’ve seen so many different interpretations of psychopathy, and they definitely differ between the context of psychology and true crime so it’s a bit confusing to understand. i’m super interested in psychology and studying it in school rn but i haven’t done very much research on sociopaths/psychopaths/ASPD so i sometimes misunderstand what it all really means. thank you for replying that was actually super interesting to read!
This happened a 10 minute drive from my house, such a messed up story! My grandad went to school with him too & said he was soooo strange! Scary world we live in!!
Fred wasn't a mummas boy. He was an abused child forming attachments with his abusers to survive. Not excusing his behaviours obviously but that distinction is important, especially child abuse survivors
She really was, I honestly couldn’t stop thinking about her for a while so I was reading up on her, the whole video broke my heart. I was looking for this comment 😩
@@pigeonpants3113 To be fair, Fred was her father, a horrible father, but he was her father. Fred was the only father she had known since birth. That's her dad. Biology isn't everything. I do wish Rainna never met him, though. That poor girl wouldn't have suffered any of this.
I have a friend getting the electro therapy thing for depression, it’s not like the shock thing anymore. She even talked to me on FaceTime while getting it. It just sends waves through her brain that helps to stop the depressive thoughts
It absolutely does help some people. However in the past the amount of electricity was used more liberally (and while it still helped some people it was detrimental to others; criteria to qualify was likely different), and it is NOT performed on pregnant women today, as it can affect the fetus.
Rose was the instagater Fred had brain damage from a motorbike accident rose mother had electric shock treatment when pregnant so they think this may of made rose the way she was
Fred was extremely unfortunate looking. His upbringing was terrible. This is a case that truly makes you question nature versus nurture. Would Fred have been a killer without the environmental variables? Did the environmental variables just make his becoming a serial killer more likely?
@@andreavintage3870 lol but it means she has studied it and knows more than us commoners about it (and I obviously say commoners as of this matter, since I doubt we both are psychologists).
i think it shows that he cares about her as a sexual being and not his daughter but he still cares about her enough to not want her in a relationship like this one. i also think "sexual acts" shouldn't apply to that context because it was non-consensual. overall, yeah i agree.
He was jealous :x Rose's father basically considered himself and Rose to be in a relationship and saw her involvement with Fred as her cheating on him.
Sadly not all of them were able to overcome the horrors of their parents in August 2020 Fred and Rose West’s son Barry West committed suicide because at the age of either 7 or 9 he saw his parents beat his older sister Heather to death and at the age of 40 he committed suicide as he couldn’t take all the trauma anymore and even told his doctor that life wasn’t worth living anymore and I think I read he actually attempted suicide again in 2015 or 2013 the poor man I feel so sorry for him and all the other Wests children including the ones who are dead they didn’t deserve the life they had
I’ve struggled with infertility for 4 years and THESE sick people reproduce like crazy, omg 💔 The amount of abuse in this whole case...I can’t even believe what people are capable of doing to one another
By ‘CPS’, d’you mean ‘Crown Prosecution Service’, ‘Cambridge Philosophical Society’, or ‘Centre for Planetary Science’? ...Why not call the NSPCC instead?
@@tyreseforren6721 I agree I read it was accidental but the very first time I read about it I read that I think Fred asked the boy if he wanted ice cream or something and like any other child of course the wee boy said yes but Fred told him to wait at a certain area and then Fred reversed back and killed the boy and then I think the boy’s father came outside to find that his son has been run over I think that’s how the story went but at other points I read it was accidental but I’m still believing and sticking to the first thing I read and I’m still thinking it was on purpose
Im feeling so deeply for their kids, and the kids they once were. Babies are not easy and need so so much love. Cant imagine what they did to them when they were only newborns. The foundation already destroyed. Truly a heartbreaking story. Shayateen is what they are. He for sure wont be waiting in peace.
One of their sons Barry west recently (Oct 2020) committed suicide by overdose due to his childhood. So even now, there’s still ripples and after effects happening.
I will not call that man "charming"... he looks scary, even without hearing all the stories. He looks like someone I want to run away from... like even if I just see him on the street...
I think it comes from that sociopaths can be very manipulative. Not that I know whether he was formally diagnosed as a sociopath (or psychopath) but I wouldn't be surprised if he meets that criteria.
Yes. Narcissists and sociopaths can pretend to be very charming, but I'd have to be bludgeoned with a coffee table while heavily tripping on acid to find this man an eligible bachelor.
I have recently discovered I have walked through where the infamous house on Cromwell street used to stand. It's a public footpath/alley now, cause they demolished the house. Unfortunately, there are much worse cases still.. This one is just messed up in terms of depravity and sexual deviancy and that children were involved, but some other sickos go beyond the thinkable in deriving pleasure from intense suffering of their victims and prolonged time of exposure to it.. look up Junko Furuta or Hello Kitty cases, Peter Scully case....
Just a side note, when a baby is rocking and banging their head against objects it’s a sign of self comforting. It’s actually a lot more common than you’d think, but of course anything in excess is bad.
Ngl when she started talking about that I kinda shit myself because I used to do that as a toddler, sometimes still do to this day, creeps me out when you share things like that in common with murderers or other f*cked people 🤢
Hmm all my female cousins rocked, it drove my mom crazy; she couldn’t break them of the habit. Back then, in the Fifties, no one knew it might be indicative of emotional disturbance....which makes sense with my cousins, because cousin’s mother, my mom’s sister, was bipolar and a neglectful mother. And my MALE cousin was a head banger til my Grandma took him out in the driveway. One bang on the cement and he never did it again. German child rearing practice....
@@candyprincess-uy8hl it can be hard for non autistic people (or people who don’t have anything that causes stimming) to understand. It’s a way of redirecting overstimulation to a different area that can be controlled. Very similar to SH as a way to redirect emotional pain into physical pain. It just helps, I don’t know how else to explain it.
I grew up in an abusive household and was raised by an actual sociopath and I promise you don’t realize the things in your household aren’t normal until you’re in the real world. Sadly not all of us choose the right path.
The couples reputation still comes up here in the UK to this day. It's very common that people will say things like "oh, you better not mess this that person or you'll end up under their back patio", or when spotting an odd looking couple "look.. a regular Fred and Rose West over there."
I’m so curious to see what all of their children look like and how they’re doing now, considering the utter terror they endured and witnessed. I hope they’re doing well but I also hope psychopathy doesn’t run in the family.
Yes the eldest son has been married 3 times and like has been said had a 14 year old "girlfriend" in 2003. So definitely affected by his parents, but nothing on the others, Roses daughters by other men weren't hurt apparently.
i used to get the same bus to work as marie. she worked in a shop. i dont know what she does now. she has a daughter. as far as i know they are doing ok.
@@Freya__ regardless, there are many established facts of this case that Kendall really glosses over in this video, probably because she doesn't like to sensationalise things too much (which I appreciate haha)
the message at the beginning 🥺 we love you kendall! i’ve been watching you for like 3 years and i kind of feel like you’re my friend. you and josh always have the most interesting content. you’ve taught me a lot about things i wouldn’t necessarily know about. so thank you! 💜🦋
It’s mad because when this was going on, my mum and my three older siblings lived down the road from him. My mum said for ages she’d dream about a man walking around his garden with a girl slumped in his arms, and she never knew why until this came out
Lol full of shit. Her brain wouldn’t dream about that because she wasn’t even aware that it was happening. even if she did dream about it it’s got nothing to do with him cause she’s not a psychic she can’t have a dream about him burying people in his backyard if she’s not aware that it’s even happening.
@@Andreawbs It’s more common than you’d think for people to dream about things that are happening/going to happen when they have no conscious knowledge of it. My mum dreamed about the twin towers burning and falling down and then it happened years later. If you believe in God then that’s one explanation, God warns people and gives them knowledge of things. Or if you believe in psychics that’s another explanation for these types of dreams, or even if you just believe in “the universe” then there’s another explanation, universal energy revealing things. Anyway this really does happen whatever the real explanation for it may be, it’s just one of those weird things that happen in this world.
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didn't believe her when she said she'd be covering cases "a lot darker". well, I was wrong.
Hearing Fred talk about cutting up the child and her being strangled and killed so emotionless is horrifying. I always knew these people were evil but actually hearing how easy it is for them to say stuff like that really opened my eyes.
Just for one last twist in the Rose West tale, when she was sent to jail, she met Myra Hindley, fellow sick child murderer who killed alongside her partner Ian Brady. The two women became an actual couple! That is some evil partnership there! Apparently Myra was just in it to manipulate Rose to benefit herself whereas Rose was actually "in love" with Myra. It did not end amicably.
And Joanna Dennehy was sent to the same prison as Rose West and threatened to kill Rose. Rose was moved to a different prison. Those three - Myra, Rose, and Joanna - are the only three women to receive the whole life tariff.
@@jgcaesar4 ooooh I knew they were in the same prison but didn't know they knew each other or had beef! I find it so interesting how the most evil people cross paths
@@xJintyOx Joanna told everyone that she was going to kill Rose. I know that Joanna had claimed that she was a victim of child abuse and was super protective of her own daughter. Maybe that explains her hatred of a child abusing monster like Rose. Rose was gutted when she had to leave Low Newton. Apparently, she was at the top of the pecking order and really had things her way until Joanna showed up and ended the party. Rose is now in New Hall jail in Wakefield, West Yorks.
Hi.. there’s A LOT OF CASES on MISSING & MURDERED INDIGENOUS WOMEN & CHILDREN. I would loooove to hear u talk about something related to indigenous people. There’s a lot going on in Canada & the USA with our people.
My mom is one year out from a stroke and something called PRES syndrome that lead her to be in a coma for 2 weeks. After she came out of it she was a totally different person. Before she was always very outgoing and independent. Now she’s very timid and scared of everything 😔 it’s like her injury’s completely rewired her brain. I’m just thankful she survived ♥️
I work at a assisted living facility. We have residents who have had strokes and it changed them in so many different ways. Its very sad how much something like this can change a person. I'm glad you're mother is alive! If at any point in the far future she needs to go into a nursing home please PLEASE be that person who calls and watches the staff. If you're being called annoying behind your back by staff, you're doing it right.
I’m so sorry this happened to you and your mom. My nana had a stroke and you can still see little parts of her old personality deep down but she’s definitely not as kind as she used to be. Like her “think before you speak” filter is gone. Stay strong❤️
@@WizKhalia13 omg yes. My mom is the same way!!!! It’s like her common sense/ cause and effect rational is gone!!! But I can still see bits of her inside as well
My grandad was friends with him, Fred used to look after the farm whilst my family went away and he would open the gates for my mum and auntie when they were horse riding... spooky!
7:09 I experienced a traumatic brain injury at 14 (severe concussion that took over a month to be able to leave a dark room, look at screens, read, etc. and over 3 years for concussion-related headaches to stop), and shortly after began suffering from severe depression, and anxiety, and may potentially develop bipolar disorder. Just wanted to throw that out there because it is really crazy how many killers have suffered from TBIs, and as someone who has suffered from one myself, it is crazy how much it can change you
I am so proud of Kendall for 2 million subscribers. I remember finding her channel after she did a mermaid video with Shane Dawson and then I saw her true crime videos and it was everything I love to watch. Thank you so much Kendall for all your videos and I can’t wait to see what comes up
My grandad used to work with Fred and would often give him a lift to work. He said to me before "I always found it strange how his work boots were dirtier in the morning than when I dropped him off the night before" 😮😮😮
My sister went to school with Heather. There is a lot of things that went on in that house,i watched another vid on this and they actually had some names of her clients, some worked as rubbish men in the city. There were some rumours that there were bodies buried under that cafe in the city, cos he was working on the construction there. My dad's mate was living in the midland road flat when police found the little girl.
@@laurenslife4530 definitely, I think a lot of people especially in glos avoid this story nowadays, it was something that never should have happened and there were many people at fault, if some people stepped in and actually looked into everything at an earlier stage this could have all been avoided.... Such a sad sad situation that never should have happened
Brain-damaged-incest-murderers: *Gunna have a shit-ton of kids & do horrible things* Me, infertile & wanting just 1 child: *FLIPS TABLE* "sure why the hell not, right?!" 🤦♀️
Shannon, when my doctor said I will probably never have a baby my heart broke and I cried and just dreamed of one baby of my own. IVF gave me twins!!! It can happen, just not the way you originally thought. You can be a great mommy after all! I am a social worker and it killed me to see so many kids not wanted when I wanted them and still do, but if you want it, you can have it. Good luck🤗👶.
I'm in a situation where I want to be a mother but my health issues keep me from working and caring for a child. Hopefully I'll be able to adopt or at least foster one day. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you too.
Hi Shannon! My mother was in your position many years ago. She suffered from endometriosis and could not get pregnant as well as suffering a number of miscarriages. The doctors said that she would never have a child, and if she managed to carry a baby to full term, they would be born with severe physical and psychological malformities. But she found a doctor who worked with her extensively, and I was eventually born. I'm completely healthy and thriving as an adult. There is always hope for you, so don't lose heart.
What a shock. Moth took down his incel eant against "natalists" p, his quirky name for women who want a baby, irrespective of any issues having to do with said pregnancy and children. All of us are selfish and only care to have "perfect genes". Obviously this "person " has never dealt with this longing for a child to raise, and the majority of whom get donor eggs or get pregnant and deal with any "imperfection" of said baby. "MOTH" get a girlfriend and have a few grown experiences, including sexual, and have talks about kids. We all know you will go around the globe adopting and raising any kid he thought was "damaged". I am disappointed he erased his incel remarks LMAO 🙄🤯.
I feel you! I had a failed IUI and I’m about to have a consult with a new specialist to see if I need to move forward with IVF. And I can’t foster to adopt bc my 80 y/o father who lives with me has a DV record from 30 years ago. They don’t care that he has 15 years of sobriety and hasn’t been violent since. But sure let the serial killers have all the kids.
I grew up in the 90s living 30 miles away from Fred & Rose West but my parents completely kept this from me and I didn’t find out about it until I was an adult. Rose is guilty, us Brits are unanimously agreed on that.
wow i'm surprised you didn't hear about it! i grew up in gloucester nearby the street but even so it was plastered all over the tv and papers! it was pretty unavoidable in the uk.
The house this all took place in isn’t too far away from me, my family grew up around the corner and said how they all avoided the West’s house. It’s been demolished now but has an eeriness to it
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Everybody: Please do not go out with people who obsessively try to get you to go out with them. If they can't take no for an answer and graciously back off, it's a huge red flag. I know there might be situations where someone makes their feelings known but the timing isn't right so things work out later on, but strangers refusing to leave you alone is not cute.
Definitely true. It’s bit a compliment, it’s a waening! Run the other e
Way, especially now! It seems to be a season of evil and murder. This story is is the worst! Eve Kendall was having difficulty relaying it!
i had these two friends who fought over me a few years ago. one was threatening suicide if i didn't date him and the other kept touching me inappropriately. i was too ashamed to say anything at the time and it took a major toll on me. i recently told my parents and i'm seeing a therapist. if i had had the logic i have now, i never would have hung out with them. great advice for people with less experience. i agree, some persistence is good, but not so much that the person won't leave you alone. no is always an option!
@@kiwi3349 I am so sorry that this happened to you! You deserve better!
Yes! I learned this the hard way! I used to work at a bar in my small hometown and there were tons of workers coming from all over. Back when the oilfield was making serious money and our area was a hotspot. So anyways I went out with a guy who wouldn't let up, I gave in even though i really didnt want to. I was young and a people pleaser. Anyways dude turned out to be psychotic! Anytime we would get a new waitress or bartender I would tell them not to feel pressured to go out with anyone!!! I was like their annoying mother lol. Always telling customers to back off if they wouldn't get the hint. In the bar business "the customer is always right" doesn't exist. If they didn't like it, then leave! Lol
And no I'm not saying oilfield workers are psychotic! Or anything like that, I'm just saying where I worked there were always strangers coming and going because of the work. Also it was a really small town so when it came to dating it was really slim pickin.
@@kiwi3349 First off I'm proud of you! It takes courage to be able to speak upon such things. But I must say please don't feel like if you had the logic you would've known better. In no way did you deserve any treatment like that from any one. Other people's instability is not your fault dear. I'm sending best wishes to you and big hugs ♥️. You're strong remember that. And be proud of yourself 💪
Kendal: this is an incredibly dark case
Me 4 minutes in: she was not lying
Oh my god this case is full of horrible deaths
His dad was a sick bas***d and his mom...just wow. Beastiality, sex with mom, raping sister, just don't get caught...I just can't think of a word for how messed up these people are
FRRRRRR😭😭😭😭
@@juliestrickland6904 Perfect example of how victims become abusers. Then in this case killers. It's just an endless circle.
Probably the most fucked up shit I’ve listened to.
I just “love” how Rose’s father was so worried about her being with Fred, like he’s one to judge...
I bet he was jealous
That's what I was thinking.
I just want to vomit, I feel so fucking sick right now and I can usually handle pretty disgusting cases.
Yesssss
Her father litterally sounds like her toxic ex-boyfriend like..It just sounds from this video like he saw Fred as some kind of competition and wanted Rose for herself. Weird, disturbing shit.
Fred and Rose West is the literal "but wait, it gets worse" case
Haha that should have been the title of this video lol “But wait!!! There’s more!!!” Or “just you wait…. it gets so much worse!!!” 😂😂😂
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These extremely dark cases are so disturbing, but I can’t look away.
I even have nightmares but i always come back to these videos ;-;
@@miishaa same! i keep getting nightmares but I keep watching them which is like so bad
"Inside the Brain of a Killer" oh my gosh I would click so fast. Love you Kendall!
If you’re interested in the psychology of murderers and psychopathy, learn about it from a legitimate source. Like someone who actually has a sufficient academic background in it and can understand the complexity of neuropsychology. Not a UA-camr without formal education 🤦♀️
From experience as a former research assistant in grad school, I can tell you that it genuinely is a fascinating subject!
@@ambitiously_ Haha you’re probably right! I really like listening to Kendall but I would definitely want to seek some other sources too :)
Yes a professional would be beneficial, BUT I would also equally enjoy listening to Kendall talk about it and give her opinions. I would love to see her showcase her research to us, like a conversation ❤️
@@Ladylucifer13 yesss!
@@ambitiously_ While seeking information from experts in any field is extremely important, I don’t think it’s fair to discourage those from wanting to learn from Kendall. Academic material can be extremely dry and sometimes inaccessible for the general public. From watching Kendall’s previous videos, I am almost certain she will make some sort of disclaimer at the beginning of that video, should she choose to make it. Also, insulting someone’s level of higher education is not a good look for you. :)
Kendall!! There is a case in Northern Ireland at the moment which is shocking and frustrating. About a 14 year old boy called Noah Donaghoe, he went missing in July and was found 6 days later unclothed in storm drain. Police are saying no foul play, nobody believes this is true. His mother has no answers and is desperate for awareness of what happened to Noah, shes not even allowed to see the full autopsy. Please look at this case!! It will shock you and awareness will help his mother
Donohoe** not trying to be rude! Just so Kendall can look up the right name!
@Shayla McDonald done it 😁
That is so disturbing. Why is there so much evil in this world..
Yes Kendall. please bring attention to Noah’s case !!!
Living in the Republic of Ireland and ya that case in the north is weird, of course it looks like foul play and you think is someone covering stuff up?
How this Fred looked sexually appealing to anyone is beyond my comprehension.
Same with that Thing Rose
Similar questions had bothered me for many years until I finally made peace with this crazy world: there're so many stupid girls out there that we're actually running out of nasty perverts.
@@arielleung3917 so many "stupid girls"? You're a giant numb nut
@@arielleung3917 it is said again and again. Attraction in the 60s and 70s are far different from modern times.
And he never brushed his teeth or showered, so it’s really concerning that he had that many women willing to have sex with him.
These girls: Oh, you barely shower? Barely brush your teeth? You’re greasy? Ew! .. but wait.. you’re charming.
Thats why these girls dont want anything to do with me. I need me to not shower and throw all my deodorants... thats the trick i guess..
@@bg6429 boy you don’t want “these girls” 💀🤢 Lord knows they’d murder you too
As someone who grew up in Gloucester England our beauty standards.....are....welll....low.
Reminds me of Dirty John. :(
idk how they found him “charming”
The fact that Rose killed his daughter while he was locked up shows that she is most definitely the monster she was convicted of! She gets zero sympathy. She was sick too. Match made in hell.
Yep she murdered her all on her own, so all her ‘I’ve been brainwashed’ theories go out the window on that one
That's why they could charge her for it because fred was in prison so he cant take the blame for that one like he did with the others
Why there are any matches for these people is beyond me.
@@TheNinnyfee It's like the devil brings them together I'm sure of it 😬
@@Suki_Stormi It's not a contest.They are equally sick and perverted.Remember Freds father?
You should do a “Wanted” or like a “Most Wanted” series. It would be good to get their faces out there as well
Ewwwww a most wanted series!!! That'd be 💣!!!!!!!! Like if you agree
@@danib4798 who says ew when its something you want/like thats weird but you do you lol
@@danib4798 lmao if ur squealing say ‘eeeeee!!!’ coz thats for excitement, ‘ew’ is for disgust . n why u gotta make it a gender thing ,,
@@danib4798 I know how the “ew” was suppose to sound lol. Don’t listen to him 😂
@@reaganmabry5141 THANK YOU!🤣😋
i’m from gloucester about 10 minutes away from where this happened, my family and others knew they were strange but no one ever thought they were capable of such things. one of their daughters still lives here and often gets asked about her parents but she is a lovely lady.
Same, I'm from the Forest of Dean in Gloucestershire and I remember the news and reporters etc when all of this happened. It still haunts me all of these years on and when I tell people I'm from Gloucester everyone knows it as "where Fred and Rose West are from." I moved away a few years ago and still have people asking me about it when they pick up where my accent is from.
@@katiewood1204 i was born in 2006 so i obviously wasn’t alive when it happened but it is still very much talked about and yes, when you say fred and rose people immediately know who you are talking about
@@katiewood1204 i’m from the forest of dean too, my dad and uncle were the police that dug up the bodies and searched the garden and cellar for them, they both met fred when trying to find the bodies in the cellar, apparently he just said he could feel their spirits in there and didn’t help at all, only lasted 10 mins before all the police wanted him out so he went back to jail!
That poor lady. I'm sure she doesn't want to talk about her parents.
I was born in Gloucester as well. Glad they destroyed the house but it felt stange walking along the path they made. A friend of mine lived at the back of there garden and would play with the kids through the fence.
My brother went to the same school as Heather.
A huge case was just solved in Canada, Christine Jessop was killed 1984 and her killer was just discovered today. Would love if you could cover it.
Really? Where did this happened? Just curious as I am from New Brunswick, Canada. :)
@@Jverburgh just outside of Toronto
She has a form where you can submit requests for videos, she’ll more likely cover it if you submit your request through that form.
@@xoAnnieBee thank you!
SEASON. OF JUSTIIIICE
There was one survivor who was a “nanny” for the Wests and she said she was tied up in the basement and raped and tortured and Rose played a HUGEEEEEEEE role and was enjoying it just as much, if not more than Fred.
Shirley? Oh she's a brave woman, beyond measure. Her evidence pretty much put Rose away.
the serial killer childhood trifecta: having abusive parents, killing small animals for fun & suffering a traumatic brain injury
and some sexual abuse/fantasies oh and ofc the weird personalities it changes though
There's been several studies in the last 10 years where they study inmates brains. A HUGE portion of them had significant damage to their frontal lobe area in particular. My ex has FAS which is brain damage caused by mother drinking during pregnancy. They found all these guys either had FAS or had a traumatic brain injury from a car crash as a kid or surfing or been physically beaten. Frontal lobe damage can literally turn people into psychopaths because it takes away empathy for others. They also lack impulse control and are more likely to have fits of rage.
I honestly don't even see these guys as monsters anymore. They are just sick. They need to go to prison to keep society safe but yeah...
@@ashlyforever5025 I feel like prison is the wrong facility for that shit. They definitely need to be in some kind of mental facility with guards
@@doppelsotria4620 makes sense, but when they've committed such atrocities, the public would lose their shit if they received mental help rather than prison time or the death sentence
I thought the third one was starting fires. But the TBIs don't help.
I never expected to have any sympathy for Fred and Rosemary and I still don't for the monsters they turned into. But my heart breaks for them as children. What they went through was pure evil.
Yes I totally agree. I mourn for them as children.
Pure evil created more evil. Sick twisted cycle
Yes.Wilbur was pure evil.Those poor animals and kids.
I completely agree And that is the byproduct of a "civilized" population that is seriously lacking empathy.
The kids didn’t deserve this association. And the Wests targeted their own kids considering Heather was murdered by Rose (Fred was locked away at the time according to investigators)
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Me: YES YES
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OFCOURSE WE WANT VIDEOS OF THE PSYCHOLOGY OF A SERIAL KILLER
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I’m truly disturbed by this family. This is the most disturbed I’ve ever felt during one of these videos. Just knowing there’s sick ppl on this level in the world makes me feel queasy and anxious
Agree
One of the daughter's wrote a book about what it was like growing up in that house. All of the kids were horribly abused in all ways. The kids are also certain that their mother was completely involved in these murders.
name of the book? :O
Title?
@@danielamontes8955 “love as always, mum xxx” by Mae west :)
@@reealitey “love as always, mum xxx” by Mae West :)
@@frankieprior thanks
I’m so glad you covered this but i wish you’d talked about Caroline Roberts, their only survivor. Her story proves how involved Rose was.
do u know any videos about her, i’m interested
Do you have a good source to read about her?
@@maggie1000 she has a book called the lost girl about the experience!
I did a Google search using her full name and info was easily found. Said she felt guilty her entire life. Poor woman she tried to go to the police and they never took her seriously saying she liked "it" rough!!! They didn't believe her rape claims.. Poor, poor, woman!
She wrote two books about her experiences and Rose was very involved!
Caroline recently died of cancer.
Yh I remember watching an interview with her on itv news.
I just spent 5 minutes trying to figure out what a “beasting” was, like “Walters first wife died of a beasting” 😂😂. A bee sting !!!!! 🤦♀️
Lol
Girl I stg I had to go back a few time because I thought she was saying a beasting too🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤣🤣
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Eccron Nieves lol, so glad I’m not crazy! 😂
what’s beasting??
I’m sorry I don’t think I heard that that right- her dad was one of her “CLIENTS”?!?! That SICK
No worse’n what goes on in Buckingham Palace every day!
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I literally had to rewind and make sure I heard that disgusting fact correctly. 🤮
@@bryangarcia5599 oh god another sheep
Their parents are entirely complicit in how those 2 turned out 😒
The amount of incest in the story is outrageous and disgusting 🤮
That and the beastiality I wonder what people like that would say to people if asked about the incest and beastiality probably be like hey you gotta get off somehow bruh lol
yea, and it's also really gross what fred's mother did to him (doesn't excuse anything, but ofc no kid should have to go through that). I think kendall should've labeled that as ass@ult rather than him just losing his vir!nity to her?
@@mitchlamping530 That's not funny.
I need to wash my ears with holy water after hearing about this case.
me too and im not even religious
lmao
Holy water: Fzzzz fzzzz fzzzz fzzzz fzzz
For reals 🤭
Me tooo....
I really be sitting here eating a whole meal while listening to sick ass people like this 😂😫
i just finished a dish of spaghetti and meatballs... believe me it was the worst way to enjoy my favourite meal.
Same I was eating tamales 🤢🤧
I had sum cereal and chicken Alfredo
SAME lmao
LMFAOOOO me rn
Those poor kids. I feel so horrible for the whole cycle of abuse. It really shows how anyone who abuses someone else only does it because they were abused. After hearing about things like this I cannot even fathom how people justify beating their children.
Well, people don't ALWAYS abuse others because they've suffered, but yes it is common.
Saying that “anyone who abuses someone else only does it because they were abused” is a terrible take. Given that females are raped at an exceptionally higher rate than men, if this were even remotely true, female sex offenders would outnumber male sex offenders like 100 to 1. I hate when ppl repeat this bullshit as “fact” bc not only is it dumb, but it’s incredibly hurtful and offensive to all sexual assault victims when you’re literally calling them potential rapists just bc they were a victim.
@@bathroomtile459 not what I said at all. Not all abused people become abusers, but all abusers were at one point abused. Most people who experience abuse actually break the cycle and become wonderful people, I can vouch for a lot of them, but I’m just saying that abuse only breeds more abuse. It’s just a fact and isn’t intended to vilify victims of abuse at all
@@bathroomtile459 it’s just the sad reality of the cycle of abuse and I didn’t say anywhere that if you are abused that automatically makes you a bad person that will abuse others. I just said that the only reason abusers are born is from abuse, and thats honestly just fact.
@@ellaboehme6748 One of my brother's was extremely abusive but was never abused. So your "fact" is not true.
This case is huge here in England, Rose was just as, if not more, evil than Fred. Scarily enough Rose ended up in the same prison as Myra Hindley aka the most hated woman in Britain.
Rumour had it they were friends - talk about the sickest friendship in history!
@@vikkiparker1362 they were in a relationship, however the relationship ended after an argument over who was the most famous...
unfortunately i am from that town
@@stretchj93 I can believe that, both were evil manipulative women
In the UK we don’t have as many serial killers as some other countries, but when we do, they’re definitely up there with the worst!
Wow Kendall, you weren’t lying. This has to be one of the most disturbing and gruesome cases I’ve ever heard of. 🤯
Very famous i lived not far from it.
It was nicknamed the House of horrors
Yes, trully horrible I pity all those poor girls what they must've gone through!! 😢
@@oscarmalchai2547 Oh wow. That’s crazy! Sadly that name is quite fitting.
@@angelasmithson5291 Absolutely! My heart hurts for all the victims. 😢
I’m so creeped out just by his pictures. I can’t understand how any women could stand to be near him. His eyes alone are dead. Like he has no soul.
I agree with you, but people like Fred prey on vulnerable people with low self esteem, lack of direction in life, damaged, etc.
He def had no soul, neither his parents , it's Scarry how many 'people' are.roaming souless
Even from the pictures she shows of him as a child he looks so dead in his face
Most people in old pictures look soulless
And he looks dirty even without her saying so.
Rose is guilty! Just knowing about the murders and not stopping him makes her guilty by association. Disgusting.
She murdered his daughter Charmaine. And taped her own daughters being raped. So yeah, she’s definitely guilty
Obviously...she killed that kid
I mean, she’s literally in prison serving a sentence just now so we know she’s guilty.
I’m not disagreeing that she’s guilty, however guilt by association is a logical fallacy. She IS guilty, but not for this reason
@@benlang1678 I think they may be referring to joint enterprise, a law where if you are in a conspiracy with other people, you can be convicted of the crimes your co-conspirators commit. It's typically used for gang related crimes.
My Grandparents once recalled seeing the same girl at a bus stop every day on their way to work. One day she wasn’t there. It seemed out of the ordinary, but they were sure it was explainable. Turned out she’d been picked up by Fred West and was never seen again! So scary!
The look in the eyes of those children in old photographs are disturbing and reveal something is severely wrong.
I was going to say the same. It's truly sad!
Kendal Rae is basically a celebrity now
Then how you gonna spell her name wrong
Rightfully so tbh
She is an absolute legend. She does so much good she is amazing I have so much admirati0n for her.
For real
LITERALLY
This story is absolutely wild. I just feel so bad for their kids 🥺💔
Same. I feel bad for the animals that Fred raped, too. :(
If it helps, I've personally worked with Anna-Marie. She seems to be doing well, has a nice family. Lovely woman. You wouldn't even believe she was Fred's daughter.
😂😂😂 "Fred decided he was going to become an ice cream man. All of our worst nightmares, Fred, the fucking ice cream man" dying 😭😭😭😂👏
I’m really sorry I know this video is meant to be sad,serious and disturbing but when she said that it made me laugh and when I saw your comment it made me laugh even more 😂😂😂
I believe the stereotype of an ice acream man had been created based on Fred West. so ti's the other way around..
The fact that Fred killed people before he met Rose, coupled with her history of being abused, leads me to think that he was the ringleader. I still think Rose was complicit, possibly brainwashed, but guilty nonetheless. The fact that she killed his stepdaughter while he was in jail proves that she is a murderer on her own. Those two together were just pure hell.
Unfortunately, they were raised in hell themselves. back in those days, it was more difficult to break free from your abusers or to even learn there's other ways to live. :(
@@sapphirecamui6447 Exactly, especially since Rose was so young and also suffered from a TBI made it even easier for her to conform to Fred's actions and to act on her impulses. It's really sad, the two started off in the same abusive environment as their own children did.
She was 15. Her brain was NOT developed enough to be exposed to a man like him and not come out molded exactly as he wanted. That’s why he picked her. She was broken, potentially struggling with brain abnormalities from prenatal stress, and a CHILD. He totally brainwashed her and turned her in to his little killer child bride.
Imagine the first person who was ever nice to you being a serial killer with 10 kills on them already - but you’re the special one he won’t kill. My god a truly evil man.
@@malmal8863 he’s a textbook definition of a groomer
I hate hate when someone just seats in front of a camera and talk and talk... but I LOVE LOVE LOVE Kendall Rae’s videos I can re-watch them all over again and still be so into it like the very first time 😭 she makes every story sound like it’s supposed to!
agree 100% .. Kendall tells details and back stories that we never really knew. Watching/listening to her is like chatting with a friend, rather than her trying to act like a news anchor or something. She has a soothing and engaging voice, and her timeline of events always fit together so perfectly!
Yesssssss
She sounds like she’s talking to us and we are haveing a convo
My first cousin once removed was kidnapped and killed by Fred and Rosemary West. Her name was Lucy Partington and she was 21, the age I am now, which is such a mind fuck. She was studying Medieval history at university. Her brother dropped her off at the bus stop after her friend's birthday party, and she was never seen again. I can't imagine the guilt he must have felt knowing that if he had driven her all the way, she would have lived. My family had no idea what happened to her until her remains were discovered over twenty years later in the West's cellar. A few days after she disappeared, Fred went to the hospital with deep lacerations on his hands. Her body was also found with a knife. It's good to know that she fought back, and that she was not tortured for more than a few days. Hearing (an abridged version of this) story as a kid is probably what sparked my obsession with true crime. Also the kneecap thing really really disgusts me too for some reason.
My friend often says “I will delete you kneecaps” and now I don’t know how to feel… sorry about the cousin
That's so heart breaking to go through
Sorry about ur cousin😞this is heartbreaking😭😔
D:
I’m so sorry for your loss...they are/were trash things, not even good enough to call them human beings
"Which is very VERY illegal" in response to them peeping on they're clients has me dead 😂😂 everything they're doing is superrrr illegal this seems mild in comparison lol 😂😂😂
Lol that's what I thought 🤣
As soon as she said that, I was like, "that's the least problematic thing here." Lol
I was thinking the exact same thing 🤣
Kendall I just wanted to say thank you for how hard you work. I love all of your videos and I’m sure it’s not easy. You’re amazing
she never fails !!!
So true !
Yes God bless her I know she must be tired 🥺
Amen
My heart breaks for sweet Charmaine, she was so beautiful and deserved a normal, loving mother and father. Ugh I hate when bad things happen to children 😭
I’m
And that’s why that jealous bit$$ killed her.
I find it really interesting that he had blatant disregard for all of the women in his life except for Rose. He even tried to take all blame off of her once they were discovered. Why was this? I think it's because he finally met his sick match and she might have even been worse than him.
Probably just a repeat of his parents, she may of reminded him of his mum, as she was the lead of the family not his father
Yep! Match made in hell
@Cynthia Zavala is he really a sociopath though if he had feelings for her? or just deranged and mentally disturbed in another way
@@erin.19 it’s not that black and white. ted Bundy seemingly loved his girlfriend and treated her like a princess and actually for all purposes was actually a good parent or pretended to be to her daughter. It’s not that you have no feelings but rather a perversion of normal, healthy, interpersonal emotions and empathy. Its not the kind of feelings you feel, and given his childhood he has had staunch disturbances throughout critical stages of emotional development and empathy not to mention the TBI. But it’s not that he’s necessarily void of emotions. He probably felt lust and some kind of shallow bastardized version of intimacy. But being “a sociopath” isn’t a specific disorder in the DSM-5 and as everyone knows from Shane’s cringe there’s so much sensationalism of the term when it already has different contexts across different disciplines. I am a mental health professional and that is just not the type of language we use and throwing that around would be considered extremely unprofessional and incompetent. There are certain contexts mainly in forensics and research where models of the sociopath construct are developed and used to assess people.. there’s a few specific inventories used for that you could probably look up.. but it’s not reallt the same that a true crime special night use the term at all, and even words like “empathy” and “personality” mean something specific in that context of psychology rather than what comes to mind when you otherwise hear those words. so that’s a good question but the answer is, people ultimately aren’t the way we compartmentalize them. In practice in terms of mental health, psychology, and neuroscience there’s so many more layers and depth and nuance to this. There’s a lot that goes into that kind of interpersonal functioning.. empathy, theory of mind, perspective taking, sexuality, self-concept, attachment style, motivation, maturity.. that’s a fraction of it all. I love true crime and it’s not always reasonable to fully explain every concept relevant, but a lot of the time human psychology and sociology get oversimplified and unrealistically portrayed. Most people’s idea of a “psychopath” simply isn’t actually a thing, or is just a very perception-based idea of something that doesn’t necessarily represent a realistic psychological profile
@@sad-qy7jz that’s very true! i’ve seen so many different interpretations of psychopathy, and they definitely differ between the context of psychology and true crime so it’s a bit confusing to understand. i’m super interested in psychology and studying it in school rn but i haven’t done very much research on sociopaths/psychopaths/ASPD so i sometimes misunderstand what it all really means. thank you for replying that was actually super interesting to read!
This happened a 10 minute drive from my house, such a messed up story! My grandad went to school with him too & said he was soooo strange! Scary world we live in!!
Fred wasn't a mummas boy. He was an abused child forming attachments with his abusers to survive. Not excusing his behaviours obviously but that distinction is important, especially child abuse survivors
Yes 👏
Idk if my memory is serving me correctly, but didn't his mom have sex with him?
I may be confused with another case & I haven't watch the video yet.
lights up yup his first time was with his mum...
Thanks thanks
Thanks for clarifying this
Charmaine was such a beautiful child 🥺
She really was, I honestly couldn’t stop thinking about her for a while so I was reading up on her, the whole video broke my heart. I was looking for this comment 😩
Agree! They all were but that poor girl neither of them were even her parents :(
I'd been REALLY hoping the kids got out of this when the video started. Poor Charmaine and Heather, such a waste of innocent lives.
Children are all beautiful
@@pigeonpants3113 To be fair, Fred was her father, a horrible father, but he was her father. Fred was the only father she had known since birth. That's her dad. Biology isn't everything. I do wish Rainna never met him, though. That poor girl wouldn't have suffered any of this.
he really took his dad's advice so seriously that he killed himself to get away with doing whatever he wanted.. damn
I mean he’s burning in hell now lol
Did u forget he was sexually abused by his own mother many times growing up and way more obviously he thought it was normal
I have a friend getting the electro therapy thing for depression, it’s not like the shock thing anymore. She even talked to me on FaceTime while getting it. It just sends waves through her brain that helps to stop the depressive thoughts
My mom had it in the 60s. It saved her life.
So it doesn’t hurt?
during modern ect (electro convulsive therapy) you have to be anesthetized so likely she was receiving some kind of tms instead which is magnets
It actually does help people
It absolutely does help some people. However in the past the amount of electricity was used more liberally (and while it still helped some people it was detrimental to others; criteria to qualify was likely different), and it is NOT performed on pregnant women today, as it can affect the fetus.
i can’t even with this “fred west as an f***ing ice cream man” 😂
a lot of people speculate that Rose was actually the worst of the two. I have done extensive research into this case and I almost agree
I agree with you , I remember this case breaking and thought it was all him , but the more I’ve learnt I believe she was behind this .
OFCOURSE WE WANT VIDEOS OF THE PSYCHOLOGY OF A SERIAL KILLER
Rose was the instagater Fred had brain damage from a motorbike accident rose mother had electric shock treatment when pregnant so they think this may of made rose the way she was
Even their son agrees
Rose was an Angel. A beautiful, gentle, kind Angel!
Fred was extremely unfortunate looking. His upbringing was terrible. This is a case that truly makes you question nature versus nurture. Would Fred have been a killer without the environmental variables? Did the environmental variables just make his becoming a serial killer more likely?
the debate between nurture and nature is so interesting, i could literally go for hours just dissecting it
Psychologist here, it's not one or the other, more about the combination of both
@@cecilia4947 just because you're a psychologist does not make you always right soz
@@andreavintage3870 lol but it means she has studied it and knows more than us commoners about it (and I obviously say commoners as of this matter, since I doubt we both are psychologists).
Impregnating a child: 1month prison sentence.
*stealing car tires: oh ho ho!!! 6 months in prison for you!!*
LMFAO LITERALLY!!!! I paused the vid to think about that shit for a min
Good old British justice system! Absolute joke at times
@@janetallan3630
America learned from the best?
Yep, it's a man's world. If good mothers could sentence these guys things would be different.
LMFAO
So roses father was so concerned about her moving in with fred but wasn’t concerned enough to stop doing sexual acts with his own daughter? Hm ok😂
I know what you mean! I think he saw his own daughter like his property. Which is disgusting.
i think it shows that he cares about her as a sexual being and not his daughter but he still cares about her enough to not want her in a relationship like this one. i also think "sexual acts" shouldn't apply to that context because it was non-consensual. overall, yeah i agree.
Sickos like that have a "That's my pu$$y" mentality.
✨ Jealousy✨
He was jealous :x Rose's father basically considered himself and Rose to be in a relationship and saw her involvement with Fred as her cheating on him.
“Fred west as a F******g ice cream man”
Yep yeah NOPE No thanks, that’s creepy AF
A lot of weirdos are ice cream mans I swear scary
i’m not trynna get ice cream from the ice cream truck now
Most Mr Whippies are odd....
My grandmother’s friend live next to them at the time! She was mortified when she found out and she moved immediately.
Oh my gosh, I hope their children were able to start new and overcome their sick families, breaking their family cycles.
Seriously!! I read a comment that one of the daughters is a lovely lady so that’s a good sign, but damn that trauma work has got to be intense!
one of his daughters is so lovely, she was one of my friend’s neighbour! she changed her name to break the family cycle and protect herself :)
Sadly not all of them were able to overcome the horrors of their parents in August 2020 Fred and Rose West’s son Barry West committed suicide because at the age of either 7 or 9 he saw his parents beat his older sister Heather to death and at the age of 40 he committed suicide as he couldn’t take all the trauma anymore and even told his doctor that life wasn’t worth living anymore and I think I read he actually attempted suicide again in 2015 or 2013 the poor man I feel so sorry for him and all the other Wests children including the ones who are dead they didn’t deserve the life they had
I’ve struggled with infertility for 4 years and THESE sick people reproduce like crazy, omg 💔 The amount of abuse in this whole case...I can’t even believe what people are capable of doing to one another
Yeah and this isn't even the whole story. I read about this case few years ago. To say it left me feeling disturbed is an understatement.
Wait- You're telling me the kids went to an urgent care 30 SOMETHING TIMES AND NO ONE CALLED CPS WTFFFF
By ‘CPS’, d’you mean ‘Crown Prosecution Service’, ‘Cambridge Philosophical Society’, or ‘Centre for Planetary Science’? ...Why not call the NSPCC instead?
@@bryangarcia5599
In America, it stands for Child Protective Services.
@@Em_Elizabeth Yes, I know. ’Twas but a joke (as this case _did_ take place in England, after all).
@@bryangarcia5599
I see now! ;-)
Haha my bad that's what I call it in the U.S
“Our worst nightmare: Fred West as an ice cream man.” Couldn’t be truer honestly
ive been saying that
@@jakes9548 him running over that little boy was on purpose.
@@tyreseforren6721 I agree I read it was accidental but the very first time I read about it I read that I think Fred asked the boy if he wanted ice cream or something and like any other child of course the wee boy said yes but Fred told him to wait at a certain area and then Fred reversed back and killed the boy and then I think the boy’s father came outside to find that his son has been run over I think that’s how the story went but at other points I read it was accidental but I’m still believing and sticking to the first thing I read and I’m still thinking it was on purpose
Im feeling so deeply for their kids, and the kids they once were. Babies are not easy and need so so much love. Cant imagine what they did to them when they were only newborns. The foundation already destroyed. Truly a heartbreaking story. Shayateen is what they are. He for sure wont be waiting in peace.
Just finished my midterm and got on UA-cam to see this. The best post-test gift I could ask for :)
Hope you get a good grade.
I feel
Bruh I have a midterm today and tomorrow and I need to study 😭
GIRL ME TOO
One of their sons Barry west recently (Oct 2020) committed suicide by overdose due to his childhood. So even now, there’s still ripples and after effects happening.
poor guy
Sad
I'm not surprised. Just saddened.
RIP
I will not call that man "charming"... he looks scary, even without hearing all the stories. He looks like someone I want to run away from... like even if I just see him on the street...
Same
I think it comes from that sociopaths can be very manipulative. Not that I know whether he was formally diagnosed as a sociopath (or psychopath) but I wouldn't be surprised if he meets that criteria.
Yes. Narcissists and sociopaths can pretend to be very charming, but I'd have to be bludgeoned with a coffee table while heavily tripping on acid to find this man an eligible bachelor.
This by far is the sickest most twisted case I’ve ever heard. I can’t even believe human beings like this exist. Those poor poor children…
I have recently discovered I have walked through where the infamous house on Cromwell street used to stand. It's a public footpath/alley now, cause they demolished the house. Unfortunately, there are much worse cases still.. This one is just messed up in terms of depravity and sexual deviancy and that children were involved, but some other sickos go beyond the thinkable in deriving pleasure from intense suffering of their victims and prolonged time of exposure to it.. look up Junko Furuta or Hello Kitty cases, Peter Scully case....
“They bonded over the bondage” I’m going to hell for laughing at that
The song “Evil” by Interpol is about Fred and Rosemary, pretty haunting.
As is the song ‘25 Cromwell St.’ by Apoptygma Berzerk.
I came here to say this. Glad someone did :)
I love Interpol
The song actually is written about these people though?
@@bethanypierce4944 yes
Just a side note, when a baby is rocking and banging their head against objects it’s a sign of self comforting. It’s actually a lot more common than you’d think, but of course anything in excess is bad.
how would that be comforting
Ngl when she started talking about that I kinda shit myself because I used to do that as a toddler, sometimes still do to this day, creeps me out when you share things like that in common with murderers or other f*cked people 🤢
It can be a form of self soothing like thumb sucking, rocking yourself to sleep, shaking your leg as you fall asleep,etc. A lot of babies do it
Hmm all my female cousins rocked, it drove my mom crazy; she couldn’t break them of the habit. Back then, in the Fifties, no one knew it might be indicative of emotional disturbance....which makes sense with my cousins, because cousin’s mother, my mom’s sister, was bipolar and a neglectful mother. And my MALE cousin was a head banger til my Grandma took him out in the driveway. One bang on the cement and he never did it again. German child rearing practice....
@@candyprincess-uy8hl it can be hard for non autistic people (or people who don’t have anything that causes stimming) to understand. It’s a way of redirecting overstimulation to a different area that can be controlled. Very similar to SH as a way to redirect emotional pain into physical pain. It just helps, I don’t know how else to explain it.
“Fred didn’t mind other men’s children” I see why. More kids to abuse 🤦♀️
I haven’t watched the doc on them yet but this video is probably all I’m going to to be able to handle on the subject 😬
I watched a doc on them years ago and ended up wishing I hadn’t
yes. i agree.
Same. This one was pretty gruesome. I don’t think I could handle a whole documentary. 😬
Same
What’s the documentary’s name?
When she was talking about how the girl would run around naked in front of her brother I almost threw up
😳
I know. So weird.
That`s the least of that story
@@hopemccubbin8661 um okay?
@Kristian Alexis literally!!!
I would definitely be interested in the psychology of serial killers.
The way they ONLY TOOK FIVE OF THEIR KIDS
I grew up in an abusive household and was raised by an actual sociopath and I promise you don’t realize the things in your household aren’t normal until you’re in the real world. Sadly not all of us choose the right path.
True.
The couples reputation still comes up here in the UK to this day. It's very common that people will say things like "oh, you better not mess this that person or you'll end up under their back patio", or when spotting an odd looking couple "look.. a regular Fred and Rose West over there."
I’m so curious to see what all of their children look like and how they’re doing now, considering the utter terror they endured and witnessed. I hope they’re doing well but I also hope psychopathy doesn’t run in the family.
Yes the eldest son has been married 3 times and like has been said had a 14 year old "girlfriend" in 2003. So definitely affected by his parents, but nothing on the others, Roses daughters by other men weren't hurt apparently.
One of the daughters wrote a book on growing up with them as parents and what they’re doing now
i used to get the same bus to work as marie. she worked in a shop. i dont know what she does now. she has a daughter. as far as i know they are doing ok.
Thanks for all the replies, very interesting indeed! Thankfully only one of them seems to have turned out a bit “off” to say the least.
@William Brynn false, he didn’t impregnate her
My uncle worked at Durham prison and actually met Rose West. He says to this day how chilling she was to be around.
She had the voice of an insane witch!
@@nhmooytis7058 There's no need to insult witches by comparing them to Rose West.
@@mariakelly1059 sorry!
@@nhmooytis7058bit of a cruel and sad thing to say about witches
@@aoifekennedy9004 sorry about the burn 😁😁😁
this is one of the sickest cases I've ever heard
This is only the cliff notes unfortunately
Yeah to get the full picture I would recommend reading the Wikipedia, Kendall has left out a lot of details
@@settonsan7 wikipedia is not really accurate
@@Freya__ regardless, there are many established facts of this case that Kendall really glosses over in this video, probably because she doesn't like to sensationalise things too much (which I appreciate haha)
@@settonsan7 true
My friend’s mum used to live next door to them while this was happening, she was a teenager at the time 😥
The comment above u is ur friend i think lol
Can you elaborate more? What she heard, seen, smelled? Something?
Crazy how you never really know what's going on next door.
the message at the beginning 🥺 we love you kendall! i’ve been watching you for like 3 years and i kind of feel like you’re my friend. you and josh always have the most interesting content. you’ve taught me a lot about things i wouldn’t necessarily know about. so thank you! 💜🦋
“Fred West the f*ing icecream man” ok I laughed out loud at that! Lol
It’s mad because when this was going on, my mum and my three older siblings lived down the road from him. My mum said for ages she’d dream about a man walking around his garden with a girl slumped in his arms, and she never knew why until this came out
So creepy!!!
omg
Lol full of shit. Her brain wouldn’t dream about that because she wasn’t even aware that it was happening. even if she did dream about it it’s got nothing to do with him cause she’s not a psychic she can’t have a dream about him burying people in his backyard if she’s not aware that it’s even happening.
@@Andreawbs maybe she did have some psychic awareness. anything is possible.
@@Andreawbs It’s more common than you’d think for people to dream about things that are happening/going to happen when they have no conscious knowledge of it. My mum dreamed about the twin towers burning and falling down and then it happened years later. If you believe in God then that’s one explanation, God warns people and gives them knowledge of things. Or if you believe in psychics that’s another explanation for these types of dreams, or even if you just believe in “the universe” then there’s another explanation, universal energy revealing things. Anyway this really does happen whatever the real explanation for it may be, it’s just one of those weird things that happen in this world.
didn't believe her when she said she'd be covering cases "a lot darker". well, I was wrong.
Haha same. I underestimated Kendall for sure!
Loads of UA-camrs have covered this case!! Think the darkest part is that Rose West and Myra Hindley were in a relationship with each other!
@@trudy__taylorandjorjamummy this whole case is dark as hell
@@trudy__taylorandjorjamummy for me it was their childhood and how they treated their children
You definitely haven't heard the Case of Tim Mclean then.
Hearing Fred talk about cutting up the child and her being strangled and killed so emotionless is horrifying. I always knew these people were evil but actually hearing how easy it is for them to say stuff like that really opened my eyes.
Just for one last twist in the Rose West tale, when she was sent to jail, she met Myra Hindley, fellow sick child murderer who killed alongside her partner Ian Brady. The two women became an actual couple! That is some evil partnership there! Apparently Myra was just in it to manipulate Rose to benefit herself whereas Rose was actually "in love" with Myra. It did not end amicably.
Apparently, Rose sticks with the same type. Thank God she could not impregnate the other child killer.
And Joanna Dennehy was sent to the same prison as Rose West and threatened to kill Rose. Rose was moved to a different prison. Those three - Myra, Rose, and Joanna - are the only three women to receive the whole life tariff.
@@jgcaesar4 ooooh I knew they were in the same prison but didn't know they knew each other or had beef! I find it so interesting how the most evil people cross paths
@@xJintyOx Joanna told everyone that she was going to kill Rose. I know that Joanna had claimed that she was a victim of child abuse and was super protective of her own daughter. Maybe that explains her hatred of a child abusing monster like Rose. Rose was gutted when she had to leave Low Newton. Apparently, she was at the top of the pecking order and really had things her way until Joanna showed up and ended the party. Rose is now in New Hall jail in Wakefield, West Yorks.
@@jgcaesar4 It's all so twisted!
Crimetober has been SO GOOD
Rose’s life sounds like something from BitLife Simulator
LMFAOOO
im crying
They both sound like something from BitLife Sim
@@candy-ninja ODJJSJSJD
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Hi.. there’s A LOT OF CASES on MISSING & MURDERED INDIGENOUS WOMEN & CHILDREN. I would loooove to hear u talk about something related to indigenous people. There’s a lot going on in Canada & the USA with our people.
Submit a form! She has a link in the description! That way she will see it for sure ,
This is a fantastic idea!! I hope it gets covered
Yes
Commenting to bump it
She has covered some of the MMIW cases already, but I would love to hear more.
Brings a whole new meaning to “I'm gonna steal your kneecaps.”
Wait 😧 is that a thing? I’m not even through the video yet but this comment caught my eye, is that a legit saying?
@@jillianbrereton8802
A joke saying. I think it came from Tumblr.
My mom is one year out from a stroke and something called PRES syndrome that lead her to be in a coma for 2 weeks. After she came out of it she was a totally different person. Before she was always very outgoing and independent. Now she’s very timid and scared of everything 😔 it’s like her injury’s completely rewired her brain. I’m just thankful she survived ♥️
I work at a assisted living facility. We have residents who have had strokes and it changed them in so many different ways. Its very sad how much something like this can change a person. I'm glad you're mother is alive! If at any point in the far future she needs to go into a nursing home please PLEASE be that person who calls and watches the staff. If you're being called annoying behind your back by staff, you're doing it right.
I’m so sorry this happened to you and your mom. My nana had a stroke and you can still see little parts of her old personality deep down but she’s definitely not as kind as she used to be. Like her “think before you speak” filter is gone. Stay strong❤️
@@MrsNHarvey1 oh I am absolutely 100% THAT person. Thank you. She’s doing very well as she continues to heal
@@WizKhalia13 omg yes. My mom is the same way!!!! It’s like her common sense/ cause and effect rational is gone!!!
But I can still see bits of her inside as well
This girl makes every story sound interesting
My grandad was friends with him, Fred used to look after the farm whilst my family went away and he would open the gates for my mum and auntie when they were horse riding... spooky!
7:09 I experienced a traumatic brain injury at 14 (severe concussion that took over a month to be able to leave a dark room, look at screens, read, etc. and over 3 years for concussion-related headaches to stop), and shortly after began suffering from severe depression, and anxiety, and may potentially develop bipolar disorder. Just wanted to throw that out there because it is really crazy how many killers have suffered from TBIs, and as someone who has suffered from one myself, it is crazy how much it can change you
Kendall: “that is very illegal”
Me: “well they murder and tortured people so they clearly don’t care.” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It was also recording prostitution which is illegal in itself 😅🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I am so proud of Kendall for 2 million subscribers. I remember finding her channel after she did a mermaid video with Shane Dawson and then I saw her true crime videos and it was everything I love to watch. Thank you so much Kendall for all your videos and I can’t wait to see what comes up
My grandad used to work with Fred and would often give him a lift to work. He said to me before "I always found it strange how his work boots were dirtier in the morning than when I dropped him off the night before" 😮😮😮
Oh wow interesting 😳
My sister went to school with Heather.
There is a lot of things that went on in that house,i watched another vid on this and they actually had some names of her clients, some worked as rubbish men in the city.
There were some rumours that there were bodies buried under that cafe in the city, cos he was working on the construction there.
My dad's mate was living in the midland road flat when police found the little girl.
@@huddnatasha My mum was also friends with his children! It's crazy the stories you hear....poor kids.
@@laurenslife4530 definitely, I think a lot of people especially in glos avoid this story nowadays, it was something that never should have happened and there were many people at fault, if some people stepped in and actually looked into everything at an earlier stage this could have all been avoided.... Such a sad sad situation that never should have happened
Jezus that’s fucking creepy
Brain-damaged-incest-murderers: *Gunna have a shit-ton of kids & do horrible things*
Me, infertile & wanting just 1 child: *FLIPS TABLE* "sure why the hell not, right?!" 🤦♀️
Shannon, when my doctor said I will probably never have a baby my heart broke and I cried and just dreamed of one baby of my own. IVF gave me twins!!! It can happen, just not the way you originally thought. You can be a great mommy after all! I am a social worker and it killed me to see so many kids not wanted when I wanted them and still do, but if you want it, you can have it. Good luck🤗👶.
I'm in a situation where I want to be a mother but my health issues keep me from working and caring for a child. Hopefully I'll be able to adopt or at least foster one day. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you too.
Hi Shannon!
My mother was in your position many years ago. She suffered from endometriosis and could not get pregnant as well as suffering a number of miscarriages. The doctors said that she would never have a child, and if she managed to carry a baby to full term, they would be born with severe physical and psychological malformities. But she found a doctor who worked with her extensively, and I was eventually born. I'm completely healthy and thriving as an adult.
There is always hope for you, so don't lose heart.
What a shock. Moth took down his incel eant against "natalists" p, his quirky name for women who want a baby, irrespective of any issues having to do with said pregnancy and children. All of us are selfish and only care to have "perfect genes". Obviously this "person " has never dealt with this longing for a child to raise, and the majority of whom get donor eggs or get pregnant and deal with any "imperfection" of said baby. "MOTH" get a girlfriend and have a few grown experiences, including sexual, and have talks about kids. We all know you will go around the globe adopting and raising any kid he thought was "damaged". I am disappointed he erased his incel remarks LMAO 🙄🤯.
I feel you! I had a failed IUI and I’m about to have a consult with a new specialist to see if I need to move forward with IVF. And I can’t foster to adopt bc my 80 y/o father who lives with me has a DV record from 30 years ago. They don’t care that he has 15 years of sobriety and hasn’t been violent since. But sure let the serial killers have all the kids.
I grew up in the 90s living 30 miles away from Fred & Rose West but my parents completely kept this from me and I didn’t find out about it until I was an adult. Rose is guilty, us Brits are unanimously agreed on that.
wow i'm surprised you didn't hear about it! i grew up in gloucester nearby the street but even so it was plastered all over the tv and papers! it was pretty unavoidable in the uk.
zweinah I was too busy with my nose in books at age 9!
The house this all took place in isn’t too far away from me, my family grew up around the corner and said how they all avoided the West’s house. It’s been demolished now but has an eeriness to it
is there another house on the property?
No. Just an empty, eerie space
There’s just a footpath. When the house was demolished every part was taken to the RAF to be ground up so people didn’t try and get souvenirs.
This case is actually from my hometown, Ive walked past where their old house is and now its completely new houses, but still feels sinister
Gloucester has been 'sinister' for centuries. Too close to the Forest.
@@nodiggity9472 yup ^^
What makes me most sick is I lived pretty much near them and didn’t even know this was going on. RIP to all the children who didn’t make it🕊