Really cool tip. One suggestion for everyone - change the settings for Ableton Spectrum to get a cleaner graph with these applied: Block - 8192 Channel - L+R Refresh - 60.0ms Avg - 1 Graph - Line and Max Scale X - Log Auto 0 to -120 Make sure to save as default so that these settings pop up every time you add the analyzer too
That was amazingly informative! Thanks so much for explaining it so well. Also it’s cool to actually see someone show why the alternative technique is inferior and then seeing the recommended approach in more than one interface (proQ, Manalyzer and Spectrum) really helped clarify what’s going on
FYI transient sounds like claps don't have pitch, sorry to break it to you. but they are just transient noise. some snares and toms do, but generally drums don't you only need to be concerned with musical clashes in the lower octaves (under 120hz). so longer kicks will need attention anything else don't worry. (btw I'm a professional and a professional ghost for others of 15 years+ with 200million+ streams in just dance music you can trust my advice here)
maybe i misspoke but we’re talking about tuning fundamentals here, not transients. maybe there won’t be musical clashes, but it can be more pleasant when drums are tuned in key. that said, i don’t spend much time tuning these days and am perfectly fine with the result. so whatever you’re into :)
@@AlmostHomeSounds yeah all sounds have fundamentals, but only sounds which follow the correct harmonic series have discernible note pitch. you were trying to tune a clap musically which just isn't applicable. sure they can be pitched like any sound but that's done only for aesthetic reasons of timbre (personal sound preference) not musical tuning.
@@Bthelick i agree. U can tune sounds like 808s and maybe kicks... Things that have a audible tonality to them. I completely agree to tune things like Acoustic drums or samples that have an audible tonality and that Frequency shifting is a better alternative to tune drums than the sampler’s transposition controls But This is just waste of time... I dont think if u tune every "nontonality" perc it would make your mix sound any greater. Its about picking right samples that clashes together right. Not tune them... and i dont think any person that listen to music daily thinks about your snare is 3 semitones off the scale.....
Yeah there's a reason a band is able to use the same drum kit for a whole performance, playing a variety of songs, in a variety of keys and still have it sound great. Like you said in your vid production/composition is an art, so to each their own, but I don't see how this would be necessary.
Thanks man this was very informative out of all the videos I watched on this specific focal point in production you were by far the most detailed to make it very understanding everybody else was just kind of bland and just ran through it as if I should already understand by now so thank you for that
Thank you very much. Most things I already had my suspicion about, but it's nice to see them acknowledged by a third party. I'm using SPAN as spectrum analyzer. Question: What about the hihats? Do you keep 'em in tune with the snare/claps?
Many people say your kick drum has to hit at 50Hz exactly. If the fundamental freq. is at 50 that means my kick is tuned to one certain note. What if my track is in a different key? Or when its hitting at 50Hz can that be a sideband or does it have to be the fundamental freq? Or is the 50Hz rule just bullshit?
Yo thanks for the comment! Yeah I mean tuning the kick to "exactly" 50hz is bullshit, although it's not totally clear what they mean. Like you said, that means you're tuning your root note to 50hz which doesn't always align to the key you're working in. I'm sure in certain genres, there are certain "best practices" that are thrown around as being the secret sauce to make your drums hit right. Maybe whoever says that just thinks that 50hz is his favorite frequency to perceive in kicks. As in, there will be information in the 50hz range regardless of the tuning, and perhaps it is important to hear it. It's also possible they mean 50hz is *around* where you want to find your kick fundamental.
In practice, you will definitely see root notes hitting higher and lower than 50hz, and sometimes even a little lower than 30hz. But the lower you go, eventually you will stop perceiving notes and only perceive the feeling of sub. What you want to do is scan through with your EQ and figure out in which octave the tone of your kick has the most effect on your mix. Then work on correcting and/or emphasizing those frequencies. Generally, when someone says to "always" do something a very particular way, someone is wrong.
@@AlmostHomeSounds Thank you! I have a few ideas on how to (FM) get a fundamental note at 50Hz with modified harmonic series but it's so much fuss for basically nothing. And in practice, I'm not even sure it's actually possible. But as I suspected the 50Hz thing is way too dogmatic.
hahahaha I love the pinned comment is the most negative one. Well played. I loved the video! I took away some really powerful ideas to try here so thank you
I think transposing can damage the sound so much so what I do is keep the kick in any note inside the scale and it's the only drum sound I actually tune. Claps/snares I will maybe toon if they are sounding strange.
Hey thanks for the comment and I'm glad you liked it! In the song I was working on in the video, the bass more or less follows the root of each chord in the progression. So in this case it will sometimes hit at the same note as the kick because the 1 chord is included. This could change depending on the style of song you're working on, or whether the 1 chord is part of your progression. It's pretty likely that your bass will hit at the same note as the kick at some point in the song though. Lemme know if that answers your question :)
Question: Im in D minor, but my kick in E sounded pretty off, however tuning it to D makes it ”warehouse techno” kind of, so would you say F might be better? Sure I know ”listening” is what matters but in theory… Thanks!
If you're sampling a song like Adele for example, should you also not use the transpose knob because then you're doubling the frequencies like you said?
Depending on what kind of sampling you're doing, you could get some interesting results trying different tuning methods. Like old school hip hop sampling- you could use any method to end up with something unique. But if you're sampling to use a piece of another song like a drum, I'd still recommend freq shifter. If you're sampling an entire arrangement with multiple instruments, I believe you'd want to use transpose in order to keep all the instruments in tune. Know what I mean?
@@AlmostHomeSounds If it's something like a piano or strings run with just one instrument, should is the transpose knob still ok? Or should we use the frequency shifter?
@@lewchootrain yep, transpose! shifting the frequency in that case will affect lower notes more than higher ones, which will not preserve the relative pitch between those notes.
oh man, ive been using ableton for yyyyeeeeeaaarrrss. always saying im "self taught" when really i've taught myself fuck all. well im really good at making a muddy mix if that's what you're after haha this video was perfect. easy to understand, shown on several different VSTs including native ones. keep it up man!
I should add though, that if you're taking an 808 from a drum kit, it's probably already tuned to a note. In which case you should be able to use the transpose function to move it between semitones. It probably depends on how much mid/high end content is in the sample as to how much you'll benefit from the freq shifter
@@Cappingcappy If the sample isn't tuned to a note at all, (ie: in between notes) then definitely use the frequency shifter. But this isn't likely because the sample was probably created with a synth that is hitting a note. If you need to re-tune between semitones, try out transpose. If the sample deteriorates too much with transpose, try out freq shifter.
@@AlmostHomeSounds that’s cos I understand the feeling, man! Btw, I make music together with my wife and we will really appreciate your judgment! Please, check out my instagram @4dasi ❤️
I believe you can use Ringshifter as a frequency shifter. Then use your preferred spectrum analyzer to monitor the tuning. I'd still recommend MAanalyzer or Pro-Q as far as 3rd party because I'm not that familiar with stock Logic plugins.
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You just confuse people bro. Don’t make videos u obviously have no idea what ur doing
why do you say that?
think its pretty clear to me... not really confusing
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Really cool tip. One suggestion for everyone - change the settings for Ableton Spectrum to get a cleaner graph with these applied:
Block - 8192
Channel - L+R
Refresh - 60.0ms
Avg - 1
Graph - Line and Max
Scale X - Log
Auto
0 to -120
Make sure to save as default so that these settings pop up every time you add the analyzer too
Nice! Appreciate the comment
isnt that just the default settings anyways
@@agentm00se No it’s not
@@badafrican8035 it is for me
@@agentm00se well that’s good
That was amazingly informative! Thanks so much for explaining it so well. Also it’s cool to actually see someone show why the alternative technique is inferior and then seeing the recommended approach in more than one interface (proQ, Manalyzer and Spectrum) really helped clarify what’s going on
so glad you dig it man!! really appreciate the comment
dude, more content plzzzz
Hey thanks for the comment dude! What kind of stuff are you interested in seeing?
@@AlmostHomeSounds thanks for the reply back! Really interested in more mixing tips for intermediate level folks :)
FYI transient sounds like claps don't have pitch, sorry to break it to you. but they are just transient noise. some snares and toms do, but generally drums don't you only need to be concerned with musical clashes in the lower octaves (under 120hz). so longer kicks will need attention anything else don't worry.
(btw I'm a professional and a professional ghost for others of 15 years+ with 200million+ streams in just dance music you can trust my advice here)
maybe i misspoke but we’re talking about tuning fundamentals here, not transients. maybe there won’t be musical clashes, but it can be more pleasant when drums are tuned in key. that said, i don’t spend much time tuning these days and am perfectly fine with the result. so whatever you’re into :)
@@AlmostHomeSounds yeah all sounds have fundamentals, but only sounds which follow the correct harmonic series have discernible note pitch. you were trying to tune a clap musically which just isn't applicable. sure they can be pitched like any sound but that's done only for aesthetic reasons of timbre (personal sound preference) not musical tuning.
@@Bthelick i agree. U can tune sounds like 808s and maybe kicks... Things that have a audible tonality to them. I completely agree to tune things like Acoustic drums or samples that have an audible tonality and that Frequency shifting is a better alternative to tune drums than the sampler’s transposition controls
But This is just waste of time...
I dont think if u tune every "nontonality" perc it would make your mix sound any greater. Its about picking right samples that clashes together right. Not tune them...
and i dont think any person that listen to music daily thinks about your snare is 3 semitones off the scale.....
Yeah there's a reason a band is able to use the same drum kit for a whole performance, playing a variety of songs, in a variety of keys and still have it sound great. Like you said in your vid production/composition is an art, so to each their own, but I don't see how this would be necessary.
Great video
Thanks man this was very informative out of all the videos I watched on this specific focal point in production you were by far the most detailed to make it very understanding everybody else was just kind of bland and just ran through it as if I should already understand by now so thank you for that
Dude I appreciate the complement! So glad to hear it 👊🏼
this is a game changer ! thank you so much for sharing ! cheers !
Glad to hear it Ernesto!! Thanks for the comment :)
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Thank you very much. Most things I already had my suspicion about, but it's nice to see them acknowledged by a third party.
I'm using SPAN as spectrum analyzer.
Question: What about the hihats? Do you keep 'em in tune with the snare/claps?
Thanks! this answered all my questions
This is madness !
Great Video! The insight and suggestions are gr8!
What about tuning the High, Mid & Low Toms?
Luke can you please make a video of you making a song and show all the steps on how to tune
bro... that was amazing. i've been looking for this for a while.. thanks
Using the freeze button in Pro Q3 works amazing, thanks for the vid !
Many people say your kick drum has to hit at 50Hz exactly. If the fundamental freq. is at 50 that means my kick is tuned to one certain note. What if my track is in a different key? Or when its hitting at 50Hz can that be a sideband or does it have to be the fundamental freq? Or is the 50Hz rule just bullshit?
Yo thanks for the comment! Yeah I mean tuning the kick to "exactly" 50hz is bullshit, although it's not totally clear what they mean. Like you said, that means you're tuning your root note to 50hz which doesn't always align to the key you're working in. I'm sure in certain genres, there are certain "best practices" that are thrown around as being the secret sauce to make your drums hit right. Maybe whoever says that just thinks that 50hz is his favorite frequency to perceive in kicks. As in, there will be information in the 50hz range regardless of the tuning, and perhaps it is important to hear it. It's also possible they mean 50hz is *around* where you want to find your kick fundamental.
In practice, you will definitely see root notes hitting higher and lower than 50hz, and sometimes even a little lower than 30hz. But the lower you go, eventually you will stop perceiving notes and only perceive the feeling of sub. What you want to do is scan through with your EQ and figure out in which octave the tone of your kick has the most effect on your mix. Then work on correcting and/or emphasizing those frequencies. Generally, when someone says to "always" do something a very particular way, someone is wrong.
@@AlmostHomeSounds
Thank you! I have a few ideas on how to (FM) get a fundamental note at 50Hz with modified harmonic series but it's so much fuss for basically nothing. And in practice, I'm not even sure it's actually possible.
But as I suspected the 50Hz thing is way too dogmatic.
Keep it up. You are easy to listen to
Hey Colton! Very much appreciate you dude
Luke, u da real mvp
appreciate it Red :)
It is a must to tune the drums
Show us how to Tuneindividuals Sounds in the Ableton Kits , please.
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hahahaha I love the pinned comment is the most negative one. Well played. I loved the video! I took away some really powerful ideas to try here so thank you
Tuning drums is goat-level.
What do you usually tune the hi hats to if the kick is at the root and snares/claps are on the fifth?
I would try the root and fifth and see if you like either. Probably whichever one preserves the quality of the sample
Super helpful vid man, love the multi plug-in views as well as the final tip. Subbed!
thanks a bunch Daniel! glad to help
Really appreciate the info 👌🏽 Never thought about using the frequency shifter before 😁👍🏽
appreciate the comment brotha! so glad you liked it 👊stay *tuned* for more
watching the tut now but if u automate frequency shifter on some snares u get the classic metal but wet Neuro dnb snare
@@Joshh.K Nice dude I hadn't thought of that! gotta love a good neuro snare
I think transposing can damage the sound so much so what I do is keep the kick in any note inside the scale and it's the only drum sound I actually tune. Claps/snares I will maybe toon if they are sounding strange.
one piece of feedback at the end can u please play the before/after? It really helps (like before tuning with ak ick and without tuning)
Really helpful thanks!
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awesome vid, thanks a lot. 1 question tho, if you are tuning your kick to the root note, what is your bass tuned to? :)
Hey thanks for the comment and I'm glad you liked it! In the song I was working on in the video, the bass more or less follows the root of each chord in the progression. So in this case it will sometimes hit at the same note as the kick because the 1 chord is included. This could change depending on the style of song you're working on, or whether the 1 chord is part of your progression. It's pretty likely that your bass will hit at the same note as the kick at some point in the song though. Lemme know if that answers your question :)
Awesome man !!
you talk like you constantly run out of breath
Question: Im in D minor, but my kick in E sounded pretty off, however tuning it to D makes it ”warehouse techno” kind of, so would you say F might be better? Sure I know ”listening” is what matters but in theory… Thanks!
Nice tip, bro!!
Cant you use eq8 to find the note it'd in?
Great video! Super informative, thanks man
Hey Jon! Super glad to hear it. Appreciate the feedback dude
If you're sampling a song like Adele for example, should you also not use the transpose knob because then you're doubling the frequencies like you said?
Depending on what kind of sampling you're doing, you could get some interesting results trying different tuning methods. Like old school hip hop sampling- you could use any method to end up with something unique. But if you're sampling to use a piece of another song like a drum, I'd still recommend freq shifter. If you're sampling an entire arrangement with multiple instruments, I believe you'd want to use transpose in order to keep all the instruments in tune. Know what I mean?
@@AlmostHomeSounds Got it thanks man!
@@lewchootrain right on
@@AlmostHomeSounds If it's something like a piano or strings run with just one instrument, should is the transpose knob still ok? Or should we use the frequency shifter?
@@lewchootrain yep, transpose! shifting the frequency in that case will affect lower notes more than higher ones, which will not preserve the relative pitch between those notes.
oh man, ive been using ableton for yyyyeeeeeaaarrrss. always saying im "self taught" when really i've taught myself fuck all. well im really good at making a muddy mix if that's what you're after haha
this video was perfect. easy to understand, shown on several different VSTs including native ones. keep it up man!
Would you say this is the best way to tune 808’s?
I would! Bass frequencies can be really finely tuned with the freq shifter without affecting the high end content because low octaves span fewer Hz.
I should add though, that if you're taking an 808 from a drum kit, it's probably already tuned to a note. In which case you should be able to use the transpose function to move it between semitones. It probably depends on how much mid/high end content is in the sample as to how much you'll benefit from the freq shifter
Okay I see but if I use the frequency shifter on 808s would that be superior because it’s more accurate? Or would using transpose just be easier?
@@Cappingcappy If the sample isn't tuned to a note at all, (ie: in between notes) then definitely use the frequency shifter. But this isn't likely because the sample was probably created with a synth that is hitting a note. If you need to re-tune between semitones, try out transpose. If the sample deteriorates too much with transpose, try out freq shifter.
Useful video!
great stuff!
Thanks Shaurya!
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@@AlmostHomeSounds that’s cos I understand the feeling, man! Btw, I make music together with my wife and we will really appreciate your judgment! Please, check out my instagram @4dasi
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@@fourgic that's what's up dude! just followed
if you unwarp the drum track and then pitch it down, is that the same as using frequency shifter? or is that different still?
Hey Wesley! Not the same- unwarping just makes the length of the sample change in proportion to the pitch change.
Also with the frequency shifter at default, does it put sounds at 180 phase with that knob at the bottom left of it?
i think that phase knob is only in reference to the LFO, so it's not doing anything if you're just using it for tuning
cool video
appreciate it dude!
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What would you use in Logic to do the same thing?
I believe you can use Ringshifter as a frequency shifter. Then use your preferred spectrum analyzer to monitor the tuning. I'd still recommend MAanalyzer or Pro-Q as far as 3rd party because I'm not that familiar with stock Logic plugins.
There's nothing easier than throwing the sample into Backbone.
Actually... correction: nothing is easier than Bitwig Sampler's pitch detection.
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next time play the beat so we can hear the difference between the tuned and not tuned
good call, appreciate it!
Its not art if you’re not using your own ear to tune each individual element and overall mix. It’s painting by numbers. Just ask Mozart!
Tuning in fl studio is easy. Just pull up Edison
Bruhhhhhhhh just show us the most effective way not several ways to be confused. Music is NOT math
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Love the video, not ur vocal-fry voice...😊
great video.... but stop that vocal fry
ffs bro wrap it up and get to the point