Benchmade Puukko 3V vs Lionsteel B40 Sleipner Edge Retention
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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Melon scented baby wipes, Vindland Saga and Polycrystaline diamond suspension are all the rage bro🤘
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I watched this video (and am writing this comment) while on the pot and now I'm self conscious about wiping my tucas with this primitive technology. Also you should still review Cold Steel's 52100 steel in the Drop Forged Hunter.
thank you thank you and thank you , your tests are more than 100% satisfactory all the best to you and give a kiss and hugs to all your pets from my part
I've been using Baby Wipe to clean my Ass ever since I discovered then after my Son was born 😂🤣 , and he's 14yrs old now ..... 👍 🖖
Just want to let you know, and i can think i can speak for all knife enthusiasts, we are very grateful for all the tests and data you provide.
For instance i find the summary on your spreadsheet very useful.
Thank you.
Here I am once again watching a grown man cut rope for way too long 👀
Carlos EDC lol
Are you referring to the poop from the intro?😂
you obviously don't know how to use the 3 seashells,
(like John Spartan).... lol,,
You went from the problems of wiping your bottom to preferring a hollow grind! Apologises if someone else has already pointed that out. It made me chuckle!
Pete that's why here in Europe we use the bidet, once you get used to it and giggling its all good. My Benchmade Puukko was the same (sold it) nice enough knife but not what I'd expected from 3V.
That's why I always used my old roommate's toothbrush to clean my sphincter. Better his toothbrush than accidentally touching my own poo in a wiping mishap.
Thanks, now I can no longer wipe my arse without thinking about you and this intro!
Oh, god. I was on the shitter when I started this video.
I am as well...as I reply to your comment!
Rip
same
Me too😂
Same here
I don't understand what Benchmade was thinking...the whole point of CPM3V is its toughness at high hardness. That blade should be tempered to 62 RC, it would still be very tough and would retain the edge a whole lot better. 56 RC, WTF Benchmade?
Weird how they keep doing that to 3V
@@monkeyfaceII The important thing is they can put "3V" in big letters in all their ads and charge twice as much for it. Once the've got the money their job is done.
How is Cold Steel’s 3V?
@@LuisGonzalez-gl4wc Most makers heat treat 3V to 58-60 RC, Bark River comes to mind. CS is probably the same. That's fine for most purposes, and what I'd want for a big chopper. But for a smaller blade like a puukko, 62-63 RC would be my preference, although I'd almost certainly have to go the custom route.
@@bobaloo2012 The puuko is extremely cheap for 3V I don't know what you're on about
Yeah I’ve heard that benchmade runs all their 3v really soft. The bailout was measured at 55hrc and benchmade said they did it on purpose wtf? Too bad I have a puuko 200. Oh well lol
Thats absurd.... 3v has lots of toughness compared to most knife steels at 60hrc ..... do they think they are making swords?
VicariousReality7 pocket swords apparently lol
I cut some wood . Made a fire. Feather sticks no batoning just simple stuff. Dulled the blade all to hell. I like benchmade but the puuko is way to soft.
How do you like it bro. I've had my Benchmade pukko as an edc work knife for a few months now and I love it
I love that Sleipner steel it takes a wicked mirror polish! I have a shredded carbon fiber ryp hest with it and man with that grind and steel combo that knife is a awesome sauce! Id say that steel is pretty underrated here in the states. I know they love it in Europe. I was just thinking I haven’t seen Cedricandada test this steel out a few days ago and here you are! I telepathically sent you the invoice.. but the toilet paper is all you bud.... 😂
Michigan Truther it is a pretty nice steel. My own problem in the past is that it does rust if you’re in a tropical environment.
He tested the Lionsteel SR11 Sleipner and did 105 cuts org, and 182 cuts after Lansky polisch. I cant understand the 300 cuts here!!??
@@demontazor Edge geometry.
I think the reasoning for a softer blade in a bushcraft blade comes down to field sharpenability. If you were to take a rock and try to sharpen a 56 HRC blade it would be much easier that doing the same thing with a 60HRC blade. Better to lose the edge a bit faster but still being able to sharpen it than using it and then not being able to sharpen it again.
At the end of the day I think it makes little to no difference to us users: would you rather sharpen twice as often or take twice as long to sharpen?
This is one of the few Benchmades that's considered a good value. When it first came out it was celebrated as an affordable way to get a 3V knife. I guess they got that price down by cheaping out on the heat treat.
It generally dousnt effect the cost significantly to get a knife harder than HRC 56.
@Emmo Kaemingk 1095 at 59 HRC is easy to sharpen and perfectly useable, if you aren't going to take advantage of the main thing 3v has that simple steels don't than why should money be wasted on it.
Best opening of all time
....benefits of a standing desk.....i get to dance during the rope cutting............ : D
I follow your steel comparison videos with interest. Sleipner, in my opinion, is not actually a bad steel. If you have the opportunity, can you compare K340 and Sleipner steels, which have very similar compositions, in terms of edge retention and corrosion resistance? I think a video in this context would be enlightening and interesting for us. Thank you...
Hi Pete. Edge holding aside what is your overall opinion of the b40?
Bark river usually offers 3v between 58-60 hrc and their 3v is excellent perhaps benchmade can use a little more hrc in their heat treat? For a little more wear resistance
At 56hrc , they shouldn't call it 3V anymore , it's more like a railroad spike . Why does Benchmade do that crap , especially when they don't tell you . I bet 8cr13mov with a 17° edge will cut close to 180 cuts .
does a bushcraft knife like the 200 need to cut rope forever? I would think it needs to be tough too. Cutting performance depends on a lot of things. Not just the steel itself. Maybe you would get a lot of cuts from 8cr13mv with very thin edge geometry. It would also depend on the medium being cut. It would lose an edge very quickly on the hard stuff. It just doesn't have the ingredients in it to hold an edge for long time.
@@LXT43 - 3V steel is super tough at 60hrc , why would you lower it ? I personally want the edge retention with the toughness , that's why I buy 3V.
56HRC?Kind of a waste of 3V, no?
Hmm, they must be envisioning the end user being stuck with some kind of improvised sharpening medium of relatively low hardness.
Thx for the comparison. Both are great knives but I definitely prefer the sleipner steel after this Test. Close to double the amount of cuts is something to consider and Think about.
Thx for making and sharing this.
Cheers, Mike.
heyy survivalmike! Love your vids man!
"Fluffing the paper" .... makes Beavis and Butthead laugh.
The Bark River 3v you tested did 198 and was 'amazing', the Pukko did 180 and was 'disappointing'?
that was with the chonky bark river grind so yeah. The mirror polish should get a lot higher.
@@CedricAda fair enough, it seems heat treat is more critical than steel, to a point. I have a 200, cant say I am that impressed with my first 3v experience, maybe I'll stick with learning to enjoy sharpening my cheap Moras (which I kind of do) 👍
I also remember Big Brown Bear beating his 200 into an anvil and cutting a 6" nail, so toughness seems likes it is up to spec. Though that may be related to the lower hardness?
yeah most definitely- as long as its harder than the nail (which are generally fairly soft unless galvanized or something) the blade *should* win i those kinds of test
@@CedricAda Fun fact: Nails are usually the result of a drawn (as in pulled through a die) steel that failed a QC test. The steel is usually sent to be annealed as cold drawing steel makes it hard as hell. It's then re-drawn down to whatever nail diameter it suits and turned into nails as there aren't anywhere near as many QC checks. That's why you can hit in a load of nails and some bend and some don't, even from the same 'batch' as they are essentially just crap that failed its main purpose (cold heading) some of the steel can be aluminium rich and therefore naturally softer.
Galvanised nails are no harder because of the galvanising process.
"Young Frankenstein" ref: "It's pronounced Slype-ner!"
I always use wet wipes. 🙂
Be aware "flushable" wet wipes don't break down like TP and often cause blocked pipes
Same here. Two 'scrunched' balls of toilet roll for initial wiping followed by a folded 'pad' and then at least three (often five, depending what I ate earlier) wet-wipes until they're free from 'deposits'. Toilet paper gets flushed away and wet wipes go in the bin, sealed just like dog poo. Takes a while but the weeping pustules are now a thing of the past. Happy days..! ;)
If I’m drinking coffee I’ll put a dab on the paper. Give it a second so you don’t burn your O ring, use left hand because I eat with my right. Continue on looking at my sebenza after I finish. Cheers
How would you feel about doing test on some clone knifes from China, just to see what kind of steel they even use like the 12$ clone falkniven or the clone benchmades etc
Rope103 Mc luv them knives tests the steel on Chinese knives. A lot of the recognizable names have the steel they claim to have. I have a Lionsteel TRE clone - fake titanium, fake cf, more like 8cr than m390 (I had a PMI gun at work). Cost me $100. Although their 8cr does get very sharp. Cheap D2 (Eafengrow) not so much. Ganzo is decent. Twosun, bestech are pretty good these days. Not sure about Xanadu or Maxace. We and Reate of course are good. I get tired of the same old small bearing systems everyone uses on Reate and WE.
Jason Burt wow thx for the good answer, I gave up knife hobby cuz I was spending too much but iv slowly gotten back into it
I prefere toiletpaper instead of wirebrushes :-)
Glad to have chosen the nice lionsteel!
Greetings from Germany
great intro, I couldn't agree more. love your vids man :)
It's about time somebody said it!!!
best intro... ever!
The part about toilet paper has some legitimate points.
I sit on the sink and use warm soapy water, then I dry off with my bath towel.
Love your videos, bro
I have a Closomat Bidet toilet for a full wash and blow dry experience! That’s because I’m tetraplegic, so my hands don’t work.... I understand you also do knife videos...?!
That tp thing.... instant sub!
What do you think about that Lionsteel?
Still haven’t bought a BM and it’s not on the list anytime soon. I prefer hollow grinds too. Btw you should wipe back to the front. Much more effective
How dare you!?
Awesome video Pete. Was really considering either of these knives. Now I know which to get. I still think I might rather the Lionsteel M4 tho. Not sure, what are your thoughts on that and the B40?
nate k I'm also trying to decide between the M4 and B40!
Both great steels if you are rough on you're knives the sleipner would be a better choice for a bushcrafter as m390 is for prone to chipping and would be better as a hunting knife
I have both and prefer the m4, it's just so damm sexy and the edge last forever, hit a staple in a box the other day and it didn't chip!
ryan hurst Perfect. Thank you for the input. That pretty much makes up my mind since I'm all about edge retention and am not too tough on my camp knives. Do you find the 1/4" shorter blade of the 3.75" M4 matters? I'm usually a 4" blade kind of guy.
@@EdgeStoneKnives depends what you are going to use it for, I have so many 4 to 5 inch blades it was actually nice to gave something a little shorter
Hollow grinds?
If your knife is going to have a Rockwell hardness of 56 you might as well use 1.4116 or 420hc rather than expensive 3v.
The test is seems inconclusive due to the Rockwell difference which are vastly different to either knife blade tested
These super steels take half the fun out of owning a knife ...sharpening...BUT I'm getting older and more lazy , I'm trying to get through Y's VIII on my Vita so time is precious😁
My old lionsteel gets scary sharp and holds it for a useful amount of time....
Is that the same steel that's in the folders lionsteel
its in their Sr1 series I think, and the KUR. The TRM is M390 and so are the modern traditionals :)
Best intro ever! 😂🤣😂
When you scrape the cutting edge of the knife across the block to sweep away the rope bits, as you did the second time, you mess up the edge. That invalidates your test, unless you do the exact same thing with the other knife. Unfortunately, that is nearly impossible to replicate. If you must use the knife as a sweeping tool, use the spine.
For a second there, i thought he was going to show us how to wipes our arses with a sharp knife.
My Lionsteel knife (Sleipner) is getting micro chips from just a little bit of wood work.
Heat treatment fail
Or the edge is burned...have you sharpened it yet?
Or there are stones in the wood
Happy new jear
@@memento1469 I have sharpened it 3 times. Tomorrow I'm gonna give it last chance.
@@nemo9919 ok so its defenetly not a burned edge
Take a closeer look at the wood
That crowned spine mmmmmm
Use sandpaper like everyone else mate.
Just use the sink it's more sanitary
For real though bidets are awesome
I haven't even seen one, but they do sound like the superior technique.
yt sucks again it's not tracking my comment history. trying to refresh the buffers.
Fecal etiquette matters.
Why in the fuck would you temper 3V to 56 Rockwell? Oh I know, it must be the melted pot metal from the guns they destroyed! Benchmade does a great heat treat on S30V and I'm not sure what they were thinking here. Toughness? Ease of sharpening? A $12.00 Mora Clipper is more impressive than this nonsense.
Test civivi d2 steel
👍 good work
Always finish with a wet wipe.
Steam cleaning works great, but trust me, it's not the answer.
So we can have sewers that dont clog and back up shit water in our houses as easy.
Asians have been cleaning with water for ages, we must COMBINE the methods, water jet and then paper.
If you’ve ever used your shower head as a bidet...go ahead and hit that subscribe button
Never thought of it like that 🤔. Technology just has not come along in the bathroom has it.... Shit blasters! That’s what we need! Like a water pick for your ass..... patent pending... don’t get any ideas guys.
Bidet.
The puuko is way to soft . Their new 3 v is hardened more . They had to many complaints.
I was my ass with Pellegrino water ...
The wiping method is all wrong , try the pinching method. 😎
They keep it soft so the grinding and finish work is fast and easy in the machines. That small piece of soft 3v with and injection molded handle isn't worth $60. Benchmade is a rip off, and always has been. All show, no go.
Me, I don't trust ant steel with a name that isn't just a combination of letters and numbers. Don't want my steel to look like someone's last name.
Well that would make you a bit of an idiot then , wouldn't it.
i know this was 3 years ago but why should it matter, a good steel is a good steel. no matter what way you look at it lol just boils down to your preference i guess
Stick to the knives. The media portion is getting ridiculous.
Eeew . Gross video Pete.. c'mon.. hollow grinds? Hollow grinds are a FRAUD! "look at me how thin I am ! Oh yeah I cut sooo well .. UNTIL YOU REACH THAT POINT WHERE I START TO CLIMB UP TO SPIN THICKNESS QUICK BUT ITS ALREADY TOO LATE HAHAHAH *ALSO IM WEAK !
Flat is absolute king of course.
I see hollow grinds as a lazy, easy , cheap grind. I really stay clear of them.
Ok, I'm just def not an hollow grind fan.
I think hollow grinds are ok on some knives if done right, for example my case knives are pretty good for many tasks.
WTF?
I had to stop the video. Do you go camping and cut rope like this in the woods? No. Brro, people are idiots! Use knives in real life applications.. these are camp knives...use them 🍥 as such.. we don't go to the woods and cut a rope 150 times. Go out for 3 days and use a knife to do chores. A normal person takes a small folder, a small fixed blade, and a larger fixed blade while there out in the woods. They don't sit out there with 500 feet of 2 inch rope that cost 160 dollars and say....hey I'm gonna trash all this rope cause I want to make a video.dont do this shit!. Go out and do your thing 2 different times that's a real test
Immediately after watching this video I ran a garden hose in through my bathroom window....
yt sucks again it's not tracking my comment history. trying to refresh the buffers.
That intro had we woke af
benchmade once again underwhelms us for too much money
guncotton 1 interesting I have some 3V from BM and I thought it was soft
guncotton 1 the 200 is $125-$146 where else can you find a 3v knife for less that $150?
Cold Steel Master Hunter in 3V or a number of other models they have in 3V - The Benchmade has a bad heat treat and my view is that putting the Benchmade name and the logo 3V on a knife that sux does not make the knife sux any less or worth any more its just crap
just like to add that i would prefer the Benchmade to have a well heat treated 1095 blade than way sub par 3V
guncotton 1 yeah cold steel seems to do a good heat treat on pretty much any steel they use
It's been 24 hours since I watched this, and it's officially your most haunting video. I'll be spending New Year's Eve boiling everything in the house, but nothing will ever be clean enough again! Thanks, Pete.
I know all lionsteels ive touched have all had very very good heat treats
@@kroodle8 let me know how it is mate 😊
Yup, i have currently 6 of them and they all are heat treated perfectly!
the bushcraft knife doesnt have to have the best edge retention. but they should have made that 3V 60-63hrc. especially for the folders they made in 3v. they really dont know what they are doing. alas, its not a bad knife, just poor derision making for the materials used.
lionsteel does a decent job with Sleipner. wish they would have avoided m390, because the heat treatment they use is for corrosion resistance and not edge retention, not to mention baking the steel from grinding making it worse.
Great test. Benchmade could have used a few more hrc on their 3v! 3v should be tough enough for a blade that size and geometry at 59, am I wrong? Probably a bad heat treat. When I sharpened customer knives at the store Benchmade had more soft blades come through than the other recognizable brands we saw. That said when they’re right, Benchmade knives are nice.
I’m a bit moderate on the topic, I generally am happy with any knife crossing over the 150cuts line. Translates to a lot of good cutting. I think they could get more ‘out’ of the steel though, as companies like Bark River and Guardian and many others have done and continue to do. But this knife sells for about the same price as a Mora Garberg Carbon does here, so price for price I don’t feel too concerned with the blade performance per dollar 😊
@@CedricAda benchmade may have done that intentionally if it was intended to be a true bushcraft knife, making it a bit easier to sharpen in the field with more basic equipment
Years down the road! The pukko is now between 60-62 according to benchmade
3v at 56? Damn man for a puukko ? I woulnd even go 56 on a sword let along a small puukko... Such a shame and glad you do these ... Becouse benchmade 3v so far is crap! While the s30v they do is real good. Softer isnt better benchmade! 3v max toughness comes at 58-60 not 56 so its less tough, less retention and for what ? So its easy to sharpen in the field ? So are 10€ mora's ... Or is it just becouse this heattreat is cheap as fuck? If so then stop charging benchmade prices.
Im not too fancy with what knife steels I buy. I have both low-end and high-end knife steels. They all dull eventually. The higher-end knife steels require much more elbow work to put an edge back on them. For this reason, I usually gravitate to my low-end knives because they're just way more convenient to sharpen. I do find it amazing that people convince themselves that 3v is just better than many other knife steels. Any actual tests I see with 3v show it's a pretty mediocre steel. I have nothing against 3v, but I don't believe it's as superior as people make it sound.
What makes 3v special is not the edge retention it’s the toughness.
Benchmade needs a new President, Same with Fender Guitars...anyone see where I'm going with this.....feel free to disagree with what I say, but I'm right.
You get on top, you start to slip. It's the circle of life
What's the deal with Fender now? I know about the issues Gibson had but Fender I thought had remained fairly uncontroversial
@@joshstarkey8883 They are "for the most part" regurgitated crap based on 50's and 60's designs, despite their best efforts, the guitars aren't really getting any better, as far a sound is concerned, not saying they sound terrible, but they don't sound like the Pre CBS Fenders...I can't figure out for the LIFE of me why the old ones sound so good, but by and by they sound like "Living" instruments that have tones and textures within tones and textures, and nuance. They're like a sonic all you can eat buffet. Fenders since sound like lifeless, dead. They've tried hand winding the pickups, using super expensive tonally selected wood, going back to Nitro lacquer, and still, they're not the same. All this technology from TODAY, and they can't recreate planks of wood, magnets and miracles, and basic wiring from the 50's and 60's ! ....As for Benchmade....Benchmade produces WAY too many models of knives, over complicates things, overcharges, for them, doesn't have the best in production heat treat, get's stuck in it's ways. Benchmade is anything but "Bench-made" their quality control has been slipping before Pete even got into all this, their designs are stale and uninspiring. They Kill their few good designs, they don't refine and improve enough. There are far better locks than the Axis lock, that are Far stronger and can't accidentally, close on you as easily, for a variety of reasons. "Bench-made" was cool and awesome back in the 90's when they had BALLS and were doing titanium blades with tungsten backing.(not say that, that was the best, but it was DAMN cool, and innovative !!!) Back when they were trying to Push the Limit for production knives, and knives in general. The heads of Fender and Benchmade need to come back to America. Sorry for All the people this will offend, but We've tried diversity for a number of years, and it isn't working ! Oh, and then there's BM (
Hey Pete hope you’re doing okay in the fires cant wait for the next video. My prayers are with you and your family.
I have seen more than one cutting test of Benchmade knives where it took quite a few sharpenings to get the edge holding up - most likely because the edge was overheated during final steps of production. Makes me wonder whether it was the same case here ...
In all fairness whenever Bohler goes head to head against Crucible, Bohler usually wins by a hair I’ve tested 20cv against m390 and somehow m390 was a little more consistent when it came to stropping so I asked an experienced person I know and he also agreed that Bohler’s stuff was slightly more consistent with their pms maybe a good idea for one of your videos pete? As a subscriber and regular viewer, may I make a request you do an experiment video testing Bohler samples vs Crucible samples?
O benchmade fckd up so bad with this catsht heat treatment of 3v... what were they thinking?!)
@HKGuns 100% of their political contributions go to gun grabbing Democrats. Once the guns are gone they come after the knives.
As fate and cruel irony would have it I was eating peanut butter out of a jar when this video started. I think it's time for a long fast now. Pete: when he gets inside your head you just got to let it happen and hope for the best.
What you've really done is start a debsste on "butt cleaning". :) Toilet paper only vs bidet vs toilets w/ bult-in bidets... LOL! Has any one actually thought about the effectiveness of using a "bidet" really? ..water sprayed upward...spreading the nasty germs filled "left-over" all over our bottoms...do people spend then time to wipe their entire bottoms? or the ediges of the bidet, the floor where a lof of the spray will also land? The walls...etc. :)) Marketing.
First of all, the 3 "S"s must be performed in a very specific order.
Shhhhb, shower and shave.
If it any point the order gets confused, you gotta go back to the beginning and START OVER!
Now.....as for the knives.
Do NOT confuse knife and toilet paper.....EVER!
That is all.
I have a bidet it’s much smarter to wash your ass than to smear shit around .. hollow grinds are quite nice :)
You tested the Lionsteel SR11 Sleipner, 105 cuts and 182 cuts after the Lansky. Now 300 cuts with the B40????
my edges are getting better, its one of the variables ive acknowledged in my previous vids. Since ive stuck with the KME things have stayed pretty constant. You could almost view
these tests as having three main phases: Worksharp 20° per side, 2000 grit lansky, and now KME which is generallt 17° per side unless otherwise stated
@@CedricAda Thanks , and happy New year!
you should put shit references at the end if you have a choice in the matter
thats undertale music
LMFAO to the first part of this vid
You have no idea how long I have pondered about why we the Americas still use toilet paper. I've always thought about it like like having a muddy truck. Imagine watching your neighbor try to clean the mud off his truck using only a towel. You would think he was insane. But over 1 billion people smear shit on their ass daily and its business as usual.
Amazing how the same steel from different companies can be so markedly different. S30v from Benchmade vs spyderco for example and also apparently 3v..
CMP.3V not S30v
He's talking about how the same steel can be a lot different from different companies not only 3v
I really like your videos - one of the more accurate and scientific ones on UA-cam, for this video I think people don't understand that the ease of sharpening is quite important for field use, which is exactly what you want for a bush craft knife, benchmade did it right, I wish people wouldn't be so naive. Also 56HRC on 3v is very different from a 440c or s30v at 56HRC for example. You don't judge a knife purely by edge retention just like you don't just judge a car by its top speed.
Better edge retention = less need to sharpen vs ease of sharpening = need to sharpen more often, some would rather have to sharpen less often
Emmo Kaemingk yes there should, I said this because there was a huge outrage about the low hardness on this steel when it came out(I did two response videos on my channel if you are curious) people said it is a waste of steel doing 3v at 56HRC, and it is better off to do 154cm or s30v softer if you want the lowered hardness for better toughness. But I like to have my doubts about what most of people think because most of people are not engineers. And I noticed Benchmade Bush craft knives or tactical knives don’t tend to use very fancy high wear resistance steels like M390 or s90v, I think that is because when you are in the field you won’t have your fancy diamond sharpener or your edge pro. And believe me when you cutting something less predictable than cupboards or rope you very likely will damage the blade by knocking on a rock or something hard, or cut open a tin can because you didn’t bring the can opener, bend or chip your edge. You may have to repair the edge on a rock, who knows, that is why I think they put the 3v on a lowered hardness. Besides, at 56HRC the 3v steel cut 180 times of this rope is pretty impressive, try that with s30v, 1095 or 154cm at 56HRC.
D Kim I know that is what people generally think, but when you look at real world use when you go to the wood for example(in the wildness or if you are a deployed soldier) you don’t actually cut cupboards all day, you cut a lot of different types of things, the pure wear resistance side of the knife is not as important as toughness or edge maintainability, you may accidentally knock your knife on a piece of rock, you may have to cut open a tin of can, your edge will dull sooner than when you just cut ropes or cupboards. You try to sharpen your knife, but you don’t have a edge pro with you like when you are at home. That is when you find out using lower quality sharpener like a small whetstone is not that great to sharpen something like a 3v at 60HRC. On the other side I found Benchmade have been doing pretty good heat treatment for many of their steels, you think they suddenly give up on that and just do a bad job? I reserve my sense of doubt that general no technical people are just looking at a single number on a piece of paper to judge a product. I have done two UA-cam videos on defending their choices, it is on my channel if you are curious(not that most of people today want to over think anything before they just judge a well established company) thanks.
@@Iamthedudeman00 Easily available diamond and ceramic stones (e.g. DC4) make the small whetstone argument sort of moot these days. A harder edge will hold up better no matter what is being cut, within reason, given a good heat treat. There are some good videos of straight up abuse of 3V blades at 60+HRC that hold up better than one would expect. I think production knife companies err on the side of "tough" i.e. soft because you have to account for the lowest common denominator in terms of knife abuse, but that doesn't make it optimal for cutting performance. The myth of the badass knife that you can use as a prybar is what is holding back the industry from producing knives with better geometry and harder heat treats.
D Kim well you have your point, I agree to some extent, but all I am saying is that Benchmade is not cheating people by doing 56HRC on their knives and I don’t think everyone will remember to bring a diamond sharpener and not everyone have the time, patience and skill to sharpen a knife at a very high hardness. I have seen such videos you are talking about and I found often when I am using my knives doing similarly abusive things my knives tend to become dull faster than those videos, it is hard to repeat what they did for some reason.(actually a few weeks ago I tried to cut a plastic wire with my Spyderco ZDP189, not knowing there was a few metal strands inside it, it was really tough to cut though and when I finally cut it through I found my knife went from real sharp to dull in a just few cuts. It actually rolled the edge instead of chipped but it didn’t help much because you can’t really just straighten these high hardness steels by honing it, you tend to have to remove the material that was bent. I hated to sharpen the ZDP189 because it takes a bit of work to get it from dull to sharp, even with a diamond stone. Lucky I was at home and could watch a movie as well as sharpening the knife so I don’t get bored) I can understand general soldiers or campers may not have the time or patience to sit there and do this for 20 to 30 minutes, depending their skill.
After 2 year of test, i'am secure, the Sleipner and Niolox are two steel fantastic. The fortune of Lionsteel, ok the quality but more this 2 steel... Ciao dall'Italia....