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Not gonna lie I thought the awkward widescreen was a meta-joke about the movie's production and I was really confused when there was never a punchline mentioned lol
It's really funny to me that 4 million years of war on cybertron wasn't enough to turn Optimus into a war criminal but after 5 years on Earth he said 'Fuck it' and started executing prisoners and surrendering soldiers
I still remember when this movie was being filmed here in Chicago. People here were crowding the streets downtown watching all the explosions being filmed and when the film premiered in theatres, every showing in the area cheered when the Decepticons turned our city into a carnival shooting gallery.
@@MrAsianPie we just wanted something to alleviate the pain of not having any parts of the Dark Knight Rises filmed here while New York and Pittsburgh took all the spotlight.
@@WingMaster562 And that's why Bayverse is viewed with so much SCORN and disgust, rightfully so! Bayverse Optimus is anathema to the concept of Optimus Prime itself since his very creation based on the Diaclone toy of Convoy. "If he we're more ruthless, he'd be a better military commander, but then he wouldn't be Optimus Prime."
Fun fact: my dad's coworker Dave is in this movie. They just walked into weather squadron and asked if people who weren't busy wanted to be in the background of the Nasa bits.
@@a.morphous66 it's really not character assassination not in the same sense as ST Jake Skywalker or Master cheeks from the Galo TV show. Bayverse Optimus always came across as somewhat of a more realistic take on Optimus Prime where he's more of a Wartorn Soldier whose over time more and more broken down by war.
Killing a surrendering enemy wasn't the bad part gor Optimus in this. It was not dropping a sick oneline like in the 86 film. "You who are without mercy, now plead for it?"
@@Keithchan2024 ok, considering it's megatron were talking about, and that megs has spent the past 5 years in the TF universe making life on earth a living hell, I think optimus is a little justified in taking out the evil before him. Sentinel I'm a bit mixed on, although he did conspire with megs to enslave all of humanity then essentially doom earth to death once they were no longer necessary so I can sympathize with his ultimate decision. Would've been better for sentinel to he put up for a trial and executed under the legal system, but hey, he's a giant war robot fire truck, there's a good chance he could escape.
that "takeover of chicago" scene always gives me the chills. it has that "you now know how powerful transformers are in their tech. there is nothing we can do." aesthetic
Yea while i really want Transformers for a more mature audience (with actual good storys) they wrote Optimus completely out of character a lot of the time in these movies (Yes i understand these films weren't mature but i like that they didn't hold back on the violence)
@@jammygamer8961 i disagree i feel that intentional or unintentionally they made a more Realistic take on Optimus. the Optimus in the bayfilms feels very much like a Soldier whose been fighting a war for too damn long and he's just over time started to lose who he is and what he's fighting for. he's almost like a deconstruction of the character as opposed to be out of character. he feels very much like what Optimus would turn into if you took the Cybertronian war and put it into a more realistic setting. Optimus is an aspiring hero to the Autobots but he's not this perfect "dad/jesus" bot that does no wrong. he's a different version of Optimus. it's not the first time either that the franchise toyed around with the darker asspects to Prime's character transformers Armada did very much imply that Optimus is very much just as responsible for the war as Megatron is and that he's just as war hungry.
@@jammygamer8961 Violence doesn't always make something mature though. Hell this movie is a perfect example of the opposite happening. Too much unnessecary violence can make something feel immature.
Seeing this in theaters as a teenager, I remember being pissed that Ironhide's death was acknowledged by literally nobody. This badass was one of the OGs and he doesn't even get a passing mention of grief from Optimus or Ratchet.
@@Lifeislikeadoughnut Peter Cullen told Bay that he was uncomfortable saying lines like that. Instead of asking Cullen why, he just said do it. That shows that Bay was not curious at all about constructing characters. He's just good at blowing shit up.
Fun fact, In the 2011 daytona 500 parade laps, there were 3 cars out with the other cars that were exact replicas of the Nascar cars from this movie, with all the guns and armor on them. The announcers even compared them to the other cars on track.
“Are we the baddies?” Ultron: Spends 5 minutes on the internet and decides humanity has gots to go Optimus: Spends a few years on earth and becomes increasingly brutal Humans in the Bayformers films: Side with the Decepticons on numerous occasions
Except it's way more believable for Palpatine bc we kno why he came back, and how to a degree. What exactly was the fuel rod for, and why dud the Decepticons need it?
@@pharaohbubbles1547 my brother in Christ, Palps fell into the fucking core of an exploding Death Star. The Russians might simply have retrieved their rovers with samples- and the engine piece. In any case, that engine piece allowed the reactor in Chernobyl to function apparently.
Old man Buzz Aldrin once threw hands with a dude trying to call the moon landing a hoax. He's a total badass and gets all the bad cameos that he wants IMO
Actually, he was asked to swear on the Bible that he walker on the moon, and he refused to do it, got angry, and picked a fight... I'm Sorry but, no! Nobody has ever been to the moon!
@@Name-ot3xw have you ever seen the clip of him answering a little girl Who asked him "why hasn't anyone been back to the Moon in such a long time?" and he replied with "That's my question, i wanna know. But i think i know... it's because we didn't go there. And that's why It happend..." and then goes on trying to save the Fraudian slip by attempting to clarify that he meant "we didn't go back" but the dage was already done. You can avoid the facts all you want. Refuse to look into It or whatever but, it's undeniable at this point. No matter what you believe in, nobody has ever been to the Moon. That's a fact!
TF3 is the most accurate media depiction of Chicago I’ve ever seen. Most Hollywood productions set there usually just gloss over the brutal street violence, executions and war crimes that the city is so well loved for. It’s nice to finally see the city’s culture adapted to the big screen
@@jammygamer8961 some continuities, yes like the alligned continuity (transformers prime beast hunters), IDW and cyberverse. You know transformers lore does have moments of depth and nuance to its lore. It's pretty underrated. I mean the fact that there were other planets in the universe that were colonized by cybertronians does show that in the grand scale, the huge civil war was relatively localised (yes it was a planet size war but the key word is relative). The whole concept of sparks and where energon comes from does some some mysticism as well as confirming that they aren't just simply robots that can turn into cars. The fact that the main planet of cybertron itself is in fact a god who may or may not be nigh omnipresent across the multiverse long with unicron.
I was obsessed with the Michael Bay movies as a little kid, and I am not kidding when I say that I legitimately cried when the Autobots’ fakeout death happened.
When the Chicago invasión happened for I moment I thought the Autobots were truly dead and it was just going to be a grim showing of the Decepticons conquering earth
I sometimes randomly do a impression of Sentinel Prime dying for my sister ("Everything I did...Was for the good of my race...Wait! No! Optimus, Please!!!" *screams*) she's never seen a Transformers.
I love how evil Optimus Prime becomes as the series progresses. By the fourth movie his first words are "I'll kill you!" While wildly trying to murder anyone within his grasps
I like the progression because the whole time its about being a little diplomatic .. killing when necessary for survival but because he has put up with Megatrons shits for so long, awakening Sentienal only for him to betray his trust and make his credibibly fail with in the US Government and world. Being the only prime left and seeing how these guys say they only want to take one single life but yet have killed hundreds in their hunt to terraform/destory the Earth. No more Mr nice guys. Not mention, he warned the government about what would happen if the Autobot were kicked off this earth thinking the Decepticons where only after the Autobots and INFACT they weren't, they were after the resource and technology store or this planet ... a point had to proven that not only were the decepticons full of shit but they were DANGEROUS, liars and decievers but in fact this world NEEDS the Autobots to be present in order protect the world from the vile shit Decepticons have cooked up.
TF1 Optimus: we will never hurt humans even if they kill bumblebee TF2 Optimus: we will fight for humans, even if there might be collateral human damage, i will sacrifice myself to protect a human boy TF3 Optimus: I won't hurt humans, but i will brutally massacre anything else TF4 Optimus: and then I pulled out my autocannon, yelled "I'll kill you all" and then strafe a tightly grouped humans from 20m away
That scene where the Army Rangers use superior tactics to blind the Decepticon group with high powered sniper rifles, then immobilize them with planted anti-armor explosives and then finish them off is still frickin awesome.
Tbh I'm opposite. I am someone completely fine with the nature of this movie franchise with one main gripe I have is how weak the Decepticons could be against human weaponries especially after the first movie. I thought it was lame and made them look incompetent.
@@langletprolet8378 The humans fighting Decepticons in TF3 are the NEST (and Navy SEALS) who've had substantial experience fighting Decepticons. They are all aiming for the joints or eyes (or other sensors) with specialised ammunitions. Plus it took several of them to take down one Decepticon. I wouldn't say it made the Decepticons weak or incompetent, it just showed that humans actually aren't that powerless in front of Transformers
@@Cyan_Nightingale I'm just gonna wave that away by saying 1.) City. With even afew seconds to take cover they could've avoided the missiles by just making them hit buildings 2.) Maybe they had AA? They had the city under control 3.) It's a Michael Bay movie. It's all about spectacle.
Honestly the best part of this film for me was Sentinal using Spock's "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" line but as a villainous excuse instead of a heroic self-sacrifice.
You know, I'll say this. Mikaela was quite underrated in the first movie. She has a backstory with her dad being in prison, a skill that works for the story, had some actually depth to her character, and straight up saved Bumblebee while Sam was freaking out, and then proceeded to help kill Brawl! She was the shit. Like Thew said, she was too good for Sam. Shame about losing her.
In another universe (and with a different director) Mikaela could have been the protagonist and I think that would have made for a significantly stronger series
@@caitlineder6950 totally agreed. Mikeala should have been the protagonist rather then love interest, and Spielberg should have been the director rather then the producer.
@@caitlineder6950 Sam was only the main character cause bay wanted a character the teen males that played transformers and watched action movies could relate too.2018 bumblebee movie proved you could have a female lead in transformers without alienating the target demographic.
Trying to understand the Transformers movie cannon and its "logic" feels like trying to solve a puzzle with your elbows only to find out that none of the pieces were part of the same puzzle to begin with
@@pharoahcaraboo9610 The first three are Kind of connected though you go to do mental gymnastics though it's light compared to the one's you have to do for the fourth and fifth
thing is if you take out TF 2 4 and 5 from the equation and only consider TF1 and TF 3 it makes perfect sane narratively. TF3 feels like an actual Sequal to the first film because Revenge of the fallen kinda starts nowhere and ends nowhere and feels very much like it's own self contained film.
@@michaelkean5969 Pretty much, I mean the second movie introduced the Matrix of Leadership but you could just ignore that and pretend Prime always had the Matrix like he does in most Transformers media
I like how the Fallen is only even mentioned in the 2nd movie even though he's basically the reason any of the movies happened when you really think about it. He founded the Decepticons and was a mentor to Megatron, and yet was treated like he had no importance.
I like the alternate ending a lot. I feel like it fits Megatron as a character. Dude is just tired of fighting by the end and wants to go home. I like that a lot more than him just dying for nothing.
Bro got his ass handed to him on a silver platter every single fight after the first film. He was mutilated and mauled by the end of ROTF and became everyones punching bag in DOTM. It would've been way better if they stuck with the og ending and had a peace treaty
The TF movies unwittingly read as a fascinating story of Optimus Prime’s journey into villainy. He’s his mostly optimistic self in TF1. But then he’s ripping apart faces in TF2, committing war crimes in TF3, and actively raiding human compounds in TF4. He even gets his first human kill in TF4. What a great “war is hell” message to see Optimus so worn down and embittered by war that he becomes everything he stood against.
i don't think Optimus is becoming a Villian in as much he's becoming a more realistic hero who has started to forgo his ideals to ensure that the war is finally able to come to an end he feels very much like a young naive soldier who stood proud for his ideals and bought into the propaganda but as time and the war has gone on he's become more jaded and brutal and his ideals and morality just nothing more than just a facade he tells himself over and over.
@@michaelkean5969, and one of the great things about OG Optimus is that de defies that idea. He doesn't get worn down and jaded by the war (at least not in front of people), and despite everything that happens to him and his team, he stills tries to lead by example and commit as little war crimes as possible. I'm still hoping for the day that TFP Optimus and Bayformers Optimus somehow meet and just see the absolute mess of what that leads to.
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 Oh it was 100% by accident. Bay Prime is like if IDW Star Saber was looked up to and seen by the "good guys" as his G1 counterpart but the script still has him talk and act like IDW Crusader Saber.
11 year old me was so in love with this movie. It was so amazing that when all hope was genuinely lost for the audience. When we were sure we needed a miracle for Witwicky to live, and we knew one couldn’t come. And then Boom comes the first shot. And in milliseconds the audience is thinking is it the army? It can’t be autobots. Screw that, it’s the flipping miracle. IT WAS SO COOL. Clearly people would die in this movie; I was genuinely scared we would lose main characters. I’m 23 today, you can’t take this from me. It was the coolest scene in any movie I’ve watched. I was fully emotionally captivated at the time. What an experience. I don’t think I’ve ever felt like that since. Maybe avengers endgame when the whole universe comes to fight thanos. Hate on Michael Bay. He gave me a lot of the best movies of my childhood and teenage years. Meanwhile teaching me that the main character is always nice and is willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. Like Tom hollands Spider-Man. Nobody will take my love for dark of the moon from me
Another PG-13 movie that gets away with brutal violence thanks to the "If it's robots it doesn't count!" rule was Alita: Battle Angel. You had arms in eye sockets, spines ripped out, faces sliced off, and a little dog obliterated just off screen. That movie was wild bro.
Pacific Rim got away with it as well with the Kaiju gore, they were literally being mutilated, bisected, and burned yet because they're monsters it still doesn't count lmao
@deen2099 That's true, but also, as specified in the film, they were literally bespoke alien extermination bio-machines. I don't think they would even have any level of reproductive capability as a group, which makes specifying them as a "species" or even an "animal", as we understand the idea, pretty difficult. Like, animals generally seek to avoid conflict and unnecessary risk and physical violence, if only out of a desire to perpetuate their genes before dying. Seeking-out conflict and violence was all the PR Kaiju did, their own "lives" apparently notwithstanding. They were pretty much just tools, ie. weapons designed to destroy via the weapon's own destruction. They were about as much animals as one of the Robowars contestants or an FPV drone was a sentient AI. So I agree that the violence was pretty graphic and horrific when you think about it, and it was definitely neither received that way by the audience nor intended by the film-makers to be received as such, which I'm sure was a satirical point. It felt a lot different than, say, Godzilla taking a hit in any of the new Monsterverse films, which raises interesting questions like the ones you posited, eg "when is violence "bad", and what makes it feel that way to us, but only sometimes?". The whole movie has a certain Verhoeven feel, but that part in particular, now that you mention it, reminds heavily of the Robocop bit of "ED-209 shooting an exec into paste is funny, Clarence Boddicker's gang doing the same thing to Murphy a few minutes later is soul-crushing". In PR, the audience really has more empathy for damage done to the mechanical Jaegers than the biological Kaijus, which is quite a feat.
We were robbed an actual proper ending that would’ve showed character growth for both the hero and the villain. Oh well, the funny megaman’s head went off.
On the one hand, it would have been more narratively satisfying for the hero and villain of the franchise to team up to destroy the living embodiment of the endless glorification of war between their people, and finally take steps towards establishing a lasting peace and ultimately rekindling their relationship as brothers-in-arms, no longer bound to an eternity of bloodshed. On the other hand, seeing the robot rip the other robot's head off makes my monkey brain go OOOOOOOOOH
Imo the original ending would've been weird as Megatron and the cons just got done massacring a whole city and Prime just let him go and trusting he's actually changed. Also when I saw the original ending it seemed way too wordy to have a satisfying ending to the trilogy. Plus the "Time to find out" actually sends chills down my spine every time I hear it along with the music too
I’m glad you brought up the soundtrack (21:15). I feel like Steve Jablonsky does not get a lot of credit for The Score he made for this franchise. The movies are not perfect, but the soundtrack is amazing and Dark Of The Moon is my favourite out of all five. I just wish iTunes and Spotify didn’t remove this film’s Score from their website. God Bless Steve Jablonsky.
What always killed me was how, in each movie, there were characters that just showed up and disappeared with no explanation and in each movie there's this "ultimate powerful thing" or a shit load of robots hanging out somewhere that was just forgotten about. Like, Megatron just forgot about the shit ton of decepticons on the moon or he wasn't told and you'd think that would have been mentioned at some point..
If you want something even weirder than all that, Barricade, the Police Car Decepticon, is the only Decepticon to survive more Movies than any other Decepticon in the entire film series. The dude was here since since the first film and lived all the way to the fifth before possibly being killed by Bumblebee.
@@electricfeverx976 Barricade is such a bizarre character. He disappears entirely from the first film, despite being one of the most prominent Decepticons; returns and is promptly killed off at the end of "The Veiled Threat," a prequel novel that takes place before "Revenge of the Fallen,"; appears once again in "Dark of the Moon," and somehow isn't murdered along with the rest of the Decepticon Army; never shows his face for the entirety of the fourth film; and is back again for the fifth film.
Fun fact. This movie and Kung Fu Panda 2 were released on the same year, and they both had a scene where the characters had to escape a building being toppled over from the inside.
“This evil thing’s looking at me!” is my favorite line in any of these movie’s. It’s so lazy and weird that it wraps around to being hilarious and great.
The human side of the big fight felt straight out of a Battlefield campaign. You could play the BF4 main theme during the collapsing tower sequence and it fits the scene like a glove.
Bits of call of duty in their too. Over the top scenarios where the characters miraculously survive, unlocking a massive conspiracy, big chase scene, having to get to a certain point where you have to capture someone part of the conspiracy and prematurely kill them, jumping out of an osprey and somehow surviving, sniping on top of buildings, planting explosives on certain areas, calling in an air strike, using a canon to knock down a certain object, massive fight between the hero and villain where the hero ends up losing, but someone else comes in to help, then the hero finishes the job, having to do everything yourself, and finally a cliffhanger ending that completes the main story (probably a few I forgot)
Uhh.. but BF4 (2012 - console/2013 - PC) is released after Bay's Transformers 3 (2011). It more looks like Call of Duty MW3 (2011) to me, even the setting is city battle.
That actually makes a lot of sense because in most of the other continuities he's a scientist that would go to any length to gain an advantage against his opposition. At one point he literally cloned FUCKING DINOSAURS to increase the strength of the Decepticon army, so the idea that he would just teleport a planet next to another one to more efficiently tap its resources is definitely something he would do(regardless of how bonkers that idea is).
IMO, Shockwave was wasted potential. In the original iterations he was an absolute menace and even in the movie, that shot where he stood staring with the debris and shit falling around him gave me those good chills. A shame he didn’t really do too much.
In the game that came out before the movie, he was literally the main bad guy and hypes him up so much. I was so mad seeing him being relegated in the movie.😊
The major problem with transformers is that the transformers themselves are SECONDARY characters to their own movie. The humans were too much of a focus (Sam has hours of screen time while Optimus is under an hour), hell even in the new bumblebee movie the deceptions were still pretty undermined but they were still utilized well enough as villains.
Yeah it's like the recent Godzila movies. Like no one give a fuck about a family drama I came for the Godzila not some 40 yrs olds arguing who's a better parent.
A thing I also like in this movie is Soundwave being an amazing spymaster and pulling off the conspiracy pretty much on is own. Heck, this might be the most efficient Decepticon in the 5 films.
The betrayal and Ironhide’s death was one of the most shocking things I’ve ever seen as a kid. Really blew me away and made me hate the villains. Which is awesome for a movie to be able to do.
Just blew your 5 year old brain to bits, didn't it? I was a teen at the time and even now as an adult it hurts to think about how dirty Ironhide was done. I miss him, Jazz, and Ratchet ; - ;
I never looked into it, but I definitely noticed how much it felt like Carly was meant to be Mikaela. Her dialog with Megatron is definitely more something Mikaela would know to do than Carly.
exactly. at that point Mikaela and had seen each other enough for him not to kill her on site for her audacity. It was weird to see him listen to this rando woman.
@@0g0mogosepikworld31 And it shows how there isn't much to these characters beyond the surface level stereotypes that are vaguely relatable. Motor crazed chick? Check. Average fuckup of a joe? Check. Some of the most stereotypical, clueless parents I have ever seen? Check. 3 letter agency guy that gets kicked out, and goes slightly unhinged? Ok you know what? He is a fun character. Stereotypes can be fun if actually played around with, see the game Team Fortress 2 and it's short movies for that. Transformers, with few exceptions, have boring characters that only serve to have some relatable characters. You don't watch Transformers for Sam or... Whatever her name is again. You watch Transformers to see massive CGI robots duke it out. It's the ultimate fast food of movies.
PointlessHub had to point it out for me, it just makes way more sense that Carly working w cars is a carryover from Mikaela, as well the triangle dynamic making way more sense w Mikaela involved
I always liked how the deceptions are more willing to take prisoners while going for the spark for every kill (instant death) while the autobots kill in the most brutal ways while not taking prisoners.
Did you not see what they did to Chicago? Did you not see how they were going destroy the Earth to recreate Cybertron? My guy, those decepticons deserved to die.
Deceptions are soldier class (cybertron has a caste system), auto bots aren’t soldier class. This explains why the deceptions are so quick to eliminate. I don’t know why the auto bots are so brutal though it doesn’t make sense.
@@shoazdon7000 it's because the bay movies pay more attention to being entertaining than being accurate. Autobots in general in this franchise are the ones more willing to take in prisoners almost regardless of who that decepticon may be. Decepticons are a solid 50/50. Either they take you prisoner or kill you immediately or both. Autobots only kill when they're in battle, otherwise they take cons in as prisoners of war only. THAT is how it should be in these films but of course...Bay isn't a fan so...what can you expect
I do think it's pretty hardcore that over the films, Optimus loses more of his friends and crew over the movies then by Dark of The Moon some of his closest friends were dead, which in my opinion creates this feeling that he's losing, ironically, any sense of holding back his rage and thats why he's become someone who fights like a villain more than a hero.
Fun Fact: The voice of optimus Peter Cullen didn't want to say the line, " We will kill them all." Because he says Optimus wouldn't say that. But Michael Bay told him in an Angrily Tone to just say it!!
Feel for Culler - voiced the character so well for so many years and was finally forced the betray him for another sociopathic Bayhem wasteland of a film
I don't know if I've seen anyone point this out, but Dark of The Moon is just a slightly modified version of the G1 series of episodes "Megatron's Master Plan" combined with "The Ultimate Doom". Megatron turns humans against the Autobots. That's lifted from Megatron's Master Plan. Cybertron is brought into Earth's orbit. That's from The Ultimate Doom. Autobots are forced to leave on a human ship. Megatron's Master Plan AGAIN. Decepticons enslaving humanity is from those episodes too. Decepticons working with humans is from those episodes. Megatron taking the Lincoln Memorial and sitting on it as a throne is just lifted directly from G1. It's either the Master Plan episodes again, or "Atlantis, Arise!" Either way, it's still just the 80s again. The first three movies are just G1 plot lines but made more edgy. Sun harvester? "Changing Gears". World travel? Season 2 is full of it. Carly as a character was lifted from G1, though she has zero resemblance to the 80s character besides being blonde and the love interest of the main human character. There's probably more that I'm forgetting too.
Now that I think about it , they could’ve used Ironsides death as a way to fuel Optimus’s rage. Giving a reason as to why he killed Sentinel. “This is for ironhide” *BOOM* and then for megatron, “you were the reason behind this” A perfect exavme is in the 4th movie when Optimus sees the people at KSI melting Ratchets head, he then goes in and fucks up the place.
Except killing Sentinel for that reason, that was in the movie alone (feeling betraied) is reason enough, no need for a "revenge". In Bayformers 1 (2007), Megs killed Jazz and OP didn't go for him to KILL HIM TO AVENGE HIS FRIEND, he still tried to sacrifice himself, rather than killing Megs outright, but it was Sam pushing the cube into Mega's chest, that killed him. So putting personal feelings for the loss of a friend aside was totally in character for OP in TF3. Also Megs wasn't the whole reason "behind this", it was Sentinel, he came up with the "truce" with the Decepticons. Sentinel was the mastermind behind all that. Yes, Megatron was evil and whatnot, but had like zero influence over Sentinel's plan. Sentinel even scolded Megs in one scene like a dog to "show him his place", not something you see as an interaction between completely balanced partners in crime. Sentinel had the main word in their agreement. And Optimus knew both characters well to realize that. He killed Megatron for other reason, than "being behind it all". There's also an unused early draft (well, it got incorporated into the novelisation of DotM, I think), where Megs doesn't get killed, instead OP reaches for him, giving him a hand and they return to Cybertron rebuilding it together. The movie was supposed to end like that originally, but Bay decided it wouldn't work well, so Megs got killed by Optimus. There really is no reason for "this is for Ironhide" and "you were behind all of this". EDIT: the video is talking about the draft as well, haven't seen it all, before commenting. So yea, this only proves my words.
@@Croftice1 He is still supposed to be an inspiring heroic figure in a movie based on a toyline. Not the story of a war veteran turning crazy. It's just that Bay and his team dont give a fuck and have him say stupid violent lines because they masturbate to their guns, just like you. And audience members like yourself found this shit deep and profound, while also applauding said violence and thinking it's a good thing. "This guy is bad, i have the right to disembowl him". No you dont. This is why laws exist, so that the state handles that, otherwise we're savages pulling each others eyes out. Hack Snyder did the same thing with Superman. I expect to see a movie about Jesus, or Budda, or Ghandi wielding katanas and chopping people's heads off. "The romans were bad, they deserved it and Jesus had enough of their shit. It's called character development". "But it misses the point of Jes..." "IT'S CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT I SAID!!"
A thing I’m glad to see being renovated with the new movies like bumblebee, is that every transformer doesn’t have to be a really nice expensive sports car. Like bumblebee always looked best in his first beat up camero look in the first movie. And that car actually blends in. Same with the bug
If my memory serves correct, during the production years of the first Bay-formers movie, certain car companies like Volkswagen and Porsche did not want to license their cars to Hasbro under the stigma that the Transformers are nothing but war machines. This resulted in characters like Bumblebee and Jazz having to take completely different vehicle modes.
@@mrscruffles801 Volkswagen got over it back in 2014 as MP Bee was released, and with ROTB Porsche seems to be finally fine with them showing up in TF as well.
Here’s why we like Dark of the Moon. It’s just dope. The crass nature and absurd violence, things which would often be bad, is taken so far beyond the line in this movie that it loops back around to being incredible, if only because it’s impressive that they could take it this far. I love it. It’s glorious. It is fun for the sake of fun, and I absolutely love it.
That’s what I’ve said about ROTF for years it’s so ridiculous especially for a Transformers movie it’s awesome like they really gave Devastator balls in that movie lol
My thing is people try to critique the movies on being narrative masterpieces but transformers has never been heavily narrative driven. It’s always just been fun giant robots that turn into cars fighting with eachother, and that’s what Michael bay did he had fun with the movies and action and I love it.
@@taigaseji Exactly. People always say “muhhhh such bad movie no good plot waaaah” when that’s not the point. It’s not trying to be a well driven story. It’s just dumb fun with cool ass robots and that’s all it’s trying to be.
Maybe it’s time we just accept this Optimus how he is: a soldier who’s let war consume morality and thus lead to him becoming more ruthless and unforgiving. That’s just the take on the character, and it’s probably best if it remain the sole example of it.
Dark Of The Moon is actually kinda similar to to an arc in the original series. In “The Transformers: The Ultimate Doom” the decepticons use a space bridge to bring Cybertron to earth, but instead it screws with the planet and starts to tear Earth apart. They also mind controlled a bunch of humans too, and we’re going to use them as slave labor.
I remember years ago when the Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Wii game was released. One of cool little things in the game was that exact arc. It was a miniature movie split into three episodes.
I agree that the final third was the main reason that this film is good, in my opinion it defines the phrase 'epic blockbuster' and the score is incredible.
When people say, "DOTM is my favorite Transformers movie," what they mean is, "the city battle from DOTM fucking rules." Nobody remembers the rest of the movie because the third act is so cool that everything before it is considered irrelevant. BUT THEY SHOULD, because Ken Jeong gets thrown out of an office building window after losing a gunfight against a robot bird at the end of the first act, and I think that's hilarious.
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 If you fuck up and Ken Jeong appearence in a movie then you've done something wrong. Also other people do remember the movie. I love the first 3 Bayformers even with their flaws and remember then fondly.
The first Transformers movie was the first movie my wife and I watched together before we started dating. Revenge Of The Fallen was the last movie we saw in theatres before our son was born. Dark Of The Moon... has no significant milestone in our house, other than it being the first Bayformers movie I didn't see in theatres, being better than Revenge Of The Fallen, and the final live-action Transformers movie I ever watched. Thank you for marathoning these movies and presenting them in a way that keeps me from having to actually go back and rewatch them (the first one doesn't hold up in my eyes).
*Fun Fact:* Japan (where Transformers originates, kind of) has this thing with robots where, if it wasn't piloted by a human a la Gundam, it was seen as kiddy. When Bayformers came out, they were shocked.
It gets funnier upon realizing that _Transformers: Rescue Bots_ was never localized for Japan, even though that show was one of the few instances where humans can safely pilot Transformers that were in robot mode.
@@lance2580 That's mostly cause Prime bombed as hard as Beast Wars Neo in Japan and so the brand right now is basically on nostalgia life support, so Takara didn't import Prime S3 along with Rescue Bots.
@@herbalyzoltan409 In Japan the cultural differences compared to here meant Prime was already going to be a hard sell as the "Very mature show but only as mature as a PG-13 gets" isn't as popular (and Japanese kids seemingly are more interested in human piloted robots and sentience robots), while it's far more popular to either be Gundam-mature from the offset, be a goofy fun kids show like the dubs for Beast Wars and Animated, or start out as just a fun kids show but build up to more serious stuff as the show goes on like with Armada. So to try and circumvent this Takara got the guy who dubbed Beast Wars and Animated (dubs that aimed for an even lower age demographic than the original scripts did) to do the dub for Prime, while at the same time marketing the toys at mostly old fans rather than for "all ages" like Hasbro. So with both things targeted at different age groups and the dub not at all fitting the show Prime bombed so hard they didn't import Season 3 and instead made "Transformers Go!" which also bombed, to the point you can still find unopened Prime and Beast Hunter Toys on Japanese markets for rather cheap. Now a similar thing happened in the 90s when Takara made two Beast Wars spinoff shows, Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo, while waiting for S2/3 of the CG show to be ready to dub, but BW Neo bombed in a similar manner due to the complex toys and basically killed almost all interest by kids and some fans in Transmetals and stopped Takara from importing Beast Machines till 2005. Takara then made Transformers Car Robots (later dubbed into 2001 Robots in Disguise) to try and soften the blow and then saw an explosive resurgence to popularity with Armada, but unlike Neo there hasn't been a show with a massive marketing push like Armada that has come after TF: Prime, so now most of Takara's TF sales come from the Masterpiece G1/BW and MPM lines. Which is why we didn't see an original Takara TF mold in Mainline/Generations again after 2012 and it was only repaints/retools till 2018, where now they just have straight repacks of Hasbro's toys.
The transformers score has to be one of the most iconic modern soundtracks tbh. Like everyone’s heard arrival to earth at some point whether they’ve seen the movies or not
The only series i can think of that has a more iconic score for me is dark knight, and that is saying a ton for the transformers score. Steve did an incredible job Nvm I remembered Harry Potter
@@rifath8152 well, the star wars fandom is very devisive but never have I heard people complain about the prequels soundtrack. So that would take the spot. That being said transformers had a great soundtrack as well.
I always thought it was odd that after being a bullied shell of his former self that Megatron just got iced in such a brutal way after saving his lifelong enemy from the big bad. It's nice to know that there actually was a second ending that would have played out much more in line with how I would have thought it would have went.
But knowing the history .... can you really trust megtron for his words for peace and solem? Thousands of years of war and strife on Cybertronian and because Sentienal made him a little bitch at the end and knew he was in shape to over run he just game up. If somebody shows you over and over again who they are you have to believe them at some point no matter how much you want to believe something else. Evyerbody talks about how weak Megatron is but he wasn't the same Megatron from the first movie. No original parts and very muched weakened and in 2 he uses a spark of a lesser ranked decepticon and spare parts. As for Optimus, not only was he prime but he inherited a spark and parts from an OG (very similar to The FAllen" with instant transmission and overall more anciet knowledge and strength from Jetfire. Gained the knowledge and ability to use flight that he did had an upgraded trailer for all his knew weapons and flight tech.... If you remember Optimus was getting his ass handed baaaadly in the first movie and was going to have Sam sacrifice him for the greater good and Sam killed Megatron instead ... that's the turn off the tide right there
@@p00bix but the writers seem to have a bit of character development involved from this trilogy which is why the movie and scene was put together as such .. you aren't giving the film enough logically credit
This movie had some of the rawest Optimus diolouge, can never forget "GIVE ME YOUR FACE" or the scene where Optimus, after grounding a Decepticon fighter, cocks his gun and a bullet shell the size of an oil drum doinks off of the pavement, the camera pans to his face, and he says "We will kill them all." I miss this type of writing so much.
It's so opposite to what cartoonish Optimus is that it's kinda hilarious. People get mad these movies aren't like the original series, but they are going for realism. This is realism if giant robots fought a shadow war on our planet
Everybody immediately goes for the "No Optimus", yet nobody brings up Sentinel betrayed them and shot Ironhide in the back while doing it. Or the hostages being wasted beforehand by Decepticons. Edit: I think a lot of people sleep on the true character arc of Optimus in these movies. In 1, he tried fighting with honor, yet it still wasn't enough to beat Megatron. Also, though it was barely focused on, Jazz's death must've hit him harder than we realize. In 2, people focus on Optimus's brutality, but they never focus on the fights themselves. The woods fight was literally 3 against 1, sorry if he can't be as composed as people think he should be. Then against the fallen, he just got juiced up by the power given to him by Jetfire, I think you can cut him slack for going a overboard in killing the fallen. Not to mention, he had to be thorough in killing the fallen, cuz his name literally implies that he'll rise again if you don't kill him right. 3rd movie, it comes full circle. He tried to be the honorable big metal boyscout at the start, but first he finds out he was lied to again by the humans, there goes that trust. Then he tries to do the honorable thing and hand back leadership to his teacher, Sentinel. We all knows how that goes. Then the humans straight up tell them to get off the planet, he goes along in hopes that the decepticons at the very least will honor the deal and spare humanity if they leave. They immediately shoot them down and start wasting humans. Then in the fight, did Sentinel show mercy? Stabs him, cuts his arm off, then tries to impale him. Sorry, but the honor is dead, and the War killed it. Optimus was just done with all of it. Look what honor got him, his friends are dead, betrayal on all sides, and no place to call home. I'm assuming that Optimus thought that if he let either of them live, it'd all start over again. How could he trust them to surrender or honor the truce, when they wouldn't even let him surrender honorably. He truly wanted to be free of this, which is why I felt it when he said it was time to find out.
Exactly, people sleep on Optimus' character because it's not the focal point (sam's POV being the focal point.) Plus, in every movie optimus was fighting for a planet and a people to save. There's no do-overs, not after the Cube was destroyed (along with the prospect of reviving his race.) If he looses Earth and humanity, that's it game over. It's like a father fighting a pack of rabid dogs to save his kid.
I would agree, if not for the fact the first scene in revenge of the fallen, has Optimus executing a defeated enemy by point blank blowing their head off.
@@scintilla3957 it explains why In the tie in media, funny enough the writer for the comics for the movie franchise was able to make everything make sense, only for AOE and TLK to ruin everything done
One of my favorite instances is the 3v1 in the forest in the second movie. I think it's great and one of the strongest points of the trilogy if you really examine it - Optimus's number one objective right there is to make sure Sam is safe, and it shows in the way he's playing defense hardcore. But once Optimus thinks Sam is dead or out of the way, he decides to show the Decepticons what's what by turning the tables and cutting them down with absolutely no effort at all, and he only dies because he goes looking for Sam again. If he had paid more attention he likely would have ended Megatron's life right there instead of vice versa. People often forget that Prime is a title and not his actual surname or anything, and it takes an absolute force of nature to be worthy of the title, typically only given to a bot worthy of being the Autobot leader, which is a very tall order. I think him going balls to the wall in the forest was perfectly fitting for the character. Optimus believes in reform, but if it's not only his life on the line, but humanity's and his newfound home after all the loss and bloodshed he's had to be a part of, I think it pans out as a perfectly fine for him to remind the Decepticons exactly who they're dealing with, on top of him likely thinking Sam was dead in the moment.
I like to think that Optimus growing more and more brutal was intentional and that he just gets fed up of caring and actually tries to win instead of just prolonging the conflict.
I found it quite funny that Michael Bay made an entirely new character to replace Mikaela because of his disputes with Megan Fox. But could have just recasted her to the new actress since they looked so similar. Just ask the new actress to dye her hair black and done. It would have made Sam's relationship with her make more sense.
@@radioxxxg3n It’s up for debate, honestly; no one really knows for sure, but personally, I don’t think Spielberg seems like the kind of guy who would do something like that. He seems far too humble.
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 IIRC, the issue wasn't the criticism, it was the fact she called him "Hitler" because that's a real sensitive spot for Spielberg, or something to that effect.
Being from Illinois, this movie meant a lot to me as a kid because it showed the place I was from. Being able to look at it and think "oh hey that's just like a block away from where my dad works" was a lot of fun. It's a shame they don't make more movies focused on Chicago.
@@homeygfunkoffacherryfruitl4971 if we're talking about shows too, Corpus Christi, Texas was mentioned a couple of times in crime and paranormal shows - notably Ghost Hunters' USS Lexington and Signs of a Psychopath (I think the show was called that)
There’s an interview with Michael Bay, or a behind the scenes, somewhere where he explains his vision for the third act was to make it “The Black Hawk Down of Transformers”. Which actually makes a lot of sense of the intense war vibe. Also I love the Wreckers. The NASCAR theme is perfect! “We don’t let them out much because they’re assholes”
Ah yes, the transformers move that depicted Optimus ''freedom is the right of sentient beings'' Prime just straight up execute his father figure and (kinda) brother. Well done, Bay.
The ending was changed last minute, due to it being leaked via other media sources before the film came out. I believe there was around a month or two for the ending to be changed before release, which sucks. The original ending was much better
@@JosephSmith-lm4ri Optimus and Megatron team up against Sentinel and kill him, Megatron saying ‘Two Shall Stand, One Shall Fall’ Megatron then tells Optimus he no longer wants to fight. Optimus is ready to kill Megatron but he doesn’t. Megatron says he will return to Cybertron and rebuild, and the war will end. Optimus is left with the question of whether Megatron will hold true to his words. Rest of the ending plays out roughly the same, and that’s about it
I watched this movie with friends and there's this part where the Decepticons say they're going to enslave humanity. I started loudly calling that idiotic since giant robots would be able to do anything better than humans could And then they started turning people into meat mist
The idea behind decepticons decision is why would you do something if you can make someone else do it for you? This movies might be edgy but they still have childish and naive ideas behind factions from the cartoons.
@@pascalsimioli6777 That's the thing, just like "why would we believe someone who call themselve decepticons". Mass genocide is a bit dark even for an edgy teenager movie, no way they're can squeeze it into a PG.
Kong: Skull Island was another movie that should've been rated R but was PG-13. There's a scene where a guy gets impaled through the mouth and out the back of his head by a giant spider leg. It was a dead-on shot of it and in full light. A guy got pelted into a wall and exploded from the grenades in his hand. I think it had enough swearing to stop it from being PG-13 too
There’s also the way Kong kills the final skullcrawler. He straight up rips out its tongue so hard that it rips out its digestive organs as well Honestly Kong(the character)had the most brutal kills in the MonsterVerse now that I think about it.
a guy getting pelted into a wall and going boom from his grenades is not very gruesom. Neither is the dude getting impaled by a spider. And Kong ripping out the tongue well. As long as it's not human gore, it'sgood and fine!
I remember being in Chicago when this movie was being filmed. I could see one of the set pieces from my hotel room. Every night I’d hear nothing but explosions. One morning my mom asked what they were filming and she thought my stepdad was joking when he told her it was transformers.
To explain the coldness of Optimus, there are actually quite a few IDW tie-in comics from the first 3 movies, and they actually go a lot more in depth with Optimus's mental state, since early in the war he was similar to what you'd expect from him, but after oh so many years of fighting, along with the news of Sentinel's "death", he kind of snapped in a sense, just going full on Rambo at the Decepticons.
When I saw this movie in theaters as a child I had to walk out cause I started crying when the deceptions were disintegrating people, it was brutal as a kid
I watched it today for the first time and I was shocked that they showed that. Random civilians die in PG-13 movies all the time but I feel like it’s usually implied rather than shown on screen. The Avengers had zero on-screen civilian deaths so this movie was pretty crazy to me
I always found it strange how Patrick Dempsey's character had other human collaborators working with him, yet they were never brought up in the next movies
@@Tgungen yeah, but his other collaborators were still around after his death. Unless NEST had a "Dust to Dust" from Modern Warfare 3 type of mission where they stormed the remaining collaborators at one of their buildings in full armory and weaponry, we don't know what happened to them
I think that Optimus basically contracted the cybertronian equivalent to ptsd. The centuries of war, losing close friends and allies, him dying, the betrayal of Sentinel, almost being killed again when he was being forced to leave earth, losing his arm, etc. I think this version of optimus finally had enough and basically went, Fuck it.
bro, optimus has faced millions of years of war on cybertron, i seriously doubt that just a few years on earth would make optimus become a war criminal
@@seabass273 I think it’s because he doesn’t want Earth to become another Cybertron. Keep in mind, he intended to commit suicide in order to save Earth in the first movie by merging his spark with the Cube.
@@seabass273 Listen man, if it took Ultron a a few minutes of scouring the internet to decide we had to be eradicated, 4 years on earth seems pretty generous for someone to become a cold blooded killer.
9:18 The scene with the Decepticon warships bombarding the city looks more like the Yuuzhan Vong invading Coruscant from Star Wars than something out of Transformers.
The explanation of Mikaela's original lines and the backstory actually made me sad. Seeing her and Sam's relationship reach its climax and conclusion would have been beautiful (if Michael Bay can even make "beautiful")
Nah, Mikaela dumping loser Sam is for the best. He anchored her, and now she can build a better life on her own. Maybe also will help her father to rehabilitade after prison.
When it comes to The Wreckers, what's not to love? They are NASCAR stock cars, with goddamn machine guns! Also Bayverse Optimus Prime was out here preforming Mortal Kombat fatalities
Fucking finally. A channel that can watch a fun movie without writing an essay on how it's the worst thing ti ever happen. I LOVE video essays detailing how movies are poorly written or produced, but some movies need some love, and the transformers movies are a perfect example. It's okay to have fun, while still acknowledging flaws.
Eh, i'll watch the 1st one, even after this video the 3rd movie is still meh for me. I think pirates of the Caribbean is a little easier to defend, the 1st 2 pirates movies are genuinely kinda good
I like how this movie actually feels like PG-13. The invasion in Chicago where Decepticons are shooting people and blowing them to bones is brutal. Along with the death's of Transformers
Great analysis of the film. Dark of the Moon restored my hope in the Bay films after the atrocity of Revenge of Fallen. But then Bay let me down again and again. 😢
Holy shit I never noticed as a kid how stacked this cast is….. John Malcovich, Frances McDormand, Leonard Nemoy, Hugo Weaving, Alan Tudyk, Tom Kenny…. Some people that if you told me they were in these movies I would not have believed you at first
I figured the Decepticon's plan was to use the pillars, only for them to realize it wouldn't work without Sentinel. Then after RotF, they realized Optimus could revive him. Doesn't explain why they didn't use the army until now, though.
It's wild because of the fact that you can make an Optimus Prime who is a war criminal, morally questionable, etc. I think it would be intersting to go over the morals, and ethics of both the autobots and depictions
Apologies if you were watching before. There was a formatting issue I didn't notice and I had to re-upload. Everything was Letterboxed and looked terrible. This aspect ratio is how the video was meant to look.
I added Chapters so you can get back to where you were previously watching. Sorry about that.
ok ill watch it again
What did you have to change? i was watching it a while ago and its said it was no longer available
Also, it's Patrick DEMPSEY, not SWAYZE. Swayze died the same year last movie came out.
Not gonna lie I thought the awkward widescreen was a meta-joke about the movie's production and I was really confused when there was never a punchline mentioned lol
You have proven to care more about aspect ratios than the makers of these movies
It's really funny to me that 4 million years of war on cybertron wasn't enough to turn Optimus into a war criminal but after 5 years on Earth he said 'Fuck it' and started executing prisoners and surrendering soldiers
Specifically America lol
Earth'll do that to you
The 4 million years destroyed his civilization, though
I imagine after Cybertron was well and truly dead, he simply lost the patience to see it happen again.
Yep. Humans will do that to you.
I still remember when this movie was being filmed here in Chicago. People here were crowding the streets downtown watching all the explosions being filmed and when the film premiered in theatres, every showing in the area cheered when the Decepticons turned our city into a carnival shooting gallery.
So you celebrated your city turning into Gary?
@@MrAsianPie we just wanted something to alleviate the pain of not having any parts of the Dark Knight Rises filmed here while New York and Pittsburgh took all the spotlight.
Chicago in the war sequence was just footage of a normal Chicago weekend with cgi robots added in the background.
@@copaczin3605 that’s just the trappers n them lol
With Lori running the city, Chicago IS a warzone right now.
Optimus in the cartoons: be strong enough to be gentle
Optimus in the movies: rip and tear until it is done
Basically what my sex life has become
Bayverse aint G1 cartoons, or any cartoons for that matter. They're not the same Optimus.
There are also lots of movies with transformers
@@WingMaster562 🤓
@@WingMaster562 And that's why Bayverse is viewed with so much SCORN and disgust, rightfully so!
Bayverse Optimus is anathema to the concept of Optimus Prime itself since his very creation based on the Diaclone toy of Convoy. "If he we're more ruthless, he'd be a better military commander, but then he wouldn't be Optimus Prime."
@El Tio Asmodai Shut up alpha optimus killing unforgivable decepticons ina fkn war>beta optimus that forgives the silliest shit.
Fun fact: my dad's coworker Dave is in this movie. They just walked into weather squadron and asked if people who weren't busy wanted to be in the background of the Nasa bits.
Nice
Dave is such a dad's coworker name
Honestly that’s kind of based
@@vorpalweapon4814damn, it is, my dad also has a co worker named dave
@@player_566-1 My dad, who's name is Dave, has three coworkers, also named Dave.
The way Optimus looks absolutely pissed off when he says "Time to find out" and his face mask snaps closed sends chills down my manchild spine.
Character assassination aside, it’s such a good line
That thing killed the franchise
I could live with megatron dying, but why the f*ck then make him return?!
yeah, yeah... $$$
Pretty badass moment. It made Optimus look very unhinged but it was war...
Badass af
@@a.morphous66 it's really not character assassination not in the same sense as ST Jake Skywalker or Master cheeks from the Galo TV show. Bayverse Optimus always came across as somewhat of a more realistic take on Optimus Prime where he's more of a Wartorn Soldier whose over time more and more broken down by war.
Killing a surrendering enemy wasn't the bad part gor Optimus in this. It was not dropping a sick oneline like in the 86 film. "You who are without mercy, now plead for it?"
Again, you understand me.
“Time to find out” after Megatron taunts Optimus by asking him who he would be without him
That us usually the propose of the one loner to soften the blow for the audience
@@Keithchan2024 ok, considering it's megatron were talking about, and that megs has spent the past 5 years in the TF universe making life on earth a living hell, I think optimus is a little justified in taking out the evil before him. Sentinel I'm a bit mixed on, although he did conspire with megs to enslave all of humanity then essentially doom earth to death once they were no longer necessary so I can sympathize with his ultimate decision. Would've been better for sentinel to he put up for a trial and executed under the legal system, but hey, he's a giant war robot fire truck, there's a good chance he could escape.
@@JosephSmith-lm4ri I mean megs did just save his life
The idea that Optimus goes from self-defense to I'm going to kill everyone here regardless of the circumstances is mighty amusing
It's great
He became more human
I’m mean what is he is suppose to do when he’s at war with a genocidal faction who wants to dominate everything?
His 'self-defense" seemed to be rip things off until it stops moving. Lol.
@@brandonlyon730 take a moral high ground and die, I guess? Idk
that "takeover of chicago" scene always gives me the chills. it has that "you now know how powerful transformers are in their tech. there is nothing we can do." aesthetic
I love how its universally agreed that Optimus is a war criminal in the bay movies
Yea while i really want Transformers for a more mature audience (with actual good storys) they wrote Optimus completely out of character a lot of the time in these movies
(Yes i understand these films weren't mature but i like that they didn't hold back on the violence)
A justified one
@@jammygamer8961 i disagree i feel that intentional or unintentionally they made a more Realistic take on Optimus. the Optimus in the bayfilms feels very much like a Soldier whose been fighting a war for too damn long and he's just over time started to lose who he is and what he's fighting for. he's almost like a deconstruction of the character as opposed to be out of character.
he feels very much like what Optimus would turn into if you took the Cybertronian war and put it into a more realistic setting. Optimus is an aspiring hero to the Autobots but he's not this perfect "dad/jesus" bot that does no wrong. he's a different version of Optimus.
it's not the first time either that the franchise toyed around with the darker asspects to Prime's character transformers Armada did very much imply that Optimus is very much just as responsible for the war as Megatron is and that he's just as war hungry.
He has a good reason, the deceptions act like and look like barbaric monsters in these movies in design and action.
@@jammygamer8961 Violence doesn't always make something mature though. Hell this movie is a perfect example of the opposite happening.
Too much unnessecary violence can make something feel immature.
Seeing this in theaters as a teenager, I remember being pissed that Ironhide's death was acknowledged by literally nobody. This badass was one of the OGs and he doesn't even get a passing mention of grief from Optimus or Ratchet.
Ironhide might have been the reason why optimus killed sentinel in the same way
Sums up every movie. Things happen, but no one cares. There’s no real characterisation or consequence… hell they gave Jazz more acknowledgment ffs.
@@revazmeladze maybe, but still a "this is for Ironhide" or something from Optimus would've gone a long way.
I blocked out seeing this in theatres until I saw Shockwave centipeding thru the building and it all rushed back lolol
I'm still hurt by Ironhide's death. Literally lost a piece of my childhood.
My favorite lines of Optimus Prime are “GIVE ME YOUR FACE” and “IM GOING TO KILL YOU”. Truly the most peaceful and wise leader.
Over a thousand years of war changes someone, especially when it has cost you your home planet and multiple friends.
@@Lifeislikeadoughnut the fact is, thousands years of war didn't change Optimus. A few years on Earth did, lol.
@@Lifeislikeadoughnut Peter Cullen told Bay that he was uncomfortable saying lines like that. Instead of asking Cullen why, he just said do it. That shows that Bay was not curious at all about constructing characters. He's just good at blowing shit up.
@@twentyeightstabwounds7761 maybe because he didn’t want to see his home destroyed TWICE??
@The13thRonin "I'm sorry Michael, I'm just not comfortable saying "I'll eat your children, human"
Fun fact, In the 2011 daytona 500 parade laps, there were 3 cars out with the other cars that were exact replicas of the Nascar cars from this movie, with all the guns and armor on them. The announcers even compared them to the other cars on track.
This movie basically requires you to turn off your brain for about 3 hours and just watch big robot executing other big robot
And that’s why I like it
@@notapeopleperson9390 Congratulations. You’re a consoomer
@@screamerlover5781 i need to consuuuuuume
And you know what? Sometimes that's not a bad thing.
Some times it's good to just turn off for a while.
“Are we the baddies?”
Ultron: Spends 5 minutes on the internet and decides humanity has gots to go
Optimus: Spends a few years on earth and becomes increasingly brutal
Humans in the Bayformers films: Side with the Decepticons on numerous occasions
I would bash on siding with the Decpticons but I'm literally wearing a Decpticon Tshirt so y'all know where my loyalties would lie xD
@@kampfgeist7703 dude same
To be fair, Ultron probably just found 4chan. I'd have a similar reaction if that was one of my first pieces of knowledge about humanity.
@@BirchMonkey857 now that would be funny. Or some messed up onion site.
@@BirchMonkey857 no, he saw all the pages containing him on Rule34
“Somehow, they must’ve picked up that fuel Rod.” has the same energy as “Somehow… Palpatine has returned.”
I actually expected that clip to be in this video. Kinda disappointed that it wasn't ngl
Somehow Palpatine returned was WAAAAY worse than this but would’ve made for a funny edit in the vid
That line sounds so familiar which seven was it from?
Except it's way more believable for Palpatine bc we kno why he came back, and how to a degree. What exactly was the fuel rod for, and why dud the Decepticons need it?
@@pharaohbubbles1547 my brother in Christ, Palps fell into the fucking core of an exploding Death Star. The Russians might simply have retrieved their rovers with samples- and the engine piece. In any case, that engine piece allowed the reactor in Chernobyl to function apparently.
Old man Buzz Aldrin once threw hands with a dude trying to call the moon landing a hoax. He's a total badass and gets all the bad cameos that he wants IMO
absolute chad behavior
Home went to the moon he can do wtf he wants
Actually, he was asked to swear on the Bible that he walker on the moon, and he refused to do it, got angry, and picked a fight...
I'm Sorry but, no! Nobody has ever been to the moon!
@@joseffblake careful, the man might be 94 but I bet he can still clock you a good one.
@@Name-ot3xw have you ever seen the clip of him answering a little girl Who asked him "why hasn't anyone been back to the Moon in such a long time?" and he replied with "That's my question, i wanna know. But i think i know... it's because we didn't go there. And that's why It happend..." and then goes on trying to save the Fraudian slip by attempting to clarify that he meant "we didn't go back" but the dage was already done.
You can avoid the facts all you want. Refuse to look into It or whatever but, it's undeniable at this point.
No matter what you believe in, nobody has ever been to the Moon. That's a fact!
TF3 is the most accurate media depiction of Chicago I’ve ever seen. Most Hollywood productions set there usually just gloss over the brutal street violence, executions and war crimes that the city is so well loved for. It’s nice to finally see the city’s culture adapted to the big screen
Lol
U dont live in chicago
@REALITY I live in Chicago and I see giant robots curbstomping each other weekly, wtf are you talking about
You forgot the most important part, the fact that obama let the cybertronians bring their war here
Tell me you've never been to Chicago without telling me you've never been to Chicago
I have always liked Dark of the Moon. It's a solid ending to the trilogy (which should've stayed as a trilogy).
You know if they had adapted the alternate ending into the movie, it would have been great. It can add layers if not nuance.
@@jonathanathor117 yea didn't megatron and optimus agree to a truce so the war ended?
@@jammygamer8961 yes. It would have made Megatron a better character since he was pretty much used after the 2nd movie
@@jammygamer8961 some continuities, yes like the alligned continuity (transformers prime beast hunters), IDW and cyberverse.
You know transformers lore does have moments of depth and nuance to its lore. It's pretty underrated.
I mean the fact that there were other planets in the universe that were colonized by cybertronians does show that in the grand scale, the huge civil war was relatively localised (yes it was a planet size war but the key word is relative). The whole concept of sparks and where energon comes from does some some mysticism as well as confirming that they aren't just simply robots that can turn into cars. The fact that the main planet of cybertron itself is in fact a god who may or may not be nigh omnipresent across the multiverse long with unicron.
@@logger22 yep
I was obsessed with the Michael Bay movies as a little kid, and I am not kidding when I say that I legitimately cried when the Autobots’ fakeout death happened.
Respectable
I was shocked too.
When the Chicago invasión happened for I moment I thought the Autobots were truly dead and it was just going to be a grim showing of the Decepticons conquering earth
Everyone was
Man, I was like 10 when I watched this movie and I cried when Ironhide died. It was a ridiculously dirty way of killing him, I was in shock.
I sometimes randomly do a impression of Sentinel Prime dying for my sister ("Everything I did...Was for the good of my race...Wait! No! Optimus, Please!!!" *screams*) she's never seen a Transformers.
“YOU DIE.” *proceeds to tear Shockwave’s spine out from his eye*
- Optimus “GIVE ME YOUR FACE” Prime, 2011
ON BEHALF OF DECEPTICON AIRLINES, THANK YOU FOR FLYING WITH US
becuz shockwave killed jolt
"YOU DIE."
-Ganon when someone dares bring light to his lair.
@@sunsetman22 _where lifes a f**k nightmare~_
and it was awesome
I love how evil Optimus Prime becomes as the series progresses. By the fourth movie his first words are "I'll kill you!" While wildly trying to murder anyone within his grasps
I mean, to be perfectly fair he was full of bullet holes and essentially at deaths door.
I like the progression because the whole time its about being a little diplomatic .. killing when necessary for survival but because he has put up with Megatrons shits for so long, awakening Sentienal only for him to betray his trust and make his credibibly fail with in the US Government and world. Being the only prime left and seeing how these guys say they only want to take one single life but yet have killed hundreds in their hunt to terraform/destory the Earth. No more Mr nice guys. Not mention, he warned the government about what would happen if the Autobot were kicked off this earth thinking the Decepticons where only after the Autobots and INFACT they weren't, they were after the resource and technology store or this planet ... a point had to proven that not only were the decepticons full of shit but they were DANGEROUS, liars and decievers but in fact this world NEEDS the Autobots to be present in order protect the world from the vile shit Decepticons have cooked up.
That’s because he was ambushed by humans and lockdown…what did you expect him to say?
TF1 Optimus: we will never hurt humans even if they kill bumblebee
TF2 Optimus: we will fight for humans, even if there might be collateral human damage, i will sacrifice myself to protect a human boy
TF3 Optimus: I won't hurt humans, but i will brutally massacre anything else
TF4 Optimus: and then I pulled out my autocannon, yelled "I'll kill you all" and then strafe a tightly grouped humans from 20m away
@@ante4021TF5 optimus: and i shit you not, the way he died was HILARIOUS
That scene where the Army Rangers use superior tactics to blind the Decepticon group with high powered sniper rifles, then immobilize them with planted anti-armor explosives and then finish them off is still frickin awesome.
Tbh I'm opposite. I am someone completely fine with the nature of this movie franchise with one main gripe I have is how weak the Decepticons could be against human weaponries especially after the first movie. I thought it was lame and made them look incompetent.
@@langletprolet8378 The humans fighting Decepticons in TF3 are the NEST (and Navy SEALS) who've had substantial experience fighting Decepticons. They are all aiming for the joints or eyes (or other sensors) with specialised ammunitions. Plus it took several of them to take down one Decepticon. I wouldn't say it made the Decepticons weak or incompetent, it just showed that humans actually aren't that powerless in front of Transformers
They could use Javelin missiles.. but yeah better risking your live planting explosives because it looks cool
@@Cyan_Nightingale I'm just gonna wave that away by saying
1.) City. With even afew seconds to take cover they could've avoided the missiles by just making them hit buildings
2.) Maybe they had AA? They had the city under control
3.) It's a Michael Bay movie. It's all about spectacle.
I agree. That's why the movie is considered propaganda lol
The next transformers movie is gonna reveal Noah’s ark was a autobot
Or it'll reveal that Starscream convinced Judas to betray Jesus
@@RealRexRiplashimagine showing this comment to someone without the context lol
@@RealRexRiplashif transformers existed in real life and our timeline this could probably happen
or that George Washington was actually a Transformer named Washingtron who transforms into a washing machine
Actually I heard the new transformers was good
Honestly the best part of this film for me was Sentinal using Spock's "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" line but as a villainous excuse instead of a heroic self-sacrifice.
Well, didn't Leonard Nimoy voice sentinel? I just found it as a cool callback to his role as spock
@@nldg.02 Yeah, he did, but the context twisted the meaning of the line, which made it better than a simple call-back.
Wow tbh that line sounds kinda villainous already
it’s kinda dumb though because there are 8 billion humans and only like 100 Cybertronians
And what's cool is that wasn't in the script Leonard ad libbed it.
You know, I'll say this. Mikaela was quite underrated in the first movie. She has a backstory with her dad being in prison, a skill that works for the story, had some actually depth to her character, and straight up saved Bumblebee while Sam was freaking out, and then proceeded to help kill Brawl! She was the shit. Like Thew said, she was too good for Sam. Shame about losing her.
In another universe (and with a different director) Mikaela could have been the protagonist and I think that would have made for a significantly stronger series
@@caitlineder6950 totally agreed. Mikeala should have been the protagonist rather then love interest, and Spielberg should have been the director rather then the producer.
@@caitlineder6950 Sam was only the main character cause bay wanted a character the teen males that played transformers and watched action movies could relate too.2018 bumblebee movie proved you could have a female lead in transformers without alienating the target demographic.
Mikaela (and Megan Fox) deserved better
@@caitlineder6950 This is basically what happened in the Bumblebee spinoff movie
Trying to understand the Transformers movie cannon and its "logic" feels like trying to solve a puzzle with your elbows only to find out that none of the pieces were part of the same puzzle to begin with
ive always felt sorry for the novel writers and comic creators who had to piece together something vaguely coherent for these movies
@@pharoahcaraboo9610 The first three are Kind of connected though you go to do mental gymnastics though it's light compared to the one's you have to do for the fourth and fifth
thing is if you take out TF 2 4 and 5 from the equation and only consider TF1 and TF 3 it makes perfect sane narratively. TF3 feels like an actual Sequal to the first film because Revenge of the fallen kinda starts nowhere and ends nowhere and feels very much like it's own self contained film.
@@michaelkean5969 Pretty much, I mean the second movie introduced the Matrix of Leadership but you could just ignore that and pretend Prime always had the Matrix like he does in most Transformers media
I like how the Fallen is only even mentioned in the 2nd movie even though he's basically the reason any of the movies happened when you really think about it. He founded the Decepticons and was a mentor to Megatron, and yet was treated like he had no importance.
15:34 you say this like Buzz Aldrin isn’t a massive nerd, he was probably like “hell yeah” when they pitched the idea to him
He's not, all astronauts of the Apollo era were daredevil pilots recruited from the Air Force.
@ you think Air Force Test pilots aren’t also massive nerds?
Only real ones will remember when he uploaded this with a different aspect ratio
Yee
I liked the widescreen 😭
Rip the 2.39:1 😔
@@Dirvinator same
Pour one out for the letterboxes in this vid
I like the alternate ending a lot. I feel like it fits Megatron as a character. Dude is just tired of fighting by the end and wants to go home. I like that a lot more than him just dying for nothing.
Yo bro we got the same pfp
@@juanitobarrera2945 hmm
@@juanitobarrera2945 we're bros for life then lmao
Bro got his ass handed to him on a silver platter every single fight after the first film. He was mutilated and mauled by the end of ROTF and became everyones punching bag in DOTM. It would've been way better if they stuck with the og ending and had a peace treaty
@@captainbrexit6730 facts
The TF movies unwittingly read as a fascinating story of Optimus Prime’s journey into villainy. He’s his mostly optimistic self in TF1. But then he’s ripping apart faces in TF2, committing war crimes in TF3, and actively raiding human compounds in TF4. He even gets his first human kill in TF4. What a great “war is hell” message to see Optimus so worn down and embittered by war that he becomes everything he stood against.
And the best part is they probably did this completely by accident
And in the fifth film he goes evil and attacks bumblee,it's a cool character arc.
i don't think Optimus is becoming a Villian in as much he's becoming a more realistic hero who has started to forgo his ideals to ensure that the war is finally able to come to an end he feels very much like a young naive soldier who stood proud for his ideals and bought into the propaganda but as time and the war has gone on he's become more jaded and brutal and his ideals and morality just nothing more than just a facade he tells himself over and over.
@@michaelkean5969, and one of the great things about OG Optimus is that de defies that idea. He doesn't get worn down and jaded by the war (at least not in front of people), and despite everything that happens to him and his team, he stills tries to lead by example and commit as little war crimes as possible. I'm still hoping for the day that TFP Optimus and Bayformers Optimus somehow meet and just see the absolute mess of what that leads to.
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 Oh it was 100% by accident. Bay Prime is like if IDW Star Saber was looked up to and seen by the "good guys" as his G1 counterpart but the script still has him talk and act like IDW Crusader Saber.
11 year old me was so in love with this movie. It was so amazing that when all hope was genuinely lost for the audience. When we were sure we needed a miracle for Witwicky to live, and we knew one couldn’t come. And then Boom comes the first shot. And in milliseconds the audience is thinking is it the army? It can’t be autobots. Screw that, it’s the flipping miracle. IT WAS SO COOL. Clearly people would die in this movie; I was genuinely scared we would lose main characters. I’m 23 today, you can’t take this from me. It was the coolest scene in any movie I’ve watched. I was fully emotionally captivated at the time. What an experience. I don’t think I’ve ever felt like that since. Maybe avengers endgame when the whole universe comes to fight thanos. Hate on Michael Bay. He gave me a lot of the best movies of my childhood and teenage years. Meanwhile teaching me that the main character is always nice and is willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good. Like Tom hollands Spider-Man. Nobody will take my love for dark of the moon from me
I’m in the same boat brother only I fell in love with the first movie and this
Another PG-13 movie that gets away with brutal violence thanks to the "If it's robots it doesn't count!" rule was Alita: Battle Angel. You had arms in eye sockets, spines ripped out, faces sliced off, and a little dog obliterated just off screen. That movie was wild bro.
The source material makes the movie look like child’s play.
It's not blood! It's blue colored! It doesn't count
Pacific Rim got away with it as well with the Kaiju gore, they were literally being mutilated, bisected, and burned yet because they're monsters it still doesn't count lmao
@deen2099 That's true, but also, as specified in the film, they were literally bespoke alien extermination bio-machines. I don't think they would even have any level of reproductive capability as a group, which makes specifying them as a "species" or even an "animal", as we understand the idea, pretty difficult. Like, animals generally seek to avoid conflict and unnecessary risk and physical violence, if only out of a desire to perpetuate their genes before dying. Seeking-out conflict and violence was all the PR Kaiju did, their own "lives" apparently notwithstanding. They were pretty much just tools, ie. weapons designed to destroy via the weapon's own destruction. They were about as much animals as one of the Robowars contestants or an FPV drone was a sentient AI.
So I agree that the violence was pretty graphic and horrific when you think about it, and it was definitely neither received that way by the audience nor intended by the film-makers to be received as such, which I'm sure was a satirical point. It felt a lot different than, say, Godzilla taking a hit in any of the new Monsterverse films, which raises interesting questions like the ones you posited, eg "when is violence "bad", and what makes it feel that way to us, but only sometimes?". The whole movie has a certain Verhoeven feel, but that part in particular, now that you mention it, reminds heavily of the Robocop bit of "ED-209 shooting an exec into paste is funny, Clarence Boddicker's gang doing the same thing to Murphy a few minutes later is soul-crushing". In PR, the audience really has more empathy for damage done to the mechanical Jaegers than the biological Kaijus, which is quite a feat.
cry about it
That “somehow they must’ve picked up that fuel rod.”
Really reminds me of: “Somehow palpatine returned.”
Are you a man masquerading as a woman? Also stay away
Damn, you might be onto something: the Decepticons may have tapped into The Force. It was the Robo-Sith all along!
@@AtlasJotun
IDW readers: Damnit, what did Shockwave do this time?
did you forget the cloning facility on Kamino?
@@litewave5186 Disneyfilm forgot A LOT.
We were robbed an actual proper ending that would’ve showed character growth for both the hero and the villain. Oh well, the funny megaman’s head went off.
On the one hand, it would have been more narratively satisfying for the hero and villain of the franchise to team up to destroy the living embodiment of the endless glorification of war between their people, and finally take steps towards establishing a lasting peace and ultimately rekindling their relationship as brothers-in-arms, no longer bound to an eternity of bloodshed.
On the other hand, seeing the robot rip the other robot's head off makes my monkey brain go OOOOOOOOOH
Gotta agree with you there. Funny robots go AGGREHEHEHBEEBRR
“Super fighting robot”
Imo the original ending would've been weird as Megatron and the cons just got done massacring a whole city and Prime just let him go and trusting he's actually changed. Also when I saw the original ending it seemed way too wordy to have a satisfying ending to the trilogy. Plus the "Time to find out" actually sends chills down my spine every time I hear it along with the music too
Nah sorry, Megatron getting fuckin obliterated was great and I legit wouldn't want it any other way
I’m glad you brought up the soundtrack (21:15). I feel like Steve Jablonsky does not get a lot of credit for The Score he made for this franchise. The movies are not perfect, but the soundtrack is amazing and Dark Of The Moon is my favourite out of all five. I just wish iTunes and Spotify didn’t remove this film’s Score from their website. God Bless Steve Jablonsky.
Once I realized he'd worked on the sims as well as transformers among other things I was shocked. His musical versatility is amazing
I mean. Have you heard the gears of war soundtrack? He’s a legend
Sentinel Prime killing Ironhide was like General Shepard betraying Ghost and Roach from MW2 levels of shocking.
Nah MW2 did it better. Sentinel's betrayal was obvious from the start
I didn't see it coming. And even after watching the movie at least 10 times i still can't see how anyone could have seen that coming.
Literally the moment I began to hate transformers. I loved iron hide
@@charleskavoukjian3441 bruh same. I was pretty upset when the off'd him like that
But Ironhide had no personality
What always killed me was how, in each movie, there were characters that just showed up and disappeared with no explanation and in each movie there's this "ultimate powerful thing" or a shit load of robots hanging out somewhere that was just forgotten about. Like, Megatron just forgot about the shit ton of decepticons on the moon or he wasn't told and you'd think that would have been mentioned at some point..
Megatron has taken many hits to the head
Watch Trans Theories he fills in quite a lot of gaps and answers questions with head cannons that he justifies well-enough to be believable
If you want something even weirder than all that, Barricade, the Police Car Decepticon, is the only Decepticon to survive more Movies than any other Decepticon in the entire film series. The dude was here since since the first film and lived all the way to the fifth before possibly being killed by Bumblebee.
@@electricfeverx976
Barricade is such a bizarre character. He disappears entirely from the first film, despite being one of the most prominent Decepticons; returns and is promptly killed off at the end of "The Veiled Threat," a prequel novel that takes place before "Revenge of the Fallen,"; appears once again in "Dark of the Moon," and somehow isn't murdered along with the rest of the Decepticon Army; never shows his face for the entirety of the fourth film; and is back again for the fifth film.
@@kamikazelemming1552 he also dies again in the game adaptation
Fun fact. This movie and Kung Fu Panda 2 were released on the same year, and they both had a scene where the characters had to escape a building being toppled over from the inside.
Future video: “That one time Hollywood made two movies where both characters have to escape a building being toppled over from the inside”
But Kung Fu Panda 2 was actually a very good film
Clearly, one of them has more flaws than the other, and I'm looking at you, Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon!
To be fair it’s a fairly common action movie setpiece. The new suicide squad did it too just off the top of my head
@@iivvrryy back when dotm did it, basically no one else did (just like the beam in the sky thing)
“This evil thing’s looking at me!” is my favorite line in any of these movie’s. It’s so lazy and weird that it wraps around to being hilarious and great.
The human side of the big fight felt straight out of a Battlefield campaign. You could play the BF4 main theme during the collapsing tower sequence and it fits the scene like a glove.
Bits of call of duty in their too. Over the top scenarios where the characters miraculously survive, unlocking a massive conspiracy, big chase scene, having to get to a certain point where you have to capture someone part of the conspiracy and prematurely kill them, jumping out of an osprey and somehow surviving, sniping on top of buildings, planting explosives on certain areas, calling in an air strike, using a canon to knock down a certain object, massive fight between the hero and villain where the hero ends up losing, but someone else comes in to help, then the hero finishes the job, having to do everything yourself, and finally a cliffhanger ending that completes the main story (probably a few I forgot)
Uhh.. but BF4 (2012 - console/2013 - PC) is released after Bay's Transformers 3 (2011). It more looks like Call of Duty MW3 (2011) to me, even the setting is city battle.
@@Cyan_Nightingale yeah some people just like to complain and compare
TF to anything involving military and sci-fi IPs
@@hiddenfossil999 maybe because it's a sci-fi movie with military elements?
Funny because when he showed that scene I thought the music sounded like battlefield
Fun FACT: Shockwave was supposed to be the main antagonist but for some reason was replaced by sentinel
That would felt better
That actually makes a lot of sense because in most of the other continuities he's a scientist that would go to any length to gain an advantage against his opposition. At one point he literally cloned FUCKING DINOSAURS to increase the strength of the Decepticon army, so the idea that he would just teleport a planet next to another one to more efficiently tap its resources is definitely something he would do(regardless of how bonkers that idea is).
@@EaterOfBirbs
Now that you put it that way, it DOES fit Shockwave's character better.
IMO, Shockwave was wasted potential. In the original iterations he was an absolute menace and even in the movie, that shot where he stood staring with the debris and shit falling around him gave me those good chills. A shame he didn’t really do too much.
In the game that came out before the movie, he was literally the main bad guy and hypes him up so much. I was so mad seeing him being relegated in the movie.😊
The major problem with transformers is that the transformers themselves are SECONDARY characters to their own movie. The humans were too much of a focus (Sam has hours of screen time while Optimus is under an hour), hell even in the new bumblebee movie the deceptions were still pretty undermined but they were still utilized well enough as villains.
I never liked the humans in transformers media
@@myface6739 same, should've made the soldier characters the main characters
Yeah it's like the recent Godzila movies. Like no one give a fuck about a family drama I came for the Godzila not some 40 yrs olds arguing who's a better parent.
Bumblebee was great tho
@@LordVader1094 yes
A thing I also like in this movie is Soundwave being an amazing spymaster and pulling off the conspiracy pretty much on is own.
Heck, this might be the most efficient Decepticon in the 5 films.
The betrayal and Ironhide’s death was one of the most shocking things I’ve ever seen as a kid. Really blew me away and made me hate the villains. Which is awesome for a movie to be able to do.
Bro same! I loved Ironhide because we had the same sense of humor and personality (minus the violence)
@@quillsoul the violence comes with age, I imagine
Just blew your 5 year old brain to bits, didn't it? I was a teen at the time and even now as an adult it hurts to think about how dirty Ironhide was done. I miss him, Jazz, and Ratchet ; - ;
@grimlock smash I even had an Iron hide Action figure
It's fascinating how as kids we cared so much about a character that had so little lines throughout that you could count them on your fingers
I never looked into it, but I definitely noticed how much it felt like Carly was meant to be Mikaela. Her dialog with Megatron is definitely more something Mikaela would know to do than Carly.
exactly. at that point Mikaela and had seen each other enough for him not to kill her on site for her audacity. It was weird to see him listen to this rando woman.
I literally didn't even realise they were different actors
@@0g0mogosepikworld31 And it shows how there isn't much to these characters beyond the surface level stereotypes that are vaguely relatable.
Motor crazed chick? Check.
Average fuckup of a joe? Check.
Some of the most stereotypical, clueless parents I have ever seen? Check.
3 letter agency guy that gets kicked out, and goes slightly unhinged? Ok you know what? He is a fun character.
Stereotypes can be fun if actually played around with, see the game Team Fortress 2 and it's short movies for that. Transformers, with few exceptions, have boring characters that only serve to have some relatable characters. You don't watch Transformers for Sam or... Whatever her name is again. You watch Transformers to see massive CGI robots duke it out. It's the ultimate fast food of movies.
PointlessHub had to point it out for me, it just makes way more sense that Carly working w cars is a carryover from Mikaela, as well the triangle dynamic making way more sense w Mikaela involved
I still wonder why they didn't just recast for Mikaela instead of having to switch to a new chick.
I always liked how the deceptions are more willing to take prisoners while going for the spark for every kill (instant death) while the autobots kill in the most brutal ways while not taking prisoners.
Did you not see what they did to Chicago? Did you not see how they were going destroy the Earth to recreate Cybertron? My guy, those decepticons deserved to die.
They're the instagators of the conflict (I think) but they're also, like, morally better about it than the ones they picked a fight with.
Deceptions are soldier class (cybertron has a caste system), auto bots aren’t soldier class. This explains why the deceptions are so quick to eliminate. I don’t know why the auto bots are so brutal though it doesn’t make sense.
The actions of guerrilla soldiers tend to be more brutal than professional soldiers @@shoazdon7000
@@shoazdon7000 it's because the bay movies pay more attention to being entertaining than being accurate. Autobots in general in this franchise are the ones more willing to take in prisoners almost regardless of who that decepticon may be. Decepticons are a solid 50/50. Either they take you prisoner or kill you immediately or both. Autobots only kill when they're in battle, otherwise they take cons in as prisoners of war only.
THAT is how it should be in these films but of course...Bay isn't a fan so...what can you expect
17:14 Megatron's wheelyfoots are clipping through the floor
Oh damn, that’s really blatant.
"Remember when this started as a ploy to sell plastic toys?"
That implies it's not _still_ a ploy to sell toys.
Ironic considering the TF3 were kind of bad
Well, it arguably started as a ploy to sell die-cast metal toys. But it's a lost art.
Is supposed to sell video games to 14 to 24 year old boys now
the difference is instead of selling toys to young children, these movies aim to sell them to edgy middle schoolers
Ironically it made people more interested in "toys" from third party companies instead from Hasbro cause those were more accurate
I do think it's pretty hardcore that over the films, Optimus loses more of his friends and crew over the movies then by Dark of The Moon some of his closest friends were dead, which in my opinion creates this feeling that he's losing, ironically, any sense of holding back his rage and thats why he's become someone who fights like a villain more than a hero.
Fun Fact: The voice of optimus Peter Cullen didn't want to say the line, " We will kill them all." Because he says Optimus wouldn't say that. But Michael Bay told him in an Angrily Tone to just say it!!
Because Bay is a corny weirdo.
"JUST DO IT"
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Feel for Culler - voiced the character so well for so many years and was finally forced the betray him for another sociopathic Bayhem wasteland of a film
its a paid actor dawg
I don't know if I've seen anyone point this out, but Dark of The Moon is just a slightly modified version of the G1 series of episodes "Megatron's Master Plan" combined with "The Ultimate Doom".
Megatron turns humans against the Autobots. That's lifted from Megatron's Master Plan.
Cybertron is brought into Earth's orbit. That's from The Ultimate Doom.
Autobots are forced to leave on a human ship. Megatron's Master Plan AGAIN.
Decepticons enslaving humanity is from those episodes too.
Decepticons working with humans is from those episodes.
Megatron taking the Lincoln Memorial and sitting on it as a throne is just lifted directly from G1. It's either the Master Plan episodes again, or "Atlantis, Arise!" Either way, it's still just the 80s again.
The first three movies are just G1 plot lines but made more edgy.
Sun harvester? "Changing Gears".
World travel? Season 2 is full of it.
Carly as a character was lifted from G1, though she has zero resemblance to the 80s character besides being blonde and the love interest of the main human character.
There's probably more that I'm forgetting too.
Now that I think about it , they could’ve used Ironsides death as a way to fuel Optimus’s rage. Giving a reason as to why he killed Sentinel. “This is for ironhide” *BOOM* and then for megatron, “you were the reason behind this”
A perfect exavme is in the 4th movie when Optimus sees the people at KSI melting Ratchets head, he then goes in and fucks up the place.
Except killing Sentinel for that reason, that was in the movie alone (feeling betraied) is reason enough, no need for a "revenge". In Bayformers 1 (2007), Megs killed Jazz and OP didn't go for him to KILL HIM TO AVENGE HIS FRIEND, he still tried to sacrifice himself, rather than killing Megs outright, but it was Sam pushing the cube into Mega's chest, that killed him. So putting personal feelings for the loss of a friend aside was totally in character for OP in TF3. Also Megs wasn't the whole reason "behind this", it was Sentinel, he came up with the "truce" with the Decepticons. Sentinel was the mastermind behind all that. Yes, Megatron was evil and whatnot, but had like zero influence over Sentinel's plan. Sentinel even scolded Megs in one scene like a dog to "show him his place", not something you see as an interaction between completely balanced partners in crime. Sentinel had the main word in their agreement. And Optimus knew both characters well to realize that. He killed Megatron for other reason, than "being behind it all". There's also an unused early draft (well, it got incorporated into the novelisation of DotM, I think), where Megs doesn't get killed, instead OP reaches for him, giving him a hand and they return to Cybertron rebuilding it together. The movie was supposed to end like that originally, but Bay decided it wouldn't work well, so Megs got killed by Optimus. There really is no reason for "this is for Ironhide" and "you were behind all of this".
EDIT: the video is talking about the draft as well, haven't seen it all, before commenting. So yea, this only proves my words.
Optimus in film 1: You know we do not harm humans!
Optimus in film 4: *casually shoots the bad human*
@@Gorbz ay it’s a bad human though, so it’s alright
@@Croftice1 He is still supposed to be an inspiring heroic figure in a movie based on a toyline. Not the story of a war veteran turning crazy. It's just that Bay and his team dont give a fuck and have him say stupid violent lines because they masturbate to their guns, just like you. And audience members like yourself found this shit deep and profound, while also applauding said violence and thinking it's a good thing. "This guy is bad, i have the right to disembowl him". No you dont. This is why laws exist, so that the state handles that, otherwise we're savages pulling each others eyes out. Hack Snyder did the same thing with Superman. I expect to see a movie about Jesus, or Budda, or Ghandi wielding katanas and chopping people's heads off. "The romans were bad, they deserved it and Jesus had enough of their shit. It's called character development". "But it misses the point of Jes..." "IT'S CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT I SAID!!"
@@Gorbz he did say earlier that the one responsible for all that was going to die. Not that he knew the guy was actually the one responsible.
A thing I’m glad to see being renovated with the new movies like bumblebee, is that every transformer doesn’t have to be a really nice expensive sports car. Like bumblebee always looked best in his first beat up camero look in the first movie. And that car actually blends in. Same with the bug
If my memory serves correct, during the production years of the first Bay-formers movie, certain car companies like Volkswagen and Porsche did not want to license their cars to Hasbro under the stigma that the Transformers are nothing but war machines. This resulted in characters like Bumblebee and Jazz having to take completely different vehicle modes.
@@lance2580 Apparently they got over it?
@@mrscruffles801 Volkswagen got over it back in 2014 as MP Bee was released, and with ROTB Porsche seems to be finally fine with them showing up in TF as well.
Is Jack again
@@DakotaofRaptors no I don't think jack again
Here’s why we like Dark of the Moon. It’s just dope. The crass nature and absurd violence, things which would often be bad, is taken so far beyond the line in this movie that it loops back around to being incredible, if only because it’s impressive that they could take it this far. I love it. It’s glorious. It is fun for the sake of fun, and I absolutely love it.
That’s what I’ve said about ROTF for years it’s so ridiculous especially for a Transformers movie it’s awesome like they really gave Devastator balls in that movie lol
My thing is people try to critique the movies on being narrative masterpieces but transformers has never been heavily narrative driven. It’s always just been fun giant robots that turn into cars fighting with eachother, and that’s what Michael bay did he had fun with the movies and action and I love it.
Thats what im tryna say bro like i aint tryna see hotrod fuck up optimus prime again, i wanna see huge robo refugees commit warcrimes
Wdym? Violence is always fun. The more creative, brutal and unique, the better it is.
@@taigaseji Exactly. People always say “muhhhh such bad movie no good plot waaaah” when that’s not the point. It’s not trying to be a well driven story. It’s just dumb fun with cool ass robots and that’s all it’s trying to be.
Maybe it’s time we just accept this Optimus how he is: a soldier who’s let war consume morality and thus lead to him becoming more ruthless and unforgiving. That’s just the take on the character, and it’s probably best if it remain the sole example of it.
Dark Of The Moon is actually kinda similar to to an arc in the original series. In “The Transformers: The Ultimate Doom” the decepticons use a space bridge to bring Cybertron to earth, but instead it screws with the planet and starts to tear Earth apart. They also mind controlled a bunch of humans too, and we’re going to use them as slave labor.
The Autobots being exiled is also based on G1. Megatron's Master Plan
I remember years ago when the Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Wii game was released. One of cool little things in the game was that exact arc. It was a miniature movie split into three episodes.
I remember watching that on the wii!
There's also an episode I remember where they get a rusting virus from a weapon, hence the inspiration for Sentinel's rusting blaster.
@@titansnakehistoric5814 yeah, I rewatched it all the time on my ps2 version of the game.
I agree that the final third was the main reason that this film is good, in my opinion it defines the phrase 'epic blockbuster' and the score is incredible.
Best part of the movie. From the Autobot battles, the halo jump, "duels" and erratic action. It was a real experience seeing it in the theatre
When people say, "DOTM is my favorite Transformers movie," what they mean is, "the city battle from DOTM fucking rules." Nobody remembers the rest of the movie because the third act is so cool that everything before it is considered irrelevant.
BUT THEY SHOULD, because Ken Jeong gets thrown out of an office building window after losing a gunfight against a robot bird at the end of the first act, and I think that's hilarious.
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 Ken Jeong is always a win for me xD
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 If you fuck up and Ken Jeong appearence in a movie then you've done something wrong. Also other people do remember the movie. I love the first 3 Bayformers even with their flaws and remember then fondly.
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 That and the Highway Chase, along with Sentinel's twist reveal. Oh, and the Cybertron prologue too.
Optimus talking to Buzz Aldrin is the coolest thing that happened in these movies
The first Transformers movie was the first movie my wife and I watched together before we started dating.
Revenge Of The Fallen was the last movie we saw in theatres before our son was born.
Dark Of The Moon... has no significant milestone in our house, other than it being the first Bayformers movie I didn't see in theatres, being better than Revenge Of The Fallen, and the final live-action Transformers movie I ever watched.
Thank you for marathoning these movies and presenting them in a way that keeps me from having to actually go back and rewatch them (the first one doesn't hold up in my eyes).
*Fun Fact:* Japan (where Transformers originates, kind of) has this thing with robots where, if it wasn't piloted by a human a la Gundam, it was seen as kiddy.
When Bayformers came out, they were shocked.
It gets funnier upon realizing that _Transformers: Rescue Bots_ was never localized for Japan, even though that show was one of the few instances where humans can safely pilot Transformers that were in robot mode.
@@lance2580 That's mostly cause Prime bombed as hard as Beast Wars Neo in Japan and so the brand right now is basically on nostalgia life support, so Takara didn't import Prime S3 along with Rescue Bots.
@@grand_max66 and these modern films didn't help much either
@@grand_max66 W8 Prime bombed in Japan? fkn how? It's great! They must've had sh1t taste back then
@@herbalyzoltan409 In Japan the cultural differences compared to here meant Prime was already going to be a hard sell as the "Very mature show but only as mature as a PG-13 gets" isn't as popular (and Japanese kids seemingly are more interested in human piloted robots and sentience robots), while it's far more popular to either be Gundam-mature from the offset, be a goofy fun kids show like the dubs for Beast Wars and Animated, or start out as just a fun kids show but build up to more serious stuff as the show goes on like with Armada.
So to try and circumvent this Takara got the guy who dubbed Beast Wars and Animated (dubs that aimed for an even lower age demographic than the original scripts did) to do the dub for Prime, while at the same time marketing the toys at mostly old fans rather than for "all ages" like Hasbro. So with both things targeted at different age groups and the dub not at all fitting the show Prime bombed so hard they didn't import Season 3 and instead made "Transformers Go!" which also bombed, to the point you can still find unopened Prime and Beast Hunter Toys on Japanese markets for rather cheap.
Now a similar thing happened in the 90s when Takara made two Beast Wars spinoff shows, Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo, while waiting for S2/3 of the CG show to be ready to dub, but BW Neo bombed in a similar manner due to the complex toys and basically killed almost all interest by kids and some fans in Transmetals and stopped Takara from importing Beast Machines till 2005. Takara then made Transformers Car Robots (later dubbed into 2001 Robots in Disguise) to try and soften the blow and then saw an explosive resurgence to popularity with Armada, but unlike Neo there hasn't been a show with a massive marketing push like Armada that has come after TF: Prime, so now most of Takara's TF sales come from the Masterpiece G1/BW and MPM lines. Which is why we didn't see an original Takara TF mold in Mainline/Generations again after 2012 and it was only repaints/retools till 2018, where now they just have straight repacks of Hasbro's toys.
The transformers score has to be one of the most iconic modern soundtracks tbh. Like everyone’s heard arrival to earth at some point whether they’ve seen the movies or not
The only series i can think of that has a more iconic score for me is dark knight, and that is saying a ton for the transformers score. Steve did an incredible job
Nvm I remembered Harry Potter
I love the soundtrack, but Star Wars is absolutely taking that spot.
@@hokkaidosnow6643 By "modern" they probably meant between the year 2000 - present
@@rifath8152 well, the star wars fandom is very devisive but never have I heard people complain about the prequels soundtrack. So that would take the spot. That being said transformers had a great soundtrack as well.
eh… Interestellar takes the cake. The music in Interestellar is literally its own character (time), and it’s not just there to enhance the environment
Transformers 1: The Hoover Dam is a conspiracy.
Transformers 2: The pyramids are a conspiracy.
Transformers 3: The moon is a conspiracy.
Transformers 5: the entire planet is a conspiracy
Transformers 6: Is a conspiracy
22:37 he rips out his entire spine as well.
Honestly i enjoy brutal Optimus Prime, its like his patience just reached limits and started to go on rampage for all those years.
i kinda wish Hasbro would return to either Bay 1-3 Optimus or Armada Optimus.
@@F14thunderhawk dear god no
I always thought it was odd that after being a bullied shell of his former self that Megatron just got iced in such a brutal way after saving his lifelong enemy from the big bad. It's nice to know that there actually was a second ending that would have played out much more in line with how I would have thought it would have went.
But knowing the history .... can you really trust megtron for his words for peace and solem? Thousands of years of war and strife on Cybertronian and because Sentienal made him a little bitch at the end and knew he was in shape to over run he just game up. If somebody shows you over and over again who they are you have to believe them at some point no matter how much you want to believe something else. Evyerbody talks about how weak Megatron is but he wasn't the same Megatron from the first movie. No original parts and very muched weakened and in 2 he uses a spark of a lesser ranked decepticon and spare parts. As for Optimus, not only was he prime but he inherited a spark and parts from an OG (very similar to The FAllen" with instant transmission and overall more anciet knowledge and strength from Jetfire. Gained the knowledge and ability to use flight that he did had an upgraded trailer for all his knew weapons and flight tech.... If you remember Optimus was getting his ass handed baaaadly in the first movie and was going to have Sam sacrifice him for the greater good and Sam killed Megatron instead ... that's the turn off the tide right there
@@BlaqcRain I don't think the movie is deep enough for logic to play a role here
@@p00bix but the writers seem to have a bit of character development involved from this trilogy which is why the movie and scene was put together as such .. you aren't giving the film enough logically credit
You seem to forget him telling Sentinel "this planet is mine" while attacking him, huh?
@@p00bixLogic plays a role everywhere, if logic ruins the movie then it's simply a bad movie.
This movie had some of the rawest Optimus diolouge, can never forget "GIVE ME YOUR FACE" or the scene where Optimus, after grounding a Decepticon fighter, cocks his gun and a bullet shell the size of an oil drum doinks off of the pavement, the camera pans to his face, and he says "We will kill them all." I miss this type of writing so much.
You know shit got real when he's all for murder.
It's so opposite to what cartoonish Optimus is that it's kinda hilarious.
People get mad these movies aren't like the original series, but they are going for realism. This is realism if giant robots fought a shadow war on our planet
“Give me your face.” Was from Revenge of the Fallen but that scene where he popped the guy coming out of the ship was cold asf
@@spadehaze1541 dang my mistake but absolutely still raw af 🤝
Yeah. That was a really epic moment.
Digging the Spyro music in the background
Everybody immediately goes for the "No Optimus", yet nobody brings up Sentinel betrayed them and shot Ironhide in the back while doing it. Or the hostages being wasted beforehand by Decepticons.
Edit: I think a lot of people sleep on the true character arc of Optimus in these movies. In 1, he tried fighting with honor, yet it still wasn't enough to beat Megatron. Also, though it was barely focused on, Jazz's death must've hit him harder than we realize. In 2, people focus on Optimus's brutality, but they never focus on the fights themselves. The woods fight was literally 3 against 1, sorry if he can't be as composed as people think he should be. Then against the fallen, he just got juiced up by the power given to him by Jetfire, I think you can cut him slack for going a overboard in killing the fallen. Not to mention, he had to be thorough in killing the fallen, cuz his name literally implies that he'll rise again if you don't kill him right. 3rd movie, it comes full circle. He tried to be the honorable big metal boyscout at the start, but first he finds out he was lied to again by the humans, there goes that trust. Then he tries to do the honorable thing and hand back leadership to his teacher, Sentinel. We all knows how that goes. Then the humans straight up tell them to get off the planet, he goes along in hopes that the decepticons at the very least will honor the deal and spare humanity if they leave. They immediately shoot them down and start wasting humans. Then in the fight, did Sentinel show mercy? Stabs him, cuts his arm off, then tries to impale him. Sorry, but the honor is dead, and the War killed it. Optimus was just done with all of it. Look what honor got him, his friends are dead, betrayal on all sides, and no place to call home. I'm assuming that Optimus thought that if he let either of them live, it'd all start over again. How could he trust them to surrender or honor the truce, when they wouldn't even let him surrender honorably. He truly wanted to be free of this, which is why I felt it when he said it was time to find out.
Exactly, people sleep on Optimus' character because it's not the focal point (sam's POV being the focal point.) Plus, in every movie optimus was fighting for a planet and a people to save. There's no do-overs, not after the Cube was destroyed (along with the prospect of reviving his race.) If he looses Earth and humanity, that's it game over. It's like a father fighting a pack of rabid dogs to save his kid.
I would agree, if not for the fact the first scene in revenge of the fallen, has Optimus executing a defeated enemy by point blank blowing their head off.
i love how you actually tried to rationalize optimus having a character arc in these fucking movies 💀
@@scintilla3957 it explains why In the tie in media, funny enough the writer for the comics for the movie franchise was able to make everything make sense, only for AOE and TLK to ruin everything done
One of my favorite instances is the 3v1 in the forest in the second movie. I think it's great and one of the strongest points of the trilogy if you really examine it - Optimus's number one objective right there is to make sure Sam is safe, and it shows in the way he's playing defense hardcore. But once Optimus thinks Sam is dead or out of the way, he decides to show the Decepticons what's what by turning the tables and cutting them down with absolutely no effort at all, and he only dies because he goes looking for Sam again. If he had paid more attention he likely would have ended Megatron's life right there instead of vice versa. People often forget that Prime is a title and not his actual surname or anything, and it takes an absolute force of nature to be worthy of the title, typically only given to a bot worthy of being the Autobot leader, which is a very tall order. I think him going balls to the wall in the forest was perfectly fitting for the character. Optimus believes in reform, but if it's not only his life on the line, but humanity's and his newfound home after all the loss and bloodshed he's had to be a part of, I think it pans out as a perfectly fine for him to remind the Decepticons exactly who they're dealing with, on top of him likely thinking Sam was dead in the moment.
I like to think that Optimus growing more and more brutal was intentional and that he just gets fed up of caring and actually tries to win instead of just prolonging the conflict.
I don't, its so fucking sad. He lost Jax, then Ironhide, then Ratchet, and almost everyone else. I'm so fucking sad for him
@@eveleene3613 right one after another
@@sahilrahman5066 Right? I think Sam dying was his breaking point, where he just gave up
@@eveleene3613 everyone has a breaking point tired of struggling and want to end it all
@@eveleene3613 Wait Sam dies when is it off screen ?
I found it quite funny that Michael Bay made an entirely new character to replace Mikaela because of his disputes with Megan Fox. But could have just recasted her to the new actress since they looked so similar. Just ask the new actress to dye her hair black and done. It would have made Sam's relationship with her make more sense.
Spielberg's disputes
If there is one thing that Michael Bay has infinite reserves of, it’s spite
i heard it wasnt even bay that fired megan it was steven spielberg
@@radioxxxg3n It’s up for debate, honestly; no one really knows for sure, but personally, I don’t think Spielberg seems like the kind of guy who would do something like that. He seems far too humble.
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 IIRC, the issue wasn't the criticism, it was the fact she called him "Hitler" because that's a real sensitive spot for Spielberg, or something to that effect.
The fact that you use transformers galaxy forces soundtrack for this gives me a new level of respect for you
I'm not the only one who noticed. Nice o7
Being from Illinois, this movie meant a lot to me as a kid because it showed the place I was from. Being able to look at it and think "oh hey that's just like a block away from where my dad works" was a lot of fun. It's a shame they don't make more movies focused on Chicago.
The only thing my hometown has going for it in terms of movie filming was Pearl Harbor and the Selena movie...
There are so many movies set in Chicago or suburbs...
@@DakotaofRaptors The only kind of notoriety my area has in film is Pine Grove, CA was mentioned in an episode of Sons of Anarchy.
@@homeygfunkoffacherryfruitl4971 if we're talking about shows too, Corpus Christi, Texas was mentioned a couple of times in crime and paranormal shows - notably Ghost Hunters' USS Lexington and Signs of a Psychopath (I think the show was called that)
They would probably get shot while filming, after all this is Chicago.
Hot take: Shockwave's redesign in this movie is actually really damn good looking. The only thing I'd change is making him purple again.
He actually was Purple in the Film, but it was pretty desaturated.
Shockwave is the only Michael Bay design that works for me. It's a shame he doesn't transform really.
They fucked up sound wave though. One of the coolest characters and he’s barely in any of the movies.
Yeah they made him badass for being a scientist lol😂
With Shockwave you can still see Gen 1 in there somewhat so he really is one of the better ones
There’s an interview with Michael Bay, or a behind the scenes, somewhere where he explains his vision for the third act was to make it “The Black Hawk Down of Transformers”. Which actually makes a lot of sense of the intense war vibe.
Also I love the Wreckers. The NASCAR theme is perfect! “We don’t let them out much because they’re assholes”
Wait really? I guess it makes sense,but where exactly did he say it?
Mission accomplished
nvm I searched and it was an MTV interview
9:11 pov me pouring gasoline in a ant hill
Ah yes, the transformers move that depicted Optimus ''freedom is the right of sentient beings'' Prime just straight up execute his father figure and (kinda) brother. Well done, Bay.
Killing Megatron isn't bad on paper, Transformers prime and armada did it right. Bay just sucks at making movies
The ending was changed last minute, due to it being leaked via other media sources before the film came out. I believe there was around a month or two for the ending to be changed before release, which sucks. The original ending was much better
@@HypoZilla what was the original ending?
@@JosephSmith-lm4ri Did you not watch the video?
@@JosephSmith-lm4ri Optimus and Megatron team up against Sentinel and kill him, Megatron saying ‘Two Shall Stand, One Shall Fall’
Megatron then tells Optimus he no longer wants to fight. Optimus is ready to kill Megatron but he doesn’t. Megatron says he will return to Cybertron and rebuild, and the war will end. Optimus is left with the question of whether Megatron will hold true to his words. Rest of the ending plays out roughly the same, and that’s about it
I watched this movie with friends and there's this part where the Decepticons say they're going to enslave humanity. I started loudly calling that idiotic since giant robots would be able to do anything better than humans could
And then they started turning people into meat mist
The idea behind decepticons decision is why would you do something if you can make someone else do it for you? This movies might be edgy but they still have childish and naive ideas behind factions from the cartoons.
@@ffs-forfunsake6474but I wouldn't enslave ants to bring me a cup of water: it's going to take so much more time it's not even useful
@@pascalsimioli6777 That's the thing, just like "why would we believe someone who call themselve decepticons". Mass genocide is a bit dark even for an edgy teenager movie, no way they're can squeeze it into a PG.
@@pascalsimioli6777in the movie the humans literally caught bodies with the decepticons lol.
Kong: Skull Island was another movie that should've been rated R but was PG-13. There's a scene where a guy gets impaled through the mouth and out the back of his head by a giant spider leg. It was a dead-on shot of it and in full light. A guy got pelted into a wall and exploded from the grenades in his hand. I think it had enough swearing to stop it from being PG-13 too
There’s also the way Kong kills the final skullcrawler. He straight up rips out its tongue so hard that it rips out its digestive organs as well
Honestly Kong(the character)had the most brutal kills in the MonsterVerse now that I think about it.
a guy getting pelted into a wall and going boom from his grenades is not very gruesom. Neither is the dude getting impaled by a spider. And Kong ripping out the tongue well. As long as it's not human gore, it'sgood and fine!
@@CHRF-55457 two out of them are human gore 💀
Bra my dad let's my lil brother watch it and his super strict about movies. Kong is for sure a teen/adult movie.
Wasn't there a guy that got ripped apart in the daylight by the weird bird things
That toy story 2 game music in the background is fire!
I remember being in Chicago when this movie was being filmed. I could see one of the set pieces from my hotel room. Every night I’d hear nothing but explosions. One morning my mom asked what they were filming and she thought my stepdad was joking when he told her it was transformers.
it was awesome
To explain the coldness of Optimus, there are actually quite a few IDW tie-in comics from the first 3 movies, and they actually go a lot more in depth with Optimus's mental state, since early in the war he was similar to what you'd expect from him, but after oh so many years of fighting, along with the news of Sentinel's "death", he kind of snapped in a sense, just going full on Rambo at the Decepticons.
Real talk. Did his death count ever beat Topper Harley's record??
When I saw this movie in theaters as a child I had to walk out cause I started crying when the deceptions were disintegrating people, it was brutal as a kid
I watched it today for the first time and I was shocked that they showed that. Random civilians die in PG-13 movies all the time but I feel like it’s usually implied rather than shown on screen. The Avengers had zero on-screen civilian deaths so this movie was pretty crazy to me
@@alpacawithouthat987 i remember Child me being dissapointed of Avengers dont showing civilians deaths, i wasn't able to take the movie seriously
When I was little I thought it was cool rather than terrifying
I remember I was surprise by it
Pwussy bwoy 😂
That "NO, OPTIMUS!" clip is the best out of context movie moment ever 😂
Imagine your favorite toy commiting war crimes.
I always found it strange how Patrick Dempsey's character had other human collaborators working with him, yet they were never brought up in the next movies
They seem to be rich. Must likely funded cementary wind to get reduced "sentences"
I don't think Michael Bay knows what continuity is, and I never want him to learn about it
When you realize these movies had multiple writers it makes sense why nothing in them makes sense,the first one is the only consistent one.
Didn't he died after he got electrocuted at the end?
@@Tgungen yeah, but his other collaborators were still around after his death. Unless NEST had a "Dust to Dust" from Modern Warfare 3 type of mission where they stormed the remaining collaborators at one of their buildings in full armory and weaponry, we don't know what happened to them
I think that Optimus basically contracted the cybertronian equivalent to ptsd. The centuries of war, losing close friends and allies, him dying, the betrayal of Sentinel, almost being killed again when he was being forced to leave earth, losing his arm, etc. I think this version of optimus finally had enough and basically went, Fuck it.
bro, optimus has faced millions of years of war on cybertron, i seriously doubt that just a few years on earth would make optimus become a war criminal
@@seabass273as somebody who has also lived a few years on Earth, I don't blame him honestly
@@seabass273wasn’t it stated that the earth was actually unicron? Probably influenced him somehow
@@seabass273
I think it’s because he doesn’t want Earth to become another Cybertron. Keep in mind, he intended to commit suicide in order to save Earth in the first movie by merging his spark with the Cube.
@@seabass273 Listen man, if it took Ultron a a few minutes of scouring the internet to decide we had to be eradicated, 4 years on earth seems pretty generous for someone to become a cold blooded killer.
9:18 The scene with the Decepticon warships bombarding the city looks more like the Yuuzhan Vong invading Coruscant from Star Wars than something out of Transformers.
Oh my god the Yuuzhan Vong! I see the similarities.
Yeah, the ship designs look similar to what a vong ship would look like.
I can already see a non comic book reader saying “wtf are you talking about”.
Bro never thought I hear that name in a while
@@cineman7936we all long for the vong
Bay made the best Sci Fi battles I've seen and I will be forever thankful for that
The explanation of Mikaela's original lines and the backstory actually made me sad. Seeing her and Sam's relationship reach its climax and conclusion would have been beautiful (if Michael Bay can even make "beautiful")
Optimus’s first onscreen transformation was beautiful. :,)
he can't, Sam deserves loneliness
Nah, Mikaela dumping loser Sam is for the best. He anchored her, and now she can build a better life on her own. Maybe also will help her father to rehabilitade after prison.
I don't understand why they didn't just recast Whitley as Mikaela. Blonde isn't even her real haircolor.
He may not achieve it in the Transformers series, but Michael Bay is absolutely capable of producing true beauty.
Once again another awesome breakdown! Also, I am so glad that my video helped you out!
wassup trans
What's up man👍
Sup!✌️
Shockwave was really wasted potential. That said, seeing him in Bumblebee was awesome, and I’d like to see more of that G1 style and voice.
Especially when you consider that he's even worse than Megatron, much of the time.
At least he was redeemed in Transformers: Prime. Man, he was cool in that series.
@@occam7382 Tfw your mere presence is enough to convince Megatron he's already won the war
@@occam7382he was cooler on Animated as a double agent
@@ArcTrooper269 ...debateable.
When it comes to The Wreckers, what's not to love? They are NASCAR stock cars, with goddamn machine guns! Also Bayverse Optimus Prime was out here preforming Mortal Kombat fatalities
Fucking finally. A channel that can watch a fun movie without writing an essay on how it's the worst thing ti ever happen.
I LOVE video essays detailing how movies are poorly written or produced, but some movies need some love, and the transformers movies are a perfect example. It's okay to have fun, while still acknowledging flaws.
100% agree
Eh, i'll watch the 1st one, even after this video the 3rd movie is still meh for me. I think pirates of the Caribbean is a little easier to defend, the 1st 2 pirates movies are genuinely kinda good
@@Countdownsmiles
"Kinda good." Pfft.
@@oceanplanet8160 Yeah I mean they aren't like pieces of art y'know. But they are fun movies with good characters
@@Countdownsmiles
I disagree. It's why I found your comment amusing.
But hey, to each their own.
16:10 "Somehow they must have picked up that fuel rod."
J.J. Abrams saw this scene and thought "yeah, I can totally bring Palpatine back."
LMAO
I like how this movie actually feels like PG-13. The invasion in Chicago where Decepticons are shooting people and blowing them to bones is brutal. Along with the death's of Transformers
That's just a normal weekend here in Chicagoland, minus us Decepticons fighting Autobot scum of course.
They took advantage of the rating better than other films.
Having the humans burst into confetti instead of blood and gore when the decepticons shot them probably helped with the rating.
War of the worlds was pg13 and did that way more brutal
I felt worse for Ironhide getting Lincolned than I did for any of the people getting vaporized lol
Great analysis of the film. Dark of the Moon restored my hope in the Bay films after the atrocity of Revenge of Fallen. But then Bay let me down again and again. 😢
Holy shit I never noticed as a kid how stacked this cast is….. John Malcovich, Frances McDormand, Leonard Nemoy, Hugo Weaving, Alan Tudyk, Tom Kenny…. Some people that if you told me they were in these movies I would not have believed you at first
I figured the Decepticon's plan was to use the pillars, only for them to realize it wouldn't work without Sentinel. Then after RotF, they realized Optimus could revive him.
Doesn't explain why they didn't use the army until now, though.
The good guys would have killed them all with plot armor.
Army would only follow Sentinel i guess
It's wild because of the fact that you can make an Optimus Prime who is a war criminal, morally questionable, etc. I think it would be intersting to go over the morals, and ethics of both the autobots and depictions