I saw that on practice I had a shitty drumset that was just completely wasted and smashed, but it was i had to deal at the time, and i got to play in more expensive or more professional kits, especially my feet were like machine guns
cheaper kit doesn't project sound as well to the recording, but in an amplified setting, they're every bit as nice as the expensive drums. I've found that a secret to making cheaper drums sound better is going out and buying good heads.
Nombrep Apellidos that’s really normal for the drum world 😂 my drum set is like 1500 bucks, my double pedal is around $6-700 and cymbals are all together maybe $1000 so all together my setup which is an extremely low end kit + semi crappy cymbals and a really nice double pedal, is like $3200
@@goodvibesonly2080 it isnt normal. Normal drumset is like 700-1000$ and if you want a mid price for people with expirience like 2000-3000$ if you are really getting into it. If you play in a band and you have the money its like 5000-1000. Its all like buying a PC. You probably wont start with a 5000$ beast.
I think for toms and bass you don't need to spend that much money. Just put on really good heads and learn to tune them well. Also maybe use a little bit of muffling. But do invest in a good snare and cymbals. Also a good quality pedal since it directly influences your drumming abilities.
The expensive kit definitely sounds better, but the cheap one isn't bad. The snare was the major difference, with the cheap one just sounding way too thin. The cheap toms were decent, and so was the kick. Cymbals... meh, not a discernible difference. Overall, i would say the expensive kit is not worth the extra money. Just get a better snare.
Cristi Neagu the snare on the cheaper kit sounded a lot better than the snare on the expensive kit, the snare on the cheaper kit had a more Vivid snare sound mainly due to the VERY thin bottom resonant head
i actually prefer the cheaper snare's high pitch pop, works better for metal stuff, the expensive kit i'd play like blues and country on. thats just me though
IMHO, the weakest part of the red kit is the floor tom. Just go to the bass and drum part at 3:32 and pay attention to the sound when the floor tom is played on its own (not together with the rack tom.) The cheap one sounds dead AF compared to the more expensive one.
the only bad thing about the cheap kit I think is the snare. the cymbals sound better in the expensive one but the cheap ones don't sound so bad in this recording.
I would also argue that the more expencive snare sounds a but fuller, but it's the kind of thing that you only notice if you're really looking for it. A d i would even make the argument that the cheaper snare could sound better in the right context.
I think that’s the point, the more expensive the drums get the more diminishing the quality gets with price, so a £1000 drum kit might sound by far and away better than a £100 drum kit but there isn’t much in a £5000 drum kit compared to £1000 drum kit, I think expensive cymbals do sound a lot better than cheaper cymbals and the variety when you increase budget can also take you far, you can get a lot more different drums when you spend upwards of £3000 as opposed to what you can get for £1000
It’s always much more about the player BEHIND the drums and not the drum brand. This was proven to me 25 years ago when I swore it was my garbage second hand guitar that was the problem...A friend in a band took it, played Eruption followed by Randy Rhoads’ 2 minute blistering solo...Handed it back to me and simply said, “Keep practicing my friend, the guitar is fine.”
John Smith - had the exact same scenario when I was drumming, also 25 years ago. Had a cheap used kit and always figured that was why it sounded ok but not great, then a friend who was more into keyboards than drums came over and asked to play, and instantly sounded 50x better than I ever did. What slight dreams I had were totally shattered
Same, I'm like only 13, and I thought its was my guitar that was trash and that's why I'm so bad, but then I let me principle play my guitar, and the guitar sounded like a $3000 guitar, when the guitar is only $73, and I was amazed, so now I almost practice every day, and now it sounds really good, and then I said to myself "It's not the guitar, it's the person PLAYING the guitar."
TheGamingPlayer1987 I dont think this applies, there's only so much you can do with a cheap guitar. You just dont understand if you've never had any experience with top tier equipment. There are very subtle but important differences to the trained ear. It's good your practicing but ditch the cheap equipment and invest in the best you can.
Micheal Wallace, being cheap is still good, I’ve dropped my guitar many times and it still works just fine, and it has a good sound to it if you have a good amp for it.
Yes, but there are limits to that. You can’t tune drums well that are made with shitty wood. If the drum isn’t made decently well, then it’s next to impossible to get it to sound good
Speaking as a drummer myself, I could hear HUGE differences between the two kits, particularly where snare and toms are concerned...And while the cheaper kit would certainly be enough to get the job done on just about any kind of gig, I must say that the more expensive kit is the clear winner of this shootout. The snare especially sounds a lot better, and the floor tom isn't so dead and thuddy. As for the differing cymbal setups on each kit, I wouldn't so much label that a case of one being better than the other, as I would calling apples and oranges. Just very different tonal textures, at least as far as what my ears are telling me.
Agreed but the $$$ Isn't justified. I've been playing for 50 years and I can sound better and I can sound better then people who play on 5K kits. It's about tuning, head selection and having a Solid Overall facility on the kit.
You can get around cheap drums with gels, tuning, tape, etc. (Especially in dense mixes) However, you cannot get around cheap cymbals. Hearing a B8 or a ZBT is worse than stepping on legos with cold feet.
EXACTLY!!! I have a mediocre $1200 kit (just the shells) but invested in some great skins for obvious reasons. However, did NOT skimp on the cymbals! B8 and ZBT yes are frickin CACA!!!
Austin Howell I️ have zbts and they do sound kinda bad, but it was all I️ could afford, and considering the price they actually sound really good to what you would think.
My personal opinion after 35 years of drumming. I had everything from my pearl exports to a DW collectors kit (old badge from 2001). It’s all about heads, quality tuning rods, nice smooth bearing edges and the overall ability to hit the drums properly. As another person commented, good cymbals is a must!
The cheaper one definitely seems tinnier. I mean, it could probably be mixed to something better, but why do post-production when you could have a snare that sounds good from the get-go? (If you can afford it, anyway.)
I feel like the expensive kit toms exploded a bit more. Just sounded sweeter. Definitely with the snare too. That was obvious. With good mics and great playing though it still sounds boss. Great video man.
Shorty: I have doubts. Brown floor tom clearly has a Remo Pinstripe STYLE head (doesn't have to actually be a Remo Pinstripe of course) while the red floor tom doesn't have a pinstripe, so it''s a different head... regardless of what the description says. Aaaand if I'm wrong I'm sure the friendly UA-cam commenters will tell me so. :P
Definitely man, and as a (maybe TOO honest, in-shop) drumtech, this is what i tell a lot of drummers. Cheap cymbals - i.e. brass, will always sound awful and dead. Buy some decent cymbals, some decent drumheads and learn how to tune your drums properly and which drumheads work best on your drum kit. Sure - it may take some money in experimentation, but you'll get so much more life our of your kit and better tone this way. I've had people return Pearl Reference drum kits because they simply cannot tune their drums and cannot be bothered learning...insanity!
Hans Dampf make it sound good or probably you bought something that doesn’t give you the sound you’re looking for. I’m drummer and for me tama is the best sounding drum around
I'm seeing these comments of people saying how the $700 kit sounds better. I think we all WANT the $700 one to sound better but my vote is honestly the $5,000 one sounds way better. Especially those toms ❤️
Jorge Yan It's all about perception what is good or bad. If your going to spent $2000 upwards on a kit of course you will get high quality drums. I don't believe in better just what works for you. When buying a mid range kit $500-$1000 which is still a lot of money, you still are getting great quality. The quality of gear in that price is amazing. You get so much for your money these days. Knowing you can get a quality instrument at a decent price is great for us. You would not get this quality maybe 15 years ago. I do agree the Truth kit sounded nicer but for $3500 it should really. Saying that the proximity effect does come into play hear. A mic in the room would be fairer I think. More of the natural sound of the kits.
Gethin Jones I admire your comment. Also one thing people need to take into consideration is the different heads and sticks used to create a sound we’d all would like to achieve. However, expensive kits do have great quality wood inside that makes certain drum sound resonate beautifully and that comes with several bucks spent to achieve it. I’ve heard many many drums kits since I’ve done live sound and studio recordings many times.
Jorge Yasound Thank man. Your spot on different thicknesses of heads make a big difference, just as clear or coated does. Plus the bearing edge, and if it's cut well or not. Tree growing in the perfect conditions will make higher end drums and sound better. More resonant and tone. You could say wood is wood but we all know the better life the tree has the better quality of any instrument it makes. Spend the most you can afford on a kit and you won't be dissapointed.
Almost everything about the $5,000 sounds better. Not sure how people can't hear the difference. I mean the kick drum is making a damn farting noise on the cheap kit.
Personally, the cheaper kit sounds much more tinny and the truth custom kit has a much fuller sound which makes a big difference in my opinion as a drummer. Also the snare on the cheaper kit is awful in comparison, and cheaper kits don't seem to last as long. They are good for their money but the best stuff is expensive for a reason
actually they are both very expensive for the sound, the cheap kit sounds more like a $400 kit, the expensive one is very good but is it worth the price???
Jakobi, the elongated sustain of the truth set is what you're referring to. You and a few other people can hear what you're talking about. "Never try to teach a pig to sing, it only frustrates you, and annoys the pig".
I agree with Jacobi. The sound from the Truth kit is way better. For the price it's a little higher than the standard professional 3 piece shell pack. You can get a great sounding 3 piece for 2,000. Cymbals are very subjective. A good set of cymbals (hihats, 2 crashes, 2 rides, splash or china) could get up there. 2,000. But for 5,500$ I would sound like freaking Colauita. Just saying.
@Spike Flea i have a typical size 5 piece drum set. With a huge hardware bag. I can fit everything in a scion xd, a sub compact hatchback. But a sienna would make it super easy.
@Spike Flea actually the XD is very small. like a honda fit or Nissan versa. the XB is a little bigger. but still since it's a hatchback is good enough. I have padded soft cases. but I think I could fit it with hard cases too. the drum size is 22 kick, 10, 12, 16, toms, and typical 14in snare
Cymbals and snare on the cheaper kit sound crappy, but the kit sounded great. Basically just upgrade a cheap kit with snare and cymbals and you can be under a grand in a good kit
Digg- O yeah but I think what he means is just better cymbals then the ones that were on the less expensive kit and snare would make it sound a tone better. but over all That's what stood out the most to me as well. and the color lol.
Cheap kits generally don't last very long, especially the metal components since they're made of some cheap alloy and they bend out of shape over time. If you're strapped for cash or you're starting out, I think the best thing to do is get what you can afford, and swap out your drums piece by piece, starting with the snare and cymbals.
DDrum is notorious for it's lugs braking and cracking. As for metal components ,the chrome flakes after a short time,the fittings strip,hoops warp after a while of being tensioned,the bearing edges can be uneven causing tuning issues (buzz),the plies can split,the wrapping peels and bubbles. The stock heads are usually cheap and dent easily and the feel of things like snare drums lack consistency. I have Rogers and Fibes snares that are 40 years old and the chrome is nearly perfect. Shall I go on?
Snare and cymbals are really better in the expensive kit. Drums sound have more sustain too (but it is less critical). A big thank you for this recording
Cheap snare sounded cheap Expensive snare sounded good Kick & toms on the cheap kit was not as bad as I expected. Expensive kick & toms had a warm rich sound
I think that different tunings work for different drums. A tuning that sounds great on a $5000 kit might sound like trash on a $700 kit. ALTERNATIVELY, a tuning that sounds great on a $700 kit might sound not good on a $5000 kit. I think this video should inspire the next one, which is how to make the best of what you've got. Tune the $700 kit just right, adjust the mix to better suite the lack of low end in the kick and the tinnyness of the snare, and try and take out some of the brightness of the cymbals. THEN you could compare the $700 kit in the best case scenario VS the $5000 kit in the best case scenario as a whole new video
mekken007 in that Case you cant record your playing or Go to a Gig cause only in the First rows someone can hear you. Mixing the Sound is Something everybody does to adjust the Sound to the room your playing in. Or Just make it Sound better
i absolutely agree with Spencer Jessee. The snare sounds like the one from Pearl Jam and it is interesting to see how near we get a larger cheap snare to come close to the expensive one if tuned in the best possible way.
Go buy a decent set of In ears, ive had my JH16v2 for a while now and I swear there literally the best iems in the world. Theyre not very cheap but im a professional drummer and I use them everyday in the studio and on stage. Even on my note 9 where i can customize the equalizer im able to essentially bypass UA-cam's stupid compressed audio and make everything sound as if I was listening from the control room.
@@cencalindustries Thats overkill dude and unnecessary for a compressed UA-cam video. Louder isn't always better and like my Audio Engineer teacher always taught us at Berklee a lot of the time having the volume more quiet isbetter so you can hear every minute track and detail but im assuming you're just being a smartass about it haha
The only major difference I hear between them is that the $700 kit has a much tighter snare because of the obvious size difference, but the Tom's and bass sound similar if tuned right, it's not always about money
The TRUTH kit sounded rounder and fuller, the snare sounded much better than the cheaper kit. really the only differences I heard between the two kits were the kicks and snares. The toms weren't far off each other. The bread and butter for the recording drummer are Kick sound, Snare sound and cymbals. cool video and comparison
It all depends. What is the room like? who tuned the kits? what are the drum head choices? Generally you can tell the differences. As I said in the original comment, The biggest differences were the kick drums and snare drums. The toms sounded pretty close. The truck Kick and Snare sounded a tonne better. I have also heard some cheapy kits sound incredible. I have a Pearl Vision and a Pearl Masters premium legend. Depending on the situation, I sometimes prefer to use the Vision kt. Although it's a cheaper kit, it does sound better in certain applications.
It would have been nice to hear the kits playing more of the same parts back to back. Like instead of playing a full 16 measure section on one kit, then moving to the next kit for a different 16 measure section, with different patterns, do like 2 measures on one and 2 measures on the other, at least for a bit. I know you mixed it up toward the end, but I would have liked to have seen it be reduced to even less than 8 measure segments. Also, you could do isolated hits on each drum. Snare hit and rim shot, toms, cymbals, double bass, etc.
So it's still a $1000 kit at most that sounds good enough to gig with (but not record with; you want top-end shit for that). The 3 people in the crowd who can tell the difference don't matter much.
As a drummer I feel that I could hear quite a difference. The over quality of the expensive one sounded better. Specifically it sounded more full in the sound it gave, whereas the cheaper one sounded less strong and kind of tinny. And yeah the snare in the more expensive one sounded much better haha.
HomesliceDrummer It's clear that the quality of a more expensive kit can't be touched. With that said, it takes more than just an expensive kit to make the drums sounds good. Tuning, heads, mics all add to it.
dooder really? That's new news to the recording world. Fuller sounding drums can always be eq ed to suit the mix. Better sound means more head room, better dynamics and better sound...
dooder there's something called a pan and a EQ... totally wrong on the bass drum frequency... Some of the bass guitar will be at 200. I've been working as a Mastering eng for 20 years and did my apprenticeship under Bernie Grundman 30 years ago....
i actually found the cheaper snare and bass sounding better, bass was full and low.. the brown one i found hollow.. snare i found also more of my liking then the brown kit.. each their own taste i guess.
The snares sound the most different but they are different depths so it makes sense. Next is the cymbals, because the cheap ones sound overly ringy and brassy while the nice ones have a smoother sound. Then I'd say the kick since the PDP has a short almost snap to it but the Truth has a fuller sound with a tad longer decay. The toms sound the most alike to me, and with good tuning thats exactly what you should expect. I still prefer the sound of the Truth toms, but it's preference at that point. Overall a drummer should be most concerned with the cymbals since they can make the biggest difference in sound. The snare sound could also be preference and I bet if Jared used the same depth snares they would sound more similar, so that's why I mentioned them as being the most different sounding in this video but not what a drummer should be most worried about.
To a degree yes, but bad equipment does make it harder, for example playing on a guitar that has bad pickups and high action would make it difficult to play say speed metal, maybe good for slide guitar or Mississippi blues, I think it comes down to good and bad equipment more than cheap and expensive
You're the only one I've seen that picked up on the heads. They look like stock single ply. Cymbals are preference. Over the years there have been some insanely expensive shit house cymbals.
Agreed. A band I played for had a cheap kit left by their previous drummer. I put all new heads on each drum and bought cymbals and stands I wanted. Played that $200 kit for 5 years before I finally replaced it with a better one. I did buy a couple snares for different sounds in the meantime.
I thought the PDP set sounded great for its price point. Lots of, uh, well ... 'bang for the buck.' Terrible pun, but whatever. The Truth kit had a great kick, a great floor tom, and a great snare sound. The rack tom was decent. The PDP kit had a great rack tom, and decent-everything-else. But that's on my speakers, not yours. :)
The bass drum and the cymbals DEFINITLY makes a difference. The expensive kit also in general had a warmer sound to it than the cheap one. That said - both kits sound perfectly fine and it just goes to show that if you take a little extra care for your instruments, then budget solutions can be great ways to get decent gear that you can evolve your skills with :)
Sound quality clearly goes to the Truth kit, but as is mentioned the SP kits toms and kick were not that bad. Why is this? The person who applied the heads and tuning knew what they were doing, used quality heads, and took their time. I have owned no-name Taiwanese drums, Pearl Exports, Ludwig Maple Super Classics, PDP Platinums, DW Performance series and DW Collectors series. The difference in a hi end kit is 3 fold: #1. Can sound better (doesn't mean it always does, the tuner/ player makes a huge difference)# 2. Easier to keep that way and maintain: as a working drummer I can't constantly be fiddling with my kit dealing with toms that go out of tune song to song or set to set, dealing with flimsy hardware or poor finishes or shells that are not 100% round. A good quality kit allows me to transport, set up and play with less fuss. I come across as more professional and get invited back for more paying gigs. #3 Total cost of ownership (depreciation) I bought a decent Pearl Export in 1985 for around $700 with cymbals and hardware. I played it 5 years. Sold it in 1990 for $300. So it cost me $400 to own it for 5 years. I bought a DW Collectors Series shell pack in 2000 for $3375. I sold it in January 2018 for $3000. Total cost to own for 18 YEARS, $375. I believe in buying the highest quality you can afford and taking immaculate care of your investment so that you can retain that value down the road. And all along the road you get to play an inspirational instrument.
I really relate to everything said here. I have said in numerous situations, get the best you can wait to save up for, I've said this from drums to mountain bikes... Nothing has been more inspirational than saving for, tuning, then finally playing quality toms, the SNARE, and of course, cymbals will cause a man to starve, but worth their weight in gold when they make you drive (legally) fast home from work to jam on...
Couldn't agree more with your points. I purchased a DW collectors in 2001, I'm a professional drummer and it has always been in constant use since. The tuning and sound possibilities are broad and consistent, it'll take any heads and work in all scenarios and any genre, without mic's it still sounds like it has been mixed, tune it right and the response is excellent, keeps tuned, sets up very quickly, the quality of craftsmanship is fantastic. All bands and artists I have played with have commented extremely positively on the sound and feel of the kit whereas they don't for other kits or the difference isn't quite as profound to prompt a comment. Also a big point is it can be like this with anything...when you start to get towards the finer tuned top quality products, you can be spending 50% more to get 10% better. eg same with wine, food. I can play on any kit, or object but I definitely notice the difference playing a decent kit, sound response and feel is all better. A racing driver improves with a better car.
Well said. It's like with yard/household tools-if you're going to use them long term-buy quality. If it's a one-time use-go to the dollar store. If it doesn't do the job or you ruin the tool-you're out a dollar. I paid too much for some vintage roto-toms some years ago that sit in a corner compared to some newer ones that came out a few years ago for less. But my boys have awesome old school mirror-like chrome rims that you don't find any more.
Well, I listened totally unbiased. I've been an audio engineer for 13 years. My impression was, overwhelmingly, that the red kit sounded better. Now let me explain, from an engineer's standpoint, and clarify or add a disclaimer that my statement is to be taken with a grain of salt, because whether or not a kit "sounds good" is 100% dependent on the song, the genre, and the drummer. The Red kit sounded better by a long shot... for metal. The Brown kit sounded like it would be a fantastic jazz kit. I have to wonder, as well, how much of it was the mix. I'm typically a firm believer that more expensive does not equal better, and this really goes to show that. I think properly picking out your drum pieces for your specific situation and tuning the kit precisely for that style is what's important. But, for the sake of this test, the Brown kit was truly awful and the Red kit totally nailed the style. However, those roles would be reversed in other genres and songs.
let's say that in context with guitars the cheaper kit sounds more appopriate flavour-wise but still much worst quality-wise than the other kit. Even tho the attack of the kick from the brown kit sounds much more appropriate for metal to me
IMO Brown kit sounds great, red kit sounds ok -- the snare is just thin and lifeless, and similar prob with the floor tom. The red kit toms can be tweaked -- recall they're set to be tuned and mic'd exactly to the $5k kit, which likely isn't their ideal range -- but replace that snare with a $500 used Black Beauty and you're fine for a demo/EP at least. (Oh yeah the ZBT Zildjian splash at 1:40 needs to go too: compare with the Z splash at 2:45.)
The Truth kit clearly had more definition and body to its overall sound. This can only be a good thing regardless of musical situation. A tinny, cheap kit - like the red one - sounds even tinnier and cheaper when drowned out by heavy distorted guitars and high volumes. The red it sounded like what it was - cheap.
I agree with john because I see his standpoint being a drummer. In the mix the red drums sounded better, but out of mix the brown kit would be much better. It's all in the EQ.
Awesome Melody! I love that cheap kit! Because of its bright and clear tone. And also the kick drum in the cheap kit favours more bass than that expensive one!
For THAT HUGE a difference in price, I absolutely would go with the cheaper DRUMS. The difference in the sound of the DRUMS exists, but is negligible. HOWEVER - THAT SAID: I must emphasize that I have commented so far on the DRUMS, and ONLY the DRUMS! The CYMBALS - THEY are a MUCH DIFFERENT MATTER, indeed!! To MY ear [and I don't think I'm being too picky!], those better, Zildjian CYMBALS are very obviously higher quality. Even in a live setting, playing heavy metal to drunken lunatics, the difference is too great to ignore! A small set of just 3-4 such CYMBALS will give a drummer AND his/her band a great advantage over a much bigger set of even 6-8 lower-quality CYMBALS - such that.... well.... it's the difference between AMATEUR & PROFESSIONAL Sound! You Choose!!
Ihave to go with you, Sir Matt. it's true that although I can hear a definite difference between the two kits, especially the snare which in the cheaper kit is tinny, the mix with full band has a tendency to conceal this. Now we are comparing on a ~metal tune, and it'd be different with a jazz group, where the sound of each drum is more important, but for any louder rock I have to say, not worth the $5,000. Except the cymbals. It's so true that cheap cymbals bring the whole drum sound down; you really do get what you pay for.
Hello Mr Matt, I've been drumming for quite some time and as you said for the price is not worth it. If you invest 1/3 of the difference in price and invested on a better snare the results will be closer in sound. Completely agreed on the cymbals point. I've played with Zildjians, Sabians Pro and Signatures.
Yep. Good cymbals (which you can get used) make a bigger difference than expensive drums. The deeper snare on the Truth set sounded better to me, but if he'd used a 6.5" or 7" instead of a 5" snare on the cheap set, he could have gotten really close. Mostly, the drums are different - not better or worse. The more expensive kit certainly makes a better impression on stage - at least to other drummers.
No comparison between the two....... That Truth set is awesome, and I'm sure you are proud to have it as your own! And, of course, A and K series are miles above ZBT...... With that said, buy what you can afford and play the shit out of them! I had to learn (SO long ago) on borrowed sets, and it seemed every set had its own unique character........
yea I believe so, or even topped the 5000$ kit in some cases. You can get a Tama Starclassic kit 5 pc for that much or less, and In many people's opinions they are the best kits commonly available on the market today. the Tama drums definitely have the best parts for the price. heck, just getting a Die-cast hoop set for a 5 pc kit alone would run you around 400$!
That’s the thing though, it doesn’t really matter what they sound isolated, if you are playing with a band, the audience will not give a shit, in a studio setting, cymbals, snare, and kick is all that need to be decent unless you plan on using a drum replacement plug-in (which most metal bands do now) a kick can be manipulated to punch through a mix if recorded, snare and cymbals are the two things you can’t really fix very well
I don't have much of a difference obviously the more expensive kit sounds a little bit nicer but the other kid has 90% of the same sound so the bottom line is it depends on the drummer!!!!😎
More expensive kit sounds better. It has a fuller richer sound. You can make just about any kit sound right with the right heads/tuning though. Cymbals however are another story, you get what you pay for when it comes to that.
StoneAgeCalculator the snare on the cheap kit sounded better than the snare on the expensive kit, it packed more of a punch and it wasn't overly rich and dead sounding like The expensive snare was
As much as i agree that cymbals do get generally better in quality as the price tag rises, but there are good sounding cheap cymbals. I play zbts myself, and they have a great sound. But meinl HCS cymbals, on the other hand, aside from the trash, splash, and bell, do sound pretty dull. Idk :P im just killin time on finals week.
I think both kits sounded pretty close in terms of toms and bass drum. The only big difference was the snare and well that's expected. All in all I think with a cheaper kit, a good set of cymbals and perhaps a better snare, you'd be pretty much all set for a studio! That's just my opinion. Great drumming btw bro!
in that there is your answer. where it really matters your set will almost always be in a mix, or micd up live. the only thing that really matters is have good heads on your drums and honestly you have to have decent cymbals. not $1,600 worth...but at least a couple hundred bones
true but the splash cymbal just sounded like a toy on the cheap kit, even for punk, not that they use a ton of splash or anything but crash ride and hi hat.
I get where you're coming from but a lot of punk stuff uses deeper sounding drums too, and the cymbals sounded a bit off compared to the Truth kit. Still, sounded great for $700
As a professional sound engineer of 30 years and a former drummer I can tell you that there is only a small difference in sound live but, a huge difference in the studio. Tuning is everything. BUT, there is one thing people over look-- certain configurations regardless of cost work best. A 22" kick has a natural resonance of 60Hz-- it is no surprise that NEVE consoles from the earliest years had their low EQ standardized at 63HZ-- which became the 'English drum sound" A 9x13 rack tom can sound deeper than a 16x16 floor and a 21" rock ride is immortal among session drummers on tracks like Steely Dan. The snare is another thing, no such thing as a cheap one with great sound. p.s. If you go in a studio and the engineer wants you to dampen your heads because he can't control the ring--FIRE HIM!
We need a drum set that is built with a composite that is same as the best drums and mass produced for cheap and same for cymbals; make them perfect and maybe cast them with great brass from molds.
+Van Allen You fire him because he doesn't know how to take advantage of the ring and incorporate it as the best part of the sound. Its what makes the kit come alive. Dampening heads make drums sound dead. That doesn't mean that a bit of tape on strategic points can't help but, that should only be employed as a band aid over a minor problem. That's why my preference is for sprayed white Ambassador heads.
Keith, how did you acquire your knowledge. Just curious if you were classically trained, collegially trained, or self taught. Your responses were very detailed!
Richard Zee I have knowledge because I am old. I played drums as a kid from age 13 to 26. Went to the first college in Canada that offered Sound Engineering and opened my own recording studio. That led to the P.A. industry where I owned a touring company-- "Sound Chaser" I worked with 2,000 bands (literally) over the span of 20 years. I worked for I.A.T.S.E. for 2 years and worked with the Toronto Symphony. But my love was always the studio and I owned two 24 tracks back in the day-- still own a lot of gear. It's all for sale-- a bye gone era. The problem with studios is that they never make money. Due to lack of work I migrated to the film world and have been a production sound mixer for the last 10 years. I am 62.... like I said, "I'm old."
I could hear the difference. But I've also been playing for most of my life, and I used to work in a music store. Depending on the heads and the tuning, and the brand of drums, you can definitely make some less expensive drums sound good. For example, I have a Tama Rockstar DX kit. I put a lot of hard work into that kit. One day, my cousin (who is a very good drummer) was playing on it, and he really impressed with the sound. He thought it was a custom maple kit. He was shocked when I told him that it was just a 1992 Tama Rockstar DX. I now have a Tama Starclassic Maple, and the sound from that kit is absolutely amazing! Such a warm and smooth tone, and easy to tune! I love them both! But there are inexpensive kits that are just going to sound like crap no matter what you do. It depends on the brand and the quality of the construction.
Cymbals are total personal preference. You can like a cheap one more than an expensive one. The different between cheap and expensive cymbals are made by machine or hammered by a person.
Not at all, the snare on the expensive kit is much tighter and the kick has a lot more bass much richer and punchier than the cheap kit, clean your ears lol jk
Anthony Stinnett Good question, in short yes. Cymbals and snare are the biggest improvement you could make. Better skins and tuning does help a lot. Technique dose play a big part always hit the centre on the skin for the best sound and response. I still use my cheap kit with Zildjian A series cymbals and a Taylor Hawkins signature snare by Gretsch. With Remo Pinstripes on the toms over Ambassador's, Emperor X on the snare with a Powerstroke Pro on the bass drum with a Powerstroke 3. To be fair it sounds great. When recording decent mic's good mixing and they can sound even better. The closer the mic is to the skin the more bass frequencies build. So yeah good skins, technique, tuning, cymbals, dampening and care and you can make a £200/$200 kit sound much better.
I think you can get better sound from that snare (probably another snare head, some tricks and tweaks to avoid buzzs and strange noises, and to take out that annoying high pitch at the end). About the cymbals, yes... forget ZBTs, are probably the worst low cost cymbals on market. ZBT doesn't have any control over the sound, horrible decay and that ride... that's garbage. Even for the budget of that cymbals, mixing several brands and you can get a better and more "efficient" cymbals set - yes, mix brands, the best you can do with your money. Get the best for the price on each different brand.
I can tell a big difference to my ears with headphones. The cheaper kit sounds a lot thinner but still great! It still recorded well and no one would know unless you compare it to an expensive kit.
Joe Romano. The drums on the cheaper kit sounded blastier and not as tonal as the expensive kit. Idk if it's because of the heads on the drums but if you listen to the drum track only you can hear tonal and clear to muddy and blasty.
Get yourself a $400 PDP Shell set from Guitar Center and Slap a Zyldjian A custom cymbal pack on it then upgrade your snare and toms bit by bit. If your a beginner you should be focused more on learning than sound.
Metallica is my favorite band, but fuck that album. Seems like some rush job just to make money and eat up some time. I know Trujillo just started, but that album sucked. It sounded ok, but it was NOT Metallica.
LordDonutz Trujillo didn't even recorded that album with Metallica. Personally, I do like that album a lot. I know most people hate it because they changed their style so much it didn't sound like them.
Septicemic they didn’t use drums on St. Anger. They used fucking pots and pans lol. I remember watching the video of Lars and Bob Rock cutting the snares off; and I remember just cringing 😖
Iván Galván It was ok, you could crank it up, but I was expecting Metallica to sound like Metallica when I bought it. I was disappointed, but I still jammed out to it.
As a professional drummer myself, I can hear a significant difference in the snare and cymbals. The kicks also sound different, however, I don't know how the Truth kick was set up for a mic. That makes a huge difference. For recording, I've always used a closed head, for live performance I've always used a hole. Makes a big difference as far as dynamics in the sound of the drum.
This is incredibly encouraging and relaxing for people who have the cheap kit or want to buy one, it is possible to practise not spending too much Money. P.s: ok,the cheap snare sounds a little dry,not big deal to play.
Regarding the snares, i think the cheap one was a metallic one and not a wooden one as the expensive snare is. I'd like him to make the same test with a cheap wooden snare and the expensive one from this video to see if the difference is still so big.
If I had to choose, I'd probably take some part of one and some of the other, like for example: I liked the expensive snare more, but the way the cheap kick sounds clicks better with me. In the end, it all comes down to personal taste.
5k definitely sounds better for me. Cymbals sound better to the ears, less noisy and have a more accurate sound. That expensive floor tom sound is fucking great, same with the snare. The toms and snare on the cheap set have close to no resonance at all, if it wouldn't be tuned that dry, you would probably hear that metallic ringing sound you hear on St-Anger. The kicks are a bit too dry for my liking on the expensive kit but great if you play at a faster tempo, just a matter of taste here. However, the cheap kit is more than enough to make you sound good. Is it worth it to use a 5k? Yeah if you want to record/play live or start being more professionnal on the music side using that kit (assuming you know how to tune well). No if you just started, want to play as a hobby, have fun and want to jam to the songs you like. This is an amazing video for those who want to play drums but don't know where to start, or how much to spend on a kit. You should do the same for electronic kits! Thanks for the video man.
XDarkStrikerX - just picking some better drum heads would probably make a massive difference in the little issues on the Truth kit. Something a little deeper for the kick and snare drums. And hit the kit a LOT harder.
Definitely sounds better. But $4300 better? I’d stick with the $700 kit. Even if you were in the market for something that expensive you’d be able to buy a $2000 kit that destroys anyway
Honestly, both sets are a bit extreme... $700 is really, really dirt-cheap for a complete kit including cymbals, while $5000 definitely is not a budget anyone who doesn't know where to start should be spending. Perhaps pick something in between? You can get pretty good sets for $1500 to $2500 including cymbals. Or.... buy used. Oh, and btw: I'm pretty sure the St. Anger snare wasn't cheap. Yeah, it sounds like shit... but the most expensive instrument can't make up for bad taste.
Actually you can take a wrong conclusion with this video because the €700 kit will never sound "so good" live. If that ZBT cymbals sound bad on the video, imagine live? They are terrible,,, really bad cymbals - Zildjian don't know how to build budget cymbals. For low prices, you need to go to to other brands. Stay away from Z.
Very cool. I drew the line at 2 grand with a DW (RCI Starlite) acrylic 5-piece with rack and some drummers say it's better-sounding than the high-end DW sets. I'll take their word for it.
The $5,000 one has a fuller, thicker sound with more resonance and it's really well balanced, the sound of the $700 one is more "dry", i don't know how to explain well. The first one is a lot better but in reality in a well produced song the difference that you would feel is minimal so I would not spend more than $1500 for Drums
The truth kit sounds better but with a better snare and a click pad on the kick the cheap kit will do the job. Never cheap out on heads, snare or cymbals. 👍
Big difference in the snare drums. A little more resonance in the expensive kit but that's mostly lost in the full mix. Moral of the story? Buy what you can afford and play the hell out of it. Technique and can skill overcome mediocre equipment.
to be fair the cheap snare is choked to death, I'd bet it can sound a lot better with proper tuning (better than itself, the expensive one should be tuned like crap to sound worse than an entry level one)
I believe the red drum set is the cheaper one but to be very honest, I did not notice and difference in both. I think it will all depend on the range of each drummer. Its more or less like with a car, the more expensive one does not make it better than a less expensive car and many times the more expensive does not suit your needs.
After like 6 years of playing on the worst kit ever I got myself a nice pearl target for around 450 well worth the wait! Just keep putting them penny away
Proof - if proof were needed - that if you get a good snare, good cymbals and put good heads on (and know how to tune them), you can make a cheap drum kit sound great.
So were the guitars on the rhythm track. He deliberate mixed the Truth kit and backing track lower in the mix to give it a deeper more fuller sound. Which probably would have came out that way in an even mix anyway. But he definitely had designs on making the Truth kit sound bigger than the Brand X kit he was a/bing against. That said, any good recording wizard can make a $700 Imperialstar sound like a $6000 kit if one wanted, you'd be surprised what a good mixer can do.
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My dad told me this and it’s the best musical advice I’ve ever heard. “Get good on crappy equipment and you’ll sound incredible on better equipment”
Absolutely. You're dad knew what he was talking about.
I saw that on practice
I had a shitty drumset that was just completely wasted and smashed, but it was i had to deal at the time, and i got to play in more expensive or more professional kits, especially my feet were like machine guns
my dad told me the same thing
absolutely true
Thats my dad always say to me :)
I think one of the under rated lessons here is that expensive cymbals matter more than expensive drums.
Amen to that bro !
Absolutely 1000% true
Max Durk yes sir
Zildjian makes good cymbals
Deavan Tristan sabian better :):)
See, 700 dollars is still out of my price range 😂😂😂
Buy a used kit ~ Craigslist , offer up 😁
same XD
Bro there's brand new pearl drums in sweetwater for 500 dollars minimum its really good
The besttt: Yamaha stage custom. Highly recommend that you you check it out.
Infinity Spike same
My high fidelity phone speaker says it's the same.
Richard Sleeve XDDDDDDD lololol
Exactly.
@@psier78 "high fidelity phone speaker" Ha!
Brilliant.
Mm yeah. ^
I think were the monny shows is the Snare and cymbals
Cymbals at a store price Damm lol too high but I love drums so much definitely$$$$$
I agree sorta, cymbals are kinda the same except for the crash and China.
Billy Gibson what is this comment? Lmao
@@Kayametra just me mad at high cost on drum equipment lol
Money*
cheaper kit doesn't project sound as well to the recording, but in an amplified setting, they're every bit as nice as the expensive drums. I've found that a secret to making cheaper drums sound better is going out and buying good heads.
Exactly this 💯
Great drummer.
The cymbals and snare is where the money goes to for Truth Drums, the superior kit.
"expensive drums vs extremely high expensive drums"
Nombrep Apellidos that’s really normal for the drum world 😂 my drum set is like 1500 bucks, my double pedal is around $6-700 and cymbals are all together maybe $1000 so all together my setup which is an extremely low end kit + semi crappy cymbals and a really nice double pedal, is like $3200
@@goodvibesonly2080 my double pedal was 360€ (pearl eliminator redlines 2052C)
@@goodvibesonly2080 it isnt normal. Normal drumset is like 700-1000$ and if you want a mid price for people with expirience like 2000-3000$ if you are really getting into it. If you play in a band and you have the money its like 5000-1000. Its all like buying a PC. You probably wont start with a 5000$ beast.
@@nasku2506 yea you're prob right. i'm just a fortunate kid, who got to start on an awesome kit. sorry if i came off as a snob.
@@goodvibesonly2080 nah mate. If you can play well then you deserve it.
I think for toms and bass you don't need to spend that much money. Just put on really good heads and learn to tune them well. Also maybe use a little bit of muffling. But do invest in a good snare and cymbals. Also a good quality pedal since it directly influences your drumming abilities.
Love the name dude
The expensive kit definitely sounds better, but the cheap one isn't bad. The snare was the major difference, with the cheap one just sounding way too thin. The cheap toms were decent, and so was the kick. Cymbals... meh, not a discernible difference. Overall, i would say the expensive kit is not worth the extra money. Just get a better snare.
Cristi Neagu the snare on the cheaper kit sounded a lot better than the snare on the expensive kit, the snare on the cheaper kit had a more Vivid snare sound mainly due to the VERY thin bottom resonant head
It's a matter of taste, i think. I like deeper sounding snares, so that's why that one sounded better to me.
Cristi Neagu fair enough
i actually prefer the cheaper snare's high pitch pop, works better for metal stuff, the expensive kit i'd play like blues and country on. thats just me though
Lmao $700 still aint cheap tho
Snare was the most outstanding difference. Made a big impact though.
IMHO, the weakest part of the red kit is the floor tom. Just go to the bass and drum part at 3:32 and pay attention to the sound when the floor tom is played on its own (not together with the rack tom.) The cheap one sounds dead AF compared to the more expensive one.
right 👍
Chris Hoffman I liked the cheap snare the most.
I see what you did there!
I agree. Snare sound was huge difference. Hey, since the Truth kit is obviously the cheaper kit, can I buy it from you for cheap???lol
Cymbals sound a bit better on the more expensive kit, but not $4300 better... Nothing wrong with the cheaper set.
the only bad thing about the cheap kit I think is the snare. the cymbals sound better in the expensive one but the cheap ones don't sound so bad in this recording.
@@german80 I honestly couldn't tell the difference.
I would also argue that the more expencive snare sounds a but fuller, but it's the kind of thing that you only notice if you're really looking for it. A d i would even make the argument that the cheaper snare could sound better in the right context.
@@german80 I honestly had a harder time hearing the kick on the cheaper kit with all the other instruments. Otherwise, both sounded just fine to me
I think that’s the point, the more expensive the drums get the more diminishing the quality gets with price, so a £1000 drum kit might sound by far and away better than a £100 drum kit but there isn’t much in a £5000 drum kit compared to £1000 drum kit, I think expensive cymbals do sound a lot better than cheaper cymbals and the variety when you increase budget can also take you far, you can get a lot more different drums when you spend upwards of £3000 as opposed to what you can get for £1000
There is a severe lack of cowbell...
And for that reason I'm out.
I see you...
I GOT A FEVER, AND THE ONLY PRESCRIPTION IS MORE COWBELL
Get this guy a fuckin' puppers
Lol
Shark tank lol
I'll make a vid comparing my 20 dollar cowbell and my 1,500 dollar cowbell. No drums, just bell.
It’s always much more about the player BEHIND the drums and not the drum brand. This was proven to me 25 years ago when I swore it was my garbage second hand guitar that was the problem...A friend in a band took it, played Eruption followed by Randy Rhoads’ 2 minute blistering solo...Handed it back to me and simply said, “Keep practicing my friend, the guitar is fine.”
John Smith - had the exact same scenario when I was drumming, also 25 years ago. Had a cheap used kit and always figured that was why it sounded ok but not great, then a friend who was more into keyboards than drums came over and asked to play, and instantly sounded 50x better than I ever did. What slight dreams I had were totally shattered
I've been stuck in ruts before but through hard work and dedication, more often than not I wonder how the hell I sound so GOOD!
Same, I'm like only 13, and I thought its was my guitar that was trash and that's why I'm so bad, but then I let me principle play my guitar, and the guitar sounded like a $3000 guitar, when the guitar is only $73, and I was amazed, so now I almost practice every day, and now it sounds really good, and then I said to myself "It's not the guitar, it's the person PLAYING the guitar."
TheGamingPlayer1987 I dont think this applies, there's only so much you can do with a cheap guitar. You just dont understand if you've never had any experience with top tier equipment. There are very subtle but important differences to the trained ear. It's good your practicing but ditch the cheap equipment and invest in the best you can.
Micheal Wallace, being cheap is still good, I’ve dropped my guitar many times and it still works just fine, and it has a good sound to it if you have a good amp for it.
You spend 5 grand on a drum kit and didnt even get a cow bell?
What a rip off.
I know it's just a meme but I think using the middle of the ride or any other cymbals sounds even better then the cowbell
His ride has a bell. Why would he need a cowbell?
Let alone 5k for a 4 pc?
Just nick one it’s much more metal
Just use doorbell instead
The kit is only as good as the drummer.
A good drummer can make a bad kit sound perfectly fine.
I heard a slight difference man, not saying it’s a big difference, it just sounds more muffled that’s all.
@@Headless3000 - My point is that a $5k isn't going to be worth shit if you can't use it.
Cody S. True
Preach
Yes, but there are limits to that. You can’t tune drums well that are made with shitty wood. If the drum isn’t made decently well, then it’s next to impossible to get it to sound good
Drums not recorded in same spot in the room this video is bullshit.
JK, nice 1, that Truth kit is worth it.
Music is Win jelousy 😂😂😂😂
Wow Tyler lol
Music is Win nigga, better grow your balls. You should Change your name to - "Jealousy is Win".
Room isn't treated, recording invalid
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Speaking as a drummer myself, I could hear HUGE differences between the two kits, particularly where snare and toms are concerned...And while the cheaper kit would certainly be enough to get the job done on just about any kind of gig, I must say that the more expensive kit is the clear winner of this shootout. The snare especially sounds a lot better, and the floor tom isn't so dead and thuddy. As for the differing cymbal setups on each kit, I wouldn't so much label that a case of one being better than the other, as I would calling apples and oranges. Just very different tonal textures, at least as far as what my ears are telling me.
Agreed but the $$$ Isn't justified. I've been playing for 50 years and I can sound better and I can sound better then people who play on 5K kits. It's about tuning, head selection and having a Solid Overall facility on the kit.
You can get around cheap drums with gels, tuning, tape, etc. (Especially in dense mixes) However, you cannot get around cheap cymbals. Hearing a B8 or a ZBT is worse than stepping on legos with cold feet.
EXACTLY!!! I have a mediocre $1200 kit (just the shells) but invested in some great skins for obvious reasons. However, did NOT skimp on the cymbals! B8 and ZBT yes are frickin CACA!!!
Biggest truth of all time
Finally somebody who agrees to me!!!
Austin Howell I️ have zbts and they do sound kinda bad, but it was all I️ could afford, and considering the price they actually sound really good to what you would think.
That's what I was going to say. On the expensive one the whole kit sounded better, but especially the cymbals. Red kit cymbals should be melted down.
My personal opinion after 35 years of drumming. I had everything from my pearl exports to a DW collectors kit (old badge from 2001). It’s all about heads, quality tuning rods, nice smooth bearing edges and the overall ability to hit the drums properly. As another person commented, good cymbals is a must!
Guess I will be getting a $700.00 set with a good snare. Thanks.... and nice video.
Spend most of your money in cymbals, they make the most difference
If you find that your cheap drums sound "cheap" just swap out the heads and tune them up properly. There will be a BIG difference.
Only difference i could hear was with the snare. The truth one sounded way more tight but that could probably be fixed with some post production.
Also the Cymbals on the cheaper kit, sounded well cheap...the kick sounded also similar...but its hard to tell through a youtube video
The Truth snare drum is also deeper as well...
The cheaper one definitely seems tinnier. I mean, it could probably be mixed to something better, but why do post-production when you could have a snare that sounds good from the get-go? (If you can afford it, anyway.)
David Stoneback Exactly what I thought
The toms were also almost nothing on the cheaper one.
I feel like the expensive kit toms exploded a bit more. Just sounded sweeter. Definitely with the snare too. That was obvious.
With good mics and great playing though it still sounds boss. Great video man.
Drum heads man. The cheap kit looks like it still has cheap single ply clear heads.
The other kit has better, coated heads.
he used the same ones.. read the description
Yeah man. It’s all about the kit. Same heads and all. That wood is gooooooood. 🤘🏻😎
Absolutely right. A lot more boom, but damn... this guy is one tight drummer!!!
Shorty: I have doubts.
Brown floor tom clearly has a Remo Pinstripe STYLE head (doesn't have to actually be a Remo Pinstripe of course) while the red floor tom doesn't have a pinstripe, so it''s a different head... regardless of what the description says.
Aaaand if I'm wrong I'm sure the friendly UA-cam commenters will tell me so. :P
I always tell people, spend the money on cymbals, and hardware. With good heads, tuned right, any mid range kit can be studio ready.
Definitely man, and as a (maybe TOO honest, in-shop) drumtech, this is what i tell a lot of drummers.
Cheap cymbals - i.e. brass, will always sound awful and dead. Buy some decent cymbals, some decent drumheads and learn how to tune your drums properly and which drumheads work best on your drum kit. Sure - it may take some money in experimentation, but you'll get so much more life our of your kit and better tone this way. I've had people return Pearl Reference drum kits because they simply cannot tune their drums and cannot be bothered learning...insanity!
A good musician can sound good on anything he plays
Vegas Cycling Freak very true
So not Jared then
NO... just no! some stuff is just so bad, you can't make it sound good!
Hans Dampf make it sound good or probably you bought something that doesn’t give you the sound you’re looking for.
I’m drummer and for me tama is the best sounding drum around
+Hans Dampf
Anything can sound better when tweaked at least
I'm seeing these comments of people saying how the $700 kit sounds better. I think we all
WANT the $700 one to sound better but my vote is honestly the $5,000 one sounds way better. Especially those toms ❤️
I didnt check the colors first. I liked red a bit more. Sounded fatter.
Jorge Yan
It's all about perception what is good or bad. If your going to spent $2000 upwards on a kit of course you will get high quality drums. I don't believe in better just what works for you. When buying a mid range kit $500-$1000 which is still a lot of money, you still are getting great quality. The quality of gear in that price is amazing. You get so much for your money these days. Knowing you can get a quality instrument at a decent price is great for us. You would not get this quality maybe 15 years ago. I do agree the Truth kit sounded nicer but for $3500 it should really. Saying that the proximity effect does come into play hear. A mic in the room would be fairer I think. More of the natural sound of the kits.
Gethin Jones I admire your comment. Also one thing people need to take into consideration is the different heads and sticks used to create a sound we’d all would like to achieve. However, expensive kits do have great quality wood inside that makes certain drum sound resonate beautifully and that comes with several bucks spent to achieve it. I’ve heard many many drums kits since I’ve done live sound and studio recordings many times.
Jorge Yasound
Thank man. Your spot on different thicknesses of heads make a big difference, just as clear or coated does. Plus the bearing edge, and if it's cut well or not. Tree growing in the perfect conditions will make higher end drums and sound better. More resonant and tone. You could say wood is wood but we all know the better life the tree has the better quality of any instrument it makes. Spend the most you can afford on a kit and you won't be dissapointed.
Almost everything about the $5,000 sounds better. Not sure how people can't hear the difference. I mean the kick drum is making a damn farting noise on the cheap kit.
Personally, the cheaper kit sounds much more tinny and the truth custom kit has a much fuller sound which makes a big difference in my opinion as a drummer. Also the snare on the cheaper kit is awful in comparison, and cheaper kits don't seem to last as long. They are good for their money but the best stuff is expensive for a reason
actually they are both very expensive for the sound, the cheap kit sounds more like a $400 kit, the expensive one is very good but is it worth the price???
Jakobi, the elongated sustain of the truth set is what you're referring to. You and a few other people can hear what you're talking about. "Never try to teach a pig to sing, it only frustrates you, and annoys the pig".
I agree with Jacobi. The sound from the Truth kit is way better. For the price it's a little higher than the standard professional 3 piece shell pack. You can get a great sounding 3 piece for 2,000. Cymbals are very subjective. A good set of cymbals (hihats, 2 crashes, 2 rides, splash or china) could get up there. 2,000. But for 5,500$ I would sound like freaking Colauita. Just saying.
Yep, but you can do the same with the standard EQ included in your DAW for a fraction of the price.
I think the cheap set still may have a place despite its differences.
Dude I barely had enough to buy my 100$ guitar why tf am I watching this 😂
Same
For entertainment, i come from watching a review about the toyota sienna. I don't even have kids hahaha
@Spike Flea i have a typical size 5 piece drum set. With a huge hardware bag. I can fit everything in a scion xd, a sub compact hatchback. But a sienna would make it super easy.
@Spike Flea actually the XD is very small. like a honda fit or Nissan versa. the XB is a little bigger. but still since it's a hatchback is good enough. I have padded soft cases. but I think I could fit it with hard cases too. the drum size is 22 kick, 10, 12, 16, toms, and typical 14in snare
i have 0€ but im watching it
Cymbals and snare on the cheaper kit sound crappy, but the kit sounded great. Basically just upgrade a cheap kit with snare and cymbals and you can be under a grand in a good kit
FranktheGDTank it was the same cymbals I thought?
FranktheGDTank the cymbals by themselves on the 5K set were over 1600.
Digg- O
yeah but I think what he means is just better cymbals then the ones that were on the less expensive kit and snare would make it sound a tone better. but over all That's what stood out the most to me as well. and the color lol.
Chris Hawkins it looks like on the second kit, the crashes and maybe the ride are ZBT while on the expensive kit they are a custom
The kick on the cheaper kit also sounded crappy.
Cheap kits generally don't last very long, especially the metal components since they're made of some cheap alloy and they bend out of shape over time. If you're strapped for cash or you're starting out, I think the best thing to do is get what you can afford, and swap out your drums piece by piece, starting with the snare and cymbals.
The screws in the toms of my session pro kit rattled loose was a good starter kit though tbh got me into drums was only the toms that let it down
DDrum is notorious for it's lugs braking and cracking.
As for metal components ,the chrome flakes after a short time,the fittings strip,hoops warp after a while of being tensioned,the bearing edges can be uneven causing tuning issues (buzz),the plies can split,the wrapping peels and bubbles.
The stock heads are usually cheap and dent easily and the feel of things like snare drums lack consistency.
I have Rogers and Fibes snares that are 40 years old and the chrome is nearly perfect.
Shall I go on?
The cheap kit is just sounds more kind of muted
Snare and cymbals are really better in the expensive kit. Drums sound have more sustain too (but it is less critical). A big thank you for this recording
Cheap snare sounded cheap
Expensive snare sounded good
Kick & toms on the cheap kit was not as bad as I expected.
Expensive kick & toms had a warm rich sound
I love the snare of the Truth Custom Drums.
Skyern Aklea oh its niiiiiiice
Use good quality you can the difference..it's the truth must be paired with sabians
that's so funny you say that, because I personally hated it haha
Its okay it sounds very tight for me in Marshall headphones. My opinion anyway
Interesting. I actually liked the snare from the cheap kit better, although I did like the rest of the expensive kit better though :D
I think that different tunings work for different drums. A tuning that sounds great on a $5000 kit might sound like trash on a $700 kit. ALTERNATIVELY, a tuning that sounds great on a $700 kit might sound not good on a $5000 kit. I think this video should inspire the next one, which is how to make the best of what you've got. Tune the $700 kit just right, adjust the mix to better suite the lack of low end in the kick and the tinnyness of the snare, and try and take out some of the brightness of the cymbals. THEN you could compare the $700 kit in the best case scenario VS the $5000 kit in the best case scenario as a whole new video
what if you don't have mic's on your drums than your 700$ drum still sounds like shit because you don't have any effects
mekken007 in that Case you cant record your playing or Go to a Gig cause only in the First rows someone can hear you. Mixing the Sound is Something everybody does to adjust the Sound to the room your playing in. Or Just make it Sound better
i absolutely agree with Spencer Jessee. The snare sounds like the one from Pearl Jam and it is interesting to see how near we get a larger cheap snare to come close to the expensive one if tuned in the best possible way.
I thought the red one sounded better, when I checked the description and realized it was the cheaper one I was actually surprised
Hard to tell when your listening through a crappy smartphone speaker or cheap earphones lol
And that the sound is equalised in volume and you don't have real instruments around, and the microphones are rather middle-ish.
Plug your phone into your PA and crank it up with the 4x 15's on the floor. You'll hear it nicely then
Go buy a decent set of In ears, ive had my JH16v2 for a while now and I swear there literally the best iems in the world. Theyre not very cheap but im a professional drummer and I use them everyday in the studio and on stage. Even on my note 9 where i can customize the equalizer im able to essentially bypass UA-cam's stupid compressed audio and make everything sound as if I was listening from the control room.
@@cencalindustries Thats overkill dude and unnecessary for a compressed UA-cam video. Louder isn't always better and like my Audio Engineer teacher always taught us at Berklee a lot of the time having the volume more quiet isbetter so you can hear every minute track and detail but im assuming you're just being a smartass about it haha
@@scottyweimuller6152 r/wooooosh
The only major difference I hear between them is that the $700 kit has a much tighter snare because of the obvious size difference, but the Tom's and bass sound similar if tuned right, it's not always about money
Ryall Lindsay felt the same. Use the cheap kit but cop that expensive share and be set
Ryall Lindsay PDP snare is more than likely steel as well.
I have a Peace set. Very inexpensive, but I have an 800$ mapex snare!!! Lol
Ryall Lindsay I had a buddy teach me this lol, made my 500$ kit sound like a 4000$ one. Guess going to college for drum tech is worth it
Good quality used snare and cymbals for $1000 + a $700 drum kit (Gretsch). Good to go.
The TRUTH kit sounded rounder and fuller, the snare sounded much better than the cheaper kit. really the only differences I heard between the two kits were the kicks and snares. The toms weren't far off each other. The bread and butter for the recording drummer are Kick sound, Snare sound and cymbals. cool video and comparison
Can you tell wich drums cost 700 $ and the one that cost 5000$?
It all depends. What is the room like? who tuned the kits? what are the drum head choices? Generally you can tell the differences. As I said in the original comment, The biggest differences were the kick drums and snare drums. The toms sounded pretty close. The truck Kick and Snare sounded a tonne better.
I have also heard some cheapy kits sound incredible. I have a Pearl Vision and a Pearl Masters premium legend. Depending on the situation, I sometimes prefer to use the Vision kt. Although it's a cheaper kit, it does sound better in certain applications.
agree....I actually liked the cheap kit snare sound myself
I agree - it cut's through way better than the expensive one. Now that could change if he tuned them differently.
It would have been nice to hear the kits playing more of the same parts back to back. Like instead of playing a full 16 measure section on one kit, then moving to the next kit for a different 16 measure section, with different patterns, do like 2 measures on one and 2 measures on the other, at least for a bit. I know you mixed it up toward the end, but I would have liked to have seen it be reduced to even less than 8 measure segments.
Also, you could do isolated hits on each drum. Snare hit and rim shot, toms, cymbals, double bass, etc.
The cheaper kit gives back so many different overtones unlike the more expensive kit
Depending on the style of music being played, that could actually be viewed as a negative.
The Red drumkit with the Brown snare = Perfect. Cheap and sounds good.
Bro that snare alone could be worth $200-$300 XD not very cheap.
So it's still a $1000 kit at most that sounds good enough to gig with (but not record with; you want top-end shit for that). The 3 people in the crowd who can tell the difference don't matter much.
Personally, the cheap kit is too 'thin' sounding for my taste.
As a drummer I feel that I could hear quite a difference. The over quality of the expensive one sounded better. Specifically it sounded more full in the sound it gave, whereas the cheaper one sounded less strong and kind of tinny. And yeah the snare in the more expensive one sounded much better haha.
HomesliceDrummer It's clear that the quality of a more expensive kit can't be touched. With that said, it takes more than just an expensive kit to make the drums sounds good. Tuning, heads, mics all add to it.
dooder really? That's new news to the recording world. Fuller sounding drums can always be eq ed to suit the mix. Better sound means more head room, better dynamics and better sound...
HomesliceDrummer I couldn't have said it better. Absolutely right!
HomesliceDrummer
Exactly, you nailed it. But see, Jared the drummer did not create a valid comparison, but accomplished what you just described.
dooder there's something called a pan and a EQ... totally wrong on the bass drum frequency... Some of the bass guitar will be at 200. I've been working as a Mastering eng for 20 years and did my apprenticeship under Bernie Grundman 30 years ago....
imo, the toms were pretty similar, the bass and snare though sounded much better on the expensive kit
i actually found the cheaper snare and bass sounding better, bass was full and low.. the brown one i found hollow.. snare i found also more of my liking then the brown kit.. each their own taste i guess.
Yea i thought the same the snair was much better and the base
The snares sound the most different but they are different depths so it makes sense. Next is the cymbals, because the cheap ones sound overly ringy and brassy while the nice ones have a smoother sound. Then I'd say the kick since the PDP has a short almost snap to it but the Truth has a fuller sound with a tad longer decay. The toms sound the most alike to me, and with good tuning thats exactly what you should expect. I still prefer the sound of the Truth toms, but it's preference at that point.
Overall a drummer should be most concerned with the cymbals since they can make the biggest difference in sound. The snare sound could also be preference and I bet if Jared used the same depth snares they would sound more similar, so that's why I mentioned them as being the most different sounding in this video but not what a drummer should be most worried about.
But can a $700 kit djent?
American Bassist yes😂😂😂
No not at 1st you got to train it 1st like you do to a horse
Baby steps my dear friend
There's always a challenge to be conquered
So yes, but practice makes perfect
You would probably already know that tho
Do not mock the Djentlemen's Club! lol
DAMN you beat me too it
A note for you procrastonators wanting to start music: it don't matter the *instument* it's the *musican* who makes it sound good
Corgiz yah, has nothing to do with the expensive mics, knowledge of tuning and proper recording abilities.
Corgiz you're rock!!!
Corgiz plastic trombones suck but yeah true
To a degree yes, but bad equipment does make it harder, for example playing on a guitar that has bad pickups and high action would make it difficult to play say speed metal, maybe good for slide guitar or Mississippi blues, I think it comes down to good and bad equipment more than cheap and expensive
ya i mean who needs a professional sound engineer *eyeroll*
I wore that shirt same panic at the disco shirt to middle school once 7 years ago and my friends all mocked me for wearing “women’s clothing”.
Rip my man patrick here
For me, you can make cheap kit sound much better by throwing on some quality heads. Cheap cymbals though... ughhh gross
Geoff Kuhn nuff said u can't fix cheap cymbals!!!
You're the only one I've seen that picked up on the heads. They look like stock single ply. Cymbals are preference. Over the years there have been some insanely expensive shit house cymbals.
Agreed. A band I played for had a cheap kit left by their previous drummer. I put all new heads on each drum and bought cymbals and stands I wanted. Played that $200 kit for 5 years before I finally replaced it with a better one. I did buy a couple snares for different sounds in the meantime.
if that cheap kit sounds like that, i wonder how cheap Lars's kit in St Anger
bout tree fiddy
I figured he just stole a folding chair from another room.
Well, a garbage can is about $15, and Lars probably used the lid as a symbol. So Lars kit was probably really cheap.
Good... Im not the only one that HATES the sounds of drums on that whole album...what were they thinking??!
Haha. Boooooom. Take that lars.
the 700$ actually sounds great
Alexandre Dupont It is okay, but the low tom and snare are by far better on the Truth kit
Also the kick on the PDP sits more in the low mid range than it does sub range whereas the Truth kit covers low mid and sub.
I thought the PDP set sounded great for its price point. Lots of, uh, well ... 'bang for the buck.' Terrible pun, but whatever.
The Truth kit had a great kick, a great floor tom, and a great snare sound. The rack tom was decent.
The PDP kit had a great rack tom, and decent-everything-else.
But that's on my speakers, not yours. :)
It sounds good, true. Not as thick and full as the more expensive drums though. That cheap snare is very weak xD
The bass drum and the cymbals DEFINITLY makes a difference. The expensive kit also in general had a warmer sound to it than the cheap one. That said - both kits sound perfectly fine and it just goes to show that if you take a little extra care for your instruments, then budget solutions can be great ways to get decent gear that you can evolve your skills with :)
They both sound great to me
IV MustanG I think especially drums are based on taste. Unless you're using rain catcher barrels as toms. I wouldn't go that far
you can make any drums sound good with good heads and good tuning
IV MustanG Yep. It depends on what sound you like I guess....
The snare's slightly different though
Tuning drums is a thing?
Vinn Regi Yes 😂
Sound quality clearly goes to the Truth kit, but as is mentioned the SP kits toms and kick were not that bad. Why is this? The person who applied the heads and tuning knew what they were doing, used quality heads, and took their time. I have owned no-name Taiwanese drums, Pearl Exports, Ludwig Maple Super Classics, PDP Platinums, DW Performance series and DW Collectors series. The difference in a hi end kit is 3 fold: #1. Can sound better (doesn't mean it always does, the tuner/ player makes a huge difference)# 2. Easier to keep that way and maintain: as a working drummer I can't constantly be fiddling with my kit dealing with toms that go out of tune song to song or set to set, dealing with flimsy hardware or poor finishes or shells that are not 100% round. A good quality kit allows me to transport, set up and play with less fuss. I come across as more professional and get invited back for more paying gigs. #3 Total cost of ownership (depreciation) I bought a decent Pearl Export in 1985 for around $700 with cymbals and hardware. I played it 5 years. Sold it in 1990 for $300. So it cost me $400 to own it for 5 years. I bought a DW Collectors Series shell pack in 2000 for $3375. I sold it in January 2018 for $3000. Total cost to own for 18 YEARS, $375. I believe in buying the highest quality you can afford and taking immaculate care of your investment so that you can retain that value down the road. And all along the road you get to play an inspirational instrument.
I really relate to everything said here. I have said in numerous situations, get the best you can wait to save up for, I've said this from drums to mountain bikes... Nothing has been more inspirational than saving for, tuning, then finally playing quality toms, the SNARE, and of course, cymbals will cause a man to starve, but worth their weight in gold when they make you drive (legally) fast home from work to jam on...
Well said.
SamtheSung the snare on the cheap kit sounded a hell of a lot better than the expensive Kit's snare
Couldn't agree more with your points. I purchased a DW collectors in 2001, I'm a professional drummer and it has always been in constant use since. The tuning and sound possibilities are broad and consistent, it'll take any heads and work in all scenarios and any genre, without mic's it still sounds like it has been mixed, tune it right and the response is excellent, keeps tuned, sets up very quickly, the quality of craftsmanship is fantastic. All bands and artists I have played with have commented extremely positively on the sound and feel of the kit whereas they don't for other kits or the difference isn't quite as profound to prompt a comment. Also a big point is it can be like this with anything...when you start to get towards the finer tuned top quality products, you can be spending 50% more to get 10% better. eg same with wine, food. I can play on any kit, or object but I definitely notice the difference playing a decent kit, sound response and feel is all better. A racing driver improves with a better car.
Well said. It's like with yard/household tools-if you're going to use them long term-buy quality. If it's a one-time use-go to the dollar store. If it doesn't do the job or you ruin the tool-you're out a dollar. I paid too much for some vintage roto-toms some years ago that sit in a corner compared to some newer ones that came out a few years ago for less. But my boys have awesome old school mirror-like chrome rims that you don't find any more.
Well, I listened totally unbiased. I've been an audio engineer for 13 years. My impression was, overwhelmingly, that the red kit sounded better. Now let me explain, from an engineer's standpoint, and clarify or add a disclaimer that my statement is to be taken with a grain of salt, because whether or not a kit "sounds good" is 100% dependent on the song, the genre, and the drummer.
The Red kit sounded better by a long shot... for metal. The Brown kit sounded like it would be a fantastic jazz kit.
I have to wonder, as well, how much of it was the mix. I'm typically a firm believer that more expensive does not equal better, and this really goes to show that.
I think properly picking out your drum pieces for your specific situation and tuning the kit precisely for that style is what's important.
But, for the sake of this test, the Brown kit was truly awful and the Red kit totally nailed the style. However, those roles would be reversed in other genres and songs.
let's say that in context with guitars the cheaper kit sounds more appopriate flavour-wise but still much worst quality-wise than the other kit. Even tho the attack of the kick from the brown kit sounds much more appropriate for metal to me
and I agree overall the brown kit sounds much better but more appropriate for jazz
IMO Brown kit sounds great, red kit sounds ok -- the snare is just thin and lifeless, and similar prob with the floor tom. The red kit toms can be tweaked -- recall they're set to be tuned and mic'd exactly to the $5k kit, which likely isn't their ideal range -- but replace that snare with a $500 used Black Beauty and you're fine for a demo/EP at least. (Oh yeah the ZBT Zildjian splash at 1:40 needs to go too: compare with the Z splash at 2:45.)
The Truth kit clearly had more definition and body to its overall sound. This can only be a good thing regardless of musical situation. A tinny, cheap kit - like the red one - sounds even tinnier and cheaper when drowned out by heavy distorted guitars and high volumes. The red it sounded like what it was - cheap.
I agree with john because I see his standpoint being a drummer. In the mix the red drums sounded better, but out of mix the brown kit would be much better. It's all in the EQ.
Awesome Melody!
I love that cheap kit!
Because of its bright and clear tone.
And also the kick drum in the cheap kit favours more bass than that expensive one!
Next do 700 drums vs 5000 drums
The Earth+ how on earth is he gonna get 5,700 drums?!
M - Montage
Fullrock128 u questioning the earth about how on earth is he gonna get??
Well actually is 5698
he could buy josh duns sjc drums from him or buy neil peart’s kit
For THAT HUGE a difference in price, I absolutely would go with the cheaper DRUMS. The difference in the sound of the DRUMS exists, but is negligible.
HOWEVER - THAT SAID:
I must emphasize that I have commented so far on the DRUMS, and ONLY the DRUMS! The CYMBALS - THEY are a MUCH DIFFERENT MATTER, indeed!! To MY ear [and I don't think I'm being too picky!], those better, Zildjian CYMBALS are very obviously higher quality. Even in a live setting, playing heavy metal to drunken lunatics, the difference is too great to ignore! A small set of just 3-4 such CYMBALS will give a drummer AND his/her band a great advantage over a much bigger set of even 6-8 lower-quality CYMBALS - such that.... well.... it's the difference between AMATEUR & PROFESSIONAL Sound!
You Choose!!
Sir Matt my mind screamed every word that was in all caps. Made it hard to read, at first.
Ihave to go with you, Sir Matt. it's true that although I can hear a definite difference between the two kits, especially the snare which in the cheaper kit is tinny, the mix with full band has a tendency to conceal this. Now we are comparing on a ~metal tune, and it'd be different with a jazz group, where the sound of each drum is more important, but for any louder rock I have to say, not worth the $5,000. Except the cymbals. It's so true that cheap cymbals bring the whole drum sound down; you really do get what you pay for.
Sir Matt I agree I was thinking the same exact thing. The difference in the drums is nothing relative to the difference in the cymbals.
Hello Mr Matt, I've been drumming for quite some time and as you said for the price is not worth it. If you invest 1/3 of the difference in price and invested on a better snare the results will be closer in sound. Completely agreed on the cymbals point. I've played with Zildjians, Sabians Pro and Signatures.
Yep. Good cymbals (which you can get used) make a bigger difference than expensive drums. The deeper snare on the Truth set sounded better to me, but if he'd used a 6.5" or 7" instead of a 5" snare on the cheap set, he could have gotten really close. Mostly, the drums are different - not better or worse. The more expensive kit certainly makes a better impression on stage - at least to other drummers.
No comparison between the two.......
That Truth set is awesome, and I'm sure you are proud to have it as your own!
And, of course, A and K series are miles above ZBT......
With that said, buy what you can afford and play the shit out of them! I had to learn (SO long ago) on borrowed sets, and it seemed every set had its own unique character........
Basically, the lesson here:
high-end snare/cymbals/heads > high-end toms/kick
yeah totally agree with you
Idk, cheap kick wasnt as punchy
The difference was more obvious once the drums were isolated in the mix. I wonder if a $1,500 kit would have bridged the gap?
A $1,500 kit and nice cymbals would definitely fit the gap IMO
I agree 100%.
Just buy a cheap kit and get good cymbals and a snare. This video proved those to be the more notorious differences.
yea I believe so, or even topped the 5000$ kit in some cases. You can get a Tama Starclassic kit 5 pc for that much or less, and In many people's opinions they are the best kits commonly available on the market today. the Tama drums definitely have the best parts for the price. heck, just getting a Die-cast hoop set for a 5 pc kit alone would run you around 400$!
That’s the thing though, it doesn’t really matter what they sound isolated, if you are playing with a band, the audience will not give a shit, in a studio setting, cymbals, snare, and kick is all that need to be decent unless you plan on using a drum replacement plug-in (which most metal bands do now) a kick can be manipulated to punch through a mix if recorded, snare and cymbals are the two things you can’t really fix very well
you should do more informative stuff like this for the gear heads
Jordan Bogdan hbbgfesawqqetgi
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I don't have much of a difference obviously the more expensive kit sounds a little bit nicer but the other kid has 90% of the same sound so the bottom line is it depends on the drummer!!!!😎
Exactly (my comment above)
You can buy another, its cheap!
More expensive kit sounds better. It has a fuller richer sound. You can make just about any kit sound right with the right heads/tuning though. Cymbals however are another story, you get what you pay for when it comes to that.
StoneAgeCalculator the snare on the cheap kit sounded better than the snare on the expensive kit, it packed more of a punch and it wasn't overly rich and dead sounding like The expensive snare was
As much as i agree that cymbals do get generally better in quality as the price tag rises, but there are good sounding cheap cymbals. I play zbts myself, and they have a great sound. But meinl HCS cymbals, on the other hand, aside from the trash, splash, and bell, do sound pretty dull. Idk :P im just killin time on finals week.
Antony K I know there aren't many more of these around, but Paiste 302 rides make PHENOMENAL crashes
Antony K also, Power Beat rides make good crashes too, they're essentially the same thing as Paiste 302
Go on pearl they have really good sounding drums for Good price’s
I think both kits sounded pretty close in terms of toms and bass drum. The only big difference was the snare and well that's expected. All in all I think with a cheaper kit, a good set of cymbals and perhaps a better snare, you'd be pretty much all set for a studio! That's just my opinion. Great drumming btw bro!
Justin Persad that's not always true, you can take a $25 snare and with the right heads have it sounding like a professional one
Both are better than my cans
Use buckets too
SpartanChalo13 lol good one, mate
The only thing that sounded cheap was the cymbal package the ones on the cheap kit sounded cheap
You forgot the snare.
@@silent_bob_ the snare is okay its acceptable
@@bushmaster9576 Nah. Sounds like it's made from cardboard.
I totally agree with you meanwhile with the other kit the toms properly tuned and the cymbals sound great by with the other kit is the exact opposite
And thé snare
Test fail** take away the mics .. play them both raw.. everything sounds good coming through the mix.
in that there is your answer. where it really matters your set will almost always be in a mix, or micd up live. the only thing that really matters is have good heads on your drums and honestly you have to have decent cymbals. not $1,600 worth...but at least a couple hundred bones
Found the fellow sound engineer
wich is the point of the video
To me ;Brown drum kit -metal
Red drum kit -punk
Accurate
Bryan Silentt That makes sense. I think too.
RED DRUM KIT : LARS
true but the splash cymbal just sounded like a toy on the cheap kit, even for punk, not that they use a ton of splash or anything but crash ride and hi hat.
I get where you're coming from but a lot of punk stuff uses deeper sounding drums too, and the cymbals sounded a bit off compared to the Truth kit. Still, sounded great for $700
Next:
Free drums vs 1 million dollars drums
EDIT: i didn't expect this to get so many likes and replies xD
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Ur name is so preciouuus
Gerard Iero I picked up a practice pad on free weekend from my neighbors. Can we count that.
Gerard Iero so you mean hands and stomach?
So trash cans?
As a professional sound engineer of 30 years and a former drummer I can tell you that there is only a small difference in sound live but, a huge difference in the studio. Tuning is everything. BUT, there is one thing people over look-- certain configurations regardless of cost work best.
A 22" kick has a natural resonance of 60Hz-- it is no surprise that NEVE consoles from the earliest years had their low EQ standardized at 63HZ-- which became the 'English drum sound" A 9x13 rack tom can sound deeper than a 16x16 floor and a 21" rock ride is immortal among session drummers on tracks like Steely Dan. The snare is another thing, no such thing as a cheap one with great sound.
p.s. If you go in a studio and the engineer wants you to dampen your heads because he can't control the ring--FIRE HIM!
We need a drum set that is built with a composite that is same as the best drums and mass produced for cheap and same for cymbals; make them perfect and maybe cast them with great brass from molds.
+Van Allen
You fire him because he doesn't know how to take advantage of the ring and incorporate it as the best part of the sound. Its what makes the kit come alive. Dampening heads make drums sound dead. That doesn't mean that a bit of tape on strategic points can't help but, that should only be employed as a band aid over a minor problem. That's why my preference is for sprayed white Ambassador heads.
no one needs that
Keith, how did you acquire your knowledge. Just curious if you were classically trained, collegially trained, or self taught. Your responses were very detailed!
Richard Zee
I have knowledge because I am old. I played drums as a kid from age 13 to 26. Went to the first college in Canada that offered Sound Engineering and opened my own recording studio. That led to the P.A. industry where I owned a touring company-- "Sound Chaser" I worked with 2,000 bands (literally) over the span of 20 years. I worked for I.A.T.S.E. for 2 years and worked with the Toronto Symphony. But my love was always the studio and I owned two 24 tracks back in the day-- still own a lot of gear. It's all for sale-- a bye gone era. The problem with studios is that they never make money. Due to lack of work I migrated to the film world and have been a production sound mixer for the last 10 years.
I am 62.... like I said, "I'm old."
I could hear the difference. But I've also been playing for most of my life, and I used to work in a music store. Depending on the heads and the tuning, and the brand of drums, you can definitely make some less expensive drums sound good.
For example, I have a Tama Rockstar DX kit. I put a lot of hard work into that kit. One day, my cousin (who is a very good drummer) was playing on it, and he really impressed with the sound. He thought it was a custom maple kit. He was shocked when I told him that it was just a 1992 Tama Rockstar DX.
I now have a Tama Starclassic Maple, and the sound from that kit is absolutely amazing! Such a warm and smooth tone, and easy to tune! I love them both!
But there are inexpensive kits that are just going to sound like crap no matter what you do. It depends on the brand and the quality of the construction.
The cymbals were obvious- the cheap ones suck. But the drums were similar although the Truth snare is too tight
idk about you but the cymbals sounded alike the only difference was the snare and the kick being deeper on the truth where the OCP is thin and tight
though if you had a snare and bass with the same depths it would sound more alike
i agree with all except the snare part. i think the bass drum sounds better on the Truth as well
Cymbals are total personal preference. You can like a cheap one more than an expensive one. The different between cheap and expensive cymbals are made by machine or hammered by a person.
i think he used the same cymbals didn't he?
so the only difference i hear is how the cymbals and snare sound
Chad 666 yes me to the other exactly same
Agreed
Not at all, the snare on the expensive kit is much tighter and the kick has a lot more bass much richer and punchier than the cheap kit, clean your ears lol jk
Chad 666 I could hear the floor Tom but he really did do a good job getting it similar
Chad 666 same I agree
So......buy a cheap set and upgrade the snare and cymbals?? Would better skins on the cheap tombs help? Honestly question. I'm not a drummer
Anthony Stinnett
Good question, in short yes. Cymbals and snare are the biggest improvement you could make. Better skins and tuning does help a lot. Technique dose play a big part always hit the centre on the skin for the best sound and response. I still use my cheap kit with Zildjian A series cymbals and a Taylor Hawkins signature snare by Gretsch. With Remo Pinstripes on the toms over Ambassador's, Emperor X on the snare with a Powerstroke Pro on the bass drum with a Powerstroke 3. To be fair it sounds great. When recording decent mic's good mixing and they can sound even better. The closer the mic is to the skin the more bass frequencies build. So yeah good skins, technique, tuning, cymbals, dampening and care and you can make a £200/$200 kit sound much better.
pdp are pretty good cheap kits..
I think you can get better sound from that snare (probably another snare head, some tricks and tweaks to avoid buzzs and strange noises, and to take out that annoying high pitch at the end). About the cymbals, yes... forget ZBTs, are probably the worst low cost cymbals on market. ZBT doesn't have any control over the sound, horrible decay and that ride... that's garbage. Even for the budget of that cymbals, mixing several brands and you can get a better and more "efficient" cymbals set - yes, mix brands, the best you can do with your money. Get the best for the price on each different brand.
Skins on tombs... Sounds like a horror flick
I can tell a big difference to my ears with headphones. The cheaper kit sounds a lot thinner but still great! It still recorded well and no one would know unless you compare it to an expensive kit.
There wasn't that much of a difference with one exception: the snare drum. The $5,000 set's snare sounded so much better.
It had good tone but I hate the way he had it tuned.
Joe Romano. The drums on the cheaper kit sounded blastier and not as tonal as the expensive kit. Idk if it's because of the heads on the drums but if you listen to the drum track only you can hear tonal and clear to muddy and blasty.
Cymbals on the 5k were waaaay better sounding
Mauricio Miranda the heads are the same on both sets, says so in the description
Jake Dvorsky
Then just the kit?
Get yourself a $400 PDP Shell set from Guitar Center and Slap a Zyldjian A custom cymbal pack on it then upgrade your snare and toms bit by bit. If your a beginner you should be focused more on learning than sound.
The way you spelled Zildjian is quite bothering 😂🤪
@@silky2916 my bad for offending you random stranger on the internet. Keyboard must've auto corrected
@@KevinMichael I wasn't offended bro🤨
@@KevinMichael I know the feels though man autocorrect can be an annoyance at times
@@silky2916 i figured just joking around. Happy New year!
Yeah, this snare is good, but have you ever heard St. Anger?
Metallica is my favorite band, but fuck that album. Seems like some rush job just to make money and eat up some time. I know Trujillo just started, but that album sucked. It sounded ok, but it was NOT Metallica.
LordDonutz Trujillo didn't even recorded that album with Metallica. Personally, I do like that album a lot. I know most people hate it because they changed their style so much it didn't sound like them.
Septicemic they didn’t use drums on St. Anger. They used fucking pots and pans lol. I remember watching the video of Lars and Bob Rock cutting the snares off; and I remember just cringing 😖
Iván Galván It was ok, you could crank it up, but I was expecting Metallica to sound like Metallica when I bought it. I was disappointed, but I still jammed out to it.
Dude the guitar solos on that album are fucking AWESOME
As a professional drummer myself, I can hear a significant difference in the snare and cymbals. The kicks also sound different, however, I don't know how the Truth kick was set up for a mic. That makes a huge difference. For recording, I've always used a closed head, for live performance I've always used a hole. Makes a big difference as far as dynamics in the sound of the drum.
This is incredibly encouraging and relaxing for people who have the cheap kit or want to buy one, it is possible to practise not spending too much Money. P.s: ok,the cheap snare sounds a little dry,not big deal to play.
Regarding the snares, i think the cheap one was a metallic one and not a wooden one as the expensive snare is. I'd like him to make the same test with a cheap wooden snare and the expensive one from this video to see if the difference is still so big.
If I had to choose, I'd probably take some part of one and some of the other, like for example: I liked the expensive snare more, but the way the cheap kick sounds clicks better with me. In the end, it all comes down to personal taste.
5k definitely sounds better for me. Cymbals sound better to the ears, less noisy and have a more accurate sound. That expensive floor tom sound is fucking great, same with the snare. The toms and snare on the cheap set have close to no resonance at all, if it wouldn't be tuned that dry, you would probably hear that metallic ringing sound you hear on St-Anger. The kicks are a bit too dry for my liking on the expensive kit but great if you play at a faster tempo, just a matter of taste here. However, the cheap kit is more than enough to make you sound good. Is it worth it to use a 5k? Yeah if you want to record/play live or start being more professionnal on the music side using that kit (assuming you know how to tune well). No if you just started, want to play as a hobby, have fun and want to jam to the songs you like.
This is an amazing video for those who want to play drums but don't know where to start, or how much to spend on a kit. You should do the same for electronic kits! Thanks for the video man.
XDarkStrikerX or you could go half way and get a kit around $2-3K ￣\_(••ノ)_/￣ lol
XDarkStrikerX - just picking some better drum heads would probably make a massive difference in the little issues on the Truth kit. Something a little deeper for the kick and snare drums. And hit the kit a LOT harder.
Definitely sounds better. But $4300 better? I’d stick with the $700 kit. Even if you were in the market for something that expensive you’d be able to buy a $2000 kit that destroys anyway
Honestly, both sets are a bit extreme... $700 is really, really dirt-cheap for a complete kit including cymbals, while $5000 definitely is not a budget anyone who doesn't know where to start should be spending. Perhaps pick something in between? You can get pretty good sets for $1500 to $2500 including cymbals.
Or.... buy used.
Oh, and btw: I'm pretty sure the St. Anger snare wasn't cheap. Yeah, it sounds like shit... but the most expensive instrument can't make up for bad taste.
Actually you can take a wrong conclusion with this video because the €700 kit will never sound "so good" live. If that ZBT cymbals sound bad on the video, imagine live? They are terrible,,, really bad cymbals - Zildjian don't know how to build budget cymbals. For low prices, you need to go to to other brands. Stay away from Z.
Very cool. I drew the line at 2 grand with a DW (RCI Starlite) acrylic 5-piece with rack and some drummers say it's better-sounding than the high-end DW sets. I'll take their word for it.
High end drumset + cheap micing or Cheap drumset + decent micing?
Cheap drumset + decent micing
Mejores mics toda la vida papá
Aguante mustafunk viejaaaa
Los mics y la masterizacion son lo que hacen la diferencia. Aunque toques una caja de zapatos puede sonar como un redoblante. Aguante Mustafunk
Dammit no subestimemos la afinación
Wow that reaction 4:47
The $5,000 one has a fuller, thicker sound with more resonance and it's really well balanced, the sound of the $700 one is more "dry", i don't know how to explain well.
The first one is a lot better but in reality in a well produced song the difference that you would feel is minimal so I would not spend more than $1500 for Drums
The truth kit sounds better but with a better snare and a click pad on the kick the cheap kit will do the job. Never cheap out on heads, snare or cymbals. 👍
Can tell the difference. I play guitar know nothing about drums the gold set sounded better, deeper :/
"I play guitar know nothing about drums" I wish more Guitarists would admit this ... publicly.
i don't think they sounded a lot better, but they projected the sound much more evenly
Big difference in the snare drums. A little more resonance in the expensive kit but that's mostly lost in the full mix. Moral of the story? Buy what you can afford and play the hell out of it. Technique and can skill overcome mediocre equipment.
I agree
to be fair the cheap snare is choked to death, I'd bet it can sound a lot better with proper tuning (better than itself, the expensive one should be tuned like crap to sound worse than an entry level one)
I believe the red drum set is the cheaper one but to be very honest, I did not notice and difference in both.
I think it will all depend on the range of each drummer. Its more or less like with a car, the more expensive one does not make it better than a less expensive car and many times the more expensive does not suit your needs.
I bought a kit for $80 off marketplace. Replaced the heads, tuned them up, threw on the mics. Sounds great.
lol can't even afford a $400 drum set
That's why software was invented to emulate drum kits. It's really good. You should try it.
TonyMillard80 Hes talking about himself...
TonyMillard80 lol I think the op meant HE couldn't afford a $400 kit!
Yamis same my man
After like 6 years of playing on the worst kit ever I got myself a nice pearl target for around 450 well worth the wait! Just keep putting them penny away
My $80 drum set off of Craigslist sounds pretty good
that's nothin', i've got a friend who bought a whole set from a junkie for THIRTY $
Kade Samson what is that a picture of?
Alyus Dickey An extra terrestrial
Kade Samson i like it 👌
Proof - if proof were needed - that if you get a good snare, good cymbals and put good heads on (and know how to tune them), you can make a cheap drum kit sound great.
Luke Tuchscherer so almost the whole kit
Hes using zbt zildjians dog lol
I can tell a distinct difference in the nicer set, seems the drums are more "rounded" or "full" of sound.
So were the guitars on the rhythm track. He deliberate mixed the Truth kit and backing track lower in the mix to give it a deeper more fuller sound. Which probably would have came out that way in an even mix anyway. But he definitely had designs on making the Truth kit sound bigger than the Brand X kit he was a/bing against. That said, any good recording wizard can make a $700 Imperialstar sound like a $6000 kit if one wanted, you'd be surprised what a good mixer can do.
Mainly there is the snare difference
yea, that PDP with a nice deep snare and some b20 cymbals would slay on a record.
bass also
The floor tom on the PDP sounds dead as fuck, though.
Girlish Goat probably can be fixed with better tuning
That's because it was propped up on a snare stand with the bottom head resting on an arm, lol
i closed my eyes and listened, and I thought the red sounded better. the bass and toms sounded fuller
danny allen there you are right. I did the same n found out the same complement.
danny allen oh just try to pick an unpopular opinion to stand out and be a hipster
how can you close your eyes and know it's the red kit anyway
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everybody could hear the truth kit sounded the best over that red piece of crap. Come on, now!
Nick Cowan wtf are you talkin about stfu
The snare/cymbals definitely sounds better on the more expensive kit. More of a mild sound than on the cheaper one.
I’ve been away from drumminG awhile now. I’m glad I stumbled on the video. Gaining my interest again.