$700 Drums VS $5,000 Drums
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- Опубліковано 4 лис 2017
- (RED) Cheap Kit
PDP Drum Kit - $400
ZBT Cymbal Starter Kit - $200
Evans HD Dry Snare Head - $15
Evans EC2 Clear Tom Pack - $50
Evans EMAD Clear Bass Drum Batter Head - $45
Total Cost: $710.00
(BROWN) Expensive Kit
Truth Custom Drum Kit - $3,500
Zildjian A and K Custom Cymbals - $1,635
Evans HD Dry Snare Head - $15
Evans EC2 Clear Tom Pack - $50
Evans EMAD Clear Bass Drum Batter Head - $45
Total Cost: $5,245.00
There was no EQ added to any of the tracks. The ONLY post processing done was compression to balance out the hits, and overall volume control.
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My dad told me this and it’s the best musical advice I’ve ever heard. “Get good on crappy equipment and you’ll sound incredible on better equipment”
Absolutely. You're dad knew what he was talking about.
I saw that on practice
I had a shitty drumset that was just completely wasted and smashed, but it was i had to deal at the time, and i got to play in more expensive or more professional kits, especially my feet were like machine guns
my dad told me the same thing
absolutely true
Thats my dad always say to me :)
I think one of the under rated lessons here is that expensive cymbals matter more than expensive drums.
Amen to that bro !
Absolutely 1000% true
Max Durk yes sir
Zildjian makes good cymbals
Deavan Tristan sabian better :):)
See, 700 dollars is still out of my price range 😂😂😂
Buy a used kit ~ Craigslist , offer up 😁
same XD
Bro there's brand new pearl drums in sweetwater for 500 dollars minimum its really good
The besttt: Yamaha stage custom. Highly recommend that you you check it out.
Infinity Spike same
My high fidelity phone speaker says it's the same.
Richard Sleeve XDDDDDDD lololol
Exactly.
@@psier78 "high fidelity phone speaker" Ha!
Brilliant.
Mm yeah. ^
I think were the monny shows is the Snare and cymbals
Cymbals at a store price Damm lol too high but I love drums so much definitely$$$$$
I agree sorta, cymbals are kinda the same except for the crash and China.
Billy Gibson what is this comment? Lmao
@@Kayametra just me mad at high cost on drum equipment lol
Money*
cheaper kit doesn't project sound as well to the recording, but in an amplified setting, they're every bit as nice as the expensive drums. I've found that a secret to making cheaper drums sound better is going out and buying good heads.
Exactly this 💯
You spend 5 grand on a drum kit and didnt even get a cow bell?
What a rip off.
I know it's just a meme but I think using the middle of the ride or any other cymbals sounds even better then the cowbell
His ride has a bell. Why would he need a cowbell?
Let alone 5k for a 4 pc?
Just nick one it’s much more metal
Just use doorbell instead
"expensive drums vs extremely high expensive drums"
Nombrep Apellidos that’s really normal for the drum world 😂 my drum set is like 1500 bucks, my double pedal is around $6-700 and cymbals are all together maybe $1000 so all together my setup which is an extremely low end kit + semi crappy cymbals and a really nice double pedal, is like $3200
@@goodvibesonly2080 my double pedal was 360€ (pearl eliminator redlines 2052C)
@@goodvibesonly2080 it isnt normal. Normal drumset is like 700-1000$ and if you want a mid price for people with expirience like 2000-3000$ if you are really getting into it. If you play in a band and you have the money its like 5000-1000. Its all like buying a PC. You probably wont start with a 5000$ beast.
@@nasku2506 yea you're prob right. i'm just a fortunate kid, who got to start on an awesome kit. sorry if i came off as a snob.
@@goodvibesonly2080 nah mate. If you can play well then you deserve it.
Drums not recorded in same spot in the room this video is bullshit.
JK, nice 1, that Truth kit is worth it.
Music is Win jelousy 😂😂😂😂
Wow Tyler lol
Music is Win nigga, better grow your balls. You should Change your name to - "Jealousy is Win".
Room isn't treated, recording invalid
unsubscibed
There is a severe lack of cowbell...
And for that reason I'm out.
I see you...
I GOT A FEVER, AND THE ONLY PRESCRIPTION IS MORE COWBELL
Get this guy a fuckin' puppers
Lol
Shark tank lol
I'll make a vid comparing my 20 dollar cowbell and my 1,500 dollar cowbell. No drums, just bell.
Great drummer.
The cymbals and snare is where the money goes to for Truth Drums, the superior kit.
Cymbals sound a bit better on the more expensive kit, but not $4300 better... Nothing wrong with the cheaper set.
the only bad thing about the cheap kit I think is the snare. the cymbals sound better in the expensive one but the cheap ones don't sound so bad in this recording.
@@german80 I honestly couldn't tell the difference.
I would also argue that the more expencive snare sounds a but fuller, but it's the kind of thing that you only notice if you're really looking for it. A d i would even make the argument that the cheaper snare could sound better in the right context.
@@german80 I honestly had a harder time hearing the kick on the cheaper kit with all the other instruments. Otherwise, both sounded just fine to me
I think that’s the point, the more expensive the drums get the more diminishing the quality gets with price, so a £1000 drum kit might sound by far and away better than a £100 drum kit but there isn’t much in a £5000 drum kit compared to £1000 drum kit, I think expensive cymbals do sound a lot better than cheaper cymbals and the variety when you increase budget can also take you far, you can get a lot more different drums when you spend upwards of £3000 as opposed to what you can get for £1000
Cymbals and snare on the cheaper kit sound crappy, but the kit sounded great. Basically just upgrade a cheap kit with snare and cymbals and you can be under a grand in a good kit
FranktheGDTank it was the same cymbals I thought?
FranktheGDTank the cymbals by themselves on the 5K set were over 1600.
Digg- O
yeah but I think what he means is just better cymbals then the ones that were on the less expensive kit and snare would make it sound a tone better. but over all That's what stood out the most to me as well. and the color lol.
Chris Hawkins it looks like on the second kit, the crashes and maybe the ride are ZBT while on the expensive kit they are a custom
The kick on the cheaper kit also sounded crappy.
I'm seeing these comments of people saying how the $700 kit sounds better. I think we all
WANT the $700 one to sound better but my vote is honestly the $5,000 one sounds way better. Especially those toms ❤️
I didnt check the colors first. I liked red a bit more. Sounded fatter.
Jorge Yan
It's all about perception what is good or bad. If your going to spent $2000 upwards on a kit of course you will get high quality drums. I don't believe in better just what works for you. When buying a mid range kit $500-$1000 which is still a lot of money, you still are getting great quality. The quality of gear in that price is amazing. You get so much for your money these days. Knowing you can get a quality instrument at a decent price is great for us. You would not get this quality maybe 15 years ago. I do agree the Truth kit sounded nicer but for $3500 it should really. Saying that the proximity effect does come into play hear. A mic in the room would be fairer I think. More of the natural sound of the kits.
Gethin Jones I admire your comment. Also one thing people need to take into consideration is the different heads and sticks used to create a sound we’d all would like to achieve. However, expensive kits do have great quality wood inside that makes certain drum sound resonate beautifully and that comes with several bucks spent to achieve it. I’ve heard many many drums kits since I’ve done live sound and studio recordings many times.
Jorge Yasound
Thank man. Your spot on different thicknesses of heads make a big difference, just as clear or coated does. Plus the bearing edge, and if it's cut well or not. Tree growing in the perfect conditions will make higher end drums and sound better. More resonant and tone. You could say wood is wood but we all know the better life the tree has the better quality of any instrument it makes. Spend the most you can afford on a kit and you won't be dissapointed.
Almost everything about the $5,000 sounds better. Not sure how people can't hear the difference. I mean the kick drum is making a damn farting noise on the cheap kit.
The kit is only as good as the drummer.
A good drummer can make a bad kit sound perfectly fine.
I heard a slight difference man, not saying it’s a big difference, it just sounds more muffled that’s all.
@@Headless3000 - My point is that a $5k isn't going to be worth shit if you can't use it.
Cody S. True
Preach
Yes, but there are limits to that. You can’t tune drums well that are made with shitty wood. If the drum isn’t made decently well, then it’s next to impossible to get it to sound good
I always tell people, spend the money on cymbals, and hardware. With good heads, tuned right, any mid range kit can be studio ready.
Definitely man, and as a (maybe TOO honest, in-shop) drumtech, this is what i tell a lot of drummers.
Cheap cymbals - i.e. brass, will always sound awful and dead. Buy some decent cymbals, some decent drumheads and learn how to tune your drums properly and which drumheads work best on your drum kit. Sure - it may take some money in experimentation, but you'll get so much more life our of your kit and better tone this way. I've had people return Pearl Reference drum kits because they simply cannot tune their drums and cannot be bothered learning...insanity!
You can get around cheap drums with gels, tuning, tape, etc. (Especially in dense mixes) However, you cannot get around cheap cymbals. Hearing a B8 or a ZBT is worse than stepping on legos with cold feet.
EXACTLY!!! I have a mediocre $1200 kit (just the shells) but invested in some great skins for obvious reasons. However, did NOT skimp on the cymbals! B8 and ZBT yes are frickin CACA!!!
Biggest truth of all time
Finally somebody who agrees to me!!!
Austin Howell I️ have zbts and they do sound kinda bad, but it was all I️ could afford, and considering the price they actually sound really good to what you would think.
That's what I was going to say. On the expensive one the whole kit sounded better, but especially the cymbals. Red kit cymbals should be melted down.
I think for toms and bass you don't need to spend that much money. Just put on really good heads and learn to tune them well. Also maybe use a little bit of muffling. But do invest in a good snare and cymbals. Also a good quality pedal since it directly influences your drumming abilities.
Love the name dude
My personal opinion after 35 years of drumming. I had everything from my pearl exports to a DW collectors kit (old badge from 2001). It’s all about heads, quality tuning rods, nice smooth bearing edges and the overall ability to hit the drums properly. As another person commented, good cymbals is a must!
Dude I barely had enough to buy my 100$ guitar why tf am I watching this 😂
Same
For entertainment, i come from watching a review about the toyota sienna. I don't even have kids hahaha
@Spike Flea i have a typical size 5 piece drum set. With a huge hardware bag. I can fit everything in a scion xd, a sub compact hatchback. But a sienna would make it super easy.
@Spike Flea actually the XD is very small. like a honda fit or Nissan versa. the XB is a little bigger. but still since it's a hatchback is good enough. I have padded soft cases. but I think I could fit it with hard cases too. the drum size is 22 kick, 10, 12, 16, toms, and typical 14in snare
i have 0€ but im watching it
Snare was the most outstanding difference. Made a big impact though.
IMHO, the weakest part of the red kit is the floor tom. Just go to the bass and drum part at 3:32 and pay attention to the sound when the floor tom is played on its own (not together with the rack tom.) The cheap one sounds dead AF compared to the more expensive one.
right 👍
Chris Hoffman I liked the cheap snare the most.
I see what you did there!
I agree. Snare sound was huge difference. Hey, since the Truth kit is obviously the cheaper kit, can I buy it from you for cheap???lol
The expensive kit definitely sounds better, but the cheap one isn't bad. The snare was the major difference, with the cheap one just sounding way too thin. The cheap toms were decent, and so was the kick. Cymbals... meh, not a discernible difference. Overall, i would say the expensive kit is not worth the extra money. Just get a better snare.
Cristi Neagu the snare on the cheaper kit sounded a lot better than the snare on the expensive kit, the snare on the cheaper kit had a more Vivid snare sound mainly due to the VERY thin bottom resonant head
It's a matter of taste, i think. I like deeper sounding snares, so that's why that one sounded better to me.
Cristi Neagu fair enough
i actually prefer the cheaper snare's high pitch pop, works better for metal stuff, the expensive kit i'd play like blues and country on. thats just me though
Lmao $700 still aint cheap tho
Snare and cymbals are really better in the expensive kit. Drums sound have more sustain too (but it is less critical). A big thank you for this recording
I thought the red one sounded better, when I checked the description and realized it was the cheaper one I was actually surprised
Cheap kits generally don't last very long, especially the metal components since they're made of some cheap alloy and they bend out of shape over time. If you're strapped for cash or you're starting out, I think the best thing to do is get what you can afford, and swap out your drums piece by piece, starting with the snare and cymbals.
The screws in the toms of my session pro kit rattled loose was a good starter kit though tbh got me into drums was only the toms that let it down
DDrum is notorious for it's lugs braking and cracking.
As for metal components ,the chrome flakes after a short time,the fittings strip,hoops warp after a while of being tensioned,the bearing edges can be uneven causing tuning issues (buzz),the plies can split,the wrapping peels and bubbles.
The stock heads are usually cheap and dent easily and the feel of things like snare drums lack consistency.
I have Rogers and Fibes snares that are 40 years old and the chrome is nearly perfect.
Shall I go on?
Guess I will be getting a $700.00 set with a good snare. Thanks.... and nice video.
Spend most of your money in cymbals, they make the most difference
If you find that your cheap drums sound "cheap" just swap out the heads and tune them up properly. There will be a BIG difference.
It would have been nice to hear the kits playing more of the same parts back to back. Like instead of playing a full 16 measure section on one kit, then moving to the next kit for a different 16 measure section, with different patterns, do like 2 measures on one and 2 measures on the other, at least for a bit. I know you mixed it up toward the end, but I would have liked to have seen it be reduced to even less than 8 measure segments.
Also, you could do isolated hits on each drum. Snare hit and rim shot, toms, cymbals, double bass, etc.
Awesome Melody!
I love that cheap kit!
Because of its bright and clear tone.
And also the kick drum in the cheap kit favours more bass than that expensive one!
Only difference i could hear was with the snare. The truth one sounded way more tight but that could probably be fixed with some post production.
Also the Cymbals on the cheaper kit, sounded well cheap...the kick sounded also similar...but its hard to tell through a youtube video
The Truth snare drum is also deeper as well...
The cheaper one definitely seems tinnier. I mean, it could probably be mixed to something better, but why do post-production when you could have a snare that sounds good from the get-go? (If you can afford it, anyway.)
David Stoneback Exactly what I thought
The toms were also almost nothing on the cheaper one.
The cheap kit is just sounds more kind of muted
imo, the toms were pretty similar, the bass and snare though sounded much better on the expensive kit
i actually found the cheaper snare and bass sounding better, bass was full and low.. the brown one i found hollow.. snare i found also more of my liking then the brown kit.. each their own taste i guess.
Yea i thought the same the snair was much better and the base
I wore that shirt same panic at the disco shirt to middle school once 7 years ago and my friends all mocked me for wearing “women’s clothing”.
Rip my man patrick here
I think that different tunings work for different drums. A tuning that sounds great on a $5000 kit might sound like trash on a $700 kit. ALTERNATIVELY, a tuning that sounds great on a $700 kit might sound not good on a $5000 kit. I think this video should inspire the next one, which is how to make the best of what you've got. Tune the $700 kit just right, adjust the mix to better suite the lack of low end in the kick and the tinnyness of the snare, and try and take out some of the brightness of the cymbals. THEN you could compare the $700 kit in the best case scenario VS the $5000 kit in the best case scenario as a whole new video
what if you don't have mic's on your drums than your 700$ drum still sounds like shit because you don't have any effects
mekken007 in that Case you cant record your playing or Go to a Gig cause only in the First rows someone can hear you. Mixing the Sound is Something everybody does to adjust the Sound to the room your playing in. Or Just make it Sound better
i absolutely agree with Spencer Jessee. The snare sounds like the one from Pearl Jam and it is interesting to see how near we get a larger cheap snare to come close to the expensive one if tuned in the best possible way.
Wow that reaction 4:47
Super smooth playing 👌🏼👌🏼
I’ve been away from drumminG awhile now. I’m glad I stumbled on the video. Gaining my interest again.
It’s always much more about the player BEHIND the drums and not the drum brand. This was proven to me 25 years ago when I swore it was my garbage second hand guitar that was the problem...A friend in a band took it, played Eruption followed by Randy Rhoads’ 2 minute blistering solo...Handed it back to me and simply said, “Keep practicing my friend, the guitar is fine.”
John Smith - had the exact same scenario when I was drumming, also 25 years ago. Had a cheap used kit and always figured that was why it sounded ok but not great, then a friend who was more into keyboards than drums came over and asked to play, and instantly sounded 50x better than I ever did. What slight dreams I had were totally shattered
I've been stuck in ruts before but through hard work and dedication, more often than not I wonder how the hell I sound so GOOD!
Same, I'm like only 13, and I thought its was my guitar that was trash and that's why I'm so bad, but then I let me principle play my guitar, and the guitar sounded like a $3000 guitar, when the guitar is only $73, and I was amazed, so now I almost practice every day, and now it sounds really good, and then I said to myself "It's not the guitar, it's the person PLAYING the guitar."
TheGamingPlayer1987 I dont think this applies, there's only so much you can do with a cheap guitar. You just dont understand if you've never had any experience with top tier equipment. There are very subtle but important differences to the trained ear. It's good your practicing but ditch the cheap equipment and invest in the best you can.
Micheal Wallace, being cheap is still good, I’ve dropped my guitar many times and it still works just fine, and it has a good sound to it if you have a good amp for it.
Speaking as a drummer myself, I could hear HUGE differences between the two kits, particularly where snare and toms are concerned...And while the cheaper kit would certainly be enough to get the job done on just about any kind of gig, I must say that the more expensive kit is the clear winner of this shootout. The snare especially sounds a lot better, and the floor tom isn't so dead and thuddy. As for the differing cymbal setups on each kit, I wouldn't so much label that a case of one being better than the other, as I would calling apples and oranges. Just very different tonal textures, at least as far as what my ears are telling me.
Agreed but the $$$ Isn't justified. I've been playing for 50 years and I can sound better and I can sound better then people who play on 5K kits. It's about tuning, head selection and having a Solid Overall facility on the kit.
Excellent comparison!!!
I just been thinking of buying a new one.
This video helps. Thankyou!
But can a $700 kit djent?
American Bassist yes😂😂😂
No not at 1st you got to train it 1st like you do to a horse
Baby steps my dear friend
There's always a challenge to be conquered
So yes, but practice makes perfect
You would probably already know that tho
Do not mock the Djentlemen's Club! lol
DAMN you beat me too it
I feel like the expensive kit toms exploded a bit more. Just sounded sweeter. Definitely with the snare too. That was obvious.
With good mics and great playing though it still sounds boss. Great video man.
Drum heads man. The cheap kit looks like it still has cheap single ply clear heads.
The other kit has better, coated heads.
he used the same ones.. read the description
Yeah man. It’s all about the kit. Same heads and all. That wood is gooooooood. 🤘🏻😎
Absolutely right. A lot more boom, but damn... this guy is one tight drummer!!!
Shorty: I have doubts.
Brown floor tom clearly has a Remo Pinstripe STYLE head (doesn't have to actually be a Remo Pinstripe of course) while the red floor tom doesn't have a pinstripe, so it''s a different head... regardless of what the description says.
Aaaand if I'm wrong I'm sure the friendly UA-cam commenters will tell me so. :P
Another awesome video
Test fail** take away the mics .. play them both raw.. everything sounds good coming through the mix.
in that there is your answer. where it really matters your set will almost always be in a mix, or micd up live. the only thing that really matters is have good heads on your drums and honestly you have to have decent cymbals. not $1,600 worth...but at least a couple hundred bones
Found the fellow sound engineer
wich is the point of the video
Hard to tell when your listening through a crappy smartphone speaker or cheap earphones lol
And that the sound is equalised in volume and you don't have real instruments around, and the microphones are rather middle-ish.
Plug your phone into your PA and crank it up with the 4x 15's on the floor. You'll hear it nicely then
Go buy a decent set of In ears, ive had my JH16v2 for a while now and I swear there literally the best iems in the world. Theyre not very cheap but im a professional drummer and I use them everyday in the studio and on stage. Even on my note 9 where i can customize the equalizer im able to essentially bypass UA-cam's stupid compressed audio and make everything sound as if I was listening from the control room.
@@cencalindustries Thats overkill dude and unnecessary for a compressed UA-cam video. Louder isn't always better and like my Audio Engineer teacher always taught us at Berklee a lot of the time having the volume more quiet isbetter so you can hear every minute track and detail but im assuming you're just being a smartass about it haha
@@scottyweimuller6152 r/wooooosh
The snares sound the most different but they are different depths so it makes sense. Next is the cymbals, because the cheap ones sound overly ringy and brassy while the nice ones have a smoother sound. Then I'd say the kick since the PDP has a short almost snap to it but the Truth has a fuller sound with a tad longer decay. The toms sound the most alike to me, and with good tuning thats exactly what you should expect. I still prefer the sound of the Truth toms, but it's preference at that point.
Overall a drummer should be most concerned with the cymbals since they can make the biggest difference in sound. The snare sound could also be preference and I bet if Jared used the same depth snares they would sound more similar, so that's why I mentioned them as being the most different sounding in this video but not what a drummer should be most worried about.
Go on pearl they have really good sounding drums for Good price’s
The bass drum and the cymbals DEFINITLY makes a difference. The expensive kit also in general had a warmer sound to it than the cheap one. That said - both kits sound perfectly fine and it just goes to show that if you take a little extra care for your instruments, then budget solutions can be great ways to get decent gear that you can evolve your skills with :)
Both are better than my cans
Use buckets too
SpartanChalo13 lol good one, mate
so the only difference i hear is how the cymbals and snare sound
Chad 666 yes me to the other exactly same
Agreed
Not at all, the snare on the expensive kit is much tighter and the kick has a lot more bass much richer and punchier than the cheap kit, clean your ears lol jk
Chad 666 I could hear the floor Tom but he really did do a good job getting it similar
Chad 666 same I agree
Just bought a Yamaha stage custom and it sounds great.
I could hear the difference. But I've also been playing for most of my life, and I used to work in a music store. Depending on the heads and the tuning, and the brand of drums, you can definitely make some less expensive drums sound good.
For example, I have a Tama Rockstar DX kit. I put a lot of hard work into that kit. One day, my cousin (who is a very good drummer) was playing on it, and he really impressed with the sound. He thought it was a custom maple kit. He was shocked when I told him that it was just a 1992 Tama Rockstar DX.
I now have a Tama Starclassic Maple, and the sound from that kit is absolutely amazing! Such a warm and smooth tone, and easy to tune! I love them both!
But there are inexpensive kits that are just going to sound like crap no matter what you do. It depends on the brand and the quality of the construction.
The difference was more obvious once the drums were isolated in the mix. I wonder if a $1,500 kit would have bridged the gap?
A $1,500 kit and nice cymbals would definitely fit the gap IMO
I agree 100%.
Just buy a cheap kit and get good cymbals and a snare. This video proved those to be the more notorious differences.
yea I believe so, or even topped the 5000$ kit in some cases. You can get a Tama Starclassic kit 5 pc for that much or less, and In many people's opinions they are the best kits commonly available on the market today. the Tama drums definitely have the best parts for the price. heck, just getting a Die-cast hoop set for a 5 pc kit alone would run you around 400$!
That’s the thing though, it doesn’t really matter what they sound isolated, if you are playing with a band, the audience will not give a shit, in a studio setting, cymbals, snare, and kick is all that need to be decent unless you plan on using a drum replacement plug-in (which most metal bands do now) a kick can be manipulated to punch through a mix if recorded, snare and cymbals are the two things you can’t really fix very well
A good musician can sound good on anything he plays
Vegas Cycling Freak very true
So not Jared then
NO... just no! some stuff is just so bad, you can't make it sound good!
Hans Dampf make it sound good or probably you bought something that doesn’t give you the sound you’re looking for.
I’m drummer and for me tama is the best sounding drum around
+Hans Dampf
Anything can sound better when tweaked at least
i love that truth snare sound..
I gotta say I love the snare on the first kit
The cymbals were obvious- the cheap ones suck. But the drums were similar although the Truth snare is too tight
idk about you but the cymbals sounded alike the only difference was the snare and the kick being deeper on the truth where the OCP is thin and tight
though if you had a snare and bass with the same depths it would sound more alike
i agree with all except the snare part. i think the bass drum sounds better on the Truth as well
Cymbals are total personal preference. You can like a cheap one more than an expensive one. The different between cheap and expensive cymbals are made by machine or hammered by a person.
i think he used the same cymbals didn't he?
There wasn't that much of a difference with one exception: the snare drum. The $5,000 set's snare sounded so much better.
It had good tone but I hate the way he had it tuned.
Joe Romano. The drums on the cheaper kit sounded blastier and not as tonal as the expensive kit. Idk if it's because of the heads on the drums but if you listen to the drum track only you can hear tonal and clear to muddy and blasty.
Cymbals on the 5k were waaaay better sounding
Mauricio Miranda the heads are the same on both sets, says so in the description
Jake Dvorsky
Then just the kit?
I liked the blooper at the end with the floor tom falling over!
As a professional drummer myself, I can hear a significant difference in the snare and cymbals. The kicks also sound different, however, I don't know how the Truth kick was set up for a mic. That makes a huge difference. For recording, I've always used a closed head, for live performance I've always used a hole. Makes a big difference as far as dynamics in the sound of the drum.
A note for you procrastonators wanting to start music: it don't matter the *instument* it's the *musican* who makes it sound good
Corgiz yah, has nothing to do with the expensive mics, knowledge of tuning and proper recording abilities.
Corgiz you're rock!!!
Corgiz plastic trombones suck but yeah true
To a degree yes, but bad equipment does make it harder, for example playing on a guitar that has bad pickups and high action would make it difficult to play say speed metal, maybe good for slide guitar or Mississippi blues, I think it comes down to good and bad equipment more than cheap and expensive
ya i mean who needs a professional sound engineer *eyeroll*
So......buy a cheap set and upgrade the snare and cymbals?? Would better skins on the cheap tombs help? Honestly question. I'm not a drummer
Anthony Stinnett
Good question, in short yes. Cymbals and snare are the biggest improvement you could make. Better skins and tuning does help a lot. Technique dose play a big part always hit the centre on the skin for the best sound and response. I still use my cheap kit with Zildjian A series cymbals and a Taylor Hawkins signature snare by Gretsch. With Remo Pinstripes on the toms over Ambassador's, Emperor X on the snare with a Powerstroke Pro on the bass drum with a Powerstroke 3. To be fair it sounds great. When recording decent mic's good mixing and they can sound even better. The closer the mic is to the skin the more bass frequencies build. So yeah good skins, technique, tuning, cymbals, dampening and care and you can make a £200/$200 kit sound much better.
pdp are pretty good cheap kits..
I think you can get better sound from that snare (probably another snare head, some tricks and tweaks to avoid buzzs and strange noises, and to take out that annoying high pitch at the end). About the cymbals, yes... forget ZBTs, are probably the worst low cost cymbals on market. ZBT doesn't have any control over the sound, horrible decay and that ride... that's garbage. Even for the budget of that cymbals, mixing several brands and you can get a better and more "efficient" cymbals set - yes, mix brands, the best you can do with your money. Get the best for the price on each different brand.
Skins on tombs... Sounds like a horror flick
Definitely illustrates why many mix brands or price tiers when it comes to snares and the rest of the kit.
Overall considering the different sizes of the snares, and kicks, with them both having the same heads I heard the difference but it wasn't a $3,100 difference for me. The cymbals though, that was a pretty big difference for me.
My question though is why was the PDP set so high???
As a drummer I feel that I could hear quite a difference. The over quality of the expensive one sounded better. Specifically it sounded more full in the sound it gave, whereas the cheaper one sounded less strong and kind of tinny. And yeah the snare in the more expensive one sounded much better haha.
HomesliceDrummer It's clear that the quality of a more expensive kit can't be touched. With that said, it takes more than just an expensive kit to make the drums sounds good. Tuning, heads, mics all add to it.
dooder really? That's new news to the recording world. Fuller sounding drums can always be eq ed to suit the mix. Better sound means more head room, better dynamics and better sound...
HomesliceDrummer I couldn't have said it better. Absolutely right!
HomesliceDrummer
Exactly, you nailed it. But see, Jared the drummer did not create a valid comparison, but accomplished what you just described.
dooder there's something called a pan and a EQ... totally wrong on the bass drum frequency... Some of the bass guitar will be at 200. I've been working as a Mastering eng for 20 years and did my apprenticeship under Bernie Grundman 30 years ago....
the 700$ actually sounds great
Alexandre Dupont It is okay, but the low tom and snare are by far better on the Truth kit
Also the kick on the PDP sits more in the low mid range than it does sub range whereas the Truth kit covers low mid and sub.
I thought the PDP set sounded great for its price point. Lots of, uh, well ... 'bang for the buck.' Terrible pun, but whatever.
The Truth kit had a great kick, a great floor tom, and a great snare sound. The rack tom was decent.
The PDP kit had a great rack tom, and decent-everything-else.
But that's on my speakers, not yours. :)
It sounds good, true. Not as thick and full as the more expensive drums though. That cheap snare is very weak xD
Both sounded great! Seemed like the custom kit toms rang a bit deeper. Great drummer makes even a cheap kit sound great!
Awesome video! without any track, I could notice that the cheaper snare has very little overtones and sounds more snappy, while the rack tom has a deep sound but not a very smooth decay. While choosing a drumset, besides sound, the material quality and durability are very important key factors.
You definitly hear a difference.
But for 700 quid this set doesn't sound as bad as expected.
It comes down to drum heads and tuning. An awful drum can usually be tuned to sound good once the heads have been replaced.
adam nelson, I'm not a drummer and I don't like drums but I can definitely hear the difference even if my ears are not trained and i'm not an expert. Trust me, listen to a song that is well recorded in a decent set of earphones (not earphones with shitty bass frequencies) with a $700 drum and another song with a $5000 drum and I guarantee that, even if most of the time people don't pay attention, the final track in general with the best drumset will have a richer, fuller sound than the other one.
As a professional sound engineer of 30 years and a former drummer I can tell you that there is only a small difference in sound live but, a huge difference in the studio. Tuning is everything. BUT, there is one thing people over look-- certain configurations regardless of cost work best.
A 22" kick has a natural resonance of 60Hz-- it is no surprise that NEVE consoles from the earliest years had their low EQ standardized at 63HZ-- which became the 'English drum sound" A 9x13 rack tom can sound deeper than a 16x16 floor and a 21" rock ride is immortal among session drummers on tracks like Steely Dan. The snare is another thing, no such thing as a cheap one with great sound.
p.s. If you go in a studio and the engineer wants you to dampen your heads because he can't control the ring--FIRE HIM!
We need a drum set that is built with a composite that is same as the best drums and mass produced for cheap and same for cymbals; make them perfect and maybe cast them with great brass from molds.
+Van Allen
You fire him because he doesn't know how to take advantage of the ring and incorporate it as the best part of the sound. Its what makes the kit come alive. Dampening heads make drums sound dead. That doesn't mean that a bit of tape on strategic points can't help but, that should only be employed as a band aid over a minor problem. That's why my preference is for sprayed white Ambassador heads.
no one needs that
Keith, how did you acquire your knowledge. Just curious if you were classically trained, collegially trained, or self taught. Your responses were very detailed!
Richard Zee
I have knowledge because I am old. I played drums as a kid from age 13 to 26. Went to the first college in Canada that offered Sound Engineering and opened my own recording studio. That led to the P.A. industry where I owned a touring company-- "Sound Chaser" I worked with 2,000 bands (literally) over the span of 20 years. I worked for I.A.T.S.E. for 2 years and worked with the Toronto Symphony. But my love was always the studio and I owned two 24 tracks back in the day-- still own a lot of gear. It's all for sale-- a bye gone era. The problem with studios is that they never make money. Due to lack of work I migrated to the film world and have been a production sound mixer for the last 10 years.
I am 62.... like I said, "I'm old."
Basically, the lesson here:
high-end snare/cymbals/heads > high-end toms/kick
yeah totally agree with you
Idk, cheap kick wasnt as punchy
I bought a kit for $80 off marketplace. Replaced the heads, tuned them up, threw on the mics. Sounds great.
The cheaper kit gives back so many different overtones unlike the more expensive kit
Depending on the style of music being played, that could actually be viewed as a negative.
The only major difference I hear between them is that the $700 kit has a much tighter snare because of the obvious size difference, but the Tom's and bass sound similar if tuned right, it's not always about money
Ryall Lindsay felt the same. Use the cheap kit but cop that expensive share and be set
Ryall Lindsay PDP snare is more than likely steel as well.
I have a Peace set. Very inexpensive, but I have an 800$ mapex snare!!! Lol
Ryall Lindsay I had a buddy teach me this lol, made my 500$ kit sound like a 4000$ one. Guess going to college for drum tech is worth it
Good quality used snare and cymbals for $1000 + a $700 drum kit (Gretsch). Good to go.
Where it really shows is the snare. I've got an ancient mx 100 kit I got for my 14th birthday and I still play it, at shows even, but paired with a nice old ludwig snare, decent cymbals, and years of knowledge about how to get the best tone out of those old toms, it sounds pretty good. It doesn't win me any style awards or look pretty, but it gets the job done.
I can tell a distinct difference in the nicer set, seems the drums are more "rounded" or "full" of sound.
So were the guitars on the rhythm track. He deliberate mixed the Truth kit and backing track lower in the mix to give it a deeper more fuller sound. Which probably would have came out that way in an even mix anyway. But he definitely had designs on making the Truth kit sound bigger than the Brand X kit he was a/bing against. That said, any good recording wizard can make a $700 Imperialstar sound like a $6000 kit if one wanted, you'd be surprised what a good mixer can do.
They both sound great to me
IV MustanG I think especially drums are based on taste. Unless you're using rain catcher barrels as toms. I wouldn't go that far
you can make any drums sound good with good heads and good tuning
IV MustanG Yep. It depends on what sound you like I guess....
The snare's slightly different though
Tuning drums is a thing?
Vinn Regi Yes 😂
if that cheap kit sounds like that, i wonder how cheap Lars's kit in St Anger
bout tree fiddy
I figured he just stole a folding chair from another room.
Well, a garbage can is about $15, and Lars probably used the lid as a symbol. So Lars kit was probably really cheap.
Good... Im not the only one that HATES the sounds of drums on that whole album...what were they thinking??!
Haha. Boooooom. Take that lars.
Honestly, I couldn't tell nor decide which I liked better - they are just different. But, I did sub to your channel. Nice work.
It’s all about tuning and you did and awesome job tuning those two to sound the same and it also makes a dramatic difference when the drummer is good. A good drummer can make a $50 kids set from Walmart sound good
lol can't even afford a $400 drum set
That's why software was invented to emulate drum kits. It's really good. You should try it.
TonyMillard80 Hes talking about himself...
TonyMillard80 lol I think the op meant HE couldn't afford a $400 kit!
Yamis same my man
After like 6 years of playing on the worst kit ever I got myself a nice pearl target for around 450 well worth the wait! Just keep putting them penny away
If I had to choose, I'd probably take some part of one and some of the other, like for example: I liked the expensive snare more, but the way the cheap kick sounds clicks better with me. In the end, it all comes down to personal taste.
the ride on the expensive set sounds so good
Very cool. I drew the line at 2 grand with a DW (RCI Starlite) acrylic 5-piece with rack and some drummers say it's better-sounding than the high-end DW sets. I'll take their word for it.
Personally, the cheaper kit sounds much more tinny and the truth custom kit has a much fuller sound which makes a big difference in my opinion as a drummer. Also the snare on the cheaper kit is awful in comparison, and cheaper kits don't seem to last as long. They are good for their money but the best stuff is expensive for a reason
actually they are both very expensive for the sound, the cheap kit sounds more like a $400 kit, the expensive one is very good but is it worth the price???
Jakobi, the elongated sustain of the truth set is what you're referring to. You and a few other people can hear what you're talking about. "Never try to teach a pig to sing, it only frustrates you, and annoys the pig".
I agree with Jacobi. The sound from the Truth kit is way better. For the price it's a little higher than the standard professional 3 piece shell pack. You can get a great sounding 3 piece for 2,000. Cymbals are very subjective. A good set of cymbals (hihats, 2 crashes, 2 rides, splash or china) could get up there. 2,000. But for 5,500$ I would sound like freaking Colauita. Just saying.
Yep, but you can do the same with the standard EQ included in your DAW for a fraction of the price.
I think the cheap set still may have a place despite its differences.
Cheap snare sounded cheap
Expensive snare sounded good
Kick & toms on the cheap kit was not as bad as I expected.
Expensive kick & toms had a warm rich sound
Great Video.
Admire your humility
I think honestly it all depends on the sound you’re goin for...I had a “frankin kit” that I played for years. It consisted of a pearl floor Tom, and one Ludwig Tom and I think the snare may have been Tama. But the rest of the 10 piece kit were from “cheap” kits I had picked up at yard sales. The way I had them set up tho and the way I played them made all the difference.
Next do 700 drums vs 5000 drums
The Earth+ how on earth is he gonna get 5,700 drums?!
M - Montage
Fullrock128 u questioning the earth about how on earth is he gonna get??
Well actually is 5698
he could buy josh duns sjc drums from him or buy neil peart’s kit
I don't really know much but it seems like the 5000$ one has more depth in the sound
They both sound kickass to me
Nice playing man that truth custom kit sounds wicked I put it through my daw you can tell the difference that truth kit snare is dull has a really nice tone and the red kit snare is really crisp
The Red drumkit with the Brown snare = Perfect. Cheap and sounds good.
Bro that snare alone could be worth $200-$300 XD not very cheap.
So it's still a $1000 kit at most that sounds good enough to gig with (but not record with; you want top-end shit for that). The 3 people in the crowd who can tell the difference don't matter much.
Personally, the cheap kit is too 'thin' sounding for my taste.
I love the snare of the Truth Custom Drums.
Skyern Aklea oh its niiiiiiice
Use good quality you can the difference..it's the truth must be paired with sabians
that's so funny you say that, because I personally hated it haha
Its okay it sounds very tight for me in Marshall headphones. My opinion anyway
Interesting. I actually liked the snare from the cheap kit better, although I did like the rest of the expensive kit better though :D
I can tell a big difference to my ears with headphones. The cheaper kit sounds a lot thinner but still great! It still recorded well and no one would know unless you compare it to an expensive kit.
You don't need the biggest best kit out there just a solid decent sounding kit.
I feel like Jared is being held hostage...
Joseph G-C Hostage with POST MALONE YEEEEEEEAHHHHH
My $80 drum set off of Craigslist sounds pretty good
that's nothin', i've got a friend who bought a whole set from a junkie for THIRTY $
Kade Samson what is that a picture of?
Alyus Dickey An extra terrestrial
Kade Samson i like it 👌
Some Cheap drums are good but the cymbals goxfor expensive ones
Snare/cymbals. Good drumming