Kit Carson didnt just live in the Old West, he helped create it. Kit was an undeniable part of the establishment of the United States as we know it now. Truly a man among great men.
I know my comments might be a little repetitive, but I love you Josh. Honestly, you do annoy me a little about Nevada and Fremont but I grin and bear it. You're the best story teller ever! I can't thank you enough. You've really helped to educate this old lady on subjects I love! Thanks again.
I know my inputs are for not, and don’t even have anything to do with the old West, but I’m gonna say it anyways. Kit has always reminded me of my grandpa who is literally the roughest, toughest, meanest, capable and hardest working man I’ve ever seen. In the last couple years he’s gone down hill really bad. Due to his life of hard work and age, his body/muscles and joints are failing him I think depression is what’s affecting him the most. A couple of months ago, I drove out to the farm and pulled up on him sitting behind a tractor literally soaked in sweat, and just about tears because he had been there for three hours, trying to get the hydraulics to the rake hooked up and his right hand wouldn’t cooperate. What made me think of this is that Kit seemed to be doing much better in days before his death. In the last half week I’ve seen a major difference in my grandpa, his posture, his morale, everything about him has seemed to be drastically better and this has been worrying me. I just tell myself I’d rather him go happy, feeling good about himself, recognizing his achievements, and knowing he has taken care of his family for generations and generations to come.
@@WildWestExtravaganza no thank you sir keep up the good work I enjoy the content and have also convinced my son to check out the channel and we agree you do reliable credible research and put out great content thanks again… I been following since bloody beaver 🦫 was a thing
Wow, I learned a lot in this episode. Carleton sent a Lt. Shoupe with a band of Comanches to arrest my great-great grandfather and his band of Georgia prospectors in what is now western Oklahoma along the Canadian river. Shoupe wrote a report on the ambush and surrender in a great descriptive letter I found in the Record of the Civil War. The Comanches got mad because Shoupe wouldn’t let them loot or torture the prisoners, and said so in his report. This was in 1863, as the party from Georgia (Green Russell and Co.) were trying to get back home to Georgia after the Yankees had run them off from their gold mine in Colorado. They were imprisoned at Fort Union, NM. I wonder if they were the same Indians that fought in this story? A different Yankee, Plympton, released them (and their gold) the following spring after having them sign an Oath of Loyalty to the Union.
Another fine series where I learned much. Thank you Josh for another unmatched look into one of the legends of the west. Now I can watch the series once again but back to back. ✌🏻
Winter is coming. Slow time of year, for work . This ant no time for you to be lazin about . We need you churning out more. Nah we love your stuff & it’s worth the wait besides we still got plenty of your older work that I’ve not listened to yet. Thank you for another great telling of American history!
He saw a sight of the Old West, from the mountain man days to the Civil War to Adobe Walls. They said of his bravery that Kit would charge Hell with a bucket of water. He had no hindsight from today. He did what he thought best by the standards of his times…as we all do.
I think it's hard to judge people of the past by today's morals. People thought differently at different times in history. Right or wrong it's the way it was. Can't change it. People were and still are imperfect beings. I enjoyed the video very much as I have every one of them. Thank you for the great entertainment! And by the way you have the perfect voice to narrate such a show, for sure!
Josh, I stumbled onto your channel like a wanderer stumbles onto an oasis. A breath of fresh air, a cool drink of water, and much needed shade from a punishin' high sun. I'll point as many of my hombres in your direction as I can.
Another great series Josh, definitely learned alot about Kit Carson from this series. I may have asked before I cant remember, but do you ever plan a doing a video on Jedediah Smith?
As someone from the UK, I love these stories. I don't know if he was a good man, or a bad one. He supported settler colonialism, and the uprooting of the indigenous - but did he hate them? Or was it just two sides of a war? Anyway, thanks again Josh, love you stuff :)
The heroes were always the creation of the winners. Plain and simple throughout our histories, until you really dig deep. Thank you for the research and presenting as much history as you have.
I have been watching all of your kit carson episodes. They were great. It is was interesting seeing family relations, and it was interesting to see brother in law was Charles Bent. In his family he converted to Catholicism. I realized he made some Famous religious people. Bishop Latour of Santa Fe (model for the historical novel -Death comes for the Archbishop" by Willa Cathar, and Fr. Pierre de Smet the famous Western missionary (And good friends with the Sioux, good friends with Sitting Bull). I would love to see some episodes on these Western missionaries? Perhaps an episode on all the missionaires together, or do some episodes on individuals. Fr. Smet was probably the most famous, lots of adventure in his life, and he knew all the mountain men personally.
It's not easy to question motives when it is a different world that he lived in. Without knowing what his order detail or a man's mindset after more life and death experiences than imaginable to us civilized folks today. Sometimes it's about relevance and perspective, then again, maybe he was just a crazy bastard who liked to kill. Either way, I prefer history without emotion and don't blame anybody for anything. Thank you Josh & great work, your support group will always save you a seat in the Oregon State Mental Institution of Salem Oregon.
When you review and write (or talk) about the Indian Wars and the Conquest of the West, you must always include mitigating information. The first thing to understand is that this was a clash of cultures. The Europeans had been farmers for thousands of years, while the indigenous of North America were largely still hunter/gatherers with a warrior culture. The entire culture revolved around the warrior. That means that native communities valued the warrior above all else. Warriors needed to be warring and raiding, and they did this always, including and especially before the arrival of Europeans. (See - "War Before Civilization," Lawrence Neely). So it comes down to the question of whether civilization is better than a Stone Age existence in warrior cultures. (HInt, with civilization, more people have been able to live at higher standards of living and longer). Revisionists, such as Howard Zinn (who began revisionism) and Benjamin Maley, make their cases by leaving out mitigating circumstances or using language to influence the interpretation of a situation that could be interpreted in a completely contradicting way. A good example is when Madley wrote about California Indians and how many white men took natives for wives or concubines. He uses language that makes it seem forced and even an insult to the Indians, when it was the opposite by all we know about that situation and everywhere in North America where trappers and other frontiersmen often had native wives, including Kit Carson. In the case of the Navahos, they had been raiding nearby tribes as traditional aggressors. The only way Carson could force them to stop was to isolate them and finally remove them. The California battles also have mitigating circumstances. When nearly 1,000 Indian warriors were set to attack settlers in Northern California and Fremont and Carson had the opportunity to strike first, do you think they should have relented and allowed fellow Americans to be slaughtered? Many of them, BTW; had native wives. By the time Americans arrived in California (or Oregon) they had collectively suffered so many depredations that there was zero tolerance for violent, raiding tribes. In the case of the Klamath "massacre," Fremont and Carson's party had been attacked first and merely retailiated. The very active and bloody Snake/Paiute Indian War was still raging in Eastern Oregon, Northern Nevada, and the extreme Northeastern portion of California during the Civil War up to 1864. (Read about that in Gregory Michno's "The Deadliest Indian War"). Fremont was an Army officer and a graduate of West Point. He knew the history of the early 19th-century Indian slaughters of whites and even the fledgling U.S. Army. So it was a matter of who would survive. Judging the past with today's standards is called Transmorphism, which is a form of hypocrisy. (A good antidote to Madley's "An American Genocide," is Jeff Flynn-Paul's "Not Stolen."
Carson was the man that lead John C. Fremont into California, coincidently at the very moment that news of the Mexican War was underway! Fremont seized the initiative and California fell into right his hands (and making it US Territory). ... a lucky man ...
Looking at Kit Carson with a 'modern' eye its easy to demonize the man but if you look at Carson from the eyes of the survivors of massacred families friends or just everyday folks living in that time and place plus the fact that the Whites were not the only ones involved in scorched earth tactics its easy to see why they regarded Carson as a hero . My Son and I talking about war today and as cruel as it sounds I brought up the idea of just who are the innocents? Someone supports soldiers and warriors who feeds them sews their clothes makes their weapons gives moral support even someone is always there to replace the fallen, if you don't believe me just watch the old films from WW1 and WW2 and all the huge crowds cheering the boys off to war. Men women and children urging the 'boys' to go murder that damn enemy and the Native villages were no different We are all guilty ever since Cain murdered Abel
Not a word about them repeating rifles as limping horse said they shot our ears off ......them howitzers were intimidating but the rifles are what saved the day ....quanah was there and he promptly started preparing to leave the warpath
Ok Josh, enough of this crap. We need to get you a team of researchers and editors to help you pump out content faster. I’m tired of waiting for new stories.
If they make a movie about Carson, who should play him?
Danny DeVito?
Forie j smith.
If Disney makes it Tyra Banks?
Jauqine Phoenix
Jeff Bridges
Kit Carson didnt just live in the Old West, he helped create it. Kit was an undeniable part of the establishment of the United States as we know it now. Truly a man among great men.
Feel like he would disagree about disavow any part of what the united states now is.
I know my comments might be a little repetitive, but I love you Josh. Honestly, you do annoy me a little about Nevada and Fremont but I grin and bear it. You're the best story teller ever! I can't thank you enough. You've really helped to educate this old lady on subjects I love! Thanks again.
Thanks Beth
I know my inputs are for not, and don’t even have anything to do with the old West, but I’m gonna say it anyways. Kit has always reminded me of my grandpa who is literally the roughest, toughest, meanest, capable and hardest working man I’ve ever seen. In the last couple years he’s gone down hill really bad. Due to his life of hard work and age, his body/muscles and joints are failing him I think depression is what’s affecting him the most. A couple of months ago, I drove out to the farm and pulled up on him sitting behind a tractor literally soaked in sweat, and just about tears because he had been there for three hours, trying to get the hydraulics to the rake hooked up and his right hand wouldn’t cooperate. What made me think of this is that Kit seemed to be doing much better in days before his death. In the last half week I’ve seen a major difference in my grandpa, his posture, his morale, everything about him has seemed to be drastically better and this has been worrying me. I just tell myself I’d rather him go happy, feeling good about himself, recognizing his achievements, and knowing he has taken care of his family for generations and generations to come.
It’s but a razor edge and we all slip eventually. Here’s hoping your grandpa has just been getting better sleep
I'd love to have known your grandpa.
Omg I love a well researched history story thank you
Thank you
@@WildWestExtravaganza no thank you sir keep up the good work I enjoy the content and have also convinced my son to check out the channel and we agree you do reliable credible research and put out great content thanks again… I been following since bloody beaver 🦫 was a thing
Wow, I learned a lot in this episode. Carleton sent a Lt. Shoupe with a band of Comanches to arrest my great-great grandfather and his band of Georgia prospectors in what is now western Oklahoma along the Canadian river. Shoupe wrote a report on the ambush and surrender in a great descriptive letter I found in the Record of the Civil War. The Comanches got mad because Shoupe wouldn’t let them loot or torture the prisoners, and said so in his report. This was in 1863, as the party from Georgia (Green Russell and Co.) were trying to get back home to Georgia after the Yankees had run them off from their gold mine in Colorado. They were imprisoned at Fort Union, NM. I wonder if they were the same Indians that fought in this story? A different Yankee, Plympton, released them (and their gold) the following spring after having them sign an Oath of Loyalty to the Union.
I love the way you tell stories and make us feel like we're are learning along side of you. Thank you so much!
Thank YOU
Another PERFECT Wednesday when a new episode DROPS!....fantastic research and delivery ALWAYS!
Josh, you can “extravagandize “ with the best of’em! Great video again!
If HBO does this and does it right . . . It could rival Lonesome Dove.
what a brilliant idea
Another fine series where I learned much. Thank you Josh for another unmatched look into one of the legends of the west. Now I can watch the series once again but back to back. ✌🏻
That's what i do too😊
Glad you enjoyed it
It's easy to be critical, of times we never lived in.
Critical? 😮 if explaining hard times is critical, then my balls don't need manscape😅😅
Winter is coming. Slow time of year, for work . This ant no time for you to be lazin about . We need you churning out more. Nah we love your stuff & it’s worth the wait besides we still got plenty of your older work that I’ve not listened to yet. Thank you for another great telling of American history!
No rest for the wicked
I have thoroughly enjoyed this Kit Carson series. Thanks for all you do Josh!
Thank YOU!!!!
He saw a sight of the Old West, from the mountain man days to the Civil War to Adobe Walls. They said of his bravery that Kit would charge Hell with a bucket of water. He had no hindsight from today. He did what he thought best by the standards of his times…as we all do.
Keep up the great work . Love your channel
Thanks so much!
I think it's hard to judge people of the past by today's morals. People thought differently at different times in history. Right or wrong it's the way it was. Can't change it. People were and still are imperfect beings.
I enjoyed the video very much as I have every one of them. Thank you for the great entertainment! And by the way you have the perfect voice to narrate such a show, for sure!
@WildWestExtravaganza
Yes! My favorite intro is back!!! Thank you for another great adventure.
Glad you enjoy it!
Alright Brothers and sisters Let the show begin
Let’s do it
The ending is fucking sad af
Josh, I stumbled onto your channel like a wanderer stumbles onto an oasis. A breath of fresh air, a cool drink of water, and much needed shade from a punishin' high sun. I'll point as many of my hombres in your direction as I can.
Best part of the week! YEEAaaah...
Thank you for rolling your 'R'! Always my favorite part
Kit car son. Hey dad what kind car is that? It's a kit car son.
My hometown had a garage that specialized in kit cars it was always funny to see a sports car that sounded like a tractor
@@damianorsini3578 what an era huh? 😆
@@Lobo-tommy10 these kids now a days will never understand the pre-internet era
@@damianorsini3578soo glad I was born in 1980 the good ole days 👍🏼
Another sponsor. Good luck my friend. No more forklift.
However a good forklift operator is hard to find.
You are very good and entertaining.
Ok dude. Im a single lady and your commercials make me smile.
Mission accomplished
Thankyou again.
I always appreciate your work.
Peace
You are very welcome
Another excellent video. Who are we to judge history, we need to do the right thing today.
1st one here! I’ll claim my trophy now señor Josh
Ha
I was on it waiting but I got side tracked mad as hell
Keep waiting 🎉
Great series! Thanks!
My pleasure!
AWESOME!!!
You are!
Dang i missed the premiere by 19 minutes i was cooking some grub hey josh as always love the vids this series is super compelling
What you cooking?
@@WildWestExtravaganza grilled chicken mashed taters and corn
I totally didn’t keep refreshing my UA-cam feed periodically throughout the day so as to catch this episode as soon as possible.
(I did).
Hey Josh...Is there anything left of the Adobe Walls? If so where are they located? What a cool place to visit!
I haven’t been there but I don’t think there’s much left. You can visit but i believe it’s on private land.
If I'm not mistaken the adobe walls were located on what's now on the turkey track ranch .
@@dalemetcalf339 Thanks!
Happy to see this drop Josh is the 🦙
I’m the alpaca
Quick question and im sure you get this one all the time but when do we get a series about the james brothers
Another great series Josh, definitely learned alot about Kit Carson from this series. I may have asked before I cant remember, but do you ever plan a doing a video on Jedediah Smith?
I do, not sure when but it’s going to happen
As someone from the UK, I love these stories. I don't know if he was a good man, or a bad one. He supported settler colonialism, and the uprooting of the indigenous - but did he hate them? Or was it just two sides of a war? Anyway, thanks again Josh, love you stuff :)
That's the motivational intro I wanted to hear!
Perfect
Superb series
Thank you
OK gotta watch this one twice
Lol I watched it 3 times and will probably watch it a couple more times
Just a little more frosting on my week.
The heroes were always the creation of the winners. Plain and simple throughout our histories, until you really dig deep. Thank you for the research and presenting as much history as you have.
I have been watching all of your kit carson episodes. They were great. It is was interesting seeing family relations, and it was interesting to see brother in law was Charles Bent. In his family he converted to Catholicism. I realized he made some Famous religious people. Bishop Latour of Santa Fe (model for the historical novel -Death comes for the Archbishop" by Willa Cathar, and Fr. Pierre de Smet the famous Western missionary (And good friends with the Sioux, good friends with Sitting Bull). I would love to see some episodes on these Western missionaries? Perhaps an episode on all the missionaires together, or do some episodes on individuals. Fr. Smet was probably the most famous, lots of adventure in his life, and he knew all the mountain men personally.
I could not have been a Kit Carson.
Every hero is a villain in someone’s eyes
".... ...... In beauty we walk..... "
Well said
It's not easy to question motives when it is a different world that he lived in. Without knowing what his order detail or a man's mindset after more life and death experiences than imaginable to us civilized folks today.
Sometimes it's about relevance and perspective, then again, maybe he was just a crazy bastard who liked to kill.
Either way, I prefer history without emotion and don't blame anybody for anything.
Thank you Josh & great work, your support group will always save you a seat in the Oregon State Mental Institution of Salem Oregon.
Good video 👍🏼
Thanks 👍
When you review and write (or talk) about the Indian Wars and the Conquest of the West, you must always include mitigating information. The first thing to understand is that this was a clash of cultures. The Europeans had been farmers for thousands of years, while the indigenous of North America were largely still hunter/gatherers with a warrior culture. The entire culture revolved around the warrior. That means that native communities valued the warrior above all else. Warriors needed to be warring and raiding, and they did this always, including and especially before the arrival of Europeans. (See - "War Before Civilization," Lawrence Neely). So it comes down to the question of whether civilization is better than a Stone Age existence in warrior cultures. (HInt, with civilization, more people have been able to live at higher standards of living and longer).
Revisionists, such as Howard Zinn (who began revisionism) and Benjamin Maley, make their cases by leaving out mitigating circumstances or using language to influence the interpretation of a situation that could be interpreted in a completely contradicting way. A good example is when Madley wrote about California Indians and how many white men took natives for wives or concubines. He uses language that makes it seem forced and even an insult to the Indians, when it was the opposite by all we know about that situation and everywhere in North America where trappers and other frontiersmen often had native wives, including Kit Carson. In the case of the Navahos, they had been raiding nearby tribes as traditional aggressors. The only way Carson could force them to stop was to isolate them and finally remove them.
The California battles also have mitigating circumstances. When nearly 1,000 Indian warriors were set to attack settlers in Northern California and Fremont and Carson had the opportunity to strike first, do you think they should have relented and allowed fellow Americans to be slaughtered? Many of them, BTW; had native wives. By the time Americans arrived in California (or Oregon) they had collectively suffered so many depredations that there was zero tolerance for violent, raiding tribes. In the case of the Klamath "massacre," Fremont and Carson's party had been attacked first and merely retailiated. The very active and bloody Snake/Paiute Indian War was still raging in Eastern Oregon, Northern Nevada, and the extreme Northeastern portion of California during the Civil War up to 1864. (Read about that in Gregory Michno's "The Deadliest Indian War"). Fremont was an Army officer and a graduate of West Point. He knew the history of the early 19th-century Indian slaughters of whites and even the fledgling U.S. Army. So it was a matter of who would survive. Judging the past with today's standards is called Transmorphism, which is a form of hypocrisy.
(A good antidote to Madley's "An American Genocide," is Jeff Flynn-Paul's "Not Stolen."
Kit Carson was one Hell of an American. He loved America and would fight her enemies wherever they may be hiding.
Did the Anglos have single breech loaders or 15 shot Henry Rifles?
(Bosqe Redondo was on the Pecos R)
Awesome!! 💥🤯
Carson was the man that lead John C. Fremont into California, coincidently at the very moment that news of the Mexican War was underway!
Fremont seized the initiative and California fell into right his hands (and making it US Territory). ... a lucky man ...
It fell out of his hands rather quickly
Yaaaassss
His older brothers of Carsons opened the Santa Fe Trail in 1821 from Franklin, Missouri......
Looking at Kit Carson with a 'modern' eye its easy to demonize the man but if you look at Carson from the eyes of the survivors of massacred families friends or just everyday folks living in that time and place plus the fact that the Whites were not the only ones involved in scorched earth tactics its easy to see why they regarded Carson as a hero . My Son and I talking about war today and as cruel as it sounds I brought up the idea of just who are the innocents? Someone supports soldiers and warriors who feeds them sews their clothes makes their weapons gives moral support even someone is always there to replace the fallen, if you don't believe me just watch the old films from WW1 and WW2 and all the huge crowds cheering the boys off to war. Men women and children urging the 'boys' to go murder that damn enemy and the Native villages were no different We are all guilty ever since Cain murdered Abel
I was wondering when you’d get around to Kit Carson.
Just did a short for your channel commented on the guy that was first didnt know i could do that
A little "Indian Justice" for Kit Carson would have been good!
He got embarrassed by Kiowa chief satanta who had a bugle and knew how to play it and played the retreat to confuse carsons troops
Geoegia O'Keefe lived in Taos for many years. Her ashes are on top of a mountain 🏔️ in Taos.
You omitted O'Keefe living in Taos.
I purposefully left her out to give you this opportunity
Wild West Exttttravaganza!
What would Kit Carson think of the manscape commercial interrupting his story?
I asked and he said he didn’t mind.
@@WildWestExtravaganza LOL
Your balls! I also learned some stuff.
Hey Josh
Damn Fine Series! Let's pray that HBO doesn't turn his story into some unrecognizable piece of woke crap.
By the way, who killed Pat Garrett?
Most likely a guy named Jesse Wayne Brazel
If it would of been done before the series it would of been the best series ever made but they fucked the last up so bad last 2 seasons
Tim Blake Nelson would be a good actor for the movie
Yep
👍👍👍 Thanx
The book to read is Blood and Thunder.
Who’s the author?
Hampton Sides
@@arthurnewton4031 I’ll look into it. What’s his book about?
Shooting 1/2 a mile with open sights bad ass let's get it.
All right let’s do this !!! 🍺
Not a word about them repeating rifles as limping horse said they shot our ears off ......them howitzers were intimidating but the rifles are what saved the day ....quanah was there and he promptly started preparing to leave the warpath
Hell yes!!
Hey how come you’ve never made a video about Jesse James?
Time
@@WildWestExtravaganza fair enough 👍 would love to see it, only just recently found your channel and im hooked. Keep up the great work
@@TheRealSandorClegane I’m definitely planning on a James series in the next few months
Commanche warriors were tough,
That they were
im late,bring it
Brung
@@WildWestExtravaganza you da man
Time to get my weekly fix
What the hell does shaving your balls have to do with Adobe Walls.
You don’t know???
I hte that the guy that wont finish winds of winter
I only watched got the whole time it ran for real though
👍👍
Love me some WWE!
How many women were killed by his first in north AZ ...and children....not anything celebrated by their spirits and memories of their people
Huh?
@@WildWestExtravaganza yeah look it up ....not some great hero ....
You’re talking about Carson? I’m sorry, your initial comment is very hard to understand.
Josh you make this stuff sound like it was just yesterday! I really enjoy listening to the history of our nation. Thanks buddy 🫡
Ok Josh, enough of this crap. We need to get you a team of researchers and editors to help you pump out content faster. I’m tired of waiting for new stories.
Was Carson a good man or a devil? Only God knows. He was a contradiction. ❤❤Phoenix and Chewbacca mom
Ben Foster AKA Charlie Prince from 3:10 to Yuma