People aren't refusing to work. They're refusing to work for dogshit wages, zero benefits, insane hours and career dead end jobs. They should refuse to work under those conditions and business models and economies that depend on them should fail.
It's true. That's why I'm in remote tech now. I can actually BE with my family now rather than barely see them and be tired and grumpy all the time. Plus, I get paid a livable wage. The horror! Lol
More like society progressed and SOME men didn't want to progress with it, so they went back to acting like boys since getting the long end of the privilege stick in life was no longer a birthright. Other men, DID adapt, did keep grinding, did keep sacrificing, did what they had to do because the alternative was wholly unacceptable. You won't find these men sulking on social media or brooding with other losers on redpill forums. They're much too busy 'doing' to be complaining about it.
All they need to do next is have all S&P 500 CEO males to step down. Too many rules in the office. Can't work without shoulder surfing, everyone's hating. Too much woke. I think the males are sick of it honestly.
In the 90s , I was a full-time employee at Sears and got paid enough to pay my rent, buy a car, and go to Bahamas every 6 months. Now I can't pay my rent with a damn engineer job!!
where are you working? I used to work at Wal-Mart part time, paid rent for a small room, had a shit car, and barely limped by. That was 15-20 years ago. I am a software engineer and have a 15 year mortgage on a 2000 sq foot home and own a decent car. I easily have $1000+ extra per month and I probably spend too much on my wife and kids per month. The 90s sounds amazing for work but I was a kid lol
I believe you. About 10 years ago, so 2014, they sold a small house across the street from me for 27k. Last year, an almost identical house less than a block away sold for 100k. Same size yard, everything. Seems a big mark up. My math tells me most wage earners won't even be able to make a down payment on a house.
@seanutarbuckle6457 no, i’m calling bs on this narrative that this person lived the high life with a retail job in the 90s and now can’t pay rent with an “engineer job.” either they are living ridiculously above their means and always have been, or they are lying
Actually, they don't even seem able to read their own graph. Percentage of men in the labor force has been declining every year since at least 1950. Graph is pretty much a straight line. It looks like people just found out, a few at a time, how to get by without working and little by little, more and more of them did it. The govt doesn't know how these guys do it and the men really have nothing to gain by telling them. I'm reminded of a line from the movie Goodfellas: the regular people, the normals, working for a living, there was nothing wrong with them, they were just stupid.
That's why I moved to another country. I knew twenty years ago I wouldn't be able to pay back my student loans I graduated with 67000 USD I got it down to 20000. Now I just have to pay it off in fourteen months. Finally, after I pay that off, I can save
The problem is, people feel the work/reward ratio is complete garbage. Spending 40-80 hrs a week to barely survive at a job that 30 years ago would provide a livable wage is what’s causing a lot of this imo. Ppl are looking for other ways to survive now.
@@mechanicalrev That might be most of it but numbers and buying power are very important. Dave saids income is the most important wealth building tool so….
Yep. Just happened at my work. They literally proclaimed that they promote from within the company at a meeting just after they hired people off the street in management positions who know nothing about the job. That just tells me I need to find another employer where I can start off in higher position.
@@thystaff742 You are literally talking about the company where I am working. The difference is that they hired their friends in the management positions. While my bonuses got degraded
Not to mention how all these employers are singularly focused on making the job searching process as horrible as possible for everyone except their little nepotism cases or diversity hires. I've been working fulltime for most of my adult life (I've put in more OT with each passing year and I ask myself why) and I honestly don't blame other guys for deciding that they want no part of this garbage. Shame its just a paltry 7 million. (also, if anyone is thinking of giving me a youtube comments peptalk about "hurr durr networking", save it. Better yet, go blow it out your ass.)
I've worked in the hospitality industry. Employers treat you like you are disposable. I don't blame people for avoiding these jobs. Use it as a stepping stone and move on as soon as you can!
There’s no shortage of labor. There’s a shortage of corporations paying good salaries. If you have a STEM degree, You can make more money as independent contractor or starting a business
I worked 60+ hours a week for 20 years made way above the average wage and still could only afford to live a tiny apartment so I quit that and refuse to work like that anymore. I'm nit surprised so many people are quitting work.
@@rebeccalindley153 I build test rigs for a robotics company. I did move I moved from London to San fransico, most good jobs are in expensive areas weirdly.
When I entered the work force in the 90's my entry level job paid $15 an hour. Guess how much most blue collar jobs pay today? Exactly the same $15 an hour! Yet houses and everything else costs 5x what it did back then. This is not sustainable.
No one talks about how there is no rhyme or reason in how jobs pay now. Someone hauling logs or doing similar dangerous work makes the same or a few dollars more than a cashier now.
@@johnran6015 It's because the logging companies are cheap and screwing people over, that's the reason. I have no problem with a cashier making the same wage as a logger, but it's up to the industry to pay accordingly if they want the labour. Flipping burgers should pay a livable wage as much as hauling whatever does, hold the companies accountable
What welfare program let's any male between 20 and 40 just sit home? Imagine watching Dave work a 12 hr manual labor job, his back story would indicate he's never worked a physical job in his life.
That’s what I always ask when you see stories or rants like this. Unemployment isn’t forever. You can’t just go and get welfare. So these folks must be doing something for money
@@jasonweppelman3318 Not literally anybody can get on welfare but a lot are able to if they are considered to have some sort of disability. It’s one part of the problem, not the whole thing. Like they were saying, for others it’s family and friends they rely on.
People are beginning to realize that working full time costs you more than it’s worth. Spending all day commuting, working a job with zero dignity, then grabbing some fast food and prepping to go back to work is a suckers game. I just heard a stripper say that she used to work retail sales but she gets more respect as a stripper. It’s not the parents, it’s the employers.
Apocryphal. People need to shake the dust off and go work proper and respecting jobs while honoring the body the Lord has given them. The only person to blame is the one looking into the mirror.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a stripper as long as she is doing the work willingly. People with moral objections don't need to go to her place of work.
@@billybeemus3929 Greetings and may the Lord send His blessings. Question: Are you saying there is nothing absolutely objectively wrong with what she is doing? If so, how do you ground that?
Dude I’m not surprised. Working at a restaurant and we’re super nice to folks (we close on Sunday’s if that’s any hint) and even then guests are rude and get so upset with us. Had a woman toss HOT soup back to a worker because she was unhappy with service. Some people get off on treating restaurant workers like trash. Had another lady call the store and actually show up because she wanted to fight someone she was upset with. Seriously, what part of fighting a nice worker is satisfying to someone?? The girl who got the soup thrown at her quit. 😔
Men don’t want to work in an environment where women get promoted over them purely for being a woman to fill a quota. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION is also to blame.
Don't forget men will get fired based on the word of a woman too. Several companies had to endure a bunch of bs cause of affirmative action and women getting special protections in the workplace. Men don't want to put up with that.
@IAmCosma Nothing wrong with competing in a FAIR environment where the best candidate gets the job. I have no issue taking a loss cause it makes me look into why they chose that person over me. However, with affirmative action and gender quotas, we are seeing people get the job not based on their skills but what's between their legs. I've seen several men get denied and the less qualified person get chosen based on this.
It’s not really a “shortage of labor.” Inflation has occurred. The wages being offered are below the American going rate. They aren’t genuine “American jobs” unless the wage is sufficient to attract American applicants. So, no. These aren’t real jobs.
I'm 25 and work a full time job but also live at home with parents. Unfortunately we aren't in 2006 anymore where the price of a house has surpassed the wage growth, so we are forced to stay at home longer to save more for it
I respect you the same. Dave is lost in time. Must be due to malnutrition given the beans & rice approach to wealth. He's also part of the generation that hasn't solved squat in the larger economic melee.
@@mikefannon6994 that was my first job at 21 10 years ago and it was ass. The 4 years I worked there felt like 30 years. Honestly 99.9 of these jobs are ass no one wants to admit it. God finally got involved 1 year after college and blessed me with a good job that didn’t drain my soul in November of 2020.
And I say to Dave and employers...pay people a decent living wage. Men used to be able to easily find jobs that paid them enough to afford their own home and provide for a family, plus they'd get a pension. Gone are those days. Many men who work hard now will have less to show for it then their prior generations. Simply making insults will never fix this labor shortage. Better pay and benefits will.
Doctor, Nurse, Lawyer, Scientist, Engineer, Automation Technician, Electrician & hundreds of other professions pay way, way more than a living wage. ....And your excuse for not going out an conquering the world is???
This guy is living in the past and would be singing a different tune if he was apart of that demographic. The real question is "why work?" Before it was to start and raise a family. The traditional family has broken and is gone. Continuing to shame them is only making things worse. People like this just dont seem to grasp that.
@@evilds3261He talking about the elders paying for the kids to enable them not to work though. Being a parent is not easy at all. It's one of the hardest things one can do while working to support the family. Unfortunately, some children do not see this. We also find ourselves in a world that is so easy to be entertained. All we need is a phone.. Maybe a TV and console... Or a computer.. And a streaming device to watch endless content. We can immerse ourselves in escape at any time we want. It's very easy to be lured by virtual drugs like that that offer easy dopamine hits... And the possibilities are so endless, that we never have to leave fantasy land... Oh yeah.. And don't forget the access to all the free pornography. Meanwhile, their is a virtual assault on the family unit, marriage, pride as a nation, work itself, while replacing these things with the state, plus race and success shaming (which is also an assault on mental health), all putting the future in limbo. So much seems so worthless... If socialism is around the corner, why work? We have people literally saying all the time, "why work to justify our existence?" Since the dawn of time, we had to work to eat... But I suppose we can stay online and keep arguing politically. Of course it isn't easy. A single family member can't easily sustain a family anymore, while providing transportation, higher education, and paying off a mortgage.. We find ourselves in interesting times. If children won't take care of their parents because their parents took the toys away to help them, we have a huge problem. Admittedly, the parents may have lived in a different world than you today which can cause a disconnect of understanding, but will the youth of today be able to reverse the trend with future gebrations? Or will they just not want to have children because they can't count in their children loving them back and taking care of them either? Perhaps we are due for population collapse?
Understood, my question is why are these young men not motivated to work so that they can have a good life for themselves alone? Do young man only want to survive if other people need them to do things? Why is there no internal self-worth? It seems strange
@@Razzledazzle111 It's been done a certain way for thousands of years. If there is no future and you can get instant gratification for little, it's easier to just please the senses in the easiest way possible. The relationship dynamics have changed too. It's easy for a male to feel they are not needed... Or wanted.. By what they see online. Idk... Doing everything for oneself without anyone to share it with seems kind of like a dead end to me. Combine that with there being no God and no afterlife... I can see why many just don't care... Existence can become kind of pointless.
He's a rich boomer. Of course he isn't relatable. When he was young, a man could support an entire family and buy a home on a working class income. Now, a working class income is just enough to keep a man alive to go to work again the next day.
Those jobs are out there it's the fact that men are "quiet quitting" and lacking ambition to climb the ladder. There is also a massive skills gap now as well, there is more trained vets retiring than there is people replacing these guys. That is why wages ,in particular manufacturing, have gone up these past two years due to lack of skill labor. I also would like to point out that because of social media ,and other reasons, everyone seems to have a mindset of not caring enough about budgeting and living within their means.
You don't start at the top, you work a lower paid job to get experience to get a better job, maybe learn a skill along the way, work your way up to your own business, it does not happen over night. Don't say can't, just say won't.
@@Official-Comments really?? I was making $$$ and enjoyed what I was doing during the Reagan and Bush years. Even during during the Clinton years. What industry are you talking about?
These old bozos have no idea that gig apps are taking over millions of jobs. Most younger people are working uber, door dash, insta cart, Walmart spark, ebay resale etc. Independent contractor and you work anytime you want. That's what alot of kids are doing. Oh, and you tube content creator 🤣
@@beatdown3361 in that scenario it is perfectly fine to hate the player. Unless your suggestion is to get rid of social safety nets and allow people to starve.
I like Dave Ramsey but he is trying to have it both ways. In a recent video Dave talks about how he as a Christian cannot pay people a living wage to take care of their family if he cannot justify paying that amount. I got news for you Dave, job seekers can do the same. They have the option not to accept a job that does not pay them enough.
🤦♀️ What does that have to do with todays men not getting up off their butts to work? People who receive pensions and retirement payments earned it for working and paying into it for 35-45 years.
I don't condone kicking kids out unless you've given them the tools to be adults. But lets be honest, a-lot of parents have a co-dependency relationship with their kids anyway. The weakening of a society honestly.
It’s only an American thing really to throw your parents in a nursing home when there old. For other cultures it is seen as wealthy and honorable to be able to take care of our elderly m
@@intermix2580 In other cultures there is also an extended family structure in place to make sure the burden of caring for elders is spread amongst multiple people to ensure no one person is overwhelmed, and that family members who want or need to work can do so. Americans abandoned this model after WW2 in favor of the nuclear family model, which we arrogantly think is more evolved. It provides no resiliency when dealing with elder care and poor resiliency when dealing with child care. Either someone has to drop out of the workforce (usually the woman) to take care of someone who needs round the clock care, or if it can be afforded, having that care outsourced to professionals while the adults continue to work. Two thirds of elder caregiving is the former, and for their noble sacrifice, these folks get their Social Security income negatively impacted for all that time "not working". Its not that Americans want to throw their elders into nursing homes. Its because they have to due to that extended family safety net not being there. Please stop acting like these facilities are dumping grounds for abandoned old folks.
@@joesabah6199 And they'd be nowhere close to where they are now if they weren't GIVEN everything. At least he could not be a hypocrite and admit to nepotism.
Indian, Chinese and Jewish families keep their kids at home until they're married. These races have more productive children too. They're known to end up in ivy league schools, high earners and have better lifestyles.
Being a model citizen and working your own life is overrated. I worked hard my whole life, sometimes, without even taking a vacation. But now that I am retired I am still paying a lot of taxes of my pension and social security ( my retirement money). I don’t blame anyone if they don’t want to work because you are going to pay taxes on your retirement money until you drop dead.
Based. Being a wageslave is not a source of pride. I say that as a current wageslave, but I'm not going above and beyond to break my back for a multi national corporation lol.
I did that stuff off and on. But I stopped working in 2006, even though I was only 44. Why bother? It isn't like society rewards hard work or any work. Ill be retiring in a few months. (Old joke-from what?)
Yeah, this whole "this company is a family" thing is usually the worst places to work for. We're family, would you ignore a call from your father at 3am?... No, I wouldn't, but my dad would also give me notice if he was kicking me out of the house lol. Give your boss the respect of family by giving them two weeks notice. Has anyone ever been given two weeks notice when they're about to be fired? 🤔
Imagine being lectured and insulted by someone who is so disconnected with modern society that they don't even understand the actual problems at hand...
I'll also add that Dave's profession actually provides no actual value to society. Nothing he does actually moves humanity forward. A barista actually provides more value than Dave because the Barista actually provides a physical service as well as sell a good. Dave on the other hand just spouts garbage that isn't consistent with reality.
In my forties and thankfully I don't have to work a job anymore. However if these companies are so desperate for workers they also need to start treating people right, most treat you like dirt and that's not okay.
@@christopherallen9580 There is no inheritance involved. None of my family has made over 100K a year. If anything I would be the only one leaving any money
If he truly cared he would try to UNDERSTAND why people aren’t working. Key word, UNDERSTAND. He doesn’t give a flying f and that’s EXACTLY why young men aren’t working
True, but the cause is unknown and possibly unknowable. In 1950, 98% of available men were in the workforce and as of the writing of Eberstadts book, 89% were. A graph shows a straight line. Can't blame any specific social or political cause. It looks like every year, a few guys figure out, on their own, how to get by without working.
These guys are delusional. Even if these men get up and work every morning they still won’t be able to survive in many cases due to the high cost of living. So the idea of living on their own is unrealistic.
You can still work and not live on your own. You can live at home and work, or find roommates and work. In the meantime save up and become independent. Easier said than done when you actually put forth effort to make it happen.
With a statement like that, I guarantee you don’t pay an effective tax rate. All the public amenities you consume are paid for by the “rich” you disdain. Btw- they pay their fair share AND invest
Not digging the kicking kids out part. Knew someone who did that and they totally changed because they went feral to survive. It’s a cultural thing to kick kids out. If your kid is working and going to school and helping around the house and paying bills and has a goal, what’s wrong with them staying home? It’s a very cultural thing here, to do that. The extended family structure was certainly abandoned after WW2
I don’t think Dave is saying to kick out the college-aged kid who’s going to school and working and helping around the house and working towards a specific goal. He’s saying to kick out the bum who’s doing NOTHING but mooching and laying around.
@@kii1985 I know it seems pretty crazy but it's true. These men are on strike because the average man no longer has access to women and families. More young men are becoming involuntarily celibate. Women, families, and country used to be major motivators for men to push to become the best version of themselves. These young men are very capable of being as productive as men of the past they just need a reason to be. Society can't milk these men of labor without giving them something in return. Society encourages promiscuity and single motherhood. Society also incentivizes divorces. These things are contrary to what men want out of society. Why would they give their all to a society that doesn't give them what they want? This has already been happening in other parts of the world like Asia with the herbivore men. Those men completely withdrew from society.
@@kii1985 Society likes to blame young men saying it's their problem when in fact it is society that is not providing the structure guidance means or places for young men to develop themselves and thrive.
@@Sara-9865 not one line of my comments mentioned anything about men being owed anything. No one is owed anything. Everyone has to work for what they want in life. What men receive for their hard work in 2023 doesn't justify the hard work. The majority of women in America are no longer wife material so the majority of men adapted to the situation.
I think you guys are totally wrong on this. People don't want to work cuz you don't make any money being wage slaves to corporate America. They're also needs to be more upward opportunity in these jobs as well. I think what a lot of people nowadays are missing is meaning and purpose in their life. The tiny paycheck isn't good enough anymore.
@@superaids5946 no they don’t. Either work or starve. You want to be paid a ridiculous amount of money zero to no effort. Too bad. You aren’t owed a living. Earn it or not, up to you but others aren’t required to pay you what YOU think you deserve. You’re sense of entitlement is astounding.
Lack of a job is more of an existential crisis for men. Additionally, women in the US have a 7% higher workforce participation than the global average. Personally, I live in Mexico and here it is very common for men to work and women to stay home, raise children, and maintain the household. I know many women in the US don’t desire that sort of lifestyle, but the unfortunate reality is that motherhood, let alone full-time motherhood simply isn’t an option for many American families in the 21st century. Between rent and student loans, most women can’t afford to opt out of the workforce to raise the next generation, and that isn’t good for us as a society. Households with an in-home parent consistently raise better children, thus creating a more resilient generation of tax payers. If you want to nitpick and say, well why don’t men be stay at home fathers, I think it only works in a limited number of relationship dynamics. When a woman has to work and her husband stays home to raise the kids, it’s a breeding ground for resentment. For tens of thousands of years our relationship dynamic was that men were the hunters and providers while women were the nurturers. We’re hardwired for that dynamic and to ignore biology for the sake of modern gender equality is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We can strive for equality while still recognizing and respecting the fundamental differences between biological sexes.
Either way, there has been no labor shortage as we now know. These companies can keep doing what they are doing because it is actually far too difficult to find a job currently than it should be. Too many men competing for blue collar work, where as women almost exclusively work white collar and make up 51% of the workforce as of January 2023. So men for office work, are competing with not only other men, but the entirety of the female work force. That forces men into heavily competing with an obscene number of other men for blue collar. It means employers have all the power. They can do whatever the crap they feel like doing (within reason), because it isn't like they can't replace people quickly.
Look american society needs to give men incentives. Men dont need much to live especially if they dont have a family. Men live your life for yourself until others respect and deserve you. Love to see it
Indeed. America made a family out of reach for alot of men. And even if you do get married the laws are set up to totally destroy you if the woman wants to leave. Where is the incentive to help a society that effectively hates you?
@@robertcraft1030 work that pays living wages is the minimum goal!!! I noticed all else being equal lots of excess equals options and lower stress. I learned living with addicts income with almost no expenses is extremely optional.
Yea right, tell me more about that "shortage" please. With my degree in IT, I work in a warehouse, unloading pallets for minimal pay :D Every company around me is owned by Indians which hire Indians overseas -outsourcing and demanding 3-5 years of work experience for entry-level positions. I can see the pain in the eyes of my co-workers and of those that work on the other side of the street. I am just saving money to leave this god forsaken country tbh...
The "shortage" he's talking about is in the service sector, but he makes almost no mention of that. Hard to imagine that grown men with expensive college degrees don't want to flip burgers, right?
Im glad people are being put wise to this. I Saved in America and moved back to my home country in Europe , I hated everything about the country. from abusive treatment at work to the dating culture to the wokeness, It's not the same country my great grandfathers came to for opportunities. I was fortunate enough to save my small nest egg but not after hopping to 30+ jobs.
These guys are too far removed from young men. They have no idea what’s going on right now. Jordan Peterson is on point with this topic. Millionaire summing up the issue as “video games and mommy” isn’t it.
@@kurts6741 Assuming it's an excuse to give others means you think it's a social status thing. You shouldn't assume others live to impress or avoid ridicule from others.
The jobs he's talking about don't pay a livable wage. The wages haven't gone up enough to overtake inflation. Men are becoming complacent as everything in society is geared towards women.
Meanwhile Americas working class struggles with an opioid epidemic. Sure pal just "put your back into it" at the local Walmart and slip a disc. Nothing says confidence like a lifetimes dependency on Oxycontin
The boomerism is strong here. Maybe, just hear me out, there's no incentive for young men to work. The prospect of monogamous healthy relationship is bleak at best. Average women don't want average men so if you can't be exceptional a lot of men have just checked out.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 no, it’s just facts. There is nothing to gain from being a good husband & father, only an 80% chance she files for divorce because “she’s not happy” and then the guy loses everything. Why bother than?
@Ed, all guys are waking up to the red pill. When a 19yo is making 100K on OF showing her goodies, she is not interested in a blue collar guy. She is looking for a baller, the 24/7 party lifestyle.
@@kurts6741 the lead in the water really did a number on you. Wages have stagnated while productivity has went up. Either adapt and pay more or people won’t work for you.
Dave, your generation created this. Men of today can see through the game and are not playing. The purpose of working is to provide for your family, there are no families anymore. No fault divorce (50% of marriage end) robs the man of his children and savings. Single mom raising men are a disaster I agree with you there. Statistics proves simgle mothers are not good parents. Financial speculations driving house prices to a ridiculous level that makes ot very hard for a working man to afford. Well done sir, step off your high horse and look at your creation with pride - get of mens back
These people sacrificed working in these kinds of jobs for their daily needs, for their family. We can't just blame these people to want to work in an environment where they can be appreciated and well-compensated.
True, sacrifising for your own family gives the motivation. Now, alot more men don't have families. So, he only has to worry about his own survival, and can think about if he wants to do a certain job for his own lifelyhood or not. Dave Ramsey is totally in the wrong. To say to a single, to the childless men, that they should do a many hours of certain hard labour jobs. While they don't need that extra money for themselfes, and they are more happy with a less demanding job or less hours type of work.
It is hard, but we must all respect each other for everyone is made in the image of God and show appreciation for everyone. Who knows what this country would be like without men who clean sceptic tanks, drive garbage trucks, and work in the sewers?
Plot Twist: What if the men they are “calling out” are actually the ones who learned to live smaller, be debt free, save money and are living the debt free dream…..because they did the baby steps and now get to LIVE like no one else. 😁
Well, then these boomers would throw around the "you're not a REAL man" card because you're not willing to be sacrificed on the altar of marriage, to be used and chewed up by both women and the State, and because you actually value your own safety and security when "clearly" you shouldn't.
Decades and decades of men being treated like slaves in the workplace. I don’t blame any of these men for not wanting too work for peanuts while certain workers get everything given to them.
The men who work the hardest are the ones who get exploited instead of rewarded. Young men have realized this and opted out of even working hard anymore.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 Then why listen to Boomers? Over 40% haven't even started saving for retirement. Of those who have saved, nearly 40% have less than $100k. Their advice is trash.
@@bobbobbington3615 it is normal for children to strike out at thier elders and reject the teachings the previous generation passes down. Well for unsuccessful people I mean. The rest of us grow up.
If these jobs offered a higher salary, more people would enter/reenter the workforce but I also believe some people have been so beaten down that even if salaries doubled they’d still not try.
The average salary needs (ballpark figure) to be at least $25 hourly. The cost of living has basically doubled where I live since 2019, you can't expect people to work for 1980 wages while paying 2022 prices.
I think it's more that they have downscaled their lifestyle to the level of college poverty (or not much higher), and don't see the point of trading in hours just to have a higher lifestyle - and this is especially true with housing, which requires 30 years of stable income. Who thinks xer job is stable?
Coming from a guy that has a net worth of 200 million dollars. This dude is out of touch with reality when it comes to the average American working two jobs and still barely making rent and covering basic necessities. We just need to work harder and maybe we can afford a decent house!
I have bad anxiety, but being in the position where I have to work has helped me immensely. No one can take care of me like me. I can't imagine knowing everyday that someone else can decide whether I eat that day. That's scarier than anything my anxious mind can think of.
Work has at times been a struggle. If I got enough pity and stopped work I would not have kept trying. I am proud of having has a successful and rewarding career. I've known people who got encouraged to act crippled and grew to see themselves a a cripple and became crippled and gave up.
When you take away the main incentive men ever had to work which was owning a home and raising a family, why are you shocked when we no longer have the drive to work?
Wth?! There's other men who actually are happy being a single man and just concerned about his career. Men don't need a wife and family. No one really does. Being independent and following your dreams in your career, will get you farther in your career. you don't have to consider and bargain moving and traveling for work. You can get up and go. Marriage should be after all that if you want to
"Throwing your kids out" is such an American thing. In most other cultures it's perfectly normal to live with your parents/kids/other family members and they do just fine. We have to start normalizing living with family and not just "throwing kids out" so they can "learn". You can have both. We don't live in a "this or that" world. Lots of asian, african american, and even european cultures do this just fine.
You entirely miss the point... those other cultures aren't letting their kids sit in the basement and play video games all day. Living with family is fine if everyone is pulling their weight and not being lazy, unproductive bums.
In the cultures that do that the children and the parents are so poor they can't afford live on their own. If you find a middle class or wealthy family in that culture they all live independently apart from each other.
Love listening to Dave. But honestly he has been sheltered from reality for decades. It is very hard to get welfare and it is very stingy. I doubt many people choose that as a career choice. Many people are working and living with mom because the wages and rent have gotten so out of sync. A lot of them have mental illness but no help from anyplace. If they had help many would be able to work. And as some have said in comments many are working underground to avoid taxes or working illicit occupations.
Actually it’s not that hard to jump on the welfare train. It’s actually passed from generation to generation if you want to know the truth. Why do you think these people have 10 kids? It’s a business to use the system and get basically free housing, food stamps, and free healthcare. I just think this new generation of workers are entitled little babies that cry every chance they get when things don’t turn out the way they thought it would.
Very true. Some young men are trying, but can only do so much. Everyone has an opinion nowadays about what we should be doing and about where we should be at this point in our lives, however its not that easy. Us young men are trying the best we can and see that some things that people like Dave expects of us just won't come to fruition no matter what us young men do. It is completely out of our control.
@@thystaff742 Why do people act like welfare is even a lot or enough to live on? It's basically pennies compared to rent nowadays. And you have to actively be looking for a job to get on it.
Latchkey kid here and had tons of responsibilities growing up and did college and worked for years and then quit because it wasn’t worth the low pay and I make more money with investments than working 40-60 hours a week. So I volunteer my time because it’s more fulfilling and impactful.
@@sweetiespoon5150 if a business REALLY needed a position to be filled, they'd take someone who has some experience and train them up instead of trying to find the perfect candidate. Businesses aren't willing to train people anymore, they want someone else to do it
Worked hard in my 20's. Made little money and paid lots in taxes. Got a bad back and knee out of it. Now I cut hair, work on cars and do HVAC all on the side. Probably retire soon cheers!
@@ashermorris1139 If you're still going to be broke, why be broke working 60 hours a week for an abusive employer? Yes, I get what you're saying, but the reality is hard-working men are (almost) as poor as the bums. It should tell you something is seriously wrong with the pay on these jobs!
Working class people have grit and they are sick of working for pennies. While rich people sit around and do very little but then think they earned everything.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 i don't want to hear that nonsense about being happy with the pennies i have because other people have it worse. i want the life that my grandfather had, where a man could work ONE job, buy a modest home before the age of 30, and didn't have to worry about his job being outsourced. society isn't giving us that, so, as far as i'm concerned, it can all burn flat to the ground. let Dave and Ken and all the other greedy employers find their wage slaves somewhere else.
Working remotely has helped so many people be focused incredibly productive and able to maintain good family and community relationships. Meanwhile, beastly expensive commutes, urban violence and squalor, and illness going around have made a commute very hellish and even foolish. There has to be flexibility in the workplace.
Dave and Ken are drastically out of touch on this one. They really have no clue what the great resignation is or how scummy employers are and are half the reason we are in this mess. Shame on both of you for not digging deeper.
Yeah i usually disagree when people say they are out of touch, but in this one I agree. I’m 28. A millennial. And the workload has increased on a lot of jobs since they had to reduce staff. Or, they have new staff that can’t do the work of experienced people. That means the ones who tough it out, get burned out. They leave and perhaps stay with family or friends. I mean who wants to get abused at work?
Beats a coal mine like my grandpa suffered through. He did it anyways because he loved his family and paved the way for me to become and engineer and my brother a doctor. Don’t forsake your legacy because you have to work hard. Rethink your attitude.
@Bryce Ables I don't care what your grandpa did. We've heard the stories 1000 times now and are either sick of them or don't believe or they simply aren't relevant. The stimmy checks and participation trophies aren't to blame. Employers have the money but don't want to properly pay and treat those who work for them with respect. Many strong men have chosen to work for themselves under the table and live on very little to keep their sanity. Now people are whining that the slaves don't want to be slaves in a free country.
These moralistic screeds are almost quaint at this point: the basic job going unfilled might almost cover the cost of operating the vehicle that gets you to and from it, never mind rent or food. Ramsey talks as if there's still some sort of basic social contract in this country, when in fact nothing of the kind exists: employers pay a non-living wage and have minimal concern or investment in their workers, small surprise if workers respond in kind. Just to note, I've worked my entire life, so spare me the sermon on the nobility of work here in 2022 America. Work hard, get nowhere. Take a look out the window sometime Ramsey.
I'll add that the ACA health coverage (i.e., "ObamaCare"), while finally giving folks the missing link for their welfare, has some very powerful disincentives for earning an income. At my age, fully paying for an ACA plan, with the expected out-of-pocket, would cost $20K/yr! Starting from having an income of $18K, the maximum income to qualify for the Medicaid expansion, I would need to earn another $32K as 1099 just to have the after-taxes income be barely enough to cover that $20K - and oh, if I am making that income, I need a more reliable car than my current 20 year old clunker, so that's another $13K in pre-tax income to have the after-tax income to pay the new car note and the comprehensive/collision insurance, something I don't have to be concerned with now because my car has a wholesale value of about $500, LOL. So I would need to nominally earn $45K more just to tread water; yes, I'll choose playing Rock Band on my vintage Xbox360.
We now have uber, door dash, lyft, insta cart, Walmart spark, ebay resale etc. This is the type of work younger people are doing. Independent contractor and make their own hours. I know of a guy that does gig work full-time and makes two thousand dollar's a week.
@@alexlechef2 what would you call it then? They set their own hours, they choose which orders to take or reject, and they get a 1099. That's an independent contractor.
"You mommies need to throw your 25 year old son out..." No Dave! It is the fathers that need to step up and actually be fathers! You have a whole generation of fathers (baby boomers) that didn't want to be bothered with actually raising their sons.
@aidanmurray7319 I didn't say there wasn't an economic component. To be fair it's both-and so much more. My point (poorly made) is that Dave Ramsey does not have a good grasp on reality. We have a whole generation that was thrown into an awful economic situation and they were not taught to have any kind of tenacity-which is usually (though certainly not exclusively) taught by fathers. These young men were screwed on many levels. They were screwed economically, also by not having fathers around, also by radical 3rd wave feminism, by an educational system that didn't teach them real-world skills that employers truly need. This is an economic, political, social and family situation. These men need help. Baby boomers are blaming their sons for the situation that they (the baby boomers) created. Every time men have problems, they are simply yelled at, whenever women have problems, there are committees assembled, round table discussions and even laws passed. When men have problems nobody cares.
All of the baby boomer males that were in power help remove the father from the home. This has created a generation of mamas boys, who see what their uncles in fathers of went through that don’t want to participate. This is correctable and we can do it.
If you can’t pay rent with those restaurant jobs, why work? If you’re told doing traditionally masculine things is toxic, why work hard and be a provider?
I would say that restaurant jobs aren't really meant for adults that you're supposed to invest in yourself and be more than a person working in a restaurant job by the time you're an adult. If you are an adult working in a restaurant then you've made some poor decisions in your life if you're not the the chef or the one who owns the restaurant
@@chipsnotchunks2620just because someone else is successful doesn’t mean someone else isn’t. Stop making excuses because you’re lazy. Look into what successful people have had to do to become successful, it’s not sitting home whining about how much money you don’t make. Go to work and give the actual adults working and paying taxes a break from your entitled bs.
Wages haven't kept up with cost of living. Employers have enjoyed low wages for a while, now the tide is turning. People on low end jobs will be automated out, everyone else will demand higher wages. Love how Dave trashes males in particularly maybe there's nothing in it for them.
We all should become 1099 workers. Instead of paying my boss $200 per hour, and he pays me $20 per hour, you can just pay me $180 per hour and get rid of the middle man.
Dave I hate to take a contrary point of view here but speaking as a someone who does work the colleges and feminism in particular has ostracized men and I think that would be a interesting thing to look into the decline of the nuclear family unit and how this has left certain people rudderless
The apathy of men online is disturbing. Sorry your mothers didn’t give you all enough hugs, but a man works to at the bare minimum not be a burden on other men, like a child.
@@iamcosma7065 Do you shame women who don't comply too? Men are depicted as the oppressor in media constantly. No one wants to play a game if success only makes you the villain of the story.
Nobody should take advice about hard physical labor from financial advisors who sit on their butts in an air conditioned office, giving their opinion for a living, and who are 20+ lbs overweight.
Hyperinflation is not caused by money printing. It is caused by lack of price regulation and businesses greed. Besides, who gets the printed money first and who controls it? Banks and bonds certificate dealers and wheelers. The poor get assistance and quickly spend it on necessities. Money goes back to the wealthy. There should be tax penalties on big businesses for raising prices on consumers, and consumers should stop consuming but for the very basic necessities.
Men will only accomplish as much as necessary to attract women, and having jobs is no longer a requirement for that, social status is more important than financial achievement
What you describe are boys not men, they continue to put it on a pedestal because they dont have any other self worth outside of validation from women. They are no better. It is when a man has already been through it that they realize pursuing their financial future goes far beyond that and takes years/decades. These are all aimless boys being talked about
I’ve applied for tons of jobs when employers were “desperate” it’s always “yOu dOn’T hAvE eXpErIeNcE!” I work now but still I don’t think it’s as easy as “jUsT gEt A jOb!”
Seriously, employers say there's a shortage, but they've had decades of having hundreds of applicants that now that they might have only a few dozen good choices but they might need some training, they think that means there's a shortage.
He's got a better idea than 99% of Americans. Building a company requires a LOT more than just office work. By the way, people only do physical labour because they don't have the brainpower to handle thinking. @@Theonewhowonders92
People aren't refusing to work.
They're refusing to work for dogshit wages, zero benefits, insane hours and career dead end jobs. They should refuse to work under those conditions and business models and economies that depend on them should fail.
Incorrect. Increase the wages and they will STILL refuse to work.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 We need revolution in US
And for supervisors trained in psychological warfare.
It's true. That's why I'm in remote tech now. I can actually BE with my family now rather than barely see them and be tired and grumpy all the time. Plus, I get paid a livable wage. The horror! Lol
@@monkemonkerson5620 What's wrong with being grumpy?
Society let men down and now they're returning the favor.
More like society progressed and SOME men didn't want to progress with it, so they went back to acting like boys since getting the long end of the privilege stick in life was no longer a birthright.
Other men, DID adapt, did keep grinding, did keep sacrificing, did what they had to do because the alternative was wholly unacceptable.
You won't find these men sulking on social media or brooding with other losers on redpill forums. They're much too busy 'doing' to be complaining about it.
I agree.
@@scarpfish well either way society got what they have pushed for so long. If men stop working society crumbles. Give men what they want
@@kirylspence1190 Naaaaaa, let the strong independent women do it.
All they need to do next is have all S&P 500 CEO males to step down. Too many rules in the office. Can't work without shoulder surfing, everyone's hating. Too much woke. I think the males are sick of it honestly.
In the 90s , I was a full-time employee at Sears and got paid enough to pay my rent, buy a car, and go to Bahamas every 6 months.
Now I can't pay my rent with a damn engineer job!!
where are you working? I used to work at Wal-Mart part time, paid rent for a small room, had a shit car, and barely limped by. That was 15-20 years ago. I am a software engineer and have a 15 year mortgage on a 2000 sq foot home and own a decent car. I easily have $1000+ extra per month and I probably spend too much on my wife and kids per month. The 90s sounds amazing for work but I was a kid lol
yeah im calling BS, maybe you can’t afford your rent because you’ve been going to the bahamas every 6 months since the 90s
I believe you. About 10 years ago, so 2014, they sold a small house across the street from me for 27k. Last year, an almost identical house less than a block away sold for 100k. Same size yard, everything. Seems a big mark up. My math tells me most wage earners won't even be able to make a down payment on a house.
@seanutarbuckle6457 no, i’m calling bs on this narrative that this person lived the high life with a retail job in the 90s and now can’t pay rent with an “engineer job.” either they are living ridiculously above their means and always have been, or they are lying
You're still renting after 24 years of work? 🤣😂
"The wages has gone up tremendously " .
Yeah that's why unlike boomers no millennials can afford a a home anymore .
Do these guys live in real world ?
Actually, they don't even seem able to read their own graph. Percentage of men in the labor force has been declining every year since at least 1950. Graph is pretty much a straight line.
It looks like people just found out, a few at a time, how to get by without working and little by little, more and more of them did it.
The govt doesn't know how these guys do it and the men really have nothing to gain by telling them.
I'm reminded of a line from the movie Goodfellas: the regular people, the normals, working for a living, there was nothing wrong with them, they were just stupid.
No, they don't.
That's why I moved to another country.
I knew twenty years ago I wouldn't be able to pay back my student loans
I graduated with 67000 USD
I got it down to 20000.
Now I just have to pay it off in fourteen months.
Finally, after I pay that off, I can save
Serious when people find out a man doesint work they lose mind trying to find out how he survives knowing we all slaves then vote
@@StuJones-gn7te So what do you do?
The problem is, people feel the work/reward ratio is complete garbage. Spending 40-80 hrs a week to barely survive at a job that 30 years ago would provide a livable wage is what’s causing a lot of this imo. Ppl are looking for other ways to survive now.
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This is partially it.
@@Michael-ke8on What's the other part?
@@mechanicalrev That might be most of it but numbers and buying power are very important. Dave saids income is the most important wealth building tool so….
You been watching SWP
Jobs don't reward loyalty in today's America. The days of being loyal to a job for years and years are OVER. You ONLY move up by moving out
Worse than that. They see loyalty as a sign of weakness to be exploited, and have greater contempt for you.
@@kenofken9458 100% true.
Yep. Just happened at my work. They literally proclaimed that they promote from within the company at a meeting just after they hired people off the street in management positions who know nothing about the job. That just tells me I need to find another employer where I can start off in higher position.
@@thystaff742 You are literally talking about the company where I am working. The difference is that they hired their friends in the management positions. While my bonuses got degraded
@@kenofken9458 yup
Employers treat people like dirt. Pay is terrible. Cost of living is too high.
It's the employers.
Totally, they make people feel worthless.😊
Then go work for someone else. You have the power to choose.
Not to mention how all these employers are singularly focused on making the job searching process as horrible as possible for everyone except their little nepotism cases or diversity hires. I've been working fulltime for most of my adult life (I've put in more OT with each passing year and I ask myself why) and I honestly don't blame other guys for deciding that they want no part of this garbage. Shame its just a paltry 7 million.
(also, if anyone is thinking of giving me a youtube comments peptalk about "hurr durr networking", save it. Better yet, go blow it out your ass.)
@@patriot925Cool.... where?
Yep . The more management experts is directly proportional to the number of deadshit bosses. Says it all.
I've worked in the hospitality industry. Employers treat you like you are disposable. I don't blame people for avoiding these jobs. Use it as a stepping stone and move on as soon as you can!
Everybody is disposable in our society.
@@brianparrett114 true but you're not always treated that way.
Min wage doesnt pay rent in America
I agree
@@mrdeebo313 I know but good fair employers tend to be the exception not the norm.
There’s no shortage of labor. There’s a shortage of corporations paying good salaries. If you have a STEM degree, You can make more money as independent contractor or starting a business
You can make more money driving Uber , compared to what some corporation will pay.
I have an engineering degree and I work for myself. Companies don’t want to pay anything.
@@topnotchtx come on.. fast food joints are paying 18-25 an hour for unskilled zombies to come in and help
@@TomDavisVideo they pay more but they don’t work that many hours though.
Need a minimum of 3-5 years experience for an entry level position
I worked 60+ hours a week for 20 years made way above the average wage and still could only afford to live a tiny apartment so I quit that and refuse to work like that anymore. I'm nit surprised so many people are quitting work.
You live in the city?
So what do you do for a living now? And, why not move?
@@rebeccalindley153 I build test rigs for a robotics company. I did move I moved from London to San fransico, most good jobs are in expensive areas weirdly.
@@IHIuddy just outside it
@@elducces I’d move to rural area a lot less expensive to live. Job are a many
When I entered the work force in the 90's my entry level job paid $15 an hour.
Guess how much most blue collar jobs pay today? Exactly the same $15 an hour!
Yet houses and everything else costs 5x what it did back then.
This is not sustainable.
I miss the 90s
No one talks about how there is no rhyme or reason in how jobs pay now. Someone hauling logs or doing similar dangerous work makes the same or a few dollars more than a cashier now.
@@johnran6015 It's because the logging companies are cheap and screwing people over, that's the reason. I have no problem with a cashier making the same wage as a logger, but it's up to the industry to pay accordingly if they want the labour. Flipping burgers should pay a livable wage as much as hauling whatever does, hold the companies accountable
Yup... spot on. Definitely another piece of the puzzle.
Exactly.
What welfare program let's any male between 20 and 40 just sit home? Imagine watching Dave work a 12 hr manual labor job, his back story would indicate he's never worked a physical job in his life.
That’s what I always ask when you see stories or rants like this. Unemployment isn’t forever. You can’t just go and get welfare. So these folks must be doing something for money
@@jasonweppelman3318 Not literally anybody can get on welfare but a lot are able to if they are considered to have some sort of disability. It’s one part of the problem, not the whole thing. Like they were saying, for others it’s family and friends they rely on.
@@TheMahonj yeah, they have a disability. your expectations should change.
People are beginning to realize that working full time costs you more than it’s worth. Spending all day commuting, working a job with zero dignity, then grabbing some fast food and prepping to go back to work is a suckers game. I just heard a stripper say that she used to work retail sales but she gets more respect as a stripper. It’s not the parents, it’s the employers.
Apocryphal. People need to shake the dust off and go work proper and respecting jobs while honoring the body the Lord has given them. The only person to blame is the one looking into the mirror.
What else is there to do but to work. Iam out for sixty a week.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a stripper as long as she is doing the work willingly. People with moral objections don't need to go to her place of work.
@@billybeemus3929 Greetings and may the Lord send His blessings.
Question: Are you saying there is nothing absolutely objectively wrong with what she is doing? If so, how do you ground that?
Dude I’m not surprised. Working at a restaurant and we’re super nice to folks (we close on Sunday’s if that’s any hint) and even then guests are rude and get so upset with us. Had a woman toss HOT soup back to a worker because she was unhappy with service. Some people get off on treating restaurant workers like trash. Had another lady call the store and actually show up because she wanted to fight someone she was upset with.
Seriously, what part of fighting a nice worker is satisfying to someone??
The girl who got the soup thrown at her quit. 😔
Men don’t want to work in an environment where women get promoted over them purely for being a woman to fill a quota. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION is also to blame.
Don't forget men will get fired based on the word of a woman too. Several companies had to endure a bunch of bs cause of affirmative action and women getting special protections in the workplace. Men don't want to put up with that.
Aw what’s a matter? You sad you have to compete and prove your worth?
@IAmCosma Nothing wrong with competing in a FAIR environment where the best candidate gets the job. I have no issue taking a loss cause it makes me look into why they chose that person over me. However, with affirmative action and gender quotas, we are seeing people get the job not based on their skills but what's between their legs. I've seen several men get denied and the less qualified person get chosen based on this.
@@iamcosma7065 please explain how affirmative action is fair competition🤔
@@Koolasuchus8 😂😂😂
It’s not really a “shortage of labor.” Inflation has occurred. The wages being offered are below the American going rate. They aren’t genuine “American jobs” unless the wage is sufficient to attract American applicants. So, no. These aren’t real jobs.
the tech sector imports third world labor via H1-B Visas.
I'm 25 and work a full time job but also live at home with parents. Unfortunately we aren't in 2006 anymore where the price of a house has surpassed the wage growth, so we are forced to stay at home longer to save more for it
Stay you will be far ahead of most by 30!
It's nothing wrong with that you're working and providing for yourself. You're doing great
my son saved enough for car and down payment being at home. Wasn't a slouch, worked, helped out, nothing wrong with it but you have to know your kid
Thats not really true. Kids Today think they have to have a house nicer than there parents. Buy a starter home.
@@butchthurman4685 my kids is 1300 sq ft. People say oh a starter home and he’s like “ no my home”
My dignity did not go up working at Kroger😂
You been watching SWP
It's the disrespectful things calling themselves customers or even human
I respect you the same. Dave is lost in time. Must be due to malnutrition given the beans & rice approach to wealth. He's also part of the generation that hasn't solved squat in the larger economic melee.
Mine did! Kroger was my first job at 16. Learned to listen to instruction, to be on time, to finish a task, to be responsible. And earned my own $$$$!
@@mikefannon6994 that was my first job at 21 10 years ago and it was ass. The 4 years I worked there felt like 30 years. Honestly 99.9 of these jobs are ass no one wants to admit it. God finally got involved 1 year after college and blessed me with a good job that didn’t drain my soul in November of 2020.
And I say to Dave and employers...pay people a decent living wage. Men used to be able to easily find jobs that paid them enough to afford their own home and provide for a family, plus they'd get a pension. Gone are those days. Many men who work hard now will have less to show for it then their prior generations. Simply making insults will never fix this labor shortage. Better pay and benefits will.
Middle Class in 1980 = Rich in 2023. Watching any sitcom set before 1980 is painful, we're getting paid 1980 wages while paying 2022 prices.
If that was true, u could start a company an pay higher than the competitors and make bank, because u would get all the good workers.
Doctor, Nurse, Lawyer, Scientist, Engineer, Automation Technician, Electrician & hundreds of other professions pay way, way more than a living wage. ....And your excuse for not going out an conquering the world is???
Those professions also require hundreds of thousands to enter.
@@motoarzan791 genius if most guys went those routes wages would stagnant based on workers increasing.
This guy is living in the past and would be singing a different tune if he was apart of that demographic. The real question is "why work?" Before it was to start and raise a family. The traditional family has broken and is gone. Continuing to shame them is only making things worse. People like this just dont seem to grasp that.
Yeah, if elderly people keep shaming us, then maybe we will not take care of them in old age. Why respect your elders when they do not respect you?
@@evilds3261He talking about the elders paying for the kids to enable them not to work though.
Being a parent is not easy at all. It's one of the hardest things one can do while working to support the family. Unfortunately, some children do not see this.
We also find ourselves in a world that is so easy to be entertained. All we need is a phone.. Maybe a TV and console... Or a computer.. And a streaming device to watch endless content. We can immerse ourselves in escape at any time we want. It's very easy to be lured by virtual drugs like that that offer easy dopamine hits... And the possibilities are so endless, that we never have to leave fantasy land... Oh yeah.. And don't forget the access to all the free pornography.
Meanwhile, their is a virtual assault on the family unit, marriage, pride as a nation, work itself, while replacing these things with the state, plus race and success shaming (which is also an assault on mental health), all putting the future in limbo.
So much seems so worthless...
If socialism is around the corner, why work? We have people literally saying all the time, "why work to justify our existence?" Since the dawn of time, we had to work to eat... But I suppose we can stay online and keep arguing politically.
Of course it isn't easy. A single family member can't easily sustain a family anymore, while providing transportation, higher education, and paying off a mortgage..
We find ourselves in interesting times.
If children won't take care of their parents because their parents took the toys away to help them, we have a huge problem.
Admittedly, the parents may have lived in a different world than you today which can cause a disconnect of understanding, but will the youth of today be able to reverse the trend with future gebrations? Or will they just not want to have children because they can't count in their children loving them back and taking care of them either?
Perhaps we are due for population collapse?
Understood, my question is why are these young men not motivated to work so that they can have a good life for themselves alone? Do young man only want to survive if other people need them to do things? Why is there no internal self-worth? It seems strange
@@Razzledazzle111 It's been done a certain way for thousands of years. If there is no future and you can get instant gratification for little, it's easier to just please the senses in the easiest way possible.
The relationship dynamics have changed too. It's easy for a male to feel they are not needed... Or wanted.. By what they see online.
Idk... Doing everything for oneself without anyone to share it with seems kind of like a dead end to me. Combine that with there being no God and no afterlife... I can see why many just don't care... Existence can become kind of pointless.
@@Razzledazzle111Or maybe there are not enough good-paying jobs that can help them to make a profit needed for independence and self-worth?
I like Dave. But he has lost a lot of the relatability.
He has no idea how bad it is to work for nothing.
Factsssss
Dave is oblivious
He's a rich boomer. Of course he isn't relatable. When he was young, a man could support an entire family and buy a home on a working class income. Now, a working class income is just enough to keep a man alive to go to work again the next day.
Those jobs are out there it's the fact that men are "quiet quitting" and lacking ambition to climb the ladder. There is also a massive skills gap now as well, there is more trained vets retiring than there is people replacing these guys. That is why wages ,in particular manufacturing, have gone up these past two years due to lack of skill labor. I also would like to point out that because of social media ,and other reasons, everyone seems to have a mindset of not caring enough about budgeting and living within their means.
Why not just live in the woods and hunt for your food if you just work to live
These guys dont know what real work looks like in America and how little you get paid for it
@@bigmike9546 there are lots of people who work multiple jobs and went bankrupt but who didn't make it.
Bullseye.
You don't start at the top, you work a lower paid job to get experience to get a better job, maybe learn a skill along the way, work your way up to your own business, it does not happen over night. Don't say can't, just say won't.
@@Official-Comments really?? I was making $$$ and enjoyed what I was doing during the Reagan and Bush years. Even during during the Clinton years. What industry are you talking about?
@@joeyboedeker2047 Short term profits at a long term loss.
I’d bet a significant % of the people “not working” are actually working under the table or doing something illicit for money.
Yup to collect benefits on top. Dont hate the player. Hate the game
These old bozos have no idea that gig apps are taking over millions of jobs. Most younger people are working uber, door dash, insta cart, Walmart spark, ebay resale etc. Independent contractor and you work anytime you want. That's what alot of kids are doing. Oh, and you tube content creator 🤣
at least they're working, right?
@@beatdown3361 in that scenario it is perfectly fine to hate the player. Unless your suggestion is to get rid of social safety nets and allow people to starve.
Self employed, 1099 gig workers.
I work under the table so technically I'm unemployed. I refuse to pay taxes because I want this society to collapse.
based
I'm all with you , been doing it for 40 years
Yeah and then what?
@@IHIuddy ???? He can focus on himself and not building up things for people who think he is expendable
@@IHIuddy The best part; we watch it burn! 😄🔥 🎶Sennnnd in the clowns! 🎶 🤡
I like Dave Ramsey but he is trying to have it both ways. In a recent video Dave talks about how he as a Christian cannot pay people a living wage to take care of their family if he cannot justify paying that amount. I got news for you Dave, job seekers can do the same. They have the option not to accept a job that does not pay them enough.
Dave isn’t the expert people think he is. He’s just a loud mouth with opinions. Mostly based on outdated Christian values.
Bless your heart
Lord bless it. You told him.
Refusing to go to work is their option? It must be nice to be wealthy enough to not work.
@@rebeccalindley153 They can work or not work, it's THEIR right..
Maybe the 7m are now millionaires after following Dave's advice for 30 years 🎉😂
Hahaha
A million in debt yes
What? I think you are one of them not willing to work lol.
@@pepegomez6192 why work if you are already a millionaire 💪🏼
Most People in my area are super wealthy and don’t have to work. I work because I have to support my family.
Oh look...more boomers are scared their pension payments will not come through...
🤦♀️ What does that have to do with todays men not getting up off their butts to work?
People who receive pensions and retirement payments earned it for working and paying into it for 35-45 years.
@@tallycahamuhlhetru26 waah i want my men to be paying taxes waah
@@tallycahamuhlhetru26 thats their problem not young men
@@tallycahamuhlhetru26 Yeah and we won't get one. Boomers didn't earn crap they got luck being born right after WW2
Oh well who cares we are losing everything against our will we can’t even get a job I’ve applied all year long. They spouting bs here
I don't condone kicking kids out unless you've given them the tools to be adults. But lets be honest, a-lot of parents have a co-dependency relationship with their kids anyway. The weakening of a society honestly.
It’s only an American thing really to throw your parents in a nursing home when there old. For other cultures it is seen as wealthy and honorable to be able to take care of our elderly m
Look at Dave Ramsey paying six figures salaries to his kids isn't that codependency
@@intermix2580 In other cultures there is also an extended family structure in place to make sure the burden of caring for elders is spread amongst multiple people to ensure no one person is overwhelmed, and that family members who want or need to work can do so.
Americans abandoned this model after WW2 in favor of the nuclear family model, which we arrogantly think is more evolved. It provides no resiliency when dealing with elder care and poor resiliency when dealing with child care. Either someone has to drop out of the workforce (usually the woman) to take care of someone who needs round the clock care, or if it can be afforded, having that care outsourced to professionals while the adults continue to work. Two thirds of elder caregiving is the former, and for their noble sacrifice, these folks get their Social Security income negatively impacted for all that time "not working".
Its not that Americans want to throw their elders into nursing homes. Its because they have to due to that extended family safety net not being there. Please stop acting like these facilities are dumping grounds for abandoned old folks.
@@joesabah6199 And they'd be nowhere close to where they are now if they weren't GIVEN everything. At least he could not be a hypocrite and admit to nepotism.
Indian, Chinese and Jewish families keep their kids at home until they're married. These races have more productive children too. They're known to end up in ivy league schools, high earners and have better lifestyles.
Dave, it's not a lack of wanting to work. It's a lack of compensation.
This 110%, also bad managers who expect you do $30 of work for $20 an hour.
@@Lonovavir try 14 dollars an hour bro 21000 dollars after taxes bruhhhhhhhhhh
That makes no sense
@@PInk77W1 If you don't understand what he said, you've never had a job.
@@quigglyz
I understand what he said and it makes no sense
Being a model citizen and working your own life is overrated. I worked hard my whole life, sometimes, without even taking a vacation. But now that I am retired I am still paying a lot of taxes of my pension and social security ( my retirement money). I don’t blame anyone if they don’t want to work because you are going to pay taxes on your retirement money until you drop dead.
I'm sorry you had to find out the truth so late in your life.
My wife and I have pension and social security, each
We're not paying a lot of taxes.
Based. Being a wageslave is not a source of pride. I say that as a current wageslave, but I'm not going above and beyond to break my back for a multi national corporation lol.
I did that stuff off and on. But I stopped working in 2006, even though I was only 44. Why bother? It isn't like society rewards hard work or any work. Ill be retiring in a few months. (Old joke-from what?)
They want jobs like you have, sit down and drink coffee all day.
I love hearing all the people with cushy desk jobs tell other people they should work low-paying serf jobs that serve people like them.
@@TimErwin I always thought it should be the reverse where the manual labor jobs get paid the most and the desk jobs get paid the least.
Lol 😂 exactly
I’m sure both of these men worked hard during their lives so they could have the cushy desk job.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Now that's some serious shade.
Call me weird but I have never felt "a sense of belonging" at any job
Yea even at some small business jobs I used to work at, I never got the sense of belonging there.
That’s ok and normal. But understand, you may not have found a job or career that utilizes your personal gifts and abilities.
Yeah, this whole "this company is a family" thing is usually the worst places to work for. We're family, would you ignore a call from your father at 3am?... No, I wouldn't, but my dad would also give me notice if he was kicking me out of the house lol. Give your boss the respect of family by giving them two weeks notice. Has anyone ever been given two weeks notice when they're about to be fired? 🤔
Maybe you're not a people person.
@@swartzofcourse I threw up in my mouth reading that.
Imagine being lectured and insulted by someone who is so disconnected with modern society that they don't even understand the actual problems at hand...
I'll also add that Dave's profession actually provides no actual value to society. Nothing he does actually moves humanity forward. A barista actually provides more value than Dave because the Barista actually provides a physical service as well as sell a good. Dave on the other hand just spouts garbage that isn't consistent with reality.
So what's the problem.
Is he lecturing you?
Wahh you failed as a man 😢🤣😭 tough love baby
@@Sara-9865 😁
In my forties and thankfully I don't have to work a job anymore. However if these companies are so desperate for workers they also need to start treating people right, most treat you like dirt and that's not okay.
Getting the humble bragging in. Inheritance is a miracle.
@@christopherallen9580 There is no inheritance involved. None of my family has made over 100K a year. If anything I would be the only one leaving any money
Lottery win huh?
@@christopherallen9580 I'm guessing some kind of insurance and disability fraud.
@@matthewgardner2144 some people are just more organized, know what they want and spend less than they earn.
Society abandoned men long before men abandoned society.
There is another reason: people have left incredibly stressful jobs where they have copped abuse daily both from their customers and toxic managers
Hang in there until you can find something better.
Boo Hoo.
No one should have to work for people like that.
They don’t know real stress . I’m glad I’m in construction don’t have to deal with office sissies .
@@garysavala665 Most offices are hen houses.
Why does Dave never talk about how fathers have been removed from the households? How convenient, easier to just kick people why they are down.
Easy to say when you're unknowingly raising another's man's kid.
because he is one of gods chosen people you know funny hat and everything if he did talk about it it would implicate them.
In many cases they chose to leave.
Removed or voluntarily left? Dave is a financial advisor. Not a counselor.
If he truly cared he would try to UNDERSTAND why people aren’t working. Key word, UNDERSTAND. He doesn’t give a flying f and that’s EXACTLY why young men aren’t working
When he was growing up, jobs were more secure. Today, it’s different. If this many people are doing this, it’s not out of thin air.
Employers want loyalty but do not reciprocate.
True, but the cause is unknown and possibly unknowable. In 1950, 98% of available men were in the workforce and as of the writing of Eberstadts book, 89% were. A graph shows a straight line.
Can't blame any specific social or political cause.
It looks like every year, a few guys figure out, on their own, how to get by without working.
These guys are delusional. Even if these men get up and work every morning they still won’t be able to survive in many cases due to the high cost of living. So the idea of living on their own is unrealistic.
You can still work and not live on your own. You can live at home and work, or find roommates and work. In the meantime save up and become independent. Easier said than done when you actually put forth effort to make it happen.
Saying “living in your own is unrealistic” is more delusional than anything these two are saying haha
I have lived on my own for 12 years.
@@SeansModelBuilds Perhaps, but STARTING OUT NOW, if a very different environment for these kids and you know it. So, shove it.
@@treycouch7098 Cute projection.
A rich man wont invest if he has to pay his fair share of taxes, but a poor man is expected to work for unlivable wages.
No, a rich man will invest regardless, and a poor man will blow what little he saves on Saturday night. That's why you're poor and they're rich.
@@rayr6278 more complex than that. In my experience the poor are poor for lots of reasons!!
With a statement like that, I guarantee you don’t pay an effective tax rate. All the public amenities you consume are paid for by the “rich” you disdain. Btw- they pay their fair share AND invest
@@rayr6278 rich people don't work.
more taxes? lololol, sure, that'll help.
Glad to hear all the women in society are perfect... 🙄
Yeah, they're so great that men are just lining up to get with them, get exploited, and left for someone else.
Weird how he didn't talk about daughters not going out and working?
Thanks 😊
@@thystaff742 Aww you going to cry 😢
@@missandry2669 No, but guys like Ramsey are.
Not digging the kicking kids out part.
Knew someone who did that and they totally changed because they went feral to survive.
It’s a cultural thing to kick kids out. If your kid is working and going to school and helping around the house and paying bills and has a goal, what’s wrong with them staying home? It’s a very cultural thing here, to do that. The extended family structure was certainly abandoned after WW2
@@warriorpoetapprentice1523 Certain adults will NEVER make enough money to do that.
I started working hard but stayed with my mom until i had a good downpayment then moved out. This is how parents should arrange it.
But if you kick them out people like Dave can pay them next to nothing because they have no choice.
I don’t think Dave is saying to kick out the college-aged kid who’s going to school and working and helping around the house and working towards a specific goal. He’s saying to kick out the bum who’s doing NOTHING but mooching and laying around.
@@warriorpoetapprentice1523 Your grandparents lived 12 to a house in the depression.
These men are not lazy. They are on strike because they are not getting what they want from society.
On strike… lol that’s a joke. 😂 These people need to grow up and get a job!
@@kii1985 I know it seems pretty crazy but it's true. These men are on strike because the average man no longer has access to women and families. More young men are becoming involuntarily celibate. Women, families, and country used to be major motivators for men to push to become the best version of themselves. These young men are very capable of being as productive as men of the past they just need a reason to be. Society can't milk these men of labor without giving them something in return. Society encourages promiscuity and single motherhood. Society also incentivizes divorces. These things are contrary to what men want out of society. Why would they give their all to a society that doesn't give them what they want? This has already been happening in other parts of the world like Asia with the herbivore men. Those men completely withdrew from society.
@@kii1985 Society likes to blame young men saying it's their problem when in fact it is society that is not providing the structure guidance means or places for young men to develop themselves and thrive.
@@gregoryguerrier963 you aren’t owed women and a family. You have to be a good man and work and then maybe women would take you seriously
@@Sara-9865 not one line of my comments mentioned anything about men being owed anything. No one is owed anything. Everyone has to work for what they want in life. What men receive for their hard work in 2023 doesn't justify the hard work. The majority of women in America are no longer wife material so the majority of men adapted to the situation.
I think you guys are totally wrong on this. People don't want to work cuz you don't make any money being wage slaves to corporate America. They're also needs to be more upward opportunity in these jobs as well. I think what a lot of people nowadays are missing is meaning and purpose in their life. The tiny paycheck isn't good enough anymore.
And who’s fault is that? YOUR OWN.
Totally on point @SuperAids.
@@dcg590 Businesses need to encourage people to work.
@@dcg590 yeah just get credentials bro it’s easy just become a data analyst and get rich amirite? MURICA
@@superaids5946 no they don’t. Either work or starve. You want to be paid a ridiculous amount of money zero to no effort. Too bad. You aren’t owed a living. Earn it or not, up to you but others aren’t required to pay you what YOU think you deserve. You’re sense of entitlement is astounding.
Funny how no one is telling women to get off of Instagram and TikTok and do some meaningful work.
They wouldn't dare say that to women or they will be cancelled.
For real.
I agree. This author is very sexist and says in the start that men are the natural providers. Disappointed that these two didn't point that out.
@@portlandrestaurantsI mean
Lack of a job is more of an existential crisis for men. Additionally, women in the US have a 7% higher workforce participation than the global average. Personally, I live in Mexico and here it is very common for men to work and women to stay home, raise children, and maintain the household. I know many women in the US don’t desire that sort of lifestyle, but the unfortunate reality is that motherhood, let alone full-time motherhood simply isn’t an option for many American families in the 21st century. Between rent and student loans, most women can’t afford to opt out of the workforce to raise the next generation, and that isn’t good for us as a society. Households with an in-home parent consistently raise better children, thus creating a more resilient generation of tax payers. If you want to nitpick and say, well why don’t men be stay at home fathers, I think it only works in a limited number of relationship dynamics. When a woman has to work and her husband stays home to raise the kids, it’s a breeding ground for resentment. For tens of thousands of years our relationship dynamic was that men were the hunters and providers while women were the nurturers. We’re hardwired for that dynamic and to ignore biology for the sake of modern gender equality is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We can strive for equality while still recognizing and respecting the fundamental differences between biological sexes.
I love how Der Boomer's only possible response is to try and shame men into working for free like a nagging housewife.
Why don't so called "men" feel any shame about not working?
Work for free? Nah. Become a working member of society. Not a loser.
@@kurts6741 Times have changed
Yeah, boomer wants his French fries at McDonalds
@@rebeccalindley153 maybe because society let them down first. Get your pet illegals and strong independent womyn to do it.
Workers have just become more aware of how companies are exploiting them and they are done with the bs.Welcome to new work paradigm bosses.
People don't quit jobs, they quit bad managers.
Either way, there has been no labor shortage as we now know. These companies can keep doing what they are doing because it is actually far too difficult to find a job currently than it should be. Too many men competing for blue collar work, where as women almost exclusively work white collar and make up 51% of the workforce as of January 2023. So men for office work, are competing with not only other men, but the entirety of the female work force.
That forces men into heavily competing with an obscene number of other men for blue collar. It means employers have all the power. They can do whatever the crap they feel like doing (within reason), because it isn't like they can't replace people quickly.
Who cares, let it all burn
💯 💯 💯
Insanely based, everything burns.
Let it rot.
Hahah
Look american society needs to give men incentives. Men dont need much to live especially if they dont have a family. Men live your life for yourself until others respect and deserve you. Love to see it
Indeed. America made a family out of reach for alot of men. And even if you do get married the laws are set up to totally destroy you if the woman wants to leave. Where is the incentive to help a society that effectively hates you?
This
Incentive? Have you looked at the history of the world.
Lol imagine getting paid $12 to manage a whole group of people
Yeah but the issue is buying power at 12. I can’t speak for everyone but at 20 + it might be worth it!
Where is this? Every fast food management position where i live currently is around 40k-49k. Which would be roughly double what you are stating.
@@crashtestdummy1972 where is this? Little ceasers general managers here in Philly make like 35k.
Better than getting paid nothing to do nothing. If you can get a better job, go for it. Otherwise, don't look down on honest work.
@@robertcraft1030 work that pays living wages is the minimum goal!!! I noticed all else being equal lots of excess equals options and lower stress. I learned living with addicts income with almost no expenses is extremely optional.
Old boomer seething
But can we also discuss how for decades productivity went up while wages were stagnant in a lot of industries??
Yea right, tell me more about that "shortage" please. With my degree in IT, I work in a warehouse, unloading pallets for minimal pay :D Every company around me is owned by Indians which hire Indians overseas -outsourcing and demanding 3-5 years of work experience for entry-level positions. I can see the pain in the eyes of my co-workers and of those that work on the other side of the street. I am just saving money to leave this god forsaken country tbh...
The "shortage" he's talking about is in the service sector, but he makes almost no mention of that.
Hard to imagine that grown men with expensive college degrees don't want to flip burgers, right?
Im glad people are being put wise to this. I Saved in America and moved back to my home country in Europe , I hated everything about the country. from abusive treatment at work to the dating culture to the wokeness, It's not the same country my great grandfathers came to for opportunities. I was fortunate enough to save my small nest egg but not after hopping to 30+ jobs.
I hear highly trained auto mechanic is lucky to get two bux an hour more than guy off the street.
@@betweenyellowan_dred Yet we are told there's a shortage of auto mechanics.
There is a great shortage of IT personnel in the Netherlands. So it might be something to look into. We have a good healthcare system as well.
These guys are too far removed from young men. They have no idea what’s going on right now. Jordan Peterson is on point with this topic. Millionaire summing up the issue as “video games and mommy” isn’t it.
I agree, zero nuance to his argument. He just has his viewpoint and will never be moved from it
Excuses are for losers.
@@kurts6741 From the biggest Tom on UA-cam
@@peteparadis1619 A world full of excuses for everything.
@@kurts6741 Assuming it's an excuse to give others means you think it's a social status thing. You shouldn't assume others live to impress or avoid ridicule from others.
Shaming people into taking minimum wage jobs isn't effective. These guys must have better options.
We shame people for working minimum wage jobs, but now that no one is doing them we try to shame people back into them. Utterly ridiculous.
The jobs he's talking about don't pay a livable wage. The wages haven't gone up enough to overtake inflation. Men are becoming complacent as everything in society is geared towards women.
Meanwhile Americas working class struggles with an opioid epidemic. Sure pal just "put your back into it" at the local Walmart and slip a disc. Nothing says confidence like a lifetimes dependency on Oxycontin
Also don't forget. Watch your time, life and dream slip away.
@@unkono 100%
The boomerism is strong here. Maybe, just hear me out, there's no incentive for young men to work. The prospect of monogamous healthy relationship is bleak at best. Average women don't want average men so if you can't be exceptional a lot of men have just checked out.
Well that's a self-fulfilling prophecy if ever I heard one.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 no, it’s just facts. There is nothing to gain from being a good husband & father, only an 80% chance she files for divorce because “she’s not happy” and then the guy loses everything. Why bother than?
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 Red pill for the win
@@danieldpa8484 That goes to 90% if she has a degree and makes more than her hubby.
@Ed, all guys are waking up to the red pill. When a 19yo is making 100K on OF showing her goodies, she is not interested in a blue collar guy. She is looking for a baller, the 24/7 party lifestyle.
YOU MADE ME LAUGH SO HARD WHEN YOU SAID WAGES HAVE GONE UP.
I have had to up my payroll, a lot!
You make your wages go up by becoming valuable.
@@kurts6741 the lead in the water really did a number on you. Wages have stagnated while productivity has went up. Either adapt and pay more or people won’t work for you.
@@alinatamashevich3354 ehhhh, ‘I’ll be adding a quarter to each of your hourly wages everyone! Applaud me now!!!’
yeah like 10 percent while inflation has gone up 10 trillion gazillion percent
Dave, your generation created this.
Men of today can see through the game and are not playing. The purpose of working is to provide for your family, there are no families anymore. No fault divorce (50% of marriage end) robs the man of his children and savings. Single mom raising men are a disaster I agree with you there. Statistics proves simgle mothers are not good parents.
Financial speculations driving house prices to a ridiculous level that makes ot very hard for a working man to afford.
Well done sir, step off your high horse and look at your creation with pride - get of mens back
It was created long before Dave's generation was even born.
What Is the issue w no fault divorce? I'm curious
These people sacrificed working in these kinds of jobs for their daily needs, for their family. We can't just blame these people to want to work in an environment where they can be appreciated and well-compensated.
True, sacrifising for your own family gives the motivation.
Now, alot more men don't have families. So, he only has to worry about his own survival, and can think about if he wants to do a certain job for his own lifelyhood or not.
Dave Ramsey is totally in the wrong. To say to a single, to the childless men, that they should do a many hours of certain hard labour jobs. While they don't need that extra money for themselfes, and they are more happy with a less demanding job or less hours type of work.
But many are just spoiled brats , nothing noble about being lazy or sticking your nose up at a job you think is beneath you,
It is hard, but we must all respect each other for everyone is made in the image of God and show appreciation for everyone. Who knows what this country would be like without men who clean sceptic tanks, drive garbage trucks, and work in the sewers?
Plot Twist: What if the men they are “calling out” are actually the ones who learned to live smaller, be debt free, save money and are living the debt free dream…..because they did the baby steps and now get to LIVE like no one else. 😁
Forgot single too
Well, then these boomers would throw around the "you're not a REAL man" card because you're not willing to be sacrificed on the altar of marriage, to be used and chewed up by both women and the State, and because you actually value your own safety and security when "clearly" you shouldn't.
No Wife or Family. 😉
It is surprising how expensive a girlfriend and kids can be...
And how much easier life without them.
@@MasticinaAkicta I have a wife and kids and don't find it difficult, it's probably just you shrug making it difficult
Decades and decades of men being treated like slaves in the workplace. I don’t blame any of these men for not wanting too work for peanuts while certain workers get everything given to them.
Therefore don’t conflate, making money by bringing value and time spent working for someone.
seriously????????
The men who work the hardest are the ones who get exploited instead of rewarded. Young men have realized this and opted out of even working hard anymore.
@@terriiii8785 enjoy the affirmative action
If the Boomers are mad. You are probably doing something right.
If the Boomers are mad you are probably doing something you will regret when you get to be their age.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 Then why listen to Boomers? Over 40% haven't even started saving for retirement. Of those who have saved, nearly 40% have less than $100k. Their advice is trash.
@@bobbobbington3615 look at his name. He is a boomer.
Agreed.
@@bobbobbington3615 it is normal for children to strike out at thier elders and reject the teachings the previous generation passes down. Well for unsuccessful people I mean. The rest of us grow up.
If these jobs offered a higher salary, more people would enter/reenter the workforce but I also believe some people have been so beaten down that even if salaries doubled they’d still not try.
A lot of the good paying jobs with benefits also require you to get a poison injected inside of your body. It's a problem.
Exactly. He talks about everything but better wages to allow people to live a dignified quality of life
The average salary needs (ballpark figure) to be at least $25 hourly. The cost of living has basically doubled where I live since 2019, you can't expect people to work for 1980 wages while paying 2022 prices.
I think it's more that they have downscaled their lifestyle to the level of college poverty (or not much higher), and don't see the point of trading in hours just to have a higher lifestyle - and this is especially true with housing, which requires 30 years of stable income. Who thinks xer job is stable?
Every job would have lines around the block if the wages and benefits were decent. People need incentive.
Coming from a guy that has a net worth of 200 million dollars. This dude is out of touch with reality when it comes to the average American working two jobs and still barely making rent and covering basic necessities. We just need to work harder and maybe we can afford a decent house!
Even reality is out of touch with reality at this point...
I have bad anxiety, but being in the position where I have to work has helped me immensely. No one can take care of me like me. I can't imagine knowing everyday that someone else can decide whether I eat that day. That's scarier than anything my anxious mind can think of.
Work has at times been a struggle. If I got enough pity and stopped work I would not have kept trying. I am proud of having has a successful and rewarding career.
I've known people who got encouraged to act crippled and grew to see themselves a a cripple and became crippled and gave up.
That’s such a good attitude. Good on you👌Working is so good for our mental health.
Please do me and yourself a favor and get outdoors in nature as much as possible in your free time
Anxiety ends when your life ends. Deal with it.
@@kurts6741 they can’t all do so they may want to try and get s.s. Because he might not be able to work.
When you take away the main incentive men ever had to work which was owning a home and raising a family, why are you shocked when we no longer have the drive to work?
Ohhh poor little men so oppressed in the US 😢😂😂😂 you American young men are just lazy!!😂
Yes!
Guys don’t want that when all that happens is them getting used and divorced.
Wth?! There's other men who actually are happy being a single man and just concerned about his career. Men don't need a wife and family. No one really does. Being independent and following your dreams in your career, will get you farther in your career. you don't have to consider and bargain moving and traveling for work. You can get up and go. Marriage should be after all that if you want to
@@crow-vz5lx yep but thats not majority
Dave is half right and half wrong you just need to add a few words to that statement
"Nobody wants to work anymore for that wage" - is more accurate
Nope. "Nobody wants to work anymore." is spot on. Lazy Americans.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 Okay boomer.
"Laziness is the mother of human progress"
"Throwing your kids out" is such an American thing. In most other cultures it's perfectly normal to live with your parents/kids/other family members and they do just fine. We have to start normalizing living with family and not just "throwing kids out" so they can "learn". You can have both. We don't live in a "this or that" world. Lots of asian, african american, and even european cultures do this just fine.
You entirely miss the point... those other cultures aren't letting their kids sit in the basement and play video games all day. Living with family is fine if everyone is pulling their weight and not being lazy, unproductive bums.
@@billaroundtheglobe Uhh I think you entirely missed my point. That's what I said.
But everyone should be able to live independently.
In the cultures that do that the children and the parents are so poor they can't afford live on their own. If you find a middle class or wealthy family in that culture they all live independently apart from each other.
Thank you exactly
Love listening to Dave. But honestly he has been sheltered from reality for decades. It is very hard to get welfare and it is very stingy. I doubt many people choose that as a career choice. Many people are working and living with mom because the wages and rent have gotten so out of sync. A lot of them have mental illness but no help from anyplace. If they had help many would be able to work. And as some have said in comments many are working underground to avoid taxes or working illicit occupations.
Actually it’s not that hard to jump on the welfare train. It’s actually passed from generation to generation if you want to know the truth. Why do you think these people have 10 kids? It’s a business to use the system and get basically free housing, food stamps, and free healthcare. I just think this new generation of workers are entitled little babies that cry every chance they get when things don’t turn out the way they thought it would.
Very true. Some young men are trying, but can only do so much. Everyone has an opinion nowadays about what we should be doing and about where we should be at this point in our lives, however its not that easy. Us young men are trying the best we can and see that some things that people like Dave expects of us just won't come to fruition no matter what us young men do. It is completely out of our control.
Correction. Welfare is only hard for men to obtain.
@@thystaff742 In Florida where I live it is hard for women even with kids to get. About impossible for a man to get. Even with kids.
@@thystaff742 Why do people act like welfare is even a lot or enough to live on? It's basically pennies compared to rent nowadays. And you have to actively be looking for a job to get on it.
Latchkey kid here and had tons of responsibilities growing up and did college and worked for years and then quit because it wasn’t worth the low pay and I make more money with investments than working 40-60 hours a week. So I volunteer my time because it’s more fulfilling and impactful.
This discussion is really delusional. There are so many evidence based videos of people applying for jobs and not even getting a email back.
And? Perhaps their application & CV were lacking the necessary information, job experience, credentials, etc.. to land them an interview?
@@sweetiespoon5150 if a business REALLY needed a position to be filled, they'd take someone who has some experience and train them up instead of trying to find the perfect candidate. Businesses aren't willing to train people anymore, they want someone else to do it
That has been going on forever. Keep applying. Don't wait around for a response.
@@specops_gbb yup except they all want someone else to do the training, which means no one does the training
Worked hard in my 20's. Made little money and paid lots in taxes. Got a bad back and knee out of it.
Now I cut hair, work on cars and do HVAC all on the side. Probably retire soon cheers!
It’s hard to support families on todays salary. Plus aging parents need us more now.
When my parents retire, I will take care of them.
“Wussie”
“Its hard to support families on todays salary”….. so earning $0 is better than earning a salary?
@@ashermorris1139 No sir.
@@ashermorris1139 If you're still going to be broke, why be broke working 60 hours a week for an abusive employer?
Yes, I get what you're saying, but the reality is hard-working men are (almost) as poor as the bums. It should tell you something is seriously wrong with the pay on these jobs!
For the love of God i love Dave but wish hed let someone else finish their freaking sentence.
Things are changing and will never be the same. People are tired of being played.
@@chipsnotchunks2620 not disagreeing with your post...but what does this have to do with Dave's inability to let others be heard?
Me too, feel a bit sorry for Ken.
@@chipsnotchunks2620 not sure what you’re talking about tbh
@@chipsnotchunks2620 played ? By who ?
Working class people have grit and they are sick of working for pennies. While rich people sit around and do very little but then think they earned everything.
Looking at this from a worldwide lens rather than a USA national lens, every working class American would be considered rich.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 i don't want to hear that nonsense about being happy with the pennies i have because other people have it worse.
i want the life that my grandfather had, where a man could work ONE job, buy a modest home before the age of 30, and didn't have to worry about his job being outsourced.
society isn't giving us that, so, as far as i'm concerned, it can all burn flat to the ground. let Dave and Ken and all the other greedy employers find their wage slaves somewhere else.
@@thispersonrighthere9024 You don't DESERVE that life. You comment is proof of that
Working remotely has helped so many people be focused incredibly productive and able to maintain good family and community relationships. Meanwhile, beastly expensive commutes, urban violence and squalor, and illness going around have made a commute very hellish and even foolish. There has to be flexibility in the workplace.
Those people should work at a discount then right ?
Those that have to go to a job should get a bump.
No pay by day and better management
@@goalie2998 haha why
@@goalie2998 Someone is bitter they have to drive to work. 🤣
@@KillstormSH I'm not bitter just pointing out the obvious.
Dave and Ken are drastically out of touch on this one. They really have no clue what the great resignation is or how scummy employers are and are half the reason we are in this mess. Shame on both of you for not digging deeper.
Yeah i usually disagree when people say they are out of touch, but in this one I agree. I’m 28. A millennial. And the workload has increased on a lot of jobs since they had to reduce staff. Or, they have new staff that can’t do the work of experienced people. That means the ones who tough it out, get burned out. They leave and perhaps stay with family or friends. I mean who wants to get abused at work?
Beats a coal mine like my grandpa suffered through. He did it anyways because he loved his family and paved the way for me to become and engineer and my brother a doctor. Don’t forsake your legacy because you have to work hard. Rethink your attitude.
@@bryceables2319 you wouldn’t even work in that coal mine yourself if you had to so let’s not tell people to rethink their attitude
Real talk👊🏿
@Bryce Ables I don't care what your grandpa did. We've heard the stories 1000 times now and are either sick of them or don't believe or they simply aren't relevant. The stimmy checks and participation trophies aren't to blame. Employers have the money but don't want to properly pay and treat those who work for them with respect. Many strong men have chosen to work for themselves under the table and live on very little to keep their sanity. Now people are whining that the slaves don't want to be slaves in a free country.
These moralistic screeds are almost quaint at this point: the basic job going unfilled might almost cover the cost of operating the vehicle that gets you to and from it, never mind rent or food. Ramsey talks as if there's still some sort of basic social contract in this country, when in fact nothing of the kind exists: employers pay a non-living wage and have minimal concern or investment in their workers, small surprise if workers respond in kind. Just to note, I've worked my entire life, so spare me the sermon on the nobility of work here in 2022 America. Work hard, get nowhere. Take a look out the window sometime Ramsey.
Exactly
If you don’t work, you don’t eat. If you can afford to keep looking for a job, awesome. But the funds will eventually run out.
I can’t love this comment enough. 🏆
I'll add that the ACA health coverage (i.e., "ObamaCare"), while finally giving folks the missing link for their welfare, has some very powerful disincentives for earning an income. At my age, fully paying for an ACA plan, with the expected out-of-pocket, would cost $20K/yr! Starting from having an income of $18K, the maximum income to qualify for the Medicaid expansion, I would need to earn another $32K as 1099 just to have the after-taxes income be barely enough to cover that $20K - and oh, if I am making that income, I need a more reliable car than my current 20 year old clunker, so that's another $13K in pre-tax income to have the after-tax income to pay the new car note and the comprehensive/collision insurance, something I don't have to be concerned with now because my car has a wholesale value of about $500, LOL. So I would need to nominally earn $45K more just to tread water; yes, I'll choose playing Rock Band on my vintage Xbox360.
@@JMGrimm In this case, now people work and still can't eat or support themselves. Wages are so low that you're broke either way.
We now have uber, door dash, lyft, insta cart, Walmart spark, ebay resale etc. This is the type of work younger people are doing. Independent contractor and make their own hours. I know of a guy that does gig work full-time and makes two thousand dollar's a week.
My son! Independent contractor
Those jobs/gigs get a w2! So they wasn’t talking about them
These people are counted under the employed category
Uber is not independent contractor....
@@alexlechef2 what would you call it then? They set their own hours, they choose which orders to take or reject, and they get a 1099. That's an independent contractor.
"You mommies need to throw your 25 year old son out..."
No Dave! It is the fathers that need to step up and actually be fathers! You have a whole generation of fathers (baby boomers) that didn't want to be bothered with actually raising their sons.
baby boomers are responsible for everything bad thing, aren't they Mr. Bates...ummm yep, no.
This is an economic problem get that through your head.
@aidanmurray7319 I didn't say there wasn't an economic component. To be fair it's both-and so much more. My point (poorly made) is that Dave Ramsey does not have a good grasp on reality. We have a whole generation that was thrown into an awful economic situation and they were not taught to have any kind of tenacity-which is usually (though certainly not exclusively) taught by fathers.
These young men were screwed on many levels. They were screwed economically, also by not having fathers around, also by radical 3rd wave feminism, by an educational system that didn't teach them real-world skills that employers truly need.
This is an economic, political, social and family situation. These men need help. Baby boomers are blaming their sons for the situation that they (the baby boomers) created. Every time men have problems, they are simply yelled at, whenever women have problems, there are committees assembled, round table discussions and even laws passed. When men have problems nobody cares.
All of the baby boomer males that were in power help remove the father from the home. This has created a generation of mamas boys, who see what their uncles in fathers of went through that don’t want to participate. This is correctable and we can do it.
If you can’t pay rent with those restaurant jobs, why work? If you’re told doing traditionally masculine things is toxic, why work hard and be a provider?
These questions are valid, however, adults need to provide for themselves or else basic needs will continue to go unmet
@@thelovelykimmi7920 if you can't provide on what they pay, why bother.
People are tired of working for nothing so someone can get rich.
I would say that restaurant jobs aren't really meant for adults that you're supposed to invest in yourself and be more than a person working in a restaurant job by the time you're an adult. If you are an adult working in a restaurant then you've made some poor decisions in your life if you're not the the chef or the one who owns the restaurant
@@chipsnotchunks2620just because someone else is successful doesn’t mean someone else isn’t. Stop making excuses because you’re lazy. Look into what successful people have had to do to become successful, it’s not sitting home whining about how much money you don’t make. Go to work and give the actual adults working and paying taxes a break from your entitled bs.
Wages haven't kept up with cost of living. Employers have enjoyed low wages for a while, now the tide is turning. People on low end jobs will be automated out, everyone else will demand higher wages. Love how Dave trashes males in particularly maybe there's nothing in it for them.
There's nothing in this society where men benefit. Bad jobs, the divorce industry. Need I say more.
We all should become 1099 workers. Instead of paying my boss $200 per hour, and he pays me $20 per hour, you can just pay me $180 per hour and get rid of the middle man.
I equate women who call themselves models on Instagram to men who call themselves soldiers on call of duty.
Dave I hate to take a contrary point of view here but speaking as a someone who does work the colleges and feminism in particular has ostracized men and I think that would be a interesting thing to look into the decline of the nuclear family unit and how this has left certain people rudderless
Why should men work for a society at best doesn't care about them or at worst hate them.
The apathy of men online is disturbing. Sorry your mothers didn’t give you all enough hugs, but a man works to at the bare minimum not be a burden on other men, like a child.
@@iamcosma7065oh boohoo
@@iamcosma7065 trigggereddddddd
@@iamcosma7065 Do you shame women who don't comply too? Men are depicted as the oppressor in media constantly. No one wants to play a game if success only makes you the villain of the story.
Good point
Capitalist like dave is angry cause we dont play the rat race game anymore.
a lot of these people are working for themselves, they aint going back to their old jobs making corporations rich.
Nobody should take advice about hard physical labor from financial advisors who sit on their butts in an air conditioned office, giving their opinion for a living, and who are 20+ lbs overweight.
Now talk about unemployed women, Dave. I DARE you.
That would definitely get him canceled.
@@thystaff742 Right. It's a perverse double standard of UA-cam's sexism policy.
Y'all can't even take accountability always want to defer to women 😂
@@onyxjade5474 projection from you
@@onyxjade5474 I didn't deny accountability. Everybody is responsible.
The hyperinflation caused by money printing is turning a 50k income into a lower class income. While their neighbor is grifting making 100-200k/year.
LOL. "hyperinflation"? Americans have NEVER seen hyperinflation.
Hyperinflation is not caused by money printing. It is caused by lack of price regulation and businesses greed. Besides, who gets the printed money first and who controls it? Banks and bonds certificate dealers and wheelers. The poor get assistance and quickly spend it on necessities. Money goes back to the wealthy. There should be tax penalties on big businesses for raising prices on consumers, and consumers should stop consuming but for the very basic necessities.
Its funny, you guys are trying to shame men but you are not even pointing out the real reason why this is happening.
Men will only accomplish as much as necessary to attract women, and having jobs is no longer a requirement for that, social status is more important than financial achievement
This is the truth, what good is an ordinary job when you're 5'8 male??? you're getting nothing.
What you describe are boys not men, they continue to put it on a pedestal because they dont have any other self worth outside of validation from women. They are no better. It is when a man has already been through it that they realize pursuing their financial future goes far beyond that and takes years/decades. These are all aimless boys being talked about
I’ve applied for tons of jobs when employers were “desperate” it’s always “yOu dOn’T hAvE eXpErIeNcE!” I work now but still I don’t think it’s as easy as “jUsT gEt A jOb!”
Your right jobs require people to be accepted to work. People can’t just hire themselves.
I feel the same. They beg for people, then reject people who are willing to give it a go.
😂😂😂💯
Not just that, but the desirable positions have competition too.
@@BlackCubone Even without any competition a good job sometimes requires training which also requires more ability as well.
Raise up against the system men. Revolt against the modern world.
It's not about "no one wants to work". I applied for a bunch of jobs and no one would hire me due to lack of experience.
I believe it! They claim to be hiring immediately blah blah blah but they wait for the perfect candidate that they will still view as disposable.
Seriously, employers say there's a shortage, but they've had decades of having hundreds of applicants that now that they might have only a few dozen good choices but they might need some training, they think that means there's a shortage.
"Letting Junior play Call of Duty 2000 hours a year in your basement and he ha never been called to any duty"😆💀
You got that right brother or sister...
Not everyone has the same ability…..
Junior is useless.
I died laughing on this part haha 😂
We'd all love to be some old guy who sits on his ass all day talking...
Only happens with 30 years of hard work building his business to this point...
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508People like Dave don’t know what true hard work is. You think sitting on your ass all day doing office work is hard work?
He's got a better idea than 99% of Americans. Building a company requires a LOT more than just office work. By the way, people only do physical labour because they don't have the brainpower to handle thinking. @@Theonewhowonders92