As a Master Pistol Smith who does it for a living, I didn't expect a great deal from the Kimber. Yes, I bought one. It looked nice, it felt good, and I was curious. It has been totally reliable. I too polished the feed ramp. It ran fine without that, but it never hurts. The only deficiency I found was the trigger. There was some grit and creep, and the trigger bow was a bit on the loose side. I addressed those issues (took about 30 minutes) and I have a wonderfully crisp and clean 3.5 lb pull. I've shot it quite a bit since. I still haven't had a malfunction (I am squarely at 900 rounds). I am not ordinarilly a Kimber fan. I won't say this has turned me into one, but I do really like this pistol. With a red dot I hit some pretty small stuff at 25 yards!
I own four Kimber pistols. I bought two of them in 2007, one of them in 2008 and the most recent one in 2021. Each and every time I've pulled the trigger on any and all of them, they've gone bang, with the exception of two defective rounds in the past nearly twenty years that failed to fire despite good primer strikes (not the pistol's fault). Never a jam, ever.
Interesting video. I’ve been very curious about this new offering from Kimber since I saw it at the NRA convention. I truly hope I can get my hands on one locally.
Coming from someone who has shot over a million rounds through pistols in my life the kds9 is one of the smoothest out of the box guns I’ve ever had the pleasure of shooting for the price
Another good video sir I think that's a very good comparison on the Wilson that's why I bought the Kimber cause of the very close of EDC for half the money plus it had a optics cut the Wilson didn't.
I have a Wilson Combat SFX9 3.25 I really like it but I'm also interested in this Kimber as part of my carry rotation! Looking forward to range review before I make final decision!! 👍
The KDS9c was just released, so I'm surprised that they are selling for less than MSRP. But that's still double the price of a P01. Thanks for watching.
Revisited this video and now I’m thinking that it would be great to see a comparison of the KDS9, the Apha Fox Trot and the CZ P01…great video by the way. 👍🏻
Wednesday am video just hit my feed today. Up on Mackinaw Island eating breakfast and enjoying your video. Hope all is well with you and your family. Can do brother bee!
I'm hoping to have the range review up by Tuesday morning, maybe sooner, unless UA-cam for some reason deems it not suitable for all advertisers and I have to request a manual review. As to the rail, if there is enough demand, I imagine it could happen, but I haven't seen Kimber do a rail on anything smaller than a full-size 1911. Thanks for watching.
The Wilsonx9 is almost 3 grand compared to the $1300 I paid for the Kimber. Most guys at the range wouldn’t buy either due to their prices and today’s economy; both are very niche pistols. Thanks for your vid. Semper fi🇺🇸
Wilson makes pistols that work. Kimber had the greatest number of “return to manufacture for repair or warranty” than any other manufacturer in the time I spent working in gun stores. Their 1911s just weren’t reliable.
I keep reading about problems with Kimber handguns (mostly anecdotal), but my personal experience has been the opposite. This is my 19th Kimber handgun (including a whole bunch of 1911s from Ultra Carry to full-size, a couple Solos, several Micros, R7 Mako, EVO SP and K6) and, other than having to break in a couple of the 9mm 1911s, I haven't had any issues, even with the Solo. It could be that I've just been lucky, but I would think that if they really had systemic issues, I would have experienced at least one over the years, considering how much I've shot them. But thanks for watching and adding the info.
@007Chancellor, I know Kimber went through a period of QC issues a while back. They also seem to sell more 1911s than most other manufacturers (just my personal observation), so I'd be interested in the percentage of returns based on number sold, not just the raw numbers. That would be a more meaningful indication of problems. Thanks for watching and adding to the discussion.
My 4 Kimbers have been good, but my son YB will not own one for more time then a video or two. YB then sells them to me or others that are interested. He is a big Springfield Armory MilSpec Fan and owns 4 or 5 of them including two-tones that he changed over himself for a Custom MilSpec look that you can’t buy from the factory in that configuration. Best, B9USA. 😎🇺🇸👍💥💥🎥🧟♂️
@@RidersRange I'd say we sold more Springfields in general. The RATE OF RETURN on the Kimbers was much higher. I found Kimbers to be like the little girl with the curl. 🤣 When they were good, they were very very good. But when they were bad they were HORRID! One went back to the mother ship three times - and still wasn't reliable.
I like Bul guns, but the grip shape on the SAS II makes the gun harder to conceal and it just doesn't fit my hand like the grip on the Kimber, or even the grip on the Wilson.
I very happy with mine. 200 rounds of 115 ball and two mags of 124 HST. All good so far. I was saving up for the EDC X9 then this came out. I’m sure the EDC 9 is nice but + $2000 nice, I’d have to shoot one to tell. In reality a Glock 19 does all the same things so I think for me it’s a pride of ownership thing with these more expensive guns than a functional thing.
Thanks for watching and for your comment. I carried a Glock of one model or another for 24 years, but nothing beats the trigger on a 1911-style pistol and Wilson's are among the best.
@googlechicken, my LGS just got a DWX Compact in and I handled it (but couldn't shoot it - brand new and for sale). As soon as I can get my hands on one to shoot, I WILL do a comparison.
Historically, Kimber has only put a rail on their full-size (5") guns. And as much as folks seem to want a rail, maybe Kimber realizes that there is no real need for a rail on a concealed carry gun. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@Joeshmoshoots definitely if you carry at night. Positive identification is your best friend. But I get it if they don't normally do it, just kinda weird with how the current markets going. And what people are asking or looking for.
Thats the sole reason I won't be getting one for now. I prefer 4.25 ish barrel with a full size light for my carry guns, and I can't believe they did no rail..
For @quayshawndameron1349, @joedoolittle9481 and @danielmattera4298, please remember that if you point a weapon-mounted light to get "positive identification", and it turns out that the person doesn't warrant deadly force, you likely have committed a felony by pointing a gun at someone without justification. I know, I know - weapon-mounted lights are what the police use (different mission than ordinary civilian defenders) and its what the tacti-cool folks use, so everyone feels they need one, and of course, that necessitates a rail. I'm not a lawyer, but I did spend 38 years in law enforcement and I have discussed this with may lawyers - prosecutors and defense attorneys - and the consensus is that a citizen should NEVER use a weapon-mounted light to identify the target. Use a high quality hand-held light to make identification (preferably from behind cover) and only use a weapon-mounted light once you have determined that the person needs to be shot. But again, I do thank you for watching the video and adding your thoughts.
Depends on how much you shoot, how long you’ve been around guns, and your taste in general. I’ve been shooting for years and am bored with the normal offerings on the market. Currently selling off some guns that I don’t shoot anymore and put the money into a Wilson. You get what you pay for.
@@benjamin3290 fair. I have things that I spend more money on too, such as watches and outdoor gear. I'm just not going to go above the mean on firearms.
It's a nice looking pistol which Kimber has a good reputation for producing, however I personally would need some range time to feel this Kimber out before I even begin to think it would compare to the Wilson. Wilson is way more then looks.
After spending some time with the Kimber on the range yesterday, I'm more conscious of the differences between it and the EDC X9, but I'm going to withhold judgement until I have at least 1,000 rounds through it. As always, I thank you for watching and commenting.
@@RidersRange Yeah ,me personally I already laid down the cash for the EDCX9,I guess there's no reason for me to replace it. However as gun guys we just have to know LOL 🇺🇸💪🙏
I love my 2 Wilson of this type and the 1911’s of course. I always keep an open mind & I have 3 or 4 Kimbers in my collection. Great to see you both & stay safe out there. B9USA Sr.
@@USMC_ it’s a well made pistol but I get why people would not like it. The lack of a rail or optic mounting capabilities is going to turn off a lot of folks. I’m a CZ fanboy so I love the ergos of the 75 mixed with that 1911 trigger and dot care so much about lights or optics on my daily carry piece
I like wilson but these are basically the same gun, its amazing how one is $1400 and the other is $2900. i dont like grip safetys so my only choices were wilson or atlas gunworks. im glad kimber made this, i will be buying this to fill the spot of 1911 in my collection. kimber did good.
The Wilson is more refined with more attention to detail, but each is just as reliable so far and the Kimber is every bit as accurate in my hands as my EDC X9. And strangely, the Kimber fits my hand better than the Wilson, but my wife says the EDC X9 fits her hand better than the KDS9c.
Before I watch, I’ll comment that as soon as I saw the Kimber for the first time (it was in person), I immediately thought it was a “copy” of the Wilson. Now, on to your show…
The grip is s subtle departure from the Wilson and feels better in my medium-size hands. My wife, however, prefers the EDC X9 grip size and shape, but her hands are pretty small. Range video goes public at 5:00 EDT this afternoon.
@ropertallen8841, the big difference is the trigger. Virtually nothing beats the trigger of a good 1911-style pistol. The DA first shot, SA follow-up shots of the CZ75 may have a limited advantage, but also a distinct disadvantage. Thanks for watching and commenting.
The Shadow 2 compact is about to hit the market soon… But nothing beats the speed and precision one can achieve with a nicely tuned single action trigger like you get in a nice 1911/2011 pistol. No DA/SA trigger can even get close really… And that’s why the 1911 design is still relevant well over a century after it was invented.
I just found your channel and I really appreciate how thorough you are. I have an EDCX9 that has close to 6000 rds through it. The trigger started out close to 3 lb 8 oz measured on my Lyman. I just measured it again at 3 lb 5.5 oz avg. I don't think Wilson would want to sell a carry gun in the less than 3 lb range. Maybe you should contact them? I don't suppose the Kimber will work with Wilson mags, will it?
I am not fond of carrying a pistol with a trigger lighter than 3 pounds, though I have made exceptions. For now, my EDC X9 is relegated to range fun, not daily carry, so I'm okay with that trigger. The Wilson mags won't fit into the KDS9c, but Canik TP9 SFX mags will not only fit, they lock in and feed just fine. Unfortunately, the Canik mags won't lock the slide back on the last round. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Both the KDS9c and AF S15 shoot amazingly well and are 100% reliable, though the Kimber feels a little better in my hand due to the contour of the grip. I wouldn't hesitate to carry either one. Check the video I posted yesterday to see the comparison with the KDS9c, AF S15 and a couple others. And thanks for watching.
I'm not sure why you would want to de-cock a pistol, but doing so can be just as safe as de-cocking a revolver while exercising the proper safety procedures.
You can decock a Ruger and Smith and Wesson revolvers without danger of your thumb slipping off and firing the gun. Beretta and a lot of other semi autos have a decocker built into the safety. Its so you can lower the hammer safely when there is a round in the chamber.@@RidersRange
Because of the double action to single action on guns like HKs like the P2000 and the Sig P226-229 series. But the 1911s are single action only which means there is "some" risk when you decock the trigger with the thumb, especially when its slippery. IMHO. @@tmyers1492
I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on my channel, so I won't dispense legal advice. I know that many folks insist on having a rail, generally to mount a light. However, for non-law enforcement people, mounting a light on a defensive pistol and using that light to identify whether or not someone is a threat can result in felony charges. But thanks for watching.
I like my Wilson combat. That said they're overhyped. Looking back I'd never spend that much again. Although there are some advantages with the WC as opposed to the kds9c, theres not enough to justify the spread. Its hard to admit this considering the money i spent. That said, my opinion is obviously not the end all view. Buy what you will just keep your expectations within reason when spending over 3k for any firearm/s. On a final note & in an effort to be as fare as possible, the kds9c seems to error to the right no matter how straight you point. Not much worth talking about though.
I have the Kimber and the SFX9. Kimber is a good pistol. The Wilson is just so much more refined...i CARRY the wilson every day..IMO best bang for the buck is the BUL SAS II
The Bul is great, but somewhat hard to find these days and they still use the typical 2011-style blocky grip, which isn't very friendly for concealed carry. I agree that Wilson guns are more refined than Kimber. It's like comparing Lexus with Toyota, or Lincoln and Ford. Thanks for watching.
As far as I know, Kimber uses some MIM parts in virtually every pistol. Metal Injection Molding can be a problem if not done right, but Kimber has enough experience with MIM that there are rarely issues.
People want 2011s with 10 rnd mags in restricted states so when mag bans get shot down we can get real mags for them. I also want to switch to a 9mm from a 45 auto so might as well get a 2011 since the mag capacity is the only thing I would like to change from a 1911
It may depend on whether you have one without a rail, or with a rail, or an optic with the taller sights. My KDS9c doesn't have a rail and it fits in holsters made for a Commander-size 1911 and my Wilson EDC X9. I'd try Muddy River Tactical to see what they say. They have always been very responsive and they ship very quickly.
I'm saving up for a double stacked 1911. I've been looking around from Dan Wesson DWX Compact, Staccato C2, Wilson SFX9, to a Bul SAS II. Now, a double stacked Kimber 1911 pricing lower than the guns that I've been looking around? I might just buy one to see for myself. Kimber reputation has really gone downhill over time, but this may be something that'll help them get better again.
I just picked up a DWX Compact and I'll be reviewing it in the very near future. As to Kimber's reputation, much of that is Internet hype. Granted, Kimber pistols aren't the same quality as Dan Wesson pistols, but currently have 14 Kimber pistols (and one Kimber revolver) and my daughter has 3 (2 of them used to be mine) and they are all holding up just fine. Thanks for watching and good luck with your decision making.
It's personal preference (and body size, carry position, etc.), but the B9R Carry, like most double-stack 2011-style pistols has a large, bulky grip that doesn't lend itself to concealed carry for most folks. The KDS9c is much easier to conceal, in my opinion. (The Dan Wesson DWX Compact is similar in shape to the Kimber, and may even dethrone the KDS9c, if range work goes as I think it will. Tabletop review coming out on June 30, range review to follow.) Thanks for watching.
@traeucity6087, "done buying guns"?? How can one ever be done? Remember the formula that determines how many guns you should own: N+1, where N is the number of guns you currently have. Thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange , I had to face reality. I have a large gun collection, but my wife and kids are not into guns. I saw a UA-cam video of a young man showcasing some 1911's that belonged to his elderly neighbor, who had recently passed away. The neighbor was in the same predicament as me, so he asked his younger neighbor to help his wife sell off his guns after he was gone. I heard a similar story from a local man, who had called in to one of our local radio stations because he was dying, and wanted some advice on what to do with his considerable gun collection. I've been whittling down my collection; focusing on getting bucket list guns.
@traeucity6087, "bucket list guns" are always a good goal. My wife is okay with expanding my collection, maybe as a hedge against inflation?? When I'm gone, if there are any left, my daughter gets the collection and there are some that I will never sell.
@@RidersRange I live in Massachusetts and Wilson and most Kimber’s are not on the compliance list plus we are limited to 10 round mags, your lucky….if it wasn’t for family I’d be out of here
It's a shame that several states, yours included, won't allow you to own some fine guns. But, that 10-round mag limit has really reduced crime, right? (Said dripping with sarcasm.)
But does Kimber use MIM parts? I have had issues in the past with MIM parts going out of spec and requiring tuning. I had a sear break on a Springfield. I modify any pistol with MIM, especially 1911s. I think Kimber copied the Wilson, especially the rail version.
Yes, Kimber uses MIM parts. However, MIM done right is seldom a problem and I haven't had any issues with any parts on any of my Kimbers. As to copying Wilson, there are definite similarities, though the grip contour on the Kimber feels better to me than the more rounded grip on the Wilson. However, my wife (smaller hands) prefers the grip feel of the EDC X9 over the KDS9c. Thanks for watching.
I have the C2 and it is fine in its element, but discrete carry isn't where the C2 works best. The blocky grip shape isn't as concealable as the more rounded grip shape of the EDC X9 or the KDS9c.
I had a WC EDC X9. I just had to have one. Then once I had it I just couldn't bring myself to like. It was like finally going out with the HS cheerleading only to find out she was boring.
Two weeks ago?? At the NRA convention Kimber was touting an August release, so I was pleasantly surprised to find them on the market the end of July. As to jamming, I've run more than 300 rounds through mine so far with a variety of ammo from 90 grain to 150 grain flat nose without a single jam. I did clean it and lube it well before I took it to the range.
I have the Wilson combat exterior double stack Commander. There is literally nothing that can compare to the xperior The fit and finish is unmatched nothing on the pistol rattles when you shake it and if you shoot bad with a Wilson it's definitely because you just shoot bad
I admit the Wilson Experior is well made and highly accurate, but not everyone can, or chooses to, afford a Wilson. For those who are more financially frugal, either out of necessity or by choice, the Kimber delivers the same level of performance.
You are about ten percent there if you are looking at these guns. Unless you are just looking for a gun to make you look cool you are going get just as much if not more functionality out of a Glock, Sig or even Ruger
Look at the p10c from cz ,😮I have seen them for 300. the caniks I have seen for about the same. and with rebate my buddy got a shield plus for just under 4 hundred out the door .and the ruger security 9 and 380 can be had for about that .all great carry guns
The KDS9c has a lot of the same features as the EDC X9 and so far, it's accurate and 100% reliable. But the Wilson obviously has greater attention to detail. Thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange Great review! Love your reviews btw! The wilson more then likely has better parts as I dont know what kimber uses but the wilson has zero fitting, zero barrel fit and the math on the the sample i seen reviewed just wasn’t good. So realistically, what are you getting for all that extra money? A production gun is still a production gun no matter what name is on the side of it. All my wilsons ran great, especially the x9 and I ran it hard and fast. With that said, i still wouldn’t buy another one unless it was well under 2k. My bul viper comp that’s 3.25 inch barrel runs circles around the x9 and its over 1k cheaper. 😂
@tjc501, thanks for adding the info. I wouldn't pay $3K for an EDC X9, but I was happy to buy a gently pre-owned one a couple years ago for $2K. Kimbers in general are true "production" guns - more CNC, less hand fit - while Wilsons are a cross between production and semi-custom. Kimber uses some MIM parts, but I don't believe Wilson does, though there's nothing wrong with good MIM.
First 3 mins of this video and I can see the sharp edges, unsmooth action, and not so good finish. I would LOVE someone to come in and top Wilson at this price, but jeeeez there's so much left on the table and Kimber continues to confuse us with their weird design touches. None of what they're doing is good looking - just make the classic lines and checkering to a double stack. It would look so much more classic. Take more time and round those sharp edges and they'd still be 60% of the cost.
I don't know what it would cost to melt the edges and hand fit the action, but I have to bet it would bring the price up a whole bunch. And yes, Kimber does generally seem to go by the philosophy that "an ounce of image is worth a pound of performance", but in this case, the performance is there, even though the refinement isn't up to Wilson, or even Dan Wesson, standards. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Just put 200 rounds thru My new kimber kds9c and wow what a gun! Love it. Besides a rail I can't think of a way I'd improve it. Kimber hit a home run. I paid 1369 bucks at cabelas minus 5% for veteran status.
I would not consider these guns for my carry gun. Without a grip safety I would be concerned about accidental discharge. To me these double stack 9mm are not real 1911 without the grip safety. I would like to see someone come out with a real double stack 9mm.
I've got a Wilson EDC 9 you are wasting your time comparing that to any 9 mm carry gun. I've got Sigs Glocks and HnK none of those stamps chance against my Wilson
@randallvickers8509, it'a hard to beat the quality of any Wilson, but the comparison stands with guns of similar size, capacity and purpose. The Wilson is a Lexus, compared to the Kimber Toyota. A little more polished and refined, but both just as reliable and accurate. Thanks for watching.
@coryenglish4479, I'm still waiting to get my hands on the DWX. If and when I do, it will be an interesting comparison to both the EDC X9 and the KDS9c.
I own plenty of all th brands you named! The Wilson does not compare to any of my Glocks for torture test and water tests! With maritime spring cups my Glock functions flawlessly in any wet or dry conditions. My Wilson’s (yes plural) have had more malfunctions than any if my Glock pistols!
Identical?Wilson is all forged parts and hand fit. Mimber is cheap MIM internals. I own an edcx9 and have owned a MIMber cdp 1911. The Kimber was the worst pistol I’ve ever owned. The slide stop and thumb safety, both MIM broke within 500 rounds. I sold it and never looked back. I’d never buy another Kimber.
I don't believe I ever said the KDS9c was "identical" to the EDC X9, though they are very similar in form and function. Yes, the Wilson is better made, much like a Lexus is a "better" Toyota. But not everyone is willing or able to buy a Lexus, just like not everyone is willing or able to buy a Wilson. And both the EDX X9 and KDS9c are accurate and will serve the needs of most folks. Thanks for watching. And by the way, I'm not a Kimber "fan-boy", but I have several Kimber pistols, some with several thousand rounds through them, and I've never had a MIM part break.
For the money, as long as you get a reliable one. I’d go with the Kimber and just change out the bs mim parts for machined ones. Would still be cheaper than the Wilson. MIM parts work fine and don’t magically break like people say as they get through hardened but they still annoy me on 1911’s only. I still swap them out despite this being unnecessary.
I like Wilsons but I think their a bit overrated. 1911's and 2011's in general are expensive af, (in most cases overpriced even though i love them), and Wilsons are more expensive than the average Stacaato and i liked them as much or more than the nicest Wilson i've had. I'm not saying they're bad or anything, but in the world of overpriced double-stack 1911's - Wilson Combat guns are somehow more overpriced than most
Paying for the hand fitting and attention to detail. Though as I showed a couple times in my Great Affordable 1911 Series, the right $400 1911 can work just as well as one costing four times as much. Thanks for watching.
Different strokes for different folks. My Kimber has been 100% reliable through 850 rounds with a wide variety of ammo, all without cleaning after the original inspection. And it really does feel better in my hand than my EDC X9 does. (But my wife likes the feel of the Wilson better. Go figure.) Thanks for watching.
Kinda like Ford vs Lincoln. Lincolns are up-scale Fords with more features and attention to detail for a lot more money. With Wilson you are paying for that attention to detail and hand fitting, which is lacking on the Kimber. But so far, both are 100% reliable and equally accurate. Thanks for watching and commenting.
The goal was to compare function, not fit and finish. The KDS9c is to the EDC9 as Toyota is to Lexus - they both do the same job and just as well, but one is more "polished" and refined - and expensive. But thanks for watching and commenting.
Kimber has never, to my knowledge, put a rail on any gun with a slide shorter than 5". And no, it's not a Wilson, but it shoots just as well and is just as reliable. Thanks for watching.
For real.... the disrespect. They are leagues apart. I own 4 Wilsons and have sold 30+ other guns. I have no desire for any other brand. They are superb.
@James-un2zj, as much as I like a grip safety on a pistol (I'm a devoted 1911 guy and usually carry a Staccato C), there are many folks who hate them. Even Wilson has abandoned the grip safety on their EDX X9 and SFX models.
The name has held true for a long long time. IMO no customer service is more tentative. Only complaint I have is my custom cqb has made me hate every other gun I fire 🤷🏻♂️ That being said I like Kimber for their price points. And being that I don’t have one currently I will almost certainly be picking this up since I’m in the market for a double stack 9 or a rapide for another 45. I hear good things and quite frankly RIA disappointed me thoroughly with my dud of a last purchase.
Got a KDS9c the other day and took it to the range yesterday. Suffice to say I left with a smile on my face.
Thanks for watching.
As a Master Pistol Smith who does it for a living, I didn't expect a great deal from the Kimber. Yes, I bought one. It looked nice, it felt good, and I was curious. It has been totally reliable. I too polished the feed ramp. It ran fine without that, but it never hurts. The only deficiency I found was the trigger. There was some grit and creep, and the trigger bow was a bit on the loose side. I addressed those issues (took about 30 minutes) and I have a wonderfully crisp and clean 3.5 lb pull. I've shot it quite a bit since. I still haven't had a malfunction (I am squarely at 900 rounds). I am not ordinarilly a Kimber fan. I won't say this has turned me into one, but I do really like this pistol. With a red dot I hit some pretty small stuff at 25 yards!
Thank you for watching and thanks for weighing in with your experience.
I own four Kimber pistols. I bought two of them in 2007, one of them in 2008 and the most recent one in 2021. Each and every time I've pulled the trigger on any and all of them, they've gone bang, with the exception of two defective rounds in the past nearly twenty years that failed to fire despite good primer strikes (not the pistol's fault). Never a jam, ever.
I enjoyed seeing the comparison to the CZ and hope you continue to throw that into the comparison mix.
I do need to get the CZ P01 out a little more often. Thanks for watching.
Love the review. Look forward to range video. Love the comments on resets
One range trip down and in the process of editing. This definitely qualifies for a 1,000-round review. As always, thanks for watching.
I went for the DWX and man it is amazing. The Dan wesson DWX is my most accurate pistol and it is nice.
Once I finish my range improvements I'll be on the hunt for the DWX compact at a decent price. (Pre-owned is fine.) Thanks for watching.
Interesting video. I’ve been very curious about this new offering from Kimber since I saw it at the NRA convention. I truly hope I can get my hands on one locally.
I found this at The Modern Sportsman. Ordered it Wednesday evening and it was at Ann Arbor Arms on Saturday - at $200 less than MSRP.
@@RidersRange Thank you. I’ll wait for your shooting impressions.
looking forward to the range test!
First shots range video is ready for editing. Should be up Tuesday morning, if all goes well. Thanks for watching.
Great Stuff! Thank-you Sir!
You own some great handguns.
Lots of fun! B9USA Sr.
Several mid-priced firearms, but only a couple of higher-end guns. I definitely admire your collection. And as always, thank you for watching.
@@RidersRange Thanks my friend.
Coming from someone who has shot over a million rounds through pistols in my life the kds9 is one of the smoothest out of the box guns I’ve ever had the pleasure of shooting for the price
I agree, with "for the price" being the operative term. Thanks for watching.
Another good video sir I think that's a very good comparison on the Wilson that's why I bought the Kimber cause of the very close of EDC for half the money plus it had a optics cut the Wilson didn't.
I might need to try one of these
It's not a Staccato or Wilson, but I certainly don't regret buying it.
I have a Wilson Combat SFX9 3.25 I really like it but I'm also interested in this Kimber as part of my carry rotation! Looking forward to range review before I make final decision!! 👍
A couple hundred rounds through it yesterday. Range review should be out in a couple days. Thanks for watching.
I had actually forgotten all about this pistol...thanks for the intro.
I haven't seen much advertisement from Kimber on this, which surprises me. Thanks for watching.
Just out of curiosity, what did the Kimber run you??
$1,299, no cc fee and $10 shipping.
@@RidersRange Thank-you Sir.
My favorite pistol to shoot is my P-01. I love the look and similar features of the KDS9C. I really want one
The KDS9c was just released, so I'm surprised that they are selling for less than MSRP. But that's still double the price of a P01. Thanks for watching.
Revisited this video and now I’m thinking that it would be great to see a comparison of the KDS9, the Apha Fox Trot and the CZ P01…great video by the way. 👍🏻
Hmmm....Great idea. Thanks. I may be able to do that before the end of the year.
Lets goooo, first comment!
Looking forward to watching this, thank you for everything you do Rider! - YB
Thank you for watching and commenting.
The Kimber certainly looks nice. 👍👍👍👍
Not quite the attention to detail that one finds on a Wilson, but nice for what it is. As always, thanks for watching and commenting.
Wednesday am video just hit my feed today. Up on Mackinaw Island eating breakfast and enjoying your video. Hope all is well with you and your family. Can do brother bee!
Once again, thank you for watching and commenting. Enjoy the island and watch out for the tourists on bicycles.
Glad they went with the external extractor!!!
It does work. Thanks for watching.
Can't wait for part 2. I wished they made a rail.
I'm hoping to have the range review up by Tuesday morning, maybe sooner, unless UA-cam for some reason deems it not suitable for all advertisers and I have to request a manual review. As to the rail, if there is enough demand, I imagine it could happen, but I haven't seen Kimber do a rail on anything smaller than a full-size 1911. Thanks for watching.
The Wilsonx9 is almost 3 grand compared to the $1300 I paid for the Kimber. Most guys at the range wouldn’t buy either due to their prices and today’s economy; both are very niche pistols. Thanks for your vid. Semper fi🇺🇸
I'm with you on that. Thanks for watching.
Beautiful pistol. Looking forward to more videos on this one.
I'm 700 rounds into my 1,000-round test, so I hope to have the next KDS9c video up in a couple weeks. Thanks for watching.
Really like the Kimber. Your wedding band is pretty darn sweet too.
Thanks for watching.
I love my kds9c, almost 300 rounds so far.
You are a little ahead of me, but I plan to catch up. My goal is to have my 1,000-round review ready in two weeks. Thanks for watching.
Any reliability issues?
@@RepentorPerish77 none, 400 rounds flawless.
Wilson makes pistols that work.
Kimber had the greatest number of “return to manufacture for repair or warranty” than any other manufacturer in the time I spent working in gun stores. Their 1911s just weren’t reliable.
I keep reading about problems with Kimber handguns (mostly anecdotal), but my personal experience has been the opposite. This is my 19th Kimber handgun (including a whole bunch of 1911s from Ultra Carry to full-size, a couple Solos, several Micros, R7 Mako, EVO SP and K6) and, other than having to break in a couple of the 9mm 1911s, I haven't had any issues, even with the Solo. It could be that I've just been lucky, but I would think that if they really had systemic issues, I would have experienced at least one over the years, considering how much I've shot them. But thanks for watching and adding the info.
MANY years in the gun biz in the biggest gun stores in a HUGE market. Exactly the same experience with Mimbers.
@007Chancellor, I know Kimber went through a period of QC issues a while back. They also seem to sell more 1911s than most other manufacturers (just my personal observation), so I'd be interested in the percentage of returns based on number sold, not just the raw numbers. That would be a more meaningful indication of problems. Thanks for watching and adding to the discussion.
My 4 Kimbers have been good, but my son YB will not own one for more time then a video or two. YB then sells them to me or others that are interested. He is a big Springfield Armory MilSpec Fan and owns 4 or 5 of them including two-tones that he changed over himself for a Custom MilSpec look that you can’t buy from the factory in that configuration. Best, B9USA. 😎🇺🇸👍💥💥🎥🧟♂️
@@RidersRange I'd say we sold more Springfields in general. The RATE OF RETURN on the Kimbers was much higher. I found Kimbers to be like the little girl with the curl. 🤣 When they were good, they were very very good. But when they were bad they were HORRID! One went back to the mother ship three times - and still wasn't reliable.
This is a very easy choice for me. I would buy the bull armory SAS II!
I like Bul guns, but the grip shape on the SAS II makes the gun harder to conceal and it just doesn't fit my hand like the grip on the Kimber, or even the grip on the Wilson.
So when presented options A and B; you chose option 5.
Agree, handled one today (the KIMBER) felt light and cheap. I would also go with the bull armory or the sig226 SAO
I very happy with mine. 200 rounds of 115 ball and two mags of 124 HST. All good so far. I was saving up for the EDC X9 then this came out. I’m sure the EDC 9 is nice but + $2000 nice, I’d have to shoot one to tell. In reality a Glock 19 does all the same things so I think for me it’s a pride of ownership thing with these more expensive guns than a functional thing.
Thanks for watching and for your comment. I carried a Glock of one model or another for 24 years, but nothing beats the trigger on a 1911-style pistol and Wilson's are among the best.
That is very true. I get a lot more pleasure shooting a 1911 than a Glock for sure.
Would like to see a comparison between the Kimber and the Dan Wesson DWX compact
They are both available with optic cuts and bottom rails now also
@googlechicken, my LGS just got a DWX Compact in and I handled it (but couldn't shoot it - brand new and for sale). As soon as I can get my hands on one to shoot, I WILL do a comparison.
@@RidersRange look forward to it thanks for the response
But why no tac rail????????? That bummed me out pretty bad.
Historically, Kimber has only put a rail on their full-size (5") guns. And as much as folks seem to want a rail, maybe Kimber realizes that there is no real need for a rail on a concealed carry gun. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@RidersRangeno need for a rail on a carry gun!? There should only be rails on carry guns lol
@@Joeshmoshoots definitely if you carry at night. Positive identification is your best friend. But I get it if they don't normally do it, just kinda weird with how the current markets going. And what people are asking or looking for.
Thats the sole reason I won't be getting one for now. I prefer 4.25 ish barrel with a full size light for my carry guns, and I can't believe they did no rail..
For @quayshawndameron1349, @joedoolittle9481 and @danielmattera4298, please remember that if you point a weapon-mounted light to get "positive identification", and it turns out that the person doesn't warrant deadly force, you likely have committed a felony by pointing a gun at someone without justification. I know, I know - weapon-mounted lights are what the police use (different mission than ordinary civilian defenders) and its what the tacti-cool folks use, so everyone feels they need one, and of course, that necessitates a rail. I'm not a lawyer, but I did spend 38 years in law enforcement and I have discussed this with may lawyers - prosecutors and defense attorneys - and the consensus is that a citizen should NEVER use a weapon-mounted light to identify the target. Use a high quality hand-held light to make identification (preferably from behind cover) and only use a weapon-mounted light once you have determined that the person needs to be shot. But again, I do thank you for watching the video and adding your thoughts.
Should compare at the range to a CZ Shadow 2 compact in this mix.
I'd love to do that comparison, but I don't have the Shadow Compact. Now, if someone volunteers to loan me one.......
Different priorities, I suppose, but I don't have to and won't spend close to $3k on a handgun. $1.3k I can live with. Good video.
Thank you for watching and commenting.
Depends on how much you shoot, how long you’ve been around guns, and your taste in general. I’ve been shooting for years and am bored with the normal offerings on the market. Currently selling off some guns that I don’t shoot anymore and put the money into a Wilson. You get what you pay for.
@@benjamin3290 fair. I have things that I spend more money on too, such as watches and outdoor gear. I'm just not going to go above the mean on firearms.
It's a nice looking pistol which Kimber has a good reputation for producing, however I personally would need some range time to feel this Kimber out before I even begin to think it would compare to the Wilson. Wilson is way more then looks.
After spending some time with the Kimber on the range yesterday, I'm more conscious of the differences between it and the EDC X9, but I'm going to withhold judgement until I have at least 1,000 rounds through it. As always, I thank you for watching and commenting.
@@RidersRange Yeah ,me personally I already laid down the cash for the EDCX9,I guess there's no reason for me to replace it. However as gun guys we just have to know LOL 🇺🇸💪🙏
The KDS9c won't replace my EDC X9, but it does feel a little better in my hand than the Wilson, but that's totally subjective.
I love my 2 Wilson of this type and the 1911’s of course. I always keep an open mind & I have 3 or 4 Kimbers in my collection. Great to see you both & stay safe out there. B9USA Sr.
@@BERETTA9mmUSA You guys stay in the AC.
I think it has a lot in common with the DanWesson DWX compact at a better price point. If it runs it’s a winner
So far, it's running 100%. Range review should be out in the next couple days. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Not a fan of that DW.
@@USMC_ it’s a well made pistol but I get why people would not like it. The lack of a rail or optic mounting capabilities is going to turn off a lot of folks. I’m a CZ fanboy so I love the ergos of the 75 mixed with that 1911 trigger and dot care so much about lights or optics on my daily carry piece
A Kimber is a damn fine tool. So What if it's not a Wilson.
After seeing so many videos of this compared to Wilson, that compared to Wilson i now know I made the right choice. Thanks Bill
Kinda like Ford vs Lincoln. Both will get you there, but one is more refined. Thanks for watching.
I like wilson but these are basically the same gun, its amazing how one is $1400 and the other is $2900. i dont like grip safetys so my only choices were wilson or atlas gunworks. im glad kimber made this, i will be buying this to fill the spot of 1911 in my collection. kimber did good.
The Wilson is more refined with more attention to detail, but each is just as reliable so far and the Kimber is every bit as accurate in my hands as my EDC X9. And strangely, the Kimber fits my hand better than the Wilson, but my wife says the EDC X9 fits her hand better than the KDS9c.
Before I watch, I’ll comment that as soon as I saw the Kimber for the first time (it was in person), I immediately thought it was a “copy” of the Wilson. Now, on to your show…
Close, but some subtle differences. Thanks for watching and commenting.
So subtle as to be inconsequential. Looking forward to the rest of your review.
The grip is s subtle departure from the Wilson and feels better in my medium-size hands. My wife, however, prefers the EDC X9 grip size and shape, but her hands are pretty small. Range video goes public at 5:00 EDT this afternoon.
An ounce or two heavier, a milliliter or two bigger, give me my CZ 75 Compact with De-cocker. Hard to beat.
i agree PCR or non omega P01.
@ropertallen8841, the big difference is the trigger. Virtually nothing beats the trigger of a good 1911-style pistol. The DA first shot, SA follow-up shots of the CZ75 may have a limited advantage, but also a distinct disadvantage. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I love my cz pcr! Perfect edc.
The Shadow 2 compact is about to hit the market soon… But nothing beats the speed and precision one can achieve with a nicely tuned single action trigger like you get in a nice 1911/2011 pistol. No DA/SA trigger can even get close really… And that’s why the 1911 design is still relevant well over a century after it was invented.
I agree. I have that CZ. Great pistol.
I just found your channel and I really appreciate how thorough you are. I have an EDCX9 that has close to 6000 rds through it. The trigger started out close to 3 lb 8 oz measured on my Lyman. I just measured it again at 3 lb 5.5 oz avg. I don't think Wilson would want to sell a carry gun in the less than 3 lb range. Maybe you should contact them? I don't suppose the Kimber will work with Wilson mags, will it?
I am not fond of carrying a pistol with a trigger lighter than 3 pounds, though I have made exceptions. For now, my EDC X9 is relegated to range fun, not daily carry, so I'm okay with that trigger.
The Wilson mags won't fit into the KDS9c, but Canik TP9 SFX mags will not only fit, they lock in and feed just fine. Unfortunately, the Canik mags won't lock the slide back on the last round.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I know you have an Alpha Foxtrot. After taking the Kimber to the range. In your opinion, how did it compare to the Alpha Foxtrot?
Both the KDS9c and AF S15 shoot amazingly well and are 100% reliable, though the Kimber feels a little better in my hand due to the contour of the grip. I wouldn't hesitate to carry either one. Check the video I posted yesterday to see the comparison with the KDS9c, AF S15 and a couple others. And thanks for watching.
Can either of them be decocked safely?
I'm not sure why you would want to de-cock a pistol, but doing so can be just as safe as de-cocking a revolver while exercising the proper safety procedures.
You can decock a Ruger and Smith and Wesson revolvers without danger of your thumb slipping off and firing the gun. Beretta and a lot of other semi autos have a decocker built into the safety. Its so you can lower the hammer safely when there is a round in the chamber.@@RidersRange
Because of the double action to single action on guns like HKs like the P2000 and the Sig P226-229 series. But the 1911s are single action only which means there is "some" risk when you decock the trigger with the thumb, especially when its slippery. IMHO. @@tmyers1492
Thank you for the information I have never owned a 1911@@daffidavit
Cocked and Locked 😊
Not having a rail may be a deal breaker for me which sucks because I was looking foward to kimber making a ds 1911
I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on my channel, so I won't dispense legal advice. I know that many folks insist on having a rail, generally to mount a light. However, for non-law enforcement people, mounting a light on a defensive pistol and using that light to identify whether or not someone is a threat can result in felony charges. But thanks for watching.
Kimber has higher beavertail position & slimmer grip.
I like my Wilson combat. That said they're overhyped. Looking back I'd never spend that much again. Although there are some advantages with the WC as opposed to the kds9c, theres not enough to justify the spread. Its hard to admit this considering the money i spent. That said, my opinion is obviously not the end all view. Buy what you will just keep your expectations within reason when spending over 3k for any firearm/s. On a final note & in an effort to be as fare as possible, the kds9c seems to error to the right no matter how straight you point. Not much worth talking about though.
I have the Kimber and the SFX9. Kimber is a good pistol. The Wilson is just so much more refined...i CARRY the wilson every day..IMO best bang for the buck is the BUL SAS II
The Bul is great, but somewhat hard to find these days and they still use the typical 2011-style blocky grip, which isn't very friendly for concealed carry. I agree that Wilson guns are more refined than Kimber. It's like comparing Lexus with Toyota, or Lincoln and Ford. Thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange I agree
Do either use MIM parts?
As far as I know, Kimber uses some MIM parts in virtually every pistol. Metal Injection Molding can be a problem if not done right, but Kimber has enough experience with MIM that there are rarely issues.
Looking forward to 1000 review.
700 down with 100% reliability. Should have 1K in the next week or so.
What have you heard on the kimber kds9c optic plate
Kimber CS is saying "about six weeks".
10rd double because not all of us plan to stay in these states, and it's easy to go from 10 to 15, if the mag is designed for it.
Thanks for covering these. In the end for me…..neither. 😊
People want 2011s with 10 rnd mags in restricted states so when mag bans get shot down we can get real mags for them. I also want to switch to a 9mm from a 45 auto so might as well get a 2011 since the mag capacity is the only thing I would like to change from a 1911
Any IWB holster recommendations for the Kimber KDS9c?
It may depend on whether you have one without a rail, or with a rail, or an optic with the taller sights. My KDS9c doesn't have a rail and it fits in holsters made for a Commander-size 1911 and my Wilson EDC X9. I'd try Muddy River Tactical to see what they say. They have always been very responsive and they ship very quickly.
Just curious, do the magazines interchange?
No. The Kimber mags are proprietary.
I'm saving up for a double stacked 1911. I've been looking around from Dan Wesson DWX Compact, Staccato C2, Wilson SFX9, to a Bul SAS II. Now, a double stacked Kimber 1911 pricing lower than the guns that I've been looking around? I might just buy one to see for myself. Kimber reputation has really gone downhill over time, but this may be something that'll help them get better again.
I just picked up a DWX Compact and I'll be reviewing it in the very near future. As to Kimber's reputation, much of that is Internet hype. Granted, Kimber pistols aren't the same quality as Dan Wesson pistols, but currently have 14 Kimber pistols (and one Kimber revolver) and my daughter has 3 (2 of them used to be mine) and they are all holding up just fine. Thanks for watching and good luck with your decision making.
What do you think about tisas br9 carry or kimber KDS9 c for conceal
It's personal preference (and body size, carry position, etc.), but the B9R Carry, like most double-stack 2011-style pistols has a large, bulky grip that doesn't lend itself to concealed carry for most folks. The KDS9c is much easier to conceal, in my opinion. (The Dan Wesson DWX Compact is similar in shape to the Kimber, and may even dethrone the KDS9c, if range work goes as I think it will. Tabletop review coming out on June 30, range review to follow.) Thanks for watching.
This one has been on my short list.
I'd probably like your list.
Interesting. I've never heard of the KDS9c. I guess now that I'm done buying guns, I don't search out new stuff the way that I used to?
I first heard about it after the ShotShow videos started coming out around February (?) Cool to see them finally hit the market
@traeucity6087, "done buying guns"?? How can one ever be done? Remember the formula that determines how many guns you should own: N+1, where N is the number of guns you currently have. Thanks for watching.
@WN_Byers, thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange , I had to face reality. I have a large gun collection, but my wife and kids are not into guns. I saw a UA-cam video of a young man showcasing some 1911's that belonged to his elderly neighbor, who had recently passed away. The neighbor was in the same predicament as me, so he asked his younger neighbor to help his wife sell off his guns after he was gone. I heard a similar story from a local man, who had called in to one of our local radio stations because he was dying, and wanted some advice on what to do with his considerable gun collection. I've been whittling down my collection; focusing on getting bucket list guns.
@traeucity6087, "bucket list guns" are always a good goal. My wife is okay with expanding my collection, maybe as a hedge against inflation?? When I'm gone, if there are any left, my daughter gets the collection and there are some that I will never sell.
Both beauties ,,,,,,can’t go wrong with either ,Thanks
True. Thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange I live in Massachusetts and Wilson and most Kimber’s are not on the compliance list plus we are limited to 10 round mags, your lucky….if it wasn’t for family I’d be out of here
It's a shame that several states, yours included, won't allow you to own some fine guns. But, that 10-round mag limit has really reduced crime, right? (Said dripping with sarcasm.)
@@RidersRange yes, we have too many idiot in public office, time to vote them out….
But does Kimber use MIM parts? I have had issues in the past with MIM parts going out of spec and requiring tuning. I had a sear break on a Springfield. I modify any pistol with MIM, especially 1911s. I think Kimber copied the Wilson, especially the rail version.
Yes, Kimber uses MIM parts. However, MIM done right is seldom a problem and I haven't had any issues with any parts on any of my Kimbers. As to copying Wilson, there are definite similarities, though the grip contour on the Kimber feels better to me than the more rounded grip on the Wilson. However, my wife (smaller hands) prefers the grip feel of the EDC X9 over the KDS9c. Thanks for watching.
Your voice sounds like Hickok45 😊
Thanks, but I think I need to work on my Tennessee accent.
Compare a C2 with the Kimber
I have the C2 and it is fine in its element, but discrete carry isn't where the C2 works best. The blocky grip shape isn't as concealable as the more rounded grip shape of the EDC X9 or the KDS9c.
I had a WC EDC X9. I just had to have one. Then once I had it I just couldn't bring myself to like. It was like finally going out with the HS cheerleading only to find out she was boring.
Hmmm.....great analogy. Thanks for watching.
This story hurts my heart
I got mine 2 weeks ago. let me tell you it JAMS. What a surprise
Two weeks ago?? At the NRA convention Kimber was touting an August release, so I was pleasantly surprised to find them on the market the end of July. As to jamming, I've run more than 300 rounds through mine so far with a variety of ammo from 90 grain to 150 grain flat nose without a single jam. I did clean it and lube it well before I took it to the range.
I had one come in 2 weeks ago too. Do either of you know if yours came with an optics plate or when they will be available?
They don't come with optics plates. According to Kimber Customer "Service", optics plates "should be available in about six weeks".
Do they say it needs a break in?
Gotmine a few days ago. 200 rds through it no jams. Never had a jam on my Kimber Rapide Dawn, Mako R7 or KHX. Also, love their revolvers.
be careful with the optic plate screws, the heads strip easy.
I didn't have any issues when I installed my optic, but thanks for the heads-up. And thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange one of the other youtubers had his strip out. Honest Outlaw I think
The Kimber is 846 at midway USA now! I just grabbed one
$846??? Wow!.
@@RidersRangeyep. The deal is still there online. A handful left
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I have the Wilson combat exterior double stack Commander. There is literally nothing that can compare to the xperior The fit and finish is unmatched nothing on the pistol rattles when you shake it and if you shoot bad with a Wilson it's definitely because you just shoot bad
I admit the Wilson Experior is well made and highly accurate, but not everyone can, or chooses to, afford a Wilson. For those who are more financially frugal, either out of necessity or by choice, the Kimber delivers the same level of performance.
And here I am looking fir a $300 rig 😢
You are about ten percent there if you are looking at these guns. Unless you are just looking for a gun to make you look cool you are going get just as much if not more functionality out of a Glock, Sig or even Ruger
Buy the most expensive gun u can afford then u only cry once. Plus ammo is where rhe expensive is at!
Look at the p10c from cz ,😮I have seen them for 300. the caniks I have seen for about the same. and with rebate my buddy got a shield plus for just under 4 hundred out the door .and the ruger security 9 and 380 can be had for about that .all great carry guns
My CGW Custom CZ P01 replaced everything in my carry rotation. Haven’t found anything that matches it yet
Thanks for watching and adding your thoughts.
Ive had 3 wilsons. X9, experior ds and x9s and they are great guns but way overrated imo. I dont know anything about the kimber. Looks nice though.
The KDS9c has a lot of the same features as the EDC X9 and so far, it's accurate and 100% reliable. But the Wilson obviously has greater attention to detail. Thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange Great review! Love your reviews btw! The wilson more then likely has better parts as I dont know what kimber uses but the wilson has zero fitting, zero barrel fit and the math on the the sample i seen reviewed just wasn’t good. So realistically, what are you getting for all that extra money? A production gun is still a production gun no matter what name is on the side of it. All my wilsons ran great, especially the x9 and I ran it hard and fast. With that said, i still wouldn’t buy another one unless it was well under 2k. My bul viper comp that’s 3.25 inch barrel runs circles around the x9 and its over 1k cheaper. 😂
@tjc501, thanks for adding the info. I wouldn't pay $3K for an EDC X9, but I was happy to buy a gently pre-owned one a couple years ago for $2K. Kimbers in general are true "production" guns - more CNC, less hand fit - while Wilsons are a cross between production and semi-custom. Kimber uses some MIM parts, but I don't believe Wilson does, though there's nothing wrong with good MIM.
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HELP Holsters IWB an OWB for Wilson
I have the SFT 9 and the SFX 9. I've tried several holsters. Found palmetto leather. Best IWB holster I've had. Love mine
First 3 mins of this video and I can see the sharp edges, unsmooth action, and not so good finish. I would LOVE someone to come in and top Wilson at this price, but jeeeez there's so much left on the table and Kimber continues to confuse us with their weird design touches. None of what they're doing is good looking - just make the classic lines and checkering to a double stack. It would look so much more classic. Take more time and round those sharp edges and they'd still be 60% of the cost.
I don't know what it would cost to melt the edges and hand fit the action, but I have to bet it would bring the price up a whole bunch. And yes, Kimber does generally seem to go by the philosophy that "an ounce of image is worth a pound of performance", but in this case, the performance is there, even though the refinement isn't up to Wilson, or even Dan Wesson, standards. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Just put 200 rounds thru My new kimber kds9c and wow what a gun! Love it. Besides a rail I can't think of a way I'd improve it. Kimber hit a home run. I paid 1369 bucks at cabelas minus 5% for veteran status.
Most people would benefit more from a, $600 pistol and $700 worth of training & ammunition
I agree. Thanks for watching.
@Doggleggit’s my first. Can’t wait to pick it up.
The 2 pound Wilson trigger is a little laughter imo for a duty carry gun
I agree. Generally, 3 pounds is my threshold.
Wilson is to light a pull for an edc pistol for my taste
I agree. That's why I rarely carry it. Thanks for watching.
I would not consider these guns for my carry gun. Without a grip safety I would be concerned about accidental discharge. To me these double stack 9mm are not real 1911 without the grip safety. I would like to see someone come out with a real double stack 9mm.
Check my videos on the Alpha Foxtrot S15. The original version was nice, but the revised version checks almost all the boxes.
No such thing as a ACCIDENTAL discharge. They a NEGLIGENT discharge. Don't sound like Alec Baldwin.
I would rather have the range bag then the plastic box you have to store.
Range bags seem to be "the thing" on higher priced guns these days.
I've got a Wilson EDC 9 you are wasting your time comparing that to any 9 mm carry gun. I've got Sigs Glocks and HnK none of those stamps chance against my Wilson
I like the Wilson EDC as well, I just picked up the new Dan Wesson DWX compact, thing is a freaking Tac Driver
@randallvickers8509, it'a hard to beat the quality of any Wilson, but the comparison stands with guns of similar size, capacity and purpose. The Wilson is a Lexus, compared to the Kimber Toyota. A little more polished and refined, but both just as reliable and accurate. Thanks for watching.
@coryenglish4479, I'm still waiting to get my hands on the DWX. If and when I do, it will be an interesting comparison to both the EDC X9 and the KDS9c.
I own plenty of all th brands you named! The Wilson does not compare to any of my Glocks for torture test and water tests! With maritime spring cups my Glock functions flawlessly in any wet or dry conditions. My Wilson’s (yes plural) have had more malfunctions than any if my Glock pistols!
But if forced ro choose the Wikson Combat would be my choice
As much as I really like my EDC X9, the KDS9c fits my hand so much better. Thanks for watching.
Identical?Wilson is all forged parts and hand fit. Mimber is cheap MIM internals. I own an edcx9 and have owned a MIMber cdp 1911. The Kimber was the worst pistol I’ve ever owned. The slide stop and thumb safety, both MIM broke within 500 rounds. I sold it and never looked back. I’d never buy another Kimber.
I don't believe I ever said the KDS9c was "identical" to the EDC X9, though they are very similar in form and function. Yes, the Wilson is better made, much like a Lexus is a "better" Toyota. But not everyone is willing or able to buy a Lexus, just like not everyone is willing or able to buy a Wilson. And both the EDX X9 and KDS9c are accurate and will serve the needs of most folks. Thanks for watching. And by the way, I'm not a Kimber "fan-boy", but I have several Kimber pistols, some with several thousand rounds through them, and I've never had a MIM part break.
Who shives a git. 😊
For the money, as long as you get a reliable one. I’d go with the Kimber and just change out the bs mim parts for machined ones. Would still be cheaper than the Wilson. MIM parts work fine and don’t magically break like people say as they get through hardened but they still annoy me on 1911’s only. I still swap them out despite this being unnecessary.
I like Wilsons but I think their a bit overrated. 1911's and 2011's in general are expensive af, (in most cases overpriced even though i love them), and Wilsons are more expensive than the average Stacaato and i liked them as much or more than the nicest Wilson i've had. I'm not saying they're bad or anything, but in the world of overpriced double-stack 1911's - Wilson Combat guns are somehow more overpriced than most
Paying for the hand fitting and attention to detail. Though as I showed a couple times in my Great Affordable 1911 Series, the right $400 1911 can work just as well as one costing four times as much. Thanks for watching.
The KDSBR549 is exactly how I'd imagine Kimber would dick up a double stack 1911.
Different strokes for different folks. My Kimber has been 100% reliable through 850 rounds with a wide variety of ammo, all without cleaning after the original inspection. And it really does feel better in my hand than my EDC X9 does. (But my wife likes the feel of the Wilson better. Go figure.) Thanks for watching.
Mimber did a decent job of imitating the WC. But I'll take the original, TYVM 🤣
Kinda like Ford vs Lincoln. Lincolns are up-scale Fords with more features and attention to detail for a lot more money. With Wilson you are paying for that attention to detail and hand fitting, which is lacking on the Kimber. But so far, both are 100% reliable and equally accurate. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Come on there is no comparison here The only thing you can compare is the silhouette. Fit finish in materials are not on the same planet
The goal was to compare function, not fit and finish. The KDS9c is to the EDC9 as Toyota is to Lexus - they both do the same job and just as well, but one is more "polished" and refined - and expensive. But thanks for watching and commenting.
Simple, it doesn't. They aren't even in the same division...no sure what Kimber was thinking with the lack of texture, and lack of rail.
Kimber has never, to my knowledge, put a rail on any gun with a slide shorter than 5". And no, it's not a Wilson, but it shoots just as well and is just as reliable. Thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange Price wise the Kimber is 1/3 the price of the Wilson so it seems reasonable to me.
Not all want a rail. Not everyone is a tactikool brah.
just get a high point guys works just as well
A Ford Focus will get you places, but some folks prefer a Lincoln. Thanks for watching.
ROTFLMFAO. WHAT A IGNORANT COMMENT!!! YOU CAN KEEP YO HIGH POINT. YOU MUST BE?!
@@RidersRange agreed long as it gets you there
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Why is he struggling to catch his breath?
Who is?
How dare you...
For real.... the disrespect. They are leagues apart. I own 4 Wilsons and have sold 30+ other guns. I have no desire for any other brand. They are superb.
Is that you, Greta? 😂
@@Ephesians-ts8ze channeling my best...😀
Don't stick around for the range test...there ain't none.
I already did the initial range review, incase you missed it. The 1,000-round review is still a couple weeks away.
Kimber looks cheap
Got one last week, looks alot better in person.
Pffff
if you think a Kimber looks cheap, than you probably think a Hi-Point pistols are the King of firearms
Guess I have cheap taste 😂
No grip safety means this gun will be a dismal failure.
Pretty ignorant statement.
What? Tell me you're old without telling me you're old. People don't want grip safeties. Pin that shit, ranger band it, get rid of it or something.
@James-un2zj, as much as I like a grip safety on a pistol (I'm a devoted 1911 guy and usually carry a Staccato C), there are many folks who hate them. Even Wilson has abandoned the grip safety on their EDX X9 and SFX models.
@@Osprey1994 I'm 45 and prefer a grip safety. It's ok you and your boyfriend don't.
good to see another man who bites his fingernails not afraid to show it in a closeup
Actually, I don't bite my fingernails. But thanks for watching.
If you prefer the Wilson Combat outright.........congratulations! You're a closeted lefty and prefer buying a name over anything else!
The attention to detail on the Wilson is hard to beat, but both guns are 100% reliable and equally accurate. Thanks for watching.
Wow, why?
The name has held true for a long long time. IMO no customer service is more tentative. Only complaint I have is my custom cqb has made me hate every other gun I fire 🤷🏻♂️
That being said I like Kimber for their price points. And being that I don’t have one currently I will almost certainly be picking this up since I’m in the market for a double stack 9 or a rapide for another 45. I hear good things and quite frankly RIA disappointed me thoroughly with my dud of a last purchase.
@@damonspinelli1352 my grandad swore them off based on functional issues and their crappy service.
HELP Holsters IWB an OWB for Wilson
Duplicate comment.
Check out the ones from Wilson Combat directly or precision holsters