my favorite twist rate...i can shoot 55 grain match loads at about 1 inch at 100 yds in my testing, and everything up to 77 grains under an inch, i'm a happy guy. i even fire a good amount of 22LR now with this ammo shortage using the CMMG Bravo conversion kit, and i've never done an accuracy test with it at 100 yards but at shorter ranges i will call it pretty decent accuracy, certainly way better than i expected using 40 grain 22LR bullets that aren't meant for 1-8 twist
You could have rehearsed your answer, done it in one take, removed the cuts, and eliminated the Umms. All we needed to know is that 1:8 will stabilize anything that can fit into an AR15 magazine, so why bother with the potential downsides of a 1:7 barrel with potentially poor quality bullets.
Thank you for so easily answering this question sir. As soon as I read your response I was able to stop watching this video. Now I can continue my research for my build. 🤣
I have a DSG upper with a 1/8 twist and it’s great with heavy bullets (68 to 77 grns). however I have consistently been disappointed with 55 grn at 100 and 200 yards. 1/8 might as well be 1/7. I prefer 1/9 due to all my 1/9 barrels show very accurate results at 100 and 200 yds, and it has done very good groups with the heavier type projectiles also.
Yep, same here. My old ass bushy 1/9 barrel is an absolute tack driver with everything except 77s, which I never shoot anyway since I can never find it on the shelves and its far too expensive when it is. I shoot almost nothing but 55 or 62gr and 1/9 is definitely the ticket for that. So what does everyone under the sun sell? 1/7. Derp.
I'm all for a 1:8 twist barrel. My only concern is, will the rounds that your using in your particular gun still be able to have the same terminal performance they would have in a 1:7 twist barrel?
Terminal performance will likely be unaffected since that’s mostly based on pressures and velocity. The only way you will lose it is if a heavier weight bullet doesn’t have enough spin to stabilize… which isn’t likely in a 1:8. At least within reasonable distances. Every bullet begins to tumble at some point
One in seven twist rate works just fine it was also intended to stabilize Tracer rounds better it does the job apples and oranges I've had excellent results with 55 grain all the way up to 77 grain with my one and seven twist rate really getting finicky here one in eight twist rate also does fine with those bullet weights
I got a faxon, gunner profile, "match grade" barrel a few months ago. 223 Wylde, 1:8, 16 inch. It SUCKS. I have an $80 barrel from Bear Creek Arsenal that's way better. And I have a TRUE match grade barrel from Wilson Arms. The faxon flat-out SUCKS
That’s the barrel game my friend a good barrel maker will make 100 barrels and 90 of them will shoot 10 won’t a shitty barrel maker will make 100 barrels 90 of which won’t shoot 10 of which will. Obviously these numbers are not representative of the reality just using them to draw a picture. Faxon builds a decent barrel for the money I think you can do just as well spending less but don’t let one bad barrel make up your mind forever my 2 cents.
Mr. Faxon should take some public speaking classes. When I said some I mean a lot. I've haven't listened to that many ah's and um's since I caught someone in a lie. Some people shouldn't open there mouths in public a you are that some.
That may be the longest explanation I've ever heard that still left me confused.
In other words he has no clue as to why faxon went with the 1/8 twist instead of the 1/7 twist.
I thought he said this: You will not be able to load a bullet in an AR-15 magazine that can not be stabilized by a 1:8 twist.
Well, that is a one minute question that he took a half hour to answer.
Shitty answer too. "Because it's valid"
And still didn't answer
Answered like a politician
He stumbled like a drunken sailor. Was that first or second hand knowledge/ opinion or just good old BS?
I wish you asked someone else this question. I couldn’t stand to hear this guy talk in circles.
my favorite twist rate...i can shoot 55 grain match loads at about 1 inch at 100 yds in my testing, and everything up to 77 grains under an inch, i'm a happy guy. i even fire a good amount of 22LR now with this ammo shortage using the CMMG Bravo conversion kit, and i've never done an accuracy test with it at 100 yards but at shorter ranges i will call it pretty decent accuracy, certainly way better than i expected using 40 grain 22LR bullets that aren't meant for 1-8 twist
This guy should be a politician I forgot what the question was after a while Pretty sure he never answered it anyway
Drink when he says “um”
Oh shit!!!
Well umm… I was hoping for a much better answer.
You could have rehearsed your answer, done it in one take, removed the cuts, and eliminated the Umms. All we needed to know is that 1:8 will stabilize anything that can fit into an AR15 magazine, so why bother with the potential downsides of a 1:7 barrel with potentially poor quality bullets.
Thank you for so easily answering this question sir. As soon as I read your response I was able to stop watching this video. Now I can continue my research for my build. 🤣
1:8 is all I'll buy
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I have a DSG upper with a 1/8 twist and it’s great with heavy bullets (68 to 77 grns). however I have consistently been disappointed with 55 grn at 100 and 200 yards. 1/8 might as well be 1/7. I prefer 1/9 due to all my 1/9 barrels show very accurate results at 100 and 200 yds, and it has done very good groups with the heavier type projectiles also.
Yep, same here. My old ass bushy 1/9 barrel is an absolute tack driver with everything except 77s, which I never shoot anyway since I can never find it on the shelves and its far too expensive when it is. I shoot almost nothing but 55 or 62gr and 1/9 is definitely the ticket for that. So what does everyone under the sun sell? 1/7. Derp.
In a 3:24 video...more ummm...and blather than information. Never again
That is why all my AR target barrels are 1/8, in fact all my barrels regardless of application should be 1/8.
I'm all for a 1:8 twist barrel. My only concern is, will the rounds that your using in your particular gun still be able to have the same terminal performance they would have in a 1:7 twist barrel?
Terminal performance will likely be unaffected since that’s mostly based on pressures and velocity. The only way you will lose it is if a heavier weight bullet doesn’t have enough spin to stabilize… which isn’t likely in a 1:8. At least within reasonable distances. Every bullet begins to tumble at some point
I have never found an AR round that couldn't be stabilized in a 1:8 twist. I find mostly 1:7 lately, but always had great luck with 1:9 too.
Omg this dude is annoying spit it out already
1/3 of the answer was um and uh.
One in seven twist rate works just fine it was also intended to stabilize Tracer rounds better it does the job apples and oranges I've had excellent results with 55 grain all the way up to 77 grain with my one and seven twist rate really getting finicky here one in eight twist rate also does fine with those bullet weights
Can you shoot 75grain ammo on 223 wylde with a 1:8 twist Rate & get proper Stabilization?
Yes
One and eight with a mid gas system it it obviously over gases and puts more energy behind the projectile
Dude ... Uuuhm ... You talk? Like uuuhm a little? Girl uuuhhm from uuuhm 12? Uuuhhhm year old?
Yknow um
Have y’all not done any test using the 1-7 and 1-8 with same loads / etc etc and seeing which one will reach further before tumbling ?
That's not how it works.
Why 1:8 for your 300blk? I’ve always been under the impression that 1:7 was ideal for that caliber. Especially subs.
i have a 8 twist 18' socom from yall and its a beast
1:8 is the Fonz right now.
What grain bullet do you recommend in a 1:8 twist 16" barrel?
Most 55 thru 70gr bullets work ok in the 1-8 twist, in the AR platform. At least i`ve had no issues using 55 to 70gr.
@@D70340 thanks. I've decided to go with 62 grain. In the middle kinda.
@@chrisgutzman4919 hopefully not green tip
So I can still fire M855 62gr out of a 1/8 twist barrel? Cause Sig uses 1/8 in their M400 rifles and that's my next purchase.
Yes, and they actually do very well, if YOU do your part.
Unless your shooting 77 or 72 grain pills..... For a "match" grade barrel. How about you at least offer a 1:7 or a 1:7.5 barrel
77gr TMK is only marginally stable out of a 1:8
This is objectively not true.
I got a faxon, gunner profile, "match grade" barrel a few months ago. 223 Wylde, 1:8, 16 inch. It SUCKS. I have an $80 barrel from Bear Creek Arsenal that's way better. And I have a TRUE match grade barrel from Wilson Arms. The faxon flat-out SUCKS
I'll take it off your filthy hands!
That’s the barrel game my friend a good barrel maker will make 100 barrels and 90 of them will shoot 10 won’t a shitty barrel maker will make 100 barrels 90 of which won’t shoot 10 of which will. Obviously these numbers are not representative of the reality just using them to draw a picture. Faxon builds a decent barrel for the money I think you can do just as well spending less but don’t let one bad barrel make up your mind forever my 2 cents.
Uuuuhm ... I uuuuhhhm guess this guy uuuuhhhm is fired and uuuhm doesn't work there uuuuhm anymore😂
Mr. Faxon should take some public speaking classes. When I said some I mean a lot. I've haven't listened to that many ah's and um's since I caught someone in a lie. Some people shouldn't open there mouths in public a you are that some.
Should have been 1:7.
No dam reason to go with 1:8 with an AR just stick with 1:7.