Hey bro, what the heck is going on here? You used to be the cool tech guy. What happened to the leapfrogging tech leaks? C'mon man, at least give us one. You tech guys already know UA-cam won't allow us to publish any comment announcements on this subject matter. If we did, they'd end up ghosting our posts. 😅
I for one will wait for X3D no mater what. If they announce it now or later makes no difference. I really doubt that potential X3D buyers would jump at any initial non-X3D offerings despite any cost warnings or clarity on timing, which no company is going to disclose in any case.
same once you go x3d as a gamer, you don't go back unless you're needs dramatically change. sounds like my 5800x3d might be ready to get relegated as a 2nd machine for something.
Same, reason I didnt upgrade from 5800x3d to 7800x3d was the prizes of the mobo and ram. Also there was no real insentive to upgrade as I was not cpu limited, mostly my 6900xt was.
the problem is that with V-cache, you need to know that the games you're playing will be accelerated by it. Without that guarantee, you may be better off sticking with vanilla, as the higher clock speeds are better in some games. V-cache is cool, but it's not always the way, even as a gamer.
I was upgrading from an overclocked 8-core Xeon on X79. Ancient, I know, but it held up surprisingly well. Despite Zen 2 and 3 being massively successful, I skipped the 5800X3D on principle. I didn’t want to beta-test the stacking of temperature-sensitive SRAM on a high-power CCD, especially at the end of AM4. So when the 7800X3D came out, I jumped on it and built a whole new rig. Best CPU purchase I could have ever made. Now what I want to see for Zen 5 is AMD releasing a 12-16 core where both chiplets have V-cache. With the improved fabric speed, that would be insane.
@@chrisdum7140 Intel's already in a tough spot, any brain working gamer knows AMD is the best for it. And even then for working tasks intel is inconvenient with having to upgrade mobo each gen and on top of that the high inefficiency of their CPUs. The only thing going for intel is higher ram speeds while still being stable.
Bro, you don't have to keep spending a chunk of every video defending how right you were about something. You'll never win over certain people and it's just exhausting to listen to.
I get why you might feel that way. On the other hand, I also get why Tom feels the way he's doing - just imagine having your credibility questioned over and over again when all you're doing is giving it the best you can. I'd wager that you couldn't refrain from a little "told you so" yourself, now would you? I myself won't throw the first stone, that's for sure. Cut him some slack.
I don't like the F versions. I prefer high quality silicon. That model its like the tier that didn't pass qc after qc, not even the graphics die. I would just wait for a good deal, either team Red or Blue. I would buy Zen 4 if the price is sweet or with a big discount.
It goes against AMDs interest to announce their full lineup so early with prices. Allows Intel more info to price more competitively and will lead to problems if any changes happen half a year or more later. Not announcing gives AMD much more flexibility.
Agreed, AMD frequently adjust pricing a few months after launch. It'd be a rod for their own back to announce intentions, particularly if the 9600x3D @ $330 gaming CPU were true.
@@tringuyen7519Is Arrow Lake a joke? There are definite concerns after Meteor Lake anti-Centrino moment, as old leaks claimed comparative IPC & performance gains as % better than MTL
You have got to be kidding. Get the 7800x3d immediately. Every time I go to the usa I buy one of these combos. The price is so good on that it is crazy. Don't... wait...
Zen5 9800X3D probably early December 2024 or January 2025, for the same $449. There still isn't a 7600X3D, why would they release a 9600X3D? I don't believe the 9600 launching early for $229, it's just going to be the 9600X for $299, given the Zen4 line up.
5800X3D launched 4/22 7800X3D launched 4/23 9800x3d probably 4/25 my prediction. Leave it up to AMD to not take advantage of of potential 5090 owners looking to mitigate CPU bottleneck for 3 quarters. Hopefully Intel will deliver some competition until then.
Who the fuck buys 6 cores in 2024? 8 is sweet spot, have been for years and still is. More than 8 cores does very little in very few games. 6 cores on the other hand, is much slower in some of the new games. Unless you are building a low end pc, you need 8 cores.
@@cosmicusstardust3300 yea.. you still have 8 p-cores(normal cores) so im not sure how you think saying "apps and games work fine" is a good argument against apps not utilizing the other 16 e-cores on your processor
@@brandonr2188 You really don't understand or experience because I'm kind of a great player as well as a competitive Tournament player to use all the applications like headphone benefits, Macro keyboard benefits, game mode benefits, mouse benefits, also sound benefits, etc. quite a bit. Anti-cheating is legal as a great Intel player calls for winning many games and if it is worth saying that AMD is very weak that it cannot be made all the applications, it means that AMD players lost to win the Tournament if it existed World talks about Giant World Cup Tournament PC, I don't know what you're talking about
@@nicane-9966 First, we don't know. MAYBE Rockstar announces GTA 6 for PC Day 1. Second, exactly. If you buy GPU when GTA 6 for PC comes out, the prices will be inflated. Best to buy when the game hasn't come out.
There is no chance that gta 6 will launch on pc with consoles to maximize those consoles buyers. I know people who are waiting to get this gen xbox or ps5 just because of gta 6.
I hope you have or get some extra for RDNA 4 aswell soon, more details about rt perf, clearer info of where the cards will land in terms of raster... Etc I
This is just wrong. The clock frequency has nothing to do with the number of cores, it's all about binning and power limits. The 5800X3D clocks up to 4.5GHz, more than the 5600X3D at up to 4.4GHz.
@@normative1058 Why do you have to buy the non-x3D version? The wait won't matter that much, surely? Since it's only 4 months, and the 8700K should last you until then.
@@predabot__6778 life isnt easy for us 8700k users but thanks for giving me strenght. I will try to survive with this core speed, core clock and ipc and hope I dont crash in to the sun bro.
Personally, I'm looking to upgrade one Zen5X3D and Arrow Lake are both out and reviewed. The sped up interconnect sounds nice too, maybe some of those little issues with the 16 core 3D variant will be worked out.
Sounds interesting enough if we get that level of IPC improvement! Can't wait for cimputex updates And like everytime thanks Tom and his team for working hard ❤.
Tom has been the best leaker and analyst in the industry for years now... if you still doubt him or his sources you simply haven't been paying attention.
Motherboard prices and lack of a ddr4 option is what hurt zen4 sales. CPU prices were a bit high as well, but that's a distant third. If I could have gotten a decent 650 MB at or below $150 and moved my ram over I might have done so. But a full platform replace with a mediocre MB costing $200+? hard pass.
the CPU price hasn't really been an issue imo, but rather the motherboard prices. What I want to know, will these new CPUs still run fine on current socket 5 mobos.
Should run fine on Zen 5 release day with the obligatory (and standard) BIOS update. They can’t have people buying those boards at Microcenter along with Zen 5 chips and not having them work together. That would be a disaster for everyone involved (AMD, motherboard maker, and retailer), and they’ve done this enough times by now with AM4 that they know how to release new BIOSes for older boards.
I have a 5600x paired with a 3080 and it does everything I want just fine. Gaming at 1440p video editing. Would it be faster to edit with a 8 core or higher yes but I'm not craving to have more CPU power as of yet
I still wonder if one of the main reasons AMD have 'stagnated' at 16 high performance cores is that dual channel memory can't feed much more than that?
1.) A 9600X3D would age horribly with many modern games already using more than 6 cores and for AMD it is the same cost as a 9800X3D. Those few CCDs with 1-2 defective cores can be easily be sold for 6 cores non VCache for office use. 2.) The 9600 non X sounds like the 65W office version. I am pretty sure both 9600 and 9600X exist, but not sure if both will launch at computex. 3.) The reason why Zen4 reception was so poor was because boards were 300$ compared to 100$ Zen4. DDR5 also still was more expensive.
Same as Netflix wondering why people don't watch their new shows. Because you're going to cancel it, so what's the point in investing time in a multi-season arc from a book trilogy, when we know you'll cancel it? Just announce you bought the trilogy so you're making the whole thing and have done. If we had a reasonable amount of information about the upcoming hardware, we could make better decisions about what to invest in and most of us only want to do this every two years (but actually don't really want to do it because it's a hassle, and can't afford to, so probably upgrade every 4-5 years). The only bit that's really easy to upgrade most of us care about is a graphics card, and even then, who seriously gets a new one every year or two?
Hold on bro gota 5950x and 7900xtx wc and oc to the top. When the 9000x3d comes out z870 boards price will have stabilized and most important rtx 5000 price and avalebility too! So if you want real performance gains hold of for 6 month or so!
Agree with other commenter about not needing to defend yourself or say how right you were previously. I mean it kindly because I'm sure being in the limelight people attack you etc, but those of us who listen to you do so because we believe you and want to know information and it's a bit tiring to listen to . Keep doing what you do, the haters will be haters
@@mortlet5180 we will have to see what AMD produces, after all I’m not a CPU designer. I was assuming it’s due to AVX512 instructions being clocked at slightly slower speeds but moving all the data at once and therefore the 30% increase after changes were made. This could be wrong and I’m fine with that but we will have to see what AMD has at the launch instead of speculation.
I have no desire for more cores at this time, 8 is really solidly overkill for gaming, let the games catch up and see slight benefits from 10 and 12 cores (whenever that will be?). I would love to see, a unified "High end desktop" platform in many years to come where there's chipsets like today, but you need the X _ _ 70 or whatever, to get the threadripper replacements, that would be really really nice, and maybe a return of quad channel memory while they're at it, economies for scale with a single slightly large socket, not a threadripping beast size, that'd be cool.
X3D is king, 9600X3D whould be the most popular processor on the market and the only processor I whould recommend for most of my customers buying processors for cs2 competetitive etc.
Don't be so silly. Obviously it's a map of the roads that they will travel down in order to deliver all of the different plans for their different architectures to their engineers.
When they release X3D will depend on how much pressure Arrow Lake puts on them. If Arrow Lake is the real deal they'll probably try to pull X3D in as much as they can and launch around Christmas or CES next year. If Arrow Lake doesn't pressure them that hard I could see a launch as late as Q2 next year. Depends.
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE that the SMART thing for AMD to do is release the WHOLE LINEUP and PRICE along with ROUGH RELEASE DATE all at COMPUTEX... when are they gonna learn that they keep ending up only competeing with THEMSELF when it comes to CPU
My personal experience with E-Cores is that they f'ed with my (more complicated than most peoples) audio setup, what regularly lead to buzzing, until i turned my interface on and off again. Disabled them and everything worked fine. Conclusion: No E-Cores for me. The problem is now also that im kinda bummed out to upgrade from my 12400F, because i would need to buy a CPU, where i had to disable one of their main features. xD
Very very likely zen6 will get a core count bump. From what Tom has leaked, zen6 will have more than 2 variants of chiplets, while the "standard" zen6 core variant presumably will be 16c/CCD, the Zen6C version 32c/CCD. They're also working on a "client dense" variant, presumably for desktop Ryzen. Zen6 will also rearrange the chiplet layout (on-die stacking I think?), so it is not very clear how the Ryzen desktop config might look like, but I would say up to 32 cores of whatever is perfectly reasonable to expect (They can theoretically go higher with two CCXes, but at some point the two memory channels won't be enough to feed that many cores).
If I was AMD I wouldn't even launch a regular 9800X at the launch of Zen5. I would fast track specifically the 9800X3D and announce/launch it at the same time as the rest of the regular Zen5 lineup. It's by far the most in-demand X3D chip and it would make the launch of Zen5 far more exciting/hype. With how it is now, where the launch of the new gen feels like it isnt truly launched until the X3D chips drop.
got a 5950x now and i the 9xxxx series will be a moment for me to consider a update but i want to aim for a X3D model so if they are not sharing those i will wait until more info is shared about those and wait until then.
Was thinking of building a PC in a SFF case. If the new CPUs are pretty good or if the current gen gets a good discount, I'd probably get a 8 or 12 core CPU and a mid-high end GPU. So if new Ryzen and Radeon release with good price/perf, I'd make a new system with them
I've been waiting for Zen 5, partially the new architecture ,partially the new motherboard. Connectivity has kinda sucked on AMD boards in comparison to Intel. TOM, START DOING POLLS ON HERE!
Personally I want 9950X3D with both CCDs having Vcache. That and the typical first gen problems with AM5 ironed out would make me consider switching from my 5800X3D.
AMD needs to fix this the 12-core models! I've had a 3800X and 5800X and very likely will buy Zen 5 at/near launch. I'd like to get more cores, but the 900X having two cut down 6-core CCD's makes me sad. I wish they would give you an 8-core CCD + a 4 core CCD.
I felt the same with the launch of Zen4, enthusiasts held off on 7000 series initial launch because they could wait for v-cache models and budget conscious stuck with 5000 series due to the steep prices of the X skus. They should do away with the X models and launch with non-X and X3D. non-X is best value per core and X3D is best performance per core.
I purchased a 5700x because it was way cheaper than the 5800X3D, Then AMD released a 5700x3d which I 100% would of purchased instead if I only knew it was going to exist, maybe its a win for AMD to of had less money sooner instead of more money but it doesn't change that they got less money. In addition to this when I next buy a cpu if there is a chance theres going to be a more desirable chip later I will either wait or just buy the Intel chip thats competitive assuming it exists and is available because this experience has left me less happy as a customer than I should of been and my last two Intel chips didn't give me any dissatisfaction
The fact that I had to pay $370 for a motherboard with latest CPU compatibility and 40 Gb per second USB connectivity in 2023 from AMD is ridiculous. Laptops had 40 Gb per second USB since 2016. This USB for standardization is long overdue.
I want 8 cores, not interested in 6 anymore. 7700 for below 200$ is tempting, but i've waited this long, i can wait for affordable 8 cores of zen5. Probably after arrowlake comes out
Could they do a single CCD 9900X3D? I remember another leak on this channel saying they were going to be able to make 16-core CCDs but that might have been for Zen 6 actually...
They will have the Zen5c variant of chiplets with dense cores. Theoretically they could make a single chiplet 16 core, even with X3D cache, but that part would probably lose in most gaming scenarios to the 8 core non-dense variants, as the dense cores don't clock as high.
@@deansmits006probably. The zen4c dies were not designed with those vias to allow slapping on a cache die. They could design a zen5c or future dense chiplet with them though, but you're right, they'd have to have a very good reason for that, as that does make the dies bigger, kinda defeating the purpose of dense cores.
AMD should do themselves a favor and axe the 9900X3D from the lineup entirely. The 7900X3D never sold all that well no matter the price, and it’s really not a mystery as to why. If you’re strictly gaming, the 7800X3D is the clear and obvious choice from both a price and performance standpoint, and nobody who wants the best of gaming and productivity performance was ever going to buy it over the 7950X3D. There isn’t really a market in between that a 12 core V-cache SKU appeals to. I agree with you, Tom, that AMD should announce Zen5X3D alongside Zen5 at Computex. If they wish to wait till after CES 2025 to actually launch it, then perhaps they can just announce the 9800X3D and 9950X3D at Computex with a Q1’2025 timeframe to give people an idea as to when they will be available, then formally unveil specs and prices at CES with availability shortly thereafter. I think an initial Zen5 lineup along these lines will be would be ideal: 9600X @ $250 9700X @ $400 9900X @ $500 9950X @ $700 Then, along with the formal unveiling of the 9800X3D @ $450 and 9950X3D @ $700 at CES, AMD could announce an official price cut to the rest of the lineup to help combat Arrow Lake and make room for X3D in the lineup; 9600X @ $220, 9700X @ $350, 9900X @ $475, 9950X @ $650. I like the idea of a 6 core 9600X3D at $300, but I believe it would be a mistake to launch alongside the initial lineup, as I think it would jeopardize putting the 9800X3D in a weird spot. Instead, I think AMD would be wise to hold off until around Q3’2025, which will likely coincide with the gradual downward drift in sale prices on the rest of Zen5. By this point, I could see the 9600X commonly sold for around $200, and the 9800X3D likely around $400. Here, the 9600X3D would slot in perfectly at $300, and I believe it would be well received. It’ll also be at a time when many early AM5 adopters will be thinking about an upgrade, as they’ll be approaching the 3-year mark since they jumped to AM5. It would also appeal to the mid-range consumers who built their PCs around the start of the pandemic or just before, who are likely sitting on Intel 9th and 10th Gen rigs, or Zen 2/3. They’ll be going on five years since they last upgraded their CPU, and the 9600X3D would be a perfect mid-range option at $300. That’s just my two cents on how AMD should approach Zen5 as a whole, as I think there are some marketing lessons to be learned from Zen4, and Arrow Lake is going to be serious competition that needs to taken seriously, so AMD cannot afford to sit on their laurels and treat this like they did Zen3.
@@brandonr2188 sure, but if 2 more cores almost costs 2x as much then a 6 core with 12 threads that is ample for 95% of games that aren't AAAA trash. I can assure you the 9600x3d will sell 10x more than the 9800x3d. It up to AMD to decide on release date and pricing. I just hope the 9600x3d does not become another USA microcentre exclusive...
With prices as they are - like motherboards costing as much or more than a CPU, i just want new gen stuff to release so i can buy current gen due to a "hopefully" price drop. X3D will not happen before Q1 and i don't expect much more than a memory controller upgrade and slightly higher clocks with little more power draw. I rather get a 7950X3D by the end of the year instead of a overpriced product for only 10% more performance next year.
Waiting 3 or 6 months to save $20 doesn't make sense in technology. If you know what is coming you are less likely to get buyers remorse and resentment in brands,
I'm hoping/waiting for a 16 core X3D CPU that has the 3D V Cache on both chiplets. I'm currently on a 5950X which is still plenty of power for me, so I don't feel the need to take the plunge on AM5 until they have exactly what I want.
Either the X is the typo or the 65W TDP is disinfo, wouldn't the X products all be 105W at the least? Or did I miss AMD making big claims about power efficiency this gen?
If USB4 starts only with the 870 chip, then I'm going to wait and see at what TDP this chip comes with. When the X570 came out those needed a fan... I hope that doesn't happen again D:
4:30 I dont know about average consumers, but me, and where i work, dont like mixed core architectures. Either give me a 6 P core 12400, or give me a 24 E core 12430E roughly the same die area, difference performanec profiles One would kill in homelab, the other kills in general desktop use
I have a 7950X3D. If the 9950X3D is just "a copy paste" with 15% IPC uplift and a 5% clock bump... I'm not biting. If, however, AMD launches an 8 Zen5X3D + 16 Zen5c part I WILL bite. Even if it's $900. A 20% reduction in compile times is nice, but not something I'm going to shell out $600 for. A 50-60% reduction in compile times IS worth shelling out a lot for.
@APU-iGPU I switched to a 7800x3d from a 5900x and I frequently run 3 VMs. These cpus are just so fast they run anything I throw at them. When I have to program equipment in production plants, my laptops just feel so slow now. I would love a dual ccx high density cpu, though. I would get that just to test.
@@charlesg5085 Good to hear that. I assume that 3D V-Cache might be one of the reason behind the VMs running that fast. And if AMD has plans to launch 32C/64T processor this gen or by Zen 6, then I would happily buy it for simulation, testing, and running multiple VMs at the same time.
"A 50-60% reduction in compile times IS worth shelling out a lot for" is > 2X speed (more than 100% speed uplift). Not sure you will get that even with Zen6.
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Hey bro, what the heck is going on here? You used to be the cool tech guy. What happened to the leapfrogging tech leaks? C'mon man, at least give us one. You tech guys already know UA-cam won't allow us to publish any comment announcements on this subject matter. If we did, they'd end up ghosting our posts. 😅
I literally can't escape AliExpress ads rn.
Fully agree they should announce the full line up.
It wouldn't discourage me from buying a product, it would lock me in on which product i want.
EXACTLY!
My 1800x has lived a long prosperous life. This is the year it will be replaced.
Are replacing socket or just the cpu?
so did my 1700 before i upgraded it for a 5800x3d last december
my 4790k is telling me its tired
@@SnoopGotTheScoop still on 4 core cpu very impressive
same for my 1700x ..7 years passed so quickly don't they?
I for one will wait for X3D no mater what. If they announce it now or later makes no difference. I really doubt that potential X3D buyers would jump at any initial non-X3D offerings despite any cost warnings or clarity on timing, which no company is going to disclose in any case.
same once you go x3d as a gamer, you don't go back unless you're needs dramatically change. sounds like my 5800x3d might be ready to get relegated as a 2nd machine for something.
Same, reason I didnt upgrade from 5800x3d to 7800x3d was the prizes of the mobo and ram. Also there was no real insentive to upgrade as I was not cpu limited, mostly my 6900xt was.
Yep. i'll wait for a 9800X3D. If it's stupid priced I will wait until end of Zen5 line or just wait for the new intel platform.
the problem is that with V-cache, you need to know that the games you're playing will be accelerated by it. Without that guarantee, you may be better off sticking with vanilla, as the higher clock speeds are better in some games. V-cache is cool, but it's not always the way, even as a gamer.
I was upgrading from an overclocked 8-core Xeon on X79. Ancient, I know, but it held up surprisingly well. Despite Zen 2 and 3 being massively successful, I skipped the 5800X3D on principle. I didn’t want to beta-test the stacking of temperature-sensitive SRAM on a high-power CCD, especially at the end of AM4. So when the 7800X3D came out, I jumped on it and built a whole new rig. Best CPU purchase I could have ever made. Now what I want to see for Zen 5 is AMD releasing a 12-16 core where both chiplets have V-cache. With the improved fabric speed, that would be insane.
a $250 9600x3d that can hit 5.5 would sell like crazy.
Would be the best priced performance CPU of the year
Would put intel in a tough spot
@@chrisdum7140 Intel's already in a tough spot, any brain working gamer knows AMD is the best for it. And even then for working tasks intel is inconvenient with having to upgrade mobo each gen and on top of that the high inefficiency of their CPUs. The only thing going for intel is higher ram speeds while still being stable.
@@chrisdum7140 Especially if it has a good IPC improvement over Zen 4
Too good to be true
Bro, you don't have to keep spending a chunk of every video defending how right you were about something. You'll never win over certain people and it's just exhausting to listen to.
It's a bit narcissistic. I get tired of the ego boosting every video as well.
Same.
Agree, I try to skip through it which gets tiresome, to make it easier I speed up the videos to 1.5x which is the fastest speed I can still follow.
I get why you might feel that way. On the other hand, I also get why Tom feels the way he's doing - just imagine having your credibility questioned over and over again when all you're doing is giving it the best you can. I'd wager that you couldn't refrain from a little "told you so" yourself, now would you? I myself won't throw the first stone, that's for sure. Cut him some slack.
Indeed, better to stop doing that. The people that are watching already know.
I still hope your theoretical 8X3D+16C CPU comes out, and that you get plugged in the announcement, eg "This is for you, Tom."
Please release faster Zen 5, so I can buy Ryzen 5 7500F cheaper
it will not be cheaper within a year, when the cheaper versions of zen5 launch and they get lowered in price.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j i doubt even then
@@user-wq9mw2xz3jdisagree, it's already much cheaper leading into the launch of Zen 5 than what it was originally.
Its 140€ on AliExpress rn.
I don't like the F versions. I prefer high quality silicon. That model its like the tier that didn't pass qc after qc, not even the graphics die. I would just wait for a good deal, either team Red or Blue. I would buy Zen 4 if the price is sweet or with a big discount.
It goes against AMDs interest to announce their full lineup so early with prices. Allows Intel more info to price more competitively and will lead to problems if any changes happen half a year or more later. Not announcing gives AMD much more flexibility.
Giving Intel info on CPU pricing? Intel’s Luna Lake & Arrow Lake are jokes! Regardless of pricing, neither will sell well at all!
there's also that consumers are VERY critical if the slightest deviation of what has been announced happens.
Agreed, AMD frequently adjust pricing a few months after launch.
It'd be a rod for their own back to announce intentions, particularly if the 9600x3D @ $330 gaming CPU were true.
@@tringuyen7519Is Arrow Lake a joke? There are definite concerns after Meteor Lake anti-Centrino moment, as old leaks claimed comparative IPC & performance gains as % better than MTL
Well this is tough, a Microcenter just opened up in my city and I have been waiting so long to upgrade
You must be in Charlotte. I'm in raleigh and spending the weekend there when these release. I can't wait...
Great bundle deals…. I got a 7700X and it’s been great. Thought about getting an X3D but no real gains for me…
You have got to be kidding. Get the 7800x3d immediately. Every time I go to the usa I buy one of these combos. The price is so good on that it is crazy. Don't... wait...
@@farmeunitany of those combos are fantastic... the prices are half what I would pay where I live
Nice to see a fellow black man in the space. @mickeymmcbride71
A 9600 X3D released before Christmas would be awesome.
Zen5 9800X3D probably early December 2024 or January 2025, for the same $449. There still isn't a 7600X3D, why would they release a 9600X3D? I don't believe the 9600 launching early for $229, it's just going to be the 9600X for $299, given the Zen4 line up.
August 2025….
@@louisfriend9323 Timing would be amazing for me nonetheless. I'm idly thinking about just dropping for a new rig altogether next year.
5800X3D launched 4/22
7800X3D launched 4/23
9800x3d probably 4/25 my prediction.
Leave it up to AMD to not take advantage of of potential 5090 owners looking to mitigate CPU bottleneck for 3 quarters. Hopefully Intel will deliver some competition until then.
Who the fuck buys 6 cores in 2024? 8 is sweet spot, have been for years and still is. More than 8 cores does very little in very few games. 6 cores on the other hand, is much slower in some of the new games. Unless you are building a low end pc, you need 8 cores.
A six core v-cashe chip would be a winner big time.
See 5600X3D, price to performance monster, though it came out a little too late and in only one store chain
Games use 8 cores why would anyone buy 6 core..
@@normative1058 😂 Ok.
6 cores is starting to become marginal for gaming for AAA titles.
@@AndyViant Don't buy garbage unoptimized games and a Ryzen 5 9600X3D will last a lifetime, how about that
I am amped for these new chips.
I literally waited for the 7800X3D to release to buy it and I expect that cached type of chip will be my next build one day.
Can't wait to see the upgrade to the 7950x3D
10-20% my guess
7800X3D is where you compare tho?
The follow up to the 7800x3d is far more interesting to me. I'm very curious if they can convince me to upgrade.
people avoiding E cores bcs apps still not using those properly -_-
I have an i9-13900K and I have all my apps and games working just fine, don't know what you're going on about
@@cosmicusstardust3300 yea.. you still have 8 p-cores(normal cores) so im not sure how you think saying "apps and games work fine" is a good argument against apps not utilizing the other 16 e-cores on your processor
@@brandonr2188 You really don't understand or experience because I'm kind of a great player as well as a competitive Tournament player to use all the applications like headphone benefits, Macro keyboard benefits, game mode benefits, mouse benefits, also sound benefits, etc. quite a bit. Anti-cheating is legal as a great Intel player calls for winning many games and if it is worth saying that AMD is very weak that it cannot be made all the applications, it means that AMD players lost to win the Tournament if it existed World talks about Giant World Cup Tournament PC, I don't know what you're talking about
@@lightward9487😂 stroke?
@@lightward9487did you get brain damage from the heat generated by your Intel cpu?
Been holding off buying new gen for this release.
Same
I bought the 7600 to wait for 9800X3D.
I'm holding on to GTX 1070 until GTA 6's announcement, then buy the GPU that best suits me at that time.
@@ShadowbannedAccountGTA for pc not before 2026...
@@nicane-9966 First, we don't know. MAYBE Rockstar announces GTA 6 for PC Day 1.
Second, exactly. If you buy GPU when GTA 6 for PC comes out, the prices will be inflated. Best to buy when the game hasn't come out.
There is no chance that gta 6 will launch on pc with consoles to maximize those consoles buyers. I know people who are waiting to get this gen xbox or ps5 just because of gta 6.
So true, if AMD sells an X3D Ryzen 5 they can take my money
I want an 9800X3D for my system.
I hope you have or get some extra for RDNA 4 aswell soon, more details about rt perf, clearer info of where the cards will land in terms of raster... Etc I
I’m holding out hope of 5080 equivalent performance or $500 that could sell really well too
@@Hh-tu5bhThat ain’t happening. No 5080 perf for below $700. Do you want AMD to operate at -20% margins?
X3D is amazing with 6 cores, because then you can keep the clock speeds up. Look at the 5600x3d vs the 5700x3d
This is just wrong. The clock frequency has nothing to do with the number of cores, it's all about binning and power limits. The 5800X3D clocks up to 4.5GHz, more than the 5600X3D at up to 4.4GHz.
Aren’t you chucking yourself with the algo by posting at midnight? ❤️ regardless what a surprise thanks!!
Zen5% HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Zen 5 will be punching B holes.
I have to buy the non 3xd version. I am running 8700k still... I trust it will be good chip
@@normative1058 Why do you have to buy the non-x3D version? The wait won't matter that much, surely? Since it's only 4 months, and the 8700K should last you until then.
@@predabot__6778 thx for the support. Times are rough for us 8700k users maybe I might try waiting even if I die bro. You made me stronger.
@@predabot__6778 life isnt easy for us 8700k users but thanks for giving me strenght. I will try to survive with this core speed, core clock and ipc and hope I dont crash in to the sun bro.
You've been accurate with most of your leaks, I literally don't care what your "debunkers" say.
Do you think about your impact on tech social media? Your videos are the topic of basically every other video in this category on UA-cam.
If the Zen 5 uplift is equivalent to what Zen 2 managed from Zen+, I think we'll be in a good position.
That AI Tops figures are fucking crazy...
Personally, I'm looking to upgrade one Zen5X3D and Arrow Lake are both out and reviewed. The sped up interconnect sounds nice too, maybe some of those little issues with the 16 core 3D variant will be worked out.
Sounds interesting enough if we get that level of IPC improvement! Can't wait for cimputex updates
And like everytime thanks Tom and his team for working hard ❤.
Tom has been the best leaker and analyst in the industry for years now... if you still doubt him or his sources you simply haven't been paying attention.
Well i got excited 😊. Please keep us up to date
Motherboard prices and lack of a ddr4 option is what hurt zen4 sales. CPU prices were a bit high as well, but that's a distant third. If I could have gotten a decent 650 MB at or below $150 and moved my ram over I might have done so. But a full platform replace with a mediocre MB costing $200+? hard pass.
Well, DDR5 prices have come down, so have the price of the boards. So... Its not the worst proposition nowadays
Dude are you ok?
Umm... Ddr4 will probably hinder performance my guess
I went with the B650M Aorus Elite AX mATX because it was pretty good for the price. Paired it with a cheap CPU, and haven't looked back.
I think the lack of entry level zen 4 ryzen 3 is the major factor that slowing down AM5 sales
Yes doubt makes a lot of people think “eh I’ll just get an intel now”
the CPU price hasn't really been an issue imo, but rather the motherboard prices. What I want to know, will these new CPUs still run fine on current socket 5 mobos.
Should run fine on Zen 5 release day with the obligatory (and standard) BIOS update. They can’t have people buying those boards at Microcenter along with Zen 5 chips and not having them work together. That would be a disaster for everyone involved (AMD, motherboard maker, and retailer), and they’ve done this enough times by now with AM4 that they know how to release new BIOSes for older boards.
I think most people check benchmarks, not count cores.
I have a 5600x paired with a 3080 and it does everything I want just fine. Gaming at 1440p video editing. Would it be faster to edit with a 8 core or higher yes but I'm not craving to have more CPU power as of yet
讲的好透彻，我很期待zen5的尽快上市销售，因为我已经受够了我自己的5950x低负载下突然重启
Always appreciate your content and info. Thanks for your perspective and not overhyping with click bait nonsense.
Do you think upgrading to whatever the 9950X3D will be is gonna be worth it from the 7950X? I'm a developer
Don't do that. Don't give me hope! I've been waiting for you 9600X3D!
6-cores with V-cache...yes please
I still wonder if one of the main reasons AMD have 'stagnated' at 16 high performance cores is that dual channel memory can't feed much more than that?
Probably. Zen 7 or whatever they might rename it to night change this with ddr6. Or maybe the hybrid type of stuff that intel did.
Strix point efficiency and power consumption should be front and center for AMD vis a vis ARM competition.
1.) A 9600X3D would age horribly with many modern games already using more than 6 cores and for AMD it is the same cost as a 9800X3D. Those few CCDs with 1-2 defective cores can be easily be sold for 6 cores non VCache for office use.
2.) The 9600 non X sounds like the 65W office version. I am pretty sure both 9600 and 9600X exist, but not sure if both will launch at computex.
3.) The reason why Zen4 reception was so poor was because boards were 300$ compared to 100$ Zen4. DDR5 also still was more expensive.
Same as Netflix wondering why people don't watch their new shows. Because you're going to cancel it, so what's the point in investing time in a multi-season arc from a book trilogy, when we know you'll cancel it? Just announce you bought the trilogy so you're making the whole thing and have done. If we had a reasonable amount of information about the upcoming hardware, we could make better decisions about what to invest in and most of us only want to do this every two years (but actually don't really want to do it because it's a hassle, and can't afford to, so probably upgrade every 4-5 years). The only bit that's really easy to upgrade most of us care about is a graphics card, and even then, who seriously gets a new one every year or two?
I'm unsure whether to upgrade and get the 7800x3d or wait till the 9800x3d releases?
Currently on a 5950x and i play a lot of games at 1440p on a 4080
Hold on bro gota 5950x and 7900xtx wc and oc to the top. When the 9000x3d comes out z870 boards price will have stabilized and most important rtx 5000 price and avalebility too! So if you want real performance gains hold of for 6 month or so!
Agree with other commenter about not needing to defend yourself or say how right you were previously. I mean it kindly because I'm sure being in the limelight people attack you etc, but those of us who listen to you do so because we believe you and want to know information and it's a bit tiring to listen to . Keep doing what you do, the haters will be haters
30% faster AVX512 results makes me think they are doing complete AVX512 instructions instead of double pumping like they did for Zen4.
Not having to double pump would be close to a 100% increase though...
Zen 5 is known to have single issue AVX-512.
@@mortlet5180 we will have to see what AMD produces, after all I’m not a CPU designer.
I was assuming it’s due to AVX512 instructions being clocked at slightly slower speeds but moving all the data at once and therefore the 30% increase after changes were made. This could be wrong and I’m fine with that but we will have to see what AMD has at the launch instead of speculation.
I have no desire for more cores at this time, 8 is really solidly overkill for gaming, let the games catch up and see slight benefits from 10 and 12 cores (whenever that will be?). I would love to see, a unified "High end desktop" platform in many years to come where there's chipsets like today, but you need the X _ _ 70 or whatever, to get the threadripper replacements, that would be really really nice, and maybe a return of quad channel memory while they're at it, economies for scale with a single slightly large socket, not a threadripping beast size, that'd be cool.
Agreed. But wouldn't it be nice if AMD can make 8 core CPUs in the 200 dollar price bracket?
I hope zen5 will run just fine on 670 boards
The series AMD should announce every gen has to be like below:
9000X
9000X3D
9000
9000F
9000G
Yea. A 6-core with V-Cache would be great!
I full agree with your suggestion with AMD's chip launch. I hope they listening 👂
X3D is king, 9600X3D whould be the most popular processor on the market and the only processor I whould recommend for most of my customers buying processors for cs2 competetitive etc.
"Literal road maps" interesting, do they use asphalt or more a kind of gravel or dirt road?
Don't be so silly.
Obviously it's a map of the roads that they will travel down in order to deliver all of the different plans for their different architectures to their engineers.
When they release X3D will depend on how much pressure Arrow Lake puts on them. If Arrow Lake is the real deal they'll probably try to pull X3D in as much as they can and launch around Christmas or CES next year. If Arrow Lake doesn't pressure them that hard I could see a launch as late as Q2 next year. Depends.
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE that the SMART thing for AMD to do is release the WHOLE LINEUP and PRICE along with ROUGH RELEASE DATE all at COMPUTEX... when are they gonna learn that they keep ending up only competeing with THEMSELF when it comes to CPU
Zen5 has zero competition. So just X line like all other releases. After 3-4 months x3d and non X lines
I’m seeing the 5900xt also. Do we have any idea if it will have a 3d vcache?
It would be smart to release a high end 7000 series on AM4.
My personal experience with E-Cores is that they f'ed with my (more complicated than most peoples) audio setup, what regularly lead to buzzing, until i turned my interface on and off again. Disabled them and everything worked fine.
Conclusion: No E-Cores for me.
The problem is now also that im kinda bummed out to upgrade from my 12400F, because i would need to buy a CPU, where i had to disable one of their main features. xD
Proper good job mate. The wizard of Moore.
Greetsz
Will Zen6 desktop get a core count bump or will desktop stay on 8c/CCD?
Very very likely zen6 will get a core count bump. From what Tom has leaked, zen6 will have more than 2 variants of chiplets, while the "standard" zen6 core variant presumably will be 16c/CCD, the Zen6C version 32c/CCD. They're also working on a "client dense" variant, presumably for desktop Ryzen. Zen6 will also rearrange the chiplet layout (on-die stacking I think?), so it is not very clear how the Ryzen desktop config might look like, but I would say up to 32 cores of whatever is perfectly reasonable to expect (They can theoretically go higher with two CCXes, but at some point the two memory channels won't be enough to feed that many cores).
Can't wait to buy new hardware. If I could pre-order now I would.
V-Cache > More Cores
V-Cache is the future.
If I was AMD I wouldn't even launch a regular 9800X at the launch of Zen5. I would fast track specifically the 9800X3D and announce/launch it at the same time as the rest of the regular Zen5 lineup. It's by far the most in-demand X3D chip and it would make the launch of Zen5 far more exciting/hype.
With how it is now, where the launch of the new gen feels like it isnt truly launched until the X3D chips drop.
I wish the APUs supported ECC without having to wait on a pro model. My next workstation - gaming rig will run the new am5 Epyc.
I recently bought a 16 core ryzen for less than $350.
I don't know what you are talking about.
When is AMD going to include an NPU in a high end desktop processor?
Tbh X3D cache is just so much better option at this point. Got r7 5800x3d and my next cpu will be AM5 8/16 x3d model.
will zen5's ddr5 8000 and if 2400 be supported on x670e, or only on 800 series boards?
I was doubtful about the path. But after pulling Epyc-on-AM5 out of the bag, I'm convinced that's where we'll see Dense on AM5 first - not Ryzen.
Hmmm...maybe...
I agree they should announce everything at Computex
got a 5950x now and i the 9xxxx series will be a moment for me to consider a update but i want to aim for a X3D model so if they are not sharing those i will wait until more info is shared about those and wait until then.
Was thinking of building a PC in a SFF case. If the new CPUs are pretty good or if the current gen gets a good discount, I'd probably get a 8 or 12 core CPU and a mid-high end GPU.
So if new Ryzen and Radeon release with good price/perf, I'd make a new system with them
I've been waiting for Zen 5, partially the new architecture ,partially the new motherboard. Connectivity has kinda sucked on AMD boards in comparison to Intel.
TOM, START DOING POLLS ON HERE!
I do from time to time...and maybe I will more in the future.... ;)
Personally I want 9950X3D with both CCDs having Vcache. That and the typical first gen problems with AM5 ironed out would make me consider switching from my 5800X3D.
What would be the benefit of both CCDs with V-cache? Not dissing or anything, just asking.
@@band0lero The less variables a scheduler has to deal with the better.
I will wait for the X3D.
So given almost no RDNA4 news at all in the last month, will it not show up at Computex at all? Why is it so quiet on the GPU front?
Good question
When AMD is silent on a topic it's most of the time not bad.
Going to guess it’s a Q1 2025 launch, and it’ll be announced at CES in early January.
They already came out saying it won't be a big leap performance wise. It's most likely seen as a rdna3 bug fix edition.
@@davidepannone6021 If it's 7900XT/XTX perf in raster with better RT at 7800XT/GRE price it's not bad for most people.
AMD needs to fix this the 12-core models! I've had a 3800X and 5800X and very likely will buy Zen 5 at/near launch. I'd like to get more cores, but the 900X having two cut down 6-core CCD's makes me sad. I wish they would give you an 8-core CCD + a 4 core CCD.
I felt the same with the launch of Zen4, enthusiasts held off on 7000 series initial launch because they could wait for v-cache models and budget conscious stuck with 5000 series due to the steep prices of the X skus. They should do away with the X models and launch with non-X and X3D. non-X is best value per core and X3D is best performance per core.
I purchased a 5700x because it was way cheaper than the 5800X3D, Then AMD released a 5700x3d which I 100% would of purchased instead if I only knew it was going to exist, maybe its a win for AMD to of had less money sooner instead of more money but it doesn't change that they got less money.
In addition to this when I next buy a cpu if there is a chance theres going to be a more desirable chip later I will either wait or just buy the Intel chip thats competitive assuming it exists and is available because this experience has left me less happy as a customer than I should of been and my last two Intel chips didn't give me any dissatisfaction
I am looking forward to the performance of these and also the new Intel CPUs, most likely will upgrade early next year.
The fact that I had to pay $370 for a motherboard with latest CPU compatibility and 40 Gb per second USB connectivity in 2023 from AMD is ridiculous. Laptops had 40 Gb per second USB since 2016. This USB for standardization is long overdue.
I want 8 cores, not interested in 6 anymore. 7700 for below 200$ is tempting, but i've waited this long, i can wait for affordable 8 cores of zen5. Probably after arrowlake comes out
Human eye can only see 9800x3d
Could they do a single CCD 9900X3D? I remember another leak on this channel saying they were going to be able to make 16-core CCDs but that might have been for Zen 6 actually...
They will have the Zen5c variant of chiplets with dense cores. Theoretically they could make a single chiplet 16 core, even with X3D cache, but that part would probably lose in most gaming scenarios to the 8 core non-dense variants, as the dense cores don't clock as high.
Aren't the dense cores too tight to fit the through - silicon vias?
@@deansmits006probably. The zen4c dies were not designed with those vias to allow slapping on a cache die. They could design a zen5c or future dense chiplet with them though, but you're right, they'd have to have a very good reason for that, as that does make the dies bigger, kinda defeating the purpose of dense cores.
AMD should do themselves a favor and axe the 9900X3D from the lineup entirely. The 7900X3D never sold all that well no matter the price, and it’s really not a mystery as to why. If you’re strictly gaming, the 7800X3D is the clear and obvious choice from both a price and performance standpoint, and nobody who wants the best of gaming and productivity performance was ever going to buy it over the 7950X3D. There isn’t really a market in between that a 12 core V-cache SKU appeals to.
I agree with you, Tom, that AMD should announce Zen5X3D alongside Zen5 at Computex. If they wish to wait till after CES 2025 to actually launch it, then perhaps they can just announce the 9800X3D and 9950X3D at Computex with a Q1’2025 timeframe to give people an idea as to when they will be available, then formally unveil specs and prices at CES with availability shortly thereafter.
I think an initial Zen5 lineup along these lines will be would be ideal:
9600X @ $250
9700X @ $400
9900X @ $500
9950X @ $700
Then, along with the formal unveiling of the 9800X3D @ $450 and 9950X3D @ $700 at CES, AMD could announce an official price cut to the rest of the lineup to help combat Arrow Lake and make room for X3D in the lineup; 9600X @ $220, 9700X @ $350, 9900X @ $475, 9950X @ $650.
I like the idea of a 6 core 9600X3D at $300, but I believe it would be a mistake to launch alongside the initial lineup, as I think it would jeopardize putting the 9800X3D in a weird spot. Instead, I think AMD would be wise to hold off until around Q3’2025, which will likely coincide with the gradual downward drift in sale prices on the rest of Zen5. By this point, I could see the 9600X commonly sold for around $200, and the 9800X3D likely around $400. Here, the 9600X3D would slot in perfectly at $300, and I believe it would be well received. It’ll also be at a time when many early AM5 adopters will be thinking about an upgrade, as they’ll be approaching the 3-year mark since they jumped to AM5. It would also appeal to the mid-range consumers who built their PCs around the start of the pandemic or just before, who are likely sitting on Intel 9th and 10th Gen rigs, or Zen 2/3. They’ll be going on five years since they last upgraded their CPU, and the 9600X3D would be a perfect mid-range option at $300.
That’s just my two cents on how AMD should approach Zen5 as a whole, as I think there are some marketing lessons to be learned from Zen4, and Arrow Lake is going to be serious competition that needs to taken seriously, so AMD cannot afford to sit on their laurels and treat this like they did Zen3.
I'd prefer a 9600x3d around black friday please...
bro why would you even want 6 core?
@@brandonr2188 7500f is as good as a 5700x3d. I'd take an 8core but I'm not paying 2x for 2 more cores...
@@brandonr2188because there is 0% difference between 6 and 8 core in most games.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j even now we are seeing games that utilize the extra cores. what happens in 2025? 6 core is the new 4 core.
@@brandonr2188 sure, but if 2 more cores almost costs 2x as much then a 6 core with 12 threads that is ample for 95% of games that aren't AAAA trash. I can assure you the 9600x3d will sell 10x more than the 9800x3d. It up to AMD to decide on release date and pricing. I just hope the 9600x3d does not become another USA microcentre exclusive...
Agree.. I would have bought AMD 7 series had they said the whole lineup.
I am holding out for the Ryzen 9x3d 32 core CPU maybe 24 core if it comes out early like now on AM5. Maybe Zen 6. Maybe on AM5?
wow mooreslawisdead thats a throwback
With prices as they are - like motherboards costing as much or more than a CPU, i just want new gen stuff to release so i can buy current gen due to a "hopefully" price drop. X3D will not happen before Q1 and i don't expect much more than a memory controller upgrade and slightly higher clocks with little more power draw. I rather get a 7950X3D by the end of the year instead of a overpriced product for only 10% more performance next year.
If IMC can go to 4000 it will be a huge increase (from 3000) and definatelly more than 10% perf gain.
How much improvement can we expect from 7800 to 9800x3d
10-15%
Waiting 3 or 6 months to save $20 doesn't make sense in technology. If you know what is coming you are less likely to get buyers remorse and resentment in brands,
I'm hoping/waiting for a 16 core X3D CPU that has the 3D V Cache on both chiplets. I'm currently on a 5950X which is still plenty of power for me, so I don't feel the need to take the plunge on AM5 until they have exactly what I want.
Zen 6 is the one you want to upgrade..........simply monumental.
Either the X is the typo or the 65W TDP is disinfo, wouldn't the X products all be 105W at the least? Or did I miss AMD making big claims about power efficiency this gen?
Zen 5 is built on 4n unlike zen 4, so may make sense.
If USB4 starts only with the 870 chip, then I'm going to wait and see at what TDP this chip comes with.
When the X570 came out those needed a fan... I hope that doesn't happen again D:
4:30 I dont know about average consumers, but me, and where i work, dont like mixed core architectures. Either give me a 6 P core 12400, or give me a 24 E core 12430E roughly the same die area, difference performanec profiles One would kill in homelab, the other kills in general desktop use
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I have a 7950X3D. If the 9950X3D is just "a copy paste" with 15% IPC uplift and a 5% clock bump... I'm not biting. If, however, AMD launches an 8 Zen5X3D + 16 Zen5c part I WILL bite. Even if it's $900. A 20% reduction in compile times is nice, but not something I'm going to shell out $600 for. A 50-60% reduction in compile times IS worth shelling out a lot for.
That config would be punching B holes all day long...
How about a processor with two 16 core Zen 5c CCDs i.e. a 32C/64T monster CPU...............might be very useful for VMs.
@APU-iGPU I switched to a 7800x3d from a 5900x and I frequently run 3 VMs. These cpus are just so fast they run anything I throw at them. When I have to program equipment in production plants, my laptops just feel so slow now. I would love a dual ccx high density cpu, though. I would get that just to test.
@@charlesg5085 Good to hear that. I assume that 3D V-Cache might be one of the reason behind the VMs running that fast.
And if AMD has plans to launch 32C/64T processor this gen or by Zen 6, then I would happily buy it for simulation, testing, and running multiple VMs at the same time.
"A 50-60% reduction in compile times IS worth shelling out a lot for" is > 2X speed (more than 100% speed uplift). Not sure you will get that even with Zen6.