Yeah this guy gets it. Can this studio focus on arguable the most important issue right now. "hey did you hear that?" "yeah here they come", "oh never mind that was upstairs" "you sure? I think it was downstairs".
Not to mention jaegers quests are all niche and you have to go out of your way to do some bs. I bet a lot of more casual players or players that don't get passed like lvl 30 in the wipe probably don't even interact with jaeger all that much if at all. EOD means you can get jeager 2 and almost 3 super easily compared to the slog you would need to do to unlock them.
Exactly, even streamer admits it. Stash size is just the first thing that new players notice an it really doesn't matter that much especially if you are good or decent at the game. Biggest advantage by far rep and gamma, not stash size
that is so akward that they did this. They said there is not going to be microtransactions in the game and bringing eod benefits to other people just say what they'll do in the future if they start losing money
i think one point that was missed.. in that same interview he talked about cheating. He spoke about how its a balance of cheater buying accounts and then getting them banned. While trying to keep players happy. He made it sound as if the cheaters were a way to keep people buying the game instead of just getting rid of the problem entirely. Just something else to note from that same interview.
And now it makes more sense why they don't have a better anti cheat system. If cheaters were to get banned instantly they wouldn't keep buying accounts and BSG would probably go under. Hopefully that could change with micro transactions that help in stash and hideout and don't give an advantage in raids
@@HkRose This has been a long running theory actually. People have been thinking this is how battlestate makes its money for years now. Would also explain why the development of this game is glacial and any addition takes years. So no wonder they are looking for a constant cash flow since they couldnt get the game done in a timely manner.... this game has been in development longer then most AAA titles... heck it has been in development longer then BG3.. im surprised they havent started selling JPEGS at this point XD But i guess cheater milking is a good substitute for JPEGS
Yup, I played Standard from 2017 - 2020 and once I swapped to EOD it was insane how much faster my progression was. More hideout items in my container, ability to ignore annoying quests due to starting trader rep, and saving millions upon millions of roubles on the stash upgrades in the hideout!
its a QOL advantage. non eod accounts are absolutely murking names with crowns near it allllllll the time. its not pay to win its pay to stress less or more depending on how organized your stash is
My take: I think the Gamma would be a lot more acceptable if it was attainable in game. Much earlier than Kappa but significantly (but not too much) later than Epsilon. The stash space upgrades being something attainable in game would be good too, maybe if the max stash level cap became like 6, it means EOD players still have to actually work on their stash like everyone else instead of never needing to look at it for the entire wipe. Not really sure what to do about balancing the +0.2 trader rep bonus for non-EOD as that is such a huge help that I think people don't talk about enough. Essentially, if you can make EVERYTHING an EOD player has attainable by a non-EOD account, the game just becomes more pay to skip. EOD and non-standard still has to work for stash, but they get a head start. Same with the safe container progression. It would still be pay to win, but drastically less so. Because you can't really take away the Gamma and rep bonus now as people would riot about spending hundreds and not getting anything for it lol. Also, change arenas progression so its not so overly restricting. Maybe do a loadout points system like in insurgency sandstorm. And add some sort of clothes rack to the hideout that can be built and upgraded like with the weapon rack, 80% of my stash is just wearable gear lmao ESPECIALLY when I've got like 4 setup loadouts waiting to go hahahaha I agree as a standard player for 4 wipes and an EOD player for the rest of them that the game is p2w, but I don't think it's enough of a problem that it ruins the game currently or that it can't be fixed relatively easy.
Your comment of pay to skip got me. Is pay to skip p2w? I understand the nature of tarkov and its gameplay. I bought eod back in 2018/19. I am also an intermittent player with 600-800 hrs of game time. I will autisticly defend pay2skip as not p2w cause some of us ain't winning shit 😂.
@@nunya404 Hahaha I getcha. I think pay to skip is still a bit pay to win, as your gaining in-game benefits, not just something purely cosmetic like how some people suggest gun skins, albeit not a crazy egregious advantage but it's still there nonetheless. It's not as drastically bad, but having a gamma from the start of wipe is pretty huge compared to just the alpha. Having room for good meds and extra loot, room for both iskras and water bottles for the early jaeger quest, having room for all 3 blue gunpowders you gotta stash etc. It's definitely not pay2win in the most traditional, blatant sense, but it's not NOT that either. If the gamma was available as a quest reward for everyone to get to though, it would be a little nicer imo. Cos then after epsilon, the non-EOD player doesn't have 300hrs of grinding ahead of them just to get the next container. Middle ground is nice, and paying to skip would still be p2w but in a not as damaging way. Instead of a standard player grinding for 50-150hrs just to get epsilon, only to have another 500hrs+ from then on JUST to get something to even compete with the Gamma is kinda annoying. Making it available through the game would be good, cos I know most standards would not even bother with Kappa because its just too much work. Would be nice to have the gamma in between. So I would say pay2skip is still pay2win, but it's something people will have way less of a problem with, and I don't think any EOD player would have an issue if they added the Gamma to normal progression.
@@martinred6237epsilon really aint that bad to get. Punisher questline. I keep rushing this quest every wipe even tho I have EoD now. Imma tell you, EoD sucks. There’s no real sense of accomplishment and no real benefits for the grind. I had more fun with standard. I also like to suffer so…
if they let people make their own kits and run those, that would be great. people wanted a game to rival the likes of cod rainbow 6 counter strike etc all those kinds of games, instead we got team deathmatch with developer made presets. ill buy arena when you can unlock gear by leveling up and equip that gear, in its current state of preset vs preset yea im good on that.
I personally haven't had issues with load times but I 100% agree that arena needs some work, would love to see some more maps even if they are just modified copies of POIs from the base game maps, along with balancing some of the low-mid tier loadouts a bit more
Yeah my homie ran out of money on arena too so now he just gets shit on bc he had to use free kits against tier 5 and 6 kits. Kinda wack that he paid for a game he can’t even play anymore because they wanted to have a shitty money system
@@GR1NDVHOL1C that’s fine, it’s their game they can do whatever they want with it, it just means they won’t get a sale from me or thousands of other people as well. Tarkov has millions of players, yet arena hasn’t sold millions, the sooner bsg figures out why the sooner they can start to profit off arena.
I think the bigger secure container is the biggest QOL advantage of EOD. If the upgrade from alpha containers were more available earlier on from traders this would make that advantage pretty negligible. Like if the beta container was cheaper, or if epsilon was available from peacekeeper 3, which is pretty easy to reach.
100%, though I wouldn't even call it QOL. You know how much easier it is to survive a raid and get the important items out when you can carry a docs case and all medicals in your gamma? No such options for Alpha, and you end up burning through far more meds from raid losses.
You need to try playing on a standard account, then. The extra stash space makes the early wipe pay to win because you can afford to hold onto quest items. Mid game, the trader rep makes progression and trader levels completely easy, especially Jaeger and Skier. Late wipe, you get a free ~20 million rubles' worth of stash space. I've played 6 or 7 wipes now with a white name, and finally gave in to FOMO to buy EoD when it went on sale for the last time. Let me tell you, I have literally strolled through this wipe thus far. It's ridiculous. I absolutely agree with it being pay to win. The increased secure container size essentially just means that you don't have to pay for your meds with each new kit, so like 20-30k rubles every kit. Nice, sure, but there's not much that you lose out on.
All I need is that Scav Junk Box asap in the beginning. After that, I'm good with space. Sure more space is always nice but if you know somewhat the values of your loot and what to keep and what to sell, it's totally manageable.
More people don't know the cheat-code... You scav every minute it's available and sell everything you get until you get your first junkbox. Then, scav until you get a 2nd
People dont use their stash efficiently.. people cant even find the bread aisle in my local supermarket and u literally walk past it as u walk through the entrance
I'm the only guy without EOD in my tarkov squad and every wipe I'm consistently behind, less stash space and only an alpha container makes it so hard to progress
When you play with them, have them drop you car money and surv kits, as well as using quest keys, when you need them to save on roubles and space during a raid. It may feel like charity sometimes, but it's not a big deal when you're trying to min/max and your buddy realizes it.
Just want to add to your P2W analysis - the ability to bring more resources in your safe container by having EoD is one of the biggest reasons Tarkov is P2W. Standard edition players are often going to be relegated to worse meds, while EoD players can fit a surv12, injectors, spare ammo, good healing, good painkillers, keys, and more. Standard edition players are extremely restricted in what they can bring in unless they want to hemorrhage roubles when they die (and they are already 50 million roubles behind, plus more due to safe container differences). The ability to have access to a CMS, propitals, good meds etc risk free has a DIRECT impact on in game fights, unlike every other bonus that is more indirect via faster progression.
you can take all those items in game. its a QOL thing not a p2w. non EOD accounts kill EOD accounts a whole bunch. if you pay for an account and miss shots suck at the game generally youre not winning regardless of how much money you invest
You seem to be assuming that EoD have an unlimited supply of cms, propital etc. Once the first stuff is used up, that's it like everyone else. EoD doesn't have some secret access to this stuff apart from the select amount which are in the stash at start of wipe. At the end of the day, this game comes down to who wins in a gunfight. I don't know what's in your stash, you don't know what's in mine. I guess all the times I've died, EoD must have been cheating me out of my pay2win status huh?
@@Alphardus No, I'm correctly assuming EoD players have the safe container space to actually bring it into raid and use it. Then they have more money than standard editions to buy more. Of course EoD doesn't guarantee you win, because most EoD players are total garbage at the game. Call it "Pay4Advantage" if you like, that's all P2W means.
Absolutely brilliant video. It was really good to actually include the old video of Nikita, too. I think that actually gives us (the people who love and enjoy this game) some context. Yes, developing games is expensive, paying 200+ people's salaries is expensive, and the attributed costs to running a business or game development studio are expensive. So it makes sense to see what other ways they can raise some capital. Micro transactions make sense. If they stay true to what they say in regards, it's stash rows and clothing. That sort of stuff is absolutely fine. I am delighted they said no to boosting or being able to buy gear. I had a sigh of relief when i heard that.
They shouldn't have microttansactions to a game that costs money to buy. They literally promised no microttansactions for years, so f*** them for adding them anyways. They dont get a pass for having "acceptable" microttansactions. There are no acceptable microttansactions when you purchased the game. Dead game within 1 year i promise you.
Pest - you've always been one of the content creators who isn't afraid to speak his mind. (Even in the past when most of the scene was afraid to, ie cheaters, etc.) I appreciate the opportunity to have a look into your mind on one of my favorite titles of all time. I hope in the future the cheating/desync issues can be worked out - they have pushed me away from the game in the meantime. Arena really put a spotlight on just how much time/lag there is between server side & client side.. as well as the cheating issue. Thanks man, keep up the great work! You're definitely my favorite Tark creator!
I think keeping the money flowing is good, since game dev isn't cheap. Stash space for real world money isn't too bad if you can actually get those lines in game by playing. Since it just lets you hoard more stuff, it doesn't effect gameplay that much. Containers are out of the question, due to the reasons Pest said. I'd love to have a supporter edition that gives you a cool icon or something to show for it. I purely bought that exact thing for deep rock galactic because I wanted to support the developers. It's also purely the reason I bought EOD. Nikita has been able to do some incredible things with the hand he's been dealt, especially with the whole brain drain situation in Russia. Thanks for the video Pest
It’s a slippery slope, we will see A LOT more micro transactions in the game. And why not, people will justify it the same way: they need money. Except they, Nikita really, continually make bad business decisions and their incompetence wastes god only knows how much money. My question is, why are you funding that? Is it because you have no idea it’s happening? Nikita’s word isn’t worth anything, but he doesn’t report to shareholders who would probably have him step down at this point. A few years ago this games development was funded in perpetuity and we have not once heard their were issues with cash flow. All of a sudden, and I don’t even think they’ve said they have issues with funding currently, they just pull the trigger on it. Pestily paints a very rosey picture but the reality is quite grim with Nikita and BSG. It is like they have learned NOTHING in nearly 10 years of working on this game or in this business. You people want to invest more in these people? I just don’t get it. Look at how incompetently done Arena was. Are you not seeing a trend here people? I’ve been very worried about EFT’s future the last few years and this might just be the bell tolling. We’re never going to get what they promised…
@@swordyshield The best wipe ever when ~75% of all EFT purchases haven't even tried it? Glad you had fun kid, but there have been better patches. Maybe you don't have a great frame of reference because you only joined in very recently? These things should occur to you before you start spreading your opinions around but they won't, because you're a moron.
I’m soooo glad you found success and enjoyed tarkov! Especially coming from infantry background you make the community a lot of fun! Tarkov is v1.0 ready imo and if the devs find ways (like adding paid dlc’s (new maps, traders, questlines) for consistent revenue, make tarkov more tournament esports ready for big revenue events, i think the playerbase could be there to support them to continue to update/fix bugs for the game.
I have a sneaky feeling they're going to make the additional stash space for that wipe only, so you have to keep coming back to buy it again and again.
Always been impressed by the way you keep it real. You are easily one of the biggest Tarkov streamers, clearly loved by the Devs, but you always speak your mind. Many thanks.
I was talking to my roommate about earning stash lines and I was thinking they could be tied to achievements since there's nothing going on with them at the moment
My main takes why its pay2win are (and we looking at this from an average tarkov player perspective) 1. EoD gives you about 42mil rubbles in stash upgrades. Here biggest advantage of it is time that standard edition players have to spend managing their small stash cause it fills up after 2-3 survived raid, and we talking hours and hours and obviously 42 mil is huge amount of rubbles. 2. Gamma container is huge. Not only you can bring a lot more from raid in it, but also each time you die you save a lot of rubbles just because all your meds, survival kits are there, later docs etc. People say: "But you can do epsilon case pretty fast" I say for average player it's not fast and that easy it takes a lot more time than you think. 3. Traders rep. I don't know why this getting overlooked sometimes. Traders rep is big, on top of other advantages already. This means that EoD owner gonna have gear advantage pace by having higher lvl traders all the time, we talking attachments, guns, meds, faster doc case barter etc. Overall I would estimate EoD progression advantage in 150-200 hours, this could be way more depends on a player. Also we have to consider that bigger % of players don't even play that long in wipe and they dont even get their lvl 4 stashes, lvl 4 traders. If you are regular guy with a job, maybe family or other responsibilities at this point you have to buy EoD in order to play the game, and not wasting your few hours of free time managing small stash, but unfortunately its not even available anymore. On my stream months ago I said EoD is pay2win. I was laughed at mainly by EoD owners, they thought I was joking but here we are, Pestily making video about it. Who is laughing now lol.
AKA it makes it easier to not loose money but does not make it easier to survive. Therefore, it isn't pay2win because it doesn't give you an inherent in-game advantage. You bought the special edition of the game but it doesn't make you any better than anyone else. Is it more forgiving with that access? Yes. Is there an advantage monetarily? Yes, but that's not what pay2win means. If money = winning then why are people still playing with 42 million in their stash?
EOD is a ease of life perk. I played 3 wipes with the standard account getting to almost all max traders and after just upgrading to EOD before it ended the start of the game is a night and day difference, but also at the same time for me took some of the fun out of the game It was actually fun having to progress through the levels to get extra stash space and to upgrade your secure container like the beta from peacekeeper and epsilon from punisher. I always felt accomplished hitting these little milestones and now with EOD its gone and the game doesn't feel the same and I don't enjoy it as much. Next wipe I think I'll get another standard account and just play it
100% makes your life easier - I don't know why he's trying so hard to say it's filled with microtransactions and is pay2win lately... he's gone clickbait lol.
Give them an inch and they will take a mile. We have seen this sort of behavior time and time again in the gaming industry.. just look at shit like Diablo 4... or GTA... or Call of duty.. or any EA game. There is absolutely zero reason to believe a Developer/publisher when they say "this will be the only thing we give for real money, we promise!" Especially since BG has allready proven to not be reliable when it comes to their promises.
if the clothing unlock makes the some of the clothes unlock at the start of the wipe for players to buy in game, that sounds like a pretty W pack, some of those clothes take a large play time commitment, helping the devs and allowing people to get those towards the start with in game money. (i'd imagine that outfit is unlocked on your account to buy in game for ever)
They did remove the biggest benefit from the reputation on eft at some point. I do not know when but I saw that pk2 no longer requires any reputation, meaning eod and non eod will unlock pk2 at level 14 and not after doing a chunk of his quests anymore.
@@andyderp6473 yeah, that's how I see it too - the only reason this seems to be a thing is because you can't get EOD anymore and they still want people to be able to pay to get to that point- at least stash wise. Who knows if EOD will be able to add 100 rows or just 10 but everyone is upset before hearing the details because of course they are.
I myself have EoD, you say you can make a fortune quickly putting things in your case and live or die you can make a fortune… I for one still jump when shot at and also suffer from adrenaline rushes when the fight takes place lol. I really don’t mind with these type of transactions, I’ll still play the game the same way I’ve always played and enjoy it regardless. Love the videos Pest, keep up the great work you do for your community!!!
Pay-to-Win Cambridge Dictionary: in computer games, involving or relating to the practice of paying to get weapons, abilities, etc. that give you an advantage over players who do not spend money. Wikipedia: Noun. pay to win (uncountable) (video games) The ability and/or practice of exchanging real-world currency for an in-game benefit. Urban Dictionary: "Pay-to-win" or "P2W", is a pejorative term for a game that offers any advantage that can be obtained faster or exclusively via commercial transactions over gameplay rewards or the impact of the player's own performance.
I'd argue better rep and better 'safe' storage don't fit those definitions since it's not an inherent in-game advantage - it doesn't give you more damage, better jumping, or better survivability in the slightest. It does make dying slightly less punishing and easier to keep certain items, like heals but you can get all those items for free - including the rep and stash space by just playing the game so therefore it is not pay2win by either definition. Of course, people can go the other way too but inherent advantage is the main sticking point for me and it gives you no bonuses once you load into a raid - it's only when you get out or die that's its a slight advantage but not enough to 'win' as they say.
Just FYI the steam cut starts at 30% and drops down as sales increase. I'm not sure of the exact steps but the lowest cut of a game I've worked on is 20% so it can be significant drop. Most other platforms like Microsoft/XBOX charge 30% also.
A buddy and i started the wipe at the same time. I have eod and he has standard, i have most of my traders to lvl 2 and one level 3 he has finally gotten Prapor lvl 2 and we play basically the same amount of time after work... EOD definitely gives you a massive advantage... i have access to better ammo and armor making me survive gun fights a lot more often than him... whoever doesn't think that isn't p2w i dunno what else to say...
It’s literally not pay to win. That would imply I could buy my way to endgame at the start of a wipe. It sounds to me like a skill issue mixed with loadout issue
@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk Brother, you PAY more to WIN more. Just because your definition of P2W is being able to buy your way to endgame doesn't mean that having access to higher tier armor, ammo, and weapons before others, simply because you PAID more money, is not P2W.
@Sparsse patch 14.1 was release then rolled back so yes pistols are back now but I did testing in the shooting range during the small window patch 14.1 was out and pistol recoil was significantly increased. With a modified glock, 1911A1, and 5.7 I tested a shot taken at 15m on the silhouette initially aimed at high thorax, the follow up shots would fly clean over the target.
Pest thanks for doing these videos, you take big subjects, and make them bite sized, and its fantastic. I think people are over reacting to the microtransactions. I know you say that peoples mental gymnastics to avoid calling it P2W are wild. But personally the mental gymnastics are not much. Compare Tarkov to an MMO, most MMO's employ a subscription method, with most they implement a hard level cap. Take Eve online as an extreme example. Your progress in EVE online, is purely skill tree time. So say you want to fly a capital ship, you never have to actually play the game to reach that level of gameplay. You just need to pay a subscription, and put the skills in a queue and wait (Several years, but still), but without paying a subscription EVERY MONTH, you cant even make 1/100th the progress to flying a capital ship. Its just not possible, this is far more p2w than anything BSG has implemented. Eve is not even egregiously p2w they just have a subscription fee, and its been that way a long time, they dont call it that anymore, but it is what it is. However there are games out there that are EGREGIOUSLY p2w. Where buying even a few little things can grant you a MASSIVE abillity to trounce the competition. Hell even take some of the stuff that has happened in the COD franchise over the years. i havent stayed close to COD over the years, but i know that there was a MASSIVE controversy over a particular set of clothing, that nearly made the player invisible in most circumstances. This by itself, grants a massive advantage to any player who chooses to pay for it. And it effects the gameplay for anyone who did not pay for it. where as any player who buys a single line of stash space, really is not going to find that much advantage over other players. I think its a bit hard for someone like you Pestily, to understand how little a change this makes for someone like me who is by all defenition a casual tarkov player. I at most can commit maybe if im lucky 12 hours to tarkov per week. You know as well as anyone that 12 hours means maybe 10 raids, and a whole lot of organization. Adding one row to my stash hardly gives me any benefit. Particularly when your not as versed as someone like you, who knows EXACTLY what items to take, and what to leave behind in a raid, i have close to 3 or 400 hours on tarkov at this point, and i still find myself taking an item out of raid just to see what it is worth. Granted i usually just check tarkov market while in game, but still. Anyways, excellent video Pest, i appreciate you.
As an EoD player who doesn't have a lot of time to play, I definitely have a significant advantage over my standard friend who has even less time to play. I understand where they are going with this, but I think it just needs to be thought out a little better. I can't complain about microtransactions for things like skins and stuff because that's (usually) not game breaking, and games like this definitely need an influx of money that isn't just people purchasing the game at a set price. I've never had a problem with paid skins, but some of the stuff like stash space and containers is 100% an advantage.
Another thing I think people are forgetting is due to the war to get any type of dollars or Euros or yen into rubles cost $300 to 4 times as much as it did two or three years ago. So they're losing that much more money on everything people purchase.
Yeah Russians invasion of Ukraine has definitely affected their team. Plus Russia has had a severe brain drain so anybody with legit skills gets a job in the west, makes sense why they have to train people in house to do the job instead of being able to pay top dollar for qualified people. Your point about dollars to rubbles is a very real thing Russians are dealing with but I don’t feel too bad because majority of Russians support the invasion.
its always been pay to win. The difference in the wipe when I upgraded to EOD was massive. No longer loosing expensive meds, able to secure expensive loot.
They made their deluxe version have something their standard didnt. I like the idea of getting something in game and its not a poster or cosmetic or something dumb for the extra money i spend on deluxe versions... now with mtx being introduced you should just run.
Love your content you make probably the best Tarkov content and also give so much info on everything that the game puts out to the best of your ability miss being able to chat live on twitch with you but I can still watch and I very much agree with what you've said in this video. cant wait to catch your next stream maybe I'll get unbanned in your chat in the next un-ban wave you do so i can ask questions again as you have been such a great person to ask anything Tarkov and also some nice life advice.
arena is bombing because you have to play 1 kit for 30 hours to unlock the next, the amount of time required to grind it makes me feel like I should enter my credit card to bypass it, they need to redo the leveling/unlock system entirely, they really should just mimic cod with leveling to unlock items to make custom classes.
The double xp helps a lot and i think it's permanent now? I enjoy grinding each weapon/class as it forces you to really get to know each gun, but yeah, it's a little too long. They should also probably have introduced casual before ranked and allowed you to level the weapons there. I play almost exclusively solo and I haven't been worrying about ARP and even dropped to D at one point. I've got almost all the t4 kits at this stage, multiple t5 kits and 3 or 4 t6s. TBH some of the funner kits have been T1-T3, certainly funner games where everybody is not just holding an angle for the whole game.
I played eft originally back in 2018 upgraded to EOD within a day or two. In previous wipes I would get to level 30-40 then reset because I was getting bored and wanted to freshen up my playthrough But I was still using EOD. Then last year I purchased a standard edition of the game once again to try it out. There were a few things that took a while to get past. The alpha container was small and I couldn't take in the meds I usually would. But you could buy a beta container from peacekeeper pretty early and also to Punisher part 6 relatively easily. The stash space was rough but in buying containers it somewhat negated the stash space also with the addition of the hideout being able to upgrade your stash made an addition of interest for the game for wanting to grind towards something. The biggest hit to progression is the Rep that you get from EOD or other versions. On EOD you start with a 0.2 rep for each trader, which makes a significant difference early game for getting higher level traders. Especially if you're solo where for doing tasks like gunsmith would require specific parts you could find (maybe) or purchase at LL2 jaeger or skier or what have you but it would take much longer to get there. I would say like Pest often says that like Path of Exile. It's pay for convenience not necessarily Pay to Win. That entirely depends on your definition of winning. The aim of the game is to level up and go through your tasks so, personally I would say that has a big dependance on your individual skill level and also your patience with the game. But others will only associate winning in tarkov with the amount of roubles in their stash which having better editions or with the newer microtransactions would be made easier through these methods.
Its p2w and with EoD it was capped at a certain point, i personally am fine with p2w like that where at a certain point everybody is equal. As long as that point is reasonable priced which eod is, barely but it is. With the upcoming changes i just hope they dont have infinite scaling p2w, for example the bis kits being able to get with money, or infinite stash size
stash expansion cool for people without EOD but extra lines will flop IMO if they want money 1. Gloves MAKE GLOVES some scavs have unique colors to theirs and would be nice to see on a PMC 2. Glukhar guards have tattoos - make clothing that isnt in game and only purchasable thro a cosmetic shop same as the gloves idea, short sleeves with tatts, neck tatts, scaring, watches. and just all around unique clothing in a cosmetic shop. Purchasing ingame clothing early is only going to appeal to a minority of players. 3. Weapon camos DDpat, Digital, Floral, hell even something cool like red tiger designs from COD4 with urban coloring and other listed camos with bring in money simply doing offline co-op, stash upgrades and the other petty stuff mention will only go so far
That has to be the WORST Idea with Skins! If u want skins go play COD, But NO ONE in tarkov want to be killed by a Pink Nicky Minaj like in COD and that is what that would end up with! Im fine with extra Strash and the Clothing ALREADY in the game, But if they start adding new lame colour clothes this game wont have the same "Realism" Appeal anymore
Ive usualy had more fun playing my standar account over my EOD. its very rough since you cant hoard quest items you need far into the future but the extra rep/space its just conveniences in my experience. keep your value in cash and not items helps alot of the space issues. only problem is when u want to hoard stuff you never use .
There are some more serious issues and implications with the different editions. All the parts it touches cannot be used basically for the game design and balance cause then that means some editions get the wrong experience. Stash size can't be a carefully considered part for the game design cause then some edition is out of whack, so that means its just there incovenience standard players so they pay up. And now you can't change it anymore cause those things are part of a sold product and you might open yourself up to lawsuits if you remove it. All cause BSG couldn't think of things to put into those editions that aren't ingame advantages. You can't even not use those advantages, if you want a standard start as EoD you need to buy a new account. Option to start a wipe with whatever editions loadout and maybe an even harder start would be a great addition to EoD. Call it the Left to Die start, where you start with barely anything, only a 2 slot security container no container. And you get a few tasks extra to earn a standard container and later gamma. Reward could be that your dog tag might look different or you get some cosmetic to show that you are extra hardcore. Just something so it isn't just that you paid more money for easier mode.
Honestly another way to see it, it cuts down time and sadly some people don't have that luxury. I'm sure there are still people working 8 hours only to be underleveled for the couple hours they play.
@@jermu8706 Well, the alternative is to spin up some tarkov cheats. That too will give you the ability to play the game under high working hours IRL. Pick your poison, I guess.
The secure container was always the issue. Hence suggesting it be swapped to the 2x4 inead of a 3x3 causes people to lose thier minds. It is only 1 slot lost. The second best container should not have been a transaction. There is no equivalent in game.
shit I even dont know about traders rep. i was wondering how friends with EOD have jagger level 3, when they are behind me in quests. That is so fu.k up
@@painter3570 Literally bullshit. You have to be a certain level and have sold/bought a certain amount. It seems your friends are just better than you. It has nothing to do with ''Quests''.
@@Alphardus How do you know he hasn't spent the same amount on the trader and isn't the same level as his friends? Even if he was, EoD would still have more rep and thus level the trader while being behind him on quests. Think before you type next time. 🤡
@@Alphardus lol, maybe play game. You need reputation + level + spend money, I have money and level and Im missing reputation, that you get from quests only, I have more quests done with trader then friend, but he has higher loyalty level, because he have 0.2 rep bonus from EOD edition
It's crazy that whethet EOD is p2w or not is still an argument. You can bring a whole survival kit , injector , Pain killer of your choice and still have 4 spaces left. Standard does not have that luxury. This doesn't even account for how you need to spend roubles to upgrade stash and higher starter trader reps.
Anything paid that was more than cosmetic was at one point “outrageous”, and horribly p2w, but now it’s “Just a head start bro..” it’s literally just the next step up and people let it happen
Gamma gives such a huge advantage particularly in early wipe when you can just carry a grizzly on you at lvl 1 and still get 5 spaces for other stuff. Im so carried by it at this point since i can carry two extra stacks of good ammo with no risk + meds and a docs case. standard players have to sacrifice bringing a lot of what eod players consider "essential" to a raid which negatively impacts their survivability/progression at least until they get a beta container.
If thats your srgument is enough for me to tell how bad you guys area tthe game. Alpha pouch, fits a cms, injector, keytool. Ive done it you sure also can. Dont worry ull get there eventually.
@@bumbleecorp9824 your brain is bad - all other things being equal, EOD is only advantages, how you cannot fathom this is crazy. hopefully you'll get there eventually.
When I bought the game the main thing that put me off from it was that I barley had any stash space, hopefully there is a in game feature in which you can upgrade the stash in the future.
As a new player, with standard account. I was gonna 'upgraded' for more space. Now I can buy rows of space? How much and is it limited by the account you have?
@@AfkaSound even for standard? And why even bother 'upgraded' accounts,at this point right? I literally was gonna upgrade my account last week. Last thing I got a PayPal card 'fee' of like 6 bucks. So if u upgrade slowly it could get expensive fast. I got a feeling it's not gonna be cheap nor expensive but just enough for you to feel the price.
@@JoeHasGas tbf if we know Nikita like we do, the stash space is going to be expensive like Pestiliy said 2 rows for 10 bucks is probably what it is going to be.
a lot of people forgot about Contract Wars , yes it was f2p but heavy heavy p2w .once a company starts they always will try to see how far they can go ,...
I am heavily surprised Pestily is not adressing the fact that they already had a game before EFT with Bear and Usec. And that they had their funds from that game because it was painfully p2w.
by all means I'm not a good Tarkov player, i have a lot of hours into the game and enjoy it heaps. i bought edge of darkness simply because it boosted my start to wipes and also the gamma container was pog. Anyone who thinks EOD isn't pay to win is just kidding themselves
EoD has always been Pay To Win (or more accurately, pay to have an advantage). As a standard edition player, i have never had gripes with that. It was available to everyone, and people that paid that extra money (it was way too much in Australian dollars for me to justify) were supporting the developer in getting the game done, as well as making sure Nikita was well fed! I also enjoy the progression as a standard edition player. Expanding the stash, getting the 4x2 container after finishing Punisher. These are significant achievements for the standard edition player. Levelling up traders are also significant milestones. Personally i think EOD size stash should be the limit. And they should make it available for other game edition owners to buy more stash up to that limit. As for offline co-op, I hope that the cost for that is not too much. Of course it is irrelevant to the pay-for-an-advantage discussion.
seems like its something you buy on your account page just like whatever edition you go with. wouldnt really make sense if the upgrades reset, seems kinda obvious a subscription based stash size is against their vision.
Depends on what you see as winning. I've been running a standard account since day 1 and I have no issue winning fights against EOD players. Yeah the stash size is annoying but I just sell everything and work towards stash size upgrades in hideout as well as item cases from therapist. Use high storage ratio rigs to maximize the amount of loot you can keep. Same thing for container, alpha sucks so I work towards beta container. Like others are saying rep boost is a different story because it does allow EOD players to buy better gear initially. The best counter to this is to rat and avoid fights until you level up traders. Overall it is technically P2W but not in the same way as games that literally make it almost impossible to challenge P2W players. Like War Thunder, high tier planes and tanks would take years of grinding to unlock without paying for them. Tarkov P2W is more like pay for convenient features but as a EOD players you're still vulnerable to standard accounts.
I think this is actually a good thing because there are some people who maybe cannot afford Edge of Darkness but they want that extra space and reputation early in the game because maybe they can only play once or twice a week they don't have dozens of hours to pour into the game. This enables casual players to do better and while yes other players will benefit from this it makes it easier for the Casual player
they need to add EFT and arena intergration... you should be able to complete tasks from EFT within arena, for example pistol kills, killing pmcs over 55m, bolt action kills... They will lift arena up massively with that cross over progression. It is needed!
that would completely break so many tasks, so do they leave the tasks broken and easily completed via arena? or do they adjust the values to be higher and put people who don't play arena at a disadvantage? Sounds like a pretty terrible idea to me.
IMO if they want a steady revenue stream, the best bet would be weapons skins (that don't disappear from your inventory when the weapon is taken ofcourse), more types of clothing, gear camo patterns, and maybe even different laser colours lol But yeah EoD is effectively P2W and its benefits are quite massive, particularly the secure container and the starting trader rep. Gaining .20 rep for each trader takes quite a bit of effort, especially for newer or more casual players. So I'd prefer they level that playing field and put their long-term revenue elsewhere.
i agree as long as they keep cosmetics realistic i think if you buy a skin you can apply it to the relevant piece of gear as a modifier that it keeps, even if someone else kills you and takes it. like being able to change the color of a specific rig.
I bought EOD for arena. At level 45 with EOD I have about 70 million, and about 180m stash value. Previously I used to have about half that. I've never had so much money to be able to afford level 5 armors, best guns, injector case, upgrade the hideout with items after dying, and all those things all add up. Injector case itself has saved me multiple times in a fight - zagustin and green when like 3 bleeds and 60 hp. Then I was able to heal up to almost full with the SURV. EOD is absolutely pay to win, after playing normal for so long I can atest to it. You had to totally grind out Punisher before to even come close.
stash lines isnt pay to win, people have been with EoD giving rep, free kits to start, etc etc, like i have EoD but i can accept it was a pay to get ahead/have an advantage pack
the game is the ultimate equalizer... you dont need EOD to win. and you can EASILY die with EOD... (TRUST ME lol) having stash space is QOL not even a little bit of p2w cause any gun can kill you. mac and cheese is a thing, and you could kill chads.
As someone who started standard and played with many people who played standard who while we are all progressing had to spend MILLIONS to just catch up in stash size makes it certainly a massive advantage I have over them which I have solely because I paid more than them
EoD start is great for timmies like me, helped lose gear fear pretty fast, 2 days into wipe empty stash and 5k roubles running with scav knife and bouncing back to few mil during this wipe was fun
Heres the fix: you know how there is "special equipment" why don't we have 1-3 slots for "medicine" that you take with you each raid. That way these secure containers are more for quest items and actual loot so new players can progress faster and easier without having to stuff their entire case with a grizzly.
why use a grizzly, just take bandage , heavy bleed, that costs u 10k then in gamma all u got is docs case, cms and splint which u can just chuck out if needed, injectors case for heals and for finding stims
Thats just my Opionion : If u have EOD and u are good at Tarkov the Extra Space is a real good QOL thing and not actually Pay2Win.. its a bit of Pay2play. For Poor people and Timmys in Tarkov , they cry about it and i can understand it. Most Items must be Found in Raid, so the EOD isnt that much Pay2win but yeah its still pay2win. Having more space in the Early Wipe for "SETUP or sth" stacking ushunkas or sth. (just an example its NICE to have) cuz later u have enough space lvl 4 therapist 2 or 3 ITEM THICC cases , u have anyways Tons of space. Thats why i said timmys cry or bad players or just Tarkov players with less time need 2-3 Months to get Therapist lvl 4. But its NOT gameplay Pay2win... its not like that u can buy for Real money for ammo with better Pen or sth. And the Dev"s have a bit money safe for the Next game they wanna develope... i can understand it at the end but for me its not a big Deal and a good QOL thing. PS: Nice VOD Pest like always
Yeah I'm really feeling the basic stash after my friend roped me into this game a few days before the wipe... Trying to save stuff for quests and building the hideout AND keep more than 2 rifles in the stash feels kinda brutal, cant keep a backpack reasoably unless you fill it, and if you're trying to save anything (maybe something that rarely is found) that you have in mind as being needed later?? Prepare to spend HOURS in the menu shuffling the shit around before and after every raid. You fill the thing up in maybe an hour.
this is only a big deal if you are doing as you are saying, saving everything. Once you get a bit of money (really easy to do in this game) you can just buy containers, even before flea market you can buy scav junkboxes to store all your hideout and most quest items. Stacking backpacks is what you should be doing with or without EOD as well so realistically backpacks are a non issue. Not being able to stack a bunch of guns feels pretty bad but realistically you don't want to be stacking scav guns etc anyways since they are really low durability so it's not as big of an issue unless you just never die and keep getting more and more guns from pmcs.
EOD dont win you games. It ''helps'' you win games and even that is a (maybe). All it does is pay for stash. You pay money to grind less. Literally every single game does that. Why else would you pay more money for it then? If it would give you full stash of meta guns with meta gear, meta armors with best ammo in the game then sure. EOD was fine and i didnt even bought it. Cuz I love to grind in some of the games. Tarkov is included in that list for me personally.
As a new player, I honestly don't want or care for anything other than a larger secure container. It doesn't even need go be Gamma, just anything bigger would be great. I'd be much further along if I had even a couple more squares in my secure container, but I'm now forced to he permanently behind because I don't even have an option for any upgrade until much much further down the line
So they let you get the EOD Stash by paying for it? Okay? Who cares, that doesn't affect anyone in any real way you get plenty of stash space regardless, people are just hoarders and try to keep everything they find. Not Pay 2 Win, if Tarkov was Pay 2 Win they would let you buy the best ammo/armor for real money. You don't have any idea what "Pay 2 Win" means.
Exactly this. EoD isn't ''Pay 2 Win'' by any stretch of the imagination compared to other games which have literal pay2win. Which in fps games involves being able to purchase a gun which is significantly better than others, significantly better armour etc. EoD isn't giving you a gun which shoots faster or has better ammo than anyone else. At the end of the day, this game is about whether you win in a gunfight or not. Doesn't matter what shit you have in your stash or secure container.
As someone with EOD, if I was a competent player I could probably make use the extra stash space and the other perks it gives like starting trader rep increased. But i think all editions should have their stash space increased by like 50 slots at least. I also think everyone should have a weapon they start with (of their own choosing with restrictions, like no rpd or super awesome sniper) that they can't lose, but can lose the ammo for it. I love EFT but it's so overly complicated or difficult for no reason at times. Not to mention other stuff like how the game needs more optimization and other fixes.
I've been playing on and off for nearly five years now on a standard account. Truth is, I like the progression. Having a Gamma container and max stash from the get-go takes away a good chunk of the progression. The Epsilon is an amazing reward for questing. It would be even cooler if the Beta would be easier to obtain. It's way too expensive and it's therefore usually skipped.
bruh i bought the standard edition of eft and was hellaaa annoyed when i learned that most and if not most of all eft players had that eod version of the game which gives you a hugee boost and advantage right of the bat, (i know it doesn't make you a better shooter etc, git guud) i'm talking about the grind aspect of things. and then i was even more annoyed when i learned that for some stupid ass reason the devs decided to take down the eod version of the game..i mean alright then i won't give you money whatever. but now learn that they took it down because they realized how stupid it was to give players arena andddd all those boosts that come together with eod in one single package( basically they want more money lmaooo so they took it down) and now they've come out with a new expansions system where they will start selling things from the game "sold separately" like bruh. anyways nice vid as always pesti
I personally really like arena it’s really good with mates I do prefer the 2v2 and 3v3 over 5v5 but I’m excited for the 1v1 mode and other game modes to come out for it I’ll always keep supporting arena as much as I can
realistically they've added the microtransactions for the additional stash space etc is due to the removal of EOD we all knew it was coming however those who couldn't get it prior still have the chance to skip ahead an avoid a lot of grinding while still supporting BSG all for we know it could be a minor cost compared to paying for EOD in full, it could just be £10 to have a maxed out stash compared to paying £120 for EOD. if its permeant to the account i think its grand if its per wipe then we grab the pitch forks
Spin it however u want guys.. Call it pay for convinience, or QoL.. But in the end, you pay to get something normal players dont get which makes is P2W.. P2W does not mean u get a "kill all" buttom, it means, get an advantage over people who doesnt spend they money, and you do. More room = Less time spent organizing stash which means more raids/hour, which in the end means more loot/hour. Also more room to save quest items, so u dont have to sell it to a vendor(pre-flea), and then go find it again because u had to sell it.. Yea sure, its not a HUGE advantage.. Its less than EoD, and dont get me started on EoD... And yes, u can play without this... BUT its STILL an advantage, and by definition, that makes it p2w
Ive only played the basic account for 1000 hours and honestly its like your playing a different game than eod from strats you can run in raid to just being able to have more loot in stash and progress faster, and in terms of fights, eod can fit a grizzly, injectors ,and docs case in their BUTT. Tarkov has always been pay to win but with these updates i feel it makes it more accessible to the community so I'm actually happy with these micros
Well the issue with the co-op mode is that it is not offline really. It is an online mode with limited number of players. So... They must pay for the hardware that host coop games. The only solution where they don't need to do that is community server hosting. Unfortunately it requires publishing the server binary and it is a big risk. Many malicious people would be able to get their hands on it and reverse engineer to build new cheats. Not many companies decide to allow public server hosting nowadays. Yeah, it would be great if we could spawn an EfT server as we can do with Minecraft or DayZ, but I don't think it will ever happen. If you think that it would be possible to "host" the game yourself, run the off-line and see how much more stressed is your CPU comparing to the regular online game. My PC chokes at the raid start and it is not a weak machine.
I know it wont happen but goddamn this game would be so much more fun (in my opinion) if I could co op w my friends instead of having to go against sweats constantly
hot take - all games with online server that want to exist more than 5 years should consider subscription to play if they don't want microtransactions for ingame stuff... it does not have to be that much 10-20 $ a year with some initial period included with game purchase (alternative is free game but bigger price for first few months/years)... you can create all kind of sales and free time events for that....
Extra stash space is a bit like having a premium account in free to play games. It helps you make money quicker and speeds up your progression a bit. Not as much as premium accounts in most free to play games but the difference is still noticable.
Yeah i figured too that they decided to introduce MTX because arena flopped, i guess they miscalculated, thinking new players would come in and buy it, but it was mostly EoD owners who played it for free, didn't like it, gave it bad press and never touched it again
I bought eod and the book back in 2018 and am very happy to put some more money back in to keep this game going! If they run out of money the servers go offline they have to do something.
Honest just add buyable in-game cosmetics that aren’t pay-to-win. Clothes from Ragman, weapon sprays similar to DayZ, new voice-lines, character models, etc. Things that won’t ruin the game but will allow for more cash flow that people will be willing to pay for. It’s the main way many devs keep cash flow. As long as it doesn’t give people a competitive edge I don’t see why people would be angry. Imagine they had a Nikita character model that you could buy, or a pestily voice line? That shit would be awesome.
10 dollars for vertical sounds to be a thing
make it 9.99 and im in.
Yeah this guy gets it. Can this studio focus on arguable the most important issue right now. "hey did you hear that?" "yeah here they come", "oh never mind that was upstairs" "you sure? I think it was downstairs".
Gamma is substantial but the rep boost is the biggest factor in EoD for early game imho
you can get rep bonus off prepare for escape edition not even eod
@@justinparker8548 So you STILL have to p2w?
does prepare for escape give same rep bonus as EoD?
@@justinparker8548
Not to mention jaegers quests are all niche and you have to go out of your way to do some bs. I bet a lot of more casual players or players that don't get passed like lvl 30 in the wipe probably don't even interact with jaeger all that much if at all. EOD means you can get jeager 2 and almost 3 super easily compared to the slog you would need to do to unlock them.
@@PatrickJesp its not pay to win its more like pay to progress but .2 rep is like 6 quests faster if you are good at the game u can rush it easily
The stash space is one thing, but the starting rep you get with EOD is a huge advantage
literal level 2 traders with no effort, just gotta get xp
Exactly, even streamer admits it. Stash size is just the first thing that new players notice an it really doesn't matter that much especially if you are good or decent at the game. Biggest advantage by far rep and gamma, not stash size
that is so akward that they did this. They said there is not going to be microtransactions in the game and bringing eod benefits to other people just say what they'll do in the future if they start losing money
yes :) pay to less grind ^^
For a streamer yes, for someone who plays an hour a day or week it isn't
i think one point that was missed.. in that same interview he talked about cheating. He spoke about how its a balance of cheater buying accounts and then getting them banned. While trying to keep players happy. He made it sound as if the cheaters were a way to keep people buying the game instead of just getting rid of the problem entirely. Just something else to note from that same interview.
Milking cheaters moms purse sound funny
And now it makes more sense why they don't have a better anti cheat system. If cheaters were to get banned instantly they wouldn't keep buying accounts and BSG would probably go under. Hopefully that could change with micro transactions that help in stash and hideout and don't give an advantage in raids
Bsg could never go under unless every dev is on nose beer. Actually, maybe they will 😂
@@HkRose This has been a long running theory actually. People have been thinking this is how battlestate makes its money for years now. Would also explain why the development of this game is glacial and any addition takes years. So no wonder they are looking for a constant cash flow since they couldnt get the game done in a timely manner.... this game has been in development longer then most AAA titles... heck it has been in development longer then BG3.. im surprised they havent started selling JPEGS at this point XD But i guess cheater milking is a good substitute for JPEGS
Micro-transactions to replace the cheater/hacker problem as a source of income seems like a fair trade to me.
it always was, EOD edition had massive advantages over basic
This is the truth, whether or not people like it
Example pls.😂
Yeah, but you can't buy good tactics. Sweaty rich kids gonna get ratted! 🤣
Yup, I played Standard from 2017 - 2020 and once I swapped to EOD it was insane how much faster my progression was. More hideout items in my container, ability to ignore annoying quests due to starting trader rep, and saving millions upon millions of roubles on the stash upgrades in the hideout!
its a QOL advantage. non eod accounts are absolutely murking names with crowns near it allllllll the time. its not pay to win its pay to stress less or more depending on how organized your stash is
Cant wait for them to add the edge of lightness edition for the official release
"rim of brightness"
Where you get "exclusive Dlcs" that just never appear and then after cashing out they remove the edition haha
what abt center of lightness
My take:
I think the Gamma would be a lot more acceptable if it was attainable in game. Much earlier than Kappa but significantly (but not too much) later than Epsilon. The stash space upgrades being something attainable in game would be good too, maybe if the max stash level cap became like 6, it means EOD players still have to actually work on their stash like everyone else instead of never needing to look at it for the entire wipe. Not really sure what to do about balancing the +0.2 trader rep bonus for non-EOD as that is such a huge help that I think people don't talk about enough.
Essentially, if you can make EVERYTHING an EOD player has attainable by a non-EOD account, the game just becomes more pay to skip. EOD and non-standard still has to work for stash, but they get a head start. Same with the safe container progression.
It would still be pay to win, but drastically less so. Because you can't really take away the Gamma and rep bonus now as people would riot about spending hundreds and not getting anything for it lol.
Also, change arenas progression so its not so overly restricting. Maybe do a loadout points system like in insurgency sandstorm. And add some sort of clothes rack to the hideout that can be built and upgraded like with the weapon rack, 80% of my stash is just wearable gear lmao ESPECIALLY when I've got like 4 setup loadouts waiting to go hahahaha
I agree as a standard player for 4 wipes and an EOD player for the rest of them that the game is p2w, but I don't think it's enough of a problem that it ruins the game currently or that it can't be fixed relatively easy.
Your comment of pay to skip got me.
Is pay to skip p2w? I understand the nature of tarkov and its gameplay. I bought eod back in 2018/19. I am also an intermittent player with 600-800 hrs of game time. I will autisticly defend pay2skip as not p2w cause some of us ain't winning shit 😂.
Yeah but they shouldn't reduce the stash space of EOD players cause that would make a chunk of the playerbase mad
@@nunya404 Hahaha I getcha. I think pay to skip is still a bit pay to win, as your gaining in-game benefits, not just something purely cosmetic like how some people suggest gun skins, albeit not a crazy egregious advantage but it's still there nonetheless. It's not as drastically bad, but having a gamma from the start of wipe is pretty huge compared to just the alpha. Having room for good meds and extra loot, room for both iskras and water bottles for the early jaeger quest, having room for all 3 blue gunpowders you gotta stash etc. It's definitely not pay2win in the most traditional, blatant sense, but it's not NOT that either.
If the gamma was available as a quest reward for everyone to get to though, it would be a little nicer imo. Cos then after epsilon, the non-EOD player doesn't have 300hrs of grinding ahead of them just to get the next container. Middle ground is nice, and paying to skip would still be p2w but in a not as damaging way. Instead of a standard player grinding for 50-150hrs just to get epsilon, only to have another 500hrs+ from then on JUST to get something to even compete with the Gamma is kinda annoying.
Making it available through the game would be good, cos I know most standards would not even bother with Kappa because its just too much work. Would be nice to have the gamma in between.
So I would say pay2skip is still pay2win, but it's something people will have way less of a problem with, and I don't think any EOD player would have an issue if they added the Gamma to normal progression.
epsilon and beta case exist, they shuld just make it less grind to get.
@@martinred6237epsilon really aint that bad to get. Punisher questline. I keep rushing this quest every wipe even tho I have EoD now.
Imma tell you, EoD sucks. There’s no real sense of accomplishment and no real benefits for the grind. I had more fun with standard. I also like to suffer so…
There are lots of potential in Tarkov Arena. They just need to develop it. Just reducing the loading times would make a massive difference.
if they let people make their own kits and run those, that would be great. people wanted a game to rival the likes of cod rainbow 6 counter strike etc all those kinds of games, instead we got team deathmatch with developer made presets. ill buy arena when you can unlock gear by leveling up and equip that gear, in its current state of preset vs preset yea im good on that.
I personally haven't had issues with load times but I 100% agree that arena needs some work, would love to see some more maps even if they are just modified copies of POIs from the base game maps, along with balancing some of the low-mid tier loadouts a bit more
Yeah my homie ran out of money on arena too so now he just gets shit on bc he had to use free kits against tier 5 and 6 kits. Kinda wack that he paid for a game he can’t even play anymore because they wanted to have a shitty money system
@@titans2720I don't think they want you to do that because they hate the concept of "meta"
@@GR1NDVHOL1C that’s fine, it’s their game they can do whatever they want with it, it just means they won’t get a sale from me or thousands of other people as well. Tarkov has millions of players, yet arena hasn’t sold millions, the sooner bsg figures out why the sooner they can start to profit off arena.
I think the bigger secure container is the biggest QOL advantage of EOD. If the upgrade from alpha containers were more available earlier on from traders this would make that advantage pretty negligible. Like if the beta container was cheaper, or if epsilon was available from peacekeeper 3, which is pretty easy to reach.
100%, though I wouldn't even call it QOL. You know how much easier it is to survive a raid and get the important items out when you can carry a docs case and all medicals in your gamma? No such options for Alpha, and you end up burning through far more meds from raid losses.
just complete the punisher quest series...
punisher used to be a lot easier/early on to get epsilon i feel lol, rough this wipe.
@@joeyfridays "jUsT gEt ThE kApPa"
How can people be so tone deaf and brain dead
You need to try playing on a standard account, then. The extra stash space makes the early wipe pay to win because you can afford to hold onto quest items. Mid game, the trader rep makes progression and trader levels completely easy, especially Jaeger and Skier. Late wipe, you get a free ~20 million rubles' worth of stash space. I've played 6 or 7 wipes now with a white name, and finally gave in to FOMO to buy EoD when it went on sale for the last time.
Let me tell you, I have literally strolled through this wipe thus far. It's ridiculous. I absolutely agree with it being pay to win. The increased secure container size essentially just means that you don't have to pay for your meds with each new kit, so like 20-30k rubles every kit. Nice, sure, but there's not much that you lose out on.
All I need is that Scav Junk Box asap in the beginning.
After that, I'm good with space. Sure more space is always nice but if you know somewhat the values of your loot and what to keep and what to sell, it's totally manageable.
More people don't know the cheat-code... You scav every minute it's available and sell everything you get until you get your first junkbox. Then, scav until you get a 2nd
i usually sell pretty much all the starter gear that i wont use and end up with enough for a junkbox. then grind from there
People dont use their stash efficiently.. people cant even find the bread aisle in my local supermarket and u literally walk past it as u walk through the entrance
I'm the only guy without EOD in my tarkov squad and every wipe I'm consistently behind, less stash space and only an alpha container makes it so hard to progress
Try by yourself then it's hard not in a squad
When you play with them, have them drop you car money and surv kits, as well as using quest keys, when you need them to save on roubles and space during a raid. It may feel like charity sometimes, but it's not a big deal when you're trying to min/max and your buddy realizes it.
dude, you got more than enough time to buy your EOD version. 🤷♂️ crying after years of being able to get your copy is just dumb.
@@VerrueckterKerl85 Paying for a PTW mega box is trash, and players like you are trash. Game is not worth 100$
@@VerrueckterKerl85 umm its like 100 dolalrs... thats crazy for anyone to expect from everyone
Just want to add to your P2W analysis - the ability to bring more resources in your safe container by having EoD is one of the biggest reasons Tarkov is P2W. Standard edition players are often going to be relegated to worse meds, while EoD players can fit a surv12, injectors, spare ammo, good healing, good painkillers, keys, and more. Standard edition players are extremely restricted in what they can bring in unless they want to hemorrhage roubles when they die (and they are already 50 million roubles behind, plus more due to safe container differences). The ability to have access to a CMS, propitals, good meds etc risk free has a DIRECT impact on in game fights, unlike every other bonus that is more indirect via faster progression.
you can take all those items in game. its a QOL thing not a p2w. non EOD accounts kill EOD accounts a whole bunch. if you pay for an account and miss shots suck at the game generally youre not winning regardless of how much money you invest
You seem to be assuming that EoD have an unlimited supply of cms, propital etc. Once the first stuff is used up, that's it like everyone else. EoD doesn't have some secret access to this stuff apart from the select amount which are in the stash at start of wipe. At the end of the day, this game comes down to who wins in a gunfight. I don't know what's in your stash, you don't know what's in mine. I guess all the times I've died, EoD must have been cheating me out of my pay2win status huh?
@@Alphardus No, I'm correctly assuming EoD players have the safe container space to actually bring it into raid and use it. Then they have more money than standard editions to buy more. Of course EoD doesn't guarantee you win, because most EoD players are total garbage at the game. Call it "Pay4Advantage" if you like, that's all P2W means.
100%. I have to make a big decision every load out deciding what goes in the Alpha and what is at loss risk
How the fuck is it a QOL if you have to PAY in order to obtain said "thing"....@@drinkmorecocacola
Absolutely brilliant video. It was really good to actually include the old video of Nikita, too. I think that actually gives us (the people who love and enjoy this game) some context. Yes, developing games is expensive, paying 200+ people's salaries is expensive, and the attributed costs to running a business or game development studio are expensive. So it makes sense to see what other ways they can raise some capital. Micro transactions make sense. If they stay true to what they say in regards, it's stash rows and clothing. That sort of stuff is absolutely fine. I am delighted they said no to boosting or being able to buy gear. I had a sigh of relief when i heard that.
They shouldn't have microttansactions to a game that costs money to buy. They literally promised no microttansactions for years, so f*** them for adding them anyways.
They dont get a pass for having "acceptable" microttansactions. There are no acceptable microttansactions when you purchased the game.
Dead game within 1 year i promise you.
Pest - you've always been one of the content creators who isn't afraid to speak his mind. (Even in the past when most of the scene was afraid to, ie cheaters, etc.) I appreciate the opportunity to have a look into your mind on one of my favorite titles of all time. I hope in the future the cheating/desync issues can be worked out - they have pushed me away from the game in the meantime. Arena really put a spotlight on just how much time/lag there is between server side & client side.. as well as the cheating issue. Thanks man, keep up the great work! You're definitely my favorite Tark creator!
I think keeping the money flowing is good, since game dev isn't cheap. Stash space for real world money isn't too bad if you can actually get those lines in game by playing. Since it just lets you hoard more stuff, it doesn't effect gameplay that much. Containers are out of the question, due to the reasons Pest said.
I'd love to have a supporter edition that gives you a cool icon or something to show for it. I purely bought that exact thing for deep rock galactic because I wanted to support the developers. It's also purely the reason I bought EOD.
Nikita has been able to do some incredible things with the hand he's been dealt, especially with the whole brain drain situation in Russia.
Thanks for the video Pest
Mtx gotta start somewhere. Now EOD, their deluxe version, isnt special edition at all. Mtx always starts somewhere.
It’s a slippery slope, we will see A LOT more micro transactions in the game. And why not, people will justify it the same way: they need money. Except they, Nikita really, continually make bad business decisions and their incompetence wastes god only knows how much money. My question is, why are you funding that? Is it because you have no idea it’s happening?
Nikita’s word isn’t worth anything, but he doesn’t report to shareholders who would probably have him step down at this point. A few years ago this games development was funded in perpetuity and we have not once heard their were issues with cash flow. All of a sudden, and I don’t even think they’ve said they have issues with funding currently, they just pull the trigger on it. Pestily paints a very rosey picture but the reality is quite grim with Nikita and BSG. It is like they have learned NOTHING in nearly 10 years of working on this game or in this business. You people want to invest more in these people? I just don’t get it. Look at how incompetently done Arena was. Are you not seeing a trend here people?
I’ve been very worried about EFT’s future the last few years and this might just be the bell tolling. We’re never going to get what they promised…
@@mgs85 we literally just had easily the best wipe patch out of all the wipes. Not sure why you are so doomerpilled
@@swordyshield The best wipe ever when ~75% of all EFT purchases haven't even tried it? Glad you had fun kid, but there have been better patches. Maybe you don't have a great frame of reference because you only joined in very recently?
These things should occur to you before you start spreading your opinions around but they won't, because you're a moron.
I’m soooo glad you found success and enjoyed tarkov! Especially coming from infantry background you make the community a lot of fun!
Tarkov is v1.0 ready imo and if the devs find ways (like adding paid dlc’s (new maps, traders, questlines) for consistent revenue, make tarkov more tournament esports ready for big revenue events, i think the playerbase could be there to support them to continue to update/fix bugs for the game.
I have a sneaky feeling they're going to make the additional stash space for that wipe only, so you have to keep coming back to buy it again and again.
Always been impressed by the way you keep it real. You are easily one of the biggest Tarkov streamers, clearly loved by the Devs, but you always speak your mind. Many thanks.
I was talking to my roommate about earning stash lines and I was thinking they could be tied to achievements since there's nothing going on with them at the moment
Makes sense to us but makes them no money so no sense to them 😭
that's not an original idea that was literally what he did last wipe
you and your roommate must not play eft much. there was a competition last year to gain extra permanent stash space for like 10 different categories.
Your parents play tarkov that's pretty neat.
you didnt have to murder him. im glad you did though.@@bankleaks1217
My main takes why its pay2win are (and we looking at this from an average tarkov player perspective)
1. EoD gives you about 42mil rubbles in stash upgrades. Here biggest advantage of it is time that standard edition players have to spend managing their small stash cause it fills up after 2-3 survived raid, and we talking hours and hours and obviously 42 mil is huge amount of rubbles.
2. Gamma container is huge. Not only you can bring a lot more from raid in it, but also each time you die you save a lot of rubbles just because all your meds, survival kits are there, later docs etc. People say: "But you can do epsilon case pretty fast" I say for average player it's not fast and that easy it takes a lot more time than you think.
3. Traders rep. I don't know why this getting overlooked sometimes. Traders rep is big, on top of other advantages already. This means that EoD owner gonna have gear advantage pace by having higher lvl traders all the time, we talking attachments, guns, meds, faster doc case barter etc.
Overall I would estimate EoD progression advantage in 150-200 hours, this could be way more depends on a player. Also we have to consider that bigger % of players don't even play that long in wipe and they dont even get their lvl 4 stashes, lvl 4 traders. If you are regular guy with a job, maybe family or other responsibilities at this point you have to buy EoD in order to play the game, and not wasting your few hours of free time managing small stash, but unfortunately its not even available anymore.
On my stream months ago I said EoD is pay2win. I was laughed at mainly by EoD owners, they thought I was joking but here we are, Pestily making video about it. Who is laughing now lol.
AKA it makes it easier to not loose money but does not make it easier to survive. Therefore, it isn't pay2win because it doesn't give you an inherent in-game advantage. You bought the special edition of the game but it doesn't make you any better than anyone else. Is it more forgiving with that access? Yes. Is there an advantage monetarily? Yes, but that's not what pay2win means. If money = winning then why are people still playing with 42 million in their stash?
lol? i am eod but it is p2w it gives u acces to better gear earlier lol @@DanK520
@@DanK520 if thinking critically = winning, then you are losing
Have EOD, it should be an option for a basic account to buy a gamma
I've played the game on standard since 2018 and no one will ever convince me to lose my dignity
EOD is a ease of life perk. I played 3 wipes with the standard account getting to almost all max traders and after just upgrading to EOD before it ended the start of the game is a night and day difference, but also at the same time for me took some of the fun out of the game It was actually fun having to progress through the levels to get extra stash space and to upgrade your secure container like the beta from peacekeeper and epsilon from punisher. I always felt accomplished hitting these little milestones and now with EOD its gone and the game doesn't feel the same and I don't enjoy it as much. Next wipe I think I'll get another standard account and just play it
100% makes your life easier - I don't know why he's trying so hard to say it's filled with microtransactions and is pay2win lately... he's gone clickbait lol.
I feel like stash space is chill as long as it's that only and it persists through wipes lol
Paid rows will, quests rows prob won’t
Imagine if Next wipe EOD stash space will be same as standard edition and you have to pay for more stash space
Give them an inch and they will take a mile. We have seen this sort of behavior time and time again in the gaming industry.. just look at shit like Diablo 4... or GTA... or Call of duty.. or any EA game.
There is absolutely zero reason to believe a Developer/publisher when they say "this will be the only thing we give for real money, we promise!"
Especially since BG has allready proven to not be reliable when it comes to their promises.
Nah, i paid full price for the game, give me access to the full game. Dont paywall my enjoyment.
It will absolutely not end with stash space and we all know it.
if the clothing unlock makes the some of the clothes unlock at the start of the wipe for players to buy in game, that sounds like a pretty W pack, some of those clothes take a large play time commitment, helping the devs and allowing people to get those towards the start with in game money. (i'd imagine that outfit is unlocked on your account to buy in game for ever)
They did remove the biggest benefit from the reputation on eft at some point. I do not know when but I saw that pk2 no longer requires any reputation, meaning eod and non eod will unlock pk2 at level 14 and not after doing a chunk of his quests anymore.
No one has talked about this but do we have to buy these " extra lines " every wipe or just once ?
Once iirc
@@andyderp6473 yeah, that's how I see it too - the only reason this seems to be a thing is because you can't get EOD anymore and they still want people to be able to pay to get to that point- at least stash wise. Who knows if EOD will be able to add 100 rows or just 10 but everyone is upset before hearing the details because of course they are.
@@andyderp6473 It's BSG, anything they say is a lie till proven otherwise at this point.
I myself have EoD, you say you can make a fortune quickly putting things in your case and live or die you can make a fortune… I for one still jump when shot at and also suffer from adrenaline rushes when the fight takes place lol. I really don’t mind with these type of transactions, I’ll still play the game the same way I’ve always played and enjoy it regardless. Love the videos Pest, keep up the great work you do for your community!!!
Pay-to-Win
Cambridge Dictionary:
in computer games, involving or relating to the practice of paying to get weapons, abilities, etc. that give you an advantage over players who do not spend money.
Wikipedia:
Noun. pay to win (uncountable) (video games) The ability and/or practice of exchanging real-world currency for an in-game benefit.
Urban Dictionary:
"Pay-to-win" or "P2W", is a pejorative term for a game that offers any advantage that can be obtained faster or exclusively via commercial transactions over gameplay rewards or the impact of the player's own performance.
I'd argue better rep and better 'safe' storage don't fit those definitions since it's not an inherent in-game advantage - it doesn't give you more damage, better jumping, or better survivability in the slightest. It does make dying slightly less punishing and easier to keep certain items, like heals but you can get all those items for free - including the rep and stash space by just playing the game so therefore it is not pay2win by either definition. Of course, people can go the other way too but inherent advantage is the main sticking point for me and it gives you no bonuses once you load into a raid - it's only when you get out or die that's its a slight advantage but not enough to 'win' as they say.
@@DanK520your argument is bad lol
Just FYI the steam cut starts at 30% and drops down as sales increase. I'm not sure of the exact steps but the lowest cut of a game I've worked on is 20% so it can be significant drop. Most other platforms like Microsoft/XBOX charge 30% also.
A buddy and i started the wipe at the same time. I have eod and he has standard, i have most of my traders to lvl 2 and one level 3 he has finally gotten Prapor lvl 2 and we play basically the same amount of time after work... EOD definitely gives you a massive advantage... i have access to better ammo and armor making me survive gun fights a lot more often than him... whoever doesn't think that isn't p2w i dunno what else to say...
It’s literally not pay to win. That would imply I could buy my way to endgame at the start of a wipe. It sounds to me like a skill issue mixed with loadout issue
@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk Brother, you PAY more to WIN more. Just because your definition of P2W is being able to buy your way to endgame doesn't mean that having access to higher tier armor, ammo, and weapons before others, simply because you PAID more money, is not P2W.
@@AkatsukiXeno by that logic having a $3,000 PC is pay to win 😂
@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jkyour stupidity frustrates me
It's basically what they had before. Just separated from the EOD. This actually probably makes it easier for most people to obtain the stash size
Here's to hoping they don't re-fuck pistol recoil.
What they do?
@@nathanmitchell7961 they increased pistol recoil significantly in patch 14.1.
@@randyb4191 If the patch already is live then pistols are still fine, didn't notice a difference yesterday and im a little pistol rat person
@Sparsse patch 14.1 was release then rolled back so yes pistols are back now but I did testing in the shooting range during the small window patch 14.1 was out and pistol recoil was significantly increased. With a modified glock, 1911A1, and 5.7 I tested a shot taken at 15m on the silhouette initially aimed at high thorax, the follow up shots would fly clean over the target.
Kedr is feeling different but I'm not sure if I'm just imagining things or what
Pest thanks for doing these videos, you take big subjects, and make them bite sized, and its fantastic. I think people are over reacting to the microtransactions. I know you say that peoples mental gymnastics to avoid calling it P2W are wild. But personally the mental gymnastics are not much. Compare Tarkov to an MMO, most MMO's employ a subscription method, with most they implement a hard level cap. Take Eve online as an extreme example. Your progress in EVE online, is purely skill tree time. So say you want to fly a capital ship, you never have to actually play the game to reach that level of gameplay. You just need to pay a subscription, and put the skills in a queue and wait (Several years, but still), but without paying a subscription EVERY MONTH, you cant even make 1/100th the progress to flying a capital ship. Its just not possible, this is far more p2w than anything BSG has implemented.
Eve is not even egregiously p2w they just have a subscription fee, and its been that way a long time, they dont call it that anymore, but it is what it is. However there are games out there that are EGREGIOUSLY p2w. Where buying even a few little things can grant you a MASSIVE abillity to trounce the competition.
Hell even take some of the stuff that has happened in the COD franchise over the years. i havent stayed close to COD over the years, but i know that there was a MASSIVE controversy over a particular set of clothing, that nearly made the player invisible in most circumstances. This by itself, grants a massive advantage to any player who chooses to pay for it. And it effects the gameplay for anyone who did not pay for it. where as any player who buys a single line of stash space, really is not going to find that much advantage over other players.
I think its a bit hard for someone like you Pestily, to understand how little a change this makes for someone like me who is by all defenition a casual tarkov player. I at most can commit maybe if im lucky 12 hours to tarkov per week. You know as well as anyone that 12 hours means maybe 10 raids, and a whole lot of organization.
Adding one row to my stash hardly gives me any benefit. Particularly when your not as versed as someone like you, who knows EXACTLY what items to take, and what to leave behind in a raid, i have close to 3 or 400 hours on tarkov at this point, and i still find myself taking an item out of raid just to see what it is worth. Granted i usually just check tarkov market while in game, but still.
Anyways, excellent video Pest, i appreciate you.
As an EoD player who doesn't have a lot of time to play, I definitely have a significant advantage over my standard friend who has even less time to play. I understand where they are going with this, but I think it just needs to be thought out a little better. I can't complain about microtransactions for things like skins and stuff because that's (usually) not game breaking, and games like this definitely need an influx of money that isn't just people purchasing the game at a set price. I've never had a problem with paid skins, but some of the stuff like stash space and containers is 100% an advantage.
Another thing I think people are forgetting is due to the war to get any type of dollars or Euros or yen into rubles cost $300 to 4 times as much as it did two or three years ago. So they're losing that much more money on everything people purchase.
Yeah Russians invasion of Ukraine has definitely affected their team. Plus Russia has had a severe brain drain so anybody with legit skills gets a job in the west, makes sense why they have to train people in house to do the job instead of being able to pay top dollar for qualified people. Your point about dollars to rubbles is a very real thing Russians are dealing with but I don’t feel too bad because majority of Russians support the invasion.
its always been pay to win. The difference in the wipe when I upgraded to EOD was massive. No longer loosing expensive meds, able to secure expensive loot.
They made their deluxe version have something their standard didnt. I like the idea of getting something in game and its not a poster or cosmetic or something dumb for the extra money i spend on deluxe versions... now with mtx being introduced you should just run.
Love your content you make probably the best Tarkov content and also give so much info on everything that the game puts out to the best of your ability miss being able to chat live on twitch with you but I can still watch and I very much agree with what you've said in this video. cant wait to catch your next stream maybe I'll get unbanned in your chat in the next un-ban wave you do so i can ask questions again as you have been such a great person to ask anything Tarkov and also some nice life advice.
arena is bombing because you have to play 1 kit for 30 hours to unlock the next, the amount of time required to grind it makes me feel like I should enter my credit card to bypass it, they need to redo the leveling/unlock system entirely, they really should just mimic cod with leveling to unlock items to make custom classes.
The double xp helps a lot and i think it's permanent now? I enjoy grinding each weapon/class as it forces you to really get to know each gun, but yeah, it's a little too long.
They should also probably have introduced casual before ranked and allowed you to level the weapons there. I play almost exclusively solo and I haven't been worrying about ARP and even dropped to D at one point. I've got almost all the t4 kits at this stage, multiple t5 kits and 3 or 4 t6s. TBH some of the funner kits have been T1-T3, certainly funner games where everybody is not just holding an angle for the whole game.
I played eft originally back in 2018 upgraded to EOD within a day or two. In previous wipes I would get to level 30-40 then reset because I was getting bored and wanted to freshen up my playthrough But I was still using EOD. Then last year I purchased a standard edition of the game once again to try it out. There were a few things that took a while to get past. The alpha container was small and I couldn't take in the meds I usually would. But you could buy a beta container from peacekeeper pretty early and also to Punisher part 6 relatively easily. The stash space was rough but in buying containers it somewhat negated the stash space also with the addition of the hideout being able to upgrade your stash made an addition of interest for the game for wanting to grind towards something. The biggest hit to progression is the Rep that you get from EOD or other versions. On EOD you start with a 0.2 rep for each trader, which makes a significant difference early game for getting higher level traders. Especially if you're solo where for doing tasks like gunsmith would require specific parts you could find (maybe) or purchase at LL2 jaeger or skier or what have you but it would take much longer to get there. I would say like Pest often says that like Path of Exile.
It's pay for convenience not necessarily Pay to Win. That entirely depends on your definition of winning. The aim of the game is to level up and go through your tasks so, personally I would say that has a big dependance on your individual skill level and also your patience with the game. But others will only associate winning in tarkov with the amount of roubles in their stash which having better editions or with the newer microtransactions would be made easier through these methods.
Its p2w and with EoD it was capped at a certain point, i personally am fine with p2w like that where at a certain point everybody is equal. As long as that point is reasonable priced which eod is, barely but it is.
With the upcoming changes i just hope they dont have infinite scaling p2w, for example the bis kits being able to get with money, or infinite stash size
$140 = reasonably priced? It's an absurdly high price for a video game.
Very reasonable and logical take, big respect to you Pesty, love you, love your content, voices of reason are very important and you do a great job.
stash expansion cool for people without EOD but extra lines will flop
IMO if they want money
1. Gloves MAKE GLOVES some scavs have unique colors to theirs and would be nice to see on a PMC
2. Glukhar guards have tattoos - make clothing that isnt in game and only purchasable thro a cosmetic shop same as the gloves idea, short sleeves with tatts, neck tatts, scaring, watches. and just all around unique clothing in a cosmetic shop. Purchasing ingame clothing early is only going to appeal to a minority of players.
3. Weapon camos DDpat, Digital, Floral, hell even something cool like red tiger designs from COD4 with urban coloring and other listed camos with bring in money
simply doing offline co-op, stash upgrades and the other petty stuff mention will only go so far
If they wanna monetize with micros, cosmetics is the way to go no doubt.
That has to be the WORST Idea with Skins! If u want skins go play COD, But NO ONE in tarkov want to be killed by a Pink Nicky Minaj like in COD and that is what that would end up with! Im fine with extra Strash and the Clothing ALREADY in the game, But if they start adding new lame colour clothes this game wont have the same "Realism" Appeal anymore
@@purecandy5059 doesn't have to be shit like CoD. Just different outfits akin to what we can buy from rag man
@@purecandy5059 your brain is bad lol - you see COD mentioned and go full R instantly
Ive usualy had more fun playing my standar account over my EOD. its very rough since you cant hoard quest items you need far into the future but the extra rep/space its just conveniences in my experience. keep your value in cash and not items helps alot of the space issues. only problem is when u want to hoard stuff you never use .
There are some more serious issues and implications with the different editions. All the parts it touches cannot be used basically for the game design and balance cause then that means some editions get the wrong experience. Stash size can't be a carefully considered part for the game design cause then some edition is out of whack, so that means its just there incovenience standard players so they pay up. And now you can't change it anymore cause those things are part of a sold product and you might open yourself up to lawsuits if you remove it. All cause BSG couldn't think of things to put into those editions that aren't ingame advantages. You can't even not use those advantages, if you want a standard start as EoD you need to buy a new account. Option to start a wipe with whatever editions loadout and maybe an even harder start would be a great addition to EoD. Call it the Left to Die start, where you start with barely anything, only a 2 slot security container no container. And you get a few tasks extra to earn a standard container and later gamma. Reward could be that your dog tag might look different or you get some cosmetic to show that you are extra hardcore. Just something so it isn't just that you paid more money for easier mode.
great vid, pest not played this wipe so great info!
i agree with the Co-op, EOD host only or cheap Co-op is a step in the right direction!
Honestly another way to see it, it cuts down time and sadly some people don't have that luxury. I'm sure there are still people working 8 hours only to be underleveled for the couple hours they play.
This..
Yeah if you can't dedicate a lot of time, this game is brutal
Ah yes, the classic p2w copium line
@@jermu8706 Well, the alternative is to spin up some tarkov cheats. That too will give you the ability to play the game under high working hours IRL. Pick your poison, I guess.
Or just you know, realize that tarkov is not a 9-5 friendly game and boot up warzone or something.@@aoqia
The secure container was always the issue. Hence suggesting it be swapped to the 2x4 inead of a 3x3 causes people to lose thier minds. It is only 1 slot lost. The second best container should not have been a transaction. There is no equivalent in game.
they wont take away what people paid for. better solution would be making the epsilon csase less grind and maybe adding the gamma as late game quest
Dude it always was p2w with EOD, the larger stash not so much but gamma and the starter rep for each trader is insane.
shit I even dont know about traders rep. i was wondering how friends with EOD have jagger level 3, when they are behind me in quests. That is so fu.k up
@@painter3570 Literally bullshit. You have to be a certain level and have sold/bought a certain amount. It seems your friends are just better than you. It has nothing to do with ''Quests''.
@@Alphardus How do you know he hasn't spent the same amount on the trader and isn't the same level as his friends? Even if he was, EoD would still have more rep and thus level the trader while being behind him on quests. Think before you type next time. 🤡
@@Alphardus lol, maybe play game. You need reputation + level + spend money, I have money and level and Im missing reputation, that you get from quests only, I have more quests done with trader then friend, but he has higher loyalty level, because he have 0.2 rep bonus from EOD edition
@@Alphardus first wipe clown huh
3:23 hexlooms Feb 12 post. *chefs kiss*
This wipe i had one first mission and that was get the punisher quest done ASAP. now with epsilon im chilling but it did hurt alot of progress
great video keep up the great work
It's crazy that whethet EOD is p2w or not is still an argument. You can bring a whole survival kit , injector , Pain killer of your choice and still have 4 spaces left. Standard does not have that luxury. This doesn't even account for how you need to spend roubles to upgrade stash and higher starter trader reps.
Anything paid that was more than cosmetic was at one point “outrageous”, and horribly p2w, but now it’s “Just a head start bro..” it’s literally just the next step up and people let it happen
Gamma gives such a huge advantage particularly in early wipe when you can just carry a grizzly on you at lvl 1 and still get 5 spaces for other stuff. Im so carried by it at this point since i can carry two extra stacks of good ammo with no risk + meds and a docs case. standard players have to sacrifice bringing a lot of what eod players consider "essential" to a raid which negatively impacts their survivability/progression at least until they get a beta container.
If thats your srgument is enough for me to tell how bad you guys area tthe game. Alpha pouch, fits a cms, injector, keytool. Ive done it you sure also can. Dont worry ull get there eventually.
@@bumbleecorp9824 your brain is bad - all other things being equal, EOD is only advantages, how you cannot fathom this is crazy. hopefully you'll get there eventually.
@@genesises cry a river kid. Lesrn to play the game
When I bought the game the main thing that put me off from it was that I barley had any stash space, hopefully there is a in game feature in which you can upgrade the stash in the future.
As a new player, with standard account. I was gonna 'upgraded' for more space. Now I can buy rows of space? How much and is it limited by the account you have?
28 rows per account supposedly
@@AfkaSound even for standard? And why even bother 'upgraded' accounts,at this point right? I literally was gonna upgrade my account last week. Last thing I got a PayPal card 'fee' of like 6 bucks. So if u upgrade slowly it could get expensive fast. I got a feeling it's not gonna be cheap nor expensive but just enough for you to feel the price.
@@JoeHasGas They are littearly selling the EOD Package separate.
@@FluePeak so if I dont want arena just space I should just wait for them to offer this ??
@@JoeHasGas tbf if we know Nikita like we do, the stash space is going to be expensive like Pestiliy said 2 rows for 10 bucks is probably what it is going to be.
Thanks for the detailed info on all that lad 😎exactly what I was looking for on the topic without being dramatic about it
a lot of people forgot about Contract Wars , yes it was f2p but heavy heavy p2w .once a company starts they always will try to see how far they can go ,...
I am heavily surprised Pestily is not adressing the fact that they already had a game before EFT with Bear and Usec.
And that they had their funds from that game because it was painfully p2w.
@@Samael_O66are you really? Pestily has always had rose tinted goggles on about BSG and Nikita.
this wipe i will reach lvl 15! great video, nice insights :)
by all means I'm not a good Tarkov player, i have a lot of hours into the game and enjoy it heaps. i bought edge of darkness simply because it boosted my start to wipes and also the gamma container was pog. Anyone who thinks EOD isn't pay to win is just kidding themselves
EoD has always been Pay To Win (or more accurately, pay to have an advantage). As a standard edition player, i have never had gripes with that. It was available to everyone, and people that paid that extra money (it was way too much in Australian dollars for me to justify) were supporting the developer in getting the game done, as well as making sure Nikita was well fed! I also enjoy the progression as a standard edition player. Expanding the stash, getting the 4x2 container after finishing Punisher. These are significant achievements for the standard edition player. Levelling up traders are also significant milestones.
Personally i think EOD size stash should be the limit. And they should make it available for other game edition owners to buy more stash up to that limit. As for offline co-op, I hope that the cost for that is not too much. Of course it is irrelevant to the pay-for-an-advantage discussion.
Will the stash upgrades be permanent if i buy them? Or will they be reset after each wipe? Couldnt find something about that on reddit
Yea fuck that, paying only have it for 6 months
@@DRSHANKERpeople paying $350/mo for cheats won't care.
Probably permanent
seems like its something you buy on your account page just like whatever edition you go with. wouldnt really make sense if the upgrades reset, seems kinda obvious a subscription based stash size is against their vision.
Permanent lol they are not that fucked up
Depends on what you see as winning. I've been running a standard account since day 1 and I have no issue winning fights against EOD players. Yeah the stash size is annoying but I just sell everything and work towards stash size upgrades in hideout as well as item cases from therapist. Use high storage ratio rigs to maximize the amount of loot you can keep. Same thing for container, alpha sucks so I work towards beta container. Like others are saying rep boost is a different story because it does allow EOD players to buy better gear initially. The best counter to this is to rat and avoid fights until you level up traders.
Overall it is technically P2W but not in the same way as games that literally make it almost impossible to challenge P2W players. Like War Thunder, high tier planes and tanks would take years of grinding to unlock without paying for them. Tarkov P2W is more like pay for convenient features but as a EOD players you're still vulnerable to standard accounts.
Hey pestily! Can you do a how to run lighthouse video. Out of all the maps this has to be the most frustrating map of them all.
He told me to tell you "No"
Pestily hates Lighthouse lol
@@mattt525 don’t we all 😂😂
@@adin1674 its only good for scav runs. I'm dreading having to run it.
Pestily you're 100% right on this
i need a microtransaction for some sunglasses with pest's crome dome blinding me
:D
I respect the hustle
7:00 Main Quest Rewards is what i think Nikita was alluding too. Maybe even prestige unlocks
Pest, you didn't talk about the big ticket item, will the RBA drop interest rates next month and do you support stage 3 tax cuts.
I think this is actually a good thing because there are some people who maybe cannot afford Edge of Darkness but they want that extra space and reputation early in the game because maybe they can only play once or twice a week they don't have dozens of hours to pour into the game. This enables casual players to do better and while yes other players will benefit from this it makes it easier for the Casual player
Hot take offline singleplayer/co op mode should really be its own game mode with separate character and stash.
Single player Tarkov would be fun.
SP tarkov mod (shhhhh)@@mcfuller
they need to add EFT and arena intergration... you should be able to complete tasks from EFT within arena, for example pistol kills, killing pmcs over 55m, bolt action kills... They will lift arena up massively with that cross over progression. It is needed!
that would completely break so many tasks, so do they leave the tasks broken and easily completed via arena? or do they adjust the values to be higher and put people who don't play arena at a disadvantage? Sounds like a pretty terrible idea to me.
IMO if they want a steady revenue stream, the best bet would be weapons skins (that don't disappear from your inventory when the weapon is taken ofcourse), more types of clothing, gear camo patterns, and maybe even different laser colours lol
But yeah EoD is effectively P2W and its benefits are quite massive, particularly the secure container and the starting trader rep. Gaining .20 rep for each trader takes quite a bit of effort, especially for newer or more casual players. So I'd prefer they level that playing field and put their long-term revenue elsewhere.
i agree as long as they keep cosmetics realistic i think if you buy a skin you can apply it to the relevant piece of gear as a modifier that it keeps, even if someone else kills you and takes it. like being able to change the color of a specific rig.
I bought EOD for arena. At level 45 with EOD I have about 70 million, and about 180m stash value. Previously I used to have about half that. I've never had so much money to be able to afford level 5 armors, best guns, injector case, upgrade the hideout with items after dying, and all those things all add up. Injector case itself has saved me multiple times in a fight - zagustin and green when like 3 bleeds and 60 hp. Then I was able to heal up to almost full with the SURV. EOD is absolutely pay to win, after playing normal for so long I can atest to it. You had to totally grind out Punisher before to even come close.
stash lines isnt pay to win, people have been with EoD giving rep, free kits to start, etc etc, like i have EoD but i can accept it was a pay to get ahead/have an advantage pack
Yeah fuck grinding every wipe when you can buy eod lmao
the game is the ultimate equalizer... you dont need EOD to win. and you can EASILY die with EOD... (TRUST ME lol) having stash space is QOL not even a little bit of p2w cause any gun can kill you.
mac and cheese is a thing, and you could kill chads.
As someone who started standard and played with many people who played standard who while we are all progressing had to spend MILLIONS to just catch up in stash size makes it certainly a massive advantage I have over them which I have solely because I paid more than them
EoD start is great for timmies like me, helped lose gear fear pretty fast, 2 days into wipe empty stash and 5k roubles running with scav knife and bouncing back to few mil during this wipe was fun
Its pay2play ... u waste less time if u have space. thats it ... for me its QOL thing
Dude your content is top shelf. Thanks for all the effort you put into it
Bro, EOD was here for how many years now?
some will always cry about everything. 🤷♂️ no matter what and how much you give them.
Been trash the whole time.
Idk like 7 years or something?
Heres the fix: you know how there is "special equipment" why don't we have 1-3 slots for "medicine" that you take with you each raid. That way these secure containers are more for quest items and actual loot so new players can progress faster and easier without having to stuff their entire case with a grizzly.
why use a grizzly, just take bandage , heavy bleed, that costs u 10k then in gamma all u got is docs case, cms and splint which u can just chuck out if needed, injectors case for heals and for finding stims
Thats just my Opionion :
If u have EOD and u are good at Tarkov the Extra Space is a real good QOL thing and not actually Pay2Win.. its a bit of Pay2play.
For Poor people and Timmys in Tarkov , they cry about it and i can understand it.
Most Items must be Found in Raid, so the EOD isnt that much Pay2win but yeah its still pay2win. Having more space in the Early Wipe for "SETUP or sth" stacking ushunkas or sth. (just an example its NICE to have) cuz later u have enough space lvl 4 therapist 2 or 3 ITEM THICC cases , u have anyways Tons of space.
Thats why i said timmys cry or bad players or just Tarkov players with less time need 2-3 Months to get Therapist lvl 4.
But its NOT gameplay Pay2win... its not like that u can buy for Real money for ammo with better Pen or sth. And the Dev"s have a bit money safe for the Next game they wanna develope...
i can understand it at the end but for me its not a big Deal and a good QOL thing.
PS: Nice VOD Pest like always
We need a ONE ON ONE interview between you and Nikita
ahh, that's why they don't get rid of cheaters 😆or they do, and they buy new accounts...
Exactly! They'll be double dipping now too since cheaters will most likely buy extra stash space to store all their cheater obtained loot.
Yeah I'm really feeling the basic stash after my friend roped me into this game a few days before the wipe... Trying to save stuff for quests and building the hideout AND keep more than 2 rifles in the stash feels kinda brutal, cant keep a backpack reasoably unless you fill it, and if you're trying to save anything (maybe something that rarely is found) that you have in mind as being needed later?? Prepare to spend HOURS in the menu shuffling the shit around before and after every raid. You fill the thing up in maybe an hour.
Spend half my time playing inventory tetris, then an hour later I could be out of weapons with bad luck.
this is only a big deal if you are doing as you are saying, saving everything. Once you get a bit of money (really easy to do in this game) you can just buy containers, even before flea market you can buy scav junkboxes to store all your hideout and most quest items. Stacking backpacks is what you should be doing with or without EOD as well so realistically backpacks are a non issue. Not being able to stack a bunch of guns feels pretty bad but realistically you don't want to be stacking scav guns etc anyways since they are really low durability so it's not as big of an issue unless you just never die and keep getting more and more guns from pmcs.
EOD dont win you games. It ''helps'' you win games and even that is a (maybe).
All it does is pay for stash. You pay money to grind less. Literally every single game does that. Why else would you pay more money for it then?
If it would give you full stash of meta guns with meta gear, meta armors with best ammo in the game then sure.
EOD was fine and i didnt even bought it. Cuz I love to grind in some of the games. Tarkov is included in that list for me personally.
I have EOD for the first time this wipe , i've never been richer, i spend maybe 10% as i did b4 on meds ammo and making out with way more loot
without EOD i found it hard to go over 3 MIL , now i have 15 mil thanks to EOD MachineDFace88
Finally someone understands. Its more a QoL that a P2W.
As a new player, I honestly don't want or care for anything other than a larger secure container. It doesn't even need go be Gamma, just anything bigger would be great. I'd be much further along if I had even a couple more squares in my secure container, but I'm now forced to he permanently behind because I don't even have an option for any upgrade until much much further down the line
So they let you get the EOD Stash by paying for it? Okay? Who cares, that doesn't affect anyone in any real way you get plenty of stash space regardless, people are just hoarders and try to keep everything they find. Not Pay 2 Win, if Tarkov was Pay 2 Win they would let you buy the best ammo/armor for real money.
You don't have any idea what "Pay 2 Win" means.
Exactly this. EoD isn't ''Pay 2 Win'' by any stretch of the imagination compared to other games which have literal pay2win. Which in fps games involves being able to purchase a gun which is significantly better than others, significantly better armour etc. EoD isn't giving you a gun which shoots faster or has better ammo than anyone else. At the end of the day, this game is about whether you win in a gunfight or not. Doesn't matter what shit you have in your stash or secure container.
@@Alpharduswhich game allows you to do this? you are pretty stupid if you think pay2win = cheating, and everything else is QoL. perfect consumer.
Eod does have an advantage and as a casual player I appreciate it I have more money than time (this isn’t a flex it’s a sad reality )
As someone with EOD, if I was a competent player I could probably make use the extra stash space and the other perks it gives like starting trader rep increased. But i think all editions should have their stash space increased by like 50 slots at least. I also think everyone should have a weapon they start with (of their own choosing with restrictions, like no rpd or super awesome sniper) that they can't lose, but can lose the ammo for it. I love EFT but it's so overly complicated or difficult for no reason at times. Not to mention other stuff like how the game needs more optimization and other fixes.
I've been playing on and off for nearly five years now on a standard account. Truth is, I like the progression. Having a Gamma container and max stash from the get-go takes away a good chunk of the progression. The Epsilon is an amazing reward for questing.
It would be even cooler if the Beta would be easier to obtain. It's way too expensive and it's therefore usually skipped.
bruh i bought the standard edition of eft and was hellaaa annoyed when i learned that most and if not most of all eft players had that eod version of the game which gives you a hugee boost and advantage right of the bat, (i know it doesn't make you a better shooter etc, git guud) i'm talking about the grind aspect of things. and then i was even more annoyed when i learned that for some stupid ass reason the devs decided to take down the eod version of the game..i mean alright then i won't give you money whatever. but now learn that they took it down because they realized how stupid it was to give players arena andddd all those boosts that come together with eod in one single package( basically they want more money lmaooo so they took it down) and now they've come out with a new expansions system where they will start selling things from the game "sold separately" like bruh. anyways nice vid as always pesti
I personally really like arena it’s really good with mates I do prefer the 2v2 and 3v3 over 5v5 but I’m excited for the 1v1 mode and other game modes to come out for it I’ll always keep supporting arena as much as I can
realistically they've added the microtransactions for the additional stash space etc is due to the removal of EOD we all knew it was coming however those who couldn't get it prior still have the chance to skip ahead an avoid a lot of grinding while still supporting BSG all for we know it could be a minor cost compared to paying for EOD in full, it could just be £10 to have a maxed out stash compared to paying £120 for EOD. if its permeant to the account i think its grand if its per wipe then we grab the pitch forks
thanks for the context information, appreciate it
5:57 "10 dollars, 2 lines", where have I heard that before? 😂
Spin it however u want guys..
Call it pay for convinience, or QoL..
But in the end, you pay to get something normal players dont get which makes is P2W.. P2W does not mean u get a "kill all" buttom, it means, get an advantage over people who doesnt spend they money, and you do.
More room = Less time spent organizing stash which means more raids/hour, which in the end means more loot/hour.
Also more room to save quest items, so u dont have to sell it to a vendor(pre-flea), and then go find it again because u had to sell it..
Yea sure, its not a HUGE advantage.. Its less than EoD, and dont get me started on EoD...
And yes, u can play without this... BUT its STILL an advantage, and by definition, that makes it p2w
Fantastic review and love an honest opinion. Thank you so much. Will always like your content but need to remember to drop a comment ❤
Ive only played the basic account for 1000 hours and honestly its like your playing a different game than eod from strats you can run in raid to just being able to have more loot in stash and progress faster, and in terms of fights, eod can fit a grizzly, injectors ,and docs case in their BUTT. Tarkov has always been pay to win but with these updates i feel it makes it more accessible to the community so I'm actually happy with these micros
Well the issue with the co-op mode is that it is not offline really. It is an online mode with limited number of players. So... They must pay for the hardware that host coop games. The only solution where they don't need to do that is community server hosting. Unfortunately it requires publishing the server binary and it is a big risk. Many malicious people would be able to get their hands on it and reverse engineer to build new cheats. Not many companies decide to allow public server hosting nowadays. Yeah, it would be great if we could spawn an EfT server as we can do with Minecraft or DayZ, but I don't think it will ever happen. If you think that it would be possible to "host" the game yourself, run the off-line and see how much more stressed is your CPU comparing to the regular online game. My PC chokes at the raid start and it is not a weak machine.
You should check SPT-aki then (single player tarkov)
I know it wont happen but goddamn this game would be so much more fun (in my opinion) if I could co op w my friends instead of having to go against sweats constantly
hot take - all games with online server that want to exist more than 5 years should consider subscription to play if they don't want microtransactions for ingame stuff... it does not have to be that much 10-20 $ a year with some initial period included with game purchase (alternative is free game but bigger price for first few months/years)... you can create all kind of sales and free time events for that....
Extra stash space is a bit like having a premium account in free to play games. It helps you make money quicker and speeds up your progression a bit. Not as much as premium accounts in most free to play games but the difference is still noticable.
Yeah i figured too that they decided to introduce MTX because arena flopped, i guess they miscalculated, thinking new players would come in and buy it, but it was mostly EoD owners who played it for free, didn't like it, gave it bad press and never touched it again
I bought eod and the book back in 2018 and am very happy to put some more money back in to keep this game going! If they run out of money the servers go offline they have to do something.
First question that comes to mind. If you buy for clothing or lines, would that reset with a wipe....
Honest just add buyable in-game cosmetics that aren’t pay-to-win. Clothes from Ragman, weapon sprays similar to DayZ, new voice-lines, character models, etc.
Things that won’t ruin the game but will allow for more cash flow that people will be willing to pay for. It’s the main way many devs keep cash flow. As long as it doesn’t give people a competitive edge I don’t see why people would be angry.
Imagine they had a Nikita character model that you could buy, or a pestily voice line? That shit would be awesome.