We need smart music people doing detailed track analysis to become way more normalized. I think it’s so good for music in general. Im sure beato is all about it
I love this song- but the overall breakdown of this song pulls at my disbelief that it was developed specifically for the contest. Doesn't change the fact that it is a banger, but the fact that I found out that the Nahu track was not made for the contest sort of soured me on the process.
@@user-yk4gd1fl4z Found the full version on Soundcloud. 4 minutes and 30-something seconds song. It was clipped to get it in under 4 minutes. He was DQ'd for it on an earlier video and resubmitted it as the slimmed-down version.
Great video excellent breakdown. Would be great to see a breakdown of 2 songs that use the same basic elements (chords tempo etc) and how you could get 2 completely different results. Maybe an analysis of a successful rock/pop song and one that isn’t as popular 🤷♂️
That was cool, Trey. You asked how this vid compares to Rick Beato's "What Makes This Song Great" series. I think your approach to explaining the theory side is similar, but a little more understandable, and not crazy deep. To me that is. Don't get me wrong, I really like Beato's series. And, If you gonna do something like a song breakdown series, I'd totally watch that too.
Not that I don't like Beato, but his "What makes this song great" always leaves me feeling like there's something missing. He talks about the theory of the song, shows how they played things, but I actually like more what Trey is doing, analysing song structure more.
I agree there should've been a "finishing" chord at the end, BUT that tasty solo on the end is sooo sweet! I actually got lost in that and didn't realize the end chord was missing until you mentioned it lol
The 200k-contest & the new videos really left a trace on me. Just wrote myself a song again for a contest, with the hints & tips from here in mind, and the writing-process went a lot easier & more systematic. Great analysis, and bigup Hellis for writing such a banger. Looking forward for more to come.
I thought this was going to be an interview with Hellis. I didn't realize it was just going over the song. It's Disappointing but still a well approached video and great analysis of the song itself.
I remember being in the stream where you first heard this and everyone in the chat pretty much knew that this song was gonna end up as the winner Edit: Timestamped here for anyone who wants to see Trey's initial reaction ua-cam.com/video/xuLJxuch4Aw/v-deo.html
See I thought the same thing but the bass goes back and forth between F# and the fifth C# so F# is the root and that D is an extension, rather than making it an inversion
Hot take: the "pop bad, metal good" dwellers are going butthurt because their songs were gonged or not even chosen. Hellis is great and deserved to win!
I’ve watched every minute of this contest, and though I enjoyed it, towards the end of the contest some songs that were pretty amazing were getting cut off and scrapped like they were dog shit. Bro, tha fuck??? Also, I’d rather listen to this entire contest stream again over Nickelback!
Different strokes for different folks. Wishing Well won’t make its way into my daily listening lineup, but I can respect the song. I enjoyed the snot outta this competition and found some killer artists to check out.
To some degree I agree that the track wishing well sounds mostly nickelback-core or Imagine Dragons-core (kind of ripping from punk rock mba here but I digress) only one gets chosen however.
So many sore losers in this comments section. Thanks again for the contest, Trey, it was very helpful and I've made changes to a lot of the songs, including I Need A Cycloptician, that are going on the Trilobite album, based on your feedback. I hope the negativity here doesn't get to you and I'm sure most of it is just badly managed jealousy. I'm a better songwriter, producer and singer than I was a couple of years ago because of people like you, Glenn Fricker and Chris Liepe.
Even though I enjoyed the contest and it is very cool it was even made in the first place thanks to Trey and Revv, I feel like it wasn't just a writting contest but a singing contest as well, very based on Trey's own taste. I think it was clearer at the end that instrumental songs had nearly zero chance to make it even though there were hooks in the song. So you ended up disadvantaged if you didnt know how to sing or didnt have access to a singer. Trey was looking for a very specific format and it wasnt very clear from the beginning. Let's say someone would have wrote Time from Hans Zimmer (Inception), it would have been gong after 20 sec. However, Hans Zimmer is selling out stadiums with songs that doesn't happen in the first 30 secondes. Same thing can be said about riff salads. Yes, it can be boring real fast and I dont even enjoy it that much myself, but may be it can be argued that many popular prog bands are doing riff salads without real top lines. So if it has become popular enough to form the basis of its own genre and then it is well executed, should it be really frown upon objectively or just a matter of personal taste? Anyway, just my 2 cents on this contest that I still enjoyed very much. I did an electronic song and it played in one the last stream where everything was going very fast, I got gonged but Trey just said nice and moved to the next one without ripping it apart, so I see this as an absolute win!
Instrumental tracks fully had a chance, but there were hardly any that were any good. It's a lot harder to write a good instrumental song, especially since guitarists seem to be completely averse to melody for some damn reason. Hans Zimmer is a film composer, he's not writing "songs", that's a completely different thing (which I love), it's apples and oranges. There's really no such thing as true objectivity in art at all so it's basically a dead end discussion there. I wasn't looking for a specific format, but there's ones that work and ones that don't. And something being popular enough to be its own genre doesn't have anything to do with it being good or not.
Idk how you could be much less subjective with this sort of thing. If I were holding a song contest, this track would have been gonged halfway through the first chorus, but thats because my tastes are entirely different. I'm not sure how you judge a song contest without using your personal tastes.
I kinda stopped following the contest fairly early on when I realized that Trey and I have totally different tastes and the stuff I'd move through were getting gonged. However, I think the song that won is a beautifully written 3 chord pop song (for the most part), it's just that I'm a jazz and metal guy, so my biases lean away from this sort of thing. Though, I will say the things that make this an interesting pop song is the occasional jazz chords like the bIImaj7 which isn't what you'd normally do in pop. It gives it character. Trey likes bops, I like jams and bangers. This is a well constructed bop with a hint of spice from the jammy side of things. Would it have won if I were doing the contest? Nope. Should it have won given the perimeters laid out by Trey? Yes.
I think what probably got Trey's atention is the production and because of that I think the vocals are in the forefront of it. The vocals are really sung well and are heavily produced with reverb and other effects (no harm on that by the way). But yeah in thoose types of contests good vocals, either sung or produced, in this case both, will caught more atention than instrumentals or riff salads. This song is good, well performed and produced, but either not go hard on pop or rock, so it is kinda forgettable.
This was a joke right? It has to be a joke. No way, Trey thinks this is somehow a genius composition. This is music for people who actually hate music. I'm having an anxiety attack! Please tell me this is a joke....
I never said it was. This is a pop song. It wasn’t a rock or metal songwriting contest, it was open to all genres. It doesn’t sound even remotely like Bryan Adams
Wtf how does that even make sense, this is the same repetitive music you hear every day. Why is it that lately people are putting down metal, saying it sounds the same yet this is the same repetitive pop music that even Rebecca black can put out. Sorry my guy but just a little criticism here, everyone knows you’re successful on your UA-cam channel and I agree due to some of the amazing stuff you put out but this one….this one is horrible. Only my opinion so if nobody agrees then oh well it’s just an opinion. This song sounds like a direct copy of bands that all jumped on the Issues bandwagon. Out of all people you would know that metal isn’t just repetitive music with the same time meter or same melody over and over. I understand it’s not always about technicality and that you are focusing on song structure and just general songwriting but it seems like you get excited more about vocals than everything else. Vocals are great and all but it doesn’t necessarily mean that every damn band should write a song around the stupid vocalist. In fact the best music written is usually technical instrumental stuff. For instance one of my fave artists is Tigran Himasyan, his music is at times can be over the place yet he still manages to pull off the most beautiful vocal harmonies over insane time meters or complex phrasing. Honestly my guy this new age of pop crap is just another…well phase….it will be forgotten. Necrophagist however will never be forgotten lol
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Bro it was just about the style of song , not the structure of it.
We need smart music people doing detailed track analysis to become way more normalized. I think it’s so good for music in general.
Im sure beato is all about it
I love this song- but the overall breakdown of this song pulls at my disbelief that it was developed specifically for the contest. Doesn't change the fact that it is a banger, but the fact that I found out that the Nahu track was not made for the contest sort of soured me on the process.
What was up with The track from Nahu?
@@user-yk4gd1fl4z Found the full version on Soundcloud. 4 minutes and 30-something seconds song. It was clipped to get it in under 4 minutes. He was DQ'd for it on an earlier video and resubmitted it as
the slimmed-down version.
Excellent song and really insightful breakdown. Going to be taking some tips from this to my current project. Thanks for another great one Trey 🤘
Damn what an entry. Came here to get some suggestions for the tune I'm gonna enter and the detail that's gone into this track is off the charts.
Pretty Solid Song,
But nothing beats "Le Bigfoot"
Stuck in my head for weeks 😀
Thanks :)
LE BIGFOOT!
Great video excellent breakdown. Would be great to see a breakdown of 2 songs that use the same basic elements (chords tempo etc) and how you could get 2 completely different results. Maybe an analysis of a successful rock/pop song and one that isn’t as popular 🤷♂️
This. This is a great idea
This reminds me of the band Issues in a good way. Pop rock-n-b. Love it! Hope there is more to follow!
That was cool, Trey. You asked how this vid compares to Rick Beato's "What Makes This Song Great" series. I think your approach to explaining the theory side is similar, but a little more understandable, and not crazy deep. To me that is. Don't get me wrong, I really like Beato's series. And, If you gonna do something like a song breakdown series, I'd totally watch that too.
Not that I don't like Beato, but his "What makes this song great" always leaves me feeling like there's something missing. He talks about the theory of the song, shows how they played things, but I actually like more what Trey is doing, analysing song structure more.
Great song and a very cool breakdown of it.
I agree there should've been a "finishing" chord at the end, BUT that tasty solo on the end is sooo sweet! I actually got lost in that and didn't realize the end chord was missing until you mentioned it lol
The 200k-contest & the new videos really left a trace on me.
Just wrote myself a song again for a contest, with the hints & tips from here in mind, and the writing-process went a lot easier & more systematic.
Great analysis, and bigup Hellis for writing such a banger. Looking forward for more to come.
You should clip the part of the contest where you first heard this song and upload it to see your initial impression.
It's right here, if you were wondering ua-cam.com/video/xuLJxuch4Aw/v-deo.html
THIS
That's a great song!
I thought this was going to be an interview with Hellis. I didn't realize it was just going over the song. It's Disappointing but still a well approached video and great analysis of the song itself.
Hellis interview is coming
@@treyxaviermusic Oh ok, that's fantastic!
Pretty much the only song I can remember all the way through besides Holdin' from the contest...very cool!
Oh man Holdin' was a great one, had to be the runner up for sure
I guess I have to put this songwriter course in my schedule at some point
dooooo iiiiiiiiit
@@treyxaviermusic it’s gonna have to wait, I’m doin a thing, but ya, I’m in the funnel
@@TheJammerman doing a thing is good
It may not be metal or a instrumental song but it’ll bring The guitar back into pop music that was missing was like 20 to 25 years
This is honestly so cool. Reminds me a lot of Keshi.. the one song I heard by keshi
my dude needs to make an album
This sounds like the stuff they play at Whole Foods while shopping for organic nutmeg
whole foods is where all the bitches are
Mooie!
Really awesome tune! Totally deserved to win.
Who is this guy? The production is otherwordly right here
Wonderful analysis. Thank you for the explanation.
That song's a clinic. Fucking fantastic.
EDIT: That guitar is under 200 bucks? Dayum...
I remember being in the stream where you first heard this and everyone in the chat pretty much knew that this song was gonna end up as the winner
Edit: Timestamped here for anyone who wants to see Trey's initial reaction ua-cam.com/video/xuLJxuch4Aw/v-deo.html
That 2nd chord would more likely be called a DMaj7/F#. Since the F# is in the bass, it does sort of function as a V chord.
Sorry... I'm a Theory nerd.
See I thought the same thing but the bass goes back and forth between F# and the fifth C# so F# is the root and that D is an extension, rather than making it an inversion
@@treyxaviermusic
Oooooh. I should have grabbed headphones. I couldn't hear that bass movement. That's a neat why to do that.
@@treyxaviermusic so you're implying the bassist new what he was doing? Impossible 🤣🤣🤣
Hot take: the "pop bad, metal good" dwellers are going butthurt because their songs were gonged or not even chosen. Hellis is great and deserved to win!
Killer ... Its like what if the Doobie Brothers were a modern rock band.
I’ve watched every minute of this contest, and though I enjoyed it, towards the end of the contest some songs that were pretty amazing were getting cut off and scrapped like they were dog shit. Bro, tha fuck??? Also, I’d rather listen to this entire contest stream again over Nickelback!
There can be only one
Different strokes for different folks. Wishing Well won’t make its way into my daily listening lineup, but I can respect the song. I enjoyed the snot outta this competition and found some killer artists to check out.
To some degree I agree that the track wishing well sounds mostly nickelback-core or Imagine Dragons-core (kind of ripping from punk rock mba here but I digress) only one gets chosen however.
Anyone know how/where to submit songs for Trey to review? I'm new here and would love to see how he dissects one of my songs. Thanks.
So many sore losers in this comments section. Thanks again for the contest, Trey, it was very helpful and I've made changes to a lot of the songs, including I Need A Cycloptician, that are going on the Trilobite album, based on your feedback. I hope the negativity here doesn't get to you and I'm sure most of it is just badly managed jealousy. I'm a better songwriter, producer and singer than I was a couple of years ago because of people like you, Glenn Fricker and Chris Liepe.
Dude, your song ruled for the contest. One of the few that stuck out and I still remember
Remember when Nevermind was accused of being over produced? Good times
Even though I enjoyed the contest and it is very cool it was even made in the first place thanks to Trey and Revv, I feel like it wasn't just a writting contest but a singing contest as well, very based on Trey's own taste. I think it was clearer at the end that instrumental songs had nearly zero chance to make it even though there were hooks in the song. So you ended up disadvantaged if you didnt know how to sing or didnt have access to a singer. Trey was looking for a very specific format and it wasnt very clear from the beginning. Let's say someone would have wrote Time from Hans Zimmer (Inception), it would have been gong after 20 sec. However, Hans Zimmer is selling out stadiums with songs that doesn't happen in the first 30 secondes. Same thing can be said about riff salads. Yes, it can be boring real fast and I dont even enjoy it that much myself, but may be it can be argued that many popular prog bands are doing riff salads without real top lines. So if it has become popular enough to form the basis of its own genre and then it is well executed, should it be really frown upon objectively or just a matter of personal taste? Anyway, just my 2 cents on this contest that I still enjoyed very much. I did an electronic song and it played in one the last stream where everything was going very fast, I got gonged but Trey just said nice and moved to the next one without ripping it apart, so I see this as an absolute win!
...and congrats to the winner! A well deserved win!
Instrumental tracks fully had a chance, but there were hardly any that were any good. It's a lot harder to write a good instrumental song, especially since guitarists seem to be completely averse to melody for some damn reason. Hans Zimmer is a film composer, he's not writing "songs", that's a completely different thing (which I love), it's apples and oranges. There's really no such thing as true objectivity in art at all so it's basically a dead end discussion there. I wasn't looking for a specific format, but there's ones that work and ones that don't. And something being popular enough to be its own genre doesn't have anything to do with it being good or not.
Idk how you could be much less subjective with this sort of thing. If I were holding a song contest, this track would have been gonged halfway through the first chorus, but thats because my tastes are entirely different. I'm not sure how you judge a song contest without using your personal tastes.
I kinda stopped following the contest fairly early on when I realized that Trey and I have totally different tastes and the stuff I'd move through were getting gonged. However, I think the song that won is a beautifully written 3 chord pop song (for the most part), it's just that I'm a jazz and metal guy, so my biases lean away from this sort of thing. Though, I will say the things that make this an interesting pop song is the occasional jazz chords like the bIImaj7 which isn't what you'd normally do in pop. It gives it character. Trey likes bops, I like jams and bangers. This is a well constructed bop with a hint of spice from the jammy side of things. Would it have won if I were doing the contest? Nope. Should it have won given the perimeters laid out by Trey? Yes.
I think what probably got Trey's atention is the production and because of that I think the vocals are in the forefront of it. The vocals are really sung well and are heavily produced with reverb and other effects (no harm on that by the way). But yeah in thoose types of contests good vocals, either sung or produced, in this case both, will caught more atention than instrumentals or riff salads. This song is good, well performed and produced, but either not go hard on pop or rock, so it is kinda forgettable.
Wait. B minor is D major. So… G is the four. Hey that’s Lydian. Maybe? 🤓
i am are have donger gitar
You're in way too in deep lol Even the singer didn't put this much thought into a catchy tune. Does make me wanna drive to the beach, though.
I like it very much :) But song writing top spot? It's a Seal era tune. It doesn't feel special... kind of a radio friendly "ehhh"
Fuck spotify. Link the real shit.
Hellis specifically asked me to put the Spotify link, but I’m sure you can search for others
Sounds very professional and well written but like a 90's pop song. Great work but just not my cup of tea.
Song is terrible. ⏭
If this is the winner...🤮
This was a joke right? It has to be a joke. No way, Trey thinks this is somehow a genius composition. This is music for people who actually hate music. I'm having an anxiety attack! Please tell me this is a joke....
Nah, I didn't like it, but ok. Vocal is good, thought.
Man haven’t been on this channel for months come back and we are breaking down Arianna grande dude version wtf 😂
Arianna Grande is better than Gojira
@@treyxaviermusic I'm dying bro xD
Ehhhh we are going to have to agree to disagree on that one
Say what you want ,I’m not buying it.This isn’t even rock or definitely not metal ,Some mediocre Brian Adams radio air play bs vomit 🤮
I never said it was. This is a pop song. It wasn’t a rock or metal songwriting contest, it was open to all genres. It doesn’t sound even remotely like Bryan Adams
WTF IS THAT ?
are you asking me what is the thing I just spent 23 minutes breaking down in great detail
Yes
NOT METAL, NOT REALLY EVEN ROCK WAS THE SELECTION THAT BAD , IS WHAT I WA GETTING AT
@@musicmore5169 ok well it's that
who cares if it was rock or metal? it wasn't a rock or metal songwriting contest
Still trying to milk the contest audience for one last view I see.
Milk it with all this valuable songwriting insight
Wtf how does that even make sense, this is the same repetitive music you hear every day. Why is it that lately people are putting down metal, saying it sounds the same yet this is the same repetitive pop music that even Rebecca black can put out. Sorry my guy but just a little criticism here, everyone knows you’re successful on your UA-cam channel and I agree due to some of the amazing stuff you put out but this one….this one is horrible. Only my opinion so if nobody agrees then oh well it’s just an opinion. This song sounds like a direct copy of bands that all jumped on the Issues bandwagon. Out of all people you would know that metal isn’t just repetitive music with the same time meter or same melody over and over. I understand it’s not always about technicality and that you are focusing on song structure and just general songwriting but it seems like you get excited more about vocals than everything else. Vocals are great and all but it doesn’t necessarily mean that every damn band should write a song around the stupid vocalist. In fact the best music written is usually technical instrumental stuff. For instance one of my fave artists is Tigran Himasyan, his music is at times can be over the place yet he still manages to pull off the most beautiful vocal harmonies over insane time meters or complex phrasing. Honestly my guy this new age of pop crap is just another…well phase….it will be forgotten. Necrophagist however will never be forgotten lol
You could sing a fart the academy win an award,no one really cares and the “musician”.