Training Diary 5 - how to shoot fast and accurately by using a neutral grip to return to zero
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- Had a small revelation at the range yesterday in getting my doubles to tighten up. It's all about the direction of force on the grip and getting it to balance - that's a fairly cliche term but I figured out how it made sense to me.
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I can’t imagine trying to figure out what to cover for the UA-cam audience with a topic as broad as pistolcraft. But I want to say that the content you’re pushing out now is really helping me to another level. Really haven’t seen much else to compare. Thank you.
Thanks man.
This I think answered my previous question regarding iron sights. It's all about the grip and I have to work on that
by it self first I think.... these videos are really helpful. Thanks. Ken
Cheers - let me know how it goes!
Nice information, good luck at your competition.
Thanks man - cheers!
Great explanation of the grip, I have been having the dot going low left, I will have to give this a try.
Thanks my friend. I am liking the Gen 5 G17 and I will be shooting it in a USPSA match next weekend
I can't wait to see how it goes. I really like the gen 5.
Outstanding pointer. Thank you.
Hope it helps man - let me know how it works out if you try it.
TheHumbleMarksman its a good simple adjustment. I will for sure. Already dry fired a bit.
Nice new technique as good self analysis....Good stuff....
Cheers Scott!
Grip is one of the wired things where everything works diffrent for diffrent people in a big way. Good luck at area 4.
yeah every hand with every gun is different - to be sure.
Good Point! Sometimes we miss the minor things that make a huge difference.......
Grip is hugely nuanced - and you can think you have a point figured out only to realize you don't really.
Thanks for the tip Sir
Do you like your support palm to be behind the backstrap as much as you can? I’m also assuming wrist locking/tension plays another important role in recoil control or muzzle flip. Love your videos by the way, thank you for all of these.
it's not behind it - but I'm definitely using traction from the skin of my support palm to pull the frame forward close to the rear of the grip. it's as close as it gets to behind the grip without quite getting back there.
I noticed you wearing a Gallant Bullets shirt in some of your videos. Do you shoot reloads in your matches? If so, did you ever have problems getting them to function in gen 5 Glocks?
Ive heard rumours that the gen 5's have shorter throats that can cause feeding issues with certain loads.
Yes - I am on the Gallant Bullets shooting team. I haven't had any issues - only times my gen 5 has choked on them have been when the mag springs were worn out. With good springs I've never had an issue. Gallants can be loaded really long regardless of the pistol in question - which is why I started shooting them a year+ ago when I was shooting CZs. On my CZ Shadow 2 I could load them to 1.13" on their 125 profile. I didn't change my seating die and the 135s are loading about 1.120 +/-- and are just fine.
Awesome video, thank you!
hope it helps - cheers.
those grandmasters in the one vid you made explained this but it's very hard to implement. I've actually been watching Lucas from Trex arms and kinda gripping more like he does, and I think I'm improving, it's hard to tell even though I shoot maybe twice a week.
What I've been doing is attempting to mimic your dominant hand, but with my support I'm getting as much skin contact as I can with the side of the gun, and now this can hurt your wrist if you try to bend it super forward, so be careful. But then when I wrap my fingers around I'm almost lightly clamping in my palm into the side of the gun. And what I do is go from low ready to aiming up multiple times, and naturally when I'm actually aiming my grip will change slightly, and I try to remember where that is.
Then I'll grip kinda firm, and if I notice even a slight wiggle in either the front or rear sight when dry firing, then I'll ease up a little on my grip. So if I'm doing everything right then I'm not actually gripping super hard, maybe at a 60 percent level of grip strength. But regardless of all this talk, I don't even know yet if the grip I'm trying to master is even super effective lol. Shooting pistol is very difficult, and when my buddies are timing me I kinda forget everything I just wrote above and grip real hard, and maybe don't have a perfect grip haha.
analyze it a couple different ways using slow motion video from your cell phone. That's about the only way to get useful data if it's working beyond what you're experiencing and where the holes are on the target.
TheHumbleMarksman thanks man! I'll have to do more of that for sure
Good grip info
hope it helps.
Thanks for the tip! Been learning from these videos! Have a question, perhaps someone reading will have a thought....first pistol red dot was a Trijicon RMR (slide milled and mounted in March, not CO legal built more as a tacticool toy, 1600 rounds so far) and made a tremendous improvement over my previous attempt at shooting Production. Decided to build a CO legal set up (and went with a DPP mostly because of the larger window), but after a couple matches and at least 1200 rounds I am convinced that I don't shoot it as well as the RMR no matter how hard I try. Both accuracy and speed are a down grade with the DPP, especually followup shots. My biggest frustration (other than spending money on a set-up that isn't running so well for me), is that I can't diagnose the problem. I am suspecting that either I am chasing the dot around more with the DPP, or that the RMR sits lower on the slide and puts my head in a lower and more forward position (either helping manage recoil better or just forcing me to keep the dot within the window). Any thoughts/ideas would be appreciated!
The Trij and the DPP have different presentations - if you cannot find the dot on the DPP then you haven't done enough practice presenting. The Trij presents more like irons do whereas the DPP has a thicker base and you have to elevate. If you can get used to it - the bigger window is absolutely an advantage - especially for compromised shooting positions (Strong Hand/ Weak Hand, very awkward hard leans, etc). If it were me - I'd take the RMR off the table as an option for a few weeks and do full immersion with the DPP and just accept the backslide as you get acclimated with it. You'll likely see when you pick up the RMR again you have no issue finding the dot but you will appreciate the limitation the itty bitty window presents.
@@TheHumbleMarksman Thanks so much for taking the time to reply! I will be a lot more patient with the process, and probably put in some extra time in dry fire too!
The cz-p10-f tracks with a lot less effort for me than my glock 34.
Pretty sweet.
They all track the same based on how you're applying force - the ergos of the P10 probably mesh with how you're putting force on the gun. My issue with the P10 grip and especially the P09 grip is it's easy to get it to turn in my hand due to the taper at the front strap. It's less of an issue on the P10 - but it's a real problem for me on the P09 now that I'm used to blocks.
Thanks for another cool video brotha🤙
Cheers man - let me know what you find
So Good! Thanks!
Hope it helps - Cheers!
Very helpful.
give it a shot - I'm curious if it helps you as well.
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Haven't had a chance to live fire yet but it feels like yet another small piece in the puzzle of a perfect grip.
I was under the impression you went with G34 GEN 5? that looks like a G17...or am miss I misidentifying it? If you did go with the G17 is it because you dont need the longer sight picture with the red dot?
It’s a 34g5MOSFS- I’m 6’-5” so that may contribute to the illusion
Grip: A forever changing fundamental practice; a constant fiddling frustration
yeah... with enough practice I'm sure I'll never run out of material on these lol.
Glock Gen 4. Should I use the largest back strap so my fingers don’t wrap beyond the front strap? Leaving the entire left side available for support hand.
I personally use the large backstrap to provide a good place for my support hand to land. If you can manage the trigger reach - I'd at least play with it and see if it's a fit.
Good stuff
This goes against how many instructors say to use your firing hand, not saying it doesn't work for you. But doesn't gripping that way enable recoil to make the barrel climb upward, as in the pistol is already ready going back towards you?..almost like you could be helping the recoil in a way?
It does go against the prevailing thought of a lot of lower tier instruction. If you watched my grip video it lines up with a lot of what Hwansik Kim and Eric Grauffel are talking about. There are plenty of ways to skin a cat - but for getting the dot to return to zero this works for me better. And no - it doesn't add much to muzzle flip because you're putting even pressure along the front strap - including at the base of the grip where you have the most mechanical advantage - coupled with your locked out wrists. There is a bit more climb doing this method but it tracks back to zero better - versus coming down below zero.
TheHumbleMarksman appreciate the response, always on the look out for new ways and methods....
Sounds like some Hwansik Kim mojo working. Is there pressure being applied on the side of the grip with the palm of your support hand?
My support hand rolls toward the target - almost feeling like it's using friction to push the frame forward.
@@TheHumbleMarksman I get it. That's something I've felt as I've been working on my grip. I wasn't sure it was the right thing, but it makes sense to me.
has HKim done another video? I keep meaning to buy his video on VIMEO but I was waiting until after area 4 before checking it out.
@@TheHumbleMarksman I'm not sure, but I listened to Arik Levy's interview of him for the shooter's summit.
That's a good one. The summit is awesome.
How do you practice dry fire.
I'm just happy if I hit the target.
an important first step to be sure.
Force gripping straight back... I can see how this would be useful already. I think I've been trying to grip in a rightward twist, as to drive my hand up. But gripping straight back feels good, doesn't feel like I'm compromising my grip. Thanks for the tip. Any similar breakthroughs / anything new to share with your support hand grip?
I'm working that out in light of this new development - still trying to "pliable grip" it for now and keep the wrist locked.
Sounds good, thanks for sharing these breakthroughs and discoveries.
You’re use to your Glock 34.. yes pay in’ attention
Articulate explanation! Nice job
if you try it - let me know how it works for you.
Stop using your shoulders, you don´t need shoulders to hold that light pistol...no shoulder muscles, grip is only in the wrist, no locked biceps and triceps, completely relax. You are too much stiff. You will be much faster and better if you loose things up...