Thanks for this! I think the 11400(F) is still a brilliant budget chip if your primary focus is gaming. In Australia you can get one for $229, while the cheapest 5600X's are just over $400. The 12600K is closer to $500, and if I remember right the 11400 and 5600X had a pretty good fight.
Basically you spend 300 plus a mothernored 200+300 ddr4 just to swap it out for ddr5 when you can just buy a 5800 for 325 slap it on your b450 and be 1 percent slower and call it a day. Ummm ....
I just built my first Mini-ITX setup. Love it so far. For me half of the enjoyment with a new PC is the build it self. I didn't have any issues although it is quite tight with the cables and everything in the Lian Li Q58 Gen4. I run a 12600k with 32gb DDR5 and a 3060Ti GPU on a Asus ROG/Strix-Z690-I. I have like 69celcius on the performance cores during gaming and about 75celcius on the GPU. I guess that is quite acceptable temps?
Appreciate your channel and the SFF content! Have you tried connecting the GPU to the Aorus Z690I board with a PCIE 4.0 riser cable? My concern is a PCIE 5.0 slot + PCIE 4.0 riser may potentially present compatibility issues.
Great review. I have a 9900K & 3080 so in no rush to upgrade. When the 12700K and Asrock Z690 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB4 hit the used or amazon like-new market for a steep discount, I'll upgrade to Alder Lake. But I'm in no rush.
Awesome review thanks. Looking to put together my first ever PC and starting with the new NR200 max, otherwise everything else the same. Can I use this setup without a GPU until they become more available? Will it ‘just work’, defaulting to the integrated graphics? Then what happens when I do find a GPU, do you need to tell it to run the GPU and ignore the integrated or does it just take what it needs? Any downside to the integrated graphics version of the 11600 cpu chips? Seems the equivalent AMD versions took a performance hit with the integrated graphics which made me pause going down that route. I can just see it being another year before a 3070 or 3080 is available which I’m ok with as long as I’m not compromising myself from the start. Laptop gone bang so can’t really wait to get something just for office and internet tasks until a GPU can be found! Sorry, lots of Qs from a newbie!
Amazing top quality review as always machines & more. It looks like he got everything to fit at 03:11 does this mean the Gigabyte Z690i mini itx will not have higher CPU socket position when paired with Noctua U12A and we can fit two noctua 12x25 top case fans? It looks like those are the thicker noctua 12x25 too.
I fell in love with your Meshlicious build and I'm planning on building one with a 12600K and the z690 motherboard you showed here. Is the clearance with that gigantic M.2 heatsink enough to fit the pump of the CM ML Illusion AIO?
Same. Just as I figured, there are going to be compatibility issues with that stupid heatsink for the M.2. Fortunately, I will be buying an EKWB aftermarket heatsink so it does not limit my CPU cooler options. I plan to proceed with the Noctua C14S in a FormD T1
@@oscartirado8146 im using my trusty heatkiller iv... just some washers for more mounting pressure... should be fine.... going in my o11 mini with the triple rads... total overkill.
Excellent review, what after market M.2 heatsinks do you recommend for the build? (intel core i7 12th gen, Gigabyte Aorus Z690i mini itx, Noctua U12A in Cooler Master NR200P) and is it difficult to replace the m.2 heatsinks? you also mentioned in one of your NR200 case videos that a Gigabyte mini itx mobo has a higher cpu socket which causes the noctua U12A to remove one of the top case fans. is this applicable for the aorus z690i itx?
Do you have any issues with this mobo that are people complaining on newegg reviews? over 10 bad reviews about the issues with pcie4.0, pcie m.2, xmp not working, whea errors, mobo not working without the latest bios update and many more issues reported by users?
Is Machines & More telling us that he was able to loosely fasten the mesh and glass panels on the NR200p on the Gigabyte Z690i itx in the same way he did on the other motherboards he used in his NR200 Airflow optimization videos? (assuming use of Noctua's new LGA1700 mounting bracket)
I'm building my first SFF rig in the Meshlicious with the 12700k and the Aorus Z690i later this month with my current rig's 3060. This review gave me some confidence in my choices thanks!
Any recommendations for a cooler with this motherboard and a 12700k? Doing a build in the NR200P and got the Scythe Fuma 2, but the Fuma doesn't seem to fit the motherboard - the heat pipes hit the VRM heatsink, at least from a test fit with the plastic cover on the socket still. Not sure whether to mount it backwards, or return it and get something from Noctua or an AIO. I'd prefer air-cooled and being able to use the TG panel. Also considering just selling the motherboard and CPU (can't return the motherboard after opening, thanks Canada Computers) and getting a 5900x + B550i Aorus board.
Hi, I have the same plan. I have the 12700k but can't find this board in UK yet. My nr200p CPU cooler is a Vetroo U6 Dual Tower that I think it will fit from my measurements with the m.2 heatsink removed.
just asking for a I7 alder lake 65w mini-itx in something of a velka 7 utilizing the igpu vice card, any idea as to what the thermals would look like Z690 mb for future DME
@@MachinesMore I got my replacement Aorus Z690I ultra plus, and I’d really like to know what to expect with that over the “lite”. I’d love to see a review of that motherboard if you get it too. I’m just waiting for a couple of things before I can fully set it up in my build
Hey! I need to ask, with the nh-u12a cooler in the NR200. It looks like it possible to add the side bracket? is this something you can confirm or deny? Thanks for a nice video :D At 2:35 it really looks like it would fit.
It isn’t, and the higher rear fan position with tall IO shrouds does make it difficult even if you are willing to mod the panel to clear the tips of the heatpipes.
Current setup is nr200p, 10700k, auros z590i, noctua u9s. Will I have an issue with the the auros z690i, 13600k and keeping the u9s? Or would I need more cooling power. Current setup keeps the cpu at around 73 degrees while gaming. Thanks!
Good comparison! So in terms of best value (RIGHT NOW in this market), should we get 5600x or 12600k? One can run just fine in windows 10 and one needs windows 11...
For most of us that are GPU limited, and strictly gaming, the 5600X is still by far the best choice for value. I'll address in the next 12600K vid! Thanks for the comment and great question!
@@MachinesMore yeah, furthermore the motherboard for 12th gen is quite pricey at the moment and there is no cooler that comes with lga 1700 mounts yet :(
very nice video, just my next upgrades for my nr200p, 12600k with gigabyte z690i. is the u12a clear from vrm heatsink and can you close case panel? looks like the clearence for panel is less than previous cpu socket? yhank you!
Cheers. Yes and yes. VRM heatsink is not an issue but the M.2 is. It’s a silly double stacked design that I hate but I will cover more on that in an upcoming board overview. The mesh panel closes fine although, we are already a place where small variances on the heatsink could throw compatibility off entirely. I have two U12As and both are OK though.
@@MachinesMore thank you so much for the reply, I am not bothered about the m.2 heatsink as I have an aftermarket. This will be a great upgrade from my 10600k. My 3080ti FE will be happy 😀, only issue atm gigabyte z690i ddr4 not available in UK.
I hope its a great board. I had the common issues with the Gigabyte B550i including bluetooth that took a long time to improve but the Asus Z690i is three times what I paid for the B550i and needs DDR5 and has Noctua cooler compatibility issues Even the Gigabyte Z690i is twice the price of the B550i so although the 5800x was maybe overpriced (and more so now) the Z690 motherboard prices are too high. Luckily for gaming Zen 3 still does OK.
Yeah, if the the argument is $380 5800X plus $170 Aorus B550i, vs the $290 + $320 12600K combo, then it can go either way. The Z690i board has more features than the B550i, of course… maybe a little too many with the huge M.2 heatsink🤦♂️
This motherboard has gotten really really bad reviews - did you have any serious issues or concerns that would deter someone from getting this board? Great vid - thanks
I want to build an ITX this year ...should I wait? or just go for this one? i need a powerful one but that doesn't use more than 300w total because electricity is getting expensive any build that is powerful and low wattage? thank you!
Look into the 12400/12400F. Review is still in the works. Depending on which GPU you pair with you might see more or less the same performance as the 12600K for gaming.
The cheapest z690 itx board i saw was $190 but they got sold out on the first day of release. I bought a noctua u9s…. Do you think thats enough for the 12600k on the nr200?
Feel like waiting for AM5 for the longest longevity when I want to upgrade the cpu 4/5 years down the road it's a shame intel won't do this, AM4 is at the end of its life cycle big respect to it for 5 years support.
I'm lost on what to do for my CPU upgrade. I'm on a mini itx platform with a ryzen 1600AF & msi b450i gaming pro max. Almost everyday I have to restart my PC after booting & I believe it's due to ram. Stable at 3200Mhz after the restart but the start button sometimes is unresponsive so the restart is necessary to get it working properly. It does the same thing all the way down to 2666Mhz I believe. XMP is a disaster for it idk why but just manually setting to 3200Mhz is more stable. Would this issue go away if I swapped a 5600x into it? It almost makes me want to go for at least a 11th Gen i5 to get rid of weird issues like that
Hey Tyler, it sounds like the board is a little iffy with the RAM OC. Have you tried the latest stable BIOS? That is at least worth a shot. Zen 2 and up is significantly better for faster RAM (3200mhz dual channel is not an overclock anymore) so it’s absolutely worth a shot- and if your board is otherwise not faulty it’s more than capable of handling the 5600X (I’m assuming you have the Gaming Plus Max, which does have a 5000 series compatible BIOS version). Definitely would try an in-socket upgrade before switching… and personally I would not bother with 11th gen Intel at this point.
I'm hoping the 5950x gets a price cut in the near future. Then it's an upgrade from the 3900xt from me. Primarily a professional video editor, who games a lot on the side.
I got my board, same as yours, 12700k… testing with 120mm aio managed a allcore oc 5.1ghz at 1.42 and Ecores at 4ghz… the heatsinks do a good job, they got hot while vrm stayed in 40s…. I have no doubts in power delivery on this board but I am not a fan of the gigabyte bios. What do your temps look like on 12600k?
Hehe Intel got a great one here. I'll keep my 5800x for now though, more than enough especially when gaming at 4k where it's the GPU doing most of the work.
Absolutely, there’s zero reason for most folks to switch sockets from AM4 unless the board is a weak link. Plenty of great in socket upgrades possible plus upcoming 3D cache refresh should even things out.
Thanks for your video. I guess Intel drivers are not really mature. I don't understand how 12600K is using more power than R7 5800X at idle. E-cores should lead to better power usage at low load, isn't it?
You include Apple M1 Pro 10 numbers in the graphs, but Apple M1 has several huge disadvantages: -Cannot run x86 Windows software natively -Terrible for gaming -Photoshop on M1 is inferior to Photoshop on Intel cpu -Final Cut on M1 is inferior to Final Cut on Intel cpu -Hardware peripheral compatibility worse on M1, vs Intel -Apple hardware is locked-down, not upgradeable, and expensive
Of course, not an M1 review, just an interesting data point. Real world usability will range from not very useful (gaming) to incredible (video editing). Also my experience with FCP suggests that the M1 pro is far more optimized for it, there are specific operations where Intel CPU is better but that is only because it can be paired with a discrete graphics card.
@@MachinesMore There are many plugins for FCP that are not compatible with the M1 version. Photoshop has many plug-ins that are not compatible with M1. And the Intel version is much more stable and extensive, compared to M1 version. And that's not surprising: Intel version of Photoshop has been refined over the last 15 years. And you know that most professional editors working with feature films, TV show, or commercials are NOT using Final Cut. I find it very surprising that Apple is able to convince its userbase how great M1 is, even though it is terrible for gaming, and cannot run Windows software via Boot Camp.
Yup, I’ve heard about the plug-in compatibility issues. The Apple marketing machine is hard at work. I hope nobody gets one thinking they can game on it, certainly the hardware is by no means terrible but no developer cares enough about MacOS and rightfully so. FCP works well because it is their own software, but also because of the specific hardware that they’ve built into the SoC. I have noticed in the latest version of FCP is pretty buggy both on M1 and Intel. You might be interested in an upcoming Hackintosh vs M1 Pro comparison I’m doing. Thanks for taking the time to comment and share!
disney gonna come sue you for those star wars references, cause if there is one thing disney loves more than consumerism, it's finding ways to sue its fans.
True- the KF SKU pricing (~270) is more comparable. Integrated graphics are nice to have for a lot of ITX builds though, especially ones with riser cables, in the event of troubleshooting. You can’t get a 5800X with iGPU, for example.
No such things as e core. It's just basically bad silicone core that are cap at because they couldn't reach 4.7 like the performance core. That way Intel don't have to throw them away or sell it cheaper or downgrade it to 12400k. Smart on Intel side.. let's call it e core. It's efficient because you don't run high mhz.
A great review of a formidable cpu! And also nice to get a look at the Gigabyte motherboard too. Looks like one of the better value boards, at least until the new B series comes around. Something I've been thinking about with the arrival of these new chips is how viable are existing low profile coolers on this new socket? Both in terms of how they handle the bigger cpu size and the thermals associated with that, and if there are any compatibility issues with the heatsinks conflicting with the increasingly standard taller VRM hardware on these new motherboards. I know in the video you mentioned the U12A conflicting with the huge SSD heat spreader, so I'm especially curious if low clearance coolers with fan underneath like the Noctua L12S/Ghost Edition, Alpenfohn Black Ridge, etc. will even fit now or if the smaller, fan on top, type like the L9A or Big Shuriken 3 are better options. Love the channel and really looking forward to seeing you put the 12600K through its paces in future videos.
Good idea! I’ll throw something together. At this point the big name Z690 ITX boards are all going to have similar issues, so I’ll take a look at some coolers.
This motherboard has gotten really really bad reviews - did you have any serious issues or concerns that would deter someone from getting this board? Great vid - thanks
This motherboard has gotten really really bad reviews - did you have any serious issues or concerns that would deter someone from getting this board? Great vid - thanks
Alder-Lake activates alliteration among awsestruck auteurs. :-D
Touché! 🤣
Thanks for this! I think the 11400(F) is still a brilliant budget chip if your primary focus is gaming. In Australia you can get one for $229, while the cheapest 5600X's are just over $400. The 12600K is closer to $500, and if I remember right the 11400 and 5600X had a pretty good fight.
The 12600k is less than 300 in California
@@histatimaniples California is not where I live
@@greb. lol
@@greb. you live in a prison unfortunately
@@Commsfarage lmao at least prisons have free health care
Thanks for the review! This has answered lots of my questions that a lot of videos haven't had like alder lake with ddr4 performance, so thank you!
Building my first itx thanks to your vid-great job!
Great video as always. Very excited for the upcoming 12400F + B660 release in January.
I hope… by then a $200 5600 finally comes.
Thanks man ... please do 12900k review
loved this video from beginning to end!
Basically you spend 300 plus a mothernored 200+300 ddr4 just to swap it out for ddr5 when you can just buy a 5800 for 325 slap it on your b450 and be 1 percent slower and call it a day. Ummm ....
I just built my first Mini-ITX setup. Love it so far. For me half of the enjoyment with a new PC is the build it self. I didn't have any issues although it is quite tight with the cables and everything in the Lian Li Q58 Gen4. I run a 12600k with 32gb DDR5 and a 3060Ti GPU on a Asus ROG/Strix-Z690-I. I have like 69celcius on the performance cores during gaming and about 75celcius on the GPU. I guess that is quite acceptable temps?
Your videos are top notch! I always wonder how your channel is not bigger than it is
thanks for the info. I'm moving my 1080TI to this same board and cpu so looking forward to your video with a lower end card.
Appreciate your channel and the SFF content! Have you tried connecting the GPU to the Aorus Z690I board with a PCIE 4.0 riser cable? My concern is a PCIE 5.0 slot + PCIE 4.0 riser may potentially present compatibility issues.
Interested how they perform undervolted with small overclock
Great review. I have a 9900K & 3080 so in no rush to upgrade. When the 12700K and Asrock Z690 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB4 hit the used or amazon like-new market for a steep discount, I'll upgrade to Alder Lake. But I'm in no rush.
id suggest wait for the Ryzen 7000 series!
or wait for intel 13th gen by the time 12th gen gets discounted its prob those are out
Please make a cooler compatibility video. With the tall ass heatsink, it don't seem like any cooler fit this board.
Just got 12700k and a NR200P, Gigabyte Z690I… just waiting on my cooler (Be Quiet Pure Loop) to build. Can’t wait. Up from a 6th Gen. :)
Awesome review thanks. Looking to put together my first ever PC and starting with the new NR200 max, otherwise everything else the same. Can I use this setup without a GPU until they become more available? Will it ‘just work’, defaulting to the integrated graphics? Then what happens when I do find a GPU, do you need to tell it to run the GPU and ignore the integrated or does it just take what it needs? Any downside to the integrated graphics version of the 11600 cpu chips? Seems the equivalent AMD versions took a performance hit with the integrated graphics which made me pause going down that route. I can just see it being another year before a 3070 or 3080 is available which I’m ok with as long as I’m not compromising myself from the start. Laptop gone bang so can’t really wait to get something just for office and internet tasks until a GPU can be found! Sorry, lots of Qs from a newbie!
From one gaming channel to another...great content, you have similar content as me, keep it up!
waiting for your NR200p MAX with the custom looooooooooooooop
Samesy
Amazing top quality review as always machines & more. It looks like he got everything to fit at 03:11 does this mean the Gigabyte Z690i mini itx will not have higher CPU socket position when paired with Noctua U12A and we can fit two noctua 12x25 top case fans? It looks like those are the thicker noctua 12x25 too.
the interesting thing about this board would be the Ram OC potential due to 2 dimm, sadly no reviewer has talked about that yet
The kind of guy we give the like before watch. Thanks for another high quality content.
I fell in love with your Meshlicious build and I'm planning on building one with a 12600K and the z690 motherboard you showed here. Is the clearance with that gigantic M.2 heatsink enough to fit the pump of the CM ML Illusion AIO?
Appreciate the hard work! Would love if you could review the se 226 xt cooler in the nr200!
been waiting for a review on this board. mine comes tomorrow with 12700k
Same. Just as I figured, there are going to be compatibility issues with that stupid heatsink for the M.2. Fortunately, I will be buying an EKWB aftermarket heatsink so it does not limit my CPU cooler options. I plan to proceed with the Noctua C14S in a FormD T1
@@oscartirado8146 im using my trusty heatkiller iv... just some washers for more mounting pressure... should be fine.... going in my o11 mini with the triple rads... total overkill.
Excellent review, what after market M.2 heatsinks do you recommend for the build? (intel core i7 12th gen, Gigabyte Aorus Z690i mini itx, Noctua U12A in Cooler Master NR200P) and is it difficult to replace the m.2 heatsinks? you also mentioned in one of your NR200 case videos that a Gigabyte mini itx mobo has a higher cpu socket which causes the noctua U12A to remove one of the top case fans. is this applicable for the aorus z690i itx?
The EK ones are good, Be quiet released one not too long ago but that one has been hard to find. As long as it can get airflow, it’ll be fine.
Do you have any issues with this mobo that are people complaining on newegg reviews? over 10 bad reviews about the issues with pcie4.0, pcie m.2, xmp not working, whea errors, mobo not working without the latest bios update and many more issues reported by users?
Is Machines & More telling us that he was able to loosely fasten the mesh and glass panels on the NR200p on the Gigabyte Z690i itx in the same way he did on the other motherboards he used in his NR200 Airflow optimization videos? (assuming use of Noctua's new LGA1700 mounting bracket)
No fasteners needed for the Mesh panel. Glass panel will need one for sure.
I'm building my first SFF rig in the Meshlicious with the 12700k and the Aorus Z690i later this month with my current rig's 3060. This review gave me some confidence in my choices thanks!
Sure! Just be aware of the potential clearance issues when planning for cooling. That bottom M.2 heatsink is obnoxious!
Sorry if I missed it but have you done a video on overclocking using this board. I’m not having much success but I think there might be a firmware fix
I didn’t do a stand-alone video on the OC- it was just a data point I brought up in the GPU limited benchmarks video.
Any recommendations for a cooler with this motherboard and a 12700k? Doing a build in the NR200P and got the Scythe Fuma 2, but the Fuma doesn't seem to fit the motherboard - the heat pipes hit the VRM heatsink, at least from a test fit with the plastic cover on the socket still.
Not sure whether to mount it backwards, or return it and get something from Noctua or an AIO. I'd prefer air-cooled and being able to use the TG panel. Also considering just selling the motherboard and CPU (can't return the motherboard after opening, thanks Canada Computers) and getting a 5900x + B550i Aorus board.
Hi, I have the same plan. I have the 12700k but can't find this board in UK yet. My nr200p CPU cooler is a Vetroo U6 Dual Tower that I think it will fit from my measurements with the m.2 heatsink removed.
How's the board run? I've seen horrible reviews on Newegg so far as the bios is concerned as well as pcie issues
just asking for a I7 alder lake 65w mini-itx in something of a velka 7 utilizing the igpu vice card, any idea as to what the thermals would look like Z690 mb for future
DME
This motherboard was plagued with issues and it kept crashing my build. I hope the replacement doesn't have any issues
Yeah… I’m not quite ready to revisit this just yet.
@@MachinesMore I got my replacement Aorus Z690I ultra plus, and I’d really like to know what to expect with that over the “lite”. I’d love to see a review of that motherboard if you get it too. I’m just waiting for a couple of things before I can fully set it up in my build
Hey! I need to ask, with the nh-u12a cooler in the NR200. It looks like it possible to add the side bracket? is this something you can confirm or deny? Thanks for a nice video :D At 2:35 it really looks like it would fit.
It isn’t, and the higher rear fan position with tall IO shrouds does make it difficult even if you are willing to mod the panel to clear the tips of the heatpipes.
@@MachinesMore So if the rear IO panel is low it would fit?
Current setup is nr200p, 10700k, auros z590i, noctua u9s. Will I have an issue with the the auros z690i, 13600k and keeping the u9s? Or would I need more cooling power. Current setup keeps the cpu at around 73 degrees while gaming. Thanks!
Microcenter dropped their prices on the 5800x to $330. Which makes sense when comparing it against the 12600k, makes the decision a bit harder.
At that price and if you are OK with B550, I’d go 5800X. Spend the difference on an inflated GPU (if you have an option).
now the 12600k is 249 at microcenter lol the 12700k is 299.99
Good comparison! So in terms of best value (RIGHT NOW in this market), should we get 5600x or 12600k? One can run just fine in windows 10 and one needs windows 11...
If you already have a ryzen 3000 then the 5600x. if a brand new system then the 12600K. Windows 11 is a free upgrade with windows 10.
For most of us that are GPU limited, and strictly gaming, the 5600X is still by far the best choice for value. I'll address in the next 12600K vid! Thanks for the comment and great question!
@@MachinesMore yeah, furthermore the motherboard for 12th gen is quite pricey at the moment and there is no cooler that comes with lga 1700 mounts yet :(
very nice video, just my next upgrades for my nr200p, 12600k with gigabyte z690i. is the u12a clear from vrm heatsink and can you close case panel? looks like the clearence for panel is less than previous cpu socket? yhank you!
Cheers. Yes and yes. VRM heatsink is not an issue but the M.2 is. It’s a silly double stacked design that I hate but I will cover more on that in an upcoming board overview. The mesh panel closes fine although, we are already a place where small variances on the heatsink could throw compatibility off entirely. I have two U12As and both are OK though.
@@MachinesMore thank you so much for the reply, I am not bothered about the m.2 heatsink as I have an aftermarket. This will be a great upgrade from my 10600k. My 3080ti FE will be happy 😀, only issue atm gigabyte z690i ddr4 not available in UK.
Would anyone happen to know if Gigabyte Z690i ddr4 itx has PCie riser cable problem with GPU?
I hope its a great board. I had the common issues with the Gigabyte B550i including bluetooth that took a long time to improve but the Asus Z690i is three times what I paid for the B550i and needs DDR5 and has Noctua cooler compatibility issues
Even the Gigabyte Z690i is twice the price of the B550i so although the 5800x was maybe overpriced (and more so now) the Z690 motherboard prices are too high. Luckily for gaming Zen 3 still does OK.
Yeah, if the the argument is $380 5800X plus $170 Aorus B550i, vs the $290 + $320 12600K combo, then it can go either way. The Z690i board has more features than the B550i, of course… maybe a little too many with the huge M.2 heatsink🤦♂️
AMD shill
This motherboard has gotten really really bad reviews - did you have any serious issues or concerns that would deter someone from getting this board? Great vid - thanks
I want to build an ITX this year ...should I wait? or just go for this one? i need a powerful one but that doesn't use more than 300w total because electricity is getting expensive any build that is powerful and low wattage?
thank you!
Look into the 12400/12400F. Review is still in the works. Depending on which GPU you pair with you might see more or less the same performance as the 12600K for gaming.
The cheapest z690 itx board i saw was $190 but they got sold out on the first day of release. I bought a noctua u9s…. Do you think thats enough for the 12600k on the nr200?
The Asrock? Yup I think U9S will be fine, especially push/pull, for the chip at stock settings.
I was thinking to get that asrock cheap but they always have so bad vrm can't even boost cpu clock sometimes. this gigabyte should be top quality vrm.
Feel like waiting for AM5 for the longest longevity when I want to upgrade the cpu 4/5 years down the road it's a shame intel won't do this, AM4 is at the end of its life cycle big respect to it for 5 years support.
I'm lost on what to do for my CPU upgrade. I'm on a mini itx platform with a ryzen 1600AF & msi b450i gaming pro max. Almost everyday I have to restart my PC after booting & I believe it's due to ram. Stable at 3200Mhz after the restart but the start button sometimes is unresponsive so the restart is necessary to get it working properly. It does the same thing all the way down to 2666Mhz I believe. XMP is a disaster for it idk why but just manually setting to 3200Mhz is more stable. Would this issue go away if I swapped a 5600x into it? It almost makes me want to go for at least a 11th Gen i5 to get rid of weird issues like that
Hey Tyler, it sounds like the board is a little iffy with the RAM OC. Have you tried the latest stable BIOS? That is at least worth a shot. Zen 2 and up is significantly better for faster RAM (3200mhz dual channel is not an overclock anymore) so it’s absolutely worth a shot- and if your board is otherwise not faulty it’s more than capable of handling the 5600X (I’m assuming you have the Gaming Plus Max, which does have a 5000 series compatible BIOS version). Definitely would try an in-socket upgrade before switching… and personally I would not bother with 11th gen Intel at this point.
I'm going with a b660 board, 12600k and some b die ddr4.
I’m so keen for Alderlake, come on Ryzen discounts! 😁
Noctua fans are fire.
I'm hoping the 5950x gets a price cut in the near future. Then it's an upgrade from the 3900xt from me. Primarily a professional video editor, who games a lot on the side.
Can the motherboard support ddr5
I got my board, same as yours, 12700k… testing with 120mm aio managed a allcore oc 5.1ghz at 1.42 and Ecores at 4ghz… the heatsinks do a good job, they got hot while vrm stayed in 40s…. I have no doubts in power delivery on this board but I am not a fan of the gigabyte bios. What do your temps look like on 12600k?
Ain't competition great 👍
Sure is!
Hehe Intel got a great one here. I'll keep my 5800x for now though, more than enough especially when gaming at 4k where it's the GPU doing most of the work.
Absolutely, there’s zero reason for most folks to switch sockets from AM4 unless the board is a weak link. Plenty of great in socket upgrades possible plus upcoming 3D cache refresh should even things out.
I really hope they stick with Gen 4 and add overclocking to B660 or else Intel is not even an option for me
Thanks for your video. I guess Intel drivers are not really mature. I don't understand how 12600K is using more power than R7 5800X at idle. E-cores should lead to better power usage at low load, isn't it?
It absolutely shouldn’t be, in theory it should be much less. Win 11 is still very raw so I wouldn’t be surprised if that gets much better.
The 12th gen CPUs are really good. But the mobos are just too damn expensive.
Yeah the DDR5 ones are wayyyy out there. But the Aorus is actually quite reasonable compared to the Z590 I board pricing.
Here's hoping the locked i5 will still be the best value as usual, coupled with cheaper "B" boards and cheap DDR4.
Very nice review, im waiting for the 12600+b660,12600k with z690 is too expensive.And the 5600x is still a budget choice for gaming.
got both for around 500 12600 and the z690 itx
You include Apple M1 Pro 10 numbers in the graphs, but Apple M1 has several huge disadvantages:
-Cannot run x86 Windows software natively
-Terrible for gaming
-Photoshop on M1 is inferior to Photoshop on Intel cpu
-Final Cut on M1 is inferior to Final Cut on Intel cpu
-Hardware peripheral compatibility worse on M1, vs Intel
-Apple hardware is locked-down, not upgradeable, and expensive
Of course, not an M1 review, just an interesting data point. Real world usability will range from not very useful (gaming) to incredible (video editing). Also my experience with FCP suggests that the M1 pro is far more optimized for it, there are specific operations where Intel CPU is better but that is only because it can be paired with a discrete graphics card.
@@MachinesMore There are many plugins for FCP that are not compatible with the M1 version.
Photoshop has many plug-ins that are not compatible with M1. And the Intel version is much more stable and extensive, compared to M1 version. And that's not surprising: Intel version of Photoshop has been refined over the last 15 years.
And you know that most professional editors working with feature films, TV show, or commercials are NOT using Final Cut.
I find it very surprising that Apple is able to convince its userbase how great M1 is, even though it is terrible for gaming, and cannot run Windows software via Boot Camp.
Yup, I’ve heard about the plug-in compatibility issues. The Apple marketing machine is hard at work. I hope nobody gets one thinking they can game on it, certainly the hardware is by no means terrible but no developer cares enough about MacOS and rightfully so. FCP works well because it is their own software, but also because of the specific hardware that they’ve built into the SoC. I have noticed in the latest version of FCP is pretty buggy both on M1 and Intel. You might be interested in an upcoming Hackintosh vs M1 Pro comparison I’m doing. Thanks for taking the time to comment and share!
@@MachinesMore Looking forward to the Hackintosh video!
disney gonna come sue you for those star wars references, cause if there is one thing disney loves more than consumerism, it's finding ways to sue its fans.
They’re dark side? 🤫
AMD would not lowering prices of zen cpus because miners buy them on tons
What people forget when comparing prices is that intel has embedded graphics...not extra expense. So $intel = $amd + $graphics.
True- the KF SKU pricing (~270) is more comparable. Integrated graphics are nice to have for a lot of ITX builds though, especially ones with riser cables, in the event of troubleshooting. You can’t get a 5800X with iGPU, for example.
No such things as e core. It's just basically bad silicone core that are cap at because they couldn't reach 4.7 like the performance core. That way Intel don't have to throw them away or sell it cheaper or downgrade it to 12400k. Smart on Intel side.. let's call it e core. It's efficient because you don't run high mhz.
A great review of a formidable cpu!
And also nice to get a look at the Gigabyte motherboard too. Looks like one of the better value boards, at least until the new B series comes around.
Something I've been thinking about with the arrival of these new chips is how viable are existing low profile coolers on this new socket? Both in terms of how they handle the bigger cpu size and the thermals associated with that, and if there are any compatibility issues with the heatsinks conflicting with the increasingly standard taller VRM hardware on these new motherboards.
I know in the video you mentioned the U12A conflicting with the huge SSD heat spreader, so I'm especially curious if low clearance coolers with fan underneath like the Noctua L12S/Ghost Edition, Alpenfohn Black Ridge, etc. will even fit now or if the smaller, fan on top, type like the L9A or Big Shuriken 3 are better options.
Love the channel and really looking forward to seeing you put the 12600K through its paces in future videos.
Good idea! I’ll throw something together. At this point the big name Z690 ITX boards are all going to have similar issues, so I’ll take a look at some coolers.
@@MachinesMore That would be amazing! Thank you.
I'm interested in this topic too. Can i ask what ssd cooler you installed instead of the original one in the mobo?
This motherboard has gotten really really bad reviews - did you have any serious issues or concerns that would deter someone from getting this board? Great vid - thanks
This motherboard has gotten really really bad reviews - did you have any serious issues or concerns that would deter someone from getting this board? Great vid - thanks
I do have some concerns - prelim review of the board is coming up.
Thanks! Really great content :)