In the class do you cover when acid stains are a bad choice because there isn't enough cement paste left on the surface to react and your better off using a non reactive product? ;)
Been doing concrete for 50 years,never liked acids,like you said,you never know what color it’s going to be. My product of choice for coloring is the Smiths water based colors,I’ve had absolutely good luck with the product and the people I’ve done it for really like the distressed look on the slabs. You did a great job of pleasing the customer on this one.
I do this for a living as well and you pretty much nailed it. Yes, that old slab has zero Portland left on the surface so you're basically staining the fine aggregate. Looked great when finished!!
I have added paint to the sealer to enhance colors in the past. I've added paint to concrete to put some color in it while pouring. Adding paint to the sealer seems to have the most dramatic effect.
We have always premeasured a bucket, marked the level, and cut a hole in the bucket at that line. Usually about a 1” square. Then we fill a garbage can full of water. Set a board across the edge of the garbage can to set the bucket on. Then you just dip the bucket to fill it up and it will drain to your exact measurement every time. It’s really fast and very consistent. We kept the buckets and makes them for the material we uses with them and the measurement. Then you’ll have a bucket labeled “Quikrete 60 pounds/1 gallon.
Thanks! We use a sprayer than can handle solvents. It looks like a cheap sprayer from Home Depot but it’s actually made for acetone. There are a few different brands. Just search “acetone sprayer”. 👍🏻👍🏻
Have a driveway about 8 years old, while building pool cement truck broke part of it! So have driveway 2 different color would you suggest this or thoughts? Thank you great video!
Suggestion: when pouring from the can, have the spot at the top. Less gurgling and splashing. Works with antifreeze as well. Even though you won’t head this far north to Southern MD. 😆😆😆 I still enjoy the videos.
Hello, thanks for this great video. I have a question. We have our house recently done by a contractor, and they colored the concrete by a adding oxide pigments to the mix (to make it burgundy-ish). They did not apply any sealer. I was unaware that I couldn't use white vinegar on concrete (whoops!) and now there's a segment of it that is a lighter colour (so far I managed to hide it mixing flax oil with the pigment and applying on the floor). On top of that, the corners of the room are now fading to a lighter colour. I wanted to know if by using acid stain I'd be able to get an even colour in the whole room or if it would react differently according to the base colour. Else, would you suggest an epoxy coat? Thanks a lot !!
Good Work, I do the same in California. I can tell you save time and arm pump, there are nice constant pressure backpack pumps they work great, and they hold up to 4 gallons.
I don’t like to talk about specific pricing on UA-cam… but stained concrete can be anywhere from $3-$5 per foot. DM me on IG if you want to talk about it. @timdcva
You’re welcome. Acid stains are pretty generic. You just need to find someone that sells it near you. The sealer was a solvent based acrylic. We cover specific brands we like in our stained concrete course. You can check it out here if you’d like: decorativeconcreteschool.teachable.com
It almost looks like either the color selected was the issue, or the yield was too high. 1 gallon of decent stuff can do about 400 sq ft to my knowledge. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The metallic salts in the acid stain need to react with the hydrated lime in the concrete. Your slab had seen better days when it had the top layer, or paste that carries the hydrated lime. That is why your client liked the new concrete, not the old. A water based stain would have produced a better application. Acids stains as well as dyes, or water based stains are never similar to chip boards, or manufactures samples unless you have a decent concrete slab, or a overlayment that is white, or gray. Concrete also varies in density which will also affect the outcome. Acid stains are a chemical reaction which showcase variances for that particular reason, where as water based stains are topical acrylics that requires artistic application to showcase variances, and dyes are typical for detailing designs that require caution when being applied, especially indoors. Acetone dyes evap quickly and for any project can get very expensive. Fix the cracks.
You can keep that acid stain nothing but a pain to work with every substrate is different it depends on the pour of the concrete so many challenges when doing acid stain and when you have to rinse and neutralize you doing nothing but put moisture in the concrete
You didn't use enough. Soak that concrete. I didn't dilute mine either. It was my first time and it turned out awesome. I could see it turn colors in 20 minutes. Maybe I just got lucky but it was easier then doing other flooring.
do you have a course or one on one on some marketing and finding customers strategies? Id gladly buy all my supplies from a distributor willing to offer some advise , when Im starting out without a huge marketing budget,
That's not what I got out of it. I understood it to be old concrete has less surface aggregate and more cracks, therefore it stains unpredictably and holds the stain less.
Thanks for your concern. Yes you should always wear a respirator. Sometimes we bend the rules if we are working outside on a hot and windy day and you can’t smell the fumes.
That technique doesn’t last, use epoxy and a professional top coat because that stain sealer will not last!! It’s going to separate and flake, especially using an acetone based chemical that will pull moisture out of the concrete!!! Call your local epoxy professional before you waste your money on this short term look!!
If you want to stain concrete call a concrete contractor and color it when it’s poured!!! This stain is like putting color on an egg, concrete has to colored or epoxied to hold a look!! Don’t be scammed by this!! Concrete will air gas which is going to push all their color and sealer off the surface!!
A lot of people wouldn't go the extra step to try and get it closer. The customer was told the potential issues, so it's not their problem. Hopefully they appreciate it.
Wow It’s really a gamble when you use “hope” early in the project You do excellent work Don’t you love when a customer has a major event in 3 days and the owner doesn’t really know
This is a semi transparent system. You can’t patch them without it looking like a patch. On a stained concrete job it’s better to just leave them exposed.
Check out our new stained concrete course here: decorativeconcreteschool.teachable.com/p/stained-concrete
In the class do you cover when acid stains are a bad choice because there isn't enough cement paste left on the surface to react and your better off using a non reactive product? ;)
Been doing concrete for 50 years,never liked acids,like you said,you never know what color it’s going to be. My product of choice for coloring is the Smiths water based colors,I’ve had absolutely good luck with the product and the people I’ve done it for really like the distressed look on the slabs. You did a great job of pleasing the customer on this one.
I do this for a living as well and you pretty much nailed it. Yes, that old slab has zero Portland left on the surface so you're basically staining the fine aggregate. Looked great when finished!!
Thanks!
I have added paint to the sealer to enhance colors in the past. I've added paint to concrete to put some color in it while pouring. Adding paint to the sealer seems to have the most dramatic effect.
Why the cracks not fix?
We have always premeasured a bucket, marked the level, and cut a hole in the bucket at that line. Usually about a 1” square. Then we fill a garbage can full of water. Set a board across the edge of the garbage can to set the bucket on. Then you just dip the bucket to fill it up and it will drain to your exact measurement every time. It’s really fast and very consistent. We kept the buckets and makes them for the material we uses with them and the measurement. Then you’ll have a bucket labeled “Quikrete 60 pounds/1 gallon.
How do you hide repairs before staining?
Why not age the newer concrete with color beforehand?
There was Behr concrete stain put on indoor floor. Essentially paint. Could we stain over that? Or would we have to sand it off?
I Stained my 2 driveways over Acid with Behr Concrete Stain results are Night and Day ..cheaper and better results
What wet vacuum were you using and does it have a auto pump out
Have you ever used cem-coat by brickform stain?
Acid base stain or water based stain on new concrete countertop. Looking for your opinion
I would choose acid in that scenario.
How are u able to spray Acetone through a pump sprayer without melting the o-rings etc ? Thx great video
Thanks! We use a sprayer than can handle solvents. It looks like a cheap sprayer from Home Depot but it’s actually made for acetone. There are a few different brands. Just search “acetone sprayer”. 👍🏻👍🏻
Did not that. Thank u for ur time! 👋🏻
Did not that. Thank u for ur time! 👋🏻
I tint my sealer with dissolved antique release powder. and skip the acetone phase. nice job on this slab
Have a driveway about 8 years old, while building pool cement truck broke part of it! So have driveway 2 different color would you suggest this or thoughts? Thank you great video!
What happens when the acid stain doesn’t react to the concrete or stain it? What you do at that point?
how do i clean it thoo theres food steps every were
Suggestion: when pouring from the can, have the spot at the top. Less gurgling and splashing. Works with antifreeze as well.
Even though you won’t head this far north to Southern MD. 😆😆😆 I still enjoy the videos.
Haha. Thank you!
Great videos 👍. What's the brand of the red sprayer please?
Thanks!
Sprayer: amzn.to/3FwbK6M
Hello, thanks for this great video. I have a question. We have our house recently done by a contractor, and they colored the concrete by a adding oxide pigments to the mix (to make it burgundy-ish). They did not apply any sealer. I was unaware that I couldn't use white vinegar on concrete (whoops!) and now there's a segment of it that is a lighter colour (so far I managed to hide it mixing flax oil with the pigment and applying on the floor). On top of that, the corners of the room are now fading to a lighter colour. I wanted to know if by using acid stain I'd be able to get an even colour in the whole room or if it would react differently according to the base colour. Else, would you suggest an epoxy coat? Thanks a lot !!
15 years ago I honed my concrete, used wood stain then sealed it. It looks perfect to this day.
wood stain can be used on concrete? how?
honed?
How much acetone you add to the product?
One gallon per bottle of dye.
@@TimDCVA
Thx
Good Work, I do the same in California. I can tell you save time and arm pump, there are nice constant pressure backpack pumps they work great, and they hold up to 4 gallons.
Thanks for the tip. I actually just got a sprayer than you can fill up with a compressor. It's a huge upgrade. Ha.
Whatd you quote them for this job
I don’t like to talk about specific pricing on UA-cam… but stained concrete can be anywhere from $3-$5 per foot. DM me on IG if you want to talk about it. @timdcva
I wouldn't twinkle my toes for $3 a foot to go and do any type of staining
@@rocksteady6448 That's why people do it themselves. You probably don't work on Fridays either.
I don't seem to be able to find the links to the products you use. Thank you for an excellent video.
You’re welcome.
Acid stains are pretty generic. You just need to find someone that sells it near you.
The sealer was a solvent based acrylic.
We cover specific brands we like in our stained concrete course. You can check it out here if you’d like:
decorativeconcreteschool.teachable.com
Why did you have to neutralize the first stain but not the second one..
The first stain is acid based. The second was acetone based.
Nice work
How would you remove this acid wash??? Anyone?
you would have to grind the concrete below its penetration level, usually about an 1/8"
My wife is wanting to do our house that we are remodeling but I don’t have a clue how to. It also has tile down now 🤦♂️
Your not going to like the way it looks if it has tile on it now unless you do an overlay
@@DapperSurfacesLLCRochester I’m definitely going to have pour the lever on it
The mortar lines will show unless you apply a concrete topper or have the entire surface ground down.
tape off the wall stone so the edges r straight and crisp. use duct tape and remove when dry. it works and is a better looking job.
It almost looks like either the color selected was the issue, or the yield was too high. 1 gallon of decent stuff can do about 400 sq ft to my knowledge. Correct me if I'm wrong.
You are correct. It just didn’t react with the old concrete very well though. It looked really nice on the new concrete around some of the piers.
The metallic salts in the acid stain need to react with the hydrated lime in the concrete. Your slab had seen better days when it had the top layer, or paste that carries the hydrated lime. That is why your client liked the new concrete, not the old. A water based stain would have produced a better application. Acids stains as well as dyes, or water based stains are never similar to chip boards, or manufactures samples unless you have a decent concrete slab, or a overlayment that is white, or gray. Concrete also varies in density which will also affect the outcome. Acid stains are a chemical reaction which showcase variances for that particular reason, where as water based stains are topical acrylics that requires artistic application to showcase variances, and dyes are typical for detailing designs that require caution when being applied, especially indoors. Acetone dyes evap quickly and for any project can get very expensive. Fix the cracks.
How would ypu fix the cracks if acid staining?
You can keep that acid stain nothing but a pain to work with every substrate is different it depends on the pour of the concrete so many challenges when doing acid stain and when you have to rinse and neutralize you doing nothing but put moisture in the concrete
Haha. 👍🏻👍🏻
Would you know how to remove the acid stain??
@@hawkmoonismit’s permanent
I work in the field of epoxy floor paint
Much better job with the dye
You didn't use enough. Soak that concrete. I didn't dilute mine either. It was my first time and it turned out awesome. I could see it turn colors in 20 minutes. Maybe I just got lucky but it was easier then doing other flooring.
NICE!
Thanks!
Tried it wasted $$ on products followed each step the product dries faded ....went to Concrete Stain from Behr came out perfect
All stains look terrible when they dry. You have to seal them to enhance the color.
do you have a course or one on one on some marketing and finding customers strategies? Id gladly buy all my supplies from a distributor willing to offer some advise , when Im starting out without a huge marketing budget,
All you need is a blower, and you can stain it even if it’s wet.
Summary: Dye (unevenly applied, intentionally) compensates for the underwhelming effect of the acid stain.
That's not what I got out of it. I understood it to be old concrete has less surface aggregate and more cracks, therefore it stains unpredictably and holds the stain less.
Come on thats basic 101 with acid stains and alkalinity in old concrete .. this is why I use water based for the past 15 years
fill the cracks mate!!!! looks half done
why do you both not need a mask while you are doing this....dangerous fumes or not?
Thanks for your concern.
Yes you should always wear a respirator.
Sometimes we bend the rules if we are working outside on a hot and windy day and you can’t smell the fumes.
Fumes and it smells like rotten eggs
that's some serious dookie man, and boy that acetone smells good ! (and that musical accompaniment sounds forboding).
That technique doesn’t last, use epoxy and a professional top coat because that stain sealer will not last!! It’s going to separate and flake, especially using an acetone based chemical that will pull moisture out of the concrete!!! Call your local epoxy professional before you waste your money on this short term look!!
If you want to stain concrete call a concrete contractor and color it when it’s poured!!! This stain is like putting color on an egg, concrete has to colored or epoxied to hold a look!! Don’t be scammed by this!! Concrete will air gas which is going to push all their color and sealer off the surface!!
Scammed? This guy is staining old concrete. You are stating the obvious.
#1 Amateur problem. That entire pad needed be power sanded or grinded or a bare minimum, etched.
#2 Amateur problem. Not doing a small test spot.
You shouldn’t ever acid etch before using an acid stain.
We didn’t want to grind the texture off of the pad since it’s an exterior project.
A lot of people wouldn't go the extra step to try and get it closer. The customer was told the potential issues, so it's not their problem. Hopefully they appreciate it.
Wow
It’s really a gamble when you use “hope” early in the project
You do excellent work
Don’t you love when a customer has a major event in 3 days and the owner doesn’t really know
why not fix the cracks?
This is a semi transparent system. You can’t patch them without it looking like a patch. On a stained concrete job it’s better to just leave them exposed.
Damn glad the owner wasn’t a woman while you’re dealing with colors!
I work in the field of epoxy floor paint