It: Chapter Two had a budget of $79 million, almost the exact same as Alien: Romulus. Both are horror movies. The Wolfman from 2010 had a budget of $150 million, and it’s still a horror movie. Budget cannot determine the genre of a film.
Alien Romulus is a horror movie. As well as the first Alien movie. The word “franchise” is not a movie genre. It’s both a franchise and a horror movie… it’s not a requirement for horror to have low budgets to make it a horror.
Grace in previous stream: disparages idea of Sydney Sweeney being a Hitchcock blonde -Sweeney get cast as Hitchcock blonde Also Grace: "that's incredible casting" Gotta love it!
I can’t believe she thinks a budget dictates what genre something falls under…. Money has nothing to do with something being horror or not…. If they want to spend 200 million on the next conjuring movie is it suddenly not a horror movie?
I think her point is, from the perspective of studio execs and expectation, they would view this as a franchise movie with the expectation that it would perform like one. So in this context calling something a horror movie == lower overall budget, higher multiplier, etc.
That’s the very argument she’s making, “nobody makes an $80 Million dollar horror movie unless they’re an absolute moron”. Nobody would EVER decide to spend $200 Million on the conjuring; it simply would never happen. Hence the sentiment she’s expressing
Today I learned...budget can change a genre. 🤷 1.) Story and tone determine a genre. 2.) Budget affects the box expectations of a film regardless of genre. 3.) While certain genres tend to have different average budgets. It is possible for any film within any genre to have a budget outside the average of the genre. 4.) Success of a film is determined by budget and box office, regardless of genre. Jurassic Park and Terminator are very different from Alien due to story and tone. Is Event Horizon not a Horror Movie?
Event Horizon is a film about a spaceship that literally crossed over into a hell dimension and houses an entity that systematically kills everyone on board. But wait! The budget was 60 million dollars so it's not a horror film 😂
Yeah, this is people talking past each other. It’s two sides using the same word-“horror”-to mean two completely different things. Fans are categorizing based on entertainment genre, and Grace is categorizing based on Hollywood expectations.
I did some analysis recently for a project and I came to the same conclusion as Grace tbf, Alien just has more horror elements but I do think “franchise” in the context of the 80s (where the Alien movies originate) needs some nuance
I went to see it when it first came out. If you weren't around back then you have no idea what a stunning film this was to us. I think the only franchise we'd heard of back then was the ORIGINAL Planet of the Apes.
I feel like budget shouldn’t determine the genre of a movie. There are rom-coms (a historically cheap genre, like horror) that costed north of $50 and are still considered rom-coms. I believe Alien Romulus is a horror movie because it’s features graphic violence AND jump scares with body horror.
Yeah, I think the discussion issue is both sides talking past each other. From like, where it goes on my shelf (if I still had a DVD shelf) or where it goes in the movie store shelves, it’s horror. But I think Grace is talking about Hollywood expectations for monetary performance. “Horror” movies perform way lower with way lower audience scores but are considered successful because they have low expectations. But movies like Alien have the expectations of a franchise/blockbuster movie.
I think the Aliens franchise was the first real movie video game, in arcades, for years! Furthermore, I'd argue most kids throughout those years, really normalized that "body horror" to the following generations, vice versa. Aliens has astoundingly survived the decades, as a STAPLE of Horror. Yet, it has become something more entirely. 😂 'this ish doesnt scare me' - me, during Romulus
Every Alien movie is absolutely a horror movie. It’s sci-fi horror, sure, but it’s a freaking horror movie! It’s full of violence and gore and jump scares and everything else. Are the It movies suddenly not classified as horror because they cost $80 million to make??
The Alien horror discussion is dumb it's a R Rated franchise. Comparing Romulus to Kingdom part of a PG-13 franchise with twice the budget is just stupid. Also Grace saying Alien is closer to Jurassic Park which has never had an R Rated installment and also has insane budgets is such a bad comparison. Romulus was a success don't know why Grace is grasping at straws to die on this hill that Romulus was a disappointment financially.
Alien Romulus made 350mill world wide, if we follow the box office formula of the budget x 2.5 .... Romulus made about 30-40 million in profit... that is underperforming.
@@moviesteels7422 she establishes narratives early and then sticks to them. She says all kinds of weird things like this. It's often in reference to certain actors or directors. She will say "they just can't get work". As if she knows what people are being offered, turning down, etc. It's bizarre.
@@andrewdotjames That formula is hardly accurate in many cases and by that metric its assuming Romulus had a marketing budget in near excess its budget. Fede put it between 20-40 mill and closer to lower (it was originally going direct to streaming). Putting profit far above 30-40 million. Again you guys need to find a better hill to die on. The film did fine. Especially considering its getting sequel lol
@@andrewdotjames By these stats Captain America: The First Avenger, X-Men: First Class, and Batman Begins are flops that never should have gotten sequels in the first place (apply the budget x 2.5 rule to those movies) no one’s arguing Romulus is a blockbuster, we’re arguing that it’s hardly “underperforming” Also hi again I think I commented on another one of ur comments lol
@@andrewdotjames Kingdom made less than $50 million more worldwide on twice the budget and is PG-13. Framing one as a success and one a disappointment just doesn't make sense. I'm not saying Romulus was some huge blockbuster but acting like it was a disappointment especially for a franchise that's never been a huge draw and coming after decades of sequels that were not received well by the general public, Romulus was definitely a success.
The first Terminator and the first Alien are very much horror movies, and categorized as such. They weren’t conceived as franchises at the time but one offs. They only became franchises later on due to their success. As for Jurassic Park, Spielberg never intended to do a horror movie. That’s another element, the intent of the filmmaker. And since when the budget determines the genre?
girl… just cause it has a large budget doesn’t make something not a horror film. i’m sure that IT sequel a few years back was expensive as hell. and definitely considered a horror movie.
I think those two films are quite anomalous, to be fair. The 700 million dollar gross of the first was vastly beyond anything they imagined it to make. It naturally rendered the second budget to be much larger than average.
@@dylanmcmahon3162 are you surprised? Grace failed to make it in Hollywood and now has to settle for an outsider's perspective basically pretending she knows what she is talking about.
@@WRDend It’s just a fact that Alien is a horror movie. Grace is just being silly. She says it’s not horror but a franchise, as if there aren’t other horror franchises.
The first Alien is not only a horror movie, it’s a slasher movie. Follows all the structure and tropes of the slasher genre, they just combined it with a monster movie and set it in space. The tagline was literally “In space, no one can hear you scream”
@@BluePrada Ridley Scott himself has said Texas Chainsaw Massacre was one of the films big inspirations and has compared Alien to The Exorcist. Alien is not only a horror movie, but one of the best horror movies of all time.
@@BluePradayou will say anything to not acknowledge that it is lol the first movie is literally a horror movie. Pretending like it isn’t is ludicrous. The second one is more sci-fi action for sure. But anyone trying to say the first alien isn’t a horror either hasn’t seen it or is an idiot.
Lol Grace said the movie flat out wasn’t that successful when it came out with the numbers and now she’s gradually taking the sting off b/c a sequel got announced and she herself has said sequels don’t get made for movies that don’t garner interest and generate money lol
I remember too how tho she said she loved the movie, which it does seem like that’s true to be fair. But she tweeted a bunch of things lowkey against the film just to kind of spite people who said it was actually doing alright which was against her original word. It seems like the business brain never turns off, and even if she loved a movie, if it’s not doing the most amazing numbers humanly possible, she kinda goes against it somewhat. I remember her first weekend breakdown she even said that it was an awful number. And then she got a lot of flack because that just wasn’t true. And she had to go back and basically say “ok it wasn’t a flop, but it’s not THAT good”. And like you said, now that a sequel is literally happening all of a sudden it’s like “oh well I can see why they’d make one” alright then.
Franchise but not a horror movie?? You can not spend money on horror movies?? This is actually the worst take ever. A movie GENRE is not depicted by how much it cost or how many there are. Horror is a genre!!! Like action, love story, western, etc. maybe expensive horror movies don’t make money, but they are still HORROR movies. SMH
One could argue that Alien is an ACTION movie with horror elements. Hot lady with a big machine gun kills monster... sounds like an action movie to me.
@@andrewdotjames Aliens had the machine guns, Alien just had a flamethrower, not having a gun is one of the points of facing off such a thing (not that they make much difference as we learn in aliens, even less so on a ship in space) they gotta get creative with how to fight this thing and for the first time too. I like Grace but she’s got a weird take on this topic, “Alien is a franchise not horror, not the same as Scream which is a horror”, is Scream not a franchise cuz Scream 6 would beg to differ
@@isaaccrist8642 I agree her use of the word franchise is not appropriate for the first Alien. But it’s an action movie. Just like Jaws, just like Predator, just like Jurassic Park, just like Terminator. A movie can have horror elements but the budget shows us it’s comparable to high budget action movies. It is not a traditional horror movie, therefore it can’t perform like a traditional horror movie.
Grace was speaking as if Alien and Apes were disappointments and that she wasn't sure if the directors should get work because they didn't have their "buisness hats" on. Grace has really nonsensical takes- a LOT.
Alien Romulus is a horror film… in the marketing they used quotes calling it “the best horror film of the year” if Disney Fox didn’t want it to be a horror film or perform like one then who allowed those quotes to be used in promotional material for the film? Also all the trailers were cut like horror trailer not “franchise” trailers 🤣 love you Grace
@@mabusestestament it’s pure sci-fi horror always has been, monster alien horror. I think Grace is focusing on budget and the synthetic part of the films 😬
Its a horror film, that is part of a franchise. Using the cost of a movie to define its genre is missguided at best. That would be like saying Titanic is not a love story because it costed several millions...
TITANIC had a love story in it, but studios wouldn't give a large budget for a love story, so it's an EPIC/DISASTER movie. But yes the genre would be romance.
The cost of a movie does not determine whether it is a horror movie. A horror movie can be part of a franchise. I don't understand why she thinks a horror movie can't be a franchise. Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, Saw, Scream, Child's Play, Evil Dead Halloween, hell IT had big budgets and those are horror movies and franchises Alien, and Predator are all horror movie franchises. Although Predator has shifted more into action over time, Alien remains primarily sci-fi due to its plot and setting, not its genre. When you have aliens laying eggs in people's bodies and then bursting out, it's definitely horror. That's why they got Fede Álvarez; he is a horror movie director. didn't she go to film school
"Master and Commander was one of the worst movies of 2003." Grace is very likable and entertaining, but consider this statement when listening to her reviews of new movies your thinking of seeing.
You can pig out on your word salad, Grace, but The Conjuring is most definitely a horror franchise. In fact, they've built a whole universe out of those Ed and Lorraine movies. So is Scream. So is The Omen. They are horror movies with many sequels, ergo a franchise. Given that it is possible to build a franchise out of a horror movie, why can't that definition apply to Alien?
Budget does not equate to the classification of a specific genre. Horror movies --REGARDLESS OF BUDGET-are designed to terrify and elicit fear from the audience at large. Alien does that in multitudes. By your rationale you might as well preach to the masses that the world is flat. I like you Grace and what you built in this space, but your reasoning here is fundamentally flawed.
I have to add my 2 cents to the convo about Alien Romulus as a horror film. I was around when the first Alien came out and it 98% seen as a horror film. When Alien Romulus trailers first dropped they really pushed F Alvarez as the director and I personally know several people that are not fans of horror movies that avoided it for that reason. Is it part of a franchise, yes but was it considered horror by the general public…mostly yes as well. Also, Jurassic Park was definitely not considered horror because everyone knew the director wouldn’t really go there. 👽
@@Jaycy845 It's subjective because the primary intent of Jurassic Park isn't to invoke fear: it's actually quite balanced in that it juggles displaying wonder and excitement *with* terror. Jurassic Park is often viewed as an adventure film first (where characters journey from 'one world' (our dinosaur-less Earth) to 'another world' (a dinosaur-filled island)), then science-fiction (due to tampering with DNA, bringing creatures to life that no longer exist), then thriller. The reason it's often viewed as a thriller rather than a horror is because the horror elements aren't meant to be unsightly, visually disturbing, or psychologically upsetting--instead, the horror elements are meant to create tension, and excitement *mixed* with fear. Thriller aims to keep the audience thrilled, horror aims to leave the audience frightened or disgusted. Jurassic Park doesn't try to upset its audience--all of the 'good' characters successfully make it out alive. Compare it to, say, Spielberg's Jaws, and we see a horror film that revels in both frightening its audience *and* disgusting its audience (the girl's body on the beach, Quint's death).
Most successful directors started in horror movies first, but we forget where they came from first in the industry. Steven Spielberg Duel, Jaws, Jurassic Park, Peter Jackson - Bad taste, Brain dead Frighteners, James Gunn- Slither, Francis Ford Coppola - Dementia 13, David Fincher- Alien 3, Seven, Danny Boyle -28 Days later, JJ Abrams - Night Breast, James Cameron -Piranha 2, Zack Snyder - the dawn of the dead.
Good point. It also was a huge box office failure. So Grace is right Horror movies should not cost that much. That movie’s budget was a 100 million to much.
@@YaraMay20 "Horror films shouldn't cost that much" is a totally different argument than "That's not a horror film." In fact, to really make the point she's TRYING to make, she needs to admit that Wolfman IS a horror film, because if it is by definition NOT a horror film, then you can't argue that it failed due to being a too-high budget horror film. Her logic is circular: it's not a horror film, but it failed because horror films shouldn't have that high a budget? Think about that for a little more than 2 seconds
43:15 you tell us all the time Grace you have to put on your business hat. It's understandable about how you feel about what happened with Rey but like you just said it's your feelings. At the end of the day the character doesn't have enough fans to make good money in the movie it should probably be a streaming show at the most. Rey Skywalker?!?!?! Cmon. Just because you would like to see Rey done right doesn't mean that "Rey done right" would sell tickets. A good Rey movie is not the path to Star Wars success at this point...IMO
Alien is not horror? Dan O'Bannon said it was, but what does he know, he only co-wrote the damn thing. edit: I can see if you look at it from a business perspective on how to treat it, you can see it as a franchise, but from a storytelling perspective, it definitely is horror in a sci-fi setting.
I just want to point out that the Disney trilogy did not do well because of Kathleen Kennedy. They did well because of brand name and because it was while since we got any. Kennedy has been a disaster
If the female director is not a HUGE action movie fan, they should not hire her. And maybe there are very few female directors that are. Then hire a man and maybe because there was a female lead, it will inspire a girl to become an action director one day. But I think a lot of these female directors say they like action movies just as much as the next guy, but they clearly don't.
Grace: please no spoilers for the recent Alien movie. 1 minute later Grace answers question after question from chat about specific parts of the ending of the movie.I 😁😁😅😅😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁 No interest in seeing the film, but hope others knew to skip this bit of the vid if they have yet to see the film.
If Alien Romulus isn't a horror movie does that mean the IT movies aren't horror either? The second one cost $79m, about the same as Romulus. You can make a movie of any budget in pretty much any genre. Even on D+ Alien 1 and a bunch of the others are classified as Horror/Sci-Fi movies. Theaters and digital streaming services also consider it horror/sci-fi. So it might be an expensive horror movie, but it is a horror film. Jurassic Park is classified as a Sci-Fi/Adventure PG-13 movie btw.
Both Jurassic and Alien have been saturating in the entertainment industry since their release. Even in the arcades, and no other horror franchise is even close to Aliens footprint in the entertainment sphere. Furthermore, the video game industry is worth more than the movie AND music industries combined. 😂
I can only speak for myself but the Rey character will always alienate me because she’s essentially being given what Luke’s arc should’ve been for sequels which is rebuilding the New Jedi Order. Rey could’ve continued that legacy into a new story or done something completely different but to me it felt like Luke was demoted to Rey can be propped. I like Daisy and she deserved better.
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L take about Alien, by the way we need more crossover movies, a Planet of the Apes Vs Alien would be awesome
Alien became a franchise only because of the success of the first Alien film, which was a horror film set in space. Its adherence to genre themes etc happened before it got turned into a franchise. Understanding it from a business perspective or a 'fan' perspective is irrelevant as the historical sequence of events is undeniable.
im really surprised by your comment as its not true about Alien franchise. Respectfully to your opinion Grace, I have to disagree with your comment, 100% Alien is definitely a horror genre, especially within the sci-fi horror subgenre. The film’s core elements focus on fear, suspense, and survival against extraterrestrial threats, which are classic horror themes. Genre classification is all about narrative elements, not the production budget, so the horror label holds true regardless of costs involved. The Alien movies stand out for blending horror with a futuristic setting, making them a hallmark of sci-fi horror! As I have studied a degree in film theory. Franchise is a series of work such movie, books comic books and games to either expand on the story, character or the successful plot. Your comments is ill-informed about a film genre ...i get you reference jason blum movies his low production cost. Jaws, IT, Predator, Child's Play(Chucky) are all horror movie with a big budget. monster horror, slasher horror, Supernatural horror, sci-fi horror, body horror, folk horror, psychological horror, Apocalyptic or post apocalypse horror... Are all horror regardless
I really don't understand how Chris Hemsworth keeps getting offered lead roles in blockbusters. He tried to launch so many different franchises but, besides Thor (and Extraction that is a Netflix original so I wouldn'treally count it) he has only had flops. He clearly doesn't get butts in seats.
My big problem with the Rey movie remains that I don't want to see the sequels acknowledged as canon or elaborated upon in any capacity. They were uninspired, subversive slop that destroyed Luke and ruined Anakin's story arc. Rey being a weak character and the activist director are just two additional reasons not to care. But I wouldn't have cared anyway. There was nothing they could have done to make me care about this story. It was impossible.
@@Dr.LongMonkey "Those sequels made over a billion dollars each." The first one made two billion, because fans like myself were fully invested and optimistic back then, but their earnings declined dramatically. I expect that trend to continue.
Kathleen kennedy has ruined her legacy. Yes, whilst in the hollywood bubble, will be known as a legendary producer. But the rest of the world and the general public, she will be remembered as the person who botched / mismanaged star wars follwoing it's acquisition at Disney. More normal / non industry people will know her from that South Park episode , than for work on Indiana Jones, ET etc..
Most Star Wars Fans are not interested in watching Rey Palpatine succeed at what KK & Lucasfilm forced Luke Skywalker fail at. That is the fundamental issue. Rey has Three Movies and the ST Box Office dropped by 1 Billion over those movie. Daisy Ridley may be a good actress but she doesn't drive Box Office.
Budget doesn’t dictate genre, GENRE, dictates genre. Budget dictates itself. Also Jurassic Park 1 is a horror adventure film, they became action franchises later on.
Diversity should always be about adding people to table not kicking people out. No group is perfect and we should learn from the past, and always try to be kind and better.
This whole conversation around Alien has been so weird when you consider it’s the second highest grossing Alien film. Only Prometheus did more, a bit over $400 million overall but it also cost $50 million more to make. No matter how you want to look at it Alien Romulus did 2.5 its budget, was critically acclaimed, and showed clear fan interest still existing in the franchise. Why in the world would they not make a sequel?!? I feel like you expect all big movies to make Marvel profits and that has literally never been what this franchise is…
Sharmeen Obaid comes from a world of making documentaries about acid attack victims in Pakistan (oscar winning ones) and she was talking about that in her quote This quote has been used irresponsibly and with misinformation that she was talking about the Star Wars fandom
Grace, u are a sore loser, you can turn things however you want, but the fact that Fede Alvarez and Wes Ball are STAYING shows that we were correct all the time. Both movies made a lot of money for what they are and the marketing was very cheap for the two of them.
Thank you Grace for never shying away from difficult conversations. It’s necessary and a lot of us really value and appreciate that aspect of your coverage.
Robert De Niro went on his typical hyperbole rage when he found out that almost all of is flashback scenes in Joker 2 were cut and plus Joker 3 was canceled!😂
Lot of stink going on in the comments. Let’s settle it. Directly from Twentieth Century Studios site for both “Aliens” and “Romulus” Genre: Horror, Science Fiction, Suspense, Thriller If the studio can’t tag their own movies genre, then I don’t know who can. I guess movie critics?
Does this whole talk about what genre the alien franchise is even matter? Can we as fans just all be excited we’re getting a sequel to one of the best movies of the year? As long as Fede Alvarez makes another movie as good as this last one, people can label it whatever they damn well want 😂😂
I understand where Grace is coming from, but her reasoning is very tunnel vision. Look at Marvel, her examples define everything Marvel pumps out as superhero content, but Agatha isn't, Secret invasion isn't, Wandavision wasn't until the finale, Loki wasn't. Also, what about things that are overbudgeted? I feel that a great deal of arguments Grace makes about "WTF studios are thinking" with some of their decisions further prove that THEY don't follow Grace's definitions thereby bypassing what she says that studio heads follow it. Hell, what is The Acolyte, the studio might say it's star Wars and budget it as such but it doesn't even have space battles.
Me and my brother bonded over Star Wars. I was always a Jedi princess and we would always have lifesavers fights. It was fun. For that Star Wars will always have a place in my heart.
Alien is a horror franchise through and through. The first Jurassic Park is a horror movie and so it's the first Terminator. Budget and box office has nothing to do with the genre. Sorry, Grace.
Let's take Chinoy's comment and reverse it, for those who don't understand how inflammatory it really was. " Oh, absolutely. I like to make women uncomfortable. I enjoy making women uncomfortable... it is important to be able to look into the eyes of a woman and say, " I am here", and recognize that. And recognize that I am working to bring something that makes you uncomfortable, and it should make you uncomfortable because you need to change your attitude."
@@peterm.4355 No one would care why a man had said "I enjoy making women uncomfortable," he would just be kicked to the curb. And yes, I know why she thinks men deserve to me made uncomfortable.
@@peterm.4355 Yes, men are, collectively and individually, held responsible for women's collective and individual feelings. Women are free to smugly hate men without repercussions.
It: Chapter Two had a budget of $79 million, almost the exact same as Alien: Romulus. Both are horror movies. The Wolfman from 2010 had a budget of $150 million, and it’s still a horror movie. Budget cannot determine the genre of a film.
sorry but Grace is the professional here. She is closer to being an elite than you. Therefore she is right n
@@bobbythememeshe just giving opinion like anybody Else
@@amexred grace gives facts, not opinions
@@bobbythememeshe’s not lol
@TomOBedlam-i1sGrace is technically not just a UA-camr.
Grace is in fact a professional movie critic also.
Alien Romulus is a horror movie. As well as the first Alien movie. The word “franchise” is not a movie genre. It’s both a franchise and a horror movie… it’s not a requirement for horror to have low budgets to make it a horror.
Alien 1 is a franchise movie even before it became a franchise?
Alien IS a horror movie. A horror movie is not defined by how much it cost
@@eriksolo5866 Exactly. A genre is not defined by budget.
Who says a horror movie is defined by cost?
@@terrymcginnis01 Grace.
Grace in previous stream: disparages idea of Sydney Sweeney being a Hitchcock blonde
-Sweeney get cast as Hitchcock blonde
Also Grace: "that's incredible casting"
Gotta love it!
I notice that too 😂😂😂
Typical Grace
Respectfully disagree, Grace! Alien is a haunted house movie, truly.
I can’t believe she thinks a budget dictates what genre something falls under…. Money has nothing to do with something being horror or not…. If they want to spend 200 million on the next conjuring movie is it suddenly not a horror movie?
It's franchise horror remember
@@amexred franchise horror isn't a genre its a horror movie that is about apart of a franchise. franchise itself is not a genre
And this is the same woman who would call The winter soldier a "Spy thriller" at the same time.. so shows shes talking out of her A$$ with this one
I think her point is, from the perspective of studio execs and expectation, they would view this as a franchise movie with the expectation that it would perform like one. So in this context calling something a horror movie == lower overall budget, higher multiplier, etc.
That’s the very argument she’s making, “nobody makes an $80 Million dollar horror movie unless they’re an absolute moron”.
Nobody would EVER decide to spend $200 Million on the conjuring; it simply would never happen. Hence the sentiment she’s expressing
Today I learned...budget can change a genre. 🤷
1.) Story and tone determine a genre.
2.) Budget affects the box expectations of a film regardless of genre.
3.) While certain genres tend to have different average budgets. It is possible for any film within any genre to have a budget outside the average of the genre.
4.) Success of a film is determined by budget and box office, regardless of genre.
Jurassic Park and Terminator are very different from Alien due to story and tone.
Is Event Horizon not a Horror Movie?
Yeah that was a wild take. Going my Grace’s logic, Jaws isn’t a horror movie 😂
Event Horizon is a film about a spaceship that literally crossed over into a hell dimension and houses an entity that systematically kills everyone on board. But wait! The budget was 60 million dollars so it's not a horror film 😂
You gotta love those Randolph hot takes.
Yeah, this is people talking past each other. It’s two sides using the same word-“horror”-to mean two completely different things. Fans are categorizing based on entertainment genre, and Grace is categorizing based on Hollywood expectations.
@@Jaycy845 I feel like Jaws is more thriller than horror
Comparing Alien 1979 to Jurrasic Park? Saying that even the first Alien movie would have been called a franchise movie even back then? Grace is mad.
I did some analysis recently for a project and I came to the same conclusion as Grace tbf, Alien just has more horror elements but I do think “franchise” in the context of the 80s (where the Alien movies originate) needs some nuance
I went to see it when it first came out. If you weren't around back then you have no idea what a stunning film this was to us.
I think the only franchise we'd heard of back then was the ORIGINAL Planet of the Apes.
I feel like budget shouldn’t determine the genre of a movie. There are rom-coms (a historically cheap genre, like horror) that costed north of $50 and are still considered rom-coms. I believe Alien Romulus is a horror movie because it’s features graphic violence AND jump scares with body horror.
Yeah, I think the discussion issue is both sides talking past each other. From like, where it goes on my shelf (if I still had a DVD shelf) or where it goes in the movie store shelves, it’s horror.
But I think Grace is talking about Hollywood expectations for monetary performance. “Horror” movies perform way lower with way lower audience scores but are considered successful because they have low expectations. But movies like Alien have the expectations of a franchise/blockbuster movie.
I don't understand her saying it's a horror franchise but not a horror movie? Wtf is the difference
@@txsiimk
Genre vs Production Designation.
The genre is definitely scifi/horror
I think the Aliens franchise was the first real movie video game, in arcades, for years! Furthermore, I'd argue most kids throughout those years, really normalized that "body horror" to the following generations, vice versa. Aliens has astoundingly survived the decades, as a STAPLE of Horror. Yet, it has become something more entirely. 😂
'this ish doesnt scare me' - me, during Romulus
To me, Romulus was waaay more thriller/action, than a horror film.
Every Alien movie is absolutely a horror movie. It’s sci-fi horror, sure, but it’s a freaking horror movie! It’s full of violence and gore and jump scares and everything else. Are the It movies suddenly not classified as horror because they cost $80 million to make??
The Alien horror discussion is dumb it's a R Rated franchise. Comparing Romulus to Kingdom part of a PG-13 franchise with twice the budget is just stupid. Also Grace saying Alien is closer to Jurassic Park which has never had an R Rated installment and also has insane budgets is such a bad comparison. Romulus was a success don't know why Grace is grasping at straws to die on this hill that Romulus was a disappointment financially.
Alien Romulus made 350mill world wide, if we follow the box office formula of the budget x 2.5 .... Romulus made about 30-40 million in profit... that is underperforming.
@@moviesteels7422 she establishes narratives early and then sticks to them. She says all kinds of weird things like this. It's often in reference to certain actors or directors. She will say "they just can't get work". As if she knows what people are being offered, turning down, etc. It's bizarre.
@@andrewdotjames That formula is hardly accurate in many cases and by that metric its assuming Romulus had a marketing budget in near excess its budget. Fede put it between 20-40 mill and closer to lower (it was originally going direct to streaming). Putting profit far above 30-40 million. Again you guys need to find a better hill to die on. The film did fine. Especially considering its getting sequel lol
@@andrewdotjames By these stats Captain America: The First Avenger, X-Men: First Class, and Batman Begins are flops that never should have gotten sequels in the first place (apply the budget x 2.5 rule to those movies) no one’s arguing Romulus is a blockbuster, we’re arguing that it’s hardly “underperforming”
Also hi again I think I commented on another one of ur comments lol
@@andrewdotjames Kingdom made less than $50 million more worldwide on twice the budget and is PG-13. Framing one as a success and one a disappointment just doesn't make sense. I'm not saying Romulus was some huge blockbuster but acting like it was a disappointment especially for a franchise that's never been a huge draw and coming after decades of sequels that were not received well by the general public, Romulus was definitely a success.
The first Terminator and the first Alien are very much horror movies, and categorized as such. They weren’t conceived as franchises at the time but one offs. They only became franchises later on due to their success.
As for Jurassic Park, Spielberg never intended to do a horror movie. That’s another element, the intent of the filmmaker.
And since when the budget determines the genre?
Aliens is a Horror movie
grace...the genre of the alien movies is horror. be serious.
grace: ....no
Not really. It's more sci-fi than horror
@@MsTriangle nope
girl… just cause it has a large budget doesn’t make something not a horror film. i’m sure that IT sequel a few years back was expensive as hell. and definitely considered a horror movie.
I think those two films are quite anomalous, to be fair. The 700 million dollar gross of the first was vastly beyond anything they imagined it to make.
It naturally rendered the second budget to be much larger than average.
@@Yehoshua66 all agreed there. i just think her argument that a genre is tied to a production budget is flawed.
"Franchise" is now a genre according to Grace 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm not speaking for her, but how I took it is; 'business talk' vs 'entertainment talk'.
@@beautye5909 except nobody ever has ever said this until this video
@@beautye5909 even people in the business don't talk like this just grace. and i watch a lot of podcasts with people in the business
@@dylanmcmahon3162 are you surprised? Grace failed to make it in Hollywood and now has to settle for an outsider's perspective basically pretending she knows what she is talking about.
@@edselgreaves6503mh when you dont like her why watching her then?
When did budget start determining genre?
Other way around.
Genre determines how much the studio will give you.
@@WRDend
It’s just a fact that Alien is a horror movie. Grace is just being silly. She says it’s not horror but a franchise, as if there aren’t other horror franchises.
Right! A franchise isn’t a genre. A genre can describe a franchise. She has me crawling on my ceiling right now and that’s true horror.
Right? haha i didn't understand that unique point of view of hers and that 'business perspect' it's pure BS but okay.
Y'all delusional 😂
utterly bizarre alien take and digging her heels in also
of course alien fits in, it's a stalking creature
The first Alien is not only a horror movie, it’s a slasher movie. Follows all the structure and tropes of the slasher genre, they just combined it with a monster movie and set it in space.
The tagline was literally “In space, no one can hear you scream”
you will say anything to make is seem like a horror film, not it is not a horror film. what a joke.
@@BluePrada Ridley Scott himself has said Texas Chainsaw Massacre was one of the films big inspirations and has compared Alien to The Exorcist. Alien is not only a horror movie, but one of the best horror movies of all time.
@@benjihudson2768 that means nothing tf 😭
@@BluePradayou will say anything to not acknowledge that it is lol the first movie is literally a horror movie. Pretending like it isn’t is ludicrous. The second one is more sci-fi action for sure. But anyone trying to say the first alien isn’t a horror either hasn’t seen it or is an idiot.
@@BluePradait is horror. From the monster to the "scream queen' or 'last girl'
My favorite genre “franchise”
A Nightmare On Elm Street isn’t horror either. 9 movies means is a franchise not horror.
A conversation In 1979.
'Hey. Let go see that new movie Alien.'
'Okay, what kind of movie is it?'
'It's a franchise movie.'
'what?'
Grace, Alien is a Sci-fi/ horror franchise
Apparently if your movie becomes a franchise it's not allowed to have a genre lol
@@HisNameWasCrazy and if the box office is $40 million + apparently. By that logic, IT chapter 2 isn’t a horror movie.
@@heiress. Apparently A Quiet Place is also not a horror franchise
Yeah I don't understand her stance on this
She has the most BONKERS takes. I wouldn't necessarily say every Alien movie is a horror movie, but FRANCHISE is not a genre.
Lol Grace said the movie flat out wasn’t that successful when it came out with the numbers and now she’s gradually taking the sting off b/c a sequel got announced and she herself has said sequels don’t get made for movies that don’t garner interest and generate money lol
I remember too how tho she said she loved the movie, which it does seem like that’s true to be fair. But she tweeted a bunch of things lowkey against the film just to kind of spite people who said it was actually doing alright which was against her original word. It seems like the business brain never turns off, and even if she loved a movie, if it’s not doing the most amazing numbers humanly possible, she kinda goes against it somewhat. I remember her first weekend breakdown she even said that it was an awful number. And then she got a lot of flack because that just wasn’t true. And she had to go back and basically say “ok it wasn’t a flop, but it’s not THAT good”. And like you said, now that a sequel is literally happening all of a sudden it’s like “oh well I can see why they’d make one” alright then.
Franchise but not a horror movie?? You can not spend money on horror movies?? This is actually the worst take ever. A movie GENRE is not depicted by how much it cost or how many there are. Horror is a genre!!! Like action, love story, western, etc. maybe expensive horror movies don’t make money, but they are still HORROR movies. SMH
One could argue that Alien is an ACTION movie with horror elements. Hot lady with a big machine gun kills monster... sounds like an action movie to me.
@@andrewdotjames Aliens had the machine guns, Alien just had a flamethrower, not having a gun is one of the points of facing off such a thing (not that they make much difference as we learn in aliens, even less so on a ship in space) they gotta get creative with how to fight this thing and for the first time too. I like Grace but she’s got a weird take on this topic, “Alien is a franchise not horror, not the same as Scream which is a horror”, is Scream not a franchise cuz Scream 6 would beg to differ
@@isaaccrist8642 I agree her use of the word franchise is not appropriate for the first Alien. But it’s an action movie. Just like Jaws, just like Predator, just like Jurassic Park, just like Terminator. A movie can have horror elements but the budget shows us it’s comparable to high budget action movies. It is not a traditional horror movie, therefore it can’t perform like a traditional horror movie.
@@andrewdotjamesbro you’re the only person defending Grace’s dumb take lol quit glazing
@@andrewdotjames jaws is horror so are the alien movies i think actual directors who made said movies would know more then some no body on youtube
Aliens is a horror franchise.
I think the industry saw it as sci-fi action.
Sci-Fi/Horror.
Grace was speaking as if Alien and Apes were disappointments and that she wasn't sure if the directors should get work because they didn't have their "buisness hats" on. Grace has really nonsensical takes- a LOT.
So budget classifies what genre is a movie is now? Hmmmm
I guess Terrifier, friday the 13th, the Exorcist, etc aren't horror movies cause they are part of a franchise 😂
It's franchise horror . That's the new made up genre
Those films were wholly inexpensive. That was her point.
The xenomorph is literally Michael Myers dressed as an alien.
Dear everyone, Glen Powell does not need to be in every single movie. Regards
Everyone here always suggest the same actors and actresses for everything. It’s tiring.
Is it a coincidence that Glen Powell showed up at the dawn of AI?
Idk who that even is
@@Mr.Ian_20XX 😂😂
@@kpsk8031 I think not 👀👀
Alien Romulus is a horror film… in the marketing they used quotes calling it “the best horror film of the year” if Disney Fox didn’t want it to be a horror film or perform like one then who allowed those quotes to be used in promotional material for the film? Also all the trailers were cut like horror trailer not “franchise” trailers 🤣 love you Grace
Grace alien is monster horror! Please just do a bit of research 😭
I think she isn’t aware of all the dark symbolism of the alien’s morphology and lifecycle… extremely dark and horrific.
A bit of research? 😂 please, lady
@@BraidyBrown see people agree
@@mabusestestament it’s pure sci-fi horror always has been, monster alien horror. I think Grace is focusing on budget and the synthetic part of the films 😬
@@antonybeney im sorry lady, but you got it all twisted.
Its a horror film, that is part of a franchise. Using the cost of a movie to define its genre is missguided at best. That would be like saying Titanic is not a love story because it costed several millions...
TITANIC had a love story in it, but studios wouldn't give a large budget for a love story, so it's an EPIC/DISASTER movie.
But yes the genre would be romance.
@@WRDend thank you. it couldn't just be any boat it had to be the Titanic.
@@WRDend it got the money cause it was James Cameron who just pisses gold had little to do with the actually movie
She said “ scream”. Scream is a franchise
@@derekschulte6423 a horror series that has a franchise a "franchise" is not a genre
Alien is horror
shit horror movies then because none of them are scary😂
what horror movie is? 😅@@thedon897
@@thedon897well that's pure nonsense lol
"horror movies are low budget" since when does budget define genre?
Saying that Alien Romulus isn’t a horror film because it’s a franchise is like saying a car isn’t red because it’s a truck.
Cabin in the Woods had a 30 million dollar budget. Also not a horror movie 😂
Lmfao apparently so
The cost of a movie does not determine whether it is a horror movie. A horror movie can be part of a franchise. I don't understand why she thinks a horror movie can't be a franchise. Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, Saw, Scream, Child's Play, Evil Dead Halloween, hell IT had big budgets and those are horror movies and franchises Alien, and Predator are all horror movie franchises. Although Predator has shifted more into action over time, Alien remains primarily sci-fi due to its plot and setting, not its genre. When you have aliens laying eggs in people's bodies and then bursting out, it's definitely horror. That's why they got Fede Álvarez; he is a horror movie director. didn't she go to film school
"Master and Commander was one of the worst movies of 2003."
Grace is very likable and entertaining, but consider this statement when listening to her reviews of new movies your thinking of seeing.
slight note: I believe the statement was it was 'one of the worst movies I have ever seen'... so yeah, consider it.
Budget does not a genre make. Alien is a horror movie. Alien: Romulus is a horror movie. I don’t care how much it cost to make.
You can pig out on your word salad, Grace, but The Conjuring is most definitely a horror franchise. In fact, they've built a whole universe out of those Ed and Lorraine movies. So is Scream. So is The Omen. They are horror movies with many sequels, ergo a franchise. Given that it is possible to build a franchise out of a horror movie, why can't that definition apply to Alien?
because it's not a horror film!!! omg you guys are so dense.
People need to chill and stop cyber mobbing her. Its creepy and sad
@@BraidyBrown I didn't know healthy disagreement constituted cyber mobbing
Grace 😬 was in a mood today .. I think Alien is a horror movie. Example low budget.. makes it a horror sci-fi
Budget does not equate to the classification of a specific genre. Horror movies --REGARDLESS OF BUDGET-are designed to terrify and elicit fear from the audience at large. Alien does that in multitudes. By your rationale you might as well preach to the masses that the world is flat. I like you Grace and what you built in this space, but your reasoning here is fundamentally flawed.
love you Grace, but IT chapter 2 had a $79 million production budget. Does that mean it’s not a horror movie? What exactly is a “franchise movie?”.
I have to add my 2 cents to the convo about Alien Romulus as a horror film. I was around when the first Alien came out and it 98% seen as a horror film. When Alien Romulus trailers first dropped they really pushed F Alvarez as the director and I personally know several people that are not fans of horror movies that avoided it for that reason. Is it part of a franchise, yes but was it considered horror by the general public…mostly yes as well. Also, Jurassic Park was definitely not considered horror because everyone knew the director wouldn’t really go there. 👽
Jurassic Park is quite literally a horror movie
@@Jaycy845 agree to kindly disagree 😊
@@St.Osiris agree to disagree? How is this even a subjective convo? Spielberg purposely laid the horror movie elements on as thick as you can.
@@Jaycy845 It's subjective because the primary intent of Jurassic Park isn't to invoke fear: it's actually quite balanced in that it juggles displaying wonder and excitement *with* terror. Jurassic Park is often viewed as an adventure film first (where characters journey from 'one world' (our dinosaur-less Earth) to 'another world' (a dinosaur-filled island)), then science-fiction (due to tampering with DNA, bringing creatures to life that no longer exist), then thriller. The reason it's often viewed as a thriller rather than a horror is because the horror elements aren't meant to be unsightly, visually disturbing, or psychologically upsetting--instead, the horror elements are meant to create tension, and excitement *mixed* with fear. Thriller aims to keep the audience thrilled, horror aims to leave the audience frightened or disgusted. Jurassic Park doesn't try to upset its audience--all of the 'good' characters successfully make it out alive.
Compare it to, say, Spielberg's Jaws, and we see a horror film that revels in both frightening its audience *and* disgusting its audience (the girl's body on the beach, Quint's death).
Most successful directors started in horror movies first, but we forget where they came from first in the industry. Steven Spielberg Duel, Jaws, Jurassic Park, Peter Jackson - Bad taste, Brain dead Frighteners, James Gunn- Slither, Francis Ford Coppola - Dementia 13, David Fincher- Alien 3, Seven, Danny Boyle -28 Days later, JJ Abrams - Night Breast, James Cameron -Piranha 2, Zack Snyder - the dawn of the dead.
Alien is DEFINITELY horror just because it’s not “slasher horror” doesn’t mean it’s not horror 🤣😂
No other horror franchise can compete with the Aliens franchise, even if it seems that Aliens makes mediocre ROI numbers, to the general public.
@@BraidyBrown 🤣😂🤣🤣 K….. still doesn’t change the fact it’s horror 🤷♂️🤷♂️🥴🥴🥴
The 2010 Wolfman movie cost 150 million is that not a horror movie?
Good point. It also was a huge box office failure. So Grace is right Horror movies should not cost that much. That movie’s budget was a 100 million to much.
@@YaraMay20 "Horror films shouldn't cost that much" is a totally different argument than "That's not a horror film." In fact, to really make the point she's TRYING to make, she needs to admit that Wolfman IS a horror film, because if it is by definition NOT a horror film, then you can't argue that it failed due to being a too-high budget horror film.
Her logic is circular: it's not a horror film, but it failed because horror films shouldn't have that high a budget? Think about that for a little more than 2 seconds
Ppl really take what Grace says, out of context, and cyber mob her. Y'all weird, and suspicious.
Grace, so Halloween isn't horror cause it's a franchise? Scream isn't horror cause it's a franchise? Take the L Grace. Alien is horror.
Last time i checked Horror was genre not a budget line.
43:15 you tell us all the time Grace you have to put on your business hat. It's understandable about how you feel about what happened with Rey but like you just said it's your feelings. At the end of the day the character doesn't have enough fans to make good money in the movie it should probably be a streaming show at the most. Rey Skywalker?!?!?! Cmon. Just because you would like to see Rey done right doesn't mean that "Rey done right" would sell tickets. A good Rey movie is not the path to Star Wars success at this point...IMO
It's called sfi horror
The Rey movie was never ever going to be made.
Move along, move along…
Alien is a horror movie 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Alien is not horror? Dan O'Bannon said it was, but what does he know, he only co-wrote the damn thing.
edit: I can see if you look at it from a business perspective on how to treat it, you can see it as a franchise, but from a storytelling perspective, it definitely is horror in a sci-fi setting.
I just want to point out that the Disney trilogy did not do well because of Kathleen Kennedy. They did well because of brand name and because it was while since we got any. Kennedy has been a disaster
Yes, and the third made a billion less than the first. And Solo cratered.
Sci-fi horror that happens to be a franchise so bigger budget. I still love you Grace :)
Master and Commander is wildly underrated
Yeah, that was the best news in the entire livestream!
Yeah, if Master & Commander is one of the worst movies she's ever seen then I have underestimated how poor her taste in movies is.
Grace gets kinda rude with ppl when they dont agree
Ugh please just cancel this Rey movie all together Lucasfilm 😖 Start fresh!
Apes and Romulus had applause and cheers at both showings. Can’t imagine not moving forward with either franchise.
toxic - tox•ic ‘adjective’ when one doesn’t agree with Grace.
If the female director is not a HUGE action movie fan, they should not hire her. And maybe there are very few female directors that are. Then hire a man and maybe because there was a female lead, it will inspire a girl to become an action director one day. But I think a lot of these female directors say they like action movies just as much as the next guy, but they clearly don't.
Grace: please no spoilers for the recent Alien movie.
1 minute later
Grace answers question after question from chat about specific parts of the ending of the movie.I
😁😁😅😅😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
No interest in seeing the film, but hope others knew to skip this bit of the vid if they have yet to see the film.
Typical Grace, she has no idea what spoilers mean.
If Alien Romulus isn't a horror movie does that mean the IT movies aren't horror either? The second one cost $79m, about the same as Romulus. You can make a movie of any budget in pretty much any genre. Even on D+ Alien 1 and a bunch of the others are classified as Horror/Sci-Fi movies. Theaters and digital streaming services also consider it horror/sci-fi. So it might be an expensive horror movie, but it is a horror film.
Jurassic Park is classified as a Sci-Fi/Adventure PG-13 movie btw.
Both Jurassic and Alien have been saturating in the entertainment industry since their release. Even in the arcades, and no other horror franchise is even close to Aliens footprint in the entertainment sphere. Furthermore, the video game industry is worth more than the movie AND music industries combined. 😂
I can only speak for myself but the Rey character will always alienate me because she’s essentially being given what Luke’s arc should’ve been for sequels which is rebuilding the New Jedi Order. Rey could’ve continued that legacy into a new story or done something completely different but to me it felt like Luke was demoted to Rey can be propped. I like Daisy and she deserved better.
L take about Alien, by the way we need more crossover movies, a Planet of the Apes Vs Alien would be awesome
Alien is a horror film. Everyone agrees.
no they don't actually.
Alien became a franchise only because of the success of the first Alien film, which was a horror film set in space. Its adherence to genre themes etc happened before it got turned into a franchise. Understanding it from a business perspective or a 'fan' perspective is irrelevant as the historical sequence of events is undeniable.
im really surprised by your comment as its not true about Alien franchise. Respectfully to your opinion Grace, I have to disagree with your comment, 100% Alien is definitely a horror genre, especially within the sci-fi horror subgenre. The film’s core elements focus on fear, suspense, and survival against extraterrestrial threats, which are classic horror themes. Genre classification is all about narrative elements, not the production budget, so the horror label holds true regardless of costs involved. The Alien movies stand out for blending horror with a futuristic setting, making them a hallmark of sci-fi horror! As I have studied a degree in film theory. Franchise is a series of work such movie, books comic books and games to either expand on the story, character or the successful plot. Your comments is ill-informed about a film genre ...i get you reference jason blum movies his low production cost. Jaws, IT, Predator, Child's Play(Chucky) are all horror movie with a big budget. monster horror, slasher horror, Supernatural horror, sci-fi horror, body horror, folk horror, psychological horror, Apocalyptic or post apocalypse horror... Are all horror regardless
I really don't understand how Chris Hemsworth keeps getting offered lead roles in blockbusters. He tried to launch so many different franchises but, besides Thor (and Extraction that is a Netflix original so I wouldn'treally count it) he has only had flops. He clearly doesn't get butts in seats.
You'd think he would have gone the way of Jai Courtney by now 😂
My big problem with the Rey movie remains that I don't want to see the sequels acknowledged as canon or elaborated upon in any capacity. They were uninspired, subversive slop that destroyed Luke and ruined Anakin's story arc.
Rey being a weak character and the activist director are just two additional reasons not to care. But I wouldn't have cared anyway. There was nothing they could have done to make me care about this story. It was impossible.
Those sequels made over a billion dollars each and have very very expensive theme parks based off of them. Those sequels aint ever going away
@@Dr.LongMonkey "Those sequels made over a billion dollars each."
The first one made two billion, because fans like myself were fully invested and optimistic back then, but their earnings declined dramatically. I expect that trend to continue.
Kathleen kennedy has ruined her legacy. Yes, whilst in the hollywood bubble, will be known as a legendary producer. But the rest of the world and the general public, she will be remembered as the person who botched / mismanaged star wars follwoing it's acquisition at Disney. More normal / non industry people will know her from that South Park episode , than for work on Indiana Jones, ET etc..
Jesus 36:40 let it go Grace
Most Star Wars Fans are not interested in watching Rey Palpatine succeed at what KK & Lucasfilm forced Luke Skywalker fail at.
That is the fundamental issue. Rey has Three Movies and the ST Box Office dropped by 1 Billion over those movie.
Daisy Ridley may be a good actress but she doesn't drive Box Office.
It won’t get made in the end, don’t worry; I think we all know that by now ;-)
Kennedy is the worst producer in generations
Budget doesn’t dictate genre, GENRE, dictates genre.
Budget dictates itself.
Also Jurassic Park 1 is a horror adventure film, they became action franchises later on.
Diversity should always be about adding people to table not kicking people out. No group is perfect and we should learn from the past, and always try to be kind and better.
Alien is a horror film Grace
This whole conversation around Alien has been so weird when you consider it’s the second highest grossing Alien film. Only Prometheus did more, a bit over $400 million overall but it also cost $50 million more to make.
No matter how you want to look at it Alien Romulus did 2.5 its budget, was critically acclaimed, and showed clear fan interest still existing in the franchise. Why in the world would they not make a sequel?!? I feel like you expect all big movies to make Marvel profits and that has literally never been what this franchise is…
Sharmeen Obaid comes from a world of making documentaries about acid attack victims in Pakistan (oscar winning ones) and she was talking about that in her quote
This quote has been used irresponsibly and with misinformation that she was talking about the Star Wars fandom
Thank you
Grace, u are a sore loser, you can turn things however you want, but the fact that Fede Alvarez and Wes Ball are STAYING shows that we were correct all the time. Both movies made a lot of money for what they are and the marketing was very cheap for the two of them.
Whoah that’s a incredibly wild take on Master and Commander. That’s a exceptional film
Thank you Grace for never shying away from difficult conversations. It’s necessary and a lot of us really value and appreciate that aspect of your coverage.
Robert De Niro went on his typical hyperbole rage when he found out that almost all of is flashback scenes in Joker 2 were cut and plus Joker 3 was canceled!😂
Alien & its resulting franchise is definitely in the horror genre with a sci-fi flavor.
What Disney has done to LucasFilm is so sad 😞
I want a Star Wars movie with a male hero Luke Skywalker style.
I was screaming at the alien genre rant
Lot of stink going on in the comments. Let’s settle it. Directly from Twentieth Century Studios site for both “Aliens” and “Romulus”
Genre:
Horror, Science Fiction, Suspense, Thriller
If the studio can’t tag their own movies genre, then I don’t know who can. I guess movie critics?
👏 Very well said
Does this whole talk about what genre the alien franchise is even matter? Can we as fans just all be excited we’re getting a sequel to one of the best movies of the year? As long as Fede Alvarez makes another movie as good as this last one, people can label it whatever they damn well want 😂😂
I understand where Grace is coming from, but her reasoning is very tunnel vision. Look at Marvel, her examples define everything Marvel pumps out as superhero content, but Agatha isn't, Secret invasion isn't, Wandavision wasn't until the finale, Loki wasn't. Also, what about things that are overbudgeted? I feel that a great deal of arguments Grace makes about "WTF studios are thinking" with some of their decisions further prove that THEY don't follow Grace's definitions thereby bypassing what she says that studio heads follow it. Hell, what is The Acolyte, the studio might say it's star Wars and budget it as such but it doesn't even have space battles.
Master and Commander is a great movie!
I think we’ve had enough Ray, let’s move on.
Of course Alien is a horror movie.
I had to stop watching when Grace said Alien was not a horror franchise.
Me and my brother bonded over Star Wars. I was always a Jedi princess and we would always have lifesavers fights. It was fun. For that Star Wars will always have a place in my heart.
Alien is a horror franchise through and through.
The first Jurassic Park is a horror movie and so it's the first Terminator.
Budget and box office has nothing to do with the genre. Sorry, Grace.
Clearly doesn't know what a horror film is.
Let's take Chinoy's comment and reverse it, for those who don't understand how inflammatory it really was. " Oh, absolutely. I like to make women uncomfortable. I enjoy making women uncomfortable... it is important to be able to look into the eyes of a woman and say, " I am here", and recognize that. And recognize that I am working to bring something that makes you uncomfortable, and it should make you uncomfortable because you need to change your attitude."
Is this what the director of Master and Commander said about women? lol jk
Where's your research, Grace? That quote from the Rey movie director is from EIGHT YEARS AGO!
Imagine a man had said: "I enjoy making women feel uncomfortable." I would not get off the hook because of "years ago" or "different context."
@@fnordiumendures138 But the context IS important in this case, do you even know why she said it?
@@peterm.4355 No one would care why a man had said "I enjoy making women uncomfortable," he would just be kicked to the curb.
And yes, I know why she thinks men deserve to me made uncomfortable.
@@fnordiumendures138 So you realize what's the difference between such words being said by a woman and a man?
@@peterm.4355 Yes, men are, collectively and individually, held responsible for women's collective and individual feelings. Women are free to smugly hate men without repercussions.