So, when is the lecture about the Eighth Ecumenical Council 879-880 (recognized for 200 years by the Latins) that repudiated the Filioque and made this former error a legitimate heresy?
4:23 "If we refuse to accept holy icons, then we do not believe in the incarnation of Jesus Christ." Absolute RUBBISH! Icons have NOTHING to do with the incarnation of our Lord. This is an entirely different gospel from what the apostles taught. We have evidence of artwork in the early church, but there is zero evidence that Christians venerated icons for the first 500 years of the church. The Bible prohibits image veneration (2nd commandment), and the Church Fathers condemn the practice as pagan or gnostic heresy. This is nothing more than baptized idolatry!
Thank you but you are incorrect about the veneration of Icons. It does not violate the commandment against idolatry. Veneration is not worship. Icons are not idols. You can choose to disagree with Icons, but that also means you disagree with the ancient undivided Church. We can and should depict Christ because we have seen Him and His flesh was real. That is the dogmatic purpose of Holy Icons. We have not seen the Father nor the Holy Spirit so they cannot be depicted.
@@StNicholasTarpon "...but that also means you disagree with the ancient undivided Church" You may believe icon veneration was the undivided view of the ancient church, but it is simply not true. The only references I see in the early church about image veneration refer to heretical groups or pagans. I'll show you a few passages from the church fathers to support this. Tertullian "We must not give God any image because He has forbidden us to make any image of Himself. Idolatry consists not only in the worship of images, but also in the making of them.” (On Idolatry, Chapter 4) Clement of Alexandria Works of art cannot then be sacred and divine. (Stromata 7.5 ANF) Lactantius Wherefore it is undoubted that there is no religion wherever there is an image. (The Divine Institutes 2.18-2.19 ANF) Hippolytus And [the Carpocratian heretics] make counterfeit images of Christ, alleging that these were in existence at the time (during which our Lord was on earth, and that they were fashioned) by Pilate. (The Refutation of All Heresies 7.20 ANF) Irenaeus of Lyons “We should not make any image of God, as if He were a man, for we are commanded to worship the invisible God who cannot be depicted.” (Against Heresies, Book 1, Chapter 25) Epiphanius of Salamis “I tore down the image in the church because it is written: 'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.'” (Letter 51 to John of Jerusalem) St. Cyril of Alexandria “He who honors an image is an idolater, for he gives the same honor to the image as to the one it represents.” St. Nilus of Ancyra “If you see an image or a statue, do not bow down to it, for it cannot help you.” (Epistles, Letter 12) I can provide you with more texts from the early church condemning the practice of image veneration, but you get the idea.
False teaching, what a lie, Icons are holy ? " Holy Icons", ultimate oxymoron. Real faith has no need for icons. He should emphasize memorizing the word
Where is the video from the 6th council?
So, when is the lecture about the Eighth Ecumenical Council 879-880 (recognized for 200 years by the Latins) that repudiated the Filioque and made this former error a legitimate heresy?
I don't think there's anything wrong with icons but bowing and praying to them just seems out of place to me
@usdadsasda well I only to my God in heaven
4:23 "If we refuse to accept holy icons, then we do not believe in the incarnation of Jesus Christ."
Absolute RUBBISH! Icons have NOTHING to do with the incarnation of our Lord. This is an entirely different gospel from what the apostles taught.
We have evidence of artwork in the early church, but there is zero evidence that Christians venerated icons for the first 500 years of the church. The Bible prohibits image veneration (2nd commandment), and the Church Fathers condemn the practice as pagan or gnostic heresy.
This is nothing more than baptized idolatry!
Thank you but you are incorrect about the veneration of Icons. It does not violate the commandment against idolatry. Veneration is not worship. Icons are not idols. You can choose to disagree with Icons, but that also means you disagree with the ancient undivided Church. We can and should depict Christ because we have seen Him and His flesh was real. That is the dogmatic purpose of Holy Icons. We have not seen the Father nor the Holy Spirit so they cannot be depicted.
@@StNicholasTarpon "...but that also means you disagree with the ancient undivided Church"
You may believe icon veneration was the undivided view of the ancient church, but it is simply not true. The only references I see in the early church about image veneration refer to heretical groups or pagans. I'll show you a few passages from the church fathers to support this.
Tertullian
"We must not give God any image because He has forbidden us to make any image of Himself. Idolatry consists not only in the worship of images, but also in the making of them.”
(On Idolatry, Chapter 4)
Clement of Alexandria
Works of art cannot then be sacred and divine. (Stromata 7.5 ANF)
Lactantius
Wherefore it is undoubted that there is no religion wherever there is an image. (The Divine Institutes 2.18-2.19 ANF)
Hippolytus
And [the Carpocratian heretics] make counterfeit images of Christ, alleging that these were in existence at the time (during which our Lord was on earth, and that they were fashioned) by Pilate. (The Refutation of All Heresies 7.20 ANF)
Irenaeus of Lyons
“We should not make any image of God, as if He were a man, for we are commanded to worship the invisible God who cannot be depicted.”
(Against Heresies, Book 1, Chapter 25)
Epiphanius of Salamis
“I tore down the image in the church because it is written: 'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.'”
(Letter 51 to John of Jerusalem)
St. Cyril of Alexandria
“He who honors an image is an idolater, for he gives the same honor to the image as to the one it represents.”
St. Nilus of Ancyra
“If you see an image or a statue, do not bow down to it, for it cannot help you.”
(Epistles, Letter 12)
I can provide you with more texts from the early church condemning the practice of image veneration, but you get the idea.
False teaching, what a lie, Icons are holy ? " Holy Icons", ultimate oxymoron. Real faith has no need for icons. He should emphasize memorizing the word