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@@chainringcalf My subaru is up to 180k right now, you literally just have to maintain them and not put boost on stock internals and they're very reliable. I don't understand how people who don't know how to maintain cars ended up determining how people think of subaru.
So glad my grandpa accepted Japanese cars when I was a kid. He loved his first gen CRV that lasted till 350,000 miles and he was ecstatic about when I got my S2000 because he thought they were cool when they came out.
I really only hate on fwd cars😅 most volkswagens, hondas, toyotas, and mitsubishis. Its just wrong wheel drive to me. If i have any type of jdm car it has to drift. If i have american muscle it needs to do a fat burnout and not in the front🤣
My grandpa was a mostly american car dealer his whole life and loved to talk about his old street racing days in his corvette and impala SS or his later foxbody GT but he was still excited when I picked up my AE86 as my first project and later my Cressida. He was always down to talk about whatever I had going on with them. He was a boomer but never close-minded. I just wish he had been able to stick around longer and maybe hit a couple of track days with me.
I think the tuner "hate" is a bit more complicated than the generational gap alone. Yes, import tuner cars were largely seen as unable to compete with big muscle, and were (initially) a threat to the "made in America" movement. I think where that changed was the immersion of stateside manufacturing and the creation of simple, well-engineered powertrains - with plenty of overhead - that were easy to build in the aftermarket. Motors like the B16A, B18C, and others were widely produced and subsequently easier to build over the years. The ongoing "hate" in my opinion comes from the cultural inferences of the tuner generation. Broke kids would get hand-me-down imports from their parents (which were well-built and durable) and flaunt around retirement homes with giant mufflers, open exhausts, and noisy intakes. Bundle that with typical adolescent driving behavior, the behavior that gets unfavorably noticed 99% of the time, and you have the perfect recipe for "hate." These days, the "hate" has evolved. Our generation will forever look down upon Mustangs, G37s, Hellcats, and any other sideshow RWD platform with shoddy bodywork or mismatched bumpers (or none at all).
lmao "g37s, hellcats, and any other sideshow..." could never be more "we know who you're talking about" without involving the demographic directly. add the stretched busa and we're almost there. The part about the B series motors is almost correct. the ugly truth of tuner's future though is that it was made a bit more complicated by the fact that while they were mass produced for a SHORT period of time, a short period of time (all the good motors) it very much was/is. Japan and it's corperations are plagued with "innovation" disease. Basically, it is getting HARDER and harder to modify tuners as they age, when you compare to a chevy 350 small block, you can still buy the whole thing brand new today, updated for 2023 with good tech and none of the bad tech of it's original era (unlike 90s engines for example). We all must face the dreadful nightmare of everything "good" going extinct to the point where it's not economic because fanboys will hoard and inflate the prices of anything good as years go on, while the LS and Smallblock can both be bought new in what seemingly feels like forever. Where's our crate engine brand new 2023 2jz? it doesn't exist. Those are all still 2002 at best, new old stock left on shelves in hoarder warehouses until the supply runs absolutely dry and then that's it. That's without even considering the miscellaneous parts around the engine. The FK8 type R? the GR supra? ya where the hell will those be in 30 years??? nowhere. the Japanese car scene is 100% throwaway by design and the only reason 240zs are still on the road and cars like it is sheer dumb luck and swaps and old tech made out of metal that lasts a while longer than all the modern plastic.
@@Fuffcat you can still buy crate B series and K series, not sure about the 2JZ because never been big on Toyotas but most of the popular Honda engines are still manufactured and companies are constantly still releasing new aftermarket parts for them.
@@Fuffcat you can buy brand new b and k series motors from honda or spoon, they still manufacture them and make new and efficient pats for them. Honda also sell the newer k20c turbo motor as a crate engine. You can also buy a brand new rb26 motor from nissan as well, restarted production in 2019. They might be expensive, but available. But yeah i dont think toyota sells the 2jz or 1jz anymore.
While listening, I was engaged in thinking about the decline of American cars in the 70s and 80s. Then you mentioned it! My dad, a WW11 vet was a car guy his whole life. He built winning stock cars in the late 50s. He was a bit of an engineer, and an inventor, and appreciated what the Japanese were building. He forgot more about cars than most people ever knew. We used to roll our eyes at people who didn't know what they were talking about.
This is FANTASTIC content, Alex. I really love this kind of stuff. I've delt with this plenty because i'm hardcore old-school Toyota now and my old roommate rebuilding a square body is a huge Chevy head, so you see my struggle haha.
On the same note a lot of people who like tuner cars will rag on American builds, and all say the same thing “it’s just a big American boat” regardless of what the car was built to do.
Don’t see a lot of that nowadays huh? Yet the hate is still there. And the other guy is right too. I spent a lot on my exhaust for my integra and it still sounds like shit lol.
I think it really comes down to a few factors that mattered during the time of peak car enthusiast behavior for each respective generation. The best cars for hot rodding in a generation are usually based on: 1)Being plentiful 2) Reasonably affordable based on median/lower half wage 3) Mechanically sound 4) over-engineered for its intended purpose 5) a genuinely fun vehicle to use in both daily drive situations along with spirited driving. Back during the late Boomer/Gen X'er time period, this ended up being American muscle cars. Especially after the 1973 gas crisis, no one wanted the gas guzzler hot rods of the previous decade because they didn't make sense financially, but that was all the relative youth of the time could afford to buy. Then, as time goes on, the aftermarket really comes into play and suddenly they're hot, and all those who held onto these 1960's era performance relics suddenly find themselves in a plethora of performance in the late 80's going into the 90's. In comes the Millenials and Gen Z. By the time we can legally get our hands on and drive any of these fantastic vehicles, they've already been gobbled up by the generations before us that struck while the iron was hot. Suddenly we're looking at a $12,000 price tag on a rusted out late 60's muscle car because these cars hold too much sentimental and/or perceived value by those still holding onto them. Since I'm not interested in overpaying for a shit product, I'm eventually forced to look elsewhere, and in comes the import market, which is suddenly being flooded with absolute steals in comparison. MX-5s, 240sx's, 350Z's, Golf GTI's, third gen Camaros, Civics, STI's, and more. And (at least at a time around 2010-2012), all these cars tick off all the boxes above, and thus appeal to me for the exact same reasons that muscle cars appealed to my father's generation. Add to that the 2000's fast and furious craze, and suddenly muscle cars are looking less and less appealing as the days continue on. As it so happens, I ended up with a clean 1989 Camaro Z-28 that I picked off a dude in rural Paducah, KY nearly 12 years ago. Haven't really done anything major to it yet as motorcycles have since become my arena of play, but plans will ultimately get executed on it in the near future. Yet, even after all this time, I'm still more likely to take a long hard look at an import car meet than I am at a classic/musclecar meet. There's only so many times I can be impressed by the same MSD ignition system, Holley carburetor and aluminum swap cylinder heads.
Summed it up well. I see old dudes charging 8k for a Beat up old fox body stock mustang. I’m like are u on drugs? They consider everything classics. There’s literally no cheap fun out there anymore even though the market should have , there’s isnt
Yeah my Grandma who is quite old has always driven Subaru. She's right next to the ocean and parks on the street so the cars don't last forever, but she drives fast hah.
@@AlexMartini. I was talking about how i was sad that alot of JDM/import cars get a ton of hate at meets near me. He agreed and mentioned our (gone now) 1964 Chevrolet Impala. He would be ripped apart by old farts at meets because he had a set of really nice DUB wheels (i called them "baller style") or a powerglide transmission. In fact, i remember some old guy talking trash about the wheels n stuff like that. But yeah, he agreed with me. If you ask me, i feel like the problem with older folks hating on imports is that they don't understand that what we're doing right now is the equivalent to what they were doing when they were in high school with their cars.
I honestly think it’s a generation difference the boomer’s & older gen x who grew up with hot rods and muscle cars, while millennials & gen z grow up on JDM and tuner cars because those are the cars that we wanted growing that’s why lately we’ve been seeing millennials who are now adults buying up Japanese sports cars from the 90’s it’s the same way we saw baby boomers buying up muscle cars from 60’s and 70’s it just comes down to what you grew up on and that you can buy now
@Jimmy Two Times That depends. Before the implementation of the 25 year rule, if someone was serving in the military in Japan and driving a RHD car, they could bring it back to the US and tag it. So if you developed a love for such cars really early on and lived next to an installation and kept your eyes peeled, you at least had a chance to get a unique car.
The only exception are a lot of Puerto Ricans, my father grew up in PR seeing a lot of import cars, modified as well to be hot rods, the first time he fell in love with one was seeing a Ported RX3 in the 1970s brap along, so it’s not uncommon for us Ricans to have this knowledge and stories passed down, there’s a reason why so many fast rotary’s are built by older people, because they’ve been doing this since their inception.
Yeah, I think this is quite accurate. My Grandpa didn't fall into this xenophobia, but I have distinct memory of when I was learning to drive, going to the convenience store with him in his '99 Camry, and an old guy with a peg-leg coming up and saying "What the hell are you doing teaching your Grandson to drive that Japanese piece of shit?" My Grandpa laughed and we just went on our way. Goes to show that people still harbor these feelings today.
Fart cannons and unpainted body kits is why they get the hate. You don’t really see that happening any more, but after the first and second fast and the furious movie they were everywhere.
@@AaronHendu if you’re talking about our grandparents hate with the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor and taking our jobs, that’s just hating because your parents hated them and parents parents hated them. But most Japanese cars on the road today are actually built right here in the US, while “domestics” are built in Canada or Mexico.
Not the front control arms to the relatively newer Camaros, no idea why Chevy needed to chop them into multiple pieces, it all just looks too flimsy to handle the power that they do. Just my opinion. 😅
@@kalomeon either '10 and up or '16 and up are pretty solid. Mix of monoball and rubber bushes. Had a customer with a ZL1 put a handful of track days at VIR on em before he needed 4 new lowers. Had video of him clipping a race curb at over 120 on a sweeping right
You just have to watch red on that 70 s show. His dream car was a Corvette which he did get for a while , but to his distain he bought a Toyota for the gas milage. What he says about it was something like "last time I was that close to a Japanese machine it was shooting at me"
I will say that not everyone in the older generation of car enthusiasts hates foreign vehicles. I live in California, so I think we're a little more open and accepting than other places. My dad had a little Datsun 510 when he lived in Connecticut that he adored in his youth. My mom (who escaped from the Vietnam War) bought a first gen Acura Integra for her first car. And before that, my grandpa bought and sold a lot of British motorcycles. And my dad's mother is on her second Honda CRV now.
Yeah, I don't think it's as die hard here. My grandma has always owned Chevy pickups and her "going out car" since 2007 has been a Monte Carlo she bought new, until my cousin crashed it. I helped her find a used car in her budget that would be reliable and she was hesitant at first but ended up loving the GS300 we found her. Even my grandpa came around on it and loves it. Now they're out here cruising in their clean little Lexus bumping their Spanish music.
I think empathy is important, and I appreciate this olive branch to older folks. Only a matter of time before I'm right there with em', I hope someone will try to understand when I get there
I'm 30 and my old man does not understand why I sold my mustang years back for a wrx. Each generation has their own things. When my kid grows up i won't have the same lust for electric cars I assume they will have
@@roymcdre9180 there is a big difference between an RC car and something that I can tell you for certain is going to be a lot more regulated than a gas car is now.
@@roymcdre9180 there is a big difference between an RC car and something that I can tell you for certain is going to be a lot more regulated than a gas car is now.
@@cavalierliberty6838 narrow minded thinking. Will they have the mods we have now? Probably not, but who's to day the next form of stance styled cars won't be out and people of an older generation will look at it and not get it or like it. As long as it is a means to travel and teens and young 20s have access to it, there will be modifications.
My grandfather, as a pacific campaign veteran, strictly drove Honda for as long as I could remember. He thought my red 3000gt was the coolest car on earth, but did inform me of their original heritage many times 😂😂
That’s surprising because a lot of my grandpas friends and himself even though he was a WW2 European Campaign Vet when it came to cars didn’t buy Japanese. I remember when my mom got her first Japanese car, a Nissan Sentra and my grandpa while not mad wasn’t thrilled about it. That’s cool though he drove Hondas but I feel like he was a rarity of that generation when it came to car owners.
Hot take: the older generation didn't like us [millenials, genZ, etc whatever titles ya wanna throw in] modifying what we're essentially known to them as foreign economy cars. I believe that lil notion also has a part to play. I still remember my own old man, looking confused at an older civic coupe that eas dressed to the nines. His only words, and not a joke: "why not just buy a corvette?"
I’m with your dad on that one. A Corvette can make a lot more power than any JDM product ever could with very little money. Let’s go to the Le Mans 24 hour race. How many Japanese cars have won Le Mans? ONE! It wasn’t even a production car! It was a Mazda 787B with a rotary engine. How many victories has a Corvette achieved at Le Mans? Eight victories! Now try to tell me what is a better car.
well duh a corvette is a totally different looking ride and can only be wanted by the people who like the looks on them me personally never cared for the looks of them but if i was gonna get one it would be a 58 vette, also the new ones forget about it its a Ferrari with a bow tie on it lol
@@bcdieselsofficial I love a lot of the older Corvettes, specifically the C2, c3 and c5 in that order, but going by the metrics of one prestigious race doesnt show the bottom line. By that notion damn near every euro company is better then them considering they haven't won overall or in their class from what I can see. There's different things different carsare good at. I've seen backyard built Hondas with maybe 2 to 3k put into them walk all over domestic cars drag racing. I've also seen domestic cars, mostly Camaros and mustangs, chase down Porsches and r35's on a road course with seemingly zero effort. The way gas cars are pushed targeted right now we should really be appreciating them all from the stock to the thoughtfully built ones.
@@MidnightMuzic do you wanna see a real drag monster? Get a 6.4 L Powerstroke. They will give even supercars a run for their money. With just a delete and tune, they are capable of running 10’s in the quarter mile. I watched a guy on UA-cam, who claims to have beaten McLarens with his 6.4 L Powerstroke.
@@bcdieselsofficial @B C Diesels Thats cool but again different builds for different reasons. Diesels got the torque advantage so from a dig I expect them to do pretty well on quarter miles but that's all that's about all they've got. There's a reason you don't see many of them at half mile drags often. Theyre still fast but considering that the 1/2 mile record for diesels just barely scrapes past 160 while the lowest records I can find for imports are for an s2000 that ran 199 it just doesn't feel as impressive. I've thankfully been at both speeds and one is fast and the other is terrifying. I also don't really care for drag racing unless it's roll racing or 1/2 drags anyway. I personally enjoy racing on road courses and back roads in slower cars to become a faster driver in general. Its funny watching people in more expensive cars struggle to shake a slower car with a better driver off their bumper to me.
This depends on the people themselves muscle cars are big in my family, I grew up in the 80s and started falling in love with jdm cars. My dad's first jdm car was a mazda rx-1he loved that car until he had to rebuild the engine twice. I got my second Acura Integra and did a h22 swap fully built and a good street tune on it making 240 to the ground.when I gave my dad and a few muscle car friends of mine rides they where blown away how much fun it was to drive, one of my favorites was one of my friends always said ya but American muscle will beat you in a race he hade a 2000 ford Mustang gt the best part about it was when I took him down with my Integra and to this day he still doesn't like it when I bring that up in a conversation. good times JDM all day
Nothing is better than seeing a skyline with a crazy inline six cylinder engine turbocharged roaring down a street,or a supra with a 2jz turbocharged inline six cylinder engine blasting these v8 muscle cars into oblivion!
I feel like the "buy american to support the local economy" thing always had a bit of dishonestly to it because the biggest audiences for stuff like the F150 and charger were also enthusiastically destroying American labor rights over the last 60 years. A large part of the reason Americans started moving towards these Japanese brands was because stagnated wages meant you have to choose the practical option over just acting out cultural loyalty.
that and the American car manufacturers in the 70s were making straight TRASH that would fall apart the second you paid it off and was always breaking down. There is a LOT of people in their late 50s and 60s that haven't bought a domestic brand car because they got BURNED and lost their shirt on a crappy Ford, Chevy etc back than.
I had a 1986 Fleetwood Brougham de'Elegance. PHAT AF to drive around. The interior was really cheaply made as it loved to fall apart and the Olds' 307 was nowhere near enough. But the body, chassis, etc were SOLID. Wish I still had it with an LSX under the hood!
I think the "support the local economy" angle is a lot stronger than most young people give it credit for. I worked in a city that was home to a major GM plant that shut down shortly before I moved there. Even still, the number of GM cars on the roads there is crazy disproportionate compared to the rest of the country. When our company bought our first Camry to replace the old Malibu company car, that was a major shock to a good chunk of the company. How could you expect to win local projects if you're not going to keep that money going back to local workers? Japanese cars are better, sure, but they're the selfish choice in some people's eyes.
The catch is Supply and Demand, if some people want slick, nimble, fuel efficient and most importantly, reliable cars and the Japanese, Koreans are offering them, it's on the American car manufacturers heads that fail to provide cars with those qualities at an affordable price. Nowadays things have evened out, but back then not so much.
@@palindinX Yeah, the whole "Made in America" has turned into a gimmick where it supposedly is a legitimate excuse to make subpar products. I would look at it in a different way. I always question why someone would buy more expensive, less reliable cars. I get it if it's a sports car, or niche model, but if you're getting a grocery getter that is less reliable and costs more...question your intelligence.
You mean they wanted you to buy a “domestic” that was built in Mexico or Canada by the same company who closed down their US factory, instead of some “import” that was built in Kentucky by actual American workers?
I love my 4th Gen Camaro. It's got just enough "modern 90s" in it for it to be interesting, handles pretty good, AND has a small block Chevy V8 that happily revs to 6900. Nice.
As someone who was a teenager in the mid-'80's in Cleveland... there was a lot of shade thrown if you were driving something other than American. Back then was a very different time, though... you had very easy access to a lot of cars that people dream of nowadays. It was nothing to go out and get a late 60's/early 70's Chevelle, Nova, or Camaro for a couple hundred bucks, you could practically rebuild a 350 from K-Mart, and the J.C. Whitney catalog was like the Toy-R-Us for teenagers.
I've seen a weird mini version of this in the VW scene, air cooled VW people and water cooled VW people have such a weird relationship. like we're into the same brand but we have a huge rivalry with each other cuz the older VW enthusiasts are into the air cooled stuff and the young people like me are into the water cooled stuff and the divide is the reason H2Oi was founded cuz the air cooled guys didn't want water cooled VWs "cluttering up their shows"
Check this out when I was a kid my uncle raced and bought mostly American cars back in the early eighties but my aunts bought Japanese cars mostly which thanks to my aunt eggy who owned a early eighties Datsun Z oh, which introduced me to Japanese automotives which fueled my love for Japanese cars to this day! Not a great deal of African American families in my area had a love for automobiles like mine did back in the day.
I think it's not just tuner cars, it's anything newer than 1972. I attend a lot of local shows in my 89 mustang and most of those geezers won't even look my way. The funny part is half of them have a 5.0 retro-swapped car. My old vw bug on the other hand gets too much attention for me to handle.
I think he covered the main points... older generations really kept with their national pride, outdated view that Japanese cars were just cheap little aluminum piles of junk, etc. I was fortunate enough that my dad experienced the 70's and 80's reliable fun of Japanese cars and didn't push me to stick with what he'd driven in high school. To be fair though he did tease me that no matter how zippy my first S2000 was (bolt on stock), it'd never be able to lift the front wheels off the ground like his old supercharged V8's of yore.
As someone who has owned both tuner and Muscle cars, and euro cars I've found the muscle cars are the easiest and cheapest to own, more reliable, don't have a bunch of stupid sensors and garbage to go wrong. There's like three wires going to the engine on a 60's Ford. Although you do need to have a certain level of finesse to own one, setting timing on a points distributor is a lot harder then replacing a coil pack but somehow more rewarding.
"Rice rockets" lol. Well since you said it first, I never really jived well with the kids in my younger years who'd see a Fast And Furious movie, put a tacky wing on a Honda Civic, think they had a race car, and then neutral drop and spin out at a stoplight. 😂
Even before you hit that Ohio story, I was already thinking of the "Maibotsu Thunder" radio commercials from GTA Vice City. 🤣 I emphasize with that, and hate to not support local manufacturing, but in that era, Japanese made cars are truly special creations.
I can relate to this heavy. Coming from the Motor City, a lot of the older generation has a HUGE love for American Muscle. But it makes sense since they literally built the cars they were driving. Whenever we talk about cars and I bring up JDM cars, My grandad always has to praise American cars first and foremost but I still love it.
Honestly there's a lot of different answers to this question. From what you touched on with patriotism, the muscle car era, civics with fart cans, etc. I also think a lot of it is what they thought was cool when they were growing up too. My dad had me late but he grew up in the muscle car era so he always had a soft spot for the big blocks (Didn't know or care too much for tuners). My first car was an RX8 and my dad was scratching his head wondering why I'd want one. Then he actually drove it and in like 30 seconds he was giggling and having fun ripping it like he was in his 20s. Basically it's a bit of everything but car guy to car guy they'd understand how fun they are if they actually drove em
You're totally correct. My grandpa was the same way and he served in WW2. Could never buy anything other than American cause it was like buying from the enemy
Xennial Mechanic here. It was my generation that was learning to drive when The fast and the furious came out, we loved and worshipped tuners then and mostly now, most people have forgotten the first civic to run 10 secs wasnt naturally a fast car or built for the long run, it was built cheap and for mpg during the oil crisis area. The 70s were mostly about luxury and soft ride cars they made large engines for most cars but usually to compensate the added weight of the cars (not really bad cars just different style). Detroit made used to mean something most of our American made vehicles came from detroit and they used to be built tough. Some of the detroit made cars are still around provided the owners kept them from rusting. Cars nowadays are built abroad cheap because safety/quality standards in other countries and even here in the states the quality for autoparts is horrendous. New parts are built cheaply (lesser quality) and some come broken especially electronic components SO, in conclusion, older american cars are something to be proud of owning and less of a headache. If you want a reliable car salvage and restore an old american made car or buy a toyota (toyota/Lexus are the only companies that really care for quality now).
It's because how loud they are and that so many people put shitty exhausts on their cars. I have a 1965 plymouth with a 440. Every old person i take it around says it needs better mufflers because how loud it is, but they typically still like the car because it brings back memories when they were racing similar cars. When they think of jdm, they see all the loud, none of the cool
My first car was a 1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT non-turbo. Alex, did you ever get someone who commented about your car saying something like "Mitsubishi shot my grandfather's plane down"?
I'm over 67 and love my tuned 800 WHP GT-R. I just had a roll cage installed and plan on doing a few HPDE classes this summer. I have a GR Corolla on order for my every day driver and winter car. Just saying.
My WW2 era grandparents didn’t care too much for Japanese cars but thought Toyotas were alright, my dad grew up tuning air cooled vws and harleys, And I mostly focus on rat rods of any kind. The hype tax on the Beat is real I can say that much about it.
What I don't get is why younger JDM enthusiasts give me this Funny look when I tell them my favorite jdm cars are all classics MK1 Celicas, RX-3, Mk Cosmo, R-100, Corolla SR5, 240Z, Gallant GTO,ect. Idk I prefer the small American Muscle Car look with the Small engines. I feel like younger JDM enthusiasts don't have a appreciation for the Classic jdm cars that Paved the road for there Modern Cars
So. Funny that you cover this. When I was an undergrad, studying for my anthropology major, I needed a topic for my senior thesis. I had already had a stink in Japan, so I had some good data from there. So, as a gear head at the turn of the century, I decided to cover our own car scene. The interesting part about writing this piece was when I hit the urban / rural distinction. I recommend reading dick hebdige's book 'Subcultures' for an overview on what that means, then you can apply it to the car world. I think you will find this topic very interesting.
I'm a high schooler, and I don't really care about this JDM and European car craze. It boils down to personal preference. I'm the kind of person that doesn't like risky stuff, so I naturally don't care about speed or horsepower. What I DO care about is styling and aesthetics. In my personal opinion, there is just something special about American cars! The chrome, the body lines, the intricate designs on the wheel covers, crazy two-tone color scheme, low and wide stance, the excessive tumblehome, everything about it I just cannot resist! And cherry on top, the simplicity and noise of a carbureted V8 adds a hint of youth to this overall mature design language. Not all people are speed demons, some people just like to appreciate transportation. And my kind of transportation is a good ol American land yacht.
It's truly ironic when you think about how so many Japanese badges today have domestic factories and production, and the Big 3 are outsourcing production to Mexico and Canada (more so than they did 2 decades ago).
Tbh I actually got more compliments from old people then people my age(28). A lot of kids love my cars tho. Just wanted to build the car I dreamed and played games like nfs as a kid. Something I couldn’t do when I was younger but can now💯 Honda civic em2 and cooper r50
I think there is couple reasons: 1. Pride. Most older people, especially in the US want US made cars like a corvette. Nowadays Asian and Europe cars are quite popular due to advanced technology and more access to them. 2. They are loud. This is all preference, but some old people hate new tuner sounds. 3. The Generation itself. I just think some people hate the newer generation for modifying their “normals”. New clothings, such as crop tops, new cars and EVs, and new everything in general. Trends have changed
I love a range of things, mainly 50's American land barges (I have a 59 dodge custom royal), and also 60's and 70's American, but mainly our Aussie muscle cars! But I also love anything older jdm thru til late 90's jdm... But godddamnit, I can't stand hearing a damn stock subie with a fart cannon! Makes me want to blow my brains out lol😅 also, was nice to see you add some Aussie drag clips too!!!
In the 1970's Chevrolet made a Documentary that basically said "Pls don't buy jdm buy american because you are American" That's how dire the american car industry was in the 70's, they are literally BEGGING you to buy their cars
I parked my S13 on the street, and stayed inside it talking to my boyfriend. The guy from the house ACROSS THE STREET kept staring, taking pictures and eventually told me to “keep moving buddy.” Love that from these fucking suburbanites
It's funny, the boomers around me are in their 50s now are raving about tuner cars. Gotta remember that the 90s was 30 something years ago. So those 18-20 something dudes in the 90s are now in their 50s buying up 90s JDMS and here in the UK and Europe particularly the 80s-90s hot hatches.
I had a conversation to a friend of my stepdad’s about why I got a Golf GTI, instead of an ep3 honda that he got when he was my age. It’s like, well your car is what my car cost in your day, now it’s luxury car money. Times change
It's weird that when I ride with my brother in a FK8 Type R, it almost always the gray hair old people give that car a praise. One time right after he parked the car in a parking lot, the white hair old lady next to us rolled down her window yell "Your car looks so gooood!" with her old lady voice. That was so funny.
I rigged up an old plexiglass cylinder full of rice and a valve handle in the trunk of my 240 to look like a NOS bottle kind of. Had braided hoses and everything. Drove my stepdad insane.
I'm from Trinidad, we don't produce any cars, so we don't have a particular affinity for any manufacturer, so anything goes here. However, I've been to the US, my parents have been to Germany and Japan, and I've been to Italy, in terms of boomer mentality toward cars, every single automotive producing country has the same people. In Italy, you drive an Italian car, doesn't matter if it's a 500 like literally every single other person, you drive an Italian car. My dad said the same thing was true in Germany and Japan, and it's the same in the US. I don't blame them, I get it, they're proud of their homeland and of their accomplishments, and you buying someone else's product says that their accomplishments aren't good enough, or worse yet, you don't respect their accomplishments, and by extension, their homeland. I can understand how some of them think you're anti American for buying anything but American, however, what I'd say to them, "American cheese is worse than Italian". It doesn't mean America should stop trying, it means I'm looking for the best, and we need to work harder to get there. Instead of getting angry that they're making a better product than us, why don't we just make a better product? What's stopping us, aren't we the best?
Make no mistake, racism often plays a large role in why a lot of people shun the Japanese tuner segment. I grew up around a lot of it in the 80s and 90s when names like Honda Toyota and Nissan were emerging then basically crushed the American small car market.
Honestly I don't blame the hate that old guys have on tuner cars and JDM cars. I'm only about 18 years old and I would still much rather have the kind of cars that the older generations of people would have, especially American and European classic cars. I hate the way a Japanese tuner with a fart can sounds.
Another factor in this (specific to the Corvette - and I own one) is that it is an 'aspirational car' in marketing terminology that people want for years and years and buy later in life after the kids are gone and the house is paid off, or close to paid off. It's not really a parallel comparison to tuner cars. Also, years ago, there were very few imported cars in the US until the late 1960s and 1970s, and the imports were either reliable economy cars or "highly exotic" Jaguars that only the wealthy would own. The availability of more import car brands in the modern day kind of changes the equation, too. Young people will be aware of all the new choices and older people won't. Back in the 1950s and 60s, as the US was coming out of the post-War years (NO new cars were made during WWII - that's something interesting to consider) the only option for customizable sports cars was to take an old 1920s and 30s 2-seater car and hack off the heavier parts, drop the suspension and put a larger engine into it - and that's how the T-Buckets, Deuce Coupes and Jalopies came to be. Those were the sports cars of the day for the average person until the Corvette came out in 1953 and the Thunderbird came out in 1955. There were sport-y cars back then, like a Chevy with an optional larger engine, but no real dedicated sports cars, and frankly, until the Highway Act of 1956 came out, there may not have been many faster highways to take them on, anyway, except for main streets and country roads.
I think you have a good point with the drag racing -- American motorsport and hot rodding is much tied to drag racing and oval track racing and that influenced everything about our domestic performance cars - mostly NA V8s, RWD, solid rear axle, automatic transmission, soft suspension for weight transfer, all about going a straight 1/4 mile from a dig and nothing else. I don't think there's so much a threat of foreign cars invading drag racing because for the most part there's just not a lot of them that compete in the same classes, but the import sports car is just so antithetical to everything about straight line drag racing. Of course there are exceptions but the overall trend is clear
I had a History/Economics teacher who said she would never support Mitsubishi because they produced the Zero planes that attacked Pearl Harbor. On the other hand, my grandfather served in WW2, 10th Mountain Division Ski Troops, fighting in the Swiss and Italian Alps. He was primarily a Chevy man, but he did purchase a Honda Accord before he passed away. He liked my first car, a Toyota. I can't help but wonder now if he would disapprove of my buying an Italian or German automobile.
I get where your grandpa is coming from, and it bums me out a little when I think about it, but the reality is that a lot of modern “American” cars aren’t built with the greatest quality and many of them are built in Mexico and in Canada. Not that I feel any animosity or hate towards our neighbors, but if we’re going to buy American for the sake of American pride, it better be built bulletproof and built here too like they were back in the days.
Depends on what you mean by old. I started with muscle cars, and slowly transitioned to tuner cars. Now at 48 yrs old I'm building my 04 Acura TSX. Custom made intake, header, no cat, 3 inch exhaust, Flowmaster out back. Almost 6k in suspension work, and I really don't care what people think about me or my car. Hondata with an 07 ECU is ready to go in, turbo kit, 1000cc injectors, high flow fuel pump, Trans cooler, gutting the car, and the list continues. It's in my blood man and I won't stop playing with cars till the day I die.
A lot of these old manufacturers just like the ones here in the states was weaponized ego Mitsubishi zero a national pride that's why my Honda was built right here in the United States
Few people (me included) drive modified Japanese cars in my neighbourhood yet none of the oldies dislike us, if anything we are seen as the cool car people that help out when someone has an issue with their car. We keep the revs and speed low when in the neighbourhood and try to keep the midnight cold starts to a minimum lol. It’s all about how you act, not just the cars themselves.
Nah man the e46 is the best car ever. Until you rip the rear end out by accident and the oil filter housing starts leaking all over your alternator, or the plastic expansion tank ruptures, or the engine ever over heats a single time rendering pretty much junk. But man when they are running right they are a freaking treat
Haha so true- lots of RTV+clean the hell out of the mating surface on the oil filter housing, replace the platic expansion tank with a metal, weld/upgrade the oil pump nut on the 330, tune the ECU to give you more feedback on a possible overheat condition+auto stop the engine after a certain temp, and weld some plates into the subframe mount area+some tubing that goes from strut tower to mount points, and you've got yourself a reliable as hell great car. Oh and replace the window regulator too. Source: own 2 E46, and want to turbo the 330.
@@ThatOneCatNyx I forgot about the window regulators lmao my list was just what i encountered so far lol im about to build an m54b30 and swap it into my e46 328. im keeping the mechanical throttle tho and am defintely slapping a tubo on it. are you on the e46 fanatics forum?
Not all of us. I guess I'm "old people" now, since I'm 53, but I don't hate tuners. I drive a modded Veloster Turbo, complete w/catback, bov, and tune.
I'm getting old, if I hated tuner cars, it would be because of the noise. One of my neighbors, starting around 10 pm and going until 4 am or so, every half hour or so, starts up his incredibly loud Audi. He revs it for several minutes, then drives it around the block a few times, does a donut or two, then parks. Then does it all over again a few minutes later. I hate that car more than you could imagine. He's got it tuned so that it back fires literally every time he takes his foot of the gas.
I guess I never saw this growing up, so I cannot say to much about it. I was born and raised in Evansville, IN. And just half an hour north, there is a Toyota manufacturing plant. I grew up where most people drove either a Toyota, because they had a relative who could get an employee discount, or they had a pickup. I have been told that my parents bought an 2003 Avalon right before I was born so they could have something practical, as my Dad has a S10 (I think) and my mother had a Saturn SC1. Now the cars where are live have diversified, still mainly econoboxes, but less Toyota. What really makes me sad is that my mother has never had an interest in cars. Her father used to have a 2ng gen Civic wagon and an FC3S. Both of those cars were sold way before I was born, but I wonder how my life would have changed if she had those.
For me it's strictly about the exhaust. Loved my Celica Supra but there's something about the bass of an open header big block that makes your chest vibrate.
My dad had both sides of the spectrum. His first car was a 57 bel air that he turned into a drag car, his second was a 65’ gto, and his third was a 1969 charger r/t and then when the 80s came around he decided to try the Japanese cars so he got the 1982 Rx-7 and he liked that car and then he got a mk-3 Supra and he really liked that car but he always says that he loved that old 1969 charger the best and if he could have any car again it would be that
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I actually know a ww2 vet that is 99 years old and he drives a Subaru. He's still sharp and drives at 99. truly amazing
Must make him feel young knowing he'll probably outlast his engine
Wait, drives at 99 years old or drives at 99 mph?🤔
@@5Ci0N dont be dumb. first of all no 99 year old drives on public roads.
@@5Ci0N Probably both lol he puts his foot down
@@chainringcalf My subaru is up to 180k right now, you literally just have to maintain them and not put boost on stock internals and they're very reliable. I don't understand how people who don't know how to maintain cars ended up determining how people think of subaru.
So glad my grandpa accepted Japanese cars when I was a kid. He loved his first gen CRV that lasted till 350,000 miles and he was ecstatic about when I got my S2000 because he thought they were cool when they came out.
Japan is have conservative values, so more related to older people than United States (which degraded into woke lunacy)
Well the s2000 is actually a cool car. Its not an accord with no muffler💀
I really only hate on fwd cars😅 most volkswagens, hondas, toyotas, and mitsubishis. Its just wrong wheel drive to me. If i have any type of jdm car it has to drift. If i have american muscle it needs to do a fat burnout and not in the front🤣
My grandpa was a mostly american car dealer his whole life and loved to talk about his old street racing days in his corvette and impala SS or his later foxbody GT but he was still excited when I picked up my AE86 as my first project and later my Cressida. He was always down to talk about whatever I had going on with them. He was a boomer but never close-minded. I just wish he had been able to stick around longer and maybe hit a couple of track days with me.
I think the tuner "hate" is a bit more complicated than the generational gap alone. Yes, import tuner cars were largely seen as unable to compete with big muscle, and were (initially) a threat to the "made in America" movement. I think where that changed was the immersion of stateside manufacturing and the creation of simple, well-engineered powertrains - with plenty of overhead - that were easy to build in the aftermarket. Motors like the B16A, B18C, and others were widely produced and subsequently easier to build over the years.
The ongoing "hate" in my opinion comes from the cultural inferences of the tuner generation. Broke kids would get hand-me-down imports from their parents (which were well-built and durable) and flaunt around retirement homes with giant mufflers, open exhausts, and noisy intakes. Bundle that with typical adolescent driving behavior, the behavior that gets unfavorably noticed 99% of the time, and you have the perfect recipe for "hate."
These days, the "hate" has evolved. Our generation will forever look down upon Mustangs, G37s, Hellcats, and any other sideshow RWD platform with shoddy bodywork or mismatched bumpers (or none at all).
lmao "g37s, hellcats, and any other sideshow..." could never be more "we know who you're talking about" without involving the demographic directly. add the stretched busa and we're almost there. The part about the B series motors is almost correct. the ugly truth of tuner's future though is that it was made a bit more complicated by the fact that while they were mass produced for a SHORT period of time, a short period of time (all the good motors) it very much was/is. Japan and it's corperations are plagued with "innovation" disease. Basically, it is getting HARDER and harder to modify tuners as they age, when you compare to a chevy 350 small block, you can still buy the whole thing brand new today, updated for 2023 with good tech and none of the bad tech of it's original era (unlike 90s engines for example). We all must face the dreadful nightmare of everything "good" going extinct to the point where it's not economic because fanboys will hoard and inflate the prices of anything good as years go on, while the LS and Smallblock can both be bought new in what seemingly feels like forever. Where's our crate engine brand new 2023 2jz? it doesn't exist. Those are all still 2002 at best, new old stock left on shelves in hoarder warehouses until the supply runs absolutely dry and then that's it. That's without even considering the miscellaneous parts around the engine. The FK8 type R? the GR supra? ya where the hell will those be in 30 years??? nowhere. the Japanese car scene is 100% throwaway by design and the only reason 240zs are still on the road and cars like it is sheer dumb luck and swaps and old tech made out of metal that lasts a while longer than all the modern plastic.
U mean Karen hate tuner car
@@Fuffcat you can still buy crate B series and K series, not sure about the 2JZ because never been big on Toyotas but most of the popular Honda engines are still manufactured and companies are constantly still releasing new aftermarket parts for them.
@@noahkneeland3602 in what world lol.
@@Fuffcat you can buy brand new b and k series motors from honda or spoon, they still manufacture them and make new and efficient pats for them. Honda also sell the newer k20c turbo motor as a crate engine. You can also buy a brand new rb26 motor from nissan as well, restarted production in 2019. They might be expensive, but available. But yeah i dont think toyota sells the 2jz or 1jz anymore.
While listening, I was engaged in thinking about the decline of American cars in the 70s and 80s.
Then you mentioned it! My dad, a WW11 vet was a car guy his whole life. He built winning stock cars in the late 50s. He was a bit of an engineer, and an inventor, and appreciated what the Japanese were building. He forgot more about cars than most people ever knew. We used to roll our eyes at people who didn't know what they were talking about.
This is FANTASTIC content, Alex. I really love this kind of stuff.
I've delt with this plenty because i'm hardcore old-school Toyota now and my old roommate rebuilding a square body is a huge Chevy head, so you see my struggle haha.
On the same note a lot of people who like tuner cars will rag on American builds, and all say the same thing “it’s just a big American boat” regardless of what the car was built to do.
Imo they're even worse than the boomers that hate imports
Agreed, I was one of those people until I got older lol
@@fa1_z same here
that's usually leveled at Mopar. and they are boats and almost never even modified, they're all on loan
Old people actually hate tuner cars because of the kids that attach a fart can on their car lol
Most 4 cylinders just sound bad with an exhaust. Old people just attribute it to a fart can. It's just how they sound with a free flowing exhaust haha
Don’t see a lot of that nowadays huh? Yet the hate is still there. And the other guy is right too. I spent a lot on my exhaust for my integra and it still sounds like shit lol.
You'd think but no, they literally shit talk 1000hp builds
@@Maroco918 cap my subie sounds phenomenal
@@gabesimon7218 subies don't count, you know this. They're different.
I think it really comes down to a few factors that mattered during the time of peak car enthusiast behavior for each respective generation.
The best cars for hot rodding in a generation are usually based on:
1)Being plentiful
2) Reasonably affordable based on median/lower half wage
3) Mechanically sound
4) over-engineered for its intended purpose
5) a genuinely fun vehicle to use in both daily drive situations along with spirited driving.
Back during the late Boomer/Gen X'er time period, this ended up being American muscle cars. Especially after the 1973 gas crisis, no one wanted the gas guzzler hot rods of the previous decade because they didn't make sense financially, but that was all the relative youth of the time could afford to buy. Then, as time goes on, the aftermarket really comes into play and suddenly they're hot, and all those who held onto these 1960's era performance relics suddenly find themselves in a plethora of performance in the late 80's going into the 90's.
In comes the Millenials and Gen Z. By the time we can legally get our hands on and drive any of these fantastic vehicles, they've already been gobbled up by the generations before us that struck while the iron was hot. Suddenly we're looking at a $12,000 price tag on a rusted out late 60's muscle car because these cars hold too much sentimental and/or perceived value by those still holding onto them. Since I'm not interested in overpaying for a shit product, I'm eventually forced to look elsewhere, and in comes the import market, which is suddenly being flooded with absolute steals in comparison. MX-5s, 240sx's, 350Z's, Golf GTI's, third gen Camaros, Civics, STI's, and more. And (at least at a time around 2010-2012), all these cars tick off all the boxes above, and thus appeal to me for the exact same reasons that muscle cars appealed to my father's generation. Add to that the 2000's fast and furious craze, and suddenly muscle cars are looking less and less appealing as the days continue on.
As it so happens, I ended up with a clean 1989 Camaro Z-28 that I picked off a dude in rural Paducah, KY nearly 12 years ago. Haven't really done anything major to it yet as motorcycles have since become my arena of play, but plans will ultimately get executed on it in the near future. Yet, even after all this time, I'm still more likely to take a long hard look at an import car meet than I am at a classic/musclecar meet. There's only so many times I can be impressed by the same MSD ignition system, Holley carburetor and aluminum swap cylinder heads.
Summed it up well. I see old dudes charging 8k for a Beat up old fox body stock mustang. I’m like are u on drugs? They consider everything classics. There’s literally no cheap fun out there anymore even though the market should have , there’s isnt
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Yeah my Grandma who is quite old has always driven Subaru. She's right next to the ocean and parks on the street so the cars don't last forever, but she drives fast hah.
i was literally talking to my dad about this yesterday. glad somebody is talking about this topic.
What did your dad think?
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@@AlexMartini. I was talking about how i was sad that alot of JDM/import cars get a ton of hate at meets near me. He agreed and mentioned our (gone now) 1964 Chevrolet Impala. He would be ripped apart by old farts at meets because he had a set of really nice DUB wheels (i called them "baller style") or a powerglide transmission. In fact, i remember some old guy talking trash about the wheels n stuff like that. But yeah, he agreed with me. If you ask me, i feel like the problem with older folks hating on imports is that they don't understand that what we're doing right now is the equivalent to what they were doing when they were in high school with their cars.
I honestly think it’s a generation difference the boomer’s & older gen x who grew up with hot rods and muscle cars, while millennials & gen z grow up on JDM and tuner cars because those are the cars that we wanted growing that’s why lately we’ve been seeing millennials who are now adults buying up Japanese sports cars from the 90’s it’s the same way we saw baby boomers buying up muscle cars from 60’s and 70’s it just comes down to what you grew up on and that you can buy now
@Jimmy Two Times That depends. Before the implementation of the 25 year rule, if someone was serving in the military in Japan and driving a RHD car, they could bring it back to the US and tag it. So if you developed a love for such cars really early on and lived next to an installation and kept your eyes peeled, you at least had a chance to get a unique car.
The only exception are a lot of Puerto Ricans, my father grew up in PR seeing a lot of import cars, modified as well to be hot rods, the first time he fell in love with one was seeing a Ported RX3 in the 1970s brap along, so it’s not uncommon for us Ricans to have this knowledge and stories passed down, there’s a reason why so many fast rotary’s are built by older people, because they’ve been doing this since their inception.
Yeah, I think this is quite accurate. My Grandpa didn't fall into this xenophobia, but I have distinct memory of when I was learning to drive, going to the convenience store with him in his '99 Camry, and an old guy with a peg-leg coming up and saying "What the hell are you doing teaching your Grandson to drive that Japanese piece of shit?" My Grandpa laughed and we just went on our way. Goes to show that people still harbor these feelings today.
Fart cannons and unpainted body kits is why they get the hate. You don’t really see that happening any more, but after the first and second fast and the furious movie they were everywhere.
The hate came far before both those things....but sure.
@@AaronHendu if you’re talking about our grandparents hate with the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor and taking our jobs, that’s just hating because your parents hated them and parents parents hated them. But most Japanese cars on the road today are actually built right here in the US, while “domestics” are built in Canada or Mexico.
Every new body style Camaro comes with a beautifully sorted suspension. Love the handling, on rails. Just claustrophobic af in there
Not the front control arms to the relatively newer Camaros, no idea why Chevy needed to chop them into multiple pieces, it all just looks too flimsy to handle the power that they do. Just my opinion. 😅
@@kalomeon cost cutting probably
@@kalomeon either '10 and up or '16 and up are pretty solid. Mix of monoball and rubber bushes. Had a customer with a ZL1 put a handful of track days at VIR on em before he needed 4 new lowers. Had video of him clipping a race curb at over 120 on a sweeping right
You just have to watch red on that 70 s show. His dream car was a Corvette which he did get for a while , but to his distain he bought a Toyota for the gas milage. What he says about it was something like "last time I was that close to a Japanese machine it was shooting at me"
I will say that not everyone in the older generation of car enthusiasts hates foreign vehicles. I live in California, so I think we're a little more open and accepting than other places. My dad had a little Datsun 510 when he lived in Connecticut that he adored in his youth. My mom (who escaped from the Vietnam War) bought a first gen Acura Integra for her first car. And before that, my grandpa bought and sold a lot of British motorcycles. And my dad's mother is on her second Honda CRV now.
Dude, your Mom ecaped Vietnam? That's cool!
Yeah, I don't think it's as die hard here. My grandma has always owned Chevy pickups and her "going out car" since 2007 has been a Monte Carlo she bought new, until my cousin crashed it. I helped her find a used car in her budget that would be reliable and she was hesitant at first but ended up loving the GS300 we found her. Even my grandpa came around on it and loves it. Now they're out here cruising in their clean little Lexus bumping their Spanish music.
@@kllntime101 That's so wholesome!
@@kllntime101 Nice.
It's not just california. Most sensible people figured out that Japanese cars were just built better by the 80s or 90s.
I think empathy is important, and I appreciate this olive branch to older folks. Only a matter of time before I'm right there with em', I hope someone will try to understand when I get there
I'm 30 and my old man does not understand why I sold my mustang years back for a wrx. Each generation has their own things. When my kid grows up i won't have the same lust for electric cars I assume they will have
Electric cars aren't going to be modified like modern cars, bud.
@@cavalierliberty6838 rc cars like xmods were all the time, bud
@@roymcdre9180 there is a big difference between an RC car and something that I can tell you for certain is going to be a lot more regulated than a gas car is now.
@@roymcdre9180 there is a big difference between an RC car and something that I can tell you for certain is going to be a lot more regulated than a gas car is now.
@@cavalierliberty6838 narrow minded thinking. Will they have the mods we have now? Probably not, but who's to day the next form of stance styled cars won't be out and people of an older generation will look at it and not get it or like it. As long as it is a means to travel and teens and young 20s have access to it, there will be modifications.
My grandfather, as a pacific campaign veteran, strictly drove Honda for as long as I could remember. He thought my red 3000gt was the coolest car on earth, but did inform me of their original heritage many times 😂😂
True. It was Mitsubishi engines that powered the infamous Japanese Zero planes.
That’s surprising because a lot of my grandpas friends and himself even though he was a WW2 European Campaign Vet when it came to cars didn’t buy Japanese. I remember when my mom got her first Japanese car, a Nissan Sentra and my grandpa while not mad wasn’t thrilled about it.
That’s cool though he drove Hondas but I feel like he was a rarity of that generation when it came to car owners.
Hot take: the older generation didn't like us [millenials, genZ, etc whatever titles ya wanna throw in] modifying what we're essentially known to them as foreign economy cars. I believe that lil notion also has a part to play. I still remember my own old man, looking confused at an older civic coupe that eas dressed to the nines. His only words, and not a joke: "why not just buy a corvette?"
I’m with your dad on that one. A Corvette can make a lot more power than any JDM product ever could with very little money. Let’s go to the Le Mans 24 hour race. How many Japanese cars have won Le Mans? ONE! It wasn’t even a production car! It was a Mazda 787B with a rotary engine. How many victories has a Corvette achieved at Le Mans? Eight victories! Now try to tell me what is a better car.
well duh a corvette is a totally different looking ride and can only be wanted by the people who like the looks on them me personally never cared for the looks of them but if i was gonna get one it would be a 58 vette, also the new ones forget about it its a Ferrari with a bow tie on it lol
@@bcdieselsofficial I love a lot of the older Corvettes, specifically the C2, c3 and c5 in that order, but going by the metrics of one prestigious race doesnt show the bottom line. By that notion damn near every euro company is better then them considering they haven't won overall or in their class from what I can see.
There's different things different carsare good at. I've seen backyard built Hondas with maybe 2 to 3k put into them walk all over domestic cars drag racing. I've also seen domestic cars, mostly Camaros and mustangs, chase down Porsches and r35's on a road course with seemingly zero effort. The way gas cars are pushed targeted right now we should really be appreciating them all from the stock to the thoughtfully built ones.
@@MidnightMuzic do you wanna see a real drag monster? Get a 6.4 L Powerstroke. They will give even supercars a run for their money. With just a delete and tune, they are capable of running 10’s in the quarter mile. I watched a guy on UA-cam, who claims to have beaten McLarens with his 6.4 L Powerstroke.
@@bcdieselsofficial @B C Diesels Thats cool but again different builds for different reasons. Diesels got the torque advantage so from a dig I expect them to do pretty well on quarter miles but that's all that's about all they've got. There's a reason you don't see many of them at half mile drags often. Theyre still fast but considering that the 1/2 mile record for diesels just barely scrapes past 160 while the lowest records I can find for imports are for an s2000 that ran 199 it just doesn't feel as impressive. I've thankfully been at both speeds and one is fast and the other is terrifying.
I also don't really care for drag racing unless it's roll racing or 1/2 drags anyway. I personally enjoy racing on road courses and back roads in slower cars to become a faster driver in general. Its funny watching people in more expensive cars struggle to shake a slower car with a better driver off their bumper to me.
This depends on the people themselves muscle cars are big in my family, I grew up in the 80s and started falling in love with jdm cars. My dad's first jdm car was a mazda rx-1he loved that car until he had to rebuild the engine twice. I got my second Acura Integra and did a h22 swap fully built and a good street tune on it making 240 to the ground.when I gave my dad and a few muscle car friends of mine rides they where blown away how much fun it was to drive, one of my favorites was one of my friends always said ya but American muscle will beat you in a race he hade a 2000 ford Mustang gt the best part about it was when I took him down with my Integra and to this day he still doesn't like it when I bring that up in a conversation. good times JDM all day
Nothing is better than seeing a skyline with a crazy inline six cylinder engine turbocharged roaring down a street,or a supra with a 2jz turbocharged inline six cylinder engine blasting these v8 muscle cars into oblivion!
I feel like the "buy american to support the local economy" thing always had a bit of dishonestly to it because the biggest audiences for stuff like the F150 and charger were also enthusiastically destroying American labor rights over the last 60 years. A large part of the reason Americans started moving towards these Japanese brands was because stagnated wages meant you have to choose the practical option over just acting out cultural loyalty.
that and the American car manufacturers in the 70s were making straight TRASH that would fall apart the second you paid it off and was always breaking down. There is a LOT of people in their late 50s and 60s that haven't bought a domestic brand car because they got BURNED and lost their shirt on a crappy Ford, Chevy etc back than.
I had a 1986 Fleetwood Brougham de'Elegance. PHAT AF to drive around. The interior was really cheaply made as it loved to fall apart and the Olds' 307 was nowhere near enough. But the body, chassis, etc were SOLID. Wish I still had it with an LSX under the hood!
4:11 "Rice rocket" is my new favorite term for a modified car
I watched, curious about how this video would go. As a Honda Beat owner I was cracking up at the ending. Love it!
I think the "support the local economy" angle is a lot stronger than most young people give it credit for. I worked in a city that was home to a major GM plant that shut down shortly before I moved there. Even still, the number of GM cars on the roads there is crazy disproportionate compared to the rest of the country. When our company bought our first Camry to replace the old Malibu company car, that was a major shock to a good chunk of the company. How could you expect to win local projects if you're not going to keep that money going back to local workers? Japanese cars are better, sure, but they're the selfish choice in some people's eyes.
The catch is Supply and Demand, if some people want slick, nimble, fuel efficient and most importantly, reliable cars and the Japanese, Koreans are offering them, it's on the American car manufacturers heads that fail to provide cars with those qualities at an affordable price.
Nowadays things have evened out, but back then not so much.
@@palindinX Yeah, the whole "Made in America" has turned into a gimmick where it supposedly is a legitimate excuse to make subpar products. I would look at it in a different way. I always question why someone would buy more expensive, less reliable cars. I get it if it's a sports car, or niche model, but if you're getting a grocery getter that is less reliable and costs more...question your intelligence.
You mean they wanted you to buy a “domestic” that was built in Mexico or Canada by the same company who closed down their US factory, instead of some “import” that was built in Kentucky by actual American workers?
Good comment. Lots to digest here and I’m bumping this to give it some awareness in the threads 🙏
JDM had done sides back then too... Like size and comfort.
I love my 4th Gen Camaro. It's got just enough "modern 90s" in it for it to be interesting, handles pretty good, AND has a small block Chevy V8 that happily revs to 6900. Nice.
They also hate lane splitting. Had some geezer try to hit me off my bike after filtering one hell of a memorable birthday today tho.
As someone who was a teenager in the mid-'80's in Cleveland... there was a lot of shade thrown if you were driving something other than American. Back then was a very different time, though... you had very easy access to a lot of cars that people dream of nowadays. It was nothing to go out and get a late 60's/early 70's Chevelle, Nova, or Camaro for a couple hundred bucks, you could practically rebuild a 350 from K-Mart, and the J.C. Whitney catalog was like the Toy-R-Us for teenagers.
I've seen a weird mini version of this in the VW scene, air cooled VW people and water cooled VW people have such a weird relationship. like we're into the same brand but we have a huge rivalry with each other cuz the older VW enthusiasts are into the air cooled stuff and the young people like me are into the water cooled stuff and the divide is the reason H2Oi was founded cuz the air cooled guys didn't want water cooled VWs "cluttering up their shows"
Check this out when I was a kid my uncle raced and bought mostly American cars back in the early eighties but my aunts bought Japanese cars mostly which thanks to my aunt eggy who owned a early eighties Datsun Z oh, which introduced me to Japanese automotives which fueled my love for Japanese cars to this day! Not a great deal of African American families in my area had a love for automobiles like mine did back in the day.
I think it's not just tuner cars, it's anything newer than 1972. I attend a lot of local shows in my 89 mustang and most of those geezers won't even look my way. The funny part is half of them have a 5.0 retro-swapped car. My old vw bug on the other hand gets too much attention for me to handle.
I think he covered the main points... older generations really kept with their national pride, outdated view that Japanese cars were just cheap little aluminum piles of junk, etc. I was fortunate enough that my dad experienced the 70's and 80's reliable fun of Japanese cars and didn't push me to stick with what he'd driven in high school. To be fair though he did tease me that no matter how zippy my first S2000 was (bolt on stock), it'd never be able to lift the front wheels off the ground like his old supercharged V8's of yore.
As someone who has owned both tuner and Muscle cars, and euro cars I've found the muscle cars are the easiest and cheapest to own, more reliable, don't have a bunch of stupid sensors and garbage to go wrong. There's like three wires going to the engine on a 60's Ford. Although you do need to have a certain level of finesse to own one, setting timing on a points distributor is a lot harder then replacing a coil pack but somehow more rewarding.
"Rice rockets" lol. Well since you said it first, I never really jived well with the kids in my younger years who'd see a Fast And Furious movie, put a tacky wing on a Honda Civic, think they had a race car, and then neutral drop and spin out at a stoplight. 😂
Even before you hit that Ohio story, I was already thinking of the "Maibotsu Thunder" radio commercials from GTA Vice City. 🤣 I emphasize with that, and hate to not support local manufacturing, but in that era, Japanese made cars are truly special creations.
I can relate to this heavy. Coming from the Motor City, a lot of the older generation has a HUGE love for American Muscle. But it makes sense since they literally built the cars they were driving. Whenever we talk about cars and I bring up JDM cars, My grandad always has to praise American cars first and foremost but I still love it.
Honestly there's a lot of different answers to this question. From what you touched on with patriotism, the muscle car era, civics with fart cans, etc. I also think a lot of it is what they thought was cool when they were growing up too. My dad had me late but he grew up in the muscle car era so he always had a soft spot for the big blocks (Didn't know or care too much for tuners). My first car was an RX8 and my dad was scratching his head wondering why I'd want one. Then he actually drove it and in like 30 seconds he was giggling and having fun ripping it like he was in his 20s. Basically it's a bit of everything but car guy to car guy they'd understand how fun they are if they actually drove em
Honestly just love hearing you talk about stuff
You're totally correct. My grandpa was the same way and he served in WW2. Could never buy anything other than American cause it was like buying from the enemy
Xennial Mechanic here. It was my generation that was learning to drive when The fast and the furious came out, we loved and worshipped tuners then and mostly now, most people have forgotten the first civic to run 10 secs wasnt naturally a fast car or built for the long run, it was built cheap and for mpg during the oil crisis area. The 70s were mostly about luxury and soft ride cars they made large engines for most cars but usually to compensate the added weight of the cars (not really bad cars just different style). Detroit made used to mean something most of our American made vehicles came from detroit and they used to be built tough. Some of the detroit made cars are still around provided the owners kept them from rusting. Cars nowadays are built abroad cheap because safety/quality standards in other countries and even here in the states the quality for autoparts is horrendous. New parts are built cheaply (lesser quality) and some come broken especially electronic components SO, in conclusion, older american cars are something to be proud of owning and less of a headache. If you want a reliable car salvage and restore an old american made car or buy a toyota (toyota/Lexus are the only companies that really care for quality now).
It's because how loud they are and that so many people put shitty exhausts on their cars. I have a 1965 plymouth with a 440. Every old person i take it around says it needs better mufflers because how loud it is, but they typically still like the car because it brings back memories when they were racing similar cars. When they think of jdm, they see all the loud, none of the cool
This was a perfect explanation of this topic great video as always👍
Simp.
Appreciate it man. I tried to talk about this in a unique way 😅
@@AlexMartini. w Alex
Its so hypocritical that old people make a huge fuss about loud cars and motorcycles meanwhile they were doing the same things when they were younger
I'm 55 (18 in 1985) and I miss my 1974 RX4 manual coupe I owned from 1986-1991. Rotary power sweetness and decent mpg.
My first car was a 1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT non-turbo. Alex, did you ever get someone who commented about your car saying something like "Mitsubishi shot my grandfather's plane down"?
I'm over 67 and love my tuned 800 WHP GT-R. I just had a roll cage installed and plan on doing a few HPDE classes this summer. I have a GR Corolla on order for my every day driver and winter car. Just saying.
My WW2 era grandparents didn’t care too much for Japanese cars but thought Toyotas were alright, my dad grew up tuning air cooled vws and harleys, And I mostly focus on rat rods of any kind. The hype tax on the Beat is real I can say that much about it.
What I don't get is why younger JDM enthusiasts give me this Funny look when I tell them my favorite jdm cars are all classics MK1 Celicas, RX-3, Mk Cosmo, R-100, Corolla SR5, 240Z, Gallant GTO,ect. Idk I prefer the small American Muscle Car look with the Small engines. I feel like younger JDM enthusiasts don't have a appreciation for the Classic jdm cars that Paved the road for there Modern Cars
Those where the best JDM cars, classics.
So. Funny that you cover this. When I was an undergrad, studying for my anthropology major, I needed a topic for my senior thesis. I had already had a stink in Japan, so I had some good data from there. So, as a gear head at the turn of the century, I decided to cover our own car scene. The interesting part about writing this piece was when I hit the urban / rural distinction. I recommend reading dick hebdige's book 'Subcultures' for an overview on what that means, then you can apply it to the car world. I think you will find this topic very interesting.
hey man, love your content and im over the moon about being mentioned. you really made my week. keep up the good work!
I'm a high schooler, and I don't really care about this JDM and European car craze.
It boils down to personal preference. I'm the kind of person that doesn't like risky stuff, so I naturally don't care about speed or horsepower. What I DO care about is styling and aesthetics. In my personal opinion, there is just something special about American cars! The chrome, the body lines, the intricate designs on the wheel covers, crazy two-tone color scheme, low and wide stance, the excessive tumblehome, everything about it I just cannot resist! And cherry on top, the simplicity and noise of a carbureted V8 adds a hint of youth to this overall mature design language.
Not all people are speed demons, some people just like to appreciate transportation. And my kind of transportation is a good ol American land yacht.
It's truly ironic when you think about how so many Japanese badges today have domestic factories and production, and the Big 3 are outsourcing production to Mexico and Canada (more so than they did 2 decades ago).
Tbh I actually got more compliments from old people then people my age(28). A lot of kids love my cars tho. Just wanted to build the car I dreamed and played games like nfs as a kid. Something I couldn’t do when I was younger but can now💯
Honda civic em2 and cooper r50
I think there is couple reasons:
1. Pride. Most older people, especially in the US want US made cars like a corvette. Nowadays Asian and Europe cars are quite popular due to advanced technology and more access to them.
2. They are loud. This is all preference, but some old people hate new tuner sounds.
3. The Generation itself. I just think some people hate the newer generation for modifying their “normals”. New clothings, such as crop tops, new cars and EVs, and new everything in general. Trends have changed
I love a range of things, mainly 50's American land barges (I have a 59 dodge custom royal), and also 60's and 70's American, but mainly our Aussie muscle cars! But I also love anything older jdm thru til late 90's jdm... But godddamnit, I can't stand hearing a damn stock subie with a fart cannon! Makes me want to blow my brains out lol😅 also, was nice to see you add some Aussie drag clips too!!!
C5 is quietly entering the tuner scene with gobs of potential
the olds with the garage kept C5's are passing and the children do not want them/can't even drive them
In the 1970's Chevrolet made a Documentary that basically said
"Pls don't buy jdm buy american because you are American"
That's how dire the american car industry was in the 70's, they are literally BEGGING you to buy their cars
@Jimmy Two Times dude, in the context of this comment the word "JDM" is being used as a term to describe a Japanese car
@Jimmy Two Times I know what the word means dude, i just used in the comment because it's shorter than "Japanese cars"
“A GODDANM Honda beat!” Truly the best car 😂😂
I parked my S13 on the street, and stayed inside it talking to my boyfriend. The guy from the house ACROSS THE STREET kept staring, taking pictures and eventually told me to “keep moving buddy.” Love that from these fucking suburbanites
(Building on 6:30) I would seriously argue that as the Corvette went on (
It's funny, the boomers around me are in their 50s now are raving about tuner cars. Gotta remember that the 90s was 30 something years ago. So those 18-20 something dudes in the 90s are now in their 50s buying up 90s JDMS and here in the UK and Europe particularly the 80s-90s hot hatches.
That's everywhere really. I'm 43 and can agree to this. We also have the cleaner builds since many of us now have careers and make decent coin.
I had a conversation to a friend of my stepdad’s about why I got a Golf GTI, instead of an ep3 honda that he got when he was my age. It’s like, well your car is what my car cost in your day, now it’s luxury car money. Times change
It's weird that when I ride with my brother in a FK8 Type R, it almost always the gray hair old people give that car a praise.
One time right after he parked the car in a parking lot, the white hair old lady next to us rolled down her window yell "Your car looks so gooood!" with her old lady voice. That was so funny.
I rigged up an old plexiglass cylinder full of rice and a valve handle in the trunk of my 240 to look like a NOS bottle kind of. Had braided hoses and everything. Drove my stepdad insane.
7:26 i was eating bro...
so if ever an old person saw me in a Porsche, does that mean that I'll be called a nazi?
Where did you get that Porsche Skate??? I love it!
I'm from Trinidad, we don't produce any cars, so we don't have a particular affinity for any manufacturer, so anything goes here. However, I've been to the US, my parents have been to Germany and Japan, and I've been to Italy, in terms of boomer mentality toward cars, every single automotive producing country has the same people. In Italy, you drive an Italian car, doesn't matter if it's a 500 like literally every single other person, you drive an Italian car. My dad said the same thing was true in Germany and Japan, and it's the same in the US. I don't blame them, I get it, they're proud of their homeland and of their accomplishments, and you buying someone else's product says that their accomplishments aren't good enough, or worse yet, you don't respect their accomplishments, and by extension, their homeland.
I can understand how some of them think you're anti American for buying anything but American, however, what I'd say to them, "American cheese is worse than Italian". It doesn't mean America should stop trying, it means I'm looking for the best, and we need to work harder to get there. Instead of getting angry that they're making a better product than us, why don't we just make a better product? What's stopping us, aren't we the best?
Make no mistake, racism often plays a large role in why a lot of people shun the Japanese tuner segment. I grew up around a lot of it in the 80s and 90s when names like Honda Toyota and Nissan were emerging then basically crushed the American small car market.
you'll seldom see hate for the venerable VW bug. a car commsisoned by adolf hitler
Honestly I don't blame the hate that old guys have on tuner cars and JDM cars. I'm only about 18 years old and I would still much rather have the kind of cars that the older generations of people would have, especially American and European classic cars. I hate the way a Japanese tuner with a fart can sounds.
Another factor in this (specific to the Corvette - and I own one) is that it is an 'aspirational car' in marketing terminology that people want for years and years and buy later in life after the kids are gone and the house is paid off, or close to paid off. It's not really a parallel comparison to tuner cars. Also, years ago, there were very few imported cars in the US until the late 1960s and 1970s, and the imports were either reliable economy cars or "highly exotic" Jaguars that only the wealthy would own. The availability of more import car brands in the modern day kind of changes the equation, too. Young people will be aware of all the new choices and older people won't. Back in the 1950s and 60s, as the US was coming out of the post-War years (NO new cars were made during WWII - that's something interesting to consider) the only option for customizable sports cars was to take an old 1920s and 30s 2-seater car and hack off the heavier parts, drop the suspension and put a larger engine into it - and that's how the T-Buckets, Deuce Coupes and Jalopies came to be. Those were the sports cars of the day for the average person until the Corvette came out in 1953 and the Thunderbird came out in 1955. There were sport-y cars back then, like a Chevy with an optional larger engine, but no real dedicated sports cars, and frankly, until the Highway Act of 1956 came out, there may not have been many faster highways to take them on, anyway, except for main streets and country roads.
eyy the navy yard in Bremerton in the backround at 4:06 , old clip tho since the kitty hawk is long gone
we need 90s/00s style back
I think you have a good point with the drag racing -- American motorsport and hot rodding is much tied to drag racing and oval track racing and that influenced everything about our domestic performance cars - mostly NA V8s, RWD, solid rear axle, automatic transmission, soft suspension for weight transfer, all about going a straight 1/4 mile from a dig and nothing else. I don't think there's so much a threat of foreign cars invading drag racing because for the most part there's just not a lot of them that compete in the same classes, but the import sports car is just so antithetical to everything about straight line drag racing. Of course there are exceptions but the overall trend is clear
Got into tuner cars because of my dad, started with a Plymouth duster now I daily a Miata 😅.
Tbf i'd like a Corvette too.
I had a History/Economics teacher who said she would never support Mitsubishi because they produced the Zero planes that attacked Pearl Harbor.
On the other hand, my grandfather served in WW2, 10th Mountain Division Ski Troops, fighting in the Swiss and Italian Alps. He was primarily a Chevy man, but he did purchase a Honda Accord before he passed away. He liked my first car, a Toyota. I can't help but wonder now if he would disapprove of my buying an Italian or German automobile.
Towncar was AWSOME on a long trip when I was a kid!!!!
It’s just the noise. Older I get the more I want my car to be quiet. My turbo civic got a extra 2 resonators to shut it up😂
You should make a video or short on the best handling muscle cars that are affordable
I get where your grandpa is coming from, and it bums me out a little when I think about it, but the reality is that a lot of modern “American” cars aren’t built with the greatest quality and many of them are built in Mexico and in Canada. Not that I feel any animosity or hate towards our neighbors, but if we’re going to buy American for the sake of American pride, it better be built bulletproof and built here too like they were back in the days.
Depends on what you mean by old. I started with muscle cars, and slowly transitioned to tuner cars. Now at 48 yrs old I'm building my 04 Acura TSX. Custom made intake, header, no cat, 3 inch exhaust, Flowmaster out back. Almost 6k in suspension work, and I really don't care what people think about me or my car. Hondata with an 07 ECU is ready to go in, turbo kit, 1000cc injectors, high flow fuel pump, Trans cooler, gutting the car, and the list continues. It's in my blood man and I won't stop playing with cars till the day I die.
A lot of these old manufacturers just like the ones here in the states was weaponized ego Mitsubishi zero a national pride that's why my Honda was built right here in the United States
Few people (me included) drive modified Japanese cars in my neighbourhood yet none of the oldies dislike us, if anything we are seen as the cool car people that help out when someone has an issue with their car. We keep the revs and speed low when in the neighbourhood and try to keep the midnight cold starts to a minimum lol. It’s all about how you act, not just the cars themselves.
Nah man the e46 is the best car ever. Until you rip the rear end out by accident and the oil filter housing starts leaking all over your alternator, or the plastic expansion tank ruptures, or the engine ever over heats a single time rendering pretty much junk. But man when they are running right they are a freaking treat
Bruh I feel you I’ve replaced all of those on my e46 in the past 6 months
Haha so true- lots of RTV+clean the hell out of the mating surface on the oil filter housing, replace the platic expansion tank with a metal, weld/upgrade the oil pump nut on the 330, tune the ECU to give you more feedback on a possible overheat condition+auto stop the engine after a certain temp, and weld some plates into the subframe mount area+some tubing that goes from strut tower to mount points, and you've got yourself a reliable as hell great car.
Oh and replace the window regulator too.
Source: own 2 E46, and want to turbo the 330.
@@ThatOneCatNyx I forgot about the window regulators lmao my list was just what i encountered so far lol im about to build an m54b30 and swap it into my e46 328. im keeping the mechanical throttle tho and am defintely slapping a tubo on it. are you on the e46 fanatics forum?
@@PikaTwoB yeah man the e46 i have has cost me about $2k a year to keep on the road but i blew up the motor last week.
@@schoolForAnts aw man rip, by some miracle mine is still running
Not all of us. I guess I'm "old people" now, since I'm 53, but I don't hate tuners. I drive a modded Veloster Turbo, complete w/catback, bov, and tune.
When you said "you know what the best car is" I thought you were going to say the one you mom rides on lol
My guilty pleasure car is a Volvo 240, thing is like a box on wheels, Easy aftermarket support and can take it off-roading or just overall beat on it
Bro, that Corvette in the first minute was actually hella clean.
I'm getting old, if I hated tuner cars, it would be because of the noise. One of my neighbors, starting around 10 pm and going until 4 am or so, every half hour or so, starts up his incredibly loud Audi. He revs it for several minutes, then drives it around the block a few times, does a donut or two, then parks. Then does it all over again a few minutes later. I hate that car more than you could imagine. He's got it tuned so that it back fires literally every time he takes his foot of the gas.
Sounds like he had a "burbles/backfire" tune done on the car. Incredibly pointless and dumb.
@@douglaslorin739 Yeah, that's what my other neighbor said. He has a Supra, it's loud but not irritatingly so.
Rice burners are “made in Taiwan” carried the negative connotations of being cheap but also low quality.
When you said "A god damn honda beat" I lost my mind I am in the process of buying a Yellow Mugen spec honda beat right now
I guess I never saw this growing up, so I cannot say to much about it. I was born and raised in Evansville, IN. And just half an hour north, there is a Toyota manufacturing plant. I grew up where most people drove either a Toyota, because they had a relative who could get an employee discount, or they had a pickup. I have been told that my parents bought an 2003 Avalon right before I was born so they could have something practical, as my Dad has a S10 (I think) and my mother had a Saturn SC1. Now the cars where are live have diversified, still mainly econoboxes, but less Toyota.
What really makes me sad is that my mother has never had an interest in cars. Her father used to have a 2ng gen Civic wagon and an FC3S. Both of those cars were sold way before I was born, but I wonder how my life would have changed if she had those.
For me it's strictly about the exhaust. Loved my Celica Supra but there's something about the bass of an open header big block that makes your chest vibrate.
That generation is in their 70s to 90s. Gen X is now old and all grew up with imports and still love them.
My grandpa loves Hondas, every time I get in his new CRV, he likes to show off the gas mileage he got on his way over.
my uncle loved his Hondas. he tried buying a Ford once. it was a 2012 focus lol. so you can guess how that went
My dad had both sides of the spectrum. His first car was a 57 bel air that he turned into a drag car, his second was a 65’ gto, and his third was a 1969 charger r/t and then when the 80s came around he decided to try the Japanese cars so he got the 1982 Rx-7 and he liked that car and then he got a mk-3 Supra and he really liked that car but he always says that he loved that old 1969 charger the best and if he could have any car again it would be that