Це відео не доступне.
Перепрошуємо.
1858 Remington Replica - Shoot Cast or Swaged?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 20 лип 2023
- I shoot mostly cast round ball in my percussion handguns. A comment was made asking
how they compare to the commercial swaged ones. Shot three targets with each (36 shots total), which I believe gave a pretty fair comparison. Also information on cast round balls.
I always wondered about this very thing....but no one ever explained it. Thanks for this info!
I have both Lee and Lyman Molds and they all cut at the Tangent unless the Sprue Plate is Loose or the Sprue Plate is struck at an angle they never leave an excessively tall sprue . The reason for loading the spue at either the top or bottom of the cylinder is for balance to keep the ball shooting straight. If you have a Vibratory Case Tumbler it is easy to remove the excess metal from the sprue by emptying the Tumbler and wiping out the residue. Then put your cast balls in the Tumbler for an hour or two until the vibration removes the sprue , this also will remove small cosmetic wrinkles just weigh the wrinkled balls first in case of voids. Finish of with a couple of squirts if Graphite Lock Spray ( get mine at Home Depot) and you cast balls will look and shoot just like the Factory ones. This trick also works for making OO Buckshot.
Well OR, I think that was a very interesting test, I would have thought the swaged ball would easily outperform the cast ball, but here you show that is not the case, I have noticed that the "swaged " balls have a very "tumbled" look about them, and I have often thought they were no more than cast balls that had been through a tumbling process, it is interesting to see that in this test the cast balls were better in almost every target,(and they were super groups in every case), I cast using a modern manufactured mould in the same style as the scissor moulds, I do that because these are available in .001" increment diameters from UK, and are very reasonably priced, but I always load sprue up, and I use a radiused cutter to cut off the sprue. Many thanks for posting this research video, really good results, have you tested the swaged ball for hardness, they always have a vey dark finish which I presume is due to being tumbled, in graphite. Chris B.
Haven’t tested for hardness. Assuming (probably not normally smart) that they are pure. When I was shooting mostly.36 cal I was careful to load sprue up and still got flyers. Even got a sledging mould and also tried commercially produced ones. No better. Now I’m thinking I wasn’t using enough lube to keep fouling soft. During competitions I would swab the barrel ever few shots which seemed to help. My other suspicion is that the 1-33 twist of the 2nd gen colts (and others) is marginal for stability.
Be interesting to know how the swaged balls are produced. It’s always been interesting to me that they never seemed to drastically (if at all) improve accuracy. They should give more piece of mind as far as a more perfect seal. I enjoy casting, along with cost savings, so this has always been good news for me.
I have a Lee .451 mold that casts .446-447. I informed them because I thought they might want to check into it. Basically they said I was casting wrong. Anyway, ordered another and it is .451. Thing is, I shot a one hole group with those.447’s, one of the first videos I made, 4-5 years ago.
The round ball has aerodynamic advantages. Square baseballs, not so much. Thanks Chris for your comments. O.R. P.S. Those.001 increments sound interesting.
thanks for sharing sir very informative
Sir You are an asset to the community. - I award you The O B E .. 'Old Ballistic Expert'.
Shooting "monkeys" in the rain with wobbly balls - Bravo.
Thanks Martin. Will do my best to keep the monkeys from stealing the show. O.R.
Hey dude, I really enjoy your videos, the main thing about them is you share Real time experience that you have gained through many years or trial and error,,,, you use a machine rest to show the results you can get with Cap and ball revolvers. so far you are the only one on YT doing it as far as I have seen. you also have the knowledge of re-tuning the pistols with after market parts to aid the "Shoot-ability" in the hands of a accuracy marksman. you are also a fan of pistol Bullseye and (IMO) is the toughest of all the shooting sports. Keep up the great content, I agree with what was covered in this video 100% and people can learn from watching it. Peace guy - Dave
Thanks Dave. Don’t know why I have the special interest in the black powder revolvers, and all that goes with them. I might even be developing some addiction to cleaning and oiling them. I can understand where watching westerns as a kid got me into the single action army’s, but not the feeling I seem to have for the original types. I hope through videos that I, and others, can relay information and experiences. Enough data will reveal real truths and maybe even put some myths to rest. Appreciate your complements; your remarks help encourage what I, and others are doing. Keep safe. O.R. P.S. like your handle 👍…
I enjoyed the segment old Ranger thanks
Thanks OR, another excellent video. Thumbs 👍🏻 up ~John
Swaged balls should be used when it is raining out. This is a clear result of this testing.
I imagine swaged balls sell poorly in the desert due to accuracy problems. People catch on to this sort of thing.
Lovely weather you are having there.😊
👍
The rain pattern on the one target looks like the silhouette of a prairie dog looking away at about 45 degrees. Have you done a video of your lube? I ask because I don't want to keep using the commercial stuff as it melts away from the heat of firing. After a couple of shots the cylinder gets warm enough to melt it. There is a balance to be struck though I do realize in that it has to be soft enough to be useable at cooler temperatures but not run off when it gets warm. Thank you for the videos.
Disregard the question as I found the lube videos.
Good, thanks. Starting to think that lube stiffness or whatever might be pretty critical because mine had got stiffer in colder weather. I used a knife to get into the chambers because it was not working properly in the lube device. Group size seemed to increase . Probably lube was just blowing out in a chunk and not coating the barrel. O.R.
Interesting, I tend to shoot swaged balls but I do have a Lee mould. My repro Remington prefers .451” balls. Must try my home cast again.
I like the.451 myself. That’s what I currently shoot the most of (Lee mold). O.R.
If the chambers are .446 and the barrel is .452 dia. Why does the gun shoot good?
@@muskin717 I didn’t think to mention that the bore diameter of the barrel on the 44 caliber guns is usually close to .440, hence why called a 44. The.454 ball will get sized down some by the smaller chambers to maybe .446-448. The extra size is needed for a tight fit and seal. So there is about 3-4 thousands on each side of the ball to go into the rifling. More if the ball “bumps up”, which I doubt happens. A 45 colt will have a larger bore. Why, or when this happened, I have no clue, but it is confusing and the 45 colt will use bullets from .450 to .454, depending on the gun. Hopefully this answers. O.R.
I have noticed with any of my rifles or pistols. When they get a little fouled, they seem to shoot better than a clean barrel.??????
Ya, me too, what’s up with that? Remember the saying that you get to take a fouling shot before the match 👍. O.R.
🇺🇸💪💪👍
What type of lead do you prefer? Pure, lynotype, Wheel weight? Just getting into casting my own.
Casting for muzzle loading and percussion guns I use as pure as possible. Cartridge weapons are different and use a variety of lead alloy compositions. Rotometals is an online source, and there are others. You might want to stay away from wheel weights if casting for cartridge weapons because recent stuff contains some undesirable metals. My late uncle obtained quite a bit of pure from a phone company, but that was years ago. I shoot into a sand trap (mostly) and am able to separate and recycle my lead. Good luck with your new interest. O.R.
What did your cast slugs weigh compared to the swagged slugs?
Just a second, will check. …cast 140.6 -- swaged 141.4. Only checked a random of each. Thanks for asking about this, wish I would have thought to include this info. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 That is interesting as if they are the same diameter the hardness of the lead will be difference,(different percentage alloy). Chris B.
@@453421abcdefg12345 I was thinking the same. An alloy with tin or antimony would weigh less also so…..maybe I’m not as pure as I thought!! Or, that slight amount is missing where the sprue is cut off. Have a good day Chris. O.R.