And maybe that's exactly WHY they writers/directors put this scene in there. To essentially have the characters explain the "rules" of time travel to the audience. It's a pity that Avengers: Endgame mentioned Back to the Future but did NOT mention LOST. Also, I feel they did this to instill the idea that all our Oceanic survivors (those left anyway) are still in peril and can in fact die and aren't future protected.
@@victorpradha9946 I agree with everything you said! And I also think, with the exception of the alternate timelines created in Endgame, their explanations for time travel were pretty similar. You’d think Hulk would’ve mentioned Lost, lol.
@@MsVamPireChic Maybe Lost wasn't notable enough? I mean, Rhodey and Scott listed off movies where changing the past can make you disappear. Endgame's rules follow multiversal rules. Lost's rules are different where all your time-travel actions have already happened on the same timeline. Lost's rules is more like what happened when Harry and Hermione rescued Buckbeak and Sirius in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
@@SeanWheeler100endgame is probably the simplest one. You travek back in time but that instantly creates a separate branched timeline. But your original timeline remains unchanged. Harry Potter and LOST sound simple as well with the concept of whatever happened, happened. But it gets a little more complicated once you start to think about it. Back To The Future and Xmen DOFP are also pretty complicated.
Miles put Sawyer for competition with the jokes & jabs at ppl lol Miles was funnier, Sawyer had the name callings & was gloating most of the time or being really grumpy & territorial
Well the scene ends with Juliet ambushing Jack in the shower...but Miles and Hurley's exchange ends (for us anyway) with the ask me more questions about time travel bit.
He wants more questions about time travel because he needs to get his story straight. _Lost_ is full of scenes of characters getting their stories straight. For instance, when Kate and the marshal were in a car together -- working together, of course -- they went over her supposed story for us to hear. She isn't even the real Kate! The original Kate was blown up along with her boyfriend in a house, while we saw this lookalike Kate get away on a motorcycle.
Lmao, I love his pompous condescending attitude towards Hurley, and how it's immediately dropped when Hurley says something that contradicts him for once.
I love how Hurley never takes it personally. He never really gets riled up, except that one time when Sawyer was messing with him, when Hurley saw Dave from the institution (back in LA) on the Island.
Another great Hurley/Miles moment is on "Some Like It Hoth" where Hurley says Miles might get to meet baby him and get to change his own diaper. And also when Miles reads Hurley's Star Wars script. Hilarious
OMG This got me LMAO! I'm glad I didn't drink too much liquid or eat too much or I'd pee or shit myself laughing! This is more than gold, platinum, diamonds, it's gonna be a legend. 100% agree with you...AND MORE!...(What I'm gonna say next...🤣🤣🤣🤣 one of the most hilarious quote in the entire series, if not the #1😂😂😂)
Linus got shot by Sayid before Richard took him to the temple. Linus would lose all of his memories after the temple, and that's why Linus can't remember Sayid.
Did you ever think that Miles and Hugo, realizing the flaw in their "time travel" scam, decided to have Linus go thru that (it being another bit of fakery) because Hugo picked out this problem?
Bored Jack in the backround is hilarious! They have the most interesting discussion ever possible and Jack isn't interested. He only gets interested when he can "fix" things or otherwise he gets depressed.
That's because Jack (at least this one; he has a double who's a brilliant neurosurgeon, as in "The Perfect Operation" episode of _Department S_ ) is not the skilled confidence man Hugo and Miles are. Jack's specialty is sleight of hand.
"Once Ben turned that wheel, time isn't in a straight line anymore." Nope people assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect but actually from a non-linear, non subject viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly.... timey Wimey....stuff
@@goodmaro It's not really a hole in any plot. By all accounts, Miles was exactly right. The things he said were reinforced by the show repeatedly. There are plenty of possible explanations as to why Ben didn't mention Sayid. Time distorts memories, it's entirely possible that he simply didn't recognize Sayid. Or maybe he did recognize him, but didn't mention it. By the time Ben is an adult, he understands quite a bit about the island and may not even be surprised by the idea of time travel, and it's actually completely in line with his character to keep his mouth shut about something like that.
@@RunstarHomer Sure, Miles was right because he *made* it right. The characters on _Lost_ , in their effort to fool the "(Manchurian) candidates" into thinking they'd traveled in time to witness past events, had to make sure not to create contradictions that would spoil the illusion. But Ben is the easiest of all, not being a "candidate" but being the scammer behind things; his story of having been on the island as a child is entirely made up by him.
@@goodmaro Oh, I remember responding to you posting that theory in another comment. I didn't realize you were the same person. And I still have absolutely no idea how you came up with that story lol
@@RunstarHomer he was brought to the temple where jacobs brother/ Smokey healed him and thats why he doesn't remember sayid. He changed after that and probably lost memory of sayid shooting him due to Smokeys ability to manipulate people's minds
We all usually experience time in order from past to present. The years pass in order eg 2007 then 2008 then 2009. What has happened here is that the characters’ time is no longer passing in order. They went from 2004 to 2005 to 2006 to 2007 to 1977. So, even though they think of 1977 as being “the past”, it is currently their present. Even though 1977 is their present, they know what 2007 is like because they’ve been in that time. They know that adult Ben is alive and well in 2007 and therefore they know that he doesn’t die in 1977. They could try all they want to kill him but they would fail, because we know Ben doesn’t die. However, any of the characters can die because 1977 is their present. Maybe a baby Hurley is alive somewhere in the world in 1977 too, and we know he doesn’t die, but the adult Hurley can die.
This doesn’t really make sense though, because if they really wanted to, they could kill him If you went back in time to your younger self, how easily would it be to kill your younger self? For me I walked to school alone as an 11 year old so it’d be very very easy for me to find and kill my younger self Even if that meant grabbing myself into a van and using a chainsaw to decapitate myself to ensure I was dead (sorry for the graphic description) If someone really wanted young Ben dead, they could manage it
@@MasonOfLife You don't seem to be able to understand the implication of you killing your young self. You simply can't do it because if you suceed, you won't be able to go back in time as a grown up, therefore, you will not exist to kill your young self. Imagine that you've been born in the year 2000 and in 2050 you go back to 2010 to kill yourself as a 10 y.o. If you could, you won't be alive to time travel in 2050 back to 2010, got it? You can, however, die in the past because, for you, it's the present time and your future is not set up yet.
If you tried to kill your younger self, you would remember that happening as a kid and you would have survived, otherwise you wouldn't be around to do it. The very assumption that you HAVE a younger self means you failed to kill your younger self. Whatever happened, happened. You are not dead, so you were never killed. You would remember meeting your future self and remember surviving a murder attempt. Believing you have the agency to go back in time and change the future is an illusion, because you already did, and you survived
This is why I hate time travel being introduced in stories... It never really makes sense lol They probably put this in because the writers had this exact argument 😂
At least this time travel showcases the Novikov self-consistency principle, which I consider the least confusing because you can't change the past at all.
Ben doesn't remember being tortured by Sayid because when he got inside the temple as a kid to cure himself from being shot, he was pratically reborn again. He had no recollection of what happened (himself being shot). Dogen himself says so before getting Ben inside the temple !!!!
Luis Alberto Rotondo Why doesn't Richard Alpert remember talking to sawyer (as LaFleur)? He would recognize him when they took him to the hydra, among other instances..
@tlqkf No it's because they were making shit up as they went along and they forgot about that particular plot point so it, along with 90% of the other mysteries, went unanswered.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 your profile picture makes you look like a woman in her late 30s but you are being childish and bitchy to people in UA-cam comments over??? Nothing? Perhaps you should grow up and start acting like you're 38 not 8 🙄
Ha! this could easily be a conversation between Damon Lidelof and Carlton Cuse. I can just imagine them getting high and thinking about the season five arc months before shooting and having this exchange. Like one of them takes a big hit and goes "remind me again how this time travel thing works".
Whenever I talk about "lampshading" and people aren't familiar with the concept, I refer them to this scene, because it's one of the finest and most illustrative examples of the practice. It's played for laughs and confusion, and as such is a really enjoyable moment in the show, but it also superficially armors them against being criticized for that particular plot hole/fridge logic.
But what you don't realize is that this and other examples of lampshading on _Lost_ (which Hugo is a master, yet scarcely the only practitioner, of) are clues to the actual plot, which is that these characters are all perpetrating a Big Store grift -- a long con involving many co-conspirators. There was no time travel, there were just a few characters knocked out and relocated among shills who'd convey to them that they'd jumped in time. Recall references on the show to "candidates"? They meant it as in the Richard Condon novel of brainwashing, _The Manchurian Candidate_ . The "candidates" are those who are not in on the scam. The characters in the clip here are all in on it, trying to get their story straight.
Because the writers made it up as they went along. When they cast Ben for four episodes in season 2 they hadn't written 3,4,5 or 6. They made it up as they went along so this was tongue in cheek and they got out of it by saying Ben wouldn't remember anything when he woke up.
Lost Ghost Nights TV Channel it’s called a Retcon, everything long-form does it. And of course they didn’t have it all planned in advance - they didn’t even know that the show would go beyond one season and to be fair they never claimed that they did either. They knew how it would end - with the direct parallel between the opening and closing scene and the eye opening and closing. They planned each season out before filming which is clear by how tightly events unfold within each season. An impressive feat considering it’s a Network television show and how little time they would have had to do so (Network is still scripting and filming when episodes premiere versus Cable programming where the entire season is already filmed before it premieres).
Why can't anyone connect what actually happened? Can't people remember that Ben went to the Tempel with Richard to survive where he would forget about everything? There's even a UA-cam clip of that part
It took me awhile to understand what Miles was explaining but, once I understood, it makes perfect sense (as long as all time is happening at once to explain how it happened the “first” time).
Yeah, his explanation was not that great, but it really is the only reasonable form of time travel I've seen in any piece of fiction. Everybody gets older, they still retain their memories. Ben is a kid in this time period, and we've already seen him as an adult, so we know he doesn't die. But Hurley and Miles are older here in the 70s. The things they already did in the 00s, they did as younger people, and whatever happens to them now isn't going to change that.
So much better than Jack and Kate's shitty mundane dialogues about how "strange it is to be back" whilst they awkwardly sigh and breathe heavily on one another.
I think our perceptions change with age in some ways, and also obviosly our memories over time sort of vary in accuracy. Our brains try to make sense of the world, so our brain won't make that connection, or if we do, we will dismiss it.
Finally an accurate explanation of time travel. You can't go back and change anything, because if you did, it would already be your current past, and future.
Why would you need answers when the most important things relies on the characters evolving? Lost is not just mystery, smokes monsters, foot statues and number which give you bad luck, the characters are important too. They are more important than just boring answers that explain everything. Also, I think is better and more fun to come up with your own theories than just giving you the answers.
Hurley is a sci fi fan. This really shouldn’t be hard for him To understand. Makes perfect sense to me but I’ve been watching time travel fiction since before I started school.
He can't remember because before Richard took Ben and took him to the temple he told Kate that he wouldn't be the same and he wouldn't remember anything.
The reason why Ben couldn't remember Sayid is because it technically hadn't happened yet. The Sayid who tortured Ben hadn't travelled back yet. Even though it always happened to ben. It hadn't happened yet for Sayid.
That only explains why Sayid didn't remember. Ben still should have remembered because it did happen to him and Lost runs on a fixed timeline with the Novikov self-consistency principle meaning what the time travelers did have always happened before they went back in time.
@cruman87 the ironic thing is that it's Sayid's fault that Ben became who he became...Sayid shot Ben in order to change the future and prevent Ben in become the leader of the others, however, in doing so he inderectly sent young Ben to the others since Jack refused to help the kid, which led to Kate bringing him to the Others = you can't change the past or the future, 'cause whatever you do in the past happened, so the future will still be as it always has been
Miles: "Now, your looking at now now. " Hurley:" What happened to then?" Miles: " We past then." Hurley: " When?" Miles: "Just now." Hurley:" When will then be now?" Miles: "Soon."
@HolyoakeD wow, you ask me now... its been long since the show ended but luckily there is the page collecting it all: seachr for "lost wikia" then "Unanswered_questions"
I've been binge watching the live action version of "Avatar- The Last Airbender", so when I see the character Zhao still pretty much all I see is Miles hahahaha
There's a similar example of this with Ben and sayid. Why doesn't Daniel russo remember jin who brought her to the radio tower when she was pregnant. So 16 years later when they crash to the island she doesn't recognize him. Why's that
@Ishidasouken The show answered everything. To quot an "unanswered question" on that page, "If Cindy was with Charlie when the plane crashed, how did she end up with the Tailies?" Enough said.
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lol they sound like two fans of Lost arguing.
Lmao 😂
And maybe that's exactly WHY they writers/directors put this scene in there. To essentially have the characters explain the "rules" of time travel to the audience. It's a pity that Avengers: Endgame mentioned Back to the Future but did NOT mention LOST. Also, I feel they did this to instill the idea that all our Oceanic survivors (those left anyway) are still in peril and can in fact die and aren't future protected.
@@victorpradha9946 I agree with everything you said! And I also think, with the exception of the alternate timelines created in Endgame, their explanations for time travel were pretty similar. You’d think Hulk would’ve mentioned Lost, lol.
@@MsVamPireChic Maybe Lost wasn't notable enough? I mean, Rhodey and Scott listed off movies where changing the past can make you disappear. Endgame's rules follow multiversal rules. Lost's rules are different where all your time-travel actions have already happened on the same timeline. Lost's rules is more like what happened when Harry and Hermione rescued Buckbeak and Sirius in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
@@SeanWheeler100endgame is probably the simplest one. You travek back in time but that instantly creates a separate branched timeline. But your original timeline remains unchanged.
Harry Potter and LOST sound simple as well with the concept of whatever happened, happened. But it gets a little more complicated once you start to think about it.
Back To The Future and Xmen DOFP are also pretty complicated.
I feel like this show doesn't get enough credit for how good the comedy is. Hurley, Miles and Sawyer especially makes me laugh in almost every episode
Miles was a good addiction to the show
6 years too late, but don't you mean addition?
@@MystmaxkinnTV Love to correct strangers' typos?
@@MystmaxkinnTV or it was a Freudian slip! "Addiction to the show" is what a lot of LOSTS fans experienced.
F yeah
Miles put Sawyer for competition with the jokes & jabs at ppl lol
Miles was funnier, Sawyer had the name callings & was gloating most of the time or being really grumpy & territorial
"Ask my more questions about time travel" hahaa funny miles
Lmao I love how the scene ends “ask me more questions about time travel” Miles is hilarious! YOU DINGBAT!
Right😂
Well the scene ends with Juliet ambushing Jack in the shower...but Miles and Hurley's exchange ends (for us anyway) with the ask me more questions about time travel bit.
He wants more questions about time travel because he needs to get his story straight. _Lost_ is full of scenes of characters getting their stories straight. For instance, when Kate and the marshal were in a car together -- working together, of course -- they went over her supposed story for us to hear. She isn't even the real Kate! The original Kate was blown up along with her boyfriend in a house, while we saw this lookalike Kate get away on a motorcycle.
Lmao, I love his pompous condescending attitude towards Hurley, and how it's immediately dropped when Hurley says something that contradicts him for once.
I love how Hurley never takes it personally. He never really gets riled up, except that one time when Sawyer was messing with him, when Hurley saw Dave from the institution (back in LA) on the Island.
No
It’s kinda sad that he’s so used to it
Funniest scene from the whole series. And from two of the best characters.
The "dead Pakistani" moment was great too.
Another great Hurley/Miles moment is on "Some Like It Hoth" where Hurley says Miles might get to meet baby him and get to change his own diaper. And also when Miles reads Hurley's Star Wars script. Hilarious
which part is that
Yes! Lol!!
OMG This got me LMAO! I'm glad I didn't drink too much liquid or eat too much or I'd pee or shit myself laughing! This is more than gold, platinum, diamonds, it's gonna be a legend. 100% agree with you...AND MORE!...(What I'm gonna say next...🤣🤣🤣🤣 one of the most hilarious quote in the entire series, if not the #1😂😂😂)
I want to hate Miles but he grows on you.
Why would you want to hate him lol
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 he was annoying in the beginning
@@clocko2700 he was always annoying but he’s one of those characters who you can’t really hate
noo he's the best
How can you hate miles he’s so adorable!
I love the way Hurley folds his arms at the end like he's so proud of himself
Linus got shot by Sayid before Richard took him to the temple. Linus would lose all of his memories after the temple, and that's why Linus can't remember Sayid.
Did you ever think that Miles and Hugo, realizing the flaw in their "time travel" scam, decided to have Linus go thru that (it being another bit of fakery) because Hugo picked out this problem?
MILES WAS THE MOST FUNNY FO SHO:
"i don't beleve in a lot of things but i do beleve in DUCT TAPE!"
serisously how briljant!
Omg 😂 the way hurley say "AHA" its soo funny i cant 😂😂😂😂
Juliet slamming the door in their faces at the end. 😂
Bored Jack in the backround is hilarious!
They have the most interesting discussion ever possible and Jack isn't interested.
He only gets interested when he can "fix" things or otherwise he gets depressed.
That's because Jack (at least this one; he has a double who's a brilliant neurosurgeon, as in "The Perfect Operation" episode of _Department S_ ) is not the skilled confidence man Hugo and Miles are. Jack's specialty is sleight of hand.
Hurley Logic, Bitches !
I love talking about time travel!
I loved this show....or will in the future ..again
Juliet at the end LOL
These two should have their own TV show.
I love the look on Miles's face when Hurley stumps him. Perfection.
"(...) and therefore dude... we don't exist."
The comedic timing on this line... 😂😂😂
Good lord I love this scene.
"Ha, then your theory is.. wrong! "
I like Hugos nonchalant gesture while saying this.
man, i remember when the best friends used to be Hurley and Charlie, now is Miles.
Every single conversatión about time travelling in this show are hilarious.
it was stated that due to the accident he lost his memory from that time around
this was the funniest scene lmao
"Once Ben turned that wheel, time isn't in a straight line anymore."
Nope people assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect but actually from a non-linear, non subject viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly.... timey Wimey....stuff
+1. I see what you did there, Doctor.
mady hendy Are you trying to say that time is a flat circle?
Nope, time is actually cannabis, you never have enough and you always run out of it.
It’s back to Avengers Endgame time travel explained
Nobody cares about Jack and Kate who were watching them)))
A broken clock is right twice a day. Hurley rocks.
I love how the way they cover a plot hole is just to mention it straight up.
It's not a hole in the *real* plot, but a clue to the real plot because it's a hole in the *apparent* plot, which is full of false appearances.
@@goodmaro It's not really a hole in any plot. By all accounts, Miles was exactly right. The things he said were reinforced by the show repeatedly. There are plenty of possible explanations as to why Ben didn't mention Sayid. Time distorts memories, it's entirely possible that he simply didn't recognize Sayid. Or maybe he did recognize him, but didn't mention it. By the time Ben is an adult, he understands quite a bit about the island and may not even be surprised by the idea of time travel, and it's actually completely in line with his character to keep his mouth shut about something like that.
@@RunstarHomer Sure, Miles was right because he *made* it right. The characters on _Lost_ , in their effort to fool the "(Manchurian) candidates" into thinking they'd traveled in time to witness past events, had to make sure not to create contradictions that would spoil the illusion. But Ben is the easiest of all, not being a "candidate" but being the scammer behind things; his story of having been on the island as a child is entirely made up by him.
@@goodmaro Oh, I remember responding to you posting that theory in another comment. I didn't realize you were the same person. And I still have absolutely no idea how you came up with that story lol
@@RunstarHomer he was brought to the temple where jacobs brother/ Smokey healed him and thats why he doesn't remember sayid. He changed after that and probably lost memory of sayid shooting him due to Smokeys ability to manipulate people's minds
"That's really confusing,"
"Yeah, well get used to it."
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's so meta!
We all usually experience time in order from past to present. The years pass in order eg 2007 then 2008 then 2009.
What has happened here is that the characters’ time is no longer passing in order. They went from 2004 to 2005 to 2006 to 2007 to 1977. So, even though they think of 1977 as being “the past”, it is currently their present.
Even though 1977 is their present, they know what 2007 is like because they’ve been in that time. They know that adult Ben is alive and well in 2007 and therefore they know that he doesn’t die in 1977. They could try all they want to kill him but they would fail, because we know Ben doesn’t die.
However, any of the characters can die because 1977 is their present. Maybe a baby Hurley is alive somewhere in the world in 1977 too, and we know he doesn’t die, but the adult Hurley can die.
Exactly!👏👏👌
This doesn’t really make sense though, because if they really wanted to, they could kill him
If you went back in time to your younger self, how easily would it be to kill your younger self? For me I walked to school alone as an 11 year old so it’d be very very easy for me to find and kill my younger self
Even if that meant grabbing myself into a van and using a chainsaw to decapitate myself to ensure I was dead (sorry for the graphic description)
If someone really wanted young Ben dead, they could manage it
@@MasonOfLife You don't seem to be able to understand the implication of you killing your young self. You simply can't do it because if you suceed, you won't be able to go back in time as a grown up, therefore, you will not exist to kill your young self. Imagine that you've been born in the year 2000 and in 2050 you go back to 2010 to kill yourself as a 10 y.o. If you could, you won't be alive to time travel in 2050 back to 2010, got it? You can, however, die in the past because, for you, it's the present time and your future is not set up yet.
If you go back in time to kill yourself, how do you even exist to begin with to be able to go back and kill yourself?
If you tried to kill your younger self, you would remember that happening as a kid and you would have survived, otherwise you wouldn't be around to do it.
The very assumption that you HAVE a younger self means you failed to kill your younger self. Whatever happened, happened. You are not dead, so you were never killed. You would remember meeting your future self and remember surviving a murder attempt.
Believing you have the agency to go back in time and change the future is an illusion, because you already did, and you survived
This is why I hate time travel being introduced in stories... It never really makes sense lol
They probably put this in because the writers had this exact argument 😂
They just wanted an excuse to showcase the Dharma Initiative, because it's the best part of the show.
At least this time travel showcases the Novikov self-consistency principle, which I consider the least confusing because you can't change the past at all.
Ben doesn't remember being tortured by Sayid because when he got inside the temple as a kid to cure himself from being shot, he was pratically reborn again. He had no recollection of what happened (himself being shot). Dogen himself says so before getting Ben inside the temple !!!!
+Luis Alberto Rotondo It wasn't Dogen who took him inside the temple. It was Richard.
Luis Alberto Rotondo Why doesn't Richard Alpert remember talking to sawyer (as LaFleur)? He would recognize him when they took him to the hydra, among other instances..
Richard did remember everything. He just didn't say anything about this.
@@juggernautcanuk9320 he knew he just keep that to himself, simple like he found out that that was the course of events he had to set in motion
Did they ever explain why Danielle Rousseau didn't remember meeting Jin back in the 80's?
@tlqkf No it's because they were making shit up as they went along and they forgot about that particular plot point so it, along with 90% of the other mysteries, went unanswered.
Do you remember someone you met once in the 80s?
@@drfell9105 Just because you can't understand something, doesn't mean they "made shit up". Only means you are MORON. They tied everything nicely.
@Manuj Madan Yeah so? It was existential and deep as the whole series actually. You'll understand when you grow up. Maybe.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 your profile picture makes you look like a woman in her late 30s but you are being childish and bitchy to people in UA-cam comments over??? Nothing? Perhaps you should grow up and start acting like you're 38 not 8 🙄
Miles nailed the whole show!! Just listen and trust.
I think watching this season made watching River Song’s story so much easier.
Oh, Miles and Hurley, LOL
Ha! this could easily be a conversation between Damon Lidelof and Carlton Cuse. I can just imagine them getting high and thinking about the season five arc months before shooting and having this exchange. Like one of them takes a big hit and goes "remind me again how this time travel thing works".
I would love to see Hugo explaining his time travel theories to Tony Stark 🤣
When Sayid met Ben for the first time the look on Bens face was not of surprise. Watch the episode again :) more like "ohhh you"
I read somewhere that Ben had a brief loss of memory due to the trauma
Whenever I talk about "lampshading" and people aren't familiar with the concept, I refer them to this scene, because it's one of the finest and most illustrative examples of the practice. It's played for laughs and confusion, and as such is a really enjoyable moment in the show, but it also superficially armors them against being criticized for that particular plot hole/fridge logic.
That's really interesting, thank you!!
But what you don't realize is that this and other examples of lampshading on _Lost_ (which Hugo is a master, yet scarcely the only practitioner, of) are clues to the actual plot, which is that these characters are all perpetrating a Big Store grift -- a long con involving many co-conspirators. There was no time travel, there were just a few characters knocked out and relocated among shills who'd convey to them that they'd jumped in time. Recall references on the show to "candidates"? They meant it as in the Richard Condon novel of brainwashing, _The Manchurian Candidate_ . The "candidates" are those who are not in on the scam. The characters in the clip here are all in on it, trying to get their story straight.
@@goodmaro That makes absolutely no sense in the context of the show.
Hugo's knows nothing about time travelling, does he?!
Hahahahahh but he had a point!
omg i love miles
I went back in time to remind myself to watch this clip in 2021, but I already watched this clip because changing my past had no impact on my future.
when this episode camed out before .. i did think that this was the best conversation they ever had in lost .
After Miles left the island, he dyed his hair blonde and gave Chris Tucker a handkerchief to wipe himself off because he was bleeding.
and also developed a heavy Chinese accent
I’m under the impression that, when Miles left the island, he needed John Reese to get him out of a spot of bother with the Aryan Brotherhood.
I always thought he developed a strange mutation that caused spikes to protrude from his body before being vaporized by a raging Phoenix Grey.
And then he teamed up with Danny Glover to hunt down the Jigsaw killer
new spinoff the adventures of miles and hurley as they travel through time saving the day
Hurley was so fucking great
Hurley smashes thru the fourth wall like the kool aid guy; w/ total grace & majesty 🙏
Juliette at the end lol Like she got pissed off of their talking
This conversation can really help you understand the flash sideways as well!!!
These 2 make me laugh when they argue.
Miles is great
Miles won the argument.
Because the writers made it up as they went along. When they cast Ben for four episodes in season 2 they hadn't written 3,4,5 or 6. They made it up as they went along so this was tongue in cheek and they got out of it by saying Ben wouldn't remember anything when he woke up.
Lost Ghost Nights TV Channel it’s called a Retcon, everything long-form does it.
And of course they didn’t have it all planned in advance - they didn’t even know that the show would go beyond one season and to be fair they never claimed that they did either.
They knew how it would end - with the direct parallel between the opening and closing scene and the eye opening and closing.
They planned each season out before filming which is clear by how tightly events unfold within each season. An impressive feat considering it’s a Network television show and how little time they would have had to do so (Network is still scripting and filming when episodes premiere versus Cable programming where the entire season is already filmed before it premieres).
Why can't anyone connect what actually happened? Can't people remember that Ben went to the Tempel with Richard to survive where he would forget about everything? There's even a UA-cam clip of that part
So glad do you post it
I find it very obvious that future Ben didn't recognize some guy he saw whilst being a kid tens of years ago. Who would remember?!
It took me awhile to understand what Miles was explaining but, once I understood, it makes perfect sense (as long as all time is happening at once to explain how it happened the “first” time).
Yeah, his explanation was not that great, but it really is the only reasonable form of time travel I've seen in any piece of fiction. Everybody gets older, they still retain their memories. Ben is a kid in this time period, and we've already seen him as an adult, so we know he doesn't die. But Hurley and Miles are older here in the 70s. The things they already did in the 00s, they did as younger people, and whatever happens to them now isn't going to change that.
So much better than Jack and Kate's shitty mundane dialogues about how "strange it is to be back" whilst they awkwardly sigh and breathe heavily on one another.
And you hope they used mouthwash because the way they looked, they'd be pretty rank!
Lol I love Miles in this scene.
Did anyone else notice that Jack sits down, but seconds later, he's in the kitchen messing around? Talk about time traveling...
I think our perceptions change with age in some ways, and also obviosly our memories over time sort of vary in accuracy. Our brains try to make sense of the world, so our brain won't make that connection, or if we do, we will dismiss it.
1.14 onwards sounds exactly like the conversation I had with a friend who was trying to explain "The Time Traveller's Wife" to me.
These two ❤️
Finally an accurate explanation of time travel. You can't go back and change anything, because if you did, it would already be your current past, and future.
I love that Miles is always angry.
Why would you need answers when the most important things relies on the characters evolving? Lost is not just mystery, smokes monsters, foot statues and number which give you bad luck, the characters are important too. They are more important than just boring answers that explain everything. Also, I think is better and more fun to come up with your own theories than just giving you the answers.
Their argument sounds like the writers figured out there are way too many questions and issues in the timeline. lol
Such a mindfuck
ahahah the ending is the best part! great episode.
11 years wow
Hurley is a sci fi fan. This really shouldn’t be hard for him
To understand.
Makes perfect sense to me but I’ve been watching time travel fiction since before I started school.
This was a great season.
“Wth are you doing TUBBY?” LMFAOOOOOO
So basically they're not in the past but in the present. However their present goes back in time and to the future
He can't remember because before Richard took Ben and took him to the temple he told Kate that he wouldn't be the same and he wouldn't remember anything.
The reason why Ben couldn't remember Sayid is because it technically hadn't happened yet. The Sayid who tortured Ben hadn't travelled back yet. Even though it always happened to ben. It hadn't happened yet for Sayid.
That only explains why Sayid didn't remember. Ben still should have remembered because it did happen to him and Lost runs on a fixed timeline with the Novikov self-consistency principle meaning what the time travelers did have always happened before they went back in time.
I'm still in season 5, but that explains Ben, but why doesn't Danielle Rosseau remember Jinn or Ethan remember John Locke?
@cruman87 the ironic thing is that it's Sayid's fault that Ben became who he became...Sayid shot Ben in order to change the future and prevent Ben in become the leader of the others, however, in doing so he inderectly sent young Ben to the others since Jack refused to help the kid, which led to Kate bringing him to the Others = you can't change the past or the future, 'cause whatever you do in the past happened, so the future will still be as it always has been
I miss this show.
Miles: "Now, your looking at now now. " Hurley:" What happened to then?" Miles: " We past then." Hurley: " When?" Miles: "Just now." Hurley:" When will then be now?" Miles: "Soon."
@HolyoakeD wow, you ask me now... its been long since the show ended
but luckily there is the page collecting it all:
seachr for "lost wikia" then "Unanswered_questions"
Miles totally right !
I've been binge watching the live action version of "Avatar- The Last Airbender", so when I see the character Zhao still pretty much all I see is Miles hahahaha
This episode was the director way of explaining the whole show to us , cos alot of us couldn't understand it
There's a similar example of this with Ben and sayid.
Why doesn't Daniel russo remember jin who brought her to the radio tower when she was pregnant. So 16 years later when they crash to the island she doesn't recognize him. Why's that
You recognize people from 16 years ago?
Because all asians look the same
The temple reset ben’s memory
he improved his English since Rush Hour
Miles was right though because if his theory was wrong, Hurley would’ve never found the van with Bens dead dad in it who he killed.
Miles won because ben lost his memory when he was healed. Miles has always been right.
I still don't know how Miles survive and got off the island. Never knew he was THAT important.
dis was de best :D
this ties in well with the multi-verse theory
No, the multiverse has alternate timelines. Lost has only one timeline and the alternate timeline in season 6 was an afterlife.
LOL i just saw this episode last night on netflix. funny ass shit.
"Your maniac Iraqi buddy"! Damn, this wouldn't pass today!
Well… Sayid was from Iraq.
@Ishidasouken The show answered everything. To quot an "unanswered question" on that page, "If Cindy was with Charlie when the plane crashed, how did she end up with the Tailies?" Enough said.
lmao. i love this moment
10 years woooooooooooooooow
"shoot me. please please." i feel him on so many levels lksahfljgdg;jd;g