Why You CAN Learn Japanese With Anime
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- Anime is your friend not food :)
Intro: (0:00)
Common Takes: (0:45)
Anime Frequency List Breakdown: (10:22)
Anime & Language Learning Research: (19:45)
Learning Resources: (29:56)
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Learning Resources: (explanations included when necessary)
Voracious:voracious.app/
Explantation:docs.google.com/document/d/1a...
Anki:apps.ankiweb.net/
Explantation:
docs.google.com/document/d/1c...
Yomichan:chrome.google.com/webstore/de...
Explantation:docs.google.com/document/d/1N...
Delvin:delvinlanguage.com/groups/
Super Native:supernative.tv/ja/
Hayai Learn:www.hayailearn.com
JDPB:jpdb.io
Akebi:play.google.com/store/apps/de...
Explanation:docs.google.com/document/d/1E...
\Shirabe:ricoapps.com/
Explantation:
docs.google.com/document/d/11...
Works Cited (UA-cam’s character limit prevented me from putting the full works cited, so here is a link):
docs.google.com/document/d/1R...
Resources:
Alternate titles:
How To Learn Japanese With Anime
Is it Possible to Learn Japanese From Anime?
How is it Possible to Learn Japanese From Anime?
Is Anime a Good Learning Resource?
Is Anime Natural?
Does Anime Have Natural Japanese?
Does Anime Have Unnatural Japanese?
Is Anime Unnatural?
How Do I Learn Japanese from Anime?
What is the Best Way to Learn Japanese?
What is the Best Way to Learn from Anime?
What is the Best Way to Learn Japanese?
Keywords:
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Akebi
Shirabe
Tags:
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Apologies for the long wait, hope you enjoy the video! If you are interested in reading any of the research/frequency list data or using any of the mentioned resources in the video, make sure to check out the description!
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Also the text for the correction at 10:33: Toppan Publishing ranking on left, compared with the others. As Toppan is the second largest publisher in Japan, in effect this still represents a large enough swath of Japanese to be thought of as a representative set of general Japanese vocab. My bad :(
What? You want to learn English with Star Wars? That's ludicrous! The characters speak in stilted, unnatural English.
80% of my Japanese learning is from anime (20% youtube videos & google translate), so I'm in the camp that one can learn Japanese through Anime.
Now, for the critics, I do understand where they come from, which is impolite Japanese used in anime, but I think this could be easily corrected once a person have some command over the language.
For me, it turns out that rather than montone of normal conversation, abnormal variations of anime conversation is much easier to remember and fun as well.
Lol the funniest part about the critiques of anime being a poor way to learn Japanese is that majority of the motivation to even start learning in the first place comes from it. That said great vid guys
For real, haha
'Ore' being the second most used kanji in shonen makes sense but still surprises me. Many characters don't use it at all and I imagined its use could be avoided more easily than words that use the other kanji.
The full list of all the rankings is in the description! There are definitely a lot of "Oh, I didn't expect that" moments, haha.
This channel is so small and thats INSANE. This is one of the most concise and well prepared informative videos on a ‘controversial’ topic I’ve ever seen. The sources, studies, and analysis are all excellent, and the fact that you take things from all angles so there are no questions left unanswered is TOP tier. I just went through 3 of your videos and this one was so good I had to leave a comment. All that’s to say, you make some quality content dude, seriously.
Really appreciate the kind comment!
Many great channels start with small creators who decide to make content as if they were a large channel. Most of the best channels are small.
Anime has really clear and easy to hear pronunciations. That's very nice for beginners.
How is this channel so small? You make excellent videos about what it's like to learn Japanese from an insider veteran's perspective. I'm in this journey myself and your videos help bring another perspective and approach towards the inattainable fluency level.
I assume I am bad at SEO, thumbnails, titling or something of the like, haha. But I'm trying to improve. Appreciate the kind words! Feel free to share the video 😂
I learned English through the things i like which is gameplay commentary videos.
Most of the things they said is not often shown up in textbooks but i still manage to learn the language despite it being "unnatural".
I think you just ended up calling most language teachers ineffective and I for one agree. With so many ways to learn things and all the resources available it kind of calls into to question most of our education system. Lot of great resources included in this video I can feel the extra time put in well done.
Haha, in some way's I may or may not have been calling out some teachers, in other ways, researchers are the ones that are calling out teachers, haha. How weird is it to be researching a field where almost non of your research is put into practice😂
Thank you for this video and the level of research that you put into this! ✨
IT'S FINALLY HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome video. Very cool to see all of the data put into video form!
Dude I only just started watching this (came straight from your other video) but holy shit, the effort you put in to each video is immediately apparent. You 100% deserve any success that comes your way, I’m rooting for you homie.
Thanks so much! I feel like I have finally figured out what kind of videos I want to make (which I haven't made yet funny enough) which is why I think'll you'll notice a lot of variance in video style (especially across my earlier videos). Well that and I can't bear to watch some of my earlier vids as the quality isn't up to what I want it to be. But I think that means I'm improving😂
my friend recently showed me a video a girl who turns out to be quite popular in my country. But anyways, the video was of her explaining how she's been watching anime for 10 years and has never left her hometown but can speak fluent Japanese due to anime; she also nailed the accent while talking and the background video was of her writing in Japanese.
I guess that's pretty cool.
The compilation of websites and apps might have been just what I needed to get back into learning Japanese, thank you so much!!
It's a shame ,that such a good video, gets such few views, man
keep it up!
1000 Subs おめでとうございます
The data analysis was great! Earned a sub with that level of investigation to this question.
i found your channel on a whim, and i am so glad
Just found your channel yesterday, you make really good content, looking forward to watching more. Keep up the good work!
Appreciate the kind words! Currently in the process of finalizing a script for my next vid! From what its looking like it will be a lot of work though😂
Nice vid! I dunno, I’ve spoken to Japanese people who learned English through watching Logan Paul and stuff and it hurt at little 😅
But yeah with anything, you just need context and a little bit of guidance. My Japanese friend is learning English with “Adventure Time” and she often checks with me to ask if something is natural or often used, and a lot of the time it is.
Though this is my theory, I think as your Japanese level increases, you notice a lot of the cringe and chuuni aspects of anime and this may cause some of the criticism when using anime as a tool. Like if someone told you they were gonna learn English exclusively/mainly from Reality TV I think most of us would chuckle at the thought. I personally think to get the most out of anime, you already have to be intermediate level, but that’s just me. There’s no harm in using it to get exposure or pic up you words. You many not be able to use some words of obscure kanji in conversation, but it will help you when you want to read a novel or newspaper article.
Yeah, I for sure think that as you get better at a language it is easier to get benefits from natural content, but one of the biggest pulls for anime at any level is how engaging it is (which is why anime and manga are used to learn other languages). A big reason that the research that is being done on anime is being done is because anime is by in large the largest reason that people get into learning Japanese (something like over 70% of learners). Appreciate the comment!
❤super helpful! thank you!!!
i can tell you work hard on your videos, it really shows! keep up the good work man, you get my like and sub
thanks so much!
I love your channel! It's amazing the effort that you put in every video, keep up the hard work! :D
Thanks so much, this video took a whole lot of time to make, so I appreciate that people appreciate that 😀
@@lazyfluency Are you planning on doing a video about your journey with japanese language? I think that kind of content is very interesting :D
Maybe in the future!
Amazing video.
Thankyou for your amazing video content, for me personally more comfort watching anime and japanese content or podcast. Most people dont watch other genre that more like slice of life that is show more conversation or other anime and one my favorite anime is fuwe no amu.
Thanks! Fune Wo Amu is great! I actually indirectly shoutout it out as "shows about the art of making dictionaries." It's one of my favorite shows to pitch given how boring it sounds on face value, haha.
Your channel is going to blow up.
By the end of September, I'll be in Japan for my master's degree. I'm already starting studying it on my own, at least of hiragana/katakana and basic phares and words (also, in more than 20 years of anime and manga, I already learned various expressions). When I'll arrive in Japan, the first thing I'll do is going to the Book-Off near the university and praying to find the 14 volumes of Love Hina, one of my favourite manga since when I was a child. I know it as my own hands and I'll probably bring together with me my own copies of those volumes, in my native language. So, this way, I'll slowly approach to the japanese version and start learning from it to read fluently, together with various every-day expressions (Love Hina has various strange/absurd situation, but at the end of the day it is a normal slice of life in a modern Japan, so a lot of phares will be pretty standard and common).
That sounds awesome! Best of luck!
The amount of research you've done for this video is amazing! Lots of interesting resources to check out as well. Thank you!
Well. I'm subbing. This is quality
7:40 yes! It’s a medium, an art movement, that sort of thing not a genre on its own! As an artist it bugs me to imagine people thinking **anime itself** is a genre 😭
Deserves more views❤
I love it. High quality and effort put into the research and editing is definitely felt.
Unfortunately, this was all unnatural english so I won't be able to learn the language.
People do be like that though, lol. When I shot the latter part of the video where I mention that I am editing, I actually had to re record it multiple times because I forgot that I need to speak much louder and in a specific register so that my audio matches that of the previously recorded video, haha.
@lazyfluency Heck yeah. You did the thing!
I remember student teaching when I was told basically to speak in a higher register with more inflection because that you're literally difficult to understand if not. If you want to see a drastic switch from natural to unnatural, sit in a band directors office when a student walks in the room.
That and I think one of the worst things I've ever had to do was edit a podcast where everyone spoke "naturally" and without any bullet points, topics, or goals. The amount of "umm tss" I edited from this one guy is wild.
So we should all learn to speak unnaturally. That's my takeaways. I am Dio Brando now.
Ah! Thank God I subbed to this channel for quality content like this
Haha, thanks so much. Although I can't guarantee the topics of the videos I choose will always be to your liking, I can guarantee you that my goal is to make better and better content 👍
Well worth the wait! Great work, Joey!
I never understood this claim about anime Japanese being significantly different and not a good source to learn from. There are also countless of instragram vids spreading this notion and insisting on it. When i first started learning it kinda scared me, because as a self learner it's one of my main sources of input.
The more i advance, i realize it's a stupid assertion. Any reasonable person would understand phrases like [お前はもう死んでいる] are not part of the daily conversational Japanese (unless they've joined the yakuza or something), so where is this fear coming from?
If you need more - albeit anecdotal - evidence (which you don't), the vocab i pick from anime sticks the fastest in my brain. I learned English almost exclusively through watching movies and tv (but also reading a lot) and the only language i failed to pickup is Spanish, which i learned for two years only through the official uni curriculum.
Yeah, there is a lot of misinformation in the Japanese learning community. Something I have noticed is that the vast majority of content in Japanese is made by well intentioned beginners or... let's just say over zealous advanced learners. One of my goals is to provide a different lens about many notions that are taken for granted about the Japanese language and culture. Hopefully I get faster at making videos though, because the videos I want to make list is getting way too long, haha. Not to mention the 5 videos I already have basically recorded which I might not even edit (mainly due to UA-cam algorithm concerns, haha).
@@lazyfluency you really *do* get up very early! Haha
Yes, haha.
When I first tried learning Japanese, I tried to do so because of so many then unreleased games in the west, such as Persona 5 that came out 6 months before the west got it, and Yakuza 0, which came out 2 years before. I dont care whether that is proper or not I HAD SO MUCH GODDAMN FUN!
After that I sadly stopped after memorizing the JLPT5 Kanji and hiragana/katakana and some bare basic grammar. I've been inspired to pick it back up by you.
My dream is to one day work in localization.
Best of luck! Japanese can be difficult but as you mentioned it can be so much fun!
Build your lesson plan around kanji, phrases, and grammar that you will hear in a specific Anime . (Watch the Anime with the subtitles on.)
When the student watches the Anime at the end of class, they will be able to comprehend what they hear because the material in the class "set the table" for their experience .
The moment the student's hear something that was in the lesson, they will practically shout, "I know what that means ," and they will know that they have learned something .
It's a magic moment of learning for the student that increases their understanding, and confidence... and it uses Anime to do it .
It would be great if you could color code the particles and verb endings in the subtitles .
People can pick those up really quickly and spend their attention on other aspects of vocabulary and grammar instead .
This deserves all the views in the world
Appreciate the kind words!
"you cannot learn japanese from anime, it would be like learning english from watching spongebob, I mean how far you think you gonna get" lol
Is this a quote from someone? 😂
I was ready to give out, if HxH didn't appear on that list 😤
6:31 I heard of this Rakugo recently and I love it it’s hilarious
I recommend checking out 昭和元禄落語心中! Great show about Rakugo!
cool montage, can't believe that it has only 2.4k views lol
25:39 wow the sound design in this video dude, lmao. this tonal shift was so real
As soon as I saw "Food Wars" I was like "...oh no..."
I believe that you should learn using the content that you like best, whether it be anime, podcasts, or literature. Because the biggest risk in language learning is not that you will learn unnatural phrases, but that you will stop learning halfway through.
do you do your own motion graphics? i've been listening to the podcast for awhile but this is the first main channel video i've seen and it's very tight
I do everything by myself 😂
With the exception of Ayami of course for some shots!
i know it's cliche but you deserve to have many more subscribers based on how well researched and polished this video is! i've been using anki and working through genki for some time now and i'm really excited to use some of the resources you linked @@lazyfluency
Thanks so much! All I can I do is try to put out the best content I can, and hope that the UA-cam algorithm gods smile my way, haha. Make sure to check the description for additional details if you want to use any of the resources listed in the video!
At last. I finally know what fleek means
you're a hidden gem
Words of wisdom, spoken right from the language god shrine. 🙏
But is the dialogue in Pikmin natural?
asking the real questions, haha
This video is too good for the amount of attraction UA-cam is giving.
UA-cam is strange, but I'm glad that the people who do watch the video seem to enjoy it!
I have been watching anime for over a decade and I recently decided to actually learn Japanese because I found out about corruption in English localization circles and vandalism of English translations. Learning the language has given me a deeper appreciation for the mindset of the authors and the culture they've grown up with.
I don't think "weebs" are bad or weird people, and their interest in foreign media is generally a positive thing. They are consumers and participants in an exchange of ideas, and I've heard many Japanese people say they like that overseas people are interested in their culture.
The only kind of "weeb" that is a problem is the person who says "Japan should change" or "I am going to tell people this sentence means something else." Those people should not interfere and should go elsewhere.
I love these videos. Also unless you're able to just fly to and live in Japan, you kinda need to immerse yourself somehow.
I listen to music, watch/listen to anime+the news +tv shows and will be reading manga with furigana soon.
I'm relearning and so while I watch media in Japanese I try to write out words I'm able to make out in Japanese and then their meaning in Standard English and if relevant AAVE and may also start translating to Tutenese (a "dead" African American language,). For context I'm African American and I speak AAVE an English dialect and a tiny tiny bit of the dead language of my ancestors. I am from the north west with my closest ancestors and elders from the south primarily gor further context.
Why am I saying this? Well to contribute to the space but also because i agree, the idea of natural sounding one way is odd, for any language. Regions , periods of time, cultural shifts, a lot of other things can ahift what natural sounds likr. Sure certain things may sound odd if someone learns how to speak from a dramatization of daily lifr for example but idk I've met people that learned English fir example , from TV and they speak pretty well 🤷🏿.
Lol sorry for the essay but I've heard the "I won't use anime to learn" enough times to lead me to searching for a video validating my frustrations with that phrase 😂
Edit I'm not fixing the typos as of yet because I am off to the next video 😂
I appreciate the "essay", haha. I definitely feel there is too much of a fixation on being natural in language learning and doubly so in Japanese
When used as one of many tools for learning there's nothing wrong with it. If someone only has 100% immersion from anime they might sound a bit unnatural, but throw in some UA-cam here and some real conversations there and people will intuively pick up on the context of spoken the language over time. Native speakers aren't going to freak out if a learner uses a rare sentence ending they heard in an anime and small mistakes can be learned and corrected pretty easily.
Yup!
Textbooks are great tools but college relying on them is a scam. Nobody talks like that! It is way too formal from genki to tobira and your brain becomes mashed potatoes when you hear real Japanese through native speakers or anime because your are sooo used to hearing “masu” and “desu” it’s nearly impossible to hear the verbs being spoken in such a casual manner because your brain was being forced to practicing masu and desu for 4 years in college study. This basically just sets your listening comprehension up for failure.
Genki Third Edition updated to use Japanese that is more common which helps. But yeah, getting more than just text book input is super helpful for learning Japanese.
Imagine telling a Japanese person learning English that they shouldn't watch family guy because they'll end up sounding like Peter Griffin. Absolute clown world that people think this is how it works.
for real😂
Other Japanese learners: Noooo you can't learn Japanese from anime!!!! b-b-b-but what about the 役割語!!!! The pronouns and sentence endings tho!!!! are you some sort of weeaboo or something?????
Me: [looking atくノ一ツバキの胸の内] Holy shit!!! Enjoyable and comprehensible input!!! :D :D :D :D
All in all, you've made a lot of good points that are basically how I already feel about the topic: it doesn't hurt to be aware of the ways that anime Japanese non est TV newsroom Japanese non est textbook Japanese non est teenage street slang Japanese, but these differences aren't anywhere near as huge or as big a deal as people make them out to be. Because if some big burly man ends up revealing himself to be a K-ON! mega-fan because he dropped the wrong 一人称代名詞 in a sentence, then that isn't really any more embarrassing than me conflating никогда with нигде in Russian. And the whole purpose of embarrassment as an emotion is to facilitate learning anyways, right? So it's great for people to have low-anxiety ways of learning a language, and it's also great for people to realize that sounding like a dingus is actually a good thing sometimes.
And although even the most unnatural anime Japanese is still not too far from natural conversational Japanese - if someone does end up learning how to say some rare word or name before a more common one, then honestly people don't really need to learn every single word in its Zipfian order, anyways. Learning is learning! If you know more now than you did two weeks ago, then that's still progress in any case, right?
There is one more point to be made, though, which is that listening to anime Japanese is in a lot of ways different from listening to other forms of the language. In some ways anime Japanese is easier to listen to, because the characters tend to enunciate well and speak in more comprehensible sentences, at least in the anime I watch; but in other ways, anime Japanese actually is harder, because it's impossible to lip read, and the background music and sound effects will often further muddle the words in my experience. These are all things that people should consider with any potential language learning tool in general, although the most important thing is always that you're just trying at all, right?
PS: I'm glad you mentioned use of anime to learn languages other than Japanese, because this is something I've done with learning Russian, and that I've been thinking about a lot lately, with regard to the lack of audio description in English dubs of anime, and the lack of subs/dubs of anime in Norwegian, my co-native language. The more readily apparent uses of AD in anime would be for blind accessibility, but AD can also be massively useful for language learners; likewise in a language like Norwegian, anime subs/dubs are most obviously useful for children and the elderly, since English proficiency is high here - but being able to enjoy anime and manga in Norwegian would also be a source of engaging and accessible content for learning Norwegian as a second language, especially for people who already are fans of anime and manga. Many immigrants here speak neither English nor Norwegian when they first arrive, and naturally focus on learning the latter first.
Wow, your comment has a lot of awesome stuff I want to reply to (which I might do so later on, haha). My brain is kinda fried atm given that it was a grind to get this video out, haha. One thing I will say is that there were a lot more thoughts that I had on this subject and even what I did mention was a heavily condensed version of what I wanted to say, lol. Great comment!
Japanese video games are so good and better than anime
3:25 4:55 What is the source of this video?
ua-cam.com/video/dleYTXsRKA0/v-deo.htmlsi=vS5XZ-RwfHvwk924
@@lazyfluencyThanks!
Hey joey where the hell is the new video??
Haha, thanks for the comment! It will actually be finished today! I am a day short, but I did get hit with the flu for the past week and a half which made things hard 😂
0:34 personally I just don’t think it’s all that productive. Not just cuz there’s ways of talking that people don’t do irl but cuz it’s not the same as immersion or even comprehensive input. I think it needs to be paired with something else to really be helpful.
Any chance this is the wrong timestamp? Not sure what you are referring to?
文ストは青年なアニメ🤬 少年なアニメじゃない！！！
「青年」と「少年」は色んな意味があると思うんだけど、少なくとも「少年向けの掲載誌にでたことあるなら少年シリーズと言える」と言う視点からすると「月刊少年エース」にでたことある文豪ストレイドッグスは少年ジャンルに入ると言えるでしょう😀
WOW Got reccomended your channel from the kanji iceberg & subsequently checked out your other videos. Your content is awesome, keep posting consistently and you will surely blow up. Do you have a discord server or something? Would be great to talk more
Thanks for the kind words! I intend on making a discord, but I don't have one at the moment!
redditとかでずっと不毛な議論してるよね
アニメ好きならアニメで学べばいいじゃん
redditは不毛な議論のためのサイトだからしょうがないかもね笑