Kor, as far as feeling represented as a trans woman, you cannot beat "Oh Curzon, my beloved old friend...." " I'm Jadzia now" " Oh well, Jadzia, my beloved old friend!" . Still brings tears to my eyes.
I can't believe that you skipped over Quark's most epic of verbal burns: "I am Quark, son of Keldar, and I have come to answer the challenge of D'Ghor, son of... whatever."
That is kind of Worf's character arc. He is constantly seen as unworthy by the Klingon elite for not living up to their standards, but he's actually the only one who is still striving for the ideals of honor that none of them actually believe in anymore. His character resolution is to stop trying to gain their approval, and instead follow the values they only pay lip service to.
I don't think Kang, Koloth, and Kor just _happen_ to be best buds... I think it was _inevitable._ Each was a high ranking military commander who survived conflict with Kirk, during the height of the Klingon Empire. Surely these famous warriors would meet at some Imperial function; they would have shared experience to bond over while slamming mugs of blood wine.
I really like JG Hertzler added the line "Unfortunately, my father did not live to see that day." and that he chose not to sing at the end. It really justifies Martok having all this venom for Kor
Re: Martok and Sirella Recall that in TNG, Worf describes how during courtship, the woman screams and hurls heavy objects, while the man reads love poetry, and ducks a lot. It makes sense to me that Klingon men are almost universally attracted to women who display physical prowess, and/or some kind of aggression.
The Klingon Chef is such a great background character, and you can see a lot about him though just his unspoken actions. My favorite is one point you can see him playing the according while singing to his patrons. I always imagine all Klingons have the same thoughts about what they do as the warriors do. The Lawyers and Scientists, Chefs and Gardeners dedicate them in bringing honour and glory to their houses through their accomplishments. Their society values martial powerness but at the same time knows that a society ruled only by bloodshed cannot grow. It can be the basis of goverment though.
Martok’s wife wearing the pants is one of the most delightful DS9 moments. He is hands-down the best and most multi-layered Klingon in Star Trek history. Also shout out to how DS9 constantly makes fun of worf’s one-dimensional mindset.
The whole thing about man doing manly things on the battlefield being the most important thing about their status and pride is because that's the place where they are all away from their wives and mothers. And throughout history across the world, the homes of knights and lords were often run by their wives full time. The old lady who taught my Japanese class said it was still quite common in Japan to hand over their whole wage to their wives who manage the household finances and then give them an allowance to spend for themselves. Which plays into why history recording was mostly about wars. That's the aspect of life where the boys were among themselves, telling stories about how cool and dominant they are.
My favorite thing about "Blood Oath" is the realization that, back in the day, Curzon Dax was probably the himbo in that crew. While the other 3 were crossing paths (and sometimes swords) with Kirk, Dax was probably counting poker chips he'd won off them the night before 😆
This is my head cannon about why the three original series Klingon are best friends. In there careers they were all assigned to patrol/operate in the same sector of space where they all had run ins with Kirk. While patrolling said section of spaces they were each others backup and gained a respect for each other and became a strong unit of brother Captains.
Just realized something. Worf was deeply connected with Martok's family. Joined his House, Martok and his Wife was represented at his wedding, but someone is missing. Martok's son. Remember him? He showed up at the first Episode of the Way of the Warrior, he and his flunkies beat up Garak, and Worf bitch slapped him and took his dagger just to get "Martok"'s attention. We never see Martok's son again. You would think that would have been an interesting story arc of his constant hostility woth Worf, chafing against him joining his house, how close he was getting with his father, maybe jealously as how Martok seemingly dotes on him more than his own son. Perhaps he could have been a turncoat to the Dominion because of it. Don't you hate it when Sons and Daughters just disappear....... BTW Worf, How's Alexander? Ever hear from him after your wedding?
Love the shout-out to Ch'pok! He's one of the most interesting Klingons in the entire franchise. He wields the law like a normal Klingon warrior wields a bat'leth. (Little bit of trivia: one of Ch'pok's children appears in the role call in the DS9 episode, "Sons and Daughters". )
I can forgive Kang, Kor and Koloth all knowing one another, as from TOS it seems they all were fairly prominent commanders along the same part of the frontier with the Federation at generally the same time. Given that, it is not unreasonable to assume they knew each other. A bit more implausible they are also friends, but my head cannon is that they met commiserating over losing to Kirk and bonded.
Only Koloth really lost to Kirk (and at a plot that TNG DS9 era Klingons would disdain as conniving Romulan political manipulation unworthy of a warrior at that). Kor and Kirk jointly lost to the Organians, and Kang and Kirk jointly beat the energy being feeding off them. Unless of course you’re pointing to non-screen media. I think they all crossed paths with him more times in novels.
When I was a kid and watching through DS9 for the first time, my friend spoiled for me that Jadzia would die, which I was very upset about because I like Jadzia and I hate spoilers. But that gave me a unique viewing experience. When I reached 'Change of heart', I fully believed that this was it. She was going to die. The characters go through near death experiences all the time but you never expect the main cast members to actually die usually; but knowing she would eventually die made that episode WAY more tense than it would've otherwise been. And when she didn't die, I got to be overjoyed at being wrong about her demise. Honestly, being spoiled improved my enjoyment of that episode tenfold.
What they did to Kurn was a lot crueler than killing him. I also always wondered what happened to him, once Worf got his honor back. (If I remember correctly, I even thought about that when I first saw the episode because I was certain he would get his honor back at some point.)
@@Yora21 as if preserving a heartbeat is the highest priority. really strange. the closest analogue we have in reality is a medically induced coma. the body is alive, the personality is dead or at least asleep. it’s functionally suicide, if you never wake up or remember who you are.
Talking about Quark and Grilka, I’d love to see a take on Quark’s love life. I find it interesting that he is from an extremely misogynistic society and often outwardly agrees with it yet consistently is attracted to strong, independent women. Outside of Ezri, though most of the people attracted to Ezri seem to just be transposing their love of Jadzia. But, yeah, Quark wants Ferangi women to be naked in the home and every other woman to throw him across the room.
One of the things I've always found compelling about House of Quark is how it shows the unexpected similarity of Klingon and Ferengi values. Both Quark and Grilka take it for granted that it's totally legitimate for D'Ghor to try to take what belongs to Grilka--as long as he goes about it the right way. For Grilka, this means taking it by force; for Quark, it means being clever and out-maneuvering everyone.
Oh man. I fucking love the scene when Worf kills Gowron. That moment when he takes off his comm badge and says that Gowron is not worthy of leading…fuck. The payoff of their character development across multiple episodes is just perfect. It’s my favorite scene in all of Star Trek.
I suspect the writers of Strange New Worlds may be avoiding Klingons because, depending on the canon you're following, they're either basically blackface-style TOS Klingons (thanks Enterprise and "Trials and Tribble-ations"), the controversial redesign of Discovery, or a potential continuity glitch. I imagine none of these options is particularly appetizing to SNW's writers. Also, yes Worf did have to kill Gowron. It was a Klingon battle of honor and there's no way Gowron would have yielded. You also didn't mention that Worf was under implicit orders to do so - "Do whatever it takes, Mister Worf. Those Klingon ships out there are the only thing between us and the Breen. Gowron is risking the safety of the entire Alpha Quadrant and he has to stop." While Sisko didn't tell Worf to kill Gowron, killing Gowron was well within his remit. It also made Worf one of the most significant Klingons in the Empire's recent history. EDIT: And just hours after I said that first paragraph, the season 2 trailer for SNW proves me wrong.
Conclusions drawn from this video: 1. Steve needs to do his Gowron voice at least once per video 2. Quark is actually the best Klingon. (In case Steve says that, I typed it here before I got to that point in the video)
I know how you feel. Last video about halfway through I typed in a "And the season of Picard ends with the revelation it was all a holodeck program on the ship Trip repaired on Enterprise Season 1", then Steve makes a joke about Archer shutting down the holoprogram.. damn it!
@@eldorados_lost_searcher If so, why me when I'm just taking it from the name of the episode in question? Punishment for continuing to spread said pun? If so, I guess it's worth the tribble it caused me.
I LOVE your impressions of Gowron! You sound so much like him, it's eerie! It was huge shock when Worf was forced to kill him, but there was clearly no other choice. Gowron was allowing his jealousy of Martok to lead him into an unforgivable waste of the Empire's resources, both in personnel and ships. That Sisko practically ordered Worf to do it showed how much Sisko had changed, such that he gave an order to a Starfleet officer to take a direct hand in the Empire's internal politics.
O'Brien: "That's a Kingon?!?" Waitress: "OK, you've had too much to drink." Everyone looks at Worf Worf: "We do not speak of it." This is one of the things that my brain randomly brings up without any prompting! It definitely counts! I'm surprised that he didn't mention it when he mentioned Koloth because that makes it his second episode of DS9 he was in.
Ya know, there used to be a show on cable (I don’t know if it’s still going), called Sex Sent Me To The E.R. DS9 definitely had the Klingon edition locked down!
9:00 Always hated how they handled Kurn's departure. Erasing all his memories is no different than klling the guy. It is actually worse because he had at least conscented (scratch that... demanded) a suicide in accordance to his traditions. What they did to him was to insult his beliefs and then murder him. Picard would have totally let Worf kill his brother like he should have. Worf should have just taken Kurn with him to the Enterprise on one of those random visits he always ends up doing in the TNG movies and done the ritual. Then, if anyone on DS9 asks why Kurn did not come back from the Enterprise, tell them he's living in a farm.
it was stupid that they tried to do it on DS9, where consenting homicide is obviously illegal. They could've just taken a trip off to random moon around random planet and done it.
Is it _that_ weird that Ron Canada is from New York? The Niagara Falls are in New York state too, Ontario’s right there, they have close cultural and economic ties! That Klingon chef is lowkey my favourite side-side character on the show.
Frankly amazing that the same day you complain about the lack of Klingons in SNW, a Season 2 trailer premieres where Spock drinks bloodwine with a bunch of them.
I always thought the engineers in "starship down" were civilian employees and the lesson was more about the differences of dealing with people that were trained at SF academy and the people that just live and work on DS9. I always thought along the same lines that Odo's security forces were probably also bajoran citizens working a regular 9 to 5.
I think they were non-coms (like O'Brien). Which, still, means they should have just followed Worf's barking orders and STFU, but the main lesson Worf learned from O'B was a good one for his command style.
They really need to get a good team of writers and just make a Klingon focused show. I don’t care if it’s even only a miniseries. You can have like one token human character too but they’re not the pov, they’re just kind of there early on the way Worf was at the beginning.
Genuinely surprised this never happened during the late 90s into early 2k. Make up for a full cast for every episode was probably too expensive if I had to guess.
I like your videos. I should be working right now but I’m watching this instead. I hope you are proud of yourself. Mr complicit in my not doing my job.
I forgot about poor Kurn. And I thought Troi was unethical with Jack for running out of the room and sharing his medical data with the crew. Guess it could always be worse.
Ron Canada as Ch'Pok is still a great classic character for me, he was so cheeky and slimy he felt like a Romulan in Klingon's skin, Solid direction by Burton. I'm still annoyed they killed off K'Ehleyr, I felt she could've come in for some good romance triangle stuff opposite Jadzia and I still didn't like how they did Alexander dirty in this show I always felt he could've been a regular or semi-regular to contrast Ben and Jake with him and Worf and some solid shenanigans with Jake and Nog.
It would actually be kind of interesting if a society had a ceremonial “calling off the wedding” as part of their marriage customs. Then you could have a scene where the one person who isn’t in the know looks on in horror, thinking the wedding is actually called off.
With Worf working with Martok, he would explain why he became a governor of a small moon from the last episode of TNG. Though he can still die in the Klingon council hall, that leads to Alexander going back in time.
Steve, I'll laugh at the expense of Klingons, but I draw the line at insulting the Klingon Chef. You know how hard it is to source quality gagh that far out in the quadrant? Have you tried the gagh they cultivate on Bajor? It tastes like iceberg lettuce soaked in Mountain Dew. Klingon Chef puts his life on the line every time he puts an order in to his suppliers to serve up an authentic gagh just like mom used to make back on Kronos.
@@LanMandragon1720”Art of War” and its popularity among CEOs makes so much sense when you realize it’s written to be “an Incompetent Silver-Spoon Nepo-Baby’s Guide to not completely f-ing up a war they’ve been put in charge of”
Slight error. In the Season 4 episode Martok is not a changeling yet, as one of the scenes has him cutting his hand to drop blood to prove he isnt a changeling to Sisko and Kira. I suspect that at some point after this entire issue and Season 5 is when they replace him.
Considering they later established that Changelings had found a way around that test, I had presumed that any time we see 2 eyed Martok it's a changeling, including his first appearance.
I'm pretty sure when we meet Martok in the prison camp, he says he's been there for 2 years, establishing that it's the first time we met the real deal.
I mean sure, the way you explain it Worf is the ultimate gaslighting arsehole forcing an individual to under go an intrusive procedure that changes tier very being. If they were human. Them being Klingons the others are supporting a crew members culture and in thr brothers culture Kurn has no consent to give. Bashir is asking Worf because he has the ability to make those choices in Klingon culture. That said it would also be very in character for Dax to come up with this plan so enthusiastically as not only is she helping out Worf big time, but she gets to legally fuck around with some sketchy moral conundrums, FOR SCIENCE in her work time and get away with it as respecting the laws and traditions of the Klingon people. So many people must join the service to be able to legally fuck about with the rules. I mean forget your average Admiral shenanigans, what about your John Gills and your Ron Traceys. They had to have got a taste for it somehow right. Its part of the job description. Want a chance to mess around with a pre industrial civilization? Talk to one of our officers in your local Star Fleet recruitment Booth about YOUR future career TODAY! Good episode. So good its a pleasure to help drive engagement 👍
Hey Steve! Looks like someone heard ya! Just saw the SNW Season 2 teaser, and the Klingons are back! And look - they're the TMP/TNG version of the character design! I'm sure this will piss-off the "but actually..." crowd. LLAP!
Since Michael Dorn plays Worf grandfather in star trek 6, I wonder if he could play him again in star trek strange new worlds. perhaps as the great grandfather
Let’s not forget one of Kor’s best DS9 moments, where the writers (presumably accidentally?) had him perfectly model how to treat and care about trans friends. “Curzon, my beloved old friend!” “It’s Jadzia now” “Jadzia, my beloved old friend!”
What. no Lursa and B'Etor, scheming away in Past Prologue? How about the Klingon killed by Laas in Chimera? Or Tavana, the engineer whose mother may well have had a fling with Curzon Dax? And seriously, what about Alexander Rozhenko, who somehow made it to adulthood in a mere, what, nine years and enlisted with the Klingon Defense Forces? If you're going to talk about misfit Klingons, you have to include the Son of Worf.
I think it's a little more ambiguous than it appears in the last act of Sons of Mog'h with Kurn having no say about getting his mind erased. Yes, Kurn stated earlier that he would do whatever Worf told him to do, but Bashir was not party to that exchange. Even if he was, regardless of Klingon law and tradition, Federation law would seem to indicate that Bashir would need Kurn's direct consent to perform surgery on him. The only exception would be a life-threatening situation, but that clearly would not appear to be the case to Bashir, a Federation doctor. Unless their was some (Federation, not Klingon) legal stuff behind the scenes that gave Worf unlimited power over Kurn's body and mind, I just don't buy that Bashir would do this on Worf's instruction alone. I think it more plausible that there is an implied off-screen scene where they woke Kurn up, got him sober, and Worf explained the plan and Kurn consented. Just my opinion, though.
Quark isn't really my type, but let's not pretend we can't see the appeal. Armin Shimerman, while not conventionally beautiful, is a good-looking guy with a very expressive face and a charming smile even when wearing ferengi mouth prosthetics. Quark, for his part, is quick-witted and devious in all the best ways, with a great sense of humor and a contagious enthusiasm for entertainment and fun. Perhaps most importantly, Quark understands the psychology of pleasure, you can be assured he'll be looking for ways to keep it fresh and interesting. Sure, he's going to leave a copy of Oo-Mox for Fun and Profit lying out for her to find, but he also understands the importance of keeping his customers satisfied, and is always looking for new and exciting things to try
I wish they could have saved Kurn. Maybe they could have commissioned him as a lieutenant commander, and assigned him to be weapons officer on a ship in Starfleet.
The saddest part about the Kurn storyline is that he never gets to become a member of the House of Martok when Worf does. If only Kurn could have had more than a couple months patience.
Steve, did you ever read the 2-book series 'The Left Hand of Destiny' ? It's set just after the DS9 finale, follows Worf & Martok back to Qo'nos, and has a load of fun "King Arthur with Klingons" stuff going on.
The sad thing that I didn't like was when the P+ crew on Discovery tried to add so much irrelevant stuff to the Klingons. Time crystals, sarcophagus ship, Light of Kahless... What? Nope, not needed. Didn't make any sense to me.
Wow, the Strange New Worlds producers listened to you really quick
I know, right? If only the producers of PIcard took my suggestions so quickly!
I hope Steve learns to use his powers for good.
Strange New Worlds can show both versions of the Klingons. TOS and TNG
Maybe throw in some DIS Klingons just for explaining
I was just coming back to your channel to say this exact thing
@@SteveShives those producers listen to @redlettermedia
Kor, as far as feeling represented as a trans woman, you cannot beat "Oh Curzon, my beloved old friend...." " I'm Jadzia now" " Oh well, Jadzia, my beloved old friend!" . Still brings tears to my eyes.
I can't believe that you skipped over Quark's most epic of verbal burns: "I am Quark, son of Keldar, and I have come to answer the challenge of D'Ghor, son of... whatever."
Gowron was so shocked by Quark's marriage to Grilka that his eyes went all sane for a moment.
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Klingon honour is like Vulcan logic. Suspiciously flexible.
That is kind of Worf's character arc.
He is constantly seen as unworthy by the Klingon elite for not living up to their standards, but he's actually the only one who is still striving for the ideals of honor that none of them actually believe in anymore. His character resolution is to stop trying to gain their approval, and instead follow the values they only pay lip service to.
Your Gowron impressions are a work of art
In fact, they are. He nails it!
Haha, Steve, I love you Gowron impressions. Particularly, "bringing down a great house by fucking with its money"
I don't think Kang, Koloth, and Kor just _happen_ to be best buds... I think it was _inevitable._ Each was a high ranking military commander who survived conflict with Kirk, during the height of the Klingon Empire. Surely these famous warriors would meet at some Imperial function; they would have shared experience to bond over while slamming mugs of blood wine.
Imagine them arguing about which one of them got their ass kicked by Kirk the worst.😂😂
I really like JG Hertzler added the line "Unfortunately, my father did not live to see that day." and that he chose not to sing at the end. It really justifies Martok having all this venom for Kor
Re: Martok and Sirella
Recall that in TNG, Worf describes how during courtship, the woman screams and hurls heavy objects, while the man reads love poetry, and ducks a lot.
It makes sense to me that Klingon men are almost universally attracted to women who display physical prowess, and/or some kind of aggression.
And not just Klingon men!
No wonder Scott and O'Brien got along so well with Klingons in general . . . .
@@jpboursaw4469 For sure. I would not kick Grilka or K'Ehleyr out of bed for chasing me around with a Daqtagh. 😂
Klingon men are the subs in bed.
@@meandmyEV Neither would I. Nor the Duras sisters! 🏳🌈🏳🌈😻😻😻😻
Less than two minutes in and we've had a jab at Voyager... just need Picard, Enterprise, Picard and Picard for Bingo.
Fun fact, the guy who played the Klingon Chef on DS9 is also the same person who voiced Bleeding Gums Murphy in the Simpsons.
I'm just glad you found a way to bring up the Klingon chef. There is no way he qualifies as a major Klingon character but I love that guy.
The Klingon Chef is such a great background character, and you can see a lot about him though just his unspoken actions. My favorite is one point you can see him playing the according while singing to his patrons.
I always imagine all Klingons have the same thoughts about what they do as the warriors do. The Lawyers and Scientists, Chefs and Gardeners dedicate them in bringing honour and glory to their houses through their accomplishments. Their society values martial powerness but at the same time knows that a society ruled only by bloodshed cannot grow. It can be the basis of goverment though.
That Klingon truly had a heart of gold and is a jolly fellow.
I truly hate what they did to Kurn, what a terrible end for such a cool character. At least they kept making new roles for Tony Todd through Voyager.
Martok’s wife wearing the pants is one of the most delightful DS9 moments. He is hands-down the best and most multi-layered Klingon in Star Trek history. Also shout out to how DS9 constantly makes fun of worf’s one-dimensional mindset.
The whole thing about man doing manly things on the battlefield being the most important thing about their status and pride is because that's the place where they are all away from their wives and mothers.
And throughout history across the world, the homes of knights and lords were often run by their wives full time. The old lady who taught my Japanese class said it was still quite common in Japan to hand over their whole wage to their wives who manage the household finances and then give them an allowance to spend for themselves.
Which plays into why history recording was mostly about wars. That's the aspect of life where the boys were among themselves, telling stories about how cool and dominant they are.
Couldn't resist that dig at voyager could you :p
My favorite thing about "Blood Oath" is the realization that, back in the day, Curzon Dax was probably the himbo in that crew. While the other 3 were crossing paths (and sometimes swords) with Kirk, Dax was probably counting poker chips he'd won off them the night before 😆
This is my head cannon about why the three original series Klingon are best friends. In there careers they were all assigned to patrol/operate in the same sector of space where they all had run ins with Kirk. While patrolling said section of spaces they were each others backup and gained a respect for each other and became a strong unit of brother Captains.
Steve Shives: "It's ok to kill your favorite characters, you cowards." Also Steve Shives: "How could Worf kill Gowron!"
Just realized something. Worf was deeply connected with Martok's family. Joined his House, Martok and his Wife was represented at his wedding, but someone is missing. Martok's son. Remember him? He showed up at the first Episode of the Way of the Warrior, he and his flunkies beat up Garak, and Worf bitch slapped him and took his dagger just to get "Martok"'s attention. We never see Martok's son again. You would think that would have been an interesting story arc of his constant hostility woth Worf, chafing against him joining his house, how close he was getting with his father, maybe jealously as how Martok seemingly dotes on him more than his own son. Perhaps he could have been a turncoat to the Dominion because of it. Don't you hate it when Sons and Daughters just disappear....... BTW Worf, How's Alexander? Ever hear from him after your wedding?
My impression was that Martok killed him for losing his dagger.
@@FestivalMercury i don’t think martok would do that
Love the shout-out to Ch'pok! He's one of the most interesting Klingons in the entire franchise. He wields the law like a normal Klingon warrior wields a bat'leth. (Little bit of trivia: one of Ch'pok's children appears in the role call in the DS9 episode, "Sons and Daughters". )
Rules Of Engagement is one of my favourite episodes of season four, and season four is almost entirely bangers from start to end.
And Ch'pok arguably inspired one of the best Klingon episodes of enterprise too!
Always enjoyed that episode, considering Dorn played Klingon-attorney Worf, daddy of Mogh, granpappy of Worf, in STVI
I can forgive Kang, Kor and Koloth all knowing one another, as from TOS it seems they all were fairly prominent commanders along the same part of the frontier with the Federation at generally the same time. Given that, it is not unreasonable to assume they knew each other. A bit more implausible they are also friends, but my head cannon is that they met commiserating over losing to Kirk and bonded.
Only Koloth really lost to Kirk (and at a plot that TNG DS9 era Klingons would disdain as conniving Romulan political manipulation unworthy of a warrior at that). Kor and Kirk jointly lost to the Organians, and Kang and Kirk jointly beat the energy being feeding off them.
Unless of course you’re pointing to non-screen media. I think they all crossed paths with him more times in novels.
When I was a kid and watching through DS9 for the first time, my friend spoiled for me that Jadzia would die, which I was very upset about because I like Jadzia and I hate spoilers.
But that gave me a unique viewing experience. When I reached 'Change of heart', I fully believed that this was it. She was going to die. The characters go through near death experiences all the time but you never expect the main cast members to actually die usually; but knowing she would eventually die made that episode WAY more tense than it would've otherwise been. And when she didn't die, I got to be overjoyed at being wrong about her demise.
Honestly, being spoiled improved my enjoyment of that episode tenfold.
J.G. Hertzler also plays a Klingon lawyer, Advocate Kolos, in Enterprise's season 3 episode, Judgement.
What they did to Kurn was a lot crueler than killing him. I also always wondered what happened to him, once Worf got his honor back. (If I remember correctly, I even thought about that when I first saw the episode because I was certain he would get his honor back at some point.)
And the show presents it as if they solved the ethical problem of suicide.
@@Yora21 as if preserving a heartbeat is the highest priority. really strange. the closest analogue we have in reality is a medically induced coma. the body is alive, the personality is dead or at least asleep. it’s functionally suicide, if you never wake up or remember who you are.
Talking about Quark and Grilka, I’d love to see a take on Quark’s love life. I find it interesting that he is from an extremely misogynistic society and often outwardly agrees with it yet consistently is attracted to strong, independent women. Outside of Ezri, though most of the people attracted to Ezri seem to just be transposing their love of Jadzia. But, yeah, Quark wants Ferangi women to be naked in the home and every other woman to throw him across the room.
One of the things I've always found compelling about House of Quark is how it shows the unexpected similarity of Klingon and Ferengi values. Both Quark and Grilka take it for granted that it's totally legitimate for D'Ghor to try to take what belongs to Grilka--as long as he goes about it the right way. For Grilka, this means taking it by force; for Quark, it means being clever and out-maneuvering everyone.
"That grape-stomping bullet-headed bastard" is a phrase that has me laughing still😂😂😂
Oh man. I fucking love the scene when Worf kills Gowron. That moment when he takes off his comm badge and says that Gowron is not worthy of leading…fuck. The payoff of their character development across multiple episodes is just perfect. It’s my favorite scene in all of Star Trek.
I suspect the writers of Strange New Worlds may be avoiding Klingons because, depending on the canon you're following, they're either basically blackface-style TOS Klingons (thanks Enterprise and "Trials and Tribble-ations"), the controversial redesign of Discovery, or a potential continuity glitch. I imagine none of these options is particularly appetizing to SNW's writers.
Also, yes Worf did have to kill Gowron. It was a Klingon battle of honor and there's no way Gowron would have yielded. You also didn't mention that Worf was under implicit orders to do so - "Do whatever it takes, Mister Worf. Those Klingon ships out there are the only thing between us and the Breen. Gowron is risking the safety of the entire Alpha Quadrant and he has to stop." While Sisko didn't tell Worf to kill Gowron, killing Gowron was well within his remit. It also made Worf one of the most significant Klingons in the Empire's recent history.
EDIT: And just hours after I said that first paragraph, the season 2 trailer for SNW proves me wrong.
Conclusions drawn from this video:
1. Steve needs to do his Gowron voice at least once per video
2. Quark is actually the best Klingon. (In case Steve says that, I typed it here before I got to that point in the video)
I know how you feel. Last video about halfway through I typed in a "And the season of Picard ends with the revelation it was all a holodeck program on the ship Trip repaired on Enterprise Season 1", then Steve makes a joke about Archer shutting down the holoprogram.. damn it!
I can't believe you left off an entire episode of Klingons from this list! Did you just not want to go through the tribble-ations of that one?
Complete non sequitur:
I got an advert for Matt Walsh and The Daily Wire at the end of the video. 🤮
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Is it possible that the ad was retribution from the algorithm for the pun? Damned AI can't identify a bridge or a good turn of phrase.
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If so, why me when I'm just taking it from the name of the episode in question?
Punishment for continuing to spread said pun? If so, I guess it's worth the tribble it caused me.
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I LOVE your impressions of Gowron! You sound so much like him, it's eerie! It was huge shock when Worf was forced to kill him, but there was clearly no other choice. Gowron was allowing his jealousy of Martok to lead him into an unforgivable waste of the Empire's resources, both in personnel and ships. That Sisko practically ordered Worf to do it showed how much Sisko had changed, such that he gave an order to a Starfleet officer to take a direct hand in the Empire's internal politics.
The Klingons in DS9 are really interesting because it digs a bit more into the history. Plus of COURSE the time travel to TOS is fun, if that counts
O'Brien: "That's a Kingon?!?"
Waitress: "OK, you've had too much to drink."
Everyone looks at Worf
Worf: "We do not speak of it."
This is one of the things that my brain randomly brings up without any prompting! It definitely counts! I'm surprised that he didn't mention it when he mentioned Koloth because that makes it his second episode of DS9 he was in.
Dude, I love your Gowron impression… cracked up every time.
Ya know, there used to be a show on cable (I don’t know if it’s still going), called Sex Sent Me To The E.R. DS9 definitely had the Klingon edition locked down!
Your thumbnail made me think youtube was recommending be a Klingon version of A Hard Days Night for half a second... it was a beautiful half a second.
HA! 😀
You've never truly heard the Beatles untill you've heard them in the original Klingon....
A Hard Day... Is A Good Day To Die.
9:00 Always hated how they handled Kurn's departure. Erasing all his memories is no different than klling the guy. It is actually worse because he had at least conscented (scratch that... demanded) a suicide in accordance to his traditions. What they did to him was to insult his beliefs and then murder him. Picard would have totally let Worf kill his brother like he should have. Worf should have just taken Kurn with him to the Enterprise on one of those random visits he always ends up doing in the TNG movies and done the ritual. Then, if anyone on DS9 asks why Kurn did not come back from the Enterprise, tell them he's living in a farm.
They wouldn't have to go to the Enterprise. Just take a quick trip someplace outside Federation space.
it was stupid that they tried to do it on DS9, where consenting homicide is obviously illegal. They could've just taken a trip off to random moon around random planet and done it.
Your Gowron impression is actually quite good and and quite funny. Well done!
Your summary of House of Quark brought tears to my eyes. Whip-smart writing
Watching DS9
Klingon Episode: Yay
Ferengi Episode: Meh
Klingon AND Ferengi Episode: Perfection
@@Insanemage2001 how dare you
Is it _that_ weird that Ron Canada is from New York? The Niagara Falls are in New York state too, Ontario’s right there, they have close cultural and economic ties!
That Klingon chef is lowkey my favourite side-side character on the show.
Dude… Loved your Gowron impression during the ‘House of Quark’ segment!
I always think of them as samurai space pirates
Heavy metal Viking samurai space pirates
Biker vikings also works.
@@Tyr666Thornow that is so metal.
Also, I assume this was before the news that there will in fact be a Klingon in season two.
I can’t believe they did that to Kurn, especially since Worf got his honor back
Frankly amazing that the same day you complain about the lack of Klingons in SNW, a Season 2 trailer premieres where Spock drinks bloodwine with a bunch of them.
What kind of Klingon even are you?! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 💯🖖🏾
I always thought the engineers in "starship down" were civilian employees and the lesson was more about the differences of dealing with people that were trained at SF academy and the people that just live and work on DS9. I always thought along the same lines that Odo's security forces were probably also bajoran citizens working a regular 9 to 5.
I think they were non-coms (like O'Brien). Which, still, means they should have just followed Worf's barking orders and STFU, but the main lesson Worf learned from O'B was a good one for his command style.
They really need to get a good team of writers and just make a Klingon focused show. I don’t care if it’s even only a miniseries. You can have like one token human character too but they’re not the pov, they’re just kind of there early on the way Worf was at the beginning.
How about a series of an hour and a half movies focused on non-federation characters and stories?
Genuinely surprised this never happened during the late 90s into early 2k. Make up for a full cast for every episode was probably too expensive if I had to guess.
I like your videos. I should be working right now but I’m watching this instead. I hope you are proud of yourself. Mr complicit in my not doing my job.
I forgot about poor Kurn. And I thought Troi was unethical with Jack for running out of the room and sharing his medical data with the crew. Guess it could always be worse.
Ron Canada as Ch'Pok is still a great classic character for me, he was so cheeky and slimy he felt like a Romulan in Klingon's skin, Solid direction by Burton.
I'm still annoyed they killed off K'Ehleyr, I felt she could've come in for some good romance triangle stuff opposite Jadzia and I still didn't like how they did Alexander dirty in this show I always felt he could've been a regular or semi-regular to contrast Ben and Jake with him and Worf and some solid shenanigans with Jake and Nog.
It would actually be kind of interesting if a society had a ceremonial “calling off the wedding” as part of their marriage customs. Then you could have a scene where the one person who isn’t in the know looks on in horror, thinking the wedding is actually called off.
Gagh is not the only dish on the Klingon menu, as lavishly demonstrated by Commander Riker himself in the TNG episode A Matter of Honor.
Plus it apparently has various sauces in which the live worms are served. So it is as much cooking as involved in sashimi or steak tartare.
With Worf working with Martok, he would explain why he became a governor of a small moon from the last episode of TNG.
Though he can still die in the Klingon council hall, that leads to Alexander going back in time.
Channeled your inner Gilda Radner there with that ending "Nevermind". Great video.
Steve, I'll laugh at the expense of Klingons, but I draw the line at insulting the Klingon Chef. You know how hard it is to source quality gagh that far out in the quadrant? Have you tried the gagh they cultivate on Bajor? It tastes like iceberg lettuce soaked in Mountain Dew. Klingon Chef puts his life on the line every time he puts an order in to his suppliers to serve up an authentic gagh just like mom used to make back on Kronos.
Worf was a far better character in DS9 than he ever was on TNG.
28:00 I love this almost throwaway reveal that the Klingon military is run by bougie trust-fund bros, explains so much!
The majority of militaries throughout history have been run in a similar manner.
@@LanMandragon1720”Art of War” and its popularity among CEOs makes so much sense when you realize it’s written to be “an Incompetent Silver-Spoon Nepo-Baby’s Guide to not completely f-ing up a war they’ve been put in charge of”
Slight error. In the Season 4 episode Martok is not a changeling yet, as one of the scenes has him cutting his hand to drop blood to prove he isnt a changeling to Sisko and Kira. I suspect that at some point after this entire issue and Season 5 is when they replace him.
Considering they later established that Changelings had found a way around that test, I had presumed that any time we see 2 eyed Martok it's a changeling, including his first appearance.
I'm pretty sure when we meet Martok in the prison camp, he says he's been there for 2 years, establishing that it's the first time we met the real deal.
I love your Gowran impersonations
I mean sure, the way you explain it Worf is the ultimate gaslighting arsehole forcing an individual to under go an intrusive procedure that changes tier very being. If they were human. Them being Klingons the others are supporting a crew members culture and in thr brothers culture Kurn has no consent to give. Bashir is asking Worf because he has the ability to make those choices in Klingon culture.
That said it would also be very in character for Dax to come up with this plan so enthusiastically as not only is she helping out Worf big time, but she gets to legally fuck around with some sketchy moral conundrums, FOR SCIENCE in her work time and get away with it as respecting the laws and traditions of the Klingon people.
So many people must join the service to be able to legally fuck about with the rules. I mean forget your average Admiral shenanigans, what about your John Gills and your Ron Traceys. They had to have got a taste for it somehow right. Its part of the job description.
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Good episode. So good its a pleasure to help drive engagement 👍
Wow, Worf really is a terrible father; he tells "Rodek" that he has no family, apparently having forgotten about Alexander completely by this point...
The Gowron impression is spot on
Ah perfect I’ve put in about 50 minutes of work, time for a *checks timestamp* 50 minute break
Hey Steve! Looks like someone heard ya! Just saw the SNW Season 2 teaser, and the Klingons are back! And look - they're the TMP/TNG version of the character design! I'm sure this will piss-off the "but actually..." crowd. LLAP!
Since Michael Dorn plays Worf grandfather in star trek 6, I wonder if he could play him again in star trek strange new worlds. perhaps as the great grandfather
I enjoy your humor and respect your opinions. Great stuff.
Great rundown. Loved Martok, even enjoyed the Kern gets a new family storyarc :)
I love Worf's part in leading his ancestors to glory by farming against time.
Descendents?
Lets also note that Michel Dorn has been in more trek than any other trek actor.. whoda thunk!
I like listening to you talk about Star Trek.
The poster art for this video makes my brain happy. I recognize things I know! Thanks for the video
Yesss always here for good Klingon content - thanks love youu!
Let’s not forget one of Kor’s best DS9 moments, where the writers (presumably accidentally?) had him perfectly model how to treat and care about trans friends.
“Curzon, my beloved old friend!”
“It’s Jadzia now”
“Jadzia, my beloved old friend!”
What. no Lursa and B'Etor, scheming away in Past Prologue? How about the Klingon killed by Laas in Chimera? Or Tavana, the engineer whose mother may well have had a fling with Curzon Dax? And seriously, what about Alexander Rozhenko, who somehow made it to adulthood in a mere, what, nine years and enlisted with the Klingon Defense Forces? If you're going to talk about misfit Klingons, you have to include the Son of Worf.
Damn man you're really going deep on this. Steve's deep cuts on the B side of his greatest hits album.
Seems like Kurn could've regained his honor by trying to kill Worf, the "traitorous" member of their House, but whatever.
I think it's a little more ambiguous than it appears in the last act of Sons of Mog'h with Kurn having no say about getting his mind erased. Yes, Kurn stated earlier that he would do whatever Worf told him to do, but Bashir was not party to that exchange. Even if he was, regardless of Klingon law and tradition, Federation law would seem to indicate that Bashir would need Kurn's direct consent to perform surgery on him. The only exception would be a life-threatening situation, but that clearly would not appear to be the case to Bashir, a Federation doctor. Unless their was some (Federation, not Klingon) legal stuff behind the scenes that gave Worf unlimited power over Kurn's body and mind, I just don't buy that Bashir would do this on Worf's instruction alone. I think it more plausible that there is an implied off-screen scene where they woke Kurn up, got him sober, and Worf explained the plan and Kurn consented. Just my opinion, though.
Quark isn't really my type, but let's not pretend we can't see the appeal. Armin Shimerman, while not conventionally beautiful, is a good-looking guy with a very expressive face and a charming smile even when wearing ferengi mouth prosthetics.
Quark, for his part, is quick-witted and devious in all the best ways, with a great sense of humor and a contagious enthusiasm for entertainment and fun.
Perhaps most importantly, Quark understands the psychology of pleasure, you can be assured he'll be looking for ways to keep it fresh and interesting. Sure, he's going to leave a copy of Oo-Mox for Fun and Profit lying out for her to find, but he also understands the importance of keeping his customers satisfied, and is always looking for new and exciting things to try
17:45 - Wow, those enhanced pics are so uncanny/creepy at times. Please, don't stop using them, ever. Great video as always, Steve!
The Singing Klingon Chef. Show some respect, he has a UA-cam channel now.
My favorite Martok moment is when Nog tells him to fuck off the promenade.
always RIP Aron
10:53
I don't normally get uncanny valley'd, but AI-ified Odo is seriously creeping me out
I wish they could have saved Kurn. Maybe they could have commissioned him as a lieutenant commander, and assigned him to be weapons officer on a ship in Starfleet.
What about the klingon cook who has a klingon accordion? Weird Al Klingon us the most important klingon
DS9 had a Klingon restaurant from the first season which I kinda loved.
The saddest part about the Kurn storyline is that he never gets to become a member of the House of Martok when Worf does. If only Kurn could have had more than a couple months patience.
Mogh = MOW-GUH, not MAW-GUH
Nogra = KNOW-GRA, not GNAW-GRA
Wow, that was a really good Gowron impression.
You go to a Klingon restaurant for the authentic ambience, as much as you go for the food.
How about a "Rule of Acquisition #69" joke?
Just a few hours later and it looks like you got your wish re: Klingon in SNW
Oh this was such a fun tearful trip down memory lane of the 90s.
Steve, did you ever read the 2-book series 'The Left Hand of Destiny' ? It's set just after the DS9 finale, follows Worf & Martok back to Qo'nos, and has a load of fun "King Arthur with Klingons" stuff going on.
The sad thing that I didn't like was when the P+ crew on Discovery tried to add so much irrelevant stuff to the Klingons. Time crystals, sarcophagus ship, Light of Kahless... What? Nope, not needed. Didn't make any sense to me.
The sarcophagus ship I can get behind, but the rest of it is garbage. Like ancient Klingon house ships is kinda an interesting concept.
I loved The Hell out of the First Klingons ... Kor, Kang, and Koloth !!!! Classic buds 😅
At least Kor went out in a blaze of glory.
I wish Kurn could be revisited. sigh.
Whew, early today! Been looking forward to this one!