Project: Installing 52 Ubiquiti UniFi Wireless Access Points For A Warehouse.
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i like that youre actually a functional company doing this stuff, not just making videos for the sake of making videos
I appreciate your honesty with your clients. Too many companies will bend the truth or outright lie for a sale. Thanks for your informative videos!
I work IT for a large corporation, and I wish we did half the research for our systems as you do for your customers, haha.
Would love to see a video that shows how you have mounted some APs in different locations/materials/surfaces!
I love how you adopted to the needs of the customer. Since, they were so dependent on wifi.
Great video, very informative. I would love to see a greater focus on the initial network design given the specs, wifi planning, equipment selection / positioning, AP optimisation depending on AP density, wifi survey post installation, etc. Keep up the good work!
I've been researching what others have been doing for warehouse installations with equipment racks and found it interesting that you went with Omni LR's down all the isles. Posts I've read recommend something like the UMA-D with the UAP-AC-M for directional focus of the signal down a rack isle and to not install HD's or LR's because of their omni nature and being prone to interference if positioned too closely to each other.
I've done this multiple times for my company in warehouses just like that. The Unifi access points work excellent and were a huge improvement over our old wifi system that cost 5x as much.
how high did you mount?
@@bdepew right to the bottom of the trusses. I’d guess 35-37’
@@bdepew right to the bottom of the trusses. I’d guess 35-37’
@@TheDillio187 no issues?
@@bdepew none. We have many warehouses setup this way, probably over a million square feet pretty easily.
Did you have to “tune” the APs tx power/channels manually or did you let the controller take care of it?
Would very much like to know this as well
Just my 2cents: Since this is a warehouse and not a office building etc with a bunch of neighboring APs etc. This deployment would be better with manual tuning to ensure non overlapping channels and channel noise/changes is less likely to happen (again) since it is a large warehouse with outdoor property.
geant90 thanks!
A little late, but in a different video he clearly recommended leaving everything on auto unless there are specific problems. He said that Unifi is normally so good that people actually make it worse by dialing in settings themselves.
@@majik11111 that’s a good method of approach. AGV systems it is good to hard core upfront.
I have also worked on warehouse projects, where it was necessary to use fibre to reach distant points. However, one thing I was wondering about is since some Unifi models can support a 2nd connection, maybe that could be used to cut down on the cabling. Also, as far as video in the warehouse goes, I have worked in several data centres, where cameras are prohibited. Also, I have worked in a prison a few times and in there, even pagers and cell phones were banned and my tools were inventoried going in and out and I only brought in the tools I'd be using. On various jobs, I have been finger printed, palm printed, retina scanned, weighed and more. I've even been escorted by an armed soldier at a NORAD radar station. So, security can be "fun" in some sites.
Fiber is fine to re-use if you clean the fiber ends. You’ll know if your fiber is dirty based on the crc errors on the sfp ports.
Warehouse with high ceiling and very tall shelving units (presumably with product on them)? I would think that omni antennas are not a good choice here, and that sector antennas would be needed. Curious to see how the post-install validation goes once they finish moving in the shelving units and product.
Hi, thank you for your videos. I'm wondering how do you set the channels on the 2 gigahertz and 5 gigahertz frequency bands when you have so many access points in one area? What is your best in device?
You’re the reason why label maker companies are still in business. ;)
I would’ve liked actual on-site footage of the installation.
Totally arree. Maybe it would have given away trade secrets or something, but I doubt it.
He explained in the video why he couldn't do that.
Awesome install. You've got a great team.
We covered our Graduation ceremony with 9 UAP-HD's in a building about 2/3 that size. Slightly overkill, but we had 700+ clients and the max throughput was 650 Mb/s. I love seeing these big deployments. Thanks for the content.
your situation was different as Im assuming it was mostly open space. In this video he talked about how its a warehouse filled with racks near ceiling height that has a lot of interference
@@williscooper7750 I wasn't criticizing his planning or deployment. You are exactly right about the the differences. Also he wasn't going for high throughput like I was. I had numerous parents live streaming in 1080p and 4k.
I'm a wireless networks Engineer in Ireland, I design and build WiFi networks in warehouses that are 35,000 square foot, and I get away with 8 APs
This warehouse is 320,000 square foot but 42 AP's inside does seem rather high. Even with racking cutting into signal range this is a very large number of AP's
What APs?
xNand it means access point
Having done multiple data center relocations I can confirm re-using structured cable be it Fiber or Copper is usually fine, with that said
individual connections (especially copper) are good to swap out so you don't end up with a rats nest at the end of the day.
I did a dozen AC-Pros over 145k sq ft, been working pretty well, but it's mostly warehouse traffic so not really pushing it hard. Lots of metal racking with product too, but the high ceilings really help.
how high did you install them?
@@bdepew I want to say the rafters were about 35 feet from the ground.
I just completed deployment at one of our warehouse only needed 15 AP Pro for almost the same size of that building... haven't had any issues after 1 month
He did mention they are going to have up to ceiling racks (and possibly filled with tin foil hates' hehe) and once the site is in production with all the these signal obstructions I'd say he made the right call preparing for that.
How did you decide the quantity needed and where to place them?
Ubiquiti has a portal where you can plug in the dimensions and devices and they spit out the recommended hardware
@@TheGamingNoot Link please :)
Cool and thanks!!
You should cherry pick some easy going clients to give an option to sign a release waiver to let you film and offer a discount. I think everyone would enjoy a full featured install series on a large project.
Why didn't you use Rockets with sector antenna's? Basically you made the ceiling (above the racks) 100% coverage and interference, while in between the racks coverage is limited. Warehouses are always tricky, and depending on the lay-out, you might be better off placing sectors along the wall...
Thank you for your many informative videos! I have always wondered, how do you manage the guest network? do you use UNIFI's internal offerings or something external? I am very curious
depends on what the client wants, but usually both, guest settings in UnIFi and rules in the firewall.
So have you talked about cabling between the Idf’s and AP’s?
Can you make a video about how this actually works once it's set up? Not a video from where you aren't allowed to film, but maybe your office? How do you setup the APs so the transition from one AP to another is pretty seamless for the connected devices. Does it work OK with like a Skype call? Thanks!
Crazy that omnis are working well in a warehouse with racks. If the ceilings were 25 ft, what was the height of the racks? 20ft?
Why so many APs? 12-16 Cisco or HPE Aruba WAPs would cover that space for less than half the cost on hardware.. No problems even with full racking and forks in place. (Not hating or judging - curious) Were there specific bandwidth requirements or latency issues? You'll likely get better performance if you power off every second AP.
Have you ever calculated the 5GHz RF exposure standing there with so many access points? I don't think I'd want to stand there very long. Edit: I did the calcs.. you are fine.
no problem
🤭😂
It's also non ionising radiation so very low risk....otherwise us IT guy's would be dropping dead of cancer all the time
@@diceman199 The "saving" factor here is the low wattage (150mw) and the relatively inefficient omnidirectional antenna design. A single 150mW 5GHz source with a high gain directional antenna will exceed uncontrolled environment exposure limits at 3ft and controlled environment maximum exposure limits at 1.5ft. And while it's not ionizing it can still cause damage. When you climb towers, you learn quickly not to get in front of certain antennas. lol
@@turbo2ltr yeah....towers are a different kettle of fish....way more power than something only expected to work at 100m
What do you mean by saying Hi/Lows?
forklift
another name for order picker forklifts. the entire cab goes up and down, not just the forks.
Imagine standing there, your phone or device seeing all those access points, it's like which one to connect to 🤣
That's a huge space!
How did the client devices work with roaming. A massive Warehouse environment is a long ways out of Ubiquiti's experience. I sell and deploy UniFi but not into warehouses. Barcode scanners are designed to not roam unless necessary unlike consumer devices. Lets have a 2021 follow up on how it has performed?
Great video, just one question... why would you place so much ap's with a user-related connection problem? its just overkill... is it not more opticional setting the RSSI settings correct according the project?
Once the warehouse went into production there are lots of metal rack going up high that cause interference
Do you have any recommendation for Hotel and Resort Unifi set-up? Which devices is good for this kind of environment.
How about this? "UAP-AC-IW, CLOUDKEY +, GATEWAY LITE, and STANDARD POE SWITCH."
Great video.. How high are the ceilings at the highest point in the warehouse ? I have read unifi is limited to 22 to 25 feet using ceiling mounts?
Correct, you don't want Omni antennas much higher than this.. I don't know if these APS have downtilt antennas, but that can get you a few more feet if it has them.. any higher than this and you need to do some directional antennas..
great videos - how do you make sure if you have more then one AP - that your devices connects to the closest AP? say you have a AP in your livingroom and one in your bedroom - ideally when you walk into your room, your laptop or phone should connect to that...
Really good video. I am just rolling out a large deployment at the moment with about 110 access points, 30 cameras, 12 switches and 7 sets of UBB devices. In my deployment I am using the AP-Lites as each one is in an individual room in a hotel that is being refurbished with modern WiFi. Do you actually think that with the number of devices that will potentially connect and how close they will be to the AP devices, you need the LR. Would the AC-Lite not be capable too
Im curious what something like this cost? Labor, equipment and all. Seems like a huge investment. 200k+?
"Never reuse fiber", my first time hearing that, lol. As long as it is tested and recertified that is enough for most customers.
Recertified!?!? If I can negotiate 10GB it's good enough for me. :P
That is one way to do it, but I'm talking about using an OTDR tester to test the fiber.
@@okidave Yes I figured that. I was joking about (but not joking) how cheap things can be and if usually this way for me. XP
How much is this different with Unifi's new ownership workings? Had a site with Dream Machine Pro - the transition of 'ownership' of controller was no so slick after initial config. Great channel!! Thanks! -Frank
How about a aula or church with up to 300 people? Will one ap-pro per floor be ok or is it better to use 2 lite per floor?
you rock, thanks.
The people telling you to not re-use Fiber are just trying to upsell themselves. Fiber is fine to reuse. I don't know what your level of experience with Fiber is, but a true fiber professional would clean and recertify the fiber before using it. But not everyone can afford the expense of an OTDR capable of certifying fiber. At the very minimum, all fiber should be cleaned and tested with a visual fault locator before reusing fiber.
Would you always recommend me these AP's for a warehouse? When or would you use something like an AC Pro or HD Nano or would you never?
We evaluate and choose everything on a case-by-case basis.
I would love to see the outcome when the warehouse start to add pallets filled with merchandise on the racks. Also people walking with RF scanner hoping that the application does not times out before they get to the location to scan the product. that's when the real deal comes Roaming is one of the issues that I see a lot with unifi even when you have RF scanners such as Zebra, Motorola or intermec that support 802.11r. in my experience with the unifi LR the mobile devices will stick to the AP and it will not roam properly. It will be a lot of tweaking like power reduction band steering channels and more. I love your videos hopefully I can learn something from you if you encounter those issues
Did you even watch the video? At 3:17 i state that this is about 40 days later after the project was done and the warehouse is up and running.
Wouldn't it be better to have directional AP's on the aisles of the racks ?
Is there a mount for LR AP’s which allows them to be angled??
Hello I have a 400x250 warehouse. How many enterprise units do I need? I should have 200-300 devices connected
Have done a few medium size Ubiquii deployments. They just work and adoption is a piece of cake. Must be 77 Meraki fans wanting you to rent your controller.
How did you come to that number of APs? That seems an excessive amount? We have a couple of warehouses some of which are much larger with half that number of APs. Possibly helps that we use directional antennas.
You need to think about the dB blockage from the products that will be stacked there.
Adam Pristel I know :) I just wondered why you wouldnt go with a design that used directional antennas directed down each aisle.
@@strikesbac well since there aren't walls, you'd still being the ceiling. And for when there is no products or forks driving down the aisles. It's ridiculously complicated alot of times for what seems to be a simple idea.
@@strikesbac When the hi lifts are extended they will block the signal down the aisle. So anything on the opposite side would lose connection.
Is it worth it to get a UBWS ubiquity certificate or is it a waste of time and how much value does it have in the job market?
how do you deal with all that 2.4ghz radio noise? UI needs a way to disable 2.4 radios on devices.
I'd have went with directional antennas. That many omni's that high and close to metal isn't the greatest.
Funny you say that because when I did a bid for a warehouse the engineers that did a heatmap were like you shouldn't of chosen those AP's because really they should only be about 20ft off the ground (they were going to be mounted at about 30ft). Luckily we used the support beams and made a mount so the AP's were mounted correctly. I'm not sure, but I would assume the Unifi AP's are the same. They shouldn't be mounted that high.
@@breakingcustombc2925 Personally I wouldn't go with Omni's with anything over 10-15 feet max. Especially in a high density environment.
@@breakingcustombc2925 yup generally you do not want it to high up as wireless client devices simply wouldn't have the juice to tx. With a tested environment you can figure out what you can get away with.
Wait. are you saying that racks are acting as Faraday cages? Are you mesh your LRs?
Yes, they break up the signal.
hi, which kind of Unify AP and controller is better for hotels. The hotel is 6 floors and on each floor, there are 17 rooms.
Hoped this would be the install process and on site work.
10 x U6-Lite or U6-LR for high ceiling warehouse, about 800 sqm. what do you think? thanks
i am searching for a video to show how to install an AP in a kind of warehouse (same kind of ceiling) to show those who place these APs that they cannot go directly on the ceiling and will be blocked by any reflecting metal like air ducts and metal beams.. If you ever make a video like this, please reply to this message
good stuff dude.
What version Ubiquity AP did you use in this huge metal cover building? LR version?
If you use LR omnidirectional antenna in this metal can then interference will be to big and potential migration between AP will be really pain (802.11r). "Close can" is the most tricky because is extremely hard to predict Interference from roof, wall even floor. I propose use people who like fly FPV in that environment and ask them what is the most efficient way to send/receive radio signals. After that I'm almost sure you will newer ever again use LR omni antena in this type of environment.
@@abbaaabccabbaaabcc2350 he already said it's working fine and that because it works fine that he got a second job from the same company to do anther building.
Huh?
@@turbo2ltr May I ask about methodology such a test? How many scanners/tablet was running during test time?
I'd suggest taking a look at cwnp.com and wlanpros.com for anyone interested in getting into wifi design or to answer the many questions here about channel planning, power levels, and AP placement. While the end result of these installations was a happy customer(kudos), you would quickly find yourself in a tough situation had the requirements been at a higher density, throughput, or industry (such as healthcare). It's highly recommended to do some predictive planning before hanging APs on the ceiling. Getting involved with these sites can only make you better!
Audio is kinda funky sounding
I have 3 warehouses, very similar. Switched from ruckus to unifi UAP-LR and UAP-AC-LR. Handhelds are motorola MC 9090 séries on 2.4 ghz. I am not happy, lot of dark zones and I Feel that devices do not roam well from a AP to another. Any hints?
Watch this video. Look up your phone model and if it handles 802.11r
Also use wifi heat map to see if you are getting good signal in your dark zones.
Yes it supports 802.11r. Never had any problems with ruckus and default options, auto detection settings (channel, power, etc). It really seems that devices stick with far away AP and does not roam. I tried messing with unifi controller settings, enabled advanced settings, tried different setups, tried to use minimum rssi settings, but nothing
I can even notice this problem with my iPhone. I start to walk into the warehouse. When I get to the end, signal on the phone is very low, and I can see I am still connected to the first AP. Seems like ruckus did “hey AP 35, I am AP 1 and I am losing this device... get it!” And they roamed automagically
@@bladoblado apple products have a sticky roaming problem.
Forty six? That sounds like too many. I'd think have that would do depending on how many aisles there are.
That's nearly 7.5 acres, of just a building. Holy crap.
Looks like a amazon warehouse in the making 🤔🤔
yeah, but it's a bit too small for a typical amazon warehouse. i worked in STL4 which is one of the smaller warehouses, and was still about twice the size of that building.
Amazon isn’t using Unifi for damn sure
@@vono360 I don't know what brand they use, but they're square with rounded corners, and really close together.
@@kenzieduckmoo Could be Aruba. They have decent density but not very high range (compared to Ubiquiti). A very popular choice for large commercial deployments.
I’m pretty sure they’re all Cisco deployments
Link to tuning article? recommendations?
In the description.
I got a project in which i have to provision a cisco wlc and 150 AP-s but also, after updating the Firmware i have to add static IP-s and i have to get logs from all the AP-s with a few, customer required "show command". How can i do that in "one go" from the WLC ? I dont want to console into every AP....any idea would be much appreciated
I am trying deploy a unfi video system to company. Around 55 Cam for 6/F building. Any suggestion? Can I use a NAS for NVR?
THANKS
Hey do u get a discount on unifi products?
one of our clients run Unifi everywhere, and im just wondering in what instance should they consider the HD from AC-PRO? love your videos and explanations. thanks!
Pro is good for around 30-40 clients, so pretty much only if you're going to exceed around 40-50 clients per AP, you want them for venue spaces, high-density areas. I know from first-hand experience that the significantly cheaper NanoHD will do 40 without breaking a sweat. The full-HD is probably twice as capable. Of course YMMV depending on the situation and the clients.
Wild Tangent awesome! Thanks!
I've got the standard AP Pro's and i've had 100 devices connected to one AP before now with no client complaints. Only standard email / internet usage but even so. The HD's are great for things like conference centers / auditoriums where you have large numbers of people in relativly small areas.
@@diceman199 not having used the Pros myself, I'd defer to your estimation. The HD is essentially almost 2 Pros in one, having that 2nd 5GHz radio, so I stand by my "probably twice as capable" :)
@@W1ldTangent It all depends on what your application is. Mine is office space and TV & Film studios so the Pro's work just fine. Not sure about twice as capable though. You might find throughput restrictions when having lot's of high demand users connected though they'd have to be moving large files to hit the Gb port limits.
Do all ubnt devices have 802.11r?
Yes
Did you use Ubnt poe switches ando routers/ firewalls for 52 ap ? Many thanks.
Just their switches
Can we get a little more co-channel interference with our Wi-Fi?
I'd like to see the 90 day review and if you've had to reboot any UAP's for any weird reasons (slow, no clients, no broadcast passing, etc)... 😜
Show me the (per BSSID) iperf reports with a connected iperf -s directly plugged into the unifi switch after 90 days. 😂😜👍
Let me know how it goes 😝
I've got a 51 AP ubioquity WiFi set up that I installed and look after. Been running for over 2 years now and very few issues. I get more problems with idiots turning off power to my cabs than issues with the hardware
@@diceman199 UI works great for small-medium hospitalities.
The highest concentration for one site that I have is around ~300 mixed UAPs deployed in a 3000 person 'hospitality' and it's always constant device problems (excluding user PEBKACs). Since day 1, and every upgrade after: they still randomly exhibit the 30 day lockup issue where they stop allowing clients to connect, don't pass broadcasts for DHCP/ARP/etc, or the jitter is unreal (like 300ms-2000ms until they reconnect). Every possible WiFi problem you could imagine: I've had with UBNT UNIFI UAP products. Low subscriber volume has never been a real issue (even for fast roaming): maybe every 6 months I'll have to reboot my office APs because they'll stop allowing clients to register or my boss will complain that XYZ, yet our office gigabit connection is working flawlessly. Just seems like they can't fix the kinks in their platforms, add features and add new bugs to what was previously working.
Other UBNT products are amazing, edgemax, airmax AC, all great. UniFi is just garbage. AirFiber is also terrible, ethernet jack tolerance problems, management interface problems due to how they handle packets destined to the CPU; bad if you have to compile reports for SLA clients about site performance/etc.
@@jamess1787 Thats odd, i've never run into most of those issues and i have units that have been running for almost a full year without a reboot that regularly have 20-30 devices connected. Only problem i've run into was one unit that refused to broadcast SSID's but that was a single unit.
I'm not on the latest version of controller software though as i have 5 AP's that are end of life, so I won't be upgrading till those are changed out. It might be connected to later versions of the software?
@@diceman199 I've upgraded the controller, and even reinstalled twice and manually readopted all of my customers UAP's (and had to roll a couple trucks and ladders).
We doubled-up our UAP install at this 3K person site because we were seeing upwards of 60 connected devices to some UAP's; from our AirMAX experience: we know that actual claimed versus ideal is about 50% for good performance. It's working OK, but having to reboot anywhere from 25 - 50 days for each UAP is silly. Some of our UAPs don't see any clients since their last reboot. Pretty spookey. More than just (occasional) faulty unit: something is definitely fishy with the software
52. That's cute.
Yup! ;)
What is a high-low please?!
Forklift
iodit u doest install infront of us ...already installed u said it thats it
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In the end, time and material, what did you charge for this?
Errol Janusz id like to know this as well
My unifi replace with ruckus t300 for my warehouse
so, is this considered MESH? if not, wouldnt MESH be better?
That’s a lot of RF in a very small space. Is your skin cooking? 😉 Thanks for the video Tom.
Too much exposure on the camera. The devices were just all white.
In my device it's only 10/100mbps only working. I tried to config 100/1000. There is no option y? My devices totally 3nos for wifi connection. AP AC device
Check that your POE port is in auto or force it to gigabit in the software.
Bad cable.
Should have used Aruba or Cisco for a deployment like this.
Funny, the company bidding against us said the same thing.
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS And your customer will soon find out why...
@@LMBC6Brian That is also something that was said when we did a facility in December of 2018 where we install 300 access points. Do you know how long "Soon is" ?
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Shortly after their density ramps up and they see the latency and inability to do what they want. There are many layers to enterprise wireless other than coverage. I currently manage a 1500 Aruba AP enterprise deployment. When you want to do more than just service clients with your wireless, the soho stuff quickly becomes a liability.
@@LMBC6Brian I believe he said in the video, about halfway thru, that they _don't_ have high density...
that was disappointing...
What a waste of my time no on site anything or explaining BOOOORRRRIIINNNGGGG
Please try to talk slower, sometimes i don't understand something, you talk so fast
You can slow down UA-cam videos by changing the speed setting which also will make me talk slower.
Just came here to put a thumbs down for ubiquiti. Non-standardized gear that promotes poor deployment habits for the uninformed or the unintelligent.