Centerpoint Wrath 430, is it Junk?
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2022
- Centerpoint Wrath 430 review and honest opinion and useful tips after extensive use. Is this the best value out there? It just may be. Watch and find out.
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Good review. Thanks for sharing. I'm actually trying to squeeze this one into my DAV budget lol. Hopefully this week I'll know if I can. Thanks again and best of luck.
Just bought this crossbow because of your two videos. Thanks for sharing
Appreciate your confidence in my review, hope you enjoy it. I'm hunting with mine this afternoon! Good luck with it!
Getting one tomorrow thank you so much for the tips !
Great review and tips! I just bought the Wrath 430 package & with discounts and a $100.00 rebate with a final price of $431.00. I will buy the cocking mechanism with the rebate money and can’t wait to hunt with it.
Good luck this season! My Wrath 430 is holding up well!
Good tip on the quiver and lock Tite. I am looking at this bow now. Basspro has it on sale (650) Thanks for sharing your tips.
I just now buying my first bow ever. I have never bow hunted before. I am truly enjoying your review! I found this crossbow on sale and I think that I am going to buy it. Based on the reviews and things that I have seen, I feel that this is a great first time crossbow to hunt deer with.
Thank you for the "I wish I would have known before" items, this helped me tons. Thank you for sharing!!!
Thank you! Appreciate the feedback. If you have any questions you think I may be able to help with, please don't hesitate. It's been a great xbow for me, after dealing with the few quirks, it's been practically maintenance free after a year of use.
@@underdogoutdoorshelpful video what scope do you have installed?
It's an ACOG crossbow scope, not sure if they even make them anymore, but already had it, so I put it on- definitely overkill & don't need it. The scope that came with the Wrath 430 was fine.@@anthonykontos7931
Just bought this model. My first crossbow because I’m 65 with a shoulder problem and pulling a bow gets a little harder each year. Mine came with both rope and crank. Looking forward to hunting season.
It's fast and great for the money. Use lock tite on main bolt, & go over all the allen bolts & make sure they aren't loose, especially after shooting it the first time. Good luck! Mine is holding up nicely.
@underdogoutdoors you gave very valuable advices! Thank you! I put blue loctite on almost all bolts of mine. I had no chance to shoot it yet, just received. I also like the idea of flipping the quiver plate with a latch. I put a threadlocker on those bolts too. :)
Great video!! Nice watching someone who is actually using the bow instead of an infomercial. I broke my back two years ago and sold my crossbow. Im about to order one the of Centerfires, and try one more time. Not sure I can do it, but I need to know. Thanks for your insight
Good luck with it, it's a decent crossbow at a good price.
Went through all the same problems. I'm a total beginner. Everything you say is spot on!
It has been functioning very well for me so far, it's a lot of performance once you set it up properly.
I wonder if using some bow string wax on quiver might make arrows easier to insert / remove
Good review.....i just bought the 430X and love it.....upgrading it with a speed ring scope
Best review of a crossbow I have viewed yet. Great job straightforward no bullshit.
And I watched your previous video.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
Outstanding review and details.
Always Loctite all your bolts on any crossbow. Buy quality bolts. Factory scope is not bad, but if you want more replace it. Great bows.
Yes, so far this crossbow has exceeded my expectations.
I am looking forward to buy a crossbow to replace the one that I have. You just gave a great review on this model. My only concern is the stock. Is the stock adjustable? I had seen other models by the company and it looks like the stock is adjustable on those models. Can you please explain. Thanks 🙏
Good tips and great review sir... I'll be checking out some more shortly
Thank You, some how I missed your comment last week! My apologies!
On the quiver. Just remove the intermediate rubber snapblock The bolts still stay in and is way more useable and safer when you have large broadheads.
I agree!
Great video. This really helped me. I’m considering this vs the CP400. Going to get one or the other. Thx!
Glad it helps! It's a great xbow for the money.
Thx! Quick question. I saw another review on UA-cam for this bow. The guy said he was 5’9” and struggled to get the scope far enough forward to be able to clearly sight it in. Can you share your experience with getting the scope properly adjusted? Just curious. Thx.
@@michaellee793 I did shoot the scope it came with, & had no issue's with it, I'm a little over 6'. I did replace the scope only because I had a high end ACOG xbow scope on an old crossbow. Some people are more sensitive to scope issues, I believe the scope it comes with is fine.
@@underdogoutdoors I'm bout the same height so the reference helps. Thanks again!
Wonder if Centerpoint improved the quiver because the one I just bought isn't difficult to put a bolt in at all.
Bought 7/23.
I wouldn't be surprised, they received feedback & likely improved.
Thanks for the update I just had an impulse buy on one.
You'll love it!
Just ordered one. Great content you provide. What variety of bolts have you used with it? Brands? Weights?
Same question in regards to broadheads? (not field tips) What have you noticed is the most reliable broadhead in terms of consistency in shot placement at 40 yards? What brand of wax do you apply to the string? Do you apply anything to the rail for lubricity? What kind of loctite did you use? I hope you can answer all my questions! Thank you for again for the content you provide! Subscribed!
Thanks for the kind words. Feel free to ask, I am happy to help. I use the 400grain bolts from the Centerpoint website (bolt is 300gn + 100gn broadhead, total = 400gn). They fly at 407fps, the broadheads are "Slick Trick" 100grain, 1inch, 4 blade. I've been using SlickTricks for over 10 years, they can be resharpened and I sight in the crossbow with them. I mark the bolts on the fletching, as each bolt flies slightly different, so I purchase six in addition to the three that come with it & try to find three bolts that shoot similar. I use the same bolt with broadhead to sight in, & that's my #1 bolt in the quiver for hunting. I use regular 100% Vaseline for rail lube, extremely sparing, use very little & infrequently. The loctite is blue. Any string & cable wax brand & also, very sparingly. If I can answer anything else please ask. Also if you purchase on the Amazon link, it doesn't cost you anymore & I make about a dollar, lol.
@@underdogoutdoors wondering is you could do a video using heavier weighted bolts to see the fps comparison as well to see if it helps reduces the noise of the crossbow. It would be a great test to see the results in increments to 500 grains. Using a variety of bolts would also be insightful such as 4” fletchings as well as the longer 22” bolts. I’ve looked all over UA-cam for a video like this but cannot find one.
@@SilverTreasures I'd love to but don't plan on purchasing any new bolts for a while. I'm sure heavier bolts would be fine, may or may not reduce the noise. Crossbows are loud, even quiet crossbows, they make up for it with speed & accuracy. 400gn is a great weight for speed & accuracy. I believe Borkholder archery makes a custom bolt for this crossbow that is heavier & allegedly more accurate.
Danke für die Hinweise Schraubensicherung zu verwenden.
Ich hab die baugleiche Mankung XB65 und ebenfalls keine Probleme.
Your Welcome. The lok--tight will definitely fix it!
Great vid man, keep up the good work....
Thank You!
Does adding locktight to the riser and scope rail bolts void the manufacturer warranty?
I don't know, I'd do it anyway. The blue locktight isn't permanent.
I did a trigger job on mine, turned out great!!!
What trigger did you use? Was it a kit?
Thank you for all the info and tips! Im probably gonna get this unit this wk end,does it happen to have the telescoping stock? Thank you sir!
If you purchase the 430X, it comes with the folding & telescoping stock. The Wrath 430 in this video does not.
@@underdogoutdoors the 430x does though,ok awesome! That's what I needed to hear,Thank you for your time partner! Happy hunting!
Good luck this season!!@@TommyLawson-yc3ru
What kind of relaxation aid is this? Very nice, well explained video, I bought it too. The Man Kung Chester 65 costs 250 euros less here in Germany than its sister model, the Centerpoint Wrath. Since Centerpoint doesn't make crossbows themselves, they just look at the man kung kit and sell them under CENTERPOINT.
Yes, made in Taiwan.
Great review..Would you truly recommend buying this crossbow?Looking at one now.Thank you.
Yes, with the condition you tighten up the bolts, using lok-tight thread locker. It's been holding up great, shoots great. In my opinion, one of the best values- you can even use the scope it comes with.
@@underdogoutdoors Thank you so much.
Thanks for the follow up!!
My pleasure!
I y quit putting my quiver on the bow altogether , I just put it in my backpack and hang it up when i get in my stand, My son does the same.
Hey Thanks for this video! I'm searching for a good but inexpensive cross bow.
I'm happy with it! Thanks for the kind words.
Hit all the points concisely. Good shot video 👍
Thank You!
Hard to believe you could break a carbon bolt putting it in the quiver, learning the hard way is expensive. Wow 400 FPS is wicked fast.
Nice looking shop Andy.
Thanks Don. I love my Parker's but for $599 and 407fps, couldn't resist.
@@underdogoutdoors Just got mine in yesterday. What I found about quiver loading is as follows. Set in place and push to left or right to widen the opening and roll bolt into position. simple, easy, and not much pressure required. Hope this helps someone. Thank you for the great vids!
@@mikkichaplain435 Thanks for the input! I've been super careful with the quiver, the crossbow is holding up nicely, hope it serves you well.
just put together my 430x yesterday, noticed the sane thing about that quiver...I twist the rubber slightly, but still a pain
I removed one of the rubber arrow holders on the quiver, much better. Unscrew the 2 small screws & slide it down. Seems 2 only make it more difficult.
Very helpful information. Did you use 400 grain bolts as recommended by Centerpoint? Thanks!
I just read your reply to another subscriber...so no need to respond to my question! I wanted to know if the bow needed to shoot p!us 400 grain bolts to protect the li.bs. It seems it does well the recommended weights!
I'm sure it can shoot a few grains lighter than 400, but feel it best to keep it close, 400gn at +400fps+ is magic.@@Mark-on7pz
Looks like the scope is too far back?
How has your Wrath held up? I keep reading issues about Centerpoint crossbows across the board relating to cams leaning and/or bending, limbs cracking and string failure.
Other than needing to use lock-tite during initial assembly, I have not had any issues, it shoots well after much use and is still accurate.
@@underdogoutdoorsGreat to hear and thanks for the update!
Thanks for the great video.
Appreciate it!
Thank you I’m looking at getting into the archery game so this was a great video 🎉
Thank you & good luck, I've been using it all bow season and it's holding up, very accurate.
Your shooting the Centerpoint select bolts? Do you see the need for custom bolts? Everything I have seen they seem to shoot pretty good. I have a 430x coming in this week and I'm just trying to get everything I need to start shooting. I am 6'2 and need the adjustable stock and I am putting on the oracle x so I need the adjustable cheek piece too but all the reviews on the 430x seem to leave out those two details, not one shows the cheek piece adjustability, but I appreciate your review of the 430 and any info you could help me out with!
I actually purchased 2 of the 430X (one for myself & one for a friend) & set them both up- since I made this video. No need for custom bolts, I did go with Killer Instinct Hyperlite 370gn bolts (that's 270 for the bolt plus a 100gn broadhead = 370gn) & I used 125gn Swhackers for no other reason than I wanted to try them, didn't need to do this- makes them a little more front of center & total weight 5gn lighter at 395gn vs 400gn. You can use the Centerpoint bolts & scope it comes with, they are fine. The cheek piece on the 430X is adjustable, there are 2 screws on each side, and the adjustable piece has about 1/2 inch of play up or down. It's a great crossbow, in my opinion. With that Oracle X, it should be very nice. Good luck with it!
@@underdogoutdoors and it shoots ok with the 3 inch vains?
@@underdogoutdoors so many people online say to shoot heavy bolts and be around 450-500 grains but I didn't buy this thing to slow it down, I thought about maybe doing a set up like yours but I wasn't really sure, maybe now I will, do you shoot the 370 grain set up practicing ? That set up must be crazy fast. I have had my Barnett ghost 410 for the last 8 yrs and this 430 will be quite an upgrade, nothing wrong with the ghost, just wanted something a little smaller, Thanks again for talking with me,!
yes@@brianscott1894
With the Killer Instinct Hyper lite bolts, and a 125gn broadhead, it's 395 gn, only 5 grains lighter than the original Centerpoint bolts with 100gn broadhead. Xbows in general are loud, so I like the speed vs heavy bolt- it's personal preference. No need to do what I did, you can easily use the bolts it comes with.@@brianscott1894
I had this crossbow in my sites, thank you
Your Welcome!
Are the cams Aluminum? They almost look composite in all the pictures I can find.
Sorry for the late reply, just seeing this now. The cams are aluminum & holding up well.
Any problems with the silent crank?
Very disappointed w/ my Centerpoint 425 Patriot that it broke the adjustable stock where the power crank hooks up. Never even had a chance to sight it in. Very poorly engineered. The Wrath silent crank appears to be better placed than the CP Patriots is.
No issues at all with the silent crank, it will get tangled up, so I suggest not leaving it extended, in other words, keeping it cranked in after using.
@underdog outdoors will do, and thanks for sharing
Great video. Thank you.
Hope it helped!
In case there are no replacement parts available, how do you repair it?
Centerpoint is a big company, they own Raven, they have parts. Strings and cables are available from aftermarket companies like 60X. Thanks for watching!
Centerpoint has plenty of service options. Bow has 5yr warranty.
Mankung makes the wrath for centerpoint too, worst case contact them. They also make the rest of the centerpoint line up, they have cams, limbs, string etc etc on their website. I really like Mankung/centerpoint bows. One thing, when you get any new crossbow or really anything; take it apart, completely and lock tight everything , taking your sweet time to put everything back together with utmost precision to maintain accuracy. Blue or purple lock tight works best. Don’t use red or god forbid yellow lol, you will never get it off.
ive seen a russian video where they shot this crossbow and showed it in slowmotion. Now i have no idea if this has anything to say, but one could see a pretty significant movement of the limbs and cams after the arrow was released. The cams twisted back and it created some weird angles that didnt look like it was easy on the material. Maybe this is normal, maybe they used very light arrows. I have no clue. Im also thinking about buying this bow, unfortunately i havent found many others showing the shots in slowmotion so i cant compare.
It's a decent xbow for the money. I've had many crossbows & use them in all conditions, after dealing with the few issues I went over in the video, this xbow is a good value. It shoots accurately & has held up over time, for me anyhow. Fortunately, the market is competitive & there's lots out there that may be good as well, all part of the fun! Good luck in your research & thank you for the feedback.
That is the argument for heavier bolts but I have never seen a video showing light vs heavy bolt on limb and string vibrations
The quiver is tight so that as the crossbow gets broken in and used a lot they don't become loose or rattle. If they fit perfect from the start after a few months or hundred shots the bolts would fall out with a little rough handling or shock. I recently found out Centerpoint and Ravin are one in the same now after a merger. You are getting Ravin engineering and technology for 1/2 or 1/3 the price when you buy a Centerpoint. Also Centerpoint has exploded diagrams of every model on their website and they sell you every single replacement part you want to buy. This is a major selling point to me as being able to maintain and repair my crossbows myself without sending the whole thing back. Not only is shipping expensive for a entire crossbow, but you run the risk of being badly damaged and or being stolen as well. I would rather repair it myself and be able to buy replacement parts. Something many of the other larger more established names in crossbows should take note of and pay attention to. "I just need to buy and replace this one part....I don't need to send the entire thing back and be out of that crossbow for weeks or months waiting on you.">
Does it have A mounting lug for A bayonet ?
Yes, next to the grenade launcher.
Tell me about the trigger, what weight does it break at?
I'm no refined expert but I can tell you, I've hunted with xbows for 15 years and the trigger is very nice, no creep, more than adequate. No clue the poundage it breaks at other than it's not bad. Hope that helps.
Which bolts and broadheads are you using?
For some reason, just seeing this comment now, my apologies. Using the stock bolts and 100gn Slick Trick broadheads.
Can you DeCock with the crank?
I don't believe so.
you did a good job with your review ,,, how is it still holding up ?
Thanks! It's holding up great, solid, great crossbow for the money for sure.
How heavy would you say the trigger pull is on it?
I have not put a scale on it, I am happy with the trigger pull.
How would it do for game like elk?
It's much heavier than a compound bow to carry, but it's also faster & more accurate, xbow will have more penetration as well. With a good sling or backpack you can strap the crossbow, it's definitely an option- if the law allows.
Can it shoot bread sticks, with garlic tips....?....I am going hunting in Italy soon....thanks...
Just an idea something I do on any new quiver and a little wax to where they lock in you'll find how much easier they slide in and out Don't go crazy
Thank you, that's a great idea!
If you didn't buy this bow. What would you buy
There's not much out there as compact as this Wrath 430 close to the same price. I do like the Wicked Ridge line, a good company & good value.
would you recomend it for a begginer?
If you follow all the safety precautions, same as any other on the market, and tighten down the bolts mentioned, I think a beginner would be fine with it. It's a high performance bow at a reasonable low price.
@@underdogoutdoors thanks I am looking for a croosbow and this one is one of my options, greetings
@@alejandrogarzon6834 It's a good choice
@@underdogoutdoors my friend thanks for all
Is the arrow rail aluminum?
Yes, it's an aluminum rail. The crossbow is built well.
@@underdogoutdoors thank you
I NEVER USE THE QUIVERS THAT COME WITH THEM ANY WAY . I USE A HIP QUIVER . AND NEVER USE THE STOCK SCOPES EITHER .. AND I USE BOW-JAX LIMB SILENCERS , STRING SILENCERS , ETC .
Separate quiver is a great idea. I agree 100%
The 400-500 year old bows used a double handle crank system.
Wonder why no bow is using that double-so-powerful-cranking-system today. It would mean double the speed to load the same bow.
Amazing, the technology from way back then.
More weight. Less compact.
This is how a review video should be done!
Thanks!
It says the strings should cross on the right side of the bow. You have them crossing on the left side.
True, It felt better that way, also they cross on the left in every picture I saw.
is this something specified in the manual? because the official Centerpoint assembly video instructs you to assemble it with the cable slide on the right side of the strings crossing, making the strings cross on the left once it is fully assembled, just double checked the video to make sure i didnt assemble mine wrong
I would believe the manual is correct, I assembled according to the photo on the box & so far, no issues. I understand the confusion. @@ClobberingSocks
How much does this weigh? Just curious.
I believe it's around 9lbs with scope & full quiver. I'd have to go back & check, but it's likely close to that.
Looks similar to the Scorpion S….good crossbow!
You know to be honest it's a toss-up between that crossbow and the Barnett crossbow because they're both made in China but I believe the Barnett's have a better trigger I shot one of those once and it man it had a heavy heavy trigger maybe there was something wrong with it I don't know but I didn't like the trigger pull on it at all and it seemed to be really heavy to front heavy
Barnett is made in Florida. Centerpoint is made overseas but not China lol
I love mine
I like center point 👍 strong good crossbows.
Way better than my old whamo .
wish companies would just offer the models slightly cheaper with no scope instead of making you pay for a cheap one many replace anyway.
The scope it comes with actually isn't bad, my friend is using it on his xbow & it's extremely usable.
Right im sure it works fine, but just how everything in the crossbow market is "full beginner kit" mindset. Compared to rifle market for example where large majority assume you want to pickout your own accesorys and dont force you to buy them with the main product.
I believe you put the cable slide on the wrong side
cant wait to get the HEAT 425 into my hands....
I believe it's a quality crossbow, and a great value.
Very good 👍👍🥰🇰🇷🌷⚘
That plastic cooking hook snapped in half on the VERY FIRST draw!! I'm actually on the road now to return this P.O.S
Sorry to hear, so far, my cocking sled has had no issues, good luck with the return.
@@underdogoutdoors Durhams refused the return. Claiming a crossbow is a firearm. I was told to purchase a new draw sled.
It all boils down to trust. This is a deadly tool with very cheap accessories. Which makes me question the quality & workmanship of the entire product. I don't feel safe shooting this product 20' up in a tree.
@@cw6136 I completely understand.
@@underdogoutdoors The left cam is seized. This explains why the draw sled broke. It looks like I'll have to try my luck with the BBB and potentially see if my bank will honor a charge back. Just an FYI. Buyer beware when shopping @ Dunham's Sports.
@@cw6136 no crossbow is returnable. They have a warranty, use it.
All new crossbows need locktite!
White text in your thumbnails will stand out better
Thanks brother!
All xbow quivers are junk, if kept on bow
I take the quiver off when on stand.
Centerpoint Wrath 430, is it Junk? With the word "Junk" in the subject heading you set a poor mental picture in the mind of your viewers...bad! Regarding the issues you outline...insignificant. I never mount a quiver on my bow...weighty! Using loktite to secure bolts may be problematic if disassembly is required but there again not a problem.
Specifications.
Velocity Up to 430 fps
Width (axle-to-axle) Cocked 9.00 in
Width (axle-to-axle) Uncocked 13.00 in
Draw Weight 200 lbs
Power Stroke 15.00 in
Weight 8.3 lbs
Product Length 28.26 in
String Length 33.78 in
Overall Length 28.26 in
Price ~$700 USD
Thanks for the feedback!
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