I Am 48 years old and a long time pra titioner of Muay Thai, Kali, and Western Boxing -with 4 years of formal wing chun training. After doing some research in to the CLF system I’m convinced that if I could relive my high school and college years studying traditional martial arts, I would have gone with Choy Li Fut.
Lol. Let's see clip of your muaythai mastery. I have no athletic gift, a true desk jockey who started muaythai at 57. Today I'm 78 and still train muaythai three times a week. No wing chun teacher in Thailand dare to test me out. Here is clip of yours truly training muaythai at 76++. I also do sparring and clinching once a week. I don't think Choy Lay Fut is taught in Thailand. ua-cam.com/video/Dv-vbV25SCQ/v-deo.html
I actually practice both Wing Chun and Choy Lay Fut. Both are great arts and can fill in the gaps of the other. I will say however that Wing Chun doesn't work unless you're in close. Getting there is the problem and to be honest, most Wing Chun guys have no clue how to get on the inside without eating punches. There are some things that are taught like Biu Sao, but they have limited application if you're trying to get in. Choy Lay Fut and Boxing has specific techniques and drills for this and I think is better for competitive fighting. Wing Chun is really designed for street fighting and self defense. In a street situation, you don't need to close the gap. The opponent closes it for you. Then you unload all your heavy artillery. One art is not better than the other. They have different purposes. A wrench is not better than a hammer.
That's a fair assessment.Another problem with Wing Chun is that the would be practitioner forgets it has a specific application, in close quarters, and if you don't understand fighting in general,,, you'll get handed a beat down rather quickly. That's why I have begun to say it's an advanced form, very simple to learn , hard to understand. Hawkins Cheung use to say that we are no better off with any style if we don't know how to use it in a real fight.
@kevinhammond2187 That sounds like a good combination. I think it's hard to really become your best with only one system. You need more than one to really learn to flow in your own way.
First martial art I have ever done was Kyokishin Karate after about 6moths I have joined Choi Lay Fut Kung Fu and was on may way in life. I was only 16 years of age but I haven't been in a fight since. True spirit of Kung Fu set me up for life. Its not just about fighting but been able to handle anything that comes at ya. Love Choi Lay Fut
I have been studying at Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut in Fremont under Sifus Shane and Grandmaster Vince Lacey for over 6 years, and I would never substitute them for any other teacher. They are the best. Come and join us and you will be treated with respect and like a family member.
If you are in Perth, the Chinese kung Fu and Tai Chi Academy in Balcatta is run by one of grandmaster Vince Lacey's Students, Sifu George. It is an excellent school in which to learn traditional buk sing choy li fut from a great master.
Great Stuff, Well Done! I was a Past student of Choy Lay Fut in Western Australia, trained in Western Australia and Vietnam for 6 months, now living in Thailand. For anybody who may think, is this Chinese Kung Fu Effective or any good... ABSOLUTELY YES, there is no Bullshit here, it is a Pure and Quality Art. Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut is a Martial Art that if you have the access to be able to learn it from a Quality and Qualified Teacher of the Family... You are Lucky. Great Video!
from what i understand, the laceys approach to choy li fat is very practical, and when they show a technique they do it with convincing explosive power, and teach applications in a practical way. I believe some of these techniques would actually work in the street in a self defense situation. I wouldn't have messed with the lacey brothers in their heydey, or even when they got older. The lacey brothers, were well respected in the CLF community, even by chinese teachers overseas. I think they both passed away unfortunately.
I was a purple Sash here when i was 11 years old, sadly i moved to LA, but i never forget the teachings i learned here, including the 7 stances! Ive done tae kwon doe, hapkido, and some judo here but nothing will ever compare to what i learned from Sifu Vince and Shane lacey, these guys are legends and true masters! Kung Fu will change your life, so what are you waiting for?
i love choi lee fut. i think it has application for competition and real confrontation. Understanding everything about whatever you study is important. this includes its flaws or weaknesses. only when you unserstand this can you use it effectively. this way you will be open to more answers and better prepared. if you ignore the shortcomings of it yoh will fall victim to them. just like anything in life.
The most powerful CLF practitioner I've seen is sifu Gary Sherbrooke here in Australia. Both in comps , working security , even got to see him in Jackie Chans "mister nice guy" made in Melbourne. Pure dynamic strength and scary as hell. 🙏
Thank you for sharing your wisdom and excellent skills of Choy Lay Fut. Your movements truly display your many years of experience. As I watch you perform the Katas I can sense some serious inward energy,focus, concentration, chi, and strength flowing. Ous.
I was born in Vietnam and only 5 foot 4 and 135 pounds and studied Wing Chun when I was 15 and now I m 45 year old but so far I saw no one wants to mess with me! maybe I m too small for them I guess?
Listen up everybody has an opinion but opinions rarely change things. You fight the person(s) not the style , it is never the style that wins but the training/determination of the individual. Clf is an extremely good martial art but u must be dedicated to master it. God bless all
I think WC is arguably the most integrated defensive system out there. Of the systems Bruce absorbed and innovated Wing Chun forms a stable backbone to the other additions.To quote the art of war, " First put yourself beyond defeat." Bruce was an astute philosopher. Choy Li fut is a beautiful system, it is really the forerunner to Jeet Kun Do as it is a deadly synthesis of Northern and Southern Shaolin systems. Incorporating both long and short range attack and more importantly and philosophically linear and circular attack as demonstrated by the Ng Lun Ma and Ng Lun Chui forms all novices learn. There are many similarities between the systems. For example, Choy Li Fut also contains it's own wooden dummy, it is not the exclusive domain of WC. Notable differences include a lower stance in CLF, more akin to Hung gar and a more complete leg striking repertoire. The CLF system and it's subschools have also integrate animal systems and for my money offer more dynamic attacking opportunities in jumping, rolling and sweeping techniques, view intercepting the tiger for demonstration. ( Jit fu ( choi) ) Every system has it's own internal struggle between immutability of the system versus continual development, the diverse expression of the choy li fut system reflects this.
You should study Northern Shaolin First. Then gradually add other styles. Then come back and write about your experiences. You'll never make such a uniformed statement like that again.
Supermomo2007, that's funny. I spent much time with Chiu Chi Ling and even he didn't say anything like that. Do you know he is? Maybe you should look him up.
I've never trained in BSCLY or Wing Chun. But based on everything I've seen, including real fights from both styles. Choy Lay Fut is much better than Wing Chun, by far. Wing Chun techniques can't be apply in real fights against an average to below average opponent. CLF techniques are probably the most realistic and practical amongst Kung Fu styles.
All fighters use kung-fu techniques, whether they know it or not,it's inevitable, since kung-fu is the mother, father,grandfather etc.of all martial arts!
Kung Fu really translates to hard work. There are thousands of styles and variations in every village and province, and ethnic groups. Who knows how they all came about. Just study get healthy and enjoy.
Not really, You need get in a ring with a real fighter from each style and then afterwards count the wounds and bruises before making a blanket statement like that.Fool !!
i like this video. haters can go jump in a lake. any style is effective. not just the styles used in MMA. the applications in this video is an example of how kung fu styles are effective. and that all styles need application and conditioning, along with the techniques, to be effective. what good is it, if someone says that they know muay thai or BJJ, but they dont know know the proper applications? or didn't train well? that applies to everything else.
I think a wing chun fighter is good with tight knit speed boxing in close range.. But, choy lay fut is more of a complete athlete. It is more full-bodied in athleticism. And is complimentary to circulation that better mobilizes the practitioners. The choy lay fut has a greater hip strength than wing chun. If you did wing chun; you would gave to add routines to make hip strength and foot hydraulic.
Shane will get whooped with that guy, Emin is fastest for him, Shane doesn't even fight in the street with buck sing like how we do look at my master David Lacey "Buck Sing" that's how we roll real combat in the street
Supermomo2007, Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut practitioners have been known to break jaws of Wing Chun students. I love both styles but CLF is ruthless and devastating. Especially Buk Sing CLF.
Having practiced Wing Chun, and studied many years in Mantis, Hakka Kuen, and some Bagua, Tai Chi, I can see no clear advantage over any style versus another. It's whats within you that makes the difference in Kung Fu. If i had to say what styles to start with..?? Long Fist, any variation, then White Crane, which are rare styles in American schools. Then It's Eagle Claw, or Shui Jiao. Choi Li Fut and Wing Chun are too dangerous to learn without proper discipline, and understanding. When you truly master martial arts , and get too old you'll fall in love with Tai Chi , and internal styles, and care less about fighting. Now if fighting is your thing then Tang Lang (Mantis) , Baji Quan are good styles as is Choi li Fut.
The Abominable Snowman Nobody studies ONLY a single form for their entire lives if they have any talent at all. If they did there wouldn't be any masters. You learn all the basics in a few years, then all the intermediate stuff in a few more, then all the advanced stuff... so on and so forth for the rest of your life. This way you can learn many styles, CMAs also have a lot of overlaps in earlier levels.
Styles and forms are not the same thing, and the words should not be used interchangeably. I'm sure many schools teach fifteen forms or more, but it is unlikely any would teach as many as fifteen styles, unless it was very big. Even my local Martial Arts centre doesn't accommodate that many I think. A form is a set of moves in a particular sequence, a but like a choreographed dance. A style is normally made up of a number of forms and techniques, but the number of forms will vary from style to style. It is certainly the case that learning one form would be unlikely, and you would need to learn a lot more to master a style, but it would be unlikely anyone would learn as many as fifteen different styles. In Choy Li fut there are maybe 200 or more forms and it is unlikely any one person knows all of them, no matter how well learned they are. There are some styles which are more limited, so it can be well worth learning more than one. Choy Li Fut will probably be enough for me because there is a lot in it, and I came to Kung Fu rather late in life. I do learn Tai Chi as well though.
Hung Sing Choy Li Fut Lady虎爪 I wrote what I meant. The full curriculum has over 250 forms. We teach them in a weird way in that we learn basic forms from most styles first, then more advanced forms, then master level forms. For example, I know: Jap Hsiao Ma from Cheung Kune, Lau Gar from Lau Gar Kune, Pei Kwei Kwan (I think that's a weapon form from Cheung Kune), Lin Bo Kune I think that's Northern Shaollin, next I learn Lo Ro Dinn Da Siu Lum Kune. Siu Lin Tau rom a separate class my school started a few months ago when Si Fu Edwards started a Saturday class, and from another class my school teaches I know 2 wushu forms: Yang 24 and Combination 48, and Yang 52 Sword, hopefully Chen 108 next.... We are very lucky to have had 3 masters start the school and pass on most of their forms and lineage and also we are friends with other masters of Wing Chun, Hung Gar, and Chow Gar... But yeah, We have a 40+ year curriculum.
The top martial arts that are close enough to be complete; Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, Iwama-ryu Aikido, Hung Gar, Choy Li Fut, Bersilat/Pencak Silat, Kalaripayattu & Hwa Rang Do. Wing Chun is not a complete form of kung fu so against styles like Hung Gar and Choy Li Fut even a good Wing Chun stylist could lose to those specific styles.
chineseboxer9991 Before the Shaolin temple was burnt down, they had a variety of kung fu masters there trying to develop a new system, that uses the most direct and devastating moves (From their own styles) and does not take a student (Rebel) long to become proficient at (Most kung fu styles take at least 5 to 7 years for a student to become good) since they needed something quick so the rebels can easily master it. Unfortunately the temple was burnt down before the new system was completed. Legend have it that only top 5 masters escaped alive (Masters Hung, Choy, Lee, Lau and Mok). The new system in its infancy was abandoned if not for a nun who later taught it to Wing Chun. At that time the system didn't even have a name. Another legend is that Wing Chun either studied with master Choy, his son or maybe married one of them (Not sure which...as even different schools of Wing Chun have different stories). Wing Chun only studied a few years of the Choy Gar (Family) style....which added to her repertoire. Still the style which was named after Wing Chun is missing all the power generating circular moves, long distance attacks and jumping kicks of Shaolin. Not to put Wing Chun down....the style is very proficient in tight and close quarters fighting. In Hong Kong in the 1970's they had "Elevator" challenges....fighters would fight in an elevator as it goes up 5 or 6 floors....usually the Wing Chun practitioner would win by the time the elevator reached the top (Or bottom). But fighting in an area where the opponent have lots of place to move around, or fighting multiple opponents (This is where circular swinging moves become very useful) the Wing Chun practitioner is at the disadvantage.
JH P In Hong Kong....in competition it have been WC or CLF being the best for decades. So it have to do with the fighter/competitor also. I've done a bit of WC and I find I do not get a good workout from it. CLF forms makes you sweat and leaves you breathless. WC is good for close-in one-on-one combat...the style pivots but don't encourage too much in moving in different directions. CLF, Hung Gar, Eagle Claw, Praying Mantis etc. have lots of footwork which move the practitioner around, also they pivot. In a close-in area....like a closet or elevator, the WC practitioner definitely will have the advantage. In an area where the fighters can move around the WC guy will be at a disadvantage. WC is very steeped in counter defense....they wait for the opponent to move before they themselves react. That's one of the reason Bruce Lee looked into and added other moves from other systems to his WC foundation. He needed to initiate the attack first. And in real life waiting sometimes is not the best choice if you've to protect 2 or 3 people with you. WC attacks and defense are very short and straight line...point A to point B....very good and fast. But CLF have those moves in their curriculum: Bong Sau, Lop Sau, Kiu Sau, Bui Jee, Chup Chiu etc. Sorry, didn't see my own earlier reply...so I didn't know I was repeating myself. ha ha Carry on and practice hard.
@sil rayman how are they similar? I found a CLF school near my home, but have been looking for Baguazhang without luck. IF CLF is similar, I might be happy with that school. Can you explain your assessment?
lifesabuzz As far as I know Wing Chun is a direct short distance Martial Art and Choy Lee fut is a circular and long distance, you can compare somehow Tai chi with CLF in terms of circular techniques but one is internal and the other is external, beside, wing chun as been direct you can compare it with the Japanese and Korean Martial arts more straight or with some northern shaolin styles, it is said Wing chun is older than the Choy Lee fut with the story of a woman creating the system but both grew up in the XIX century and expand in the XX century around the world... I agree with you the click bait of the title is a shame...
Jose Alejandro Lozano Lamus I agree with your analogy of the arts you mentioned and I just would have enjoyed the video more had the title been more honest...
I am not sure of the technical differences between Buk Sing and Fut San Hung Sing, but the lineage is slightly different. They were both developed by people who learned Chan Family Choy Li Fut, then left and developed their styles based on the Choy Li Fut they learned. Chan Family Choy Li Fut was developed by Chan Heung. Cheung Hung Sing or Jeong Yim- his name varies a bit, initially learned at Chan Heung's school by secretly watching Chan Heung. When Chan Heung realised he started teaching him properly, but when the rest of the family discovered this Jeong Yim had to leave because they were very strict back then about not teaching outside the family. Chan Heung sent him to a teacher known as the Green Grass Monk and after he completed his training he developed Fut San Hung Sing Choy Li Fut. This made him a second generation Choy Li Fut master. Tam Sam started his training in a Chan Family Choy Li Fut school then after he left, built on what he learned to create Buk Sing Choy Li Fut. Fut San Hung Sing has ten forms and at least Butterfly Knives and Staff as weapons, but I'm not sure what else. I think Tam Sam learned a bit less before he stopped his training in Chan Family Choy Li Fut school, but I can't remember what exactly. I did see a list once. I think Tam Sam was third generation.
good stuff!choy lay fut,wing chun and filipino martial arts are my 3 favorite martial arts!i wish i ahd 3 lifetimes to learn them all! anyway!i ahve uplaod 2 complinaiton vid of wing chun vs other arts!check them in my channel if you are intrest!
Jack... That's ignorant, u wanna ask what's the best style? WC person of course hell say that, it's who u R, you can train all you want, that don't mean you can fight because of that
Boztepe turned an ass-whipping from bas ruten. Bozpeepee was tough in time when "fighters" were uninformed and lowly skilled;today he would do well to stick to the same.
Wing Chun is a good art, just misunderstood. It takes an advanced practitioner to master it''s intricacies. Just any ol regular idiot will have no clue how it's used.
I Am 48 years old and a long time pra titioner of Muay Thai, Kali, and Western Boxing -with 4 years of formal wing chun training. After doing some research in to the CLF system I’m convinced that if I could relive my high school and college years studying traditional martial arts, I would have gone with Choy Li Fut.
Lol. Let's see clip of your muaythai mastery. I have no athletic gift, a true desk jockey who started muaythai at 57. Today I'm 78 and still train muaythai three times a week. No wing chun teacher in Thailand dare to test me out. Here is clip of yours truly training muaythai at 76++. I also do sparring and clinching once a week. I don't think Choy Lay Fut is taught in Thailand.
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I actually practice both Wing Chun and Choy Lay Fut. Both are great arts and can fill in the gaps of the other. I will say however that Wing Chun doesn't work unless you're in close. Getting there is the problem and to be honest, most Wing Chun guys have no clue how to get on the inside without eating punches. There are some things that are taught like Biu Sao, but they have limited application if you're trying to get in. Choy Lay Fut and Boxing has specific techniques and drills for this and I think is better for competitive fighting. Wing Chun is really designed for street fighting and self defense. In a street situation, you don't need to close the gap. The opponent closes it for you. Then you unload all your heavy artillery. One art is not better than the other. They have different purposes. A wrench is not better than a hammer.
That's a fair assessment.Another problem with Wing Chun is that the would be practitioner forgets it has a specific application, in close quarters, and if you don't understand fighting in general,,, you'll get handed a beat down rather quickly. That's why I have begun to say it's an advanced form, very simple to learn , hard to understand. Hawkins Cheung use to say that we are no better off with any style if we don't know how to use it in a real fight.
I practice Kenpo and Wing Chun and smatterings of other arts
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@kevinhammond2187 That sounds like a good combination. I think it's hard to really become your best with only one system. You need more than one to really learn to flow in your own way.
I totally agree with you!
First martial art I have ever done was Kyokishin Karate after about 6moths I have joined Choi Lay Fut Kung Fu and was on may way in life. I was only 16 years of age but I haven't been in a fight since. True spirit of Kung Fu set me up for life. Its not just about fighting but been able to handle anything that comes at ya. Love Choi Lay Fut
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Perfect brother 🙏
Choy Lay Fut=the most complete and well rounded style of Kung Fu ever exist in world's today. Long live 👊👊👊
gaps in CLF?? problem with CLF is that there is too much
I have been studying at Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut in Fremont under Sifus Shane and Grandmaster Vince Lacey for over 6 years, and I would never substitute them for any other teacher. They are the best. Come and join us and you will be treated with respect and like a family member.
+Nancy Tobesman , too far unfortunately. There needs to be more schools in the USA
+JH P you think it's far,,,I am in Australia...man I wish I could train like this! Just what my 40 year old waist line and stale Kung Fu needs!
If you are in Perth, the Chinese kung Fu and Tai Chi Academy in Balcatta is run by one of grandmaster Vince Lacey's Students, Sifu George. It is an excellent school in which to learn traditional buk sing choy li fut from a great master.
I wish I could, but Sifu George's sifu Vince Lacey is my Sifu, all the way in California.
Sorry, meant to direct that comment to +Four Owls
Great Stuff, Well Done!
I was a Past student of Choy Lay Fut in Western Australia, trained in Western Australia and Vietnam for 6 months, now living in Thailand.
For anybody who may think, is this Chinese Kung Fu Effective or any good... ABSOLUTELY YES, there is no Bullshit here, it is a Pure and Quality Art.
Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut is a Martial Art that if you have the access to be able to learn it from a Quality and Qualified Teacher of the Family... You are Lucky.
Great Video!
Its very honest theres not a lot of nonsense
Yes , quality is key .
I remember Ermac had this style in MK Deception lol it was my shit.
from what i understand, the laceys approach to choy li fat is very practical, and when they show a technique they do it with convincing explosive power, and teach applications in a practical way. I believe some of these techniques would actually work in the street in a self defense situation. I wouldn't have messed with the lacey brothers in their heydey, or even when they got older.
The lacey brothers, were well respected in the CLF community, even by chinese teachers overseas. I think they both passed away unfortunately.
Nice video
awesome kung fu masters the Lacey family
I was a purple Sash here when i was 11 years old, sadly i moved to LA, but i never forget the teachings i learned here, including the 7 stances! Ive done tae kwon doe, hapkido, and some judo here but nothing will ever compare to what i learned from Sifu Vince and Shane lacey, these guys are legends and true masters! Kung Fu will change your life, so what are you waiting for?
i love choi lee fut. i think it has application for competition and real confrontation. Understanding everything about whatever you study is important. this includes its flaws or weaknesses. only when you unserstand this can you use it effectively. this way you will be open to more answers and better prepared. if you ignore the shortcomings of it yoh will fall victim to them. just like anything in life.
Thank you. Much respect for your dedication. May you and your system thrive through the generations.
The legendary Sifu Laceys!! Respect
Choy Li Fut interesting but I will priorise Wing Chun straightforwardness and speed of economical movements...
Cool
Just combine...wing chun directness with walloping knock out Choy la fut haymakers and upper cut
The most powerful CLF practitioner I've seen is sifu Gary Sherbrooke here in Australia. Both in comps , working security , even got to see him in Jackie Chans "mister nice guy" made in Melbourne. Pure dynamic strength and scary as hell. 🙏
Increíble , beautiful art.
Choy lay Fut so damn awesome and effective also beautiful I want to learn
this a beautiful art! It looks like the movement Bruce Lee did during his demonstration.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom and excellent skills of Choy Lay Fut. Your movements truly display your many years of experience. As I watch you perform the Katas I can sense some serious inward energy,focus, concentration, chi, and strength flowing. Ous.
kung fu doesn't call their forms KATA's. only Karate people do
shrimp boy, clearly... Yet they're entirely synonymous.
@@tednpam3979 not suggestible, especially to chinese.
I was born in Vietnam and only 5 foot 4 and 135 pounds and studied Wing Chun when I was 15 and now I m 45 year old but so far I saw no one wants to mess with me! maybe I m too small for them I guess?
If a choy li fut guy and a wing chun guy fought, my money is on the CLF guy, because they practice combos similar to boxing.
I learned Buk Sing for 3-4 years.
Nice video very good Choy li fit.
Excellent.
Listen up everybody has an opinion but opinions rarely change things. You fight the person(s) not the style , it is never the style that wins but the training/determination of the individual. Clf is an extremely good martial art but u must be dedicated to master it. God bless all
Ray Aldersea, yes and no. I certainly wouldn't say that ALL styles are completely equal.
I think WC is arguably the most integrated defensive system out there. Of the systems Bruce absorbed and innovated Wing Chun forms a stable backbone to the other additions.To quote the art of war, " First put yourself beyond defeat." Bruce was an astute philosopher.
Choy Li fut is a beautiful system, it is really the forerunner to Jeet Kun Do as it is a deadly synthesis of Northern and Southern Shaolin systems. Incorporating both long and short range attack and more importantly and philosophically linear and circular attack as demonstrated by the Ng Lun Ma and Ng Lun Chui forms all novices learn. There are many similarities between the systems. For example, Choy Li Fut also contains it's own wooden dummy, it is not the exclusive domain of WC. Notable differences include a lower stance in CLF, more akin to Hung gar and a more complete leg striking repertoire. The CLF system and it's subschools have also integrate animal systems and for my money offer more dynamic attacking opportunities in jumping, rolling and sweeping techniques, view intercepting the tiger for demonstration. ( Jit fu ( choi) ) Every system has it's own internal struggle between immutability of the system versus continual development, the diverse expression of the choy li fut system reflects this.
Hung gar has more grappling than choy lee fut!!!
That was a very good explanation
You should study Northern Shaolin First. Then gradually add other styles. Then come back and write about your experiences. You'll never make such a uniformed statement like that again.
@@theophilussparks5839What about what he said is wrong?
Please pay attention at 10:00 do you hear the energy that is flowing as this Instructor is performing this Kata. Ous.
So the fighting scene from the movie Yip Man 2 isn't actually Choy Lay Fut, but Hung Gar vs. Yip Man's (Donnie Yen) Wing Chun.
I am from wing chun, but I am very interested by this style, choy li fut, choy lay fut? 🙏
Wow, I love that jumping hammerfist move. Gonna have to try to use that.
Incredibly strong and powerful...CLF. Simply should NOT be trifled with...Hard-Core Chinese Style as Us Chinese Should know!GC.
hung gar is more hardcore than choy lee fut.
Supermomo2007, that's funny. I spent much time with Chiu Chi Ling and even he didn't say anything like that. Do you know he is? Maybe you should look him up.
@@tednpam3979 he is modest guy)). I know him
Excellent !
I've never trained in BSCLY or Wing Chun. But based on everything I've seen, including real fights from both styles. Choy Lay Fut is much better than Wing Chun, by far. Wing Chun techniques can't be apply in real fights against an average to below average opponent. CLF techniques are probably the most realistic and practical amongst Kung Fu styles.
Clearly you have no understanding of wing Chun or martial arts
All fighters use kung-fu techniques, whether they know it or not,it's inevitable, since kung-fu is the mother, father,grandfather etc.of all martial arts!
Kung Fu really translates to hard work. There are thousands of styles and variations in every village and province, and ethnic groups. Who knows how they all came about. Just study get healthy and enjoy.
Amazing video... Very powerful style (have studied hapgar before, very similar)
As a non-proponent of neither CLF and WC, My opinion is that CLF beats Wing Chun's ass all day, hands down.
Not really, You need get in a ring with a real fighter from each style and then afterwards count the wounds and bruises before making a blanket statement like that.Fool !!
Choy Li Fut is a beautiful system
Great video showcasing the differences- I prefer CLF to Wing Chun.
It's hard to play haki sac and throw in wing chun finesse.
But it is very whole to play haki sac with rudimentary northern style.
i like this video. haters can go jump in a lake. any style is effective. not just the styles used in MMA. the applications in this video is an example of how kung fu styles are effective. and that all styles need application and conditioning, along with the techniques, to be effective. what good is it, if someone says that they know muay thai or BJJ, but they dont know know the proper applications? or didn't train well? that applies to everything else.
Fuck MMA retards
He is very good
master what is the difrence between hung sing and buk sing
These 2 schools were near each other in Hong Kong foot being long
Chun being close and near each other made them not like it other
I think a wing chun fighter is good with tight knit speed boxing in close range..
But, choy lay fut is more of a complete athlete. It is more full-bodied in athleticism. And is complimentary to circulation that better mobilizes the practitioners.
The choy lay fut has a greater hip strength than wing chun. If you did wing chun; you would gave to add routines to make hip strength and foot hydraulic.
I'd pay to see this dude against Emin Boztepe
Shane will get whooped with that guy, Emin is fastest for him, Shane doesn't even fight in the street with buck sing like how we do look at my master David Lacey "Buck Sing" that's how we roll real combat in the street
Emin would whoop anyone period
lol I whoop Emin or any wing chun period
Right!!!
Bruce Lee got whooped by Wong Jack Man...
chow li fu ,more power,more strong,very manly martial arts (like boxing )
chow li fut is better
There is no better only better fit.
wing chun is better
Supermomo2007, Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut practitioners have been known to break jaws of Wing Chun students. I love both styles but CLF is ruthless and devastating. Especially Buk Sing CLF.
Clf is modified hung gar
04:10
Someone can, please, tell me the name of this movie?
Flashpoint
Rafael Gomes muito obrigado!
Looked like flashpoint
Having practiced Wing Chun, and studied many years in Mantis, Hakka Kuen, and some Bagua, Tai Chi, I can see no clear advantage over any style versus another. It's whats within you that makes the difference in Kung Fu. If i had to say what styles to start with..?? Long Fist, any variation, then White Crane, which are rare styles in American schools. Then It's Eagle Claw, or Shui Jiao. Choi Li Fut and Wing Chun are too dangerous to learn without proper discipline, and understanding. When you truly master martial arts , and get too old you'll fall in love with Tai Chi , and internal styles, and care less about fighting. Now if fighting is your thing then Tang Lang (Mantis) , Baji Quan are good styles as is Choi li Fut.
We have over 15 styles in our school. They mix very well if you learn the whole styles instead of a bit of this and a bit of that.
How do you learn 15 styles in one lifetime? I've heard of people study a single form for their entire lives.
The Abominable Snowman Nobody studies ONLY a single form for their entire lives if they have any talent at all. If they did there wouldn't be any masters. You learn all the basics in a few years, then all the intermediate stuff in a few more, then all the advanced stuff... so on and so forth for the rest of your life. This way you can learn many styles, CMAs also have a lot of overlaps in earlier levels.
Styles and forms are not the same thing, and the words should not be used interchangeably. I'm sure many schools teach fifteen forms or more, but it is unlikely any would teach as many as fifteen styles, unless it was very big. Even my local Martial Arts centre doesn't accommodate that many I think. A form is a set of moves in a particular sequence, a but like a choreographed dance. A style is normally made up of a number of forms and techniques, but the number of forms will vary from style to style. It is certainly the case that learning one form would be unlikely, and you would need to learn a lot more to master a style, but it would be unlikely anyone would learn as many as fifteen different styles. In Choy Li fut there are maybe 200 or more forms and it is unlikely any one person knows all of them, no matter how well learned they are. There are some styles which are more limited, so it can be well worth learning more than one. Choy Li Fut will probably be enough for me because there is a lot in it, and I came to Kung Fu rather late in life. I do learn Tai Chi as well though.
Hung Sing Choy Li Fut Lady虎爪 I wrote what I meant. The full curriculum has over 250 forms. We teach them in a weird way in that we learn basic forms from most styles first, then more advanced forms, then master level forms. For example, I know: Jap Hsiao Ma from Cheung Kune, Lau Gar from Lau Gar Kune, Pei Kwei Kwan (I think that's a weapon form from Cheung Kune), Lin Bo Kune I think that's Northern Shaollin, next I learn Lo Ro Dinn Da Siu Lum Kune. Siu Lin Tau rom a separate class my school started a few months ago when Si Fu Edwards started a Saturday class, and from another class my school teaches I know 2 wushu forms: Yang 24 and Combination 48, and Yang 52 Sword, hopefully Chen 108 next.... We are very lucky to have had 3 masters start the school and pass on most of their forms and lineage and also we are friends with other masters of Wing Chun, Hung Gar, and Chow Gar... But yeah, We have a 40+ year curriculum.
Like, my Si Hing just learned a new Bagua Sword form and he's been going to the school for 17 years.
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How about Chris Chan he’s an really old guy but he is still crazy bad dude most likely 82 years old now
Very easy with students a wana to see in a real combat in MMA!!!!
Learning to protect yourself on the streets is more important then fighting in the cage with rules.
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The top martial arts that are close enough to be complete; Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, Iwama-ryu Aikido, Hung Gar, Choy Li Fut, Bersilat/Pencak Silat, Kalaripayattu & Hwa Rang Do. Wing Chun is not a complete form of kung fu so against styles like Hung Gar and Choy Li Fut even a good Wing Chun stylist could lose to those specific styles.
what makes yu say wing chun is not complete?
chineseboxer9991 Before the Shaolin temple was burnt down, they had a variety of kung fu masters there trying to develop a new system, that uses the most direct and devastating moves (From their own styles) and does not take a student (Rebel) long to become proficient at (Most kung fu styles take at least 5 to 7 years for a student to become good) since they needed something quick so the rebels can easily master it.
Unfortunately the temple was burnt down before the new system was completed. Legend have it that only top 5 masters escaped alive (Masters Hung, Choy, Lee, Lau and Mok). The new system in its infancy was abandoned if not for a nun who later taught it to Wing Chun. At that time the system didn't even have a name.
Another legend is that Wing Chun either studied with master Choy, his son or maybe married one of them (Not sure which...as even different schools of Wing Chun have different stories). Wing Chun only studied a few years of the Choy Gar (Family) style....which added to her repertoire. Still the style which was named after Wing Chun is missing all the power generating circular moves, long distance attacks and jumping kicks of Shaolin.
Not to put Wing Chun down....the style is very proficient in tight and close quarters fighting. In Hong Kong in the 1970's they had "Elevator" challenges....fighters would fight in an elevator as it goes up 5 or 6 floors....usually the Wing Chun practitioner would win by the time the elevator reached the top (Or bottom). But fighting in an area where the opponent have lots of place to move around, or fighting multiple opponents (This is where circular swinging moves become very useful) the Wing Chun practitioner is at the disadvantage.
+Jon Miller depending on person not style
+happydragon5077 I know an instructor who know WC and CLF and he favors WC as being the more efficient of them two
JH P In Hong Kong....in competition it have been WC or CLF being the best for decades. So it have to do with the fighter/competitor also. I've done a bit of WC and I find I do not get a good workout from it. CLF forms makes you sweat and leaves you breathless.
WC is good for close-in one-on-one combat...the style pivots but don't encourage too much in moving in different directions. CLF, Hung Gar, Eagle Claw, Praying Mantis etc. have lots of footwork which move the practitioner around, also they pivot.
In a close-in area....like a closet or elevator, the WC practitioner definitely will have the advantage. In an area where the fighters can move around the WC guy will be at a disadvantage.
WC is very steeped in counter defense....they wait for the opponent to move before they themselves react. That's one of the reason Bruce Lee looked into and added other moves from other systems to his WC foundation. He needed to initiate the attack first. And in real life waiting sometimes is not the best choice if you've to protect 2 or 3 people with you.
WC attacks and defense are very short and straight line...point A to point B....very good and fast. But CLF have those moves in their curriculum: Bong Sau, Lop Sau, Kiu Sau, Bui Jee, Chup Chiu etc.
Sorry, didn't see my own earlier reply...so I didn't know I was repeating myself. ha ha
Carry on and practice hard.
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@sil rayman how are they similar? I found a CLF school near my home, but have been looking for Baguazhang without luck. IF CLF is similar, I might be happy with that school. Can you explain your assessment?
+Philo Sophia I think maybe he means the employment of circular movements?
This is Muay thai and judo not chinaese kung fu ok
Lol choy lee fut unlike wc is working
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Why does the title say vs Wing Chun. WC is barely mentioned never even compared??
Disapointed isnt the word...
lifesabuzz As far as I know Wing Chun is a direct short distance Martial Art and Choy Lee fut is a circular and long distance, you can compare somehow Tai chi with CLF in terms of circular techniques but one is internal and the other is external, beside, wing chun as been direct you can compare it with the Japanese and Korean Martial arts more straight or with some northern shaolin styles, it is said Wing chun is older than the Choy Lee fut with the story of a woman creating the system but both grew up in the XIX century and expand in the XX century around the world... I agree with you the click bait of the title is a shame...
Jose Alejandro Lozano Lamus I agree with your analogy of the arts you mentioned and I just would have enjoyed the video more had the title been more honest...
Difference between Buk Sing and Fut San Hung Sing.
I am not sure of the technical differences between Buk Sing and Fut San Hung Sing, but the lineage is slightly different. They were both developed by people who learned Chan Family Choy Li Fut, then left and developed their styles based on the Choy Li Fut they learned. Chan Family Choy Li Fut was developed by Chan Heung. Cheung Hung Sing or Jeong Yim- his name varies a bit, initially learned at Chan Heung's school by secretly watching Chan Heung. When Chan Heung realised he started teaching him properly, but when the rest of the family discovered this Jeong Yim had to leave because they were very strict back then about not teaching outside the family. Chan Heung sent him to a teacher known as the Green Grass Monk and after he completed his training he developed Fut San Hung Sing Choy Li Fut. This made him a second generation Choy Li Fut master. Tam Sam started his training in a Chan Family Choy Li Fut school then after he left, built on what he learned to create Buk Sing Choy Li Fut. Fut San Hung Sing has ten forms and at least Butterfly Knives and Staff as weapons, but I'm not sure what else. I think Tam Sam learned a bit less before he stopped his training in Chan Family Choy Li Fut school, but I can't remember what exactly. I did see a list once. I think Tam Sam was third generation.
good stuff!choy lay fut,wing chun and filipino martial arts are my 3 favorite martial arts!i wish i ahd 3 lifetimes to learn them all!
anyway!i ahve uplaod 2 complinaiton vid of wing chun vs other arts!check them in my channel if you are intrest!
The picture video quality is so poor I can't even read what it says in the intro.
But real western boxing dont throw punches like that.so very hard for you to execute your movments.
Jack... That's ignorant, u wanna ask what's the best style? WC person of course hell say that, it's who u R, you can train all you want, that don't mean you can fight because of that
Boztepe turned an ass-whipping from bas ruten.
Bozpeepee was tough in time when "fighters" were uninformed and lowly skilled;today he would do well to stick to the same.
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Wing Chun is a good art, just misunderstood. It takes an advanced practitioner to master it''s intricacies. Just any ol regular idiot will have no clue how it's used.
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Disappointed purely because of my interest in Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut not WC by the way.
Shane u wack, u ain't buck sing, u can make money on it but a real buck sing will whoop u, loyalty? Wat u kno about loyalty? Pleaseee
+rellirell7200 , he don't know the real buck sing?
+JH P he knows some what, Buck sing that ma life, that a drill that's not how we real fight, David Lacey is my Sifu
Did David Lacey not teach you about being respectful then?