Dynamite Kid vs. Kantaro Hoshino Turns Into A Shoot
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- There was one Japanese wrestler called Hoshino who always wanted to be the big hero in the ring -- well the little prick was only five-foot-four anyway. We wrestled a singles match one night, and all the way through he kept trying it on with me, so in the end, I just opened up on him. Which he didn't like. He had me in a corner, he stuck a grovit on me, and said, under his breath, "You shoot." A grovit is a front facelock, an old Wigan move anyway, but when it's put on you properly, forget it. He would have leaned how to put a grovit on from Karl Gotch, I'm sure. But one thing that I learned from the short time I was at Riley's Gym, was how to get out of one. I reached across for his left elbow and wrenched hard. It took him by surprise, and nearly took one of his fingers off. The next night, me and Bret were wrestling Tiger Mask and Hoshino in a tag match. Before we went to the ring, Sayama came to me and said, "Tommy, no trouble tonight, Please."
小学生の子供の頃は前座でこんな面白い試合が行われてる事なんて全く分からずホーガンが出てくるのを待ちわびれて早く終われなんて思ってました。
それまでの膠着具合が嘘のようなラスト１分間。
興行全体を考えセメントからショーへの切り替えができるのも一流の証。
この動画を拝見させていただきプロレスは相手への尊重と信頼関係とプロレスへの愛と誇りで成り立つんだよなあと改めて思いました。だからプロレスは私達をワクワクさせ楽しませてくれる素晴らしいエンターテイメントになるんだなあと思いました。ありがとうございました。
That Guillotine Hoshino put on him at 5 minutes drained Dynamite fast.
あの黄金期においては紛れもないプロレス小僧でしたが、これは初めて見ました。
星勘さんもキッドさんも大好きな選手でした。貴重な映像をありがとう。
They went from shoot to a worked finished.
That was pretty professional of them, I think alot of us would not trust the other person with their body after something like that. Imagine if Dynamite had tried to hurt him on that pile-driver!?
Dynamite wouldn't have left Japan alive if he had.
Based on all credible accounts, DK was an all-around lousy human being who relished in taking liberties with his opponents. We see here he goes hard on Hoshino and when the Japanese fighter begins to return fire, DK escalates with eye-gouges/trunk pulling/biting and etc.
@@DrJReefer Good!
@@DrJReefer Why? Would the Yakuza have him?
@@leewilliams1987 Oh yeah.
Managed to legit fight each other without exposing the business and shitting on the match.
It wasn't *good* as such but it was fascinating to watch.
Its kinda fascinating
Everybody knows legit fights have 75 lock ups and end in a flying head butt. 🙄
Dynamite's single-leg attempt was interesting. He didn't get it but the shot looked pretty good
@@PunkNDisorderlyGamer I know! A shoot??!?! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
Other than preceding stiff shots & and a harsh Kimura, they break down and lost it at about 3:06
Dynamite tried a couple of times to get him in a tilt-a-whirl piledriver but the guy kept stuffing and avoiding it. Dynamite tricked him and started off in a scoop slam to get him.
Dynamite was very stiff to start out, and seems like he got pissed, when Hoshino returned the favor. It was pretty obvious Hoshino had him helpless in the front face lock, and could have easily submitted /put Dynamite to sleep if he wanted to. But in the end he did the job.
Dynamite lost it on kantaro when he accidentally elbowed him across the face, dynamite tried to retaliate with a head but that missed, he put on a legit kimura which the ref broke up and the rest snowballed , it all started at the elbow by kantaro
100% true. If this had gone full shoot, Dynamite would have gotten his ass kicked.
He could have finished Dynamite anytime he wanted to.
勘太郎、最後は大人の対応(笑)
それなりに、やることやったから満足したんだろうな
今、こうゆう解説をして見られるなんて、当時は思いもよらなかったでしょうね。逆に今見るほうが面白いという。
How much better is this than Sports Entertainment !
セメントへの対応力がすごい
当時の新日本にはこれが根付いてたんだろうなぁ
まあ、日プロ時代からセメント練習はしてたみたいだしね。
貫太郎さんは、さもありなん。 馬之助にケンドーナガサキ。
馬場さんですらBI砲対マスカラス・アリオン戦でマスカラスにセメント気味で来られた時にも
冷静に対応してきつめの肘当てで抑制してたしね
The first tip-off that Dynamite wasn't going to work with Hoshino was how quickly Dynamite sent him into the ropes at 1:48. Then later on at 2:27, when Dynamite took him down from a standing inverted hammerlock, normally you're supposed to tuck the arm inward when taking the guy over. Instead, Dynamite kept the hammerlock outward during the takedown, something that was unnecessary. Then it went downhill from there.
Dynamite also kneed him in the crotch, seemingly on purpose. To me it seems like Dynamite started the fight by being unsafe multiple times.
@@Drock7749 several times! turned into a real crotchfest for a minute there haha. Vile deeds all around it would seem...
Yeah the hammerlock was ill intended. He cranked it way more than he had to. Then groin knees and eye gouging all over the place. The other wrestler put him in place though. Could tell he knew how to throw down.
流さんだぁ～！！！ 「週プロ」のマニアックな記事楽しく読ませていただいていました。技について書かれた2冊本も買いましたよ～。面白かったです。ご本尊を初めて拝見しましたが、イケメンですね ^^) 。
また、取り上げられた試合も面白いです。ビッグマッチの名勝負も面白いですが、こういう雑誌とかには大きく出ない、ナニゲないおかしな、面白い試合こそ、生観戦する醍醐味だと思っています。
今、ガチ入った！ とドキッとする瞬間、「微ギレ」とか「瞬間ガチ」と言っています。
Very interesting. That was a badass tombstone
That was forced as well lol It stunned the dude lol
Good God imagine being that poor ref who has to try to pull this back together.
I would not have wanted to get into a shoot with Tom Billington - not only because he *could* shoot, but because he'd be a mean SOB while doing it.
Yeah he's the size of a 5th Grader
Unless your name was Rougeau.
@@RobJNathanSings Big difference between a known fight turning into a shoot, and a sucker punch with a rolled up pile of coins (deserved or not). Rougeau would NEVER have got into a genuine shoot with him, and I strongly suspect you know that...
Meh, some of those Japanese guys can be stiff. Tom doesn’t want to screw with him
Yeah .. those types are where today.. dead . karma with a side of arrogance.
🍺Dynamite Kid 自伝！
伝説の1戦🍺
昔の新日は目が離せない🍺🔥
Fun fact: The referee on this match was Katsuyori Shibata's father.
And he looks just like him too
No way. No weeeyyyy, no waaayyy
DAMN! Even MY family jewels hurt after those not shots. Damn DK. Watch where you're aiming.
That looked like a stiff piledriver at the end
Very stiff. It's lucky the other dude was able to tuck his neck quite well... What a POS dropping him hard like that...
@@waterhot80 that was a standard DK tombstone actually...
星野さんにしてみればキッドが本当にケンカが出来る男なのかを見極めたかったんだと思う。喧嘩好きの星野さんとしては認めたからこそラストは筋書き通りに締めたんだと感じますね。貴重な試合でしたね。お二人とも今は居ない😥
天国で懐かしい再会をしてください🙏
You can hear the announcer say "It's a cup day." after DK hits him below the belt. LOL
IMO, combination of stiff/testing/shoot/cooperation. They were definitely pissed at one another at some points during the match but Hoshino would have never worked with tombstone/flying head butt finish if it was a shoot till the end.
Obviously in the end Hoshino did what he was supposed to, but even the tombstone had a shoot element to it. More like a Michinoku Tombstone and he really spiked him. Hoshino did the classic pissed off kick out on 3.1, too.
He's professional and continue the match! You can't just stop! That's a big no no, specially back then! Kid started shooting from the start tbh, don't know why tho
First of all, in Japan, it was go stiff or go home. It appears that Kid potatoed a stiff elbow, Hoshino gave it back, but then when Kid sends him off Hoshino refused to go up. The Tombstone was NOT legit, clearly the head is above the knee and his thighs were pinched. He kicked out at 3.1 because he is the baby face and lost clean
dude he straight up kneed him in the nuts.
Look like 5yr olds fighting over a toy
海外の方がアップロードしてくれたのかな？
備考欄の詳しい紹介（キッドの本から？）に、翌日は星野＆タイガー（佐山）とのタッグチーム
で、佐山から「トミー！今夜は問題ないから、よろしく！」なんて言われたのが面白いです！
Thank you for uploading the valuable video!
Thomas Billington had any number of personal issues -- that only became magnified when he began living his pro wrestling gimmick of Dynamite Kid. Highway to Hell, indeed.
Blinding by his fame and ability i bet he didn't see it coming at 28 that his back and body would never recover
Drugs certainly helped his deterioration .
Too bad he did not get to have a full career .
He was a real pile of garbage as a person. Good riddance to bad rubbish. I remember Smash saying that he would try both him and Ax, and both of those guys were tough as ALL hell, especially Smash, so they'd stuff him down as soon as he tried, and he'd be all pissed off back stage, but would do nothing because bullies won't actually fight anyone that can take them down. Nikolai Volkoff also didn't put up with his shit when him and Zukhov would take on the Bulldogs.
この試合な話はキッドの自伝で読みましたがフェイスロックの事かと思っていました。初めて観れました。有り難うございます。
これがプロレスの本来の面白さの一つ。ケガをしたりさせたりするわけにもいかないし毎試合はやってられないけど、ここぞという時には相手になめられないように対応する。こういう試合を一回やればある意味信頼関係が生まれて次からの試合は普通にスイングするようになっていくんだろう。
What
この会場の客はたまったもんじゃないだろw何かプロだw
@@dropkick743
ヘタレは黙っとけ
思い出補正強すぎ
なんも面白くねーんですけど
This shot in film is awesome and gives it a beautiful look
当時は仕掛けてきたらやり返すのがレスラーのプライド。いやー流さん貴重なVTR(2階から撮影？)あざす
If you watch, at 2:20 DK gets hit with 2 shots, the 2nd elbow hits him too hard and he immediately tries to headbut the guy back. Then he rips hard on an arm lock. From that point on neither guy cooperates with any moves till finish of the match. I think it was that elbow that pissed off DK and had him shooting.
That kimura roll is a straight shoot. Its a judo move. And DK really executed it very well
@@chrisgarcia8592 When did he apply the Kimura? I'll have to watch again, I don't recall that happening.
@@chrisgarcia8592 He's got the Kimura on backwards. It's almost impossible to submit someone when you bend the point of the elbow over the top. You need to bend your opponent's elbow underneath. I've screwed that up in Judo enough times to know when someone's doing it wrong.
@zach right on the moneyxbuddy
@@WTTA This is just typical Japanese wrestling and hardly a shoot. As far as Dynamite's Kimura is concerned, he put it on BACKWARDS. I've had some embarrassing moments during Judo matches where I've done the same thing, and my opponent has looked at me like: "What the hell do you think your doing?"
In his biography, Dynamite Kid talks about this match and that he broke his finger in one of Hoshino's facelocks, after which Kantaro was
ready for the finish. This is what it says in the description of the video )))
man this is good stuff whether it went as planned or not. no spot fests, no 40 super kicks, no prancing around acting stupid. just 2 dudes focused on kicking each others ass. what the business should look like.
Tell me your a boomer without telling me your a boomer
@@thewizardofodds6839 * you're
Go watch ufc kid
I’m not a boomer but I prefer this style of wrestling too… no gymnastics and dancing just using strength to establish who the dominant guy is and then go into the finish to further the story and increase future payouts… this happened more than just a few times too… this to me is professional wrestling
@@leeherring8880 tell me you’re a boomer with out telling me you’re a boomer
This brought back great memories as I often watched Dynamite at Stampede Wrestling in Calgary.
I was born in western Canada and got to watch Stampede in it's heyday as well. That was one hell of a promotion.....It was WILD!!!!
@@deelux5519 My dad's best friend (and the best man at my parent's wedding) was a Stampede Wrestling agent in the 50's and 60's. He ran the Saskatoon shows for Stu. I grew up hearing incredible backstage stories. I started going to matches in the 70's and I knew from day one that it was fake but guys like Dyno were still thrilling entertainment. Sorta an Evel Knievel of wrestling.
@@misterslats There's no question that Dynamite was a legendary, pioneering pro-wrestler....In fact, as the urban legend goes, he's one of only three people to ever make Vince McMahon mark out. Dr. Jerry Graham being one...Then Dynamite and Tiger Mask being two and three......I read in Bret's book that those Saskatoon shows used to be brutal, any memories to share?
@@deelux5519 My dad and Ned Powers were sports writers at the Saskatoon Star Phoenix and Ned moonlighted doing all the advance work to set up the weekly show at the old arena. He got paid $25 a week which was nice pocket money 65 years ago. The business in Saskatoon at that time was really healthy. I never got to see any of those depressing shows in the 80's with 500 people in a 7000 seat arena cuz we'd moved to Calgary by then. I got to see killer raucous shows with 2500 people shoe-horned into an oversold Pavilion. Big part of my youth. Do you live in Calgary?
@@misterslats No, I don't. But I have great respect for the Stampede territory, which almost seems like it was a proving ground for pro-wrestlers. (If you could survive Stampede, you were battle tested, and you were accepted into the locker-room.) Someone has got to make a movie about that territory someday......And now that you mention it, I have considered moving to Calgary. I got out of California just in time, and am thinking Alberta is the best run Province in Canada....And I was so proud of Calgary (Even though I really have no conations with the place.) When they told the Olympics to get stuffed.....Talk a bout a WORK! No Wrestling promotion ever pulled off a work like the I.O.C (Robbing public coffers, the Olympics are basically a travelling "carney" scam. No Olympic host has not been bankrupted by them.) I LOVED it when Calgary told them to get lost!
おもしれー。懐かしいし、解説されるとそうだったのかって試合！良い動画でした。
さそせ
DK sounds like he was a nightmare of a human being, incredible wrestler no doubt but clearly a childish and angry person. a shame as he legacy would be very special if it wasn't tainted by his Napoleon complex.
He was. Watch his Dark Side of the Ring episode
His Napoleon complex is what got him kicked out of WWF for being a bully
@@SteelDragon1986-i8k he actually left because the Mountie smashed his teeth out, after enduring loads of bullying from him. He wanted Vince to fire him, but Vince refused. Dynamite was a fantastic wrestler, but took too many steroids and pain killers, which combined with his strong style of wrestling, destroyed his body (and possibly mind).
Yeah they say he tried that bully crap in Japan got his ass handed to him
Mix in the steroids he was on when he was in WWF and he became a proper horror story.
Hoshino seemed like a good guy for not putting DK to sleep and not embarrassing the company. He knew the score and still didn't f$%^ DK up for being a prick. DK romanticized the situation in his book but we can see here for ourselves. Tom Billington was an absolute legend but the man had his problems. I think he found out here not everyone bought into the myth, however.
やはりキッドはマッチョ化する手前が１番カッコ良い！スピード×パワー、ラフ＆テクニックのファイトはワタシにとって理想的なレスラー像！
親日時代、カミソリファイターの頃は観客とのコミュニケーションもプロフェッショナルを感じました。
You can see the trust deteriorate. It's a shame because it was really smooth at the start but DK was obviously taking liberties at which point it became scrappy no sense and nut shots.
星野の極めに行くフロントチョークはちょっと見ものだったね。ペケーニョあたりが日本でフロントチョークで極めまくるのを見るまで、日本ではあまり仕留めるための武器と捉えられてないのかと思ってたけど、この時代にシュートテクニックの一つとして磨いてる人がいたんだね。興味深い
Thank you.
S57年と言えば、タイガーマスクやホーガンのパフォーマンスプロレスに慣れて行った時代。
根は格闘家の二人が織りなした試合。セメントに近ければ膠着状態が続く。7:10位から星野さんの大人の判断。
それにしても、ボクシングもされ、セメントをしたら間違いなく強かった星野勘太郎さんの凄まじい体。👍 30年生まれてくるのが遅かったら、総合格闘技で成功されたでしょう。
タイガーの最大のライバルであるキッドに持たせた星野さんはプロフェッショナル！
What does it mean 'cemented'?
@@oldskoolmark5414 Cement means Shoot Style of Fights
It ’s a Sumo term Words in the First Place
Gachigachi(Onomatopoeia)→Gatchinko→Gachi→Hard→Cement
@@theflowersofromance3887 Thank you for the explanation.
Man I must be losing my hearing cause this is the hardest English I have ever tryed to listen to
Seen his first fight as the dynamite kid as he came from Wigan he was a skinny little kid who could wrestle pity WWF ruined him making him much bigger and we know the rest good to see him before wwf great pictures thank you
Dynamite's account of things definitely doesn't match what i just saw. The only thing he did was bite the guy's hand. Hoshino showed a lot of trust by taking that tombstone after they had already started shooting.
Yeah, things are always exaggerated when we can see the video. Funny when you think about how that applies to all the stuff we don't have video of.
The Japanese commentator explains what Kid said in his biography and what's going on... Hoshino started shooting with the front guillotine choke/neck lock... and to this Kid used a technique he learned at Wigan's to loosen the hold...
@@johnkrummel2956 exactly, you even see it in the video. Hoshino gets the facelock on in the corner and Dynamite rips it off pretty fast. Dynamite held back cause he kneed Hoshino in the nuts and there were a few times he went for the eyes but didn't rip at them.
Trust, my foot. Hoshino's head hit the mat on that move.
@@synthonaplinth5980 Yeah, but if really want to, you can pretty much cripple or even kill someone with a piledriver. Clearly Dynamite didn't try that. I definitely know, in that spot, if there were any trust issues with my opponent that I would never allow myself to be put in that situation taking that move.
Looked to me like everybody but Dynamite was trying to work. While Dynamite seemed to be taking lots of Liberties. Their was a time or 2 I think the Japanese guy would have had him if the ref hadn't on got in the way.
4:15 Eye rakes could have been real. Looks like when a dirty MMA fighter tries to poke his opponent in the eyes.
4:25 Uppercut. Doesn't look like a flashy worked one and you see Dynamite's lets give for a split second.
4:30 Both dudes try to pull hair and poke eyes like a couple of little b*tches.
4:38 Dynamite is looking down at his knees. He might have expected one and wanted to take him down off cathing it.
5:03 That guillotine could be a shoot. He's cranking it, but who knows - it's japan where madmen live.
5:15 Look here as Dynamit sort of taps Katano's arm. I think this is the best argument AGAINST it being a shoot. This is how you signal "Hey, loosen up a little!" and seconds later the grip is let go without being broken.
Then after this it turned into a clusterf-ck. I would not be surprised if Dynamite had used the dudes professionalism to get out of the hold and then started shooting on him.
Agree, and it looks to me more like they are having trouble communicating in the ring than Hoshino deliberately trying to sandbag him. Dynamite isn't a reliable narrator in his stories.
He really cranked that Chicken Wing/Kimura lock. Could have injured his arm seriously.
@@GLPitt1 The guillotine was getting a nice iggy in as well. Dynamite's neck probably needed a chiropractor after that.
@@EmoEmu was thinking the same it was pretty deep he could have slept him
寝技など完全に決めっこを仕掛けてますし。パンチ。キックも下腹部にと！。ガチンコマッチですね。これ以上やると本当に喧嘩になるから。試合は勝たしてやるけどナメるなよ若造！と星野勘太郎が負たった〜をやりましたね😖
Wow! Hair pulling, eye gouging, biting, kicks to the hook-up, and the bowling ball grip. I’d say that’s a shoot.
Hook-up means bollocks. Right?
It means everything down there.
今の跳んだりはねたりの試合より見応えあるね。
知ってるねぇ〜。笑
I 100% agree
Dynamite Kid was well known to be a very mean dude! He hated everyone!
キッドといえば破天荒な爆弾ファイトが印象的ですが、こういうカタいレスリングもちゃんとできるんですよね。さすがは蛇の穴の流れを組むレスラーです。しかし最後のダイビングヘッドバット、星野さんの頭にブチかましてますね。危ないなぁ
This turned nasty but Dynamite stayed cool enough to finish the match. Thanks for uploading this.
Dynamite was fighting dirty - pulling hair and kicking the groin. He looked like the bad guy here.
@@attentionaddicts Hair pulling, ball kicking, hand biting... nothing cool about him.
Cool? He dropped the guy straight on his head lol
What year was this match?
That knee to the groin was chicken shit.
It's funny watching shoots when both men are still trying to maintain kayfabe lol
これは貴重ですね！ありがとうございました‼️
Tommy Billington was at war with the world. He was supremely talented, perhaps the best wrestler who ever lived. He was also a miserable asshole who had no regard for himself or others. He died on his 60th birthday in a NHS nursing home in England. Alone.
Yep, and ironically here, he faced ANOTHER bully with "Napoleon complex".
Except for that food vendor fatality , I saw no shooting in the ring.
Wow that got serious. Dynamite was getting out wrestled a number of times. The guy who got pile drived, was better then I expected
兵庫は星野さんの地元で、この興行（売り興行）のプロモーターだったんじゃないかな？ だから冷静になって試合を成立させた。
あと、恵まれていない身体で反日感情が凄い時に長期間アメリカをサーキットしてきたんだから、セメントを仕掛けられても自信があるんでしょうね。
at first it didn't seem to bad then I was like oh ok this is where the shoot came in. Some guys don't like putting other guys over so they make them work for it. Dynamite had a bad attitude also so who knows what actually happened.
Reminds me of Regal getting cranky against Goldberg only this Japanese guy was experienced enough not to be about it. I’m definitely not trusting Dynamite to do that tombstone finish after all that if I’m him though.
This wasn't a shoot,it was just a lack of cooperation. Watch jim cornette explain what a shoot is.
@@sadetwizelve screw Cornette……..this is very shootish
@@danevertt3210 if you have to call it "shootish" it's not a shoot
@@sadetwizelve nah it’s shooty
Dynamite kid bitting him like a bitch! And trying to pull his junk out when he gets caught in the headlock 😆
Yeah....looks like it starts out with Dynamite working very stiff, but he's still working his shots. It just kind of starts falling apart right around the middle. It's not the most obvious shoot I've ever seen, but it's pretty clear that the guys aren't really cooperating with each other at that point.
I'm actually surprised, after that, the guy would let Dynamite piledrive him.
@greenbay Well.....wrestling has this concept called 'a receipt' where if you potato your opponent, then they get a 'free shot' at you in return somewhere down the line.
But actually going out of your way to hurt your opponent for no other reason than because you don't like him is frowned upon and would get you blackballed - especially today. Although there certainly are examples of it happening in the past and the wrestlers in question getting away with it.
In wrestling, you're putting your body in the care of the other wrestler. And if they take liberties with that, it's the worst thing a wrestler can do in the ring.
yeah especially the piledriver he could have got him a severe injury reciept
yeah lot of interviews people say he was a real piece of shit.
@greenbay No you didn't cause otherwise you would have articulated yourself better
@greenbay don’t microwave fish...that doesn’t have to be a rule, it should just be common sense.
なんでこんなに低評価多いの？TV放送はまずされない貴重な動画やん
アマレスボディーのキッドが懐かしい！
それにしても､若いキッドの細かいエグさが半端無い｡
フォールに行く度､横っ面へ膝掠らせるし
ニードロップも､シレっとマジのヤツ入れてるしさwww どっちがベテランか分からん位に､イヤらしくて黒いプロレス展開してる｡
この数年後､キッドはタイガーと二分する様な人気者レスラーになるんだけど､コレ見た当時の人達は､そんなこと思いもしなかったんだろうな｡
Am I the only one thinking this looks like the Japanese Bill Dundee?
藤波辰巳のWWFジュニアヘビー級挑戦者決定戦でスキップヤング選手を葬った真下に落とすダイビングベッドバッドも凄かったです。
私はキッドＤＶＤ持っていてプロレス仲間のオフ会に持ってくとヤング戦がリクエストされます。流血しながらフラフラと立ち上がるキッドに驚いてました。
4:28 it starts turning shoot. There’s a legit head butt followed by some upper cuts. Before that it’s fairly wos style
I barely saw the match, cos I've just discovered youtube has an auto-translate function, and it's pure fkn gold 🤣
''cos''...?
@@rowds Yes, "cos". 'Cause. Because.
Cosmic. Costume. Cossack. Cozumel.
猪木はおそらく控室でモニターを観て、やれやれ自分が収めに行かなくてはいけないのかといった気持ちだったのでしょう。星野はそれが分かっていたから、社長の手を煩わせてはいけないと、最後は折れてキッドに勝ちを譲りました。
親日は藤波、長州など一般人と変わらないほど小さい
その中でも、特に星野は小人プロレスかと思うほど小さい
@@mmzero7732 確かに。藤波が売り出し中の頃観に行った人に聞いたら180は絶対ないって言ってました。
@@mmzero7732 差別はいけない
@@mmzero7732 ←このヒトは星野が小さいと言ってるだけ。それに小人プロレスのことを別に蔑んではいない。
差別と指摘する側に、小さいヒトと小人プロレスに対して差別感情があるんじゃない？
星野勘太郎はなべおさみに似ている。
三沢ゲス禿はカラテカのバックドーップで０センチになったんだっけ？チビ太とか禿丸馬鹿道もサバよんでたんだっけ？@@mmzero7732
星野さんもキッドを潰そうと思えば潰せるんだけど、立場上そういうわけにはいかない。最後は大人の対応で、さすがです。
両者とも熱くなりつつもプロレスの範疇を外れない攻防
客の前でやってるってことを忘れない
プロだなあ
Wow dynamite starts off really stiff. Then tried to break the guys arm . The bites him , thumbs his eyes ...Then the guy had enough and out him in a guillotine to only have Tom grab his groin . Surprised they put up with him like they did . Karma got him in the end
Dynamite had NOTHING on this guy! As someone who does legit submission grappling, I'm telling you, Dynamite got TESTED and was found wanting. That guy could have finished him anytime he wanted to.
7:25 i understood that bit. Divinga Headbutto
Lol all the comments blame Dynamite for this mess of a match but probably far from the case. The Japanese guys were like that back then, Bret and others wrote about guys who would stiff them and shoot on them all the time but Dynamite wasn't having it by that point. So the match turned into a lot of them holding on to each other and shit talking. That's not "strong style" or whatever the kids say today, that's purposely trying to hurt somebody for the fun of it. Hoshino was always a bit of a prick anyway and was never a good wrestler. Dynamite was popular and that upset a bunch of Japanese guys who were mad the foreigner got pictures in magazines because racists.
Most people have been conditioned to hate on Dynamite by that weird Canadian dude Hannibal who also has to pay people to wrestle him to have a career lol. Or maybe Bret when he threw a hissy fit because Dynamite told a few home truths about Stu demanding money from Japanese promotions so Dynamite can do tours and also demanding they also take Bret and pay him the same. The main reason Bret had a career is because of his dad, he started him in Stampede where he was taught by Dynamite, he demanded Japanese promotions take Bret and when he sold the territory to Vince he also demanded Bret getting a contract was part of the deal even though Vince wasn't interested at the time. Also kinda lucked out with the steroid scandal because Vince needed to push smaller guys and he had few choices as his roster was filled with roid ragers at the top of the card lol.
Dynamite had his issues but he was an innovator in the style of wrestling that's popular today and he was the guy who helped Bret and Davey get where they got even if they forgot him once they became big. I guess Bret has never stopped saying Dynamite was the best wrestler he's ever seen even when he threw a tantrum over the truth. Dynamite screwed up his own life but it was the injuries from entertaining people with his style and getting others over by taking big risks that ultimately led to drink and drug problems. He already had one big back injury that ultimately led to the problems down the line because he couldn't afford to get surgery and be out for months. He took a suplex out of the ring for Davey and hit the apron but still wrestled 2 more matches the same night in a tournament, he couldn't even stand up backstage and laid on the floor with ice lol, it's fucked up what people expect from wrestlers. Then he went to WWF still with back problems so was only a matter of time before he broke down. Then he left the hospital early after surgery to drop the tag belts because Bret went to the hospital and probably talked him into dropping the belts to the hart foundation. He claims Dynamite demanded Vince do that but I doubt it with Bret being such a whiner in his career. Had to be carried to the ring and couldn't work the match, couldn't afford to stay out long so came back, got in a backstage fight that led to his teeth being knocked out and weird French-Canadians threatening his family by saying if he retaliates the mafia will shoot his wife and kids. This is also why Vince tried to end the situation by paying for his dental work if they shake on ending it and didn't fire them.
So yeah guy has a fucked back, teeth knocked out, family under threat and still needs to feed his family so goes back to Japan and new Stampede to work, goes deeper into drink and drugs because of the pain, his wife divorces him and takes the house and car he paid for along with all his money and he moved back to England still trying to make ends meet. Davey's wife who is Bret's sister copyrights the name "British Bulldog" so Dynamite can't use it and make money from the name he helped make and get Davey over with, Davey wouldn't even have a job in WWF if not for Dynamite. Then he suffers complications from his surgery years earlier as he came back too soon and wrestled so he had seizures then lost the use of one of his legs confining him to a wheelchair and ending his career for good.
Honestly I think anyone would be a miserable and horrible person if their life turned out that that.
That guy in the speedo is 90% torso and 10% legs
Before seeing the video play, it kinda looked like "Superstar" Bill Dundee with the build... lol.
That's why NJPW is definitely exciting.
That was a slow, boring match.. what was exciting about all those head locks?
@@freedomseedplanter5987 You should learn about shoot technics. It's pro wrestling, so basically all staged. But these two wrestlers try to see how the opponent uses shoot technics. So both Of them won't sell. Especially, from 4:30 〜, wigan's wrestling crofit choke. Kid tries not Hoshino rolling with turning Hoshino's wrists down. The referee noticed that they'll drive into shoot match, not pro-wrestling. See how the refree gets so serious and interfair after that.
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You'll never see these real fight technics in American wrestling which only shows fake head lock. Yeah, you can see the real and the fake in one match. When you realize it, you'll enjoy their technics. That's so exciting. NJPW is so deep and profound. Kid must enjoy the tour in Japan because there are many real wrestlers in Japan and he could use his technics. It's impossible with most of the American wrestlers.
今観たらとても興味深いマッチだけれども、当時ならポカーンですね。
Things are more interesting when they're in context...
What is pokhan??
Why did I ask that question?????
I’m thinking that the original comment had translation and that word was in it????
Anybody??
いい試合の良い解説
Jesus, I just keep ripping ass. The hell did I eat!?
たまにこんなセメントが観れる時代が良かったなあ
今でもたまーにですがありますよ
Very rare these days
Cement??
@@israelwolstein9351 True. But you can find some pieces here and there during the fights.
@@danevertt3210 Cement= a serious exchange they weren't supposed to do
Kantaro Hoshino is a sexy gentleman.
I love him.
Dynamite's snapmare and headlock were a little stiff at 2:00.
I think it pissed the Japanese guy off and he hit him with 2 really stiff forearms at 2:22.
It was all downhill from there.
From my perspective, Dynamite had him several times, but he let him up. It was more about letting him know he needed to chill. Guy just kept coming.
Dynamite didn't have ANYTHING! As soon as the match got "Non-cooperative" Dynamite didn't know what the hell he was doing. He put a Kimora on BACKWARDS. I think his opponent was making the point that he could have kicked dynamite's ass at any point. Then they did the "fake" finish, which was the ONLY thing Dynamite could deal with. During the "sketchy" parts of the match Dynamite looked HELPLESS!
@@deelux5519 Both men were expert shooters, but Hoshino had righteous fury on his side... I think he could have crippled/even killed DK had he wanted to.
@@mmatwoohsics Dynamite was no expert shooter.....Sorry, but he just wasn't as this video CLEARLY exposed. I don't know if you've done much grappling, maybe you have? But based on my experience Dynamite looks completely outclassed here. Horshino could have ended him anytime he wanted to...and anything Dynamite tried failed miserably....So badly that he was resorting to kicks in the nuts...Dynamite had a great sucker punch, all the people that knew him say that. But when people stood up to him? Dynamite really had nothing.
@@deelux5519 Im well versed in CACC application and history. DK was an extremely dangerous individual, especially back then when a simple guillotine was a confounding maneuver to the rest of the combat sports world. I make no claim as to him being the best in the world, or even in whatever promotion he may have been in at any given moment... but with his roided physical ability, mile-wide mean streak and classic CACC training, he was nobody to play with. Hoshino was simply that much better.
@@mmatwoohsics I assume you mean "Catch as catch can" Or "catch wrestling" as they call it in my part of the world. Or "Gi-less Judo" as I call it. I got to train a little catch when one of my Judo coaches invited me to a private weekly catch session he held in a public park....aaaand then Covid happened....so, so much for that....I really enjoyed it though, totally different when you can get a clothing grip. But....Sorry...I just don't see what you see. I see a guy shoot a weak double that is easily stuffed, I see a guy screw up when trying to put on a Kimura and I see a guy get hooked in a guillotine who could have been put to sleep easily if his opponent didn't want to just let him know that "If this was for real, I'd have you unconscious right now"....And I saw a guy so incoptitent when it came to "shoot" grappling that he was resorting to kicks in the balls......Maybe our Dojos are very different places, because I'm no bad-ass, but from what Dynamite shows here? I could eat him for breakfast.....And that's not saying I'm that good, it's saying Dynamite looks THAT BAD!
試合よりも流さんをはじめて見れたことの方が自分としてはサプライズ
もう何十年もこの人の本や記事を見ているが本人を見たことが一度もなかった。
同じく。流氏、門馬氏、菊地氏、竹内氏は評論側のレジェンドです。残念ながら故人もいますが。
ターザンと金澤は、まだここには入れない。記者としてはレジェンドだけど評論という点では私見と実害が多すぎ。
@@鬼束多胡一
門茂男氏やI編集長@ファイトは?
@@maruhiroya417 マニアですね。よくご存知で。ターザンに代表される活字プロレスだけどこの方々の本があったからネットのない時代にリング上だけでなくプロレスを考えたし楽しめた。
@@鬼束多胡一
自分が上げたお二方は後者ですかね?門氏はコミッション側の人でしたからかなり毒がありますし。
Any of you guys speak English???? I read what you all said through translation and sometimes it doesn’t make sense. I figure it’s a cultural thing.
Any of you agree???
Domo? Domo?
That doofus even smaller than Tom. A god damned referee towering over him. One thing is going for him is that he's the best for receiving dropkicks, because you don't have to jump that high.
That key lock he does around the 2:00 mark could break that dude’s arm. It’s illegal in amateur wrestling for that reason and he looks like he was trying to legit break his arm
NO! He puts the Kimura on BACKWARDS! I've made that mistake myself in Judo matches. Trust me, Dynamite had NO IDEA what to do here.
@@deelux5519 Backwards because he aint know what to do, or inverted to try and hurt Hoshino and then be able to play it off? But I agree with you... had Hoshino went all out, I feel he would have pulverized DK.
@@mmatwoohsics I really don't know what his intentions were. A regular "Pro wrestling" arm-bar rest hold can resemble a screwed up kimura....But If I remember correctly they called a Kimura a "Gromit" at the Snake pit, and I think Dynamite told Davey Boy's son, he had put him in one. Which tells me he tried and screwed it up, but I'll have to check that and see if my memory is correct, I really don't know...but yeah, you can tell when Hoshino starts testing Dynamite, that Dynamite is more than a little nervous. Horshino seems to be in complete control of the situation till he lets Dynamite have the finish.....I'm just surprised he let Dynamite Tombstone him, that move can legitimately screw you up. (As is well known) I would NEVER have trusted Dynamite to let him do that.
@@deelux5519 I wouldnt either! But the Japanese Puro mentality is "I made my point, now the show must go on."
@@mmatwoohsics Yep, agreed!....And actually, I think you summed up this match perfectly!
Just think the two couldn't communicate and as a result it was a popcorn fart.
DK a legendary innovator
And a angry rotten man
DK will be in the HoF one day in 2050
この時代こういう「どうしちゃったの」ていうような試合たまにあったように記憶してますね
なるほどシュートが発生してたとは😮
Where is the shooting?
Only title!
I clicked expecting something on par with Inoki vs The Great Antonio. Instead I found myself squinting to see where it turned into a shoot.
It's pretty clear they're not giving each other anything through most of it and some shots were legit stiff
Ok Dynamite wasnt fully roided out granted, But Kantro handles him with ease despite cheap shots throughout.
5:04 Hoshino with a guillotine choke. Looks like he could have choked DK out there (and nearly did before backing off).
He didn’t back off dynamite put his fingers in between kantaros and twisted his thumb outward breaking the hold.
5:15 キッドは星野さんの手首を返そうとしてるんじゃなくて、パンツをずり下ろそうとしてるのでは？
DK was being super stiff. He was working like he had a chip on his shoulder. At first the other guy was selling it, but you can see the gradual progression from him selling, to getting angry. Sure I don't know their backstory together, what may or may have not happened earlier that night, but at face value, knowing nothing about the wrestlers, Dk was being a punk, working stiff and was the instigator.
At the beginning the Japanese dude threw a punch and dynamite kid wouldn't even sell it it
On top of that he was stiffer than an old man after sitting in recliner for 8 hours
This has all the ingredients to turn ugly
You don’t know anything about Japanese wrestling in Japan in all wrestling promotions fake hits are banned they should punch for real
5:16 nice of DK to give him a hand job.
"I reached across for his left elbow and wrenched hard." Clearly never happened
Around 6:38. He grabs for his fingers, though, not his elbow. I guess that's what he meant by "Nearly took one of his fingers off."
Looks more like Dynamite applied a Greco Roman front face bite from where I’m sitting
Yep, total liar. Dynamite was a bully. If you stood up to him, he crumbled.
Dynamite Kid's knee drop is so good. Too bad guys now a days can't even do an elbow drop correctly. 1:13
Spoken like someone who's never seen Jay Lethal or Max Castor's flying elbows...
@@Monkfisher sounds like a mark who thinks knows wrestling.
両者とも剣豪のような雰囲気。
This is awesome
Reading these comments and the Japanese are loving this match.
Yet the english speakers are going in on DK