I mean, Team Fortress 2 has a 14 year old fanbase. Surprised there isn't more TF2/New Vegas stuff considering there already was a crossover back in 2010.
@@The-jy3yq well they were all annoyed at him, since listening to a Caesars legion guy is more annoying and stupid than funny and interesting. At least for me personally
Honestly I see him more as being apart of The Kings or Powder Gang. Kings being with his egotistic ‘bad boy’ personality and Powder Gang being ‘cause he’s most likely gonna get his ass arrested from the NCR due to his idiocy or something along the lines of that.
The only thing that could have made this better was the Scout interjecting that the Brotherhood was the best major faction, and all the other mercs getting pissed at him when they realize he's talking about Fallout 3.
@@Flamme-Sanabi Fallout 4 BoS was unironically the best version of the Brotherhood we got tbh. They're not shitty cookie cutter good guys like in Fallout 3 nor are they pathetic mole-men cowering in a tiny ass bunker. FO4 BoS was pretty decent.
I don't really even think endings where you can just fill in the blank should be an option for these debates. The courier isn't a definate character, they could be any kind of leader based on any kind of playthrough.
My god, the constant talking over each other, the obscure insults, the self righteousness about a fictional world. You sir have perfectly encapsulated what an internet argument would sound like in real life, and you used AI generated TF2 voices no less. Truly brilliant.
Every merc's stance actually makes perfect sense relative to their character. Medic: "ends justify the means", approves of morally-questionable methods (such as slavery and razing towns) if the dictator in question is effective & makes demonstrable progress. I don't need to tell you why a Teutonic man who lived through the 1930's - 1940's could potentially believe this is the best way to move forward, never mind his other habits (use of living people as test subjects, etc.) The medic is absolutely the most" in his element" when taking drastic measures to turn the tides of battle, as demonstrated in his Meet the Team video and in-game, which is similar to how Caesar rose to power. Heavy: believes in disposing of all major powers acting in the Mojave, returning power to the smaller tribes, and then eventually using the remnants of said powers (Yes-Man taking control of House's robotic army) to bring everyone to the bargaining table. It makes sense for a man who lived through the respective reign of a Tzar, the Bolsheviks and the Soviets to resent overbearing power (as all of those caused some degree of widespread suffering) and instead put his faith in smaller groups of ordinary, localized people. Sniper: bases his entire career on his own skillset ("you don't need friends if you never miss"), causing him to either miss or ignore the benefits of cooperating with the Mojave's residents. Sniper is a solitary guy in general, it makes sense he would believe in using surgical precision to decide what's going to happen, regardless of what anybody else wants. Being so divorced from a raging battle also gives him more time to thoroughly scrutinize everyone involved. Engineer: similarities between the pair using robots to defend themselves aside, it makes sense the Engineer would care less about moral quandaries (taxes, slavery, etc.) and be more interested in the wasteland's practical problems. Both he and Mr. House want to envision a bigger picture, derive a solution from that and use what's at their disposal right now to slowly accomplish it; ideally, via advanced technology (and making peoples' lives easier through it.) Demoman: it's very subtle, but Tavish puts a lot of faith in tradition; he mentions churches, God, hell, etc. in-game, and he sticks to his family trade, supports his mother, etc. outside of the game. The NCR is among the oldest and most stable of the wasteland's societies, so it makes sense that the man would side with whatever faction has the most firmly-rooted and longest-lasting values (as even outside the context of the NCR, they greatly resemble pre-war America.) Soldier: is a jingoist, supports jingoism. Soldier is also the sort of guy to stop paying any attention once he finds the most "American" faction, wherein he'll immediately believe that faction is justified in everything they are doing and the best possible option in every scenario. All he's really missing is a set of X-01 power armor.
@@redline841 yeah I like the enclave for that reason as well. It’s preety funny for people to make a 10 page essay about why the enclave is bad And then I just respond “it’s a game dude”
Gonna be real, the arguments for the are always pretty laughable to me, and just signal that the person making it wants to be a fascist. Every other faction makes so much more sense and has way more facets to consider in whether it would succeed or fail: House’s narcissism, the NCR’s many conflicting interest groups, and the interplay between many of the factions of the Mojave that you have to convince to help you in the wild card ending. Caesar is basically LARPing as an emperor when the only thing that separates him from the tribes he conquered was how meticulous he was in erasing their culture, and a basic understanding of logistics.
@@Thobeian The NCR is the least sensible and most dead--end faction of them all, the only reason they have any popularity is because people relate them to modern day political ideologies, which have failed the NCR so far that even that dumbass Caesar can recognize that they're just another dictatorship in practice. House, the Legion, and Yes Man are the only real competing parties in the mojave, with viable futures ahead of them.
Scout: NCR: Neutral Karma (would pickpocket/kill for sunset sarsaparilla star caps) Soldier: NCR (if not for Enclave): Evil Karma Pyro: Independent: Evil Karma Demo: NCR: Good Karma (Powder ganger/Boomer Sympathizer) Heavy: Independent: Good Karma Engineer: Mr. House: Good Karma Sniper: Wipe the Slate Clean (independent): Evil Karma (With father elijah) Medic: Caesar Legion: Good Karma (if only the old world blues ending where the scientists of the Big MT take over the mojave existed in the current game) Spy: Mr. House: Netural (or even evil) Karma
well not really heavys father was killed by the red army and he was put in a gulag by them but he escaped and thats as much as we know about heavy and the ussr. he never really states his opinion on them i mean it would probably be bad but we dont really know
@@staples9897 One tends not to be fond of the people Who kill one's father, imprison and torture one's family and then pursue said family for years, forcing them to take refuge in the cold middle of nowhere
@@koshavinka2995 like i said it would probably be bad but we cant really just assume something and call it true. We can theorise but we cant be definite
>at least NCR is a well-functioning democracy >everybody laughs Fools, the corruption and inefficient bureaucracy is a sign of a working democracy. Working as intended.
This is actually so amazing. The characterization of each merc, legitimate arguments presented that belong in an actual discussion about FNV, and the humor. 10/10.
@@virtualtools_3021 Yeah but you will have to do the Yes Man ending. (And you will also and end up being hated by both NCR and Caesar's Legion) What i meant in my comment was that you could have just avoid siding with any of the main factions and deliver the platinum chip to Mr House.
They did my man Demoman dirty. He would know the NCR *isn't* a perfect democracy, but rather a better alternative to anarchy and dictatorship or even maintaining the status quo.
He did say "functioning democracy", not "perfect" - sure, maybe he's playing up the actual competence of the NCRs political system, but he does admit it's far from perfect. He's right, of course - democracy is worth the cost in corruption and general bumbling ineptitude.
@@HellbirdIV I still think independent is better because 1.the legion can go burn 2.ncr needs to worry about itself not expansion 3.if you unite the tribes that's a force to be scared of plus more stability,also the courier would have to be the leader with no one to lead the tribes they would just splinter back into chaos
@@badasscrusader I think the main reason people still to this day talk about which faction is the "best" one is that none of them are actually "good". Regardless of which ending you go for, every option has some positives and a lot of negatives. It's about picking which one you personally think is the most ... "okay".
@@HellbirdIV The way Cass puts it always stood out the most to me regarding the NCR: Everyone has a bad opinion on the ground of the NCR, and most the people who has the strongest opinions come from it. However it's one of the few systems where those bad opinions might actually mean something - Ceaser naturally will not listen to critique, bought into his own hype by this point, and House will no doubt fill his board room with his own Yes Men (no not that one) once he has the capital and military to secure his place. Flawed as it may be, the only pre-existing system that theoretically has a way to improve is the NCR via it's elections and the people's voices. It won't fix stuff overnight but it has hopes to fix itself, which is more than can be said for House, Ceaser, or the Courier building a new system out of unknowns and fanfiction.
@@gratuitouslurking8610 Yep, the capacity and expectation of self-regulation is what caused most places where people are educated to turn into democracies. It's also half of the Mr. House argument, that because he is the natural high-tech choice, it's an eventuality for him to be abdicate or be overthrown by more sensible people - with the upside that at that point, they're either an interplanetary society (if house is honest) or a 2nd world country (if house is just a money grub). And that also works as a counter-argument to the Legion, that if and when it's leadership crumbles, you'll still not have made any progress as a society, and when said leadership turns to democracy, you got the NCR, minus 200 years of progress and infrastructure, and when they turn into technocrat reformers, you have House, minus 400 years of progress and a leader from the age of true first world countries.
0:30 _"The difference they are making is not a positive one."_ That sudden jumpcut to concerned Heavy just slaughtered me like a group of Great Khan civvies trying to escape Bitter Springs. Also... _NO GODS OR KINGS! INDEPENDENT VEGAS!_
@@AgustusSinclairCo. my headcanon is an independent courier just basically lets yes man do most of the actually governing and checks up on him sometimes while they just gamble and drink and runs\ around the dessert collecting tech and nicknaks to deck out their room
let's not forget yes man with no input from his boss decideds to make it so he can give himself the power to say no and make his own choices so that ending is kinda laiden with "oh the passive aggressive guy with true admin access is probably planning a coop and is gonna do whatever the fuck he wants"
Heavy, you have my support. With out power and influence combined, we can drive out NCR and Legion. We could finally have time to heal the Mojave. First the people, then the earth. Then the full of the west, instegrating the NCR and Enclave under our healing project. Finally we move east, free Legion slaves and keep moving untill the entire US is at some resemblance of peaceful order
I think that the fact that people can even have these discussions is a testament to how amazing NV is. The fact that i see myself siding with all factions in certain circumstances is really amazing. This isnt fallout 3 where it's just "BoS good enclave evil"
@@SuperPerry1000fallout 4 is an entirely different beast Minutemen are stupid idiots and i cant say whats already been said a thousand times about them Railroad are also dumbfucks BoS while flawed, actually has an idea for the future. Its just that FO4 never explores that side of them Institute seems like the only option that would actually benefit the commonwealth, but they also got a bunch of problems that they never mention Basically, bethesda saw what obsidian did with the faction choices and tried to do it but fucked it up by making them idiots and not going into their flaws like NV did
@mojewjewjew4420 I don't want to start anything, but I think the Minutemen is the best faction since they are technically the "nicer" faction of all of them with the BoS being second because of their power armors.
Pyro would get as far as Primm and the guy who usually spawns with an incinerator, before cavorting across the wasteland endlessly spreading sparkles to anything he crosses.
I'm with Heavy, if you're playing a high level high karma courier and smoothed things out with all the tribes plus switched on the securitrons then an independent vegas would be a better option for the mojave
But heavy said he didn't want to lead which would mean no leader means it would just fall back into chaos,courier would need to be the leader just to keep everyone together
@@badasscrusader I reckon the sheer idolized status of the courier in a high karma high rep independent run would keep the tribes from causing much chaos. It's probably my favorite ending since it leaves the true outcome of an independent vegas dependent on how you played your character. In Heavy's case, it might send the whole region into chaos... or things will surprisingly become civil.
Yes but during the end of yes man he says he's going to adjust his personality setting so he can think independently don't you think he'll do away with you the second he does that unlike you yes man will live forever you won't so by that logic if you side with the full NCR and go full moral character if you fix the corruption help out the army and free ever and annex everything in the name of NCR the Mojave has a better chance of lasting long and peaceful
One of my big issues with the YesMan ending is that the AI is already self-upgrading by the time of the Second Battle of Hoover Dam: give him a few years without anyone able to control or contain him (such as House keeping YesMan's AI from infecting most of the network, and Benny keeping YesMan as much of a locked-away secret as possible), and The Courier would quickly become nothing more than a figurehead. With the Legion, you would at best be treated as a "Courier"/"Agent" like Vulpes. With the NCR, you would merely be on par with the other mercenaries that the NCR occasionally hires to help protect their roads. With Mr. House, you can be his most trusted protégé as well as his most capable "fixer"/"negotiator". With YesMan, it's unclear who would be the boss and who would be the subordinate, or even if you'll eventually be nothing more than a figurehead/slave.
@@neon-rc6lc I'm pretty sure one of the big boy devs released a statement saying it is intended as him limiting who he takes orders from (so someone can't just waltz on in and use him to coup you like you did to benny) but since its not clarified in game you can see it as anything
Brotherhood of Steel: Well that went well, all the other factions are gone now and we didn’t even pull a single trigger. Time to resurface and collect more technology!
Not only did you manage to get the characterization of every merc spot on, but them all yelling over eachother and somewhat agreeing with the others points is just perfect.
Ave, true to balding tribal dictator with a God complex and a severe case of "short sightedness" that believes enslaving the Mojave will save it. Just go join the Brotherhood of Steel and ignore the story until you get bored, better than choosing between slavery, enchanced slavery with added democracy, an immortal dictator, and possibly chaos in the independent ending. That's all I have to say, have a wonderful day and stop joining Ceasars Legion, just pick one of the others for once, try a strength build independent and blow everyone up, very fun, highly recommend.
This is so good. The moments when they somewhat talk over each other while trying to make their own points is so accurate to a bunch of friends arguing over stupid shit.
The thing with independent vegas (my personal choice) is that its morality and effectiveness depend entirely on your personal courier. The ending is really only there so you can make your own headcanon for how the Mojave would develop. It's pure fanfiction fodder and I love it.
I was hoping that Scout would come in and be the peacemaker, making the more than agreeable argument that all factions are good choices for different reasons. It just depends on what the player feels is the right choice for the Mojave, and that at the end of the day, Fallout New Vegas is still just a video game where you can make your own decisions and still have fun.
That’s what makes it so good, the writing allows for this. When there’s no universally objective best outcome you’ll have debates like this for decades. Same thing happened with Deus Ex.
@@atomicbezerk7718 the NCR has some flaws, it doesn’t mean that the other factions are perfect, that’s for sure, but saying that the NCR is the best faction is just wrong
"Independent" Mojave is the best option. Since your Courier can just do anything they wish for with their robot army and no other factions left to stop him. And since it's technically you making choices on what to do after, it can be everyone's best ending.
The problem is, Yesman betrays you. He talks about being reprogrammed to be more assertive, AKA he'll be able to say no to you. He'll be in charge, not you.
@@Bacxaber According to one of the lead developers, this was actually him reprogramming himself to only listen to you. Did you forget Yes Man follows literally anyone who talks to him?
Engineer is the most civil one despite being a Mr house fan. That's rare cause every FoNV fanboy are basically edgy psychopath teens who are into politics. I remember the old times were people talk about how many bugs & glitches they could find in the game, such good old times.
I mean has a NCR supporter, he right, House is legit the best option, he had everything planned out, his goals are beyond our understanding, he is the best for the world, not just mojave. He not lying House would save all of humanity, has he the only one who can fix this hellhole we created. Like wise keeping a single leader in control until end of time removes the risks of "problems". Problem is I like the brotherhood of steel even though they are stupid so house dead.
@@Fourtytwo4242X, he cares only about the people of the strip and his goals, not the suffering and uncivil humans, so that's why I don't like to side with him, imo.
@@Flamme-Sanabi This. If House really wished to improve the lives of humanity and not just wring them for their cash, Freeside would not currently be a hellhole itself. There would be nothing stopping House from policing the slums outside Vegas like they police the inner Strip, but he doesn't. It makes his claims about reaching the stars sound hollow when he can't deal with his front porch. Yes the NCR has issues holding it's land and image but House doesn't have a lot of ground to cover and secure if his goals were truly altruistic.
0:07 And I’d say he knows a little more about faction elitism that you do, pal, because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no living man could ever best him in the Ring of Honor!
Alright here's my best attempt at non biasedly analyzing all of the F:NV Factions 1. Mr. House Mr. House's argument is quite simple, he saved the strip, has run the strip successfully for a while (I can't remember how long exactly, but if you see anybody say it was for 200 years they are a liar, his systems were knocked out for quite a while after the war), and he has a plan for the future. His biggest issues are that he is a dictator (although it's not exactly like that's unique), not willing to compromise, and that he's not got the greatest past of being a good person (i.e. vault 21) 2. The Legion (The Legion really suffered due to the short dev time, so please excuse me if most of this is just guesswork) The Legion honestly probably wouldn't suck to live in, considering that it is incredibly safe for caravans, stable as hell, and probably has nil raiders in their territory at all. And life would be pretty comfy too, probably a forced stint in the military, but once you retire, a land grant and some free slaves wouldn't shock me, so you get a comfy life with no manual labor. (obv. unless you're a slave but no shit sherlock) (also the once you retire could just be a big if, it's hard to say) The issues with the legion (unless you like them for some reason) is the slavery, inequality, and massive amounts of blood and fire. And also don't forget the Caesar question, what happens to the Legion once he bites the big one? (naturally or at the hands of the Courier) I would say that the Legion wouldn't just fall apart immediately after his passing, maybe like a decade or two later, but if they lose the battle then it's a toss-up Maybe Lanius would be end up like Josh for his failure at the 2nd battle of the Hoover Dam, and without one man to take up leadership they might fall apart a few months or years after the battle, or the dam could be used as a rallying point, keeping the legion together for another attack. It's hard to say. 3. NCR Incompetent, corrupt, slow, bureaucratic, imperialistic (although that last one also applies to legion) Those are just a fistful of problems that the NCR has, and they're real obvious, so uh what does the NCR bring to the table? I would say that they aren't as obviously bloodthirsty as the Legion (Bitter Springs is more an example of incompetence than bloodthirst assuming Boone is to be believed), and are somewhat better to people than House, and that if the Mojave comes completely under their control, eventually they might have some say in governance. 4. Yes Man Oh dear god. iirc the only thing we know about yes man is that there's anarchy for a while, literally everything else is up to interpretation of your courier Wanna think your character institutes a fair and balanced democracy? Sure! Do you believe your character rules as a king of the Mojave? Absolutely! You think your character just fucks off and farms corn while the Mojave is 100% anarchy? Go for it dude! yadda yadda, you get the gist of it. Yes Mans upsides and downsides are whatever you want em to be, so they're hard to talk about objectively speaking. But common interpretation is that your courier ends up as just the dictator of the Mojave, so basically same issue as house and Legion just with a mailman instead. Sorry for inaccuracies or too much guesswork, I tried my best. (IMO NCR is the best option, but writing this out I could totally see somebody saying a House or Yes Man ending being best as reasonable conclusions. not the Legion though)
the ncr would be good if they werent changing so often, and also you know if they werent being lead by absolute incompetent dumbasses, but at least to me the ncr is the closest thing to a prewar government
Independant is my choice, I'd like to think that the Courier would build an anarchistic state with everyone able to live as they want, but everyone trying to invade, colonise, establish a goverment would be met with blood and fire.
NCR and Legion are both modeled after nations that have failed and fallen, House only seeks the future while pushing everyone else beneath him and independence while it sounds nice means dealing with all the raiders, gangs and other nonsense that rise from such a society while having every other faction fighting you and each other for Vegas. And for the sake of Soldier’s argument, the Enclave have been defeated time and time again to the point of being nearly wiped out completely despite their superior technology, tactics and resources. Then there’s the fact it is all made redundant with Lonesome Road and the tunnelers invading the Mojave in less than a decade. TL;DR: All choices are relatively bleak with their upsides and potentially catastrophic downsides.
I don't think you can hold that against the Legion. Despite eventually falling, as almost all ancient civilizations did, bar one, the Roman Empire was one of the most long-standing, powerful and influential civilizations ever formed. I don't like the Legion, but it being modeled after the Ancient Roman Empire is not a weakness.
You know, the mercs shouldn’t really care about House being a half dead guy with a machine strapped to him to keep him alive considering that they’re on the payroll of one in canon.
Independent Vegas is the best choice because the Courier will get rid of any problems. The second best would be House simply because if he becomes...difficult, he can easily be removed. No forces are going to come and replace him once he's dead.
Did you miss the part where Yes Man said he was going to rewrite his code to make himself more assertive? Independence in just nuspeak for "Robot Overlord" path.
This is probably the best video I've ever watched on the internet. Tf2 and New vegas are my two favorite games, so thank you so much for making this. I would marry you if made more like this one lmao
I think something similar. To me, that ending it's the maximum expression of power fantasy: "Look at me. I am powerful enough to rule everything by myself! I have no clue how to do it but i can. How do i know? Because I killed house after hurting my feelings, I killed Caesar because he is bad and i didnt joined the ncr because reasons!!. I'm BADASS and UNSTOPPABLE. I'm the most persuasive and dangerous creature of the wastelaaaand *Monkey screeches* " Mere power fantasy kids. Aka PEASANTS.
@@jessalaguicia7088 My personal take on it is that independent is sort fanfic like the original commenter said, but I feel its in a good way. My personal favorite is independent, but I see independent as being the best possible ending or the worst possible ending. An RPG like NV is all about either putting yourself into a character or building up a character you want to play or be. I like to think about it like this: a good karma Courier with high or max INT and high Charisma/Speech would be truly want whats best for New Vegas. While they would be smart enough to do a lot on their own due to high INT, they would know they can't solely rule over NV. They would try and gather the tribes together to create a nation in the Mojave rather than being ruled by a corrupt government on the coast. With their intellect and social skills they would likely be able to accomplish that and help build a thriving nation, or at least alliance in the Mojave to do whats best for people rather than ruling over it themselves. A good karma, low INT I Courier I think would have good intentions at heart, but in the end fail due to being an idiot. They would be the ones to try and solely rule New Vegas and the Mojave and make dumb decisions. So while they have good intentions at heart, in the end they would ultimately fail and cause the collapse of New Vegas. An neutral karma Courier wouldn't care about the start of New Vegas. I think they would leave Yes Man to himself as he only wishing for a Mojave without a governing body and just want anarchy where strength is law. For evil karma Courier, I think it would be opposites of the good karma. A high INT evil Courier I believe would choose to rule over New Vegas themselves and successfully pull it off. With their high intellect they would be able to rule New Vegas as a dictator and stand unopposed throughout the Mojave. Hell, with high speech/charisma they may be able spout enough propaganda that people truly believe that they have the best lives compared to everybody and all over governing bodies are evil such as many dictatorships currently do. Anyone who opposed them would be crushed as an example For an evil karma Courier with low INT, I think they would choose to try and sole rule over New Vegas, but horribly fail/get overthrown. I think because of the idiot they are, they wouldn't successfully use their robot army and be overthrown. At the very least even if their robot army was enough to stay in power due to its power, there would be constant strife, fighting, and rebellion on unstable battleground due to them not being able to handle anything due to being dumb. In the end I would say that Independent New Vegas can range from best to worst all based on how you play your character and what they are like. Smart good characters likely wouldn't be power hungry idiots who just want everything for themselves. Dumb bad people would be selfish as hell, but they would fail due to being idiots. You could argue more toward it too where a high strength evil Courier would rule with an iron fist, which a high INT and high Charisma Courier might try and use propaganda, brainwashing, and even inventions from Big MT to maintain control. Its really up to who your character is and how their and skilled to shape the ending should they choose for New Vegas to be independent.
The House Always Wins for me. If I was a merc, the rewards for being in his service far outweighs what can the NCR or Caesar can give as seen in the ending. & as for what's good for Vegas, he saved it from Nuclear apocalypse before & will continue to ensure sin city's legacy for years. He also gives people quite a lot of freedom, ensuring all will prosper.
This guy knows whats up, House has no interest in squashing the factions like the Boomers as long as they leave his economic outlets alone. He's also merciless to anyone who disrupts the peace like the Brotherhood
3:00 I mean, the NCR’s treaty with the BoS and the Boomers is what I see as the best outcome, with Caesar being defeated and his forces talked down at the Dam to send them away.
NCR with maximum allies may be a cakewalk in the final battle but seriously, tie all the tribes together and through each other's influence make the world better.
"The Legion will be split if Caesar dies." Just like the Macedonians were after Alexander died. Guess what, it turned out great. Fucking magnificent even.
There’s actually a secret ending in new vegas where a 5th party takes control of the wasteland that almost nobody knows about. If you ask Veronica everything about Father Elijah, you can later on in the Dead Money DLC unlock a special dialogue option that leads to the game ending and showing a secret ending where you and Father Elijah take control of the mojave wasteland. (Edit: there’s actually a 6th ending where the scientists from the Old World Blues DLC take control of the mojave wasteland)
@@bruvaguren494 the only 2 things that are really maintained are the strip and Hoover Dam. I’m aware that the NCR controls the dam. But why would all your tax money go to only one thing
They use the taxes to pay for things for the population like public education, public transport and clean water, also to fund the army. But they usually are subpar providing and with all the corruption they end up like they are by new vegas time
@@kronkrian100 but what about evangelion air can't you date evangelion air you can so it is a girl from evangelion and it is the most underrated girl of them all
@@Peter_Turbo4 The Rangers agreed to join the NCR to further their strength, clapped Legion cheeks during the first Battle of Hoover Dam, and were an instramental part of the NCR-Brotherhood War. They also fought valiantly against the Legion in the ending slides regardless of what faction you choose.
It's impressive how even past a decade, New Vegas has such complex lore that everyone is still arguing over it to this day. If only Obsidian had some more time...
Amazing work only thing that's missing is pyro giving a muffled speech and then a picture of Elijah and the wasteland covered in gas appears in the background. And maybe scout being the youngest trying to talk about fallout 4 and everyone instantly just starts yelling at him or gives him this completely blank look and he just runs away crying.
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Medic is based
I will litterally pay you 30$ if you make this exact video but with dark souls covidents
@@nuclearmonster8084 15.ai is down again so we're unfortunately going to have to wait another eight months
@@SwoleSorcerer Bad RNG name of the game bro
elijah ending best ending
"The entire fanbase of a 11 years old game" the video.
At least it is stuff you can debate about, try having deep convos with a yearly EA sports consoomer... it can't be done.
I mean, Team Fortress 2 has a 14 year old fanbase. Surprised there isn't more TF2/New Vegas stuff considering there already was a crossover back in 2010.
Politics for zoomers
Lmfao, ok, fallout 4 zoomer
Yeeeeep
This is ironically a more peaceful debate than anything in r/fallout
Never before have i been so offended by something i 100 agree with
imagine actually using reddit lmfao
because reddit fucking sucks
@@Type3Diabeto >use r/fallout
>say you like the legion because they have cool armor
>perma banned for racism
why do I even try
no r/fallout is an echochamber it only becomes rowdy when somebody disagrees
Soldier passionately talking praise for the Enclave made this video for me.
Shouldn't be any surprise. Enclave is all about America after all.
The Virgin Brotherhood of Steel vs the Chad Enclave
@@NobelTheKnave let's fucking goooo!
I don't know why but the enclave sounds so real then actually fucking governments politics
God bless the Enclave; God bless Rick May!
The way everybody bursts out laughing when Demo calls NCR a “well functioning democracy” absolutely killed me
i'm surprised that nobody laughed at medic since
well
he's defending Kaisars Legion
@@The-jy3yq well they were all annoyed at him, since listening to a Caesars legion guy is more annoying and stupid than funny and interesting. At least for me personally
@@Clarkamadorian cope and seethe that Caesar is the best option for the wasteland
@@AvgSchizoid Yes Man, throw this guy next after you're done with Oliver
@@frostbite5081 yes man is also pretty decent I suppose, way better than Caesar and his legion of slavery
"Medic my chin is receding just from listening to you" fucking gold
2:40
i'll steal it and use it.
this made me giggle like a madman
I thought he said “my hair is receding” because Caesar is bald
@@sethbangard5194 I thought he said "gene", as in "the number of my chromosomes is getting smaller listening to you"
Scout is into the think tank as a faction because the stealth suit is his girlfriend. And that is exactly why he is the only correct one.
Honestly I see him more as being apart of The Kings or Powder Gang. Kings being with his egotistic ‘bad boy’ personality and Powder Gang being ‘cause he’s most likely gonna get his ass arrested from the NCR due to his idiocy or something along the lines of that.
SCOUT IS LITERALLY ME
He was so sneak you didn't even see him in the video
Maybe spy will be a Chinese fan boi bcoz of the almighty Chinese stealth armor
@@ALV694 no that's spy
The only thing that could have made this better was the Scout interjecting that the Brotherhood was the best major faction, and all the other mercs getting pissed at him when they realize he's talking about Fallout 3.
Waiting for an extended version of this video with Scout interference
Hahahaha
Or 4.
@@Flamme-Sanabi Fallout 4 BoS was unironically the best version of the Brotherhood we got tbh. They're not shitty cookie cutter good guys like in Fallout 3 nor are they pathetic mole-men cowering in a tiny ass bunker. FO4 BoS was pretty decent.
I can see Pyro being the one to side either with the Big Mt. or Elijah
To be fair the best and only canon ending in the game is idiot Courier locking himself in the Sierra Madre Casino.
The Chad ending.
@@thatstrangeguy292 perhaps a *schizo* idea?
i died with the kromer
I legit done that run just now
Thats Legion ending since without Courier intervention, Legion would win.
Y’know it’s fitting that Glados would choose the ending with the AI.
Two AI dictators with an army of robots...
I N F I N I T E T E S T S U B J E C T S
Her saying "cope and seethe" shows how butthurt her hypocritical robot ass is.
I don't really even think endings where you can just fill in the blank should be an option for these debates. The courier isn't a definate character, they could be any kind of leader based on any kind of playthrough.
Maybe she likes him flushE
@@dragonfell5078 free side and The strip becomes a breeding ground for test subjects and vault 21 turns into a test site.
the best ending is just killing every single NPC you find and systematically depopulate the wasteland until all thats left is you WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN
Snipings a good job mate
Be polite, be efficient, have a plan to kill everyone you meet
*Fallout Dust intencifies*
Ah, a father Elijah associate
Pyro would support it but would just see it as the world turning into a magical paradise
Ellijah stan?
My god, the constant talking over each other, the obscure insults, the self righteousness about a fictional world. You sir have perfectly encapsulated what an internet argument would sound like in real life, and you used AI generated TF2 voices no less. Truly brilliant.
Soldier briefly gets hyped for Demo vs Sniper and goes "awww" when Engineer interrupts.
Every merc's stance actually makes perfect sense relative to their character.
Medic: "ends justify the means", approves of morally-questionable methods (such as slavery and razing towns) if the dictator in question is effective & makes demonstrable progress. I don't need to tell you why a Teutonic man who lived through the 1930's - 1940's could potentially believe this is the best way to move forward, never mind his other habits (use of living people as test subjects, etc.) The medic is absolutely the most" in his element" when taking drastic measures to turn the tides of battle, as demonstrated in his Meet the Team video and in-game, which is similar to how Caesar rose to power.
Heavy: believes in disposing of all major powers acting in the Mojave, returning power to the smaller tribes, and then eventually using the remnants of said powers (Yes-Man taking control of House's robotic army) to bring everyone to the bargaining table. It makes sense for a man who lived through the respective reign of a Tzar, the Bolsheviks and the Soviets to resent overbearing power (as all of those caused some degree of widespread suffering) and instead put his faith in smaller groups of ordinary, localized people.
Sniper: bases his entire career on his own skillset ("you don't need friends if you never miss"), causing him to either miss or ignore the benefits of cooperating with the Mojave's residents. Sniper is a solitary guy in general, it makes sense he would believe in using surgical precision to decide what's going to happen, regardless of what anybody else wants. Being so divorced from a raging battle also gives him more time to thoroughly scrutinize everyone involved.
Engineer: similarities between the pair using robots to defend themselves aside, it makes sense the Engineer would care less about moral quandaries (taxes, slavery, etc.) and be more interested in the wasteland's practical problems. Both he and Mr. House want to envision a bigger picture, derive a solution from that and use what's at their disposal right now to slowly accomplish it; ideally, via advanced technology (and making peoples' lives easier through it.)
Demoman: it's very subtle, but Tavish puts a lot of faith in tradition; he mentions churches, God, hell, etc. in-game, and he sticks to his family trade, supports his mother, etc. outside of the game. The NCR is among the oldest and most stable of the wasteland's societies, so it makes sense that the man would side with whatever faction has the most firmly-rooted and longest-lasting values (as even outside the context of the NCR, they greatly resemble pre-war America.)
Soldier: is a jingoist, supports jingoism. Soldier is also the sort of guy to stop paying any attention once he finds the most "American" faction, wherein he'll immediately believe that faction is justified in everything they are doing and the best possible option in every scenario. All he's really missing is a set of X-01 power armor.
Soldier is literally that one guy you meet in Megaton who does nothing but listen to Enclave Radio and balks at the idea they may be lying.
With such an indept analyzes. May I ask what endings you think Spy, Pyro and Scout would pick, based of their own personalities and backgrounds?
Soldier is right btw lol
Even better in the sequel where he just likes Enclave to start shit
@@redline841 yeah I like the enclave for that reason as well. It’s preety funny for people to make a 10 page essay about why the enclave is bad
And then I just respond “it’s a game dude”
I like how each factions are so good people are bickering over it until this day.
Fr
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Gonna be real, the arguments for the are always pretty laughable to me, and just signal that the person making it wants to be a fascist.
Every other faction makes so much more sense and has way more facets to consider in whether it would succeed or fail: House’s narcissism, the NCR’s many conflicting interest groups, and the interplay between many of the factions of the Mojave that you have to convince to help you in the wild card ending.
Caesar is basically LARPing as an emperor when the only thing that separates him from the tribes he conquered was how meticulous he was in erasing their culture, and a basic understanding of logistics.
@@Thobeian you sir have failed to realize the point of this comment… congratulations.
@@Thobeian The NCR is the least sensible and most dead--end faction of them all, the only reason they have any popularity is because people relate them to modern day political ideologies, which have failed the NCR so far that even that dumbass Caesar can recognize that they're just another dictatorship in practice. House, the Legion, and Yes Man are the only real competing parties in the mojave, with viable futures ahead of them.
“He can die in the game, you drunk shit! The Legion continues on without him!” The frantic, angry way Medic says this line gets me every time.
0:15 "We are having a deep philosophical arguement on the morality of slavery" got my ass crying.
Your what?
@@mannyperez6096 Medic thinks Caesar's legion is the best faction
HE FUCKING THINKS WOT?!?!
Scout: NCR: Neutral Karma (would pickpocket/kill for sunset sarsaparilla star caps)
Soldier: NCR (if not for Enclave): Evil Karma
Pyro: Independent: Evil Karma
Demo: NCR: Good Karma (Powder ganger/Boomer Sympathizer)
Heavy: Independent: Good Karma
Engineer: Mr. House: Good Karma
Sniper: Wipe the Slate Clean (independent): Evil Karma (With father elijah)
Medic: Caesar Legion: Good Karma (if only the old world blues ending where the scientists of the Big MT take over the mojave existed in the current game)
Spy: Mr. House: Netural (or even evil) Karma
Oh god the think tank ending.
Romans on the moon.mp4
@@yapflipthegrunt4687 We're Romans on the moon
we carry a pilum
but there ain't no slaves
so we tell tall tales
and we sing our Roman tune
not sure how well the powder gangers and the NCR go together considering that they are opposing factions
but it makes sense for demo ig
@@5kN9 i was referring to him as a sympathizer, not in alliance with them.
I think the spy and engeneer would totally go for mr. House, but the sniper with elijah dosen't make any sense to me.
2:08 It actually is perfectly in character for Heavy to hate faux-liberating dictators since Canon Heavy Is enemies with the USSR, who were just that
well not really heavys father was killed by the red army and he was put in a gulag by them but he escaped and thats as much as we know about heavy and the ussr. he never really states his opinion on them i mean it would probably be bad but we dont really know
@@staples9897 One tends not to be fond of the people Who kill one's father, imprison and torture one's family and then pursue said family for years, forcing them to take refuge in the cold middle of nowhere
@@koshavinka2995 like i said it would probably be bad but we cant really just assume something and call it true. We can theorise but we cant be definite
@UA-cam Bot Oh yeeesss
@UA-cam Bot what do you mean? Everyone in the team is clearly american!
>at least NCR is a well-functioning democracy
>everybody laughs
Fools, the corruption and inefficient bureaucracy is a sign of a working democracy.
Working as intended.
Also taxes
*even more uproar laugh*
True tho.
This is actually so amazing. The characterization of each merc, legitimate arguments presented that belong in an actual discussion about FNV, and the humor. 10/10.
yeah I did not think this would be so well put-together
A fuckin magnum opus of a video.
"NCR a functioning democracy"
>President Tandi.mp4
Tandi will be rolling in her grave, won't she. Even Aradesh feared this.
Love how Demoman and Soldier on opposite sides of the pre-war America, Scout would probably be too busy trying to install sex mods
And then giving up when it gets too difficult.
"SCOTT WHY DO U HAVE A MOD CALLED FEMBOY COURIER?"
Scout would the type of fucker to have Veronica as a follower and give her a dress and post about it on reddit.
Gotta get that Red Luccy.
Pregnant sunny mod
*Engineer being the most reasonable and siding with house is so in character, I love it.*
Funny that in my first run I sided with House and Engie is my fave class
🎶Cause in heaven🎶
🎶The house always wins🎶
@@rejvaik00 Ah, a man/woman of culture as well I see.
Yea in most of my runs I side with House
House fans explaining why they let a boomer make all their choices for them
The only true faction is the games protaganists and theyre army of companions.
Indeed. Why hand over control of New Vegas when you can just keep it yourself? The other factions can have a piece of the pie, if they ask nicely.
Me and my companions are the bane of the Legion
*their
@@SuperNormalManindeed. Why pay tax for ncr when you can overthrow them and make them pay tax for you instead
@@pyrothefriendlyarsonist9195 we do a li- no. MASSIVE TROLLING
This is actually written pretty well, it makes me wanna buy New Vegas.
Clunky graphics and movement aside, you won't regret it
@@TheJoazzz Mods can solve that
What? You haven't played New Vegas!?
*beats you to death*
@@rubedog961 No, you can't beat him to death! If you do, that's one fewer person who can play NV!
Soldier being an Enclave fanboy is absolutely in-character of him.
I can't explain why but the delivery of Medic going "HE CAN DIE IN THE GAME YOU DRUNK SHIT" is the best part of the video
Its just such a real moment
My favorite part is Definitely demo calling the NCR a well functioning democracy and then everyone else in the room laughing there ass off
Same.
you cant have democracy without intense corruption! it comes with the package
Soldier: “Medic thinks Caesar’s Legion is the best faction.”
Demo: “He focking thinks WOT?!!”
Gotta love Demo’s reaction 😂
He sounds angrier about that then the morality behind slavery
0:20
Is there no option to just not pick a faction and let things run their course while I live a peaceful life as a farmer with my cyborg doggy?
I just want to grill for God's sake
I mean, without Courier intervetion Caesar would have won.
Ngl tho, i wish there was an option to stay truly neutral.
@@afruitshopowner3307 there is, its the kill everyone option
@@virtualtools_3021 Yeah but you will have to do the Yes Man ending. (And you will also and end up being hated by both NCR and Caesar's Legion)
What i meant in my comment was that you could have just avoid siding with any of the main factions and deliver the platinum chip to Mr House.
The AI's delivery on "Medic, Caesar is a fucking psychopath" is so realistic omg
That’s pretty much /v/ in general.
>no Indian FO3 fan
Close but no
DONT REDEEM FALLOUT 3
REEDEM FALLOUT NV THANK YOU
@@knightshade2654 SIR DO NOT REDEEM
They did my man Demoman dirty. He would know the NCR *isn't* a perfect democracy, but rather a better alternative to anarchy and dictatorship or even maintaining the status quo.
He did say "functioning democracy", not "perfect" - sure, maybe he's playing up the actual competence of the NCRs political system, but he does admit it's far from perfect. He's right, of course - democracy is worth the cost in corruption and general bumbling ineptitude.
@@HellbirdIV I still think independent is better because 1.the legion can go burn
2.ncr needs to worry about itself not expansion 3.if you unite the tribes that's a force to be scared of plus more stability,also the courier would have to be the leader with no one to lead the tribes they would just splinter back into chaos
@@badasscrusader I think the main reason people still to this day talk about which faction is the "best" one is that none of them are actually "good".
Regardless of which ending you go for, every option has some positives and a lot of negatives. It's about picking which one you personally think is the most ... "okay".
@@HellbirdIV The way Cass puts it always stood out the most to me regarding the NCR: Everyone has a bad opinion on the ground of the NCR, and most the people who has the strongest opinions come from it. However it's one of the few systems where those bad opinions might actually mean something - Ceaser naturally will not listen to critique, bought into his own hype by this point, and House will no doubt fill his board room with his own Yes Men (no not that one) once he has the capital and military to secure his place. Flawed as it may be, the only pre-existing system that theoretically has a way to improve is the NCR via it's elections and the people's voices. It won't fix stuff overnight but it has hopes to fix itself, which is more than can be said for House, Ceaser, or the Courier building a new system out of unknowns and fanfiction.
@@gratuitouslurking8610 Yep, the capacity and expectation of self-regulation is what caused most places where people are educated to turn into democracies. It's also half of the Mr. House argument, that because he is the natural high-tech choice, it's an eventuality for him to be abdicate or be overthrown by more sensible people - with the upside that at that point, they're either an interplanetary society (if house is honest) or a 2nd world country (if house is just a money grub).
And that also works as a counter-argument to the Legion, that if and when it's leadership crumbles, you'll still not have made any progress as a society, and when said leadership turns to democracy, you got the NCR, minus 200 years of progress and infrastructure, and when they turn into technocrat reformers, you have House, minus 400 years of progress and a leader from the age of true first world countries.
I want to hear them argue about factions of Command & Conquer next
Yeah me too, good game series.
Don't hate me for this...but the brotherhood of Nod is for me
@@lautarogomez9711 Nah man the brotherhood of nod is awesome, the best villains in the franchise!
@@warsharkproductions6550 "oh really?..
Long live the brotherhood. Kane lives.
0:30 _"The difference they are making is not a positive one."_
That sudden jumpcut to concerned Heavy just slaughtered me like a group of Great Khan civvies trying to escape Bitter Springs.
Also...
_NO GODS OR KINGS! INDEPENDENT VEGAS!_
While chaos ensues when picking Yes man, it only lasts for a few weeks before returning back to normal only difference being no win for NCR or Legion.
Though we don’t know what could happen depending on the couriers travels in Dead Money, Honest Hearts, Old World Blues, and Lonesome Road.
@@AgustusSinclairCo. my headcanon is an independent courier just basically lets yes man do most of the actually governing and checks up on him sometimes while they just gamble and drink and runs\ around the dessert collecting tech and nicknaks to deck out their room
If you upgrade the securitrons before taking care of Mr. House the ensuing chaos is greatly reduced.
@@Mabra51 yeehaw massacre
let's not forget yes man with no input from his boss decideds to make it so he can give himself the power to say no and make his own choices so that ending is kinda laiden with "oh the passive aggressive guy with true admin access is probably planning a coop and is gonna do whatever the fuck he wants"
Valve : They don't need a tf2 show.
The People : Fine I'll do it myself.
Heavy, you have my support. With out power and influence combined, we can drive out NCR and Legion. We could finally have time to heal the Mojave. First the people, then the earth. Then the full of the west, instegrating the NCR and Enclave under our healing project. Finally we move east, free Legion slaves and keep moving untill the entire US is at some resemblance of peaceful order
A Russian saving the United States is the ultimate plot twist
I'm with heavy on their
@@boburkeen this?
Yeah, Heavy and (to a much lesser extent) Engie's motives and ideas are probably the better morally good options. Fuck the NCR and the Legion.
@@SwoleSorcerer his family were counterrevolutionaries so they were against communism.... Also heavy has an intelligence of 6 or 7
I think that the fact that people can even have these discussions is a testament to how amazing NV is. The fact that i see myself siding with all factions in certain circumstances is really amazing. This isnt fallout 3 where it's just "BoS good enclave evil"
Or Fallout 4 where "Institute bad, BoS bad, Railroad good(?), Minutemen...uh...Settlements?"
@@SuperPerry1000fallout 4 is an entirely different beast
Minutemen are stupid idiots and i cant say whats already been said a thousand times about them
Railroad are also dumbfucks
BoS while flawed, actually has an idea for the future. Its just that FO4 never explores that side of them
Institute seems like the only option that would actually benefit the commonwealth, but they also got a bunch of problems that they never mention
Basically, bethesda saw what obsidian did with the faction choices and tried to do it but fucked it up by making them idiots and not going into their flaws like NV did
@@SuperPerry1000 BoS is the best faction in fallout 4 and its not even a contest.
its also a testament to how badly NV fans need to touch grass.
@mojewjewjew4420 I don't want to start anything, but I think the Minutemen is the best faction since they are technically the "nicer" faction of all of them with the BoS being second because of their power armors.
Pyro would definitely go for the Elijah ending
why does pyro need red cloud when he can burn everyone with his flamethrower
He'd/She'd/It'd probably think that the Cloud being spread is actually just spreading sunshine and rainbows.
Pyro would get as far as Primm and the guy who usually spawns with an incinerator, before cavorting across the wasteland endlessly spreading sparkles to anything he crosses.
I'm with Heavy, if you're playing a high level high karma courier and smoothed things out with all the tribes plus switched on the securitrons then an independent vegas would be a better option for the mojave
But heavy said he didn't want to lead which would mean no leader means it would just fall back into chaos,courier would need to be the leader just to keep everyone together
@@badasscrusader I reckon the sheer idolized status of the courier in a high karma high rep independent run would keep the tribes from causing much chaos. It's probably my favorite ending since it leaves the true outcome of an independent vegas dependent on how you played your character. In Heavy's case, it might send the whole region into chaos... or things will surprisingly become civil.
Yes but during the end of yes man he says he's going to adjust his personality setting so he can think independently don't you think he'll do away with you the second he does that unlike you yes man will live forever you won't so by that logic if you side with the full NCR and go full moral character if you fix the corruption help out the army and free ever and annex everything in the name of NCR the Mojave has a better chance of lasting long and peaceful
One of my big issues with the YesMan ending is that the AI is already self-upgrading by the time of the Second Battle of Hoover Dam: give him a few years without anyone able to control or contain him (such as House keeping YesMan's AI from infecting most of the network, and Benny keeping YesMan as much of a locked-away secret as possible), and The Courier would quickly become nothing more than a figurehead.
With the Legion, you would at best be treated as a "Courier"/"Agent" like Vulpes. With the NCR, you would merely be on par with the other mercenaries that the NCR occasionally hires to help protect their roads. With Mr. House, you can be his most trusted protégé as well as his most capable "fixer"/"negotiator".
With YesMan, it's unclear who would be the boss and who would be the subordinate, or even if you'll eventually be nothing more than a figurehead/slave.
@@neon-rc6lc I'm pretty sure one of the big boy devs released a statement saying it is intended as him limiting who he takes orders from (so someone can't just waltz on in and use him to coup you like you did to benny) but since its not clarified in game you can see it as anything
Pure fucking gold man. Absolutely brilliant
Even tho I hate Engy as class, but he's so Based for choosing Mr. House
🎶 _Cause in heaven,_ 🎶
🎶 _The house always wins_ 🎶
*Meanwhile
Scout: I think Father Elijahs ending is the best
Pyro: *umph*
Brotherhood of Steel: Well that went well, all the other factions are gone now and we didn’t even pull a single trigger. Time to resurface and collect more technology!
Gotta go with mr.house bos
If Yes Man likes when we destroy the brotherhood then we all like it.
This is gold, my god this is fucking wonderful, I love this.
This is literally like the every day in the fallout community
First of all, no factions, just one man, and when the man rules the house, he is more capable of win
Not only did you manage to get the characterization of every merc spot on, but them all yelling over eachother and somewhat agreeing with the others points is just perfect.
The lot of them laughing at 3:21 is probably the best audio sample I have ever heard in my entire life
One of the most convincingly real conversations ever written
“At least the NCR is a well-functioning democracy”
>Everybody else laughs
The most accurate part of the video. True to Caesar.
Ad Victorium
@@whoneedslegsorarms5770 Hey, you ever wondered what plasma taste like? I could show you.
Ave True to Ncr
Ave, true to balding tribal dictator with a God complex and a severe case of "short sightedness" that believes enslaving the Mojave will save it. Just go join the Brotherhood of Steel and ignore the story until you get bored, better than choosing between slavery, enchanced slavery with added democracy, an immortal dictator, and possibly chaos in the independent ending.
That's all I have to say, have a wonderful day and stop joining Ceasars Legion, just pick one of the others for once, try a strength build independent and blow everyone up, very fun, highly recommend.
Fucking ceasar fanatic
This is so good. The moments when they somewhat talk over each other while trying to make their own points is so accurate to a bunch of friends arguing over stupid shit.
The thing with independent vegas (my personal choice) is that its morality and effectiveness depend entirely on your personal courier. The ending is really only there so you can make your own headcanon for how the Mojave would develop. It's pure fanfiction fodder and I love it.
It only in the game a fallback so you have a ending no matter what you did in game
Heavy would want a militant Followers of the Apocalypse for his version of the independent ending.
I was hoping that Scout would come in and be the peacemaker, making the more than agreeable argument that all factions are good choices for different reasons. It just depends on what the player feels is the right choice for the Mojave, and that at the end of the day, Fallout New Vegas is still just a video game where you can make your own decisions and still have fun.
What and pyro is in corner going full Elijah grindset mode?
That’s what makes it so good, the writing allows for this. When there’s no universally objective best outcome you’ll have debates like this for decades. Same thing happened with Deus Ex.
@@alizard7617 I believed that was what sniper was saying
bad
@@atomicbezerk7718
the NCR has some flaws, it doesn’t mean that the other factions are perfect, that’s for sure, but saying that the NCR is the best faction is just wrong
"Independent" Mojave is the best option. Since your Courier can just do anything they wish for with their robot army and no other factions left to stop him. And since it's technically you making choices on what to do after, it can be everyone's best ending.
The problem is, Yesman betrays you. He talks about being reprogrammed to be more assertive, AKA he'll be able to say no to you. He'll be in charge, not you.
@@Bacxaber
According to one of the lead developers, this was actually him reprogramming himself to only listen to you.
Did you forget Yes Man follows literally anyone who talks to him?
@@theepicone100 to be fair, yes man still changing his code is still kinda scary.
@@whyudoit4009 IT is! If it weren't for the lead developers confirming that it wasn't as bad as it sounded i'd probably think that too.
@@theepicone100 LIKE IF HE WAS ABLE TO DO THAT, what if a crazed maniac before the courier told him to cause a technological singularity. "Oh fuck."
I don’t know which factions to support in Fallout New Vegas as they each have a cool backstory to them but in my opinion I was going for Mr House
Legion
🎶Cause in heaven 🎶
🎶The house always wins 🎶
2:20 "Christ sniper im surprised your not a Caesar femboy"
To be fair they already wear skirts into battle
Engineer is the most civil one despite being a Mr house fan.
That's rare cause every FoNV fanboy are basically edgy psychopath teens who are into politics.
I remember the old times were people talk about how many bugs & glitches they could find in the game, such good old times.
I mean has a NCR supporter, he right, House is legit the best option, he had everything planned out, his goals are beyond our understanding, he is the best for the world, not just mojave. He not lying House would save all of humanity, has he the only one who can fix this hellhole we created. Like wise keeping a single leader in control until end of time removes the risks of "problems".
Problem is I like the brotherhood of steel even though they are stupid so house dead.
"Every FoNV fanboy are basically edgy psychopath teens who are into politics." Written like a true r/fallout redditor, friend.
@@Fourtytwo4242X, he cares only about the people of the strip and his goals, not the suffering and uncivil humans, so that's why I don't like to side with him, imo.
@@Flamme-Sanabi This. If House really wished to improve the lives of humanity and not just wring them for their cash, Freeside would not currently be a hellhole itself. There would be nothing stopping House from policing the slums outside Vegas like they police the inner Strip, but he doesn't. It makes his claims about reaching the stars sound hollow when he can't deal with his front porch. Yes the NCR has issues holding it's land and image but House doesn't have a lot of ground to cover and secure if his goals were truly altruistic.
I miss those bottle caps glitches.
this is one of the best 15ai vids i've seen
This video is beautiful, accurate and well crafted.
0:07
And I’d say he knows a little more about faction elitism that you do, pal, because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no living man could ever best him in the Ring of Honor!
0:20 Medic thinks Caesar legion is the best faction
He f@#$ing thinks what?!
0:22 ya welcome for @Atonio-132
Alright here's my best attempt at non biasedly analyzing all of the F:NV Factions
1. Mr. House
Mr. House's argument is quite simple, he saved the strip, has run the strip successfully for a while (I can't remember how long exactly, but if you see anybody say it was for 200 years they are a liar, his systems were knocked out for quite a while after the war), and he has a plan for the future.
His biggest issues are that he is a dictator (although it's not exactly like that's unique), not willing to compromise, and that he's not got the greatest past of being a good person (i.e. vault 21)
2. The Legion
(The Legion really suffered due to the short dev time, so please excuse me if most of this is just guesswork)
The Legion honestly probably wouldn't suck to live in, considering that it is incredibly safe for caravans, stable as hell, and probably has nil raiders in their territory at all.
And life would be pretty comfy too, probably a forced stint in the military, but once you retire, a land grant and some free slaves wouldn't shock me, so you get a comfy life with no manual labor. (obv. unless you're a slave but no shit sherlock) (also the once you retire could just be a big if, it's hard to say)
The issues with the legion (unless you like them for some reason) is the slavery, inequality, and massive amounts of blood and fire.
And also don't forget the Caesar question, what happens to the Legion once he bites the big one? (naturally or at the hands of the Courier)
I would say that the Legion wouldn't just fall apart immediately after his passing, maybe like a decade or two later, but if they lose the battle then it's a toss-up
Maybe Lanius would be end up like Josh for his failure at the 2nd battle of the Hoover Dam, and without one man to take up leadership they might fall apart a few months or years after the battle, or the dam could be used as a rallying point, keeping the legion together for another attack. It's hard to say.
3. NCR
Incompetent, corrupt, slow, bureaucratic, imperialistic (although that last one also applies to legion)
Those are just a fistful of problems that the NCR has, and they're real obvious, so uh what does the NCR bring to the table?
I would say that they aren't as obviously bloodthirsty as the Legion (Bitter Springs is more an example of incompetence than bloodthirst assuming Boone is to be believed), and are somewhat better to people than House, and that if the Mojave comes completely under their control, eventually they might have some say in governance.
4. Yes Man
Oh dear god.
iirc the only thing we know about yes man is that there's anarchy for a while, literally everything else is up to interpretation of your courier
Wanna think your character institutes a fair and balanced democracy? Sure!
Do you believe your character rules as a king of the Mojave? Absolutely!
You think your character just fucks off and farms corn while the Mojave is 100% anarchy? Go for it dude!
yadda yadda, you get the gist of it.
Yes Mans upsides and downsides are whatever you want em to be, so they're hard to talk about objectively speaking.
But common interpretation is that your courier ends up as just the dictator of the Mojave, so basically same issue as house and Legion just with a mailman instead.
Sorry for inaccuracies or too much guesswork, I tried my best.
(IMO NCR is the best option, but writing this out I could totally see somebody saying a House or Yes Man ending being best as reasonable conclusions. not the Legion though)
the ncr would be good if they werent changing so often, and also you know if they werent being lead by absolute incompetent dumbasses, but at least to me the ncr is the closest thing to a prewar government
@@bitterman7258 Ulysses would like a word.
Independant is my choice, I'd like to think that the Courier would build an anarchistic state with everyone able to live as they want, but everyone trying to invade, colonise, establish a goverment would be met with blood and fire.
@@Flamme-Sanabi Anarchistic Territory, FTFY
@@shotgunatthedisco6909 thanks lad.
NCR and Legion are both modeled after nations that have failed and fallen, House only seeks the future while pushing everyone else beneath him and independence while it sounds nice means dealing with all the raiders, gangs and other nonsense that rise from such a society while having every other faction fighting you and each other for Vegas. And for the sake of Soldier’s argument, the Enclave have been defeated time and time again to the point of being nearly wiped out completely despite their superior technology, tactics and resources. Then there’s the fact it is all made redundant with Lonesome Road and the tunnelers invading the Mojave in less than a decade.
TL;DR: All choices are relatively bleak with their upsides and potentially catastrophic downsides.
I mean if House makes it to space in a like 5 years
i mean houses securitrons can defend vegas againts tunnelers soo yes man or mr house
I don't think you can hold that against the Legion. Despite eventually falling, as almost all ancient civilizations did, bar one, the Roman Empire was one of the most long-standing, powerful and influential civilizations ever formed. I don't like the Legion, but it being modeled after the Ancient Roman Empire is not a weakness.
Hearing GLaDOS say "Cope and seethe." is a spiritual experience I never knew I needed.
*Pyro muffles something about Elijah. Entire team goes apeshit*
I find it hilarious that demo seems to react more angrily at the fact medic supports the legion than the fact they were talking about slavery.
The main factor in choosing a faction is your friends future
thats what I hate and love about fallout nv
And that is why I will NEVER go to the Legion. New Rome can burn with Caesar for all I care.
Yes, which is why NEW Rome will prosper and the Legion dominate. Legion bros 4 life. AVE.
This is an amazing showcase of human intelligence going in the wrong direction
Pyro in the corner talking to Father Elijia about gassing everyone and everything over lunch: Da fuk they doin over der?
You know, the mercs shouldn’t really care about House being a half dead guy with a machine strapped to him to keep him alive considering that they’re on the payroll of one in canon.
"god bless the enclave! god bless America!"
-John Henry Eden
“Holy shit Medic, my chin is receding just from listening to you!”
Fucking dead
Scout being like. “Idk dude NCR has some nice looking soldiers”
Scout would be pro-NCR solely because of Cpl. Betsy, despite the fact that she's not even into men.
Scout would be the guy so busy getting Companion perks he'd forget to run into Benny.
love the smiling house image in this masterpiece of a video, thank you
Glados is best hope for humanity
Truly a beacon of hope for the science of tomorrow.
The German idolizing the Roman larper, and Soldier simping for the Enclave is so on-brand
Independent Vegas is the best choice because the Courier will get rid of any problems. The second best would be House simply because if he becomes...difficult, he can easily be removed. No forces are going to come and replace him once he's dead.
Only reason I do house is because I'm more comfortable with playing a Sigma male courier tbh XD
Independent new vegas is fucking stupid, house is THE #1 best choice
@@natethegreat1305 If he was such a great choice, he wouldn't be dead.
Why not just publish your MLP crossover while you’re at it? Independent is Matt Ward Tier thinking
Did you miss the part where Yes Man said he was going to rewrite his code to make himself more assertive? Independence in just nuspeak for "Robot Overlord" path.
This is probably the best video I've ever watched on the internet. Tf2 and New vegas are my two favorite games, so thank you so much for making this. I would marry you if made more like this one lmao
Independent ending is fanfic-Tier and a cop out, change my mind
I think something similar.
To me, that ending it's the maximum expression of power fantasy:
"Look at me. I am powerful enough to rule everything by myself! I have no clue how to do it but i can. How do i know? Because I killed house after hurting my feelings, I killed Caesar because he is bad and i didnt joined the ncr because reasons!!. I'm BADASS and UNSTOPPABLE. I'm the most persuasive and dangerous creature of the wastelaaaand *Monkey screeches* "
Mere power fantasy kids. Aka PEASANTS.
Compare that to;
- A faction that has slavery
- A faction that is basically a robo dictatorship
- A faction with the worst of all; *taxes*
@@SSD_Penumbra Robo autocracy*
Kappa
@@jessalaguicia7088 My personal take on it is that independent is sort fanfic like the original commenter said, but I feel its in a good way. My personal favorite is independent, but I see independent as being the best possible ending or the worst possible ending. An RPG like NV is all about either putting yourself into a character or building up a character you want to play or be.
I like to think about it like this: a good karma Courier with high or max INT and high Charisma/Speech would be truly want whats best for New Vegas. While they would be smart enough to do a lot on their own due to high INT, they would know they can't solely rule over NV. They would try and gather the tribes together to create a nation in the Mojave rather than being ruled by a corrupt government on the coast. With their intellect and social skills they would likely be able to accomplish that and help build a thriving nation, or at least alliance in the Mojave to do whats best for people rather than ruling over it themselves.
A good karma, low INT I Courier I think would have good intentions at heart, but in the end fail due to being an idiot. They would be the ones to try and solely rule New Vegas and the Mojave and make dumb decisions. So while they have good intentions at heart, in the end they would ultimately fail and cause the collapse of New Vegas.
An neutral karma Courier wouldn't care about the start of New Vegas. I think they would leave Yes Man to himself as he only wishing for a Mojave without a governing body and just want anarchy where strength is law.
For evil karma Courier, I think it would be opposites of the good karma. A high INT evil Courier I believe would choose to rule over New Vegas themselves and successfully pull it off. With their high intellect they would be able to rule New Vegas as a dictator and stand unopposed throughout the Mojave. Hell, with high speech/charisma they may be able spout enough propaganda that people truly believe that they have the best lives compared to everybody and all over governing bodies are evil such as many dictatorships currently do. Anyone who opposed them would be crushed as an example
For an evil karma Courier with low INT, I think they would choose to try and sole rule over New Vegas, but horribly fail/get overthrown. I think because of the idiot they are, they wouldn't successfully use their robot army and be overthrown. At the very least even if their robot army was enough to stay in power due to its power, there would be constant strife, fighting, and rebellion on unstable battleground due to them not being able to handle anything due to being dumb.
In the end I would say that Independent New Vegas can range from best to worst all based on how you play your character and what they are like. Smart good characters likely wouldn't be power hungry idiots who just want everything for themselves. Dumb bad people would be selfish as hell, but they would fail due to being idiots. You could argue more toward it too where a high strength evil Courier would rule with an iron fist, which a high INT and high Charisma Courier might try and use propaganda, brainwashing, and even inventions from Big MT to maintain control. Its really up to who your character is and how their and skilled to shape the ending should they choose for New Vegas to be independent.
@@SSD_Penumbra a lot of people would choose one of those three if it meant not getting shot up by random raiders while traveling from place to place
0:42 Appalachia would like to have a word with Medic, specifically within firing range of their three silos.
You know you've made a good game when people are still having debates about its factions 11 years later
The House Always Wins for me. If I was a merc, the rewards for being in his service far outweighs what can the NCR or Caesar can give as seen in the ending. & as for what's good for Vegas, he saved it from Nuclear apocalypse before & will continue to ensure sin city's legacy for years. He also gives people quite a lot of freedom, ensuring all will prosper.
This guy knows whats up, House has no interest in squashing the factions like the Boomers as long as they leave his economic outlets alone. He's also merciless to anyone who disrupts the peace like the Brotherhood
I would love to see them argue over the best 40K faction/race or space marine legion too. It would be farting hilarious.
3:00 I mean, the NCR’s treaty with the BoS and the Boomers is what I see as the best outcome, with Caesar being defeated and his forces talked down at the Dam to send them away.
NCR with maximum allies may be a cakewalk in the final battle but seriously, tie all the tribes together and through each other's influence make the world better.
"The Legion will be split if Caesar dies."
Just like the Macedonians were after Alexander died.
Guess what, it turned out great. Fucking magnificent even.
Yeah if I remember correctly 🤔 even egypt went 2 centuries of Ptolemaic rule
Just finished watching the new Fallout show, i bet demoman is so pissed right now.
my thoughts too, would love a followup where they debate the tv show
I don't care what Todd Howard says, the TV show is non-canon bullshit
There’s actually a secret ending in new vegas where a 5th party takes control of the wasteland that almost nobody knows about. If you ask Veronica everything about Father Elijah, you can later on in the Dead Money DLC unlock a special dialogue option that leads to the game ending and showing a secret ending where you and Father Elijah take control of the mojave wasteland. (Edit: there’s actually a 6th ending where the scientists from the Old World Blues DLC take control of the mojave wasteland)
The only thing bad about the NCR is having to pay taxes. ITS A NUCLEAR APOCALYPSE! YOU DON’T NEED TAXES!
Dont they have cities to upkeep?
@@bruvaguren494 the only 2 things that are really maintained are the strip and Hoover Dam. I’m aware that the NCR controls the dam. But why would all your tax money go to only one thing
@@PrinceApollo117 I meant settlements on the east coast. y'know, california
@@bruvaguren494 that’s mostly non NCR stuff, like vault city, and that dump known as sandy sands
They use the taxes to pay for things for the population like public education, public transport and clean water, also to fund the army.
But they usually are subpar providing and with all the corruption they end up like they are by new vegas time
I’d like the mercs to discuss the best girl from evangelion
It would be scout arguing with people on the internet.
There's no best girl, only Kaworu
@@bruvaguren494 but Pen Pen exists
All of them are overrated trash. There.
@@kronkrian100 but what about evangelion air
can't you date evangelion air
you can so it is a girl from evangelion and it is the most underrated girl of them all
Everyone we all know the best faction is the Rangers
Rip
Didn’t they get their nuts subsequently slapped by the Brotherhood, Legion and then NCR?
@@Peter_Turbo4 Rangers never fought the Brotherhood nor NCR
@@Peter_Turbo4 The Rangers agreed to join the NCR to further their strength, clapped Legion cheeks during the first Battle of Hoover Dam, and were an instramental part of the NCR-Brotherhood War. They also fought valiantly against the Legion in the ending slides regardless of what faction you choose.
That was a Rhetorical question
Y’all fuckers never played Wasteland did you
It's impressive how even past a decade, New Vegas has such complex lore that everyone is still arguing over it to this day.
If only Obsidian had some more time...
I think not that it is about the lore, but the politics.
Amazing work only thing that's missing is pyro giving a muffled speech and then a picture of Elijah and the wasteland covered in gas appears in the background.
And maybe scout being the youngest trying to talk about fallout 4 and everyone instantly just starts yelling at him or gives him this completely blank look and he just runs away crying.
3:16 this always get me
I love this and want more of engineer spitting the straight facts about house
I feel traumatized after coming back from watching the fallout tv show and knowing that none of it ever mattered in the end. It was all for nothing.
from my unbiased view the legion is right
This is the best video I saw all day and a wasted a lot of time of UA-cam today.