Ahhhh awesome feedback my friend, thank you! Cant wait to see what you end up doing with the MH Phylo :D Want to take a second to also shoutout Zugzwang, BannedLagiacrus and Goji, whose work and feedback was crucial to building the tree seen here (and especially with choosing how to translate some of the taxa capcom provides in their trees)
Can’t wait for what you do with Wilds and their alien-like direction for MH; it really feels like the Africa and/or Australia of the Monster Hunter world, and I can’t wait for the full game.😁 Btw “The Black Flame” is my favorite monster shown so far.🤷🏿♂️😅
The “_aggis” are called Dog Wyverns for 3 reasons. • The pack hunting. • the distinctive howling up at the sky. • The main thing: they kinda bark. Especially apparent when surrounded by the whole Jaggi pack in Tri/3 Ultimate.
I will say that part of the reason that Elder Dragon Polytomy exists is because at one point in Monster Hunter World one the scholars literally admits that the Elder Dragon classification is a wastebasket taxon. This would explain why Nakarkos; an (I assume) invertebrate is put in a group of mostly vertebrates. That also explains other Polytomies, these taxonomic trees are made in-universe and the people there don't have access to DNA analysis and also might not have totally figured out the best way to group species. It might also just be Capcom not commiting to the relationships of their monsters but hey it helps to remember it is from the perspective of the in-universe people as well.
Also important to keep in mind that "Elder Dragon" isn't related to the monsters taxonomy at all, it's a classification for monsters considered an ecological or existential threat, ones that could wipe out civilisations and cause havoc if introduced to the wrong ecosystem.
You might be out of place, but i can confirm that you're definetly a zoologist. And your knowledge on latin and japanese language is excelent for a deer.
at 09:00 I believe the reason for the lack of branches on the superfamily has a very simple reason that got overlooked in the whole rationalization process the lack of branchin can be easily explained by the fact that there are creatures in MH that simply have not been shown in games, the lack of branching but there still being naming is simply a way to show that there are more creatures out there and that at any point capcom can just add a new super family there. we get new monsters all the time so its good for there to be "empy slots", the same goes for the non canon red boxes, originally they are all "???" meaning that those are mysteries even in world as far as we know. also on further note, yes there are ancestor to some monsters in suplementary material, like there some official books with like the prime ancestor of all bird wyverns but overall both frontiers and sumplementary creatures were kinda excluded, the books because of being only about what we can find in game and frontiers because its overall canon is point of discussion...
54:39 a cool theory i came up with about Magnamalo is that it isn't a real fanged beast but a flightless ground wyvern. Monster hunter has plenty of ground wyverns like Tigrex and Barioth for example which gave up or limited thire ability to fly in favor to live a more grounded lifestyle and take on roles similar to bears and big cats. I think Magnamalo is a very specialized ground wyvern that completely lost the ability to fly. If had to place it somewhere in the evolutionary tree it would probably be related to Barioth because they both share mammallike features like catlike face. This dose explain why Magnamalo has arm swords because they are a modified leftover of the ancestral wings that now serves a different purpose. I do like Magnamalo even if he is a bit much with his design. He has a great battle and good looking armor and gear. And also the reason i came up with this theory is because scorned Magnamalo can use dragon energy which is usually wyvern or dragon type moster ability.
I think the reason why Oceaniz didn't add any frontier monsters because he has mentioned before that majority of the artbooks or information regarding frontier are in Japanese, so the exclusion of Origin Species in the family tree, I think he would tackle frontier content when there are good translations of the source material
That is exactly it! Frontier has soooo much content and very little supplemental material, and while I do own two of the Frontier books, neither has loads to go on re: phylogeny. So my logic is to leave Frontier content either for later or to other creators who may have more experience/knowledge with that game in general, I definetly dont want to monopolize the monhun ecology youtube space :)
@@Oceanizthere are also the arguments over how canon the existence of Frontier exclusive monsters is in the mainline Monster Hunter universe, isn't there?
@@Ryodraco For me most or some of it is Canon, but I think its over exaggerated. Like how legends in the stories makes it more mystical and in Frontier can be an exaggerated form of the base game. But thats just how I see it, because I love most of the roster lmao
@@Ryodraco Frontier has basically never been mentioned in the main series apart from one coin in MHFU from treasure hunting mentioning Mezoportia but its the only time and Hypnoc and Lavasioth being in that game however they were joint creations from both teams. Espinas arrived in Sunbreak but there was still no mention of Frontier again.
The "locusta" epithet is in reference to the Kut-ku's ability to multiply rapidly in good years, which ironically is opposite to the locust's swarming during droughts. I personally would just render its name "Yian kutku" and "Yian garuga", since they're obviously related, though you can always have a "Yianoides", "Yianopsis", "Alloyian", "Pseudoyian", etc. genus if you think they're too distinct
So for the red line connecting the Fulgur and Dracophage bugs, I think in lore, there is technically no difference between Thunderbugs and Fulgurbugs, just that one lives away from Zinogre, and one live on Zinogre, so its hypothesizing that Fulgurbugs are specifically a species that live on Zinogre, and the normal Thunderbug can't just start living on Zinogre and turn into a Fulgurbug, cause its not the correct species. And connecting to this, since the existence of Thunderbug and Fulgurbug, there could be a "Draco"bug alongside "Dracophage" bug, one that lives away from Stygian Zinogre. So the red line is just a hypothesis on where they would be if that is the case. In my opinion from looking at it anyway.
I believe the reason that Radobaan isnt a chin hammer is because he doesnt have chin reinforced like Uragaan, since his species separate from the species that would latter on become Uragaan before the reinforced chin, since Radobaan actually doesnt use is chin in as many attacks as Uragaan and only does while he has bones in is chin to reduce the impact with the ground, as for Dog Wyverns i believe they recieve the name because of their "ears", that are more noticeable in the jaggia.
I think nightshade paolumu is supposed to mean the plant. Or most likely both meanings were intended. The sleep effect is why I think its the plant because nightshade has a reputation for its poison and dark purple fruit and flowers.
Paolumu solanium makes sense regarding the fact that Nightshade is also translated into other languages as in nightshades instead of night shade. In German (which is also Oceaniz' first language if I'm not mistaken) it is translated to "Nachtschatten" which could either be a nightshade or night shadow. Night shade would be translated to "Nachtton" so we can assume that the name is in fact a reference to the plants.
I'm all for making a new phylogenetic tree! I'm a biology teacher and love the monster hunter series :) ever since I learned that Capcom groups all the elder dragons together I was a little disappointed. It would make a lot of sense to group many elder dragons with non elder dragons (Kirin and Kelbi come to mind). I'm so glad I found this channel! Great work!
All for it too, this tree could afford to prune a few branches and I see some family that could affort to be fused. (like nearly everything that is flying, depending on wing shape and phalanges used for it)
In Monster Hunter Wilds it'll basically be the first time Hunter culture is explored(cuz the denizen of the uh, game's region didnt know hunters use such mechanical weapons to actually slay big monsters) Technically, they kinda touch on it in the Stories games cuz you play as a Rider, actually riding, befriendjng and raising monsters using magical Kinship stones...
24:59 I've seen a lot of debates over Bazelgeuse's relations. Many assume it's related to Seregios due to the shared modification to their scales. I've even seen one person claim it's related to the Raths due to the anisodactyl feet, shell/carapace-esque armor, and excretion of chemicals. 29:48 I read it as Bay-zel-juice. In Japanese, Betelegeuse is written Beterugyusu. Bazelgeuse is written Bazerugyusu. I interpret this as the last syllable being identical. So, Betelgeuse being pronounced as Bee-tel-juice means it could be Bay-zel-juice or Bah-zel-juice. I read it as the latter because of the E, but I'll often say is as the prior if someone says it that way first. 51:41 proditor could be in reference to how the jagras don't really defend the great jagras and can even be used against them
28:19 I think it is named after real sort of Nightshade though. Mostly cause it have sleep element, and if I recall correctly some plants of nightshade variety are toxic and cause delirious state which in MH we could compare to sleep ailment.
Small Jagras can't disown the Alpha....the "Alpha" is the adult. The smaller Jagras are young G. Jagras. Same for G. Jaggi and the smaller ones and the other Bird Wyverns from 3rd generation.
1:36:40 Yama Tsukami, Copper Blangonga, Terra Shogun Ceanataur, Shen Gaoren, Vespoid Queen, King Shakalaka, and Hypnocatrice are all tied for the longest since they last appeared in a mainline game, not since MHFU.
Their japanese names are kind of their scientific name already, though it's usually two words combined together. For example, "Leoleusu (Rathalos)" is two words, "Leo" means lion and "Leusu" comes from "Basileus", "Leoleia (Rathian)" is "Leo" and "Rhea", like you said.
I don't have the time now to watch this but I definitely will later. Also, since the other video of yours you mentioned is on my watchlist for several months now, I think I should give you my sub 👍
I believe that Rathalos's japanese name may also be a corruption/japanese version of Leo or Lion, cause a lot of stuff says that Rathalos is supposed to have a lion motif to fit its royal/regal nature
44:02 Uragaan's Japanese name, "ウラガンキン" (uragankin), apparently comes from Italian "uragano" (hurricane) and German "Kinn" (chin). Radobaan's name, "ラドバルキン" (radobarukin), apparently comes from German "Radball" (cycle ball). German "Kinn" and English "chin" are cognates, so you're 100% correct about them sounding similar.
I always assumed nightshade paolumu was a double meaning, referencing both the plant and some species’ poisons, and the coloration. Another note, I’d love to see you make your own MH phylogenetic tree based on the mainline and spin off mon
I became the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing meme when I saw specific epithets I know from the real world, mostly ones related to SE Asian snakes... so fusca/mucosa (for Ptyas) and insularis (for Trimeresurus). Great video, I don't even play MonHunt (except a bit of World) but my gf does.
The reason why Bazel and Seregios are most likely not related in this is because both of them have very significantly different anatomical features with using their scales, Seregios' blade scales are actual scales, meanwhile Bazel's blast scales are just hardened oxidized fluid from glands under its neck, so maybe it's a sort of convergent evolution thing
59:10 "rhodon" is Greek for "rose" such as in rhodopsin-like receptors, a very large class of G-protein coupled receptors; rhodobacterales, an order of alphaproteobacteria; and Rhododendron, the plant genus. 1:31:47 Volvox is a genus of colonial green algae. The colonies are shaped like spheres, hence the genus name. They look very cool under a microscope.
In fact in spanish the nightshade paolumu it is paolumu somnus By the way this video is such a piece of art and really loved it as a monster hunter fan
The wiki fandom page with the phylogenetic tree doesn't have wyverians but has humans. This google sheet has neither it seems but I guess those don't matter.
Ah man. I'm in the middle of making a tree that includes all species from the mainline games right now, including endemic life, with the idea of making youtube videos about it lol. Oh well. I was mostly doing it because there wasn't anything like it available, so having a professional do it is the best i could ask for. Especially one who speaks japanese, so the frontier monsters could be included too. I'll just check my work against yours to see how well I did. Looking forward to it!
I feel like there’s a lot of missed opportunities to have fun with the connection. For example; what if Astalos was closer related to Neopterons than flying wyverns and only adopted the flying wyvern phenotype through convergent evolution? We could also have it so Gravios and Bazelgeuse would be closer than Bazelgeuse and Seregios because their ancestor developed explosives before losing the ability to fly!
Loved this video. Didn't think I would learn so much about Latin and Greek. I would love to see your own version of this and the big ways it would differ from Capcom. Break up the polytomies!
Some already data mined wilds, I don't know if that's reliable and I don't want to spoil anyone here but you're right, arkveld and I also think the black flame is in a different and new class of monsters called extinct monsters.
You probably learned this already, but the structure of the tree is exactly the same one found in the Monster Hunter books; Oceaniz' only modifications are the red boxes, the binomial names for each monster species and what is pointed out in-universe as a misclassification of Monster Variants (Eg: Black Diablos being a female in heat, rather than a conventional subspecies)
So Flying Wyverns USED to be less Polytomic, Espinas was a shell Wyvern like Gravios and the Blos Wyverns but was changed in Sunbreak. Seregios WAS a Psuedo Wyvern that represented a more basal form than Nargacuga and Barioth but that was retconned. Also Tigrex was more basal than other flying Wyverns but less so than Akantor and Ukanlos.
I'm almost certain tetsucabra has shogunate references in it's design, like on the armor set, also on Nerscylla, speaking from my language classes, people tend to, overtime, choose to use the easiest way to say words (if possible) so I'd argue that nerscylla would at some point go from Ner-ski-la to ner-si-la, just from usage alone, I myself have called it ner-si-la ever since I first met it. I've also called ceadeus sea-deus, because if you take deus, from most spanish/portuguese languages, it means god, so sea god, but before that I would call him Ka-e-deus because I thought it was written caedeus.
Elder Dragons like Fatalis and Alatreon were called Black Dragons or Forbidden Dragons and lore-wise they were kept secret, because for some reason the hunters guild wanted it that way...? This was years ago, I think in iceborne when you talk to that beautiful lady third fleet commander about it she says things like "no they don't exist, it's not true" or something. I should've looked into that more. There is something shady going on in the hunter guild and hopefully we'll find out in Wilds.
I don't think the elder dragon tree will ever get better... only worse. As another commenter pointed out, in world, there is in-game dialogue where they outright admit that "anything that doesn't fit into established classification just gets put in the elder dragon bucket". The elder dragons are thus treated almost like a standalone type of existence which might not even entirely follow the rules we are used to. I mean, in what world is kirin even closely related to... well... much of anything else in monster hunter...? It seems to me closer in build and movement to a kelbi than any elder dragon, with most elder dragons either being collossal or winged, as far as I know... meanwhile kirin is out here being smaller than any of the large monsters that live in the coral highlands, prancing around like an overgrown kelbi, and being treated like it is more closely related to things like zorah magdoros and kushala daora than to a kelbi, just because it can call down thunderstorms. Given that one of the things that, as far as I know, is among the slowest and least likely things to change is the number of limbs, unless kirin is hiding some vestigial wings, it seems silly to treat it as having much in common with the majority of the elder dragons, who have 6 limbs (and the rest are whale-like, serpentine, or colossal.) I suspect that if kirin really is more closely related to other elder dragons than it is to a kelbi, it is most closely related to the mountain dragons like zorah magdoros and such, or maybe the whale-like ones, than it is to any of the winged elder dragons who sport an extra set of limbs...
I thought bazelguese was based on the star bazelguese which exploded hence the explosive theme, this was a rare? event don't know how often we can observe stars explode
Betelgeuse is not dead (yet) The explosion observed in 2019 was not a supernova, and i'm pretty sure bazelgeuse was designed way earlier than that event so yea
If you want to take a look at a youtuber who makes videos regarding Physiology and possible evolutionary history, look up Unnatural History Channel. He has a ton of videos regarding tons of monsters, even elder dragons and their possible relation to each other.
kinda bothered by the fact that there are no tautonyms in here. Could be specially useful to identify the "base species" from the other species, but alas, the names ain't that badt.
Hi, I do not have a channel but I am very intereseted in clasificating mh animals, I also did an outdated mh evolutionary tree for myself, that in many ways differ with capcom one, if you are interested in seeing it, or me helping you out, plase let me know!
Wilds is going to throw a huge monkey wrench into that web of life... Those designs are really cool but im worried they're kind of lore breaking... like a Mosquito Brute Whyvern and a an Elder Dragon that has literally no draconian features what so ever.. Again though its hard to be bothered by that when they look so freaking cool
I mean, Elder Dragons are just a classification that says "We don't know where these come from". They seem to be entirely unique species that don't share any known ancestor
@@hankskorpio5857but what are you talking about, we have no elders revealed for the game yet, and the devs have stated they want to "move away" from elders atleast in this game
I personally like Bah-zell-ghee-us because it feels extravagant and over the top but also flows well, same with Jyuratodus as « Jir-at-oh-dos » like « Jeer-atha-doss »
Ahhhh awesome feedback my friend, thank you! Cant wait to see what you end up doing with the MH Phylo :D
Want to take a second to also shoutout Zugzwang, BannedLagiacrus and Goji, whose work and feedback was crucial to building the tree seen here (and especially with choosing how to translate some of the taxa capcom provides in their trees)
Looking forward to season 3 of Monster Hunter Ecology!
Can yu do the full evolution of life in monster hunter
Can’t wait for what you do with Wilds and their alien-like direction for MH; it really feels like the Africa and/or Australia of the Monster Hunter world, and I can’t wait for the full game.😁
Btw “The Black Flame” is my favorite monster shown so far.🤷🏿♂️😅
Hey are the subspecies in the tree treated as subspecies or are they actual distinct species?
The “_aggis” are called Dog Wyverns for 3 reasons.
• The pack hunting.
• the distinctive howling up at the sky.
• The main thing: they kinda bark. Especially apparent when surrounded by the whole Jaggi pack in Tri/3 Ultimate.
the group is also named after jaggi, as they are THE "dog wyverns"; and they have frills that resemble floppy hound ears.
Well now I just want a pet of one.
This feels like watching a stream recording of a professor marking your spreadsheet (positive)
My friend basically said the same thing
Real. I feel like listening to my favorite professor's online zoom class
I will say that part of the reason that Elder Dragon Polytomy exists is because at one point in Monster Hunter World one the scholars literally admits that the Elder Dragon classification is a wastebasket taxon. This would explain why Nakarkos; an (I assume) invertebrate is put in a group of mostly vertebrates. That also explains other Polytomies, these taxonomic trees are made in-universe and the people there don't have access to DNA analysis and also might not have totally figured out the best way to group species. It might also just be Capcom not commiting to the relationships of their monsters but hey it helps to remember it is from the perspective of the in-universe people as well.
Also important to keep in mind that "Elder Dragon" isn't related to the monsters taxonomy at all, it's a classification for monsters considered an ecological or existential threat, ones that could wipe out civilisations and cause havoc if introduced to the wrong ecosystem.
You might be out of place, but i can confirm that you're definetly a zoologist. And your knowledge on latin and japanese language is excelent for a deer.
Never underestimate the underground deer society
Nokotan taught me not to underestimate deer
at 09:00 I believe the reason for the lack of branches on the superfamily has a very simple reason that got overlooked in the whole rationalization process
the lack of branchin can be easily explained by the fact that there are creatures in MH that simply have not been shown in games, the lack of branching but there still being naming is simply a way to show that there are more creatures out there and that at any point capcom can just add a new super family there.
we get new monsters all the time so its good for there to be "empy slots", the same goes for the non canon red boxes, originally they are all "???" meaning that those are mysteries even in world as far as we know.
also on further note, yes there are ancestor to some monsters in suplementary material, like there some official books with like the prime ancestor of all bird wyverns but overall both frontiers and sumplementary creatures were kinda excluded, the books because of being only about what we can find in game and frontiers because its overall canon is point of discussion...
1:43:01 to be fair, "Gorilla gorilla gorilla" is an accepted taxon
And "Eagle Eagle" too.
Don't forget "Quagga"
Bison Bison Bison 🦬
54:39 a cool theory i came up with about Magnamalo is that it isn't a real fanged beast but a flightless ground wyvern.
Monster hunter has plenty of ground wyverns like Tigrex and Barioth for example which gave up or limited thire ability to fly in favor to live a more grounded lifestyle and take on roles similar to bears and big cats.
I think Magnamalo is a very specialized ground wyvern that completely lost the ability to fly.
If had to place it somewhere in the evolutionary tree it would probably be related to Barioth because they both share mammallike features like catlike face.
This dose explain why Magnamalo has arm swords because they are a modified leftover of the ancestral wings that now serves a different purpose.
I do like Magnamalo even if he is a bit much with his design.
He has a great battle and good looking armor and gear.
And also the reason i came up with this theory is because scorned Magnamalo can use dragon energy which is usually wyvern or dragon type moster ability.
I think the reason why Oceaniz didn't add any frontier monsters because he has mentioned before that majority of the artbooks or information regarding frontier are in Japanese, so the exclusion of Origin Species in the family tree, I think he would tackle frontier content when there are good translations of the source material
That is exactly it! Frontier has soooo much content and very little supplemental material, and while I do own two of the Frontier books, neither has loads to go on re: phylogeny. So my logic is to leave Frontier content either for later or to other creators who may have more experience/knowledge with that game in general, I definetly dont want to monopolize the monhun ecology youtube space :)
@@Oceanizthere are also the arguments over how canon the existence of Frontier exclusive monsters is in the mainline Monster Hunter universe, isn't there?
@@Ryodraco For me most or some of it is Canon, but I think its over exaggerated. Like how legends in the stories makes it more mystical and in Frontier can be an exaggerated form of the base game. But thats just how I see it, because I love most of the roster lmao
@@Ryodraco Frontier has basically never been mentioned in the main series apart from one coin in MHFU from treasure hunting mentioning Mezoportia but its the only time and Hypnoc and Lavasioth being in that game however they were joint creations from both teams. Espinas arrived in Sunbreak but there was still no mention of Frontier again.
The "locusta" epithet is in reference to the Kut-ku's ability to multiply rapidly in good years, which ironically is opposite to the locust's swarming during droughts. I personally would just render its name "Yian kutku" and "Yian garuga", since they're obviously related, though you can always have a "Yianoides", "Yianopsis", "Alloyian", "Pseudoyian", etc. genus if you think they're too distinct
So for the red line connecting the Fulgur and Dracophage bugs, I think in lore, there is technically no difference between Thunderbugs and Fulgurbugs, just that one lives away from Zinogre, and one live on Zinogre, so its hypothesizing that Fulgurbugs are specifically a species that live on Zinogre, and the normal Thunderbug can't just start living on Zinogre and turn into a Fulgurbug, cause its not the correct species. And connecting to this, since the existence of Thunderbug and Fulgurbug, there could be a "Draco"bug alongside "Dracophage" bug, one that lives away from Stygian Zinogre. So the red line is just a hypothesis on where they would be if that is the case. In my opinion from looking at it anyway.
I believe the reason that Radobaan isnt a chin hammer is because he doesnt have chin reinforced like Uragaan, since his species separate from the species that would latter on become Uragaan before the reinforced chin, since Radobaan actually doesnt use is chin in as many attacks as Uragaan and only does while he has bones in is chin to reduce the impact with the ground, as for Dog Wyverns i believe they recieve the name because of their "ears", that are more noticeable in the jaggia.
They also pack hunt and bark and howl for communications
This Video is probably the Reason im grateful for stumbling to your channel due to the Nokotan Video.
0:49 YOU KNOW ABOUT PROJECT MOON?!?
Always learning. A lot from your videos. As a monster hunter fan, this has been eye opening.
I think nightshade paolumu is supposed to mean the plant. Or most likely both meanings were intended. The sleep effect is why I think its the plant because nightshade has a reputation for its poison and dark purple fruit and flowers.
0:49 Sudden Don jumpscare
Paolumu solanium makes sense regarding the fact that Nightshade is also translated into other languages as in nightshades instead of night shade. In German (which is also Oceaniz' first language if I'm not mistaken) it is translated to "Nachtschatten" which could either be a nightshade or night shadow. Night shade would be translated to "Nachtton" so we can assume that the name is in fact a reference to the plants.
I'm all for making a new phylogenetic tree! I'm a biology teacher and love the monster hunter series :) ever since I learned that Capcom groups all the elder dragons together I was a little disappointed. It would make a lot of sense to group many elder dragons with non elder dragons (Kirin and Kelbi come to mind).
I'm so glad I found this channel! Great work!
All for it too, this tree could afford to prune a few branches and I see some family that could affort to be fused. (like nearly everything that is flying, depending on wing shape and phalanges used for it)
The Out-of-place zoologist is going places from all over indeed
In Monster Hunter Wilds it'll basically be the first time Hunter culture is explored(cuz the denizen of the uh, game's region didnt know hunters use such mechanical weapons to actually slay big monsters)
Technically, they kinda touch on it in the Stories games cuz you play as a Rider, actually riding, befriendjng and raising monsters using magical Kinship stones...
This was so much fun. Really enjoyed this! Can't wait for more Monster Hunter science stuff.
24:59 I've seen a lot of debates over Bazelgeuse's relations. Many assume it's related to Seregios due to the shared modification to their scales. I've even seen one person claim it's related to the Raths due to the anisodactyl feet, shell/carapace-esque armor, and excretion of chemicals.
29:48 I read it as Bay-zel-juice. In Japanese, Betelegeuse is written Beterugyusu.
Bazelgeuse is written Bazerugyusu. I interpret this as the last syllable being identical. So, Betelgeuse being pronounced as Bee-tel-juice means it could be Bay-zel-juice or Bah-zel-juice. I read it as the latter because of the E, but I'll often say is as the prior if someone says it that way first.
51:41 proditor could be in reference to how the jagras don't really defend the great jagras and can even be used against them
Regarding Jagrass, I think it may also be a reference to how Greats can sometimes eat small female jagrasses when hungry
@@Creocist What are you talking about? The small Jagras are its young. Sure it might eat them too but those are the babies.
28:19 I think it is named after real sort of Nightshade though.
Mostly cause it have sleep element, and if I recall correctly some plants of nightshade variety are toxic and cause delirious state which in MH we could compare to sleep ailment.
51:30 I think its name is because lorewise, smaller Jagras will effectively disown their alpha if they aren't satisfied with its leadership.
Would make for an interesting jagras varient
Also they are known cannibals of their own relatives.
Small Jagras can't disown the Alpha....the "Alpha" is the adult. The smaller Jagras are young G. Jagras. Same for G. Jaggi and the smaller ones and the other Bird Wyverns from 3rd generation.
@nuke2099 what if they all just kind of leave
@@borzoilover4156 Well they wouldn't. Young animals only leave their parents when they're ready. Young animals don't just leave their parent.
Oceaniz has made videos that give context to a lot of the things in this video, they are the monsters of monster hunter videos.
1:36:40 Yama Tsukami, Copper Blangonga, Terra Shogun Ceanataur, Shen Gaoren, Vespoid Queen, King Shakalaka, and Hypnocatrice are all tied for the longest since they last appeared in a mainline game, not since MHFU.
Their japanese names are kind of their scientific name already, though it's usually two words combined together.
For example, "Leoleusu (Rathalos)" is two words, "Leo" means lion and "Leusu" comes from "Basileus", "Leoleia (Rathian)" is "Leo" and "Rhea", like you said.
I don't have the time now to watch this but I definitely will later. Also, since the other video of yours you mentioned is on my watchlist for several months now, I think I should give you my sub 👍
I believe that Rathalos's japanese name may also be a corruption/japanese version of Leo or Lion, cause a lot of stuff says that Rathalos is supposed to have a lion motif to fit its royal/regal nature
44:02 Uragaan's Japanese name, "ウラガンキン" (uragankin), apparently comes from Italian "uragano" (hurricane) and German "Kinn" (chin). Radobaan's name, "ラドバルキン" (radobarukin), apparently comes from German "Radball" (cycle ball).
German "Kinn" and English "chin" are cognates, so you're 100% correct about them sounding similar.
That's an interesting etymology
Wow this channel is super underrated
I always assumed nightshade paolumu was a double meaning, referencing both the plant and some species’ poisons, and the coloration. Another note, I’d love to see you make your own MH phylogenetic tree based on the mainline and spin off mon
0:17 Adamancipator mentioned
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I became the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing meme when I saw specific epithets I know from the real world, mostly ones related to SE Asian snakes... so fusca/mucosa (for Ptyas) and insularis (for Trimeresurus). Great video, I don't even play MonHunt (except a bit of World) but my gf does.
The reason why Bazel and Seregios are most likely not related in this is because both of them have very significantly different anatomical features with using their scales, Seregios' blade scales are actual scales, meanwhile Bazel's blast scales are just hardened oxidized fluid from glands under its neck, so maybe it's a sort of convergent evolution thing
28:37 fun fact, in spanish it's literally called paolumu somnus in game :D
Wonderful ❤
Not even 20 minutes in & I'm loving it
59:10 "rhodon" is Greek for "rose" such as in rhodopsin-like receptors, a very large class of G-protein coupled receptors; rhodobacterales, an order of alphaproteobacteria; and Rhododendron, the plant genus.
1:31:47 Volvox is a genus of colonial green algae. The colonies are shaped like spheres, hence the genus name. They look very cool under a microscope.
it sent me when you reach Deviljho part. thats such a good inside joke
Love the long video!!
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It may be called grey cause it wears Gypceros pelt what is grey colored
And other species is ”pale”, cause it wears Khezu pelt which is white.
1:33:09- Imagine Dire Miralis rockin up to the Scarlett Forest.
I would LOVE to see phylogenetic analyses of Monster Hunter creatures!
In fact in spanish the nightshade paolumu it is paolumu somnus
By the way this video is such a piece of art and really loved it as a monster hunter fan
The wiki fandom page with the phylogenetic tree doesn't have wyverians but has humans. This google sheet has neither it seems but I guess those don't matter.
Ah man. I'm in the middle of making a tree that includes all species from the mainline games right now, including endemic life, with the idea of making youtube videos about it lol.
Oh well. I was mostly doing it because there wasn't anything like it available, so having a professional do it is the best i could ask for. Especially one who speaks japanese, so the frontier monsters could be included too. I'll just check my work against yours to see how well I did. Looking forward to it!
I feel like there’s a lot of missed opportunities to have fun with the connection. For example; what if Astalos was closer related to Neopterons than flying wyverns and only adopted the flying wyvern phenotype through convergent evolution? We could also have it so Gravios and Bazelgeuse would be closer than Bazelgeuse and Seregios because their ancestor developed explosives before losing the ability to fly!
Except for the fact that Astalos is a vertebrate.
Loved this video. Didn't think I would learn so much about Latin and Greek.
I would love to see your own version of this and the big ways it would differ from Capcom.
Break up the polytomies!
Some already data mined wilds, I don't know if that's reliable and I don't want to spoil anyone here but you're right, arkveld and I also think the black flame is in a different and new class of monsters called extinct monsters.
You probably learned this already, but the structure of the tree is exactly the same one found in the Monster Hunter books; Oceaniz' only modifications are the red boxes, the binomial names for each monster species and what is pointed out in-universe as a misclassification of Monster Variants (Eg: Black Diablos being a female in heat, rather than a conventional subspecies)
In spanish "Nightshade" for Paolumu is translated "Somnus" xd
So Flying Wyverns USED to be less Polytomic, Espinas was a shell Wyvern like Gravios and the Blos Wyverns but was changed in Sunbreak. Seregios WAS a Psuedo Wyvern that represented a more basal form than Nargacuga and Barioth but that was retconned. Also Tigrex was more basal than other flying Wyverns but less so than Akantor and Ukanlos.
Pseudo Wyvern is a fan made term.
I'm almost certain tetsucabra has shogunate references in it's design, like on the armor set, also on Nerscylla, speaking from my language classes, people tend to, overtime, choose to use the easiest way to say words (if possible) so I'd argue that nerscylla would at some point go from Ner-ski-la to ner-si-la, just from usage alone, I myself have called it ner-si-la ever since I first met it. I've also called ceadeus sea-deus, because if you take deus, from most spanish/portuguese languages, it means god, so sea god, but before that I would call him Ka-e-deus because I thought it was written caedeus.
24:53 basarios spotted 🤯
Elder Dragons like Fatalis and Alatreon were called Black Dragons or Forbidden Dragons and lore-wise they were kept secret, because for some reason the hunters guild wanted it that way...? This was years ago, I think in iceborne when you talk to that beautiful lady third fleet commander about it she says things like "no they don't exist, it's not true" or something. I should've looked into that more. There is something shady going on in the hunter guild and hopefully we'll find out in Wilds.
Basically, Frontier, unless stated otherwise is not considered canon.
I don't think the elder dragon tree will ever get better... only worse. As another commenter pointed out, in world, there is in-game dialogue where they outright admit that "anything that doesn't fit into established classification just gets put in the elder dragon bucket".
The elder dragons are thus treated almost like a standalone type of existence which might not even entirely follow the rules we are used to. I mean, in what world is kirin even closely related to... well... much of anything else in monster hunter...? It seems to me closer in build and movement to a kelbi than any elder dragon, with most elder dragons either being collossal or winged, as far as I know... meanwhile kirin is out here being smaller than any of the large monsters that live in the coral highlands, prancing around like an overgrown kelbi, and being treated like it is more closely related to things like zorah magdoros and kushala daora than to a kelbi, just because it can call down thunderstorms.
Given that one of the things that, as far as I know, is among the slowest and least likely things to change is the number of limbs, unless kirin is hiding some vestigial wings, it seems silly to treat it as having much in common with the majority of the elder dragons, who have 6 limbs (and the rest are whale-like, serpentine, or colossal.)
I suspect that if kirin really is more closely related to other elder dragons than it is to a kelbi, it is most closely related to the mountain dragons like zorah magdoros and such, or maybe the whale-like ones, than it is to any of the winged elder dragons who sport an extra set of limbs...
I thought bazelguese was based on the star bazelguese which exploded hence the explosive theme, this was a rare? event don't know how often we can observe stars explode
Betelgeuse is not dead (yet)
The explosion observed in 2019 was not a supernova, and i'm pretty sure bazelgeuse was designed way earlier than that event so yea
28:37 obscurus spotted 🤯
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Is "exclisios" praying as in 'praying mantis'?
Lagiacrusichthis, i love that
0:49 DON QUIXOTE????
I wonder if Oceaniz is going to see this
I think its called false foot because they still fly
The way you're explaining the diagram is just like my professor 😅. Especially the part where the diagram is wrong ( it hit hard man.....😔)
If you want to take a look at a youtuber who makes videos regarding Physiology and possible evolutionary history, look up Unnatural History Channel. He has a ton of videos regarding tons of monsters, even elder dragons and their possible relation to each other.
Dog Wyvernso tho k is because of their pack behaviors. While some of the others do have pack behavior, the Dog Wyverns are more distinct
Blackboard chalk is limestone chalk isn't it?
It is but that's usually called "creta" i believe (might be completely wrong though)
kinda bothered by the fact that there are no tautonyms in here. Could be specially useful to identify the "base species" from the other species, but alas, the names ain't that badt.
am i the only one who thinks glavenus's epithet should be "ensiferus" ?
That would be a nice name
Finally a 2 hour video i can fall asleep to
Doraemon X Monster Hunter when
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Animal systamatic
Shows a Rock Monster Researching Rock
Dragite raptite and leonite are animals if you believe hard enough
@OutofPlaceZoologist I agree 🐸 👍
Hi, I do not have a channel but I am very intereseted in clasificating mh animals, I also did an outdated mh evolutionary tree for myself, that in many ways differ with capcom one, if you are interested in seeing it, or me helping you out, plase let me know!
Wilds is going to throw a huge monkey wrench into that web of life...
Those designs are really cool but im worried they're kind of lore breaking... like a Mosquito Brute Whyvern and a an Elder Dragon that has literally no draconian features what so ever..
Again though its hard to be bothered by that when they look so freaking cool
I mean, Elder Dragons are just a classification that says "We don't know where these come from". They seem to be entirely unique species that don't share any known ancestor
@tyrusdalet Bioweapons maybe? Isnt that what Fatalis is?
No elders have been revelaed in wilds yet
@@Leyva0scarVRL probably the Nergi of this game.
Like those in-betweener elders
@@hankskorpio5857but what are you talking about, we have no elders revealed for the game yet, and the devs have stated they want to "move away" from elders atleast in this game
I thought Gammoth is a Herbivore?
Same with guys alliek Duramboros and Banbaro
What even is a wyvern
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Buzzel juice
Ahtal-Ka best monster, Chameleos best elder dragon, I'm right, you're wrong, everyone shut up. lol
He’s saying sheet, not sh*t
I thin Rath aureus would be better for gold rathian and Rath argentus for Silver Rathalos
I'm pretty sure they're treated as different sexes of the same subspecies which means they wouldn't have different names.
Me everytime you said "Linnean"
"Lynians"?
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Bah-zell-ghee-us because it feels extravagant and over the top but also flows well, same with Jyuratodus as « Jir-at-oh-dos » like « Jeer-atha-doss »