I think you have missed an important detail. If, after having discovered the Americas, the Romans had indeed decided to go through with colonizing it, they would have worked on building ships that would be much more suited for ocean-sailing than galleys. Which, in turn, would have allowed them to continue the overseas colonization of other lands and become what the Spanish and the Portuguese were in our timeline. That would have changed the fate of the Roman Empire itself dramatically.
Maybe, but probably not by the Old World Romans, who still had their own borders to man and protect (to say nothing of the Antonine Plague and 3rd Century crisis which would still have happened even in this timeline). Probably be more like the British Empire vs the US, where British expansion was limited to the 13 Colonies but the Union had more of a motivation to grow beyond those borders.
It means the Roman Empire would be divided,The Rest of the Roman Empire in eastern Europe and the colonies that really become independent after rome falls
ALPHA GAMER we would get 3 successor states to the Roman Empire. The Western Roman Empire, Eastern Roman Empire, and the colony Roman states that could be called New Rome
@@pergys6991 no it wouldnt,if the western part falls all the same,the colonies become independent but they wouldnt a sucessor state,because not all of rome would fall
Well the main reason Rome didn't conquer Ireland, Scotland, Germany was the lack of profit. The Inca Silver mines and Aztec Gold would make them ripe targets.
@Kyaru Momochi i don't think it was too hard to conquer. it was just that the Romans never sent a force adequate to the threat - it doesn't mean they couldn't. they sometimes crossed the Rhine or intervened in Germanic matters, but you never saw a full-out occupation like in Gaul or Syria. it may seem that the Romans had problems with colonizing Britain or Germania, but in reality those provinces were already held by a minimal force - only showing how much Rome valued them. Places like Parthia or the Cradle of Civilisation are a different matter - there, they were truly defeated.
@@r_xyz000 Lol, no. They even went as far inland as modern day Scottland. Ireland and Britannia just didn't have the resources the Romans needed. It's very well documented.
Its possible a Roman ship did make it to the Americas, but doubt they made it back and died off. Or the ship sank off the coast which would explain the ship of pottery.
@Barbara Debel Esto no es relevante. Los Estados Unidos nunca fueron mencionados en esta conversación. En inglés, el término "Américas" se refiere a todo el nuevo mundo, separado en los continentes de América del Norte y del Sur. No es una referencia a los Estados Unidos.
It would look a lot like our image of God as an old bearded white father figure who hurls thunderbolts when he’s angry. Where do you think Christianity got the concept from?
@evansdrad The celtic nationalist why should they do that 1500 years later. There wer 100% some people before Columbus in America f.e in a mummy was cocaine and tabacco found to plants that only grows in south America
The Romans would probably ignore the place. Rome isnt like the Mongols, and never seeked to directly increase their lands beyond what they can hold. America is too far for trading too.
I don't think this video's saying it would have been a province directly administered by the Senate or Emperor, more like an outpost (like the ones in Farasan or the Canaries) which would grow as more people were drawn to it.
Yes. And brought horses, iron working, and different foodstuffs/religions. So, imagine Hanno moving from the Azores to the shores of the Carribean in around 350 BC. Dozens, even hundreds, of missions follow, with even the Barca's realizing that Spain and North Africa are lost. The Carthaginians would set up a number of port cities, based (like Cartagena) on Utica and Carthage. Trading cities with a large, well defined, central port. When the Romans finally try (sometime around a century and more afterwards), they essentially go northwards, from Britain, then Eire, then Iceland. This route was chosen via storm, as storms blow Roman warships (on their way to and from the British Isles) enough off course to run into New Foundland, Greenland, and the western bits of North America.
In retrospect, it would have been better if Carthage won the Punic wars. They were the primer seafaring civilization. If anyone COULD have reached the new world, it would be them.
Carthage being a mix of Hebrew Egyptian and assyrian/babylonians? Also They actually found roman artifacts in nova scotia off the coast of oak island. So they actually might've tooken that northern route. They left some mounds there, a shipwreck was found and they got a roman sword. Recently on the oak island television show they found what they thought was a medieval crossbow arrow but It was really of roman weapon origin.
in latin that would be Viae Romam mecum patria accipere locum non pertinent, mons mama Occidentem Romania Accipe me patriae itineribus (from google translate ofc)
This is one of the coolest alt histories I've ever seen! Although it may be a bit "out-there", I always LOVE seeing alternate histories where Aboriginal American peoples are more successful in surviving than in our timeline, and/or timelines where Europe has more trouble in it's colonization efforts.
Xenotiic The Natives lost due to weakness. Sorry but they like Neanderthals were doomed when modern humans(Neanderthals in Europe) and When Europeans and Jews came (Native Americans)
The Sunset Mapping What if Monaco won the Enclaved war and annexed San Marino, Vatican City, and Swaziland? What if the US lost the Ango-American War of 2019? What if the EU never colasped? What if India discovered Antartica in 444444?
If Vikings discovered América why the Indians didn't know the smallpox and the European the syphilis till any centuries later? Or the wheel or the horses.
You should make a video "what if the qing dynasty converted to catholicism" they almost did it in the xviii century, there is a letter from the Pope to the emperor Kangxi
i have no doubts that a few roman and other ships came to the Americas via Africa and road the currents by accident. i doubt they could of made it back and ended up dead or becoming part of the locals.
It is unlikely. Even in 1000 the Vikings getting to America was a stretch and they were an ocean-going culture. Any Roman ships that drifted off into the Atlantic would likely have sunk in the harsh sea.
trevor bgs the Vikings landed in Canada tho and Made it back, it could be that the romans already reached it, came close to it but either way they never returned
they just need to go out to sea a little bit along the Atlantic and notice that they are in the n equatorial current and pack lunch for a week or two and follow it. if they don't encounter hurricanes they will land in the Caribbeans/Florida area somewhere safely. if they notice and connect to the gulf stream and go up the american coastline up to Canada and back to Europe. getting to america is the easy part.
Hey, do you take requests? If so, I'd love to see a "What if Europe was a desert" kinda scenario. Or a "What if the Arabian peninsula was more like European climate" or something.
Also, a Romazilian city-state coast would be interesting expansion on this thought as trade routes into the Caribbeans would also venture to the West African coast and possibly further. 😊
It’s weird that many people know back then that yes, there was land further from Northern Africa, but never dared to explore if there was civilisation further beyond... It is also interesting that civilisations before the Romans knew about Asia and some distant kingdoms, but forgotten by the time of the Medieval Ages...
@TheWeeaboo Tbh, conquering MORE land would only accelerate their demise, not make them last longer. Colonizing America is easier because it was relatively uninhabited in some areas, and some groups of natives avoided hostilities. If the colony can last more than 40 years, there was a high chance it would be successful. Rome had millions of people, and could afford to send some to colonize. They couldn't afford to use those people to put down revolts and keep populations from declaring independence though. Taking anything East of the Levant would have made them fall far sooner, instead of prolonging their existence. Also, technically the Byzantines were East Rome; even until Ottoman occupation the Greeks called themselves Romaoi and the Eastern half of the Empire was even formed by a Roman Emperor.
Not really when for most people everything beyond a 10 mile radius of where you were born was far away and most goods from the few traders that went that far would be expensive luxuries. Essentially it would make such knowledge meaningless to everybody, but scholars and traders.
Pretty sure that medieval Europe knew of the east, as the silk road was still active, they just didn't care. Also, gunpowder had to come from the east somehow for Europe to get it from them.
The sassanid Persians who were romes frequent enemies had regular diplomatic relations with the Chinese also the romans and Chinese were well aware of each others existence, as were the romans of India
Great and thought-provoking video! Reminded me about my own video about 'What if the Aztecs hadn't been conquered by Spain'! I love thinking about these multiple scenarios!
I got one for ya. What if a tribe of Native Americans (Maya, Aztecs, Choctaw, whoever) discovered the Old World first? More specifically, Europe, Africa, or the Asian coast.
enOmodnaRehT The Germanics and Celtics and Slavics (they had horses and chariots) and Romans and Greeks. So the Natives would be unable to invade so trade.
They got CLOSE. Montezuma spoke of an unknown world filled with foreigners and different gods to Cortes, but those were just rumors to his people. Those are speculations made by Montezuma though.
I think Antoninus Pius would make more sense to explore the Americas than Hadrian; Hadrian was kinda conservative in how he would expand Rome. He preferred keeping it at status quo equilibrium and going to the Americas would be a quite radical move.
Antoninus Pius was the king of the status quo, if any Nervan emperor would sanction crazy explorations like this it would be Trajan or Commodus (just for shits and giggles)
Antonius Pius was a conservative old man. I doubt he would have launched an expedition. I agree with classicMaxReviews, I could see Trajan doing this, since he wanted to be like Alexander, or an immature brat like Commodus. Hadrian was an isolationist so that leaves him out. Marcus Aurelius, maybe
Hadrian would never ever send expeditions to south america. But if Tragan had discovered the Americas he may have attempted to colonize here. Hadrian actually abandoned some of the territories won by Tragan (who was his predecessor).
Irv in all fairness, Hadrian was right to abandon Trajans conquests in Arabia, the land had no real economic or strategic value, was not readily defensible, and he felt that the Romans had kicked the crap out the Parthians enough to be able to quit while they were ahead.
Just for context in the 1500s the voyage from Spain to South America took about ~50 days. A the height of the roman empire 40 days was the length of a voyage from Rome to Alexandria in Egypt, using the fastest ship. Even if the romans somehow managed to discover America they wouldn't have been able to do anything.
@@SirAdrian87 He could have gotten that number from several contemporary sources, but he could have also gotten it with some basic math. The Roman trireme was capable of up to 7 knots under sail and Alexandria was between 1,300 and 1,400 miles by sea depending on your route. Unless you stop along the way or have unfavorable wind, that comes to between 6 and 8 days at sea.
@@paladion1181 A trireme is a military vessel. And it could not sustain 7 knots. 7 knots was the ramming speed. After a half hour of that your crew has to rest. Anyway what you are saying is like saying you can sail in a couple of days around the world because Le Terrible can do it.
In the beginning you said the Natives lacked knowledge of the wheel. This is a common myth that is now refuted by archeology. They didn’t lack the wheel, because they hauled carts by hand, which had two wheels. Also, the natives without horses or cattle would have a lesser use of the wheel. The incans used the wheel to haul stone, and the Aztecs and Mayans used the wheel to haul gold.
It depends on what group of "natives" your talking about. Some native civilizations like the ones you mentioned were pretty advanced and they certainly understood the wheel, but hunter gather tribes probably didn't .
Ive always wondered what North America would be like if it developed in a same say as Europe and Asia. What if they discovered the same technologies and idealologies. How would North America develop as they went through the same time periods as europe such as the classical period and the middle ages. How would the land look like in lets say the medieval ages.
Broadly similar as human nature is human nature the world over. The same greed, pride, ambition & selfishness that leads to wars, empires & technological advancements crushing the people in its wake.
I have to disagree on big greco-roman pagan communities surviving in the roman colonies in America. I think that, if the first mass migration of colonists took place during the militar anarchy, the majority of them would have been christian, as it was in that period that the mass persecution of Christians really started. Christians would look for a place in wich they can practise their religion without being arrested, tortured or killed, and a big unsettled land on the other side of the ocean, hardly reachable from the political authorities of the motherland, would be the safest place for them. So i think the roman colonies in America would end up being majority christian in this timeline, as the Christian settlers could have easily prevailed over the possible pagan settlements. But I also think that a mass migrarion of Christians to the new world (maybe encouraged by some emperors, who could have been happy to see what they saw as a strange and dangerous sect leaving the Empire forever ) could have made the growth of Christianity in Europe slower, and so in this timeline Europe could have remained pagan for longer (even today there could be some pagan residues in some european regions ) or even been converted to another religion like Mithraism, Manichaeism or the Sol Invictus worship. If this was the case, I expect some event of our history (for example the downfall of the Roman Empire and the birth and expansion of Islam ) being quite different in this timeline, thus resulting in a world completely unrecognizable from the one of our timeline.
Lyo Nard Yeah, you are probably right, but I gotta say that the first Christians where a complete different type of Christians than the ones of today They never really cared about being persecuted, we literally have only 2 events in early Christian history of groups of Christians that escaped the Roman Empire for outside states, and only one succeeded at creating a strong Christian state outside the traditional Roman borders (Ethiopia), the other basically remained a minority, even tho highly influential, never outnumbering the local faith (the Indian Syriac Oriental Orthodox church). So, my idea is that the whole of the Roman empire, comprised the American colonies, would still be Christianised, just maybe a few decades slower, especially in the rural areas of the American colonies, but still at the end the whole empire would end up Christian. Anyway, cheers my compatriot.
This actually is a super badass concept. I might try to translate this into a tabletop wargame campaign. I want to see this world explored further. Maybe a speculation on what each region you showed at the end would be like?
2:38 MALI LES GOOO On a side note, can you do a video on this? I am sure many people would like to know about the expedition and what would happen if It succeeded.
Would love to see a Part 2 - discussing the Aztec - Roman interaction and what you think the West coast would look like (my guess is the Aztecs would use Roman boat / iron / horse technology to conquer it while either cooperating with Rome or fighting them.)
Prussia would still be the dominant force in northern Germany while Austria would be dominant in the south but it's unlikely that the remaining independent states would do much as they would be forced to be pro-Prussian or pro-Austrian causing another Austro-Prussian war in which central European geography heavily favours Prussia due to the flat ground and that the bulk of the Austrian forces would have to come over the mountains. In short, Germany would simply unite later.
Even after their horrific defeat in the Napoleonic wars, Prussia was still the main German power. So it would have taken them longer to unite Germany. German unification was something desired by many after the Napoleonic wars, so it would unite sooner or later. If the delay is long enough, Austria-Hungary collapses and then it isn't such a threat anymore. Prussia would then even incorporate Austria into Germany.
Estex The status quo would break at some point, either as Prussia vanishes, or when Austria-Hungary collapses. Austria alone never was strong enough to rule over all of Germany and without their empire there is no way they could withstand Prussia. If Prussia vanishes however, either by losing another rebellion against Napoleon, or the German war for control over the German Union, Austria would eventually reform all of Germany to be ruled under them, maybe even without the eastern parts of Prussia, as they didn't belong to the German union. The Prussian-Austrian-Dualism was shaped by the seven years war, if not earlier, and was majorly intensified after the Napoleonic wars. That has to resolve somehow, the only way this is not a factor, is if you basically make one if them irrelevant for all of history.
Estex Well, Serbian Nationalism still would have been prevalent. The assassination of Franz Ferdinand could still have happened, as well as some other great war, where Austria-Hungary is beaten up and then dissolved. Also fedelarization could have caused a Hungarian uprising. If you look at the Ottoman Empire and how it got trashed by 4 small Balkan countries, then just imagine the same, but with Austria. Austria did poorly in WWI, that is no secret and there is little to no reason, why they would do better. Maybe if they actually managed to unify Germany under their rule, but even then, they would lack Prussian militarism, which led to Germany being so strong during WWI and carrying the whole faction against the odds for four years. Another point in history, where the whole empire could actually collapse is the unification of Germany. An Austria-Hungary with the whole of Germany to it, shifts the balance of power massively, so a coalition could form. Great-Britain was very passionate about the balance of power in Europe, France is of course against the unification of their enemies to the east and Russia wanted to gain influence in the Balkans. If Prussia is still around, they would try to cecede or if they are still independent, they would attack Austria for revenge. Balkan Entente might join the coalition too.
There is actually a trilogy book series on this subject. "Eagle in Exile" by Alan Smale is the first one. Set in 1100-1200 AD, the roman empire still exists and sends a legion to North America. I'm on the final book and its truly a fascinating topic.
The assumption that Rome discovers America would still be problematic during the era of the Baracks Emperors. The Roman Colonies would be abandoned, at least until Diocletian. Recovering lost territory was marginally successful under Justinian, but even Justinian went no further than Italy and Spain, leaving England and France alone. Clearly, though Justinian would have been the best chance to recover lost American Colonies, they would still be out of reach.
8:00 Rome would have enslaved to some extent yes but if the inhabitants were truly pacifistic the Romans would have a hard time justifying any conquests. More likely there would be trading relationships and villages would become more intertwined with the Roman cities, it's worth noting that Roman administration was not as pervasive as one might think and most of the small settlements in the empire were left to handle their own affairs.
True, Roman officials would usually only maintain order, trade and taxes in the provinces while leaving locals handle their own laws and religion. Many non Romans were happy to be part of the Empire as it offered stability, trade and protection. Civil wars, although destructive in some regards, would usually not affect provincial civilians and would concern the Roman elites fighting for control.
If romans discovered America, the Empire would survive here and didn't suffer the medieval dark age decay. The art, philosophy and science would be moved to Americas and continued to develop . We would be centuries ahead.
@Teringventje Europe wouldn’t match Rome until the Renaissance overall speaking and until recent centuries in terms of overall health and wealth per capita.
Buildingblox Anything care to explain your thinking? (I’m well aware this was months ago but would still like to either engage in debate or understand why you feel this way)
6:34 The pagans of Rome would NEVER go through the kind of hardship the Christians did to worship. The pagans of had as much devotion to their gods and religion as the people of today have towards their favorite sports team.
One possibility is of Osmanli family adopting Orthodoxy and Greek culture, so Byzantium would be rejuvenated by the influx of military and economic technologies from the Turks and would be a superpower again under the Osmanli emperors. There would be no Turkey nor Greece, but a Greco-Turk blend for both countries.
I imagine the "why" would be very similar to Columbus' expedition, being an easier way to the Orient rather than (in Rome's time) The Silk Road. If Rome followed the same globe design as kingdoms and empires to come, probably composing a 'world map' by combining several maps from far flung cultures with their own, they would probably have the same thought of "Just sail West, end up in the East; easy." Though, like mentioned in the video, Rome was never a very large sea faring culture beyond the Med, and maybe along the Red Sea and Arabian Peninsula. The only reason I see the why I proposed happening is if a neighboring empire/kingdom decided to restrict access or heavily tax Roman merchants on the silk road. Of course, given Roman pragmatism, they would more likely go for a land war rather than innovate a ocean worthy ship.
Certain mesoamerican cultures mixed with Roman cultures would be…scary. I don’t wanna meet an Aztec Jaguar warrior in lorica segmentata wielding a spatha.
The Basques in the late mideval era were excellent whalers, providing Europe with whale oil and blubber. They certainly were capable, too, as Basque fishermen were fishing off the grand banks region off the coast of Massachusetts in the mid 1500s. The question is did they get there any earlier.
Orland Mapper what if Brandenburg and prussia never unifyed? What if The Hanseatic league never lost its influence and strength? What if Mecklenburg unifyed, and defeated Denmark in the 1200s?
My issue is with Vikings in New England, it's hard to express just how swampy and difficult the land is in Massachusetts, and all the northern states in the region are still sparsely populated and highly rural because it's so mountainous and rocky. The Vikings never had the societal or political pressures to settle and work that land like the 16th century puritans did. The fact that the Wampanoag still persist to this day despite the region being one of the first colonized speaks to the strength of their culture and knowledge of the region, something Celts or other iron age civilizations would struggle against immensely without gunpowder
All problems would be solved, because, Hollywood cretins that believe Human Nature can be "improved", if only they find the Next Big Fad. In between drug abuse.
you would end up with a situation in which Europeans fight more amongst each other slowing colonization in the 19th century but this would make WW1 more like WW2 as the constant fighting with an enemy that is at the same technological level would mean that the suicidal tactics of the first world war would have been abandoned long before. Also, these constant wars would fule greater technological advancement but this would be negligible. Overall since Europe isn't devastated by two massive wars the European empires would remain strong in the modern day while America would remain somewhat isolationist as it wouldn't be able to expand its influence outside of its own borders. Germany would still unite but much later and thus would more likely be subject to the same political and cultural revolutions that happened in the 19th century meaning that Germany itself would be less authoritarian but still more than the rest of Europe because of Prussia. Also, no soviet union as since Russia is less likely to be devastated to the extent that it was in WW1 preventing the Bolsheviks from gaining power. Same goes for China with the nationalist winning against the Qing after a possible short-lived civil war. So yeah things are actually a lot better-ish, mostly because of no communism of Fascism, but imperialism would continue to the modern day.
Portugal would probably become the strongest empire in the world, surpassing even England. I'm not sure if I can explain why though, my English isn't that good.
I like the idea that Rome collapses anyways and people forget about Roman history in Europe but in the Americas the Romans press onwards with expansion and basically keep it alive and well. Then, when the Europeans come back in the late 1400s, instead of meeting primitive hunter/gatherer tribes they meet a mix of Native American + Roman legions defending their coasts.
@@mr.eggplant866 Romans weren't the "original Latins," they were a single tribe within the wider Latin group. Like how in Ancient Greece Dorians were a tribe of Greeks
true, and so people should stop calling central and south Americans, Latinos. they aren't, it's an insult to the people of Latium. It's Cultural appropriation!
A Spaniard, Portuguese, or an Italian are so incredibly different from how a Roman would be that it wouldn't be accurate to call them the same. It would be like if I, an American, wandered up to a German guy and said "Bro, my great-grandpa was German in Germany, we're the same!" Hell, the same can even be said for different eras of Rome. If a Roman from the time of Justinian was talking to a Roman under Augustus, they would be vastly different in culture and probably even language.
ele fala que nosso governo tenta esconder o fato tipo uma teoria cospiratoria. coitado ele nao conhece o nosso governo rsrs. eles nao teriam essa capacidade mental toda. nao conseguem nem esconder os escandalos de corrupção
Well, knowing how the romans generally act in those situations (discover new land, learn about new land by the indigenous people, give it a Latinised version of the indigenous name of it) I would say they would take the indigenous name of the Amazon Forest (Marajó) and modify it into something like Maraiora/Maraia for the southern colony. About the Caribbean colony, well, the first indigenous population they would meet would be the Caribs, so unfortunately the name would still probably be something like Cariba/Caraiba, exept maybe Cuba with would (maybe) be named after the Taino people, so something like Taina. (I don't know actually, the Carib migration might not have even started at Roman times so the whole Caribbean archipelago might have been inhabited by Tainos, so the whole name might be Taina islands or something) And of course, they would do the same with the Mississippian, Mesoamerican and Andean states to which they would trade/make war with. Still, take everything with a grain of salt. Oh, and if you wanted to know how they would name the entire continent of the Americas, the simply wouldn't. The two opposing colony would make up the idea of two different continents, more like in the Spanish language where South and North America are threated as two different things than in English where they are considered a single continent (or was it the opposite? Dunno I don't have either Spanish or English as a mother tongue).
Anyway, I made a short translation of some possible Roman names of some American regions, have fun pronuncing them: Tainae Insulae = Carribbean Islands Maraia Terrae = the Brazilian Coast Irocois Foederis = Iroquois League Tivanachiae Imperium = Tiwanaku Empire (Andes region) Teotici Imperium = Tehotiwa Empire (Mexico region) Misisibis Civitates = Mississippian States Barbari Vaga= the Brazilian horse nomads Omaghi Regnum = the Amazon Kingdom Abae Terrae = All the tribal lands south of the Brazilian Colony and Ovest of the Tiwanaku Empire, from the original name of the Guarani tribes, the ones the Romans would enter in contact with (basically Patagonia)
Luis Nemecio Hahah Yeah actually I did something like this once while playing EU4, with a colony in western Venezuela/Northern Brazil region called Provinciae Guiane and another one in the Caribbeans + Florida called Provinciae Caraibe
Barbara Debel Well, first of all calm down, I may cannot speak Spanish but I understand it without problems, second I am from Europe, so I don't give a fuck about some stupid discussion between the Spanish speaking Americans and the English speaking ones, third in my language is both correct to say "the two American Continents" and "the American Continent", also the North-South American continents division is based principally on geological and biological (both flora and fauna are completely different) So, I think that the North-South division is right, becouse if not than the Continents of Asia and Oceania should be considered the same thing, and that would be stupid.
Barbara Debel So, let me clear something to you. The completely geography-based subdivision of the Continents is never used and the traditional meaning of "continent" is not used anymore. Why? Becouse if we do that than there are only two continents, the Old World and the New World. The mere idea of our continents is abstract, "Europe" is a giant peninsula of Asia, not a continent, but we treat it like it is becouse they have nothing to do with eachother. Of course I don't have to explain to you that the Suez canal is man-made, but still everyone considers it the border between Africa and Asia, so I don't understand, what is the problem in using the Panama canal as the border between North America and South America? Both continents are part of different tectonic plates and they used to be two different landmasses, so personally I think that the Americas are two different continents. About the USA taking the name of the whole continent for themselves, I can kinda understand the reason of the anger from the "Non-American Americans" but I guess, when you consider that their nation was the first American one to gain indipendence, it kinda makes sense that they never cared about creating a name for themselves, even tho now that they are not the only ones it would be a good thing for them to find a new name for their state.
You know what, there is a large community in Discord that does Server RPs. This is becoming a new RP starting this. This is too based and badass not to be turned into one and you explained it well. I will definitely be citing you as the mastermind behind the concept. The question now is why in the world does UA-cam recommend this to me 3 years after it was made, lol.
A whole new meaning for "Latin America"
ROFL, brilliant mate.
Actually no, because today's latin america is in someway still directly tied to the roman empire
Rodrigo Estrela So is all of western europe...
Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin yeah, i know
Bravo. I speak spanish which is just Latin adapted to the XV century
I think you have missed an important detail. If, after having discovered the Americas, the Romans had indeed decided to go through with colonizing it, they would have worked on building ships that would be much more suited for ocean-sailing than galleys. Which, in turn, would have allowed them to continue the overseas colonization of other lands and become what the Spanish and the Portuguese were in our timeline. That would have changed the fate of the Roman Empire itself dramatically.
Maybe, but probably not by the Old World Romans, who still had their own borders to man and protect (to say nothing of the Antonine Plague and 3rd Century crisis which would still have happened even in this timeline). Probably be more like the British Empire vs the US, where British expansion was limited to the 13 Colonies but the Union had more of a motivation to grow beyond those borders.
Aslong they get a dude with an illness and make him.sneeze on a native, it should be doable
It means the Roman Empire would be divided,The Rest of the Roman Empire in eastern Europe and the colonies that really become independent after rome falls
ALPHA GAMER we would get 3 successor states to the Roman Empire. The Western Roman Empire, Eastern Roman Empire, and the colony Roman states that could be called New Rome
@@pergys6991 no it wouldnt,if the western part falls all the same,the colonies become independent but they wouldnt a sucessor state,because not all of rome would fall
There's a mod for EU4 called "Third Odyssey: Back to the Motherland" where byzantines escape to America following the fall of Constantinople.
I love that mod
Sadly it takes place 1200 years too late as compared to this video :( still an awesome mod.
How can I get it
NO NO as far as I’m aware it’s not up to date
It's more correct to play extended timeline mod, choose the earliest date and then get exploration ideas
Well the main reason Rome didn't conquer Ireland, Scotland, Germany was the lack of profit. The Inca Silver mines and Aztec Gold would make them ripe targets.
The cold, it is necesary too much alcohol to invernate in the dark and cold North.
@Kyaru Momochi i don't think it was too hard to conquer. it was just that the Romans never sent a force adequate to the threat - it doesn't mean they couldn't. they sometimes crossed the Rhine or intervened in Germanic matters, but you never saw a full-out occupation like in Gaul or Syria. it may seem that the Romans had problems with colonizing Britain or Germania, but in reality those provinces were already held by a minimal force - only showing how much Rome valued them.
Places like Parthia or the Cradle of Civilisation are a different matter - there, they were truly defeated.
Nah they were just too scared of us big blue painted boys
@@r_xyz000 Lol, no. They even went as far inland as modern day Scottland. Ireland and Britannia just didn't have the resources the Romans needed. It's very well documented.
@@evertjan9479 He's clearly joking dude. No one says "us big blue painted boys" Seriously.
“Irish crusaders would invade New England”
Keep talking...
I am sensing... butthurt... Ok, nevermind. England awaits! *DEVS VVLT!*
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Honestly, this basically happened in our own timeline. The 1849 Potato Crusaders.
@@DillonRust they weren't crusaders
Detroits roads would better
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Who how hard is Grammer in your school
Country roads would be better
The whole continent would've improved 100%
Normieus Maximus
Its possible a Roman ship did make it to the Americas, but doubt they made it back and died off. Or the ship sank off the coast which would explain the ship of pottery.
Barbara Debel shut up, man.
In Spanish, North and south America is one continent. In English, it's two continents
@Barbara Debel En ingles son dos continentes, dividida en Panama.
@Barbara Debel Esto no es relevante. Los Estados Unidos nunca fueron mencionados en esta conversación. En inglés, el término "Américas" se refiere a todo el nuevo mundo, separado en los continentes de América del Norte y del Sur. No es una referencia a los Estados Unidos.
@Barbara Debel Eso no es cierto, el término es mucho más antiguo que eso. No veo cómo esto importa. Es solo un nombre.
Romans: *find the Americas*
Whatifalthist: *You're going to Brazil*
@PessiOpt 9 *Basilisksylvania
Terrae Brasilia, this name appear in many formal Portuguese letters from the XVI century
Yes ಡ ͜ ʖ ಡ
Greetings from Argentina, or as I would call it from now, "Iupiterra".
... Ave, Deus Sol Invictus, Heretic.
Imperio Argentino
I just imagine a massive statue of Jupiter towering over that mountain watching over his people instead of Christ. How badass would that be?
Very good!
I rather like that idea.
It would look a lot like our image of God as an old bearded white father figure who hurls thunderbolts when he’s angry. Where do you think Christianity got the concept from?
@@connerclark3678 from the Jewish God lol
@@kaiser4883 that's highly improbable. There's a lot to say about Jupiter having been a template for the medieval Christian god
There was also a Roman sword recently found in Canada, and it’s authentic. No one knows how it got there.
@evansdrad The celtic nationalist why should they do that 1500 years later. There wer 100% some people before Columbus in America f.e in a mummy was cocaine and tabacco found to plants that only grows in south America
@@TheYolo20 What drugs were you on when you made this comment?.
@@thenuttyknight1188 explain y
@@TheYolo20 "mummy was cocaine and tobacco"
@@thenuttyknight1188 and?
The Romans would probably ignore the place. Rome isnt like the Mongols, and never seeked to directly increase their lands beyond what they can hold. America is too far for trading too.
You heard it here first, the Romans didn’t like conquering lands that were pointless.
@Cannabis Dreamswtf
@Cannabis Dreams
really amazing
good to shut the Chinese mouth
I'm already tired of reading in any video about European history them the sayng shit about china be the most advanced civilization and supreme race
I don't think this video's saying it would have been a province directly administered by the Senate or Emperor, more like an outpost (like the ones in Farasan or the Canaries) which would grow as more people were drawn to it.
If the Romans discovered America, it was because Carthage had fled there, first.
and...
by the time the romans arrive carthage would have made friends with the natives...
Yes. And brought horses, iron working, and different foodstuffs/religions. So, imagine Hanno moving from the Azores to the shores of the Carribean in around 350 BC. Dozens, even hundreds, of missions follow, with even the Barca's realizing that Spain and North Africa are lost.
The Carthaginians would set up a number of port cities, based (like Cartagena) on Utica and Carthage. Trading cities with a large, well defined, central port.
When the Romans finally try (sometime around a century and more afterwards), they essentially go northwards, from Britain, then Eire, then Iceland. This route was chosen via storm, as storms blow Roman warships (on their way to and from the British Isles) enough off course to run into New Foundland, Greenland, and the western bits of North America.
Carthago delenda est
In retrospect, it would have been better if Carthage won the Punic wars. They were the primer seafaring civilization. If anyone COULD have reached the new world, it would be them.
Carthage being a mix of Hebrew Egyptian and assyrian/babylonians? Also They actually found roman artifacts in nova scotia off the coast of oak island. So they actually might've tooken that northern route. They left some mounds there, a shipwreck was found and they got a roman sword. Recently on the oak island television show they found what they thought was a medieval crossbow arrow but It was really of roman weapon origin.
"Country roads take me Rome to the place I belong, West Romania mountain mama
Take me home, country roads" 🎼🎼🎶
Joan Denvs
Beautiful
at least those country roads would be really good
in latin that would be
Viae Romam mecum patria accipere locum non pertinent, mons mama Occidentem Romania
Accipe me patriae itineribus
(from google translate ofc)
I've got to say, this sounds like a pretty cool time line. I'm going to have to figure out mulitverse travel.
What IF America never discovered the Moon?😮
This is one of the coolest alt histories I've ever seen! Although it may be a bit "out-there", I always LOVE seeing alternate histories where Aboriginal American peoples are more successful in surviving than in our timeline, and/or timelines where Europe has more trouble in it's colonization efforts.
Xenotiic
The Natives lost due to weakness.
Sorry but they like Neanderthals were doomed when modern humans(Neanderthals in Europe) and When Europeans and Jews came (Native Americans)
why?
See if romans discovered steam engine is better.
What if the USA discovered America?
What if Liberia won WWI
what if The Holy Empire of South Sudan won WW420
The Sunset Mapping What if Monaco won the Enclaved war and annexed San Marino, Vatican City, and Swaziland?
What if the US lost the Ango-American War of 2019?
What if the EU never colasped?
What if India discovered Antartica in 444444?
Stoßtruppen What if Canada never invade Greenland?
What if Canada never invaded Alaska?
What if Russia and Canada never became allies?
kenny i want some of your drugs
0:59
"But Columbus didn't discover America, the vikings did."
--Oversimplified 2018
If only the Vikings had a printing press to spread the knowledge of their discovery
If Vikings discovered América why the Indians didn't know the smallpox and the European the syphilis till any centuries later? Or the wheel or the horses.
@@morillosky because the vikings didnt really settle long-term or come into contact with large groups
@@steamvyrus6249 i think they settled in modern day canada correct me if i'm wrong
@@23ug0wmve6 Even so it likely wasnt in significant enough populations to have much impact
You should make a video "what if the qing dynasty converted to catholicism" they almost did it in the xviii century, there is a letter from the Pope to the emperor Kangxi
XVIII?
Mr. Bones The Second I believe that’s the 18th century
@@mirthless5603 Roman Numerial X = 10 V = 5 I = 1 so XVIII = 10 + 5 + 1 + 1 + 1
They should have. China would be better off.
@NATAN 23 kinda racist
In fairness to rio, the jesus statue is pretty cool.
However imagine the jesus statue with a roman style city around it.
the statue is awesome, i love Jesus what a cool guy :)
Rio is a roman style city as urban regulations of the iberians empires were largely based on roman standards
America: I’m Roma now
Roman: Roman is Roman he stole it
Ancient Roman looking at American road.: "Oh look at that.. They are trying to out do us.. Ha.. Cute!"
i have no doubts that a few roman and other ships came to the Americas via Africa and road the currents by accident. i doubt they could of made it back and ended up dead or becoming part of the locals.
yea
It is unlikely. Even in 1000 the Vikings getting to America was a stretch and they were an ocean-going culture. Any Roman ships that drifted off into the Atlantic would likely have sunk in the harsh sea.
trevor bgs the Vikings landed in Canada tho and Made it back, it could be that the romans already reached it, came close to it but either way they never returned
they just need to go out to sea a little bit along the Atlantic and notice that they are in the n equatorial current and pack lunch for a week or two and follow it. if they don't encounter hurricanes they will land in the Caribbeans/Florida area somewhere safely. if they notice and connect to the gulf stream and go up the american coastline up to Canada and back to Europe. getting to america is the easy part.
They never made it back and their settlements were never successful with them either dying out or joining the Native Tribes.
Hey, do you take requests? If so, I'd love to see a "What if Europe was a desert" kinda scenario. Or a "What if the Arabian peninsula was more like European climate" or something.
2:28 60% of the things that the Vikings discover was randomly found (Iceland 2 times before it was done intensionally actually)
"So there I was, minding my own business, out on a regular trade / fishing trip, and this storm blows up *outta nowhere* right?"
@From the Soil oh
Finally! Proper latin america!
@DA BOSS let me know when you back bra.
@J S bro, you ok?
magic8 Ok, we gonna wait for you.
Still waiting
@magic8 you back?
Interesting scenario. 😊 I love the nomadic horse tribe alternative! Also, the jungle deceases are something I never thought about before.
Also, a Romazilian city-state coast would be interesting expansion on this thought as trade routes into the Caribbeans would also venture to the West African coast and possibly further. 😊
It’s weird that many people know back then that yes, there was land further from Northern Africa, but never dared to explore if there was civilisation further beyond...
It is also interesting that civilisations before the Romans knew about Asia and some distant kingdoms, but forgotten by the time of the Medieval Ages...
@TheWeeaboo
Tbh, conquering MORE land would only accelerate their demise, not make them last longer. Colonizing America is easier because it was relatively uninhabited in some areas, and some groups of natives avoided hostilities. If the colony can last more than 40 years, there was a high chance it would be successful. Rome had millions of people, and could afford to send some to colonize. They couldn't afford to use those people to put down revolts and keep populations from declaring independence though.
Taking anything East of the Levant would have made them fall far sooner, instead of prolonging their existence.
Also, technically the Byzantines were East Rome; even until Ottoman occupation the Greeks called themselves Romaoi and the Eastern half of the Empire was even formed by a Roman Emperor.
Not really when for most people everything beyond a 10 mile radius of where you were born was far away and most goods from the few traders that went that far would be expensive luxuries. Essentially it would make such knowledge meaningless to everybody, but scholars and traders.
Pretty sure that medieval Europe knew of the east, as the silk road was still active, they just didn't care. Also, gunpowder had to come from the east somehow for Europe to get it from them.
The sassanid Persians who were romes frequent enemies had regular diplomatic relations with the Chinese also the romans and Chinese were well aware of each others existence, as were the romans of India
Great and thought-provoking video! Reminded me about my own video about 'What if the Aztecs hadn't been conquered by Spain'! I love thinking about these multiple scenarios!
You make serious and accurate history breakdown through the highest speculative "what if". That's amazing, best compliments.
What if China collapsed Similar to Rome?
to be fair, it kind of did numerous times but always fused back together.
SkyTech RTS Of course, but I'm wondering what if the chinese never reunified and Each Of the various territories went their own paths?
Geography didnt permit Chinese culture to fragment.
Matt 1326 (SPOILER ALERT) Darth Plagueis died of ligma
It did many times. Warlords just kept wanting go unify it similar to how mussolini wanted to recreate the roman empire in ww2.
I got one for ya. What if a tribe of Native Americans (Maya, Aztecs, Choctaw, whoever) discovered the Old World first? More specifically, Europe, Africa, or the Asian coast.
enOmodnaRehT
The Germanics and Celtics and Slavics (they had horses and chariots) and Romans and Greeks.
So the Natives would be unable to invade so trade.
Sono it would be hard to invade lol..their technology was awful in 1500...what about any sooner than that :(
This is somewhat paradoxical they didn't really have ships they had canoes at best there technology was just so little.
Sono
I think you're accusing a bit Christianity of Cortez's crimes.
They got CLOSE. Montezuma spoke of an unknown world filled with foreigners and different gods to Cortes, but those were just rumors to his people.
Those are speculations made by Montezuma though.
I think Antoninus Pius would make more sense to explore the Americas than Hadrian; Hadrian was kinda conservative in how he would expand Rome. He preferred keeping it at status quo equilibrium and going to the Americas would be a quite radical move.
Antoninus Pius was the king of the status quo, if any Nervan emperor would sanction crazy explorations like this it would be Trajan or Commodus (just for shits and giggles)
Antonius Pius was a conservative old man. I doubt he would have launched an expedition. I agree with classicMaxReviews, I could see Trajan doing this, since he wanted to be like Alexander, or an immature brat like Commodus. Hadrian was an isolationist so that leaves him out. Marcus Aurelius, maybe
Hadrian would never ever send expeditions to south america. But if Tragan had discovered the Americas he may have attempted to colonize here. Hadrian actually abandoned some of the territories won by Tragan (who was his predecessor).
Non serice dico
Irv in all fairness, Hadrian was right to abandon Trajans conquests in Arabia, the land had no real economic or strategic value, was not readily defensible, and he felt that the Romans had kicked the crap out the Parthians enough to be able to quit while they were ahead.
Just for context in the 1500s the voyage from Spain to South America took about ~50 days. A the height of the roman empire 40 days was the length of a voyage from Rome to Alexandria in Egypt, using the fastest ship. Even if the romans somehow managed to discover America they wouldn't have been able to do anything.
Sir Adrian That’s why he said they would be barely connected to Rome.
that's wrong. a voyage from rome to alexandria took about 7 days.
@@AleXcsGaming Where did you get that number from?
@@SirAdrian87 He could have gotten that number from several contemporary sources, but he could have also gotten it with some basic math. The Roman trireme was capable of up to 7 knots under sail and Alexandria was between 1,300 and 1,400 miles by sea depending on your route. Unless you stop along the way or have unfavorable wind, that comes to between 6 and 8 days at sea.
@@paladion1181 A trireme is a military vessel. And it could not sustain 7 knots. 7 knots was the ramming speed. After a half hour of that your crew has to rest. Anyway what you are saying is like saying you can sail in a couple of days around the world because Le Terrible can do it.
In the beginning you said the Natives lacked knowledge of the wheel. This is a common myth that is now refuted by archeology. They didn’t lack the wheel, because they hauled carts by hand, which had two wheels.
Also, the natives without horses or cattle would have a lesser use of the wheel. The incans used the wheel to haul stone, and the Aztecs and Mayans used the wheel to haul gold.
It depends on what group of "natives" your talking about. Some native civilizations like the ones you mentioned were pretty advanced and they certainly understood the wheel, but hunter gather tribes probably didn't .
I wonder what the dynamic would be between this Super Western Roman Empire and the Eastern Roman Empire
So pratically:"what doesnt kill them only makes them stronger.
Expect tehy died in our timeline
Please remake the Phoenician video. It's one of my favorite early ones, but it's just so short. I feel like there's so much more to tap into there.
What if Thanos announced Despacito 2 electric boogaloo? 🔥🔥🔥💯
2:20
actually we still havent found the source of the nile
the romans got stuck in massive swamps and couldn’t go any further
Ive always wondered what North America would be like if it developed in a same say as Europe and Asia. What if they discovered the same technologies and idealologies. How would North America develop as they went through the same time periods as europe such as the classical period and the middle ages. How would the land look like in lets say the medieval ages.
Broadly similar as human nature is human nature the world over. The same greed, pride, ambition & selfishness that leads to wars, empires & technological advancements crushing the people in its wake.
Most of them would still die at the moment they discover europe and africa, because of deasese
Lots of abandoned castles(or whatever fortifications) in the Great Lakes region.
@@grimjowjaggerjak most of the diseases were from the middle ages tho, from china
Wow nice video, I really like these Colonization Alternate Histories
An interesting "What if" video Buddy. Thanks!
Truly enjoyed this video. Thanks!
This needs to become a book!
I have to disagree on big greco-roman pagan communities surviving in the roman colonies in America. I think that, if the first mass migration of colonists took place during the militar anarchy, the majority of them would have been christian, as it was in that period that the mass persecution of Christians really started. Christians would look for a place in wich they can practise their religion without being arrested, tortured or killed, and a big unsettled land on the other side of the ocean, hardly reachable from the political authorities of the motherland, would be the safest place for them. So i think the roman colonies in America would end up being majority christian in this timeline, as the Christian settlers could have easily prevailed over the possible pagan settlements. But I also think that a mass migrarion of Christians to the new world (maybe encouraged by some emperors, who could have been happy to see what they saw as a strange and dangerous sect leaving the Empire forever ) could have made the growth of Christianity in Europe slower, and so in this timeline Europe could have remained pagan for longer (even today there could be some pagan residues in some european regions ) or even been converted to another religion like Mithraism, Manichaeism or the Sol Invictus worship. If this was the case, I expect some event of our history (for example the downfall of the Roman Empire and the birth and expansion of Islam ) being quite different in this timeline, thus resulting in a world completely unrecognizable from the one of our timeline.
Sorry if I made mistakes but English is not my first language
Anyway, I really appreciate your work, you are one of my favourites (if not my favourite ) alternate historians on UA-cam. Greetings from Italy!
Lyo Nard
What if Persia and Pakistan and India united and became Allies ?
Lyo Nard
Yeah, you are probably right, but I gotta say that the first Christians where a complete different type of Christians than the ones of today
They never really cared about being persecuted, we literally have only 2 events in early Christian history of groups of Christians that escaped the Roman Empire for outside states, and only one succeeded at creating a strong Christian state outside the traditional Roman borders (Ethiopia), the other basically remained a minority, even tho highly influential, never outnumbering the local faith (the Indian Syriac Oriental Orthodox church).
So, my idea is that the whole of the Roman empire, comprised the American colonies, would still be Christianised, just maybe a few decades slower, especially in the rural areas of the American colonies, but still at the end the whole empire would end up Christian.
Anyway, cheers my compatriot.
Connor _ Probably you are right. Thanks for your answer
6:44 Land of Jupiter?
Jx8774 thats what i thought
Yes
Yes
This actually is a super badass concept. I might try to translate this into a tabletop wargame campaign.
I want to see this world explored further. Maybe a speculation on what each region you showed at the end would be like?
any progress on a campaign?
2:38 MALI LES GOOO
On a side note, can you do a video on this? I am sure many people would like to know about the expedition and what would happen if It succeeded.
Would love to see a Part 2 - discussing the Aztec - Roman interaction and what you think the West coast would look like (my guess is the Aztecs would use Roman boat / iron / horse technology to conquer it while either cooperating with Rome or fighting them.)
What if Prussia failed to unite Germany?
Prussia would still be the dominant force in northern Germany while Austria would be dominant in the south but it's unlikely that the remaining independent states would do much as they would be forced to be pro-Prussian or pro-Austrian causing another Austro-Prussian war in which central European geography heavily favours Prussia due to the flat ground and that the bulk of the Austrian forces would have to come over the mountains.
In short, Germany would simply unite later.
During the mid ninetieth century.
Even after their horrific defeat in the Napoleonic wars, Prussia was still the main German power. So it would have taken them longer to unite Germany. German unification was something desired by many after the Napoleonic wars, so it would unite sooner or later. If the delay is long enough, Austria-Hungary collapses and then it isn't such a threat anymore. Prussia would then even incorporate Austria into Germany.
Estex The status quo would break at some point, either as Prussia vanishes, or when Austria-Hungary collapses. Austria alone never was strong enough to rule over all of Germany and without their empire there is no way they could withstand Prussia. If Prussia vanishes however, either by losing another rebellion against Napoleon, or the German war for control over the German Union, Austria would eventually reform all of Germany to be ruled under them, maybe even without the eastern parts of Prussia, as they didn't belong to the German union. The Prussian-Austrian-Dualism was shaped by the seven years war, if not earlier, and was majorly intensified after the Napoleonic wars. That has to resolve somehow, the only way this is not a factor, is if you basically make one if them irrelevant for all of history.
Estex Well, Serbian Nationalism still would have been prevalent. The assassination of Franz Ferdinand could still have happened, as well as some other great war, where Austria-Hungary is beaten up and then dissolved. Also fedelarization could have caused a Hungarian uprising. If you look at the Ottoman Empire and how it got trashed by 4 small Balkan countries, then just imagine the same, but with Austria. Austria did poorly in WWI, that is no secret and there is little to no reason, why they would do better. Maybe if they actually managed to unify Germany under their rule, but even then, they would lack Prussian militarism, which led to Germany being so strong during WWI and carrying the whole faction against the odds for four years. Another point in history, where the whole empire could actually collapse is the unification of Germany. An Austria-Hungary with the whole of Germany to it, shifts the balance of power massively, so a coalition could form. Great-Britain was very passionate about the balance of power in Europe, France is of course against the unification of their enemies to the east and Russia wanted to gain influence in the Balkans. If Prussia is still around, they would try to cecede or if they are still independent, they would attack Austria for revenge. Balkan Entente might join the coalition too.
"the amazons, with dudes"
There is actually a trilogy book series on this subject. "Eagle in Exile" by Alan Smale is the first one. Set in 1100-1200 AD, the roman empire still exists and sends a legion to North America. I'm on the final book and its truly a fascinating topic.
Best video you ever made ❤
awesome video, something i've thought about so many times
The assumption that Rome discovers America would still be problematic during the era of the Baracks Emperors. The Roman Colonies would be abandoned, at least until Diocletian. Recovering lost territory was marginally successful under Justinian, but even Justinian went no further than Italy and Spain, leaving England and France alone. Clearly, though Justinian would have been the best chance to recover lost American Colonies, they would still be out of reach.
It’s not that Justinian didn’t want to, it’s just that the Sassanids didn’t allow him to fully concentrate on the restoration.
Please make a part 2
I would go back in time and convince Roman Emperor to send a convoy to the West.
Maybe alexander severus
8:00 Rome would have enslaved to some extent yes but if the inhabitants were truly pacifistic the Romans would have a hard time justifying any conquests. More likely there would be trading relationships and villages would become more intertwined with the Roman cities, it's worth noting that Roman administration was not as pervasive as one might think and most of the small settlements in the empire were left to handle their own affairs.
True, Roman officials would usually only maintain order, trade and taxes in the provinces while leaving locals handle their own laws and religion.
Many non Romans were happy to be part of the Empire as it offered stability, trade and protection.
Civil wars, although destructive in some regards, would usually not affect provincial civilians and would concern the Roman elites fighting for control.
This was really interesting. Thanks!
good video man, i like ancient stuff ,can you do 'what if spartan hegemony never failed'' at some point please
If romans discovered America, the Empire would survive here and didn't suffer the medieval dark age decay. The art, philosophy and science would be moved to Americas and continued to develop . We would be centuries ahead.
fabianoasc hmm it will probably break since it will be largest empire its too big..maybe rebellions will split it
@Teringventje
Europe wouldn’t match Rome until the Renaissance overall speaking and until recent centuries in terms of overall health and wealth per capita.
This would make an amazing book
"They would probably proclaim their own emperor"
Ah yes, another party in the "translatio imperii" question, just what we needed.
The way this guy ends every fucking sentaaaance....
I can't listen
The way your voice sounds at the end of every sentence is painful
Sounds like he's moaning or something
Fr it annoyed me 💀💀💀💀
yeaaaahhh
lol it ruined the vid for me but first after i read this
Right? I liked the video and all but this guys voice is terrible.
Btw precolumbian American history is amazing.
And then Columbus ruined it
Buildingblox Anything care to explain your thinking? (I’m well aware this was months ago but would still like to either engage in debate or understand why you feel this way)
And also it had very little recorded history.
Its so funny how your voice gets lower at the end of every sentence :D
Borislav Daskalov small lungs, lack of exercise
i like channels like this you will blow up really fast
6:34 The pagans of Rome would NEVER go through the kind of hardship the Christians did to worship. The pagans of had as much devotion to their gods and religion as the people of today have towards their favorite sports team.
Then it would be a real Latin America!
What if Byzantium reconquered Greece in 1452
@@qbek_san thats great
Then the winged hussars wouldn't arrive.
NOT SCIENTIFICALLY POSSIBLE
Who tf would do it
One possibility is of Osmanli family adopting Orthodoxy and Greek culture, so Byzantium would be rejuvenated by the influx of military and economic technologies from the Turks and would be a superpower again under the Osmanli emperors.
There would be no Turkey nor Greece, but a Greco-Turk blend for both countries.
I imagine the "why" would be very similar to Columbus' expedition, being an easier way to the Orient rather than (in Rome's time) The Silk Road. If Rome followed the same globe design as kingdoms and empires to come, probably composing a 'world map' by combining several maps from far flung cultures with their own, they would probably have the same thought of "Just sail West, end up in the East; easy." Though, like mentioned in the video, Rome was never a very large sea faring culture beyond the Med, and maybe along the Red Sea and Arabian Peninsula.
The only reason I see the why I proposed happening is if a neighboring empire/kingdom decided to restrict access or heavily tax Roman merchants on the silk road. Of course, given Roman pragmatism, they would more likely go for a land war rather than innovate a ocean worthy ship.
*Buen vídeo Baúl*
I agree: This timeline would make for one hell of a video strategy game.
This was very interesting you should do a second video to go into more detail on later history
can someone explain 8 at 2:38... I NEED MORE INFO THAN THAT DESCRIPTION
"A Clash of Eagles" trilogy by Alan Smales covers this topic of the Romans in the New World and is an excellent read.
Thank you for you're existing
Certain mesoamerican cultures mixed with Roman cultures would be…scary. I don’t wanna meet an Aztec Jaguar warrior in lorica segmentata wielding a spatha.
2:40
I didn't know the Basques were ever a naval civilization.
6:39
I do get it.
The Basques in the late mideval era were excellent whalers, providing Europe with whale oil and blubber. They certainly were capable, too, as Basque fishermen were fishing off the grand banks region off the coast of Massachusetts in the mid 1500s. The question is did they get there any earlier.
@@charlieputzel7735 Thanks for the information.
Interesting how you bring the missing Michigan copper mystery. I wonder if we'll ever ger conclusion to this issue...
What if Bohemia won against Austria in 1620 in battle at white mountain.
Orland Mapper what if Brandenburg and prussia never unifyed? What if The Hanseatic league never lost its influence and strength? What if Mecklenburg unifyed, and defeated Denmark in the 1200s?
I've always said if I could go back in time, I'd give Alexander the great a modern map of the world and leave.
My issue is with Vikings in New England, it's hard to express just how swampy and difficult the land is in Massachusetts, and all the northern states in the region are still sparsely populated and highly rural because it's so mountainous and rocky. The Vikings never had the societal or political pressures to settle and work that land like the 16th century puritans did. The fact that the Wampanoag still persist to this day despite the region being one of the first colonized speaks to the strength of their culture and knowledge of the region, something Celts or other iron age civilizations would struggle against immensely without gunpowder
What if Buddhism was the biggest religion?
There would be a lot less stress in the world and a lot less wars.
lets see, there would be a lot more vegans, self-improvement, and general pacifism. Sounds good to me.
Michael Foulkes -tell that to the Rohinga Muslims!!!
All problems would be solved, because, Hollywood cretins that believe Human Nature can be "improved", if only they find the Next Big Fad. In between drug abuse.
Kalo Arepo rohingyas are themselves to blame.
Please do the what if the Napoleonic wars never happened detailed
you would end up with a situation in which Europeans fight more amongst each other slowing colonization in the 19th century but this would make WW1 more like WW2 as the constant fighting with an enemy that is at the same technological level would mean that the suicidal tactics of the first world war would have been abandoned long before. Also, these constant wars would fule greater technological advancement but this would be negligible. Overall since Europe isn't devastated by two massive wars the European empires would remain strong in the modern day while America would remain somewhat isolationist as it wouldn't be able to expand its influence outside of its own borders. Germany would still unite but much later and thus would more likely be subject to the same political and cultural revolutions that happened in the 19th century meaning that Germany itself would be less authoritarian but still more than the rest of Europe because of Prussia.
Also, no soviet union as since Russia is less likely to be devastated to the extent that it was in WW1 preventing the Bolsheviks from gaining power. Same goes for China with the nationalist winning against the Qing after a possible short-lived civil war. So yeah things are actually a lot better-ish, mostly because of no communism of Fascism, but imperialism would continue to the modern day.
George Smith
We would still push Brits out of the Middle East and Israel would be founded later
Sandcastle 112 what if sandacastle 112 restarted mapping
Italian Mapper, no that won't happen
Portugal would probably become the strongest empire in the world, surpassing even England. I'm not sure if I can explain why though, my English isn't that good.
Someone has to make a ck2 mod out of this.
That or Imperator.
@@1perspective286 yeah... better imperator
I like the idea that Rome collapses anyways and people forget about Roman history in Europe but in the Americas the Romans press onwards with expansion and basically keep it alive and well. Then, when the Europeans come back in the late 1400s, instead of meeting primitive hunter/gatherer tribes they meet a mix of Native American + Roman legions defending their coasts.
Video idea: What if the Vikings succeeded in colonizing North America?
Romans Sons did found America. Spanish, Portuguese and Italians are Roman Descendants. Romans speak Latin. So do the Spanish, Portuguese and Italians.
True. The dummies today forget that ROMANS were the original Latins.
@@mr.eggplant866 Romans weren't the "original Latins," they were a single tribe within the wider Latin group. Like how in Ancient Greece Dorians were a tribe of Greeks
true, and so people should stop calling central and south Americans, Latinos. they aren't, it's an insult to the people of Latium. It's Cultural appropriation!
A Spaniard, Portuguese, or an Italian are so incredibly different from how a Roman would be that it wouldn't be accurate to call them the same. It would be like if I, an American, wandered up to a German guy and said "Bro, my great-grandpa was German in Germany, we're the same!"
Hell, the same can even be said for different eras of Rome. If a Roman from the time of Justinian was talking to a Roman under Augustus, they would be vastly different in culture and probably even language.
Are all of those mentioned before descendants of germanic migrators?
What if slavs were united?
Inżynier TV then there would never be communism
Hi corruption and a lot of communism.
Inżynier TV it will be yougoslavia ×1000
Tito
You mean the Soviet Union?
Damn, I'm from Rio de Janeiro and I've never heard of it at 0:56!! :O
Did you see the part 0:56?
Then that's not a made up fact.
Assim como a pedra da gavea, dizem q é uma tumba da época dos fenícios tbm.
ele fala que nosso governo tenta esconder o fato tipo uma teoria cospiratoria. coitado ele nao conhece o nosso governo rsrs. eles nao teriam essa capacidade mental toda. nao conseguem nem esconder os escandalos de corrupção
hahahahha verdade, essa conspiração só aconteceria no BR num universo paralelo.
12:00 You completely forgot about Wari, that was a powerful, violent state. Even some academics think it was an Empire.
this NEEDS a part 2.
If romans discovered america this video will be "If britons discovered america
Well, knowing how the romans generally act in those situations (discover new land, learn about new land by the indigenous people, give it a Latinised version of the indigenous name of it) I would say they would take the indigenous name of the Amazon Forest (Marajó) and modify it into something like Maraiora/Maraia for the southern colony.
About the Caribbean colony, well, the first indigenous population they would meet would be the Caribs, so unfortunately the name would still probably be something like Cariba/Caraiba, exept maybe Cuba with would (maybe) be named after the Taino people, so something like Taina.
(I don't know actually, the Carib migration might not have even started at Roman times so the whole Caribbean archipelago might have been inhabited by Tainos, so the whole name might be Taina islands or something)
And of course, they would do the same with the Mississippian, Mesoamerican and Andean states to which they would trade/make war with.
Still, take everything with a grain of salt.
Oh, and if you wanted to know how they would name the entire continent of the Americas, the simply wouldn't.
The two opposing colony would make up the idea of two different continents, more like in the Spanish language where South and North America are threated as two different things than in English where they are considered a single continent (or was it the opposite? Dunno I don't have either Spanish or English as a mother tongue).
Anyway, I made a short translation of some possible Roman names of some American regions, have fun pronuncing them:
Tainae Insulae = Carribbean Islands
Maraia Terrae = the Brazilian Coast
Irocois Foederis = Iroquois League
Tivanachiae Imperium = Tiwanaku Empire (Andes region)
Teotici Imperium = Tehotiwa Empire (Mexico region)
Misisibis Civitates = Mississippian States
Barbari Vaga= the Brazilian horse nomads
Omaghi Regnum = the Amazon Kingdom
Abae Terrae = All the tribal lands south of the Brazilian Colony and Ovest of the Tiwanaku Empire, from the original name of the Guarani tribes, the ones the Romans would enter in contact with (basically Patagonia)
Now i know how to name colonies when playing as rome in EU4
Luis Nemecio
Hahah Yeah actually I did something like this once while playing EU4, with a colony in western Venezuela/Northern Brazil region called Provinciae Guiane and another one in the Caribbeans + Florida called Provinciae Caraibe
Barbara Debel
Well, first of all calm down, I may cannot speak Spanish but I understand it without problems, second I am from Europe, so I don't give a fuck about some stupid discussion between the Spanish speaking Americans and the English speaking ones, third in my language is both correct to say "the two American Continents" and "the American Continent", also the North-South American continents division is based principally on geological and biological (both flora and fauna are completely different)
So, I think that the North-South division is right, becouse if not than the Continents of Asia and Oceania should be considered the same thing, and that would be stupid.
Barbara Debel
So, let me clear something to you.
The completely geography-based subdivision of the Continents is never used and the traditional meaning of "continent" is not used anymore.
Why? Becouse if we do that than there are only two continents, the Old World and the New World.
The mere idea of our continents is abstract, "Europe" is a giant peninsula of Asia, not a continent, but we treat it like it is becouse they have nothing to do with eachother.
Of course I don't have to explain to you that the Suez canal is man-made, but still everyone considers it the border between Africa and Asia, so I don't understand, what is the problem in using the Panama canal as the border between North America and South America?
Both continents are part of different tectonic plates and they used to be two different landmasses, so personally I think that the Americas are two different continents.
About the USA taking the name of the whole continent for themselves, I can kinda understand the reason of the anger from the "Non-American Americans" but I guess, when you consider that their nation was the first American one to gain indipendence, it kinda makes sense that they never cared about creating a name for themselves, even tho now that they are not the only ones it would be a good thing for them to find a new name for their state.
Great video 👍
brazilians be like: _i see this as an absolute win_
yeah we wouldn't have like 70% of our territory but it's 70% which just sucks money from São Paulo.
@@Menezarian sim, são paulo compõe 99% da economia do brasil
You know what, there is a large community in Discord that does Server RPs. This is becoming a new RP starting this. This is too based and badass not to be turned into one and you explained it well. I will definitely be citing you as the mastermind behind the concept.
The question now is why in the world does UA-cam recommend this to me 3 years after it was made, lol.