Are you guys not getting the movie is about Gertrude Bell, A british diplomat who aided the arab revolt against the ottoman empire. So why are you concerned about her race.
I don't know why the trailer (and maybe whole film) seems to imply that Gertrude Bell primarily traveled to Iran, when in reality she was much more involved in Iraq.
@@annaelmo9357 would you call a Scotsman English, a Canadian American? The Iranians are Persian, look at the writers poets and philosopher's they have given the world, the only thing the Arabs have given is oil. God bless the beautiful peace loving people of Persia.
The comment section is flipping out on this video. Look, it's not a fictional story. Gertrude Bell was a British white female traveler, diplomat, and archaeologist who really did defy men in all the places she lived and traveled to. She authored multiple books on her experiences and she kept extensive journals throughout her journeys. This is not a fictional story. It's imperialism, obviously, but it's not a bullshit story. She played a huge part in forming the modern borders of Iraq. She was an adviser on the Middle East to the British Empire (playing a pivotal role during the time that Iraq emerged from the Ottoman Empire). Does Gertrude Bell deserve a movie? Well, she was a pioneering archaeologist and broke gender barriers. Are there major problems of imperialism and romanticizing "Arab" cultures? Shit yes, huge problems that likely won't be addressed in this film as well as they should be.
Yes, I agree to an extent. Bell was a brilliant archaeologist and was from a wealthy family. She did defy the odds of her times, making her a true badass. However, this movie is anything but a true story. Most of the events in this film are exaggerated, fictionalization for the sake of drama. We do know she met Faisal and Lawerence, but it was a brief encounter, not the way the film presents it, and Churchill, if you know your ww1 history, was no where near Tehran during this time, he was fighting in Turkey, right at the ottoman heart. This movies selling point wasn’t bell, they wanted to rise on the cotells of Lawrence of Arabia. That is my problem with the movie, it’s a planted rip off if one of the greatest epics put to the screen,
Tam bir o.ç, bu kadın gittiği her yeri kan gölüne çeviren fa*işenin tekiydi. Bir ajanı, çirkef bir insanı güzelleöe yapıp allandırıp ballandırıp halka sunmanıza gerek yok, güçlü bir kadın da değildi sadece araplarla yatıp kendini pazarlayan ve iki devleti bir birine kırdırıp ardından ingilizlerin saltanatını sürdürmesine vesile olan onca insanın canına sebep olan fahi*enin tekiydi.
I didn't know much about this woman before, but I have to say if it's true based on what I have been learning about her role in building the modern state of Iraq, then she has a lot of Kurdish blood on her hand even if it wasn't intentional.
The supreme dignity, the encyclopedic mind of this remarkable woman, Gertrude Bell, cannot be captured in a film which is intended as entertainment. She was immediately recognized as a person of royal bearing and heritage wherever she went and was thus welcomed into the councils of men - in Europe and in the fracturing provinces of the Ottoman Empire. She was treated with respect and admiration by all of the leaders involved in the dissolution of the Empire, (including the European imperialists), which is so unprecedented that it strains credulity, but yet it DID HAPPEN. She was also a pioneering mountaineer, a superb linguist (translating many Persian classics and speaking Arabic, Persian, Turkish, and several European languages), a professional archaeologist, ethnographer, naturalist, officially recognized diplomat, and much more. Kidman is a great actress, but in this role she is woefully inadequate. BUT - it is good that those of us who wish to know more about unique people of genius have been alerted by this film to - Go Out And Do Research! - and find out more. p.s. - she was involved mostly in Greater Syria, Mesopotamia and Arabia, not Persia.
Maybe there were different borders at that time? I don't know. I googled the history for both of the countries/nationalities and I couldn't find much or I do not hold enough information to filter the results. This was a huge surprise for me as I love history and I just realised that I do not know much about Asian continent history. I mean I learnt and studied and searched for European, American, African and Australian history, but I just found out that I know little to nothing about Asian/Middle East Area. Maybe you can help me with some info, insides, a link? I've never realised till now that I do not know history about Middle East parts. I know about numbers, medicine, chess, logic, but somehow I've never asked myself about the history of areas, borders, people. Wow! I want to discover more
One of these days a film maker is going to hear of the woman they should be making a film about - Lady Anne Blunt. Her adventures in Arabia put Gertrude Bell's to shame.
Eine interessante und tiefe Geschichte, wunderschöne Aufnahmen und Schauplätze, alle Schauspieler mit grossem Esprit. Danke für diesen wunderbaren Film 👏 Ich finde hier die Comments teils von unglaublicher Ignoranz und Dummheit. Solche Leute sollten es zuerst mal besser machen...
I don’t think Arab men are capable of treating her with any respect or take her worthy enough as a mate cause she isn’t 14 years old and probably won’t accept to be in a perverted polygamous religious justified relationship
@@annaelmo9357 *More than 200,000 children married in US over the last 15 years* Girls as young as 10 were among the minors who wedded under legal loopholes Fraidy Reiss, the founder of Unchained at Last, said she was "literally shaking" when she first obtained data for New Jersey, where her group is based. Nearly 3,500 children married in the state between 1995 and 2012. “That number was so much higher than I had thought it would be,” she told Frontline. “Then, the fact that the children were as young as 13 and the fact that it was mostly girls married to adult men.” 👇👇
@@annaelmo9357 *Age of Consent in European & American History* What was the ‘Age of Consent’ in European and American history, prior to the 20th century? In this article, I shall bring forth evidences which demonstrate that the ‘Age of consent’ was indeed, very young, even by today’s standards. I will provide academic sources which show that girls were allowed to be married at the age of 10 years old and sometimes times, as young as 7 years old, legally. It was norm just over 100 years ago to see girls being married off at very young ages. In most cultures, the marriage would have been consummated at the onset of puberty. 1. Professor of history Margaret Wade Labarge “It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” [1] 2. Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone, both of whom state that prior to the 1900s girls married very young, “In Medieval and early modern European societies, the age of marriage remained low, with documented cases of brides as young as seven years, although marriages were typically not consummated until the girl reached puberty(Bullough 2004). Shakespeare’s Juliet was just 13, and there is no hint in the play that this was considered to be exceptional. The situation was similar on the other side of the Atlantic; Bullough reports the case in 1689 of a nine-year-old bride in Virginia. At the start of the nineteenth century in England, it was legal to have sex with a 10 year-old girl.” [2] 3. In the book, ‘Sex and Society’, “Until the late 20th century U.S. age of consent laws specifically names males as perpetrators and females as victims. Following English law, in which the age was set at 12 in 1275 and lowered to 10 in 1576, ages of consent in the American colonies were generally set at 10 or 12. The laws protected female virginity, which at the time was considered a valuable commodity until marriage. The theft of a girl’s chastity was seen as a property crime against her father and future husband. If two people were marriedand had sex, no matter what their age, no crime was committed because a woman was her husband’s property. In practice, too, the consent laws only protected white females, as many non-white females were enslaved or otherwise discriminated against by the legal system.” [3] 4. Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old, “The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.” [4] 5. The Scottish Law prior to 1900s by Sir John Comyns and Stewart Kyd, By the law of Scotland, a woman cannot contrabere sponsalia before her age of seven years. 1 Rol. 343. I. 20. But by common law, persons may marry at any age. Co. Lit. 33. A. And upon such marriage the wife shall be endowed, if the attain the age of nine years, of what whatsoever age her husband be; but not before the age of nine years. Co. L. 33. A.” [5] 6. Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese says that a 50 year old man being with a girl under 10 (being intimate) Under United States law was legal until the mid 1960s, “In 1962, the American Law Institute recommended that the legal age of consent to sex- that is, the age below which sex is defined as statutory rape- be dropped in every state to age 10 (Katchadourian and Lund 1972: 439). In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” [6] 7. Maureen Dabbagh is a writer and author. Born in Michigan, she serves as a Virginia Supreme Court Family Mediator, she echoes the same statements as previous authors, “…the nineteenth century, the minimum age of consent for sexual intercourse in most American states was 10 years. In Delaware it was only 7 years.” [7] 8. Mike A. Males is an American sociologist who writes from a pro youth rights perspective. Males is a professor at the University of California, he writes, “These early laws specified that a girl consenting to sex had to be at least 10 to 12 years old in most states, with a few specifying ages as old as 14 or 16. In Delaware, the age of consent was seven, based on ancient English laws setting the age squire.” [8] 9. Arthur Siccan Author of the Book: ‘What’s Wrong in America: A Look at Troublesome Issues in Our Country’, goes in a lot of detail on the issue of marriage at earlier times, “Traditionally, across the globe, the age of consent for sexual union was a matter for the family to decide, or a tribal custom. In most cases, this coincided with signs of puberty, menstruation for a woman and pubic hair for a man. Sir Edward Coke in 17th century England ‘made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband’s estate was 9. The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example Mary Hathaway of Virginia, was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss canons, initially set the age of consent at 10-12 years and then raised it to between 13 and 16 years in the second half of the 19th century. Historically, the English common law set the age of consent to range from 10- 12. In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at 10-12, and in one state Delaware, the age of consent was only 7. Social and resulting legal attitudes toward the appropriate age of consent have drifted upwards in modern times. For example while ages from 10 to 13 were typically acceptable in Western countries during the mid-19the century, the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century were marked by changing. I believe that a lot of our current mores come from reluctance to let our children mature mentally as quickly as our bodies do. Keep in mind that not all societies share Western mores. And to my surprise, until the latter part of the 19th Century, Children in the Western nations were engaged and married at a much earlier age. The trend to give children more time to mature is relatively new. In his book, The Emphatic civilization, (Penguin, NY, 200) Jeremy Rifkin points out that the concept of adolescence only emerged during the last decade of the nineteenth century and the first three decades of the twentieth century. Society started to think of childhood as extending beyond puberty, into the later teenage years. Before that, children were considered to graduate into adulthood with the onset of puberty.” [9] References: [1] A Medieval Miscellany By Margaret Wade Labarge page 52 [2]Internet Child Pornography: Causes, Investigation, and Prevention By Richard Wortley, Stephen Smallbon page 10 [3] Sex and Society, Volume 1 page 54 [4] A Guide to America’s Sex Laws by Richard A. Posner & Katharine B. Silbaugh page 44 [5] Sir John Comyns, Stewart Kyd A Digest of the Laws of England, Volume 2, page 73 [6] Opposing Hate Speech By Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese page 85 [7] Parental Kidnapping in America: An Historical and Cultural Analysis By Maureen Dabbagh Page 128 [8] Teenage Sex and Pregnancy: Modern Myths, Unsexy Realities By Mike A. Males page 40 [9] What’s Wrong in America: A Look at Troublesome Issues in Our Country By Arthur Siccan
@@SA-Arabia I am not sure why you are directing your last 2 comments at me and how it’s relevant to my comment. I’m not going to even bother reading your long winded outdated essay length reply. I don’t have time for it unfortunately. However judging for the first 2 lines, the middle and the end, I can see you are making reference to extremists groups or thugs and pumps that are not representative of the majority and making reference to old outdated bs politics. The age of consent is a lot older now and when you girls are consenting these days to marriage amongst the rare extremist groups or to human traffickers and thugs they are not in fact aware of their rights and have been groomed by powerful psychopathic peodophiles. I have lived in both the western world and the eastern world and I can tell you with utmost conviction that the sexual exploitation of younger girls is a lot more common, a lot more frequent and a lot more normalised in Middle Eastern environments and a lot of other regressed third world countries. No need to act all defensive and sensitive. I am just stating facts. My own father tried to marry me off at 14. I told him he was much better off putting a bullet in my head instead.
That is annoying. Honestly I don't think most Americans could point Iran out on a map, much less articulate a difference between Persian and Arab cultures.
this is so ignorant, didnt anyone in the cast and crew had anyone- a friend, husband, wife, and acquaintance- that asked them if thwy are really sure this is a movie they wanted to make?
it is a pity that a traitor is characterized as a hero, how many people have suffered. but it is admirable that she achieved so much success as a woman at that time, I wish she had chosen science instead of cruelty, although then she would have been stopped. very deep issues
طبعا ً الحوار كامل الدكتور عبدالله النفيسي كان عامل مقارنة بين القيادات الفلسطينية في مفاوضاتهم مع الإسرائليين ... وبين الفيتناميين ومفاوضاتهم مع الأمريكيين ... إتركو عنكم اللف والدوران واتهام العرب بأنهم خونة وأنذال ... كل دولة عربية قدمت ما قدمت للقضية الفلسطينية وفي النهاية من سلم الشعب الفلسطيني والقضية على طبق من ذهب لإسرائيل هم القيادات الفلسطينية بدأ من ياسر عرفات واتباعه إلى خالد المشعل وحماس اللي يتمتع بالأموال المنهوبة من الخليج والعرب بأسم القضية ..طبعا ً محمود عباس مجرد شيطان أخرس لا أكثر ...الأمهات الفلسطينيات العظيمات قدمو للقضية أغلى ما يملكون في هذا الحياة ... لكن للأسف القيادات الفلسطينية باعو ووجع وألم الإمهات بأبخس الأثمان
I was getting excited until I found out it was another feminist movie. The plot is obviously directed towards feminism, and half of the script shown in the trailer is solely directed towards the idea. I already treat women equally, constant reminders get old and uninteresting. It's like making a movie about a no smoking section in a restaurant.
That’s like saying ‘Do they have to keep mentioning colonialism?!’ when talking about Gandhi 🙄 Also, because you’re on board with feminism, we should assume all associated issues the world over are resolved then?
what a garbage!!! I'm living in tehran and until now I did not know that we have the palm trees and desert in it , and please can anyone tell me, how is it that she began to learn persian, but without any problem speaks with arabs , cuz I'm sure no one in the arab countries speak persian ?
Fact…..Gertrude Bell also climbed vertiginous Swiss mountains in her underwear…..so meeting heavily armed tribal chiefs while crossing Arabian deserts by camel was just another ordinary day for this formidable woman.
Are you guys not getting the movie is about Gertrude Bell, A british diplomat who aided the arab revolt against the ottoman empire. So why are you concerned about her race.
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No she was just a spy working for the british gov to colonise and spred divisions between arabs
As an Iranian I must say, we are not Arab. We are Persian. We speak the Persian language. Goodness...
I don't know why the trailer (and maybe whole film) seems to imply that Gertrude Bell primarily traveled to Iran, when in reality she was much more involved in Iraq.
Yassmeen Karimi It's set in Tehran...
@Mohamed Tantawy Because it was forced on them?
I have heard this countless times, tell my why Iranians seem to place so much emphasis on the fact that they are not Arab?
@@annaelmo9357 would you call a Scotsman English, a Canadian American? The Iranians are Persian, look at the writers poets and philosopher's they have given the world, the only thing the Arabs have given is oil. God bless the beautiful peace loving people of Persia.
The comment section is flipping out on this video. Look, it's not a fictional story. Gertrude Bell was a British white female traveler, diplomat, and archaeologist who really did defy men in all the places she lived and traveled to. She authored multiple books on her experiences and she kept extensive journals throughout her journeys. This is not a fictional story. It's imperialism, obviously, but it's not a bullshit story. She played a huge part in forming the modern borders of Iraq. She was an adviser on the Middle East to the British Empire (playing a pivotal role during the time that Iraq emerged from the Ottoman Empire).
Does Gertrude Bell deserve a movie? Well, she was a pioneering archaeologist and broke gender barriers. Are there major problems of imperialism and romanticizing "Arab" cultures? Shit yes, huge problems that likely won't be addressed in this film as well as they should be.
Yes, I agree to an extent. Bell was a brilliant archaeologist and was from a wealthy family. She did defy the odds of her times, making her a true badass. However, this movie is anything but a true story. Most of the events in this film are exaggerated, fictionalization for the sake of drama. We do know she met Faisal and Lawerence, but it was a brief encounter, not the way the film presents it, and Churchill, if you know your ww1 history, was no where near Tehran during this time, he was fighting in Turkey, right at the ottoman heart. This movies selling point wasn’t bell, they wanted to rise on the cotells of Lawrence of Arabia. That is my problem with the movie, it’s a planted rip off if one of the greatest epics put to the screen,
Tam bir o.ç, bu kadın gittiği her yeri kan gölüne çeviren fa*işenin tekiydi. Bir ajanı, çirkef bir insanı güzelleöe yapıp allandırıp ballandırıp halka sunmanıza gerek yok, güçlü bir kadın da değildi sadece araplarla yatıp kendini pazarlayan ve iki devleti bir birine kırdırıp ardından ingilizlerin saltanatını sürdürmesine vesile olan onca insanın canına sebep olan fahi*enin tekiydi.
I didn't know much about this woman before, but I have to say if it's true based on what I have been learning about her role in building the modern state of Iraq, then she has a lot of Kurdish blood on her hand even if it wasn't intentional.
She was a spy for the british gov
The supreme dignity, the encyclopedic mind of this remarkable woman, Gertrude Bell, cannot be captured in a film which is intended as entertainment. She was immediately recognized as a person of royal bearing and heritage wherever she went and was thus welcomed into the councils of men - in Europe and in the fracturing provinces of the Ottoman Empire. She was treated with respect and admiration by all of the leaders involved in the dissolution of the Empire, (including the European imperialists), which is so unprecedented that it strains credulity, but yet it DID HAPPEN. She was also a pioneering mountaineer, a superb linguist (translating many Persian classics and speaking Arabic, Persian, Turkish, and several European languages), a professional archaeologist, ethnographer, naturalist, officially recognized diplomat, and much more. Kidman is a great actress, but in this role she is woefully inadequate. BUT - it is good that those of us who wish to know more about unique people of genius have been alerted by this film to - Go Out And Do Research! - and find out more. p.s. - she was involved mostly in Greater Syria, Mesopotamia and Arabia, not Persia.
I'd say Kidman captures the spirit of her. There's no one person beside the original that could be fully encapsulated.
Seems kinda cheesy and I get the feeling they'll cram in every cliche they can.
good insight
Iran isn't an Arab country. Wow I totally didn't expect this film to be inaccurate and culturally incorrect at all...
The film was shot in Jordan and Morocco.
Bell's uncle lived in Tehran. But most of the film chronicles her life in Syria and Iraq.
She was sent to Iran before she became famous for her work in what was the Mandate of Mesopotamia, which is now the Arab-majority country of Iraq.
Maybe there were different borders at that time? I don't know. I googled the history for both of the countries/nationalities and I couldn't find much or I do not hold enough information to filter the results. This was a huge surprise for me as I love history and I just realised that I do not know much about Asian continent history. I mean I learnt and studied and searched for European, American, African and Australian history, but I just found out that I know little to nothing about Asian/Middle East Area. Maybe you can help me with some info, insides, a link? I've never realised till now that I do not know history about Middle East parts. I know about numbers, medicine, chess, logic, but somehow I've never asked myself about the history of areas, borders, people. Wow! I want to discover more
privileged the movie with historical inaccuracies.
Laura of Arabia. Sequel to Lawrence of Arabia.
They worked together. Robert Pattinson plays Lawrence of Arabia.
porn parody* to Lawrence of Arabia
nicole kidman staring with her mouth open - the movie
Trending with 12k views, huh.
i saw Queer of the Desert and was really confused for the first minute
Onion Blaster oh my god, you made my day
This is a Herzog film? Did he collaborate with Disney?
This is a Werner Herzog movie? I never would have known if the trailer didn't tell me.
I always wondered what that voice from battlefield 1 multiplayer looked like
One of these days a film maker is going to hear of the woman they should be making a film about - Lady Anne Blunt. Her adventures in Arabia put Gertrude Bell's to shame.
Why not movies about both? It's not a competition.
No such thing as too many explorations of fascinating people.
Ps) Thank you for the recommendation!!! Just googled her and will check out more. 🫡
Didn't this movie come out last year? re-release?
ikr. I think I have watched this movie.
Eine interessante und tiefe Geschichte, wunderschöne Aufnahmen und Schauplätze, alle Schauspieler mit grossem Esprit. Danke für diesen wunderbaren Film 👏
Ich finde hier die Comments teils von unglaublicher Ignoranz und Dummheit. Solche Leute sollten es zuerst mal besser machen...
1:26 is he Robert Pattinson?
where is the story set? Jordan or tehran i dont get it! cause im sure tehran is not a desert and people there definitely dont wear scarfs/ kofya
Shameon Onyou This is a retelling of a true story from the past, don't you understand?
It's all over. Not just one place.
i love how a white lady travels all the way to the middle east still hooks up w a white man haha
If you knew anything about history, you wouldn't be laughing.
I don’t think Arab men are capable of treating her with any respect or take her worthy enough as a mate cause she isn’t 14 years old and probably won’t accept to be in a perverted polygamous religious justified relationship
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*More than 200,000 children married in US over the last 15 years*
Girls as young as 10 were among the minors who wedded under legal loopholes
Fraidy Reiss, the founder of Unchained at Last, said she was "literally shaking" when she first obtained data for New Jersey, where her group is based.
Nearly 3,500 children married in the state between 1995 and 2012.
“That number was so much higher than I had thought it would be,” she told Frontline. “Then, the fact that the children were as young as 13 and the fact that it was mostly girls married to adult men.”
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@@annaelmo9357
*Age of Consent in European & American History*
What was the ‘Age of Consent’ in European and American history, prior to the 20th century? In this article, I shall bring forth evidences which demonstrate that the ‘Age of consent’ was indeed, very young, even by today’s standards. I will provide academic sources which show that girls were allowed to be married at the age of 10 years old and sometimes times, as young as 7 years old, legally. It was norm just over 100 years ago to see girls being married off at very young ages. In most cultures, the marriage would have been consummated at the onset of puberty.
1. Professor of history Margaret Wade Labarge
“It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” [1]
2. Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone, both of whom state that prior to the 1900s girls married very young,
“In Medieval and early modern European societies, the age of marriage remained low, with documented cases of brides as young as seven years, although marriages were typically not consummated until the girl reached puberty(Bullough 2004). Shakespeare’s Juliet was just 13, and there is no hint in the play that this was considered to be exceptional. The situation was similar on the other side of the Atlantic; Bullough reports the case in 1689 of a nine-year-old bride in Virginia. At the start of the nineteenth century in England, it was legal to have sex with a 10 year-old girl.” [2]
3. In the book, ‘Sex and Society’,
“Until the late 20th century U.S. age of consent laws specifically names males as perpetrators and females as victims. Following English law, in which the age was set at 12 in 1275 and lowered to 10 in 1576, ages of consent in the American colonies were generally set at 10 or 12. The laws protected female virginity, which at the time was considered a valuable commodity until marriage. The theft of a girl’s chastity was seen as a property crime against her father and future husband. If two people were marriedand had sex, no matter what their age, no crime was committed because a woman was her husband’s property. In practice, too, the consent laws only protected white females, as many non-white females were enslaved or otherwise discriminated against by the legal system.” [3]
4. Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old,
“The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.” [4]
5. The Scottish Law prior to 1900s by Sir John Comyns and Stewart Kyd,
By the law of Scotland, a woman cannot contrabere sponsalia before her age of seven years. 1 Rol. 343. I. 20.
But by common law, persons may marry at any age. Co. Lit. 33. A.
And upon such marriage the wife shall be endowed, if the attain the age of nine years, of what whatsoever age her husband be; but not before the age of nine years. Co. L. 33. A.” [5]
6. Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese says that a 50 year old man being with a girl under 10 (being intimate) Under United States law was legal until the mid 1960s,
“In 1962, the American Law Institute recommended that the legal age of consent to sex- that is, the age below which sex is defined as statutory rape- be dropped in every state to age 10 (Katchadourian and Lund 1972: 439). In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” [6]
7. Maureen Dabbagh is a writer and author. Born in Michigan, she serves as a Virginia Supreme Court Family Mediator, she echoes the same statements as previous authors,
“…the nineteenth century, the minimum age of consent for sexual intercourse in most American states was 10 years. In Delaware it was only 7 years.” [7]
8. Mike A. Males is an American sociologist who writes from a pro youth rights perspective. Males is a professor at the University of California, he writes,
“These early laws specified that a girl consenting to sex had to be at least 10 to 12 years old in most states, with a few specifying ages as old as 14 or 16. In Delaware, the age of consent was seven, based on ancient English laws setting the age squire.” [8]
9. Arthur Siccan Author of the Book: ‘What’s Wrong in America: A Look at Troublesome Issues in Our Country’, goes in a lot of detail on the issue of marriage at earlier times,
“Traditionally, across the globe, the age of consent for sexual union was a matter for the family to decide, or a tribal custom. In most cases, this coincided with signs of puberty, menstruation for a woman and pubic hair for a man.
Sir Edward Coke in 17th century England ‘made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband’s estate was 9. The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example Mary Hathaway of Virginia, was only 9 when she was married to William Williams.
Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss canons, initially set the age of consent at 10-12 years and then raised it to between 13 and 16 years in the second half of the 19th century. Historically, the English common law set the age of consent to range from 10- 12. In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at 10-12, and in one state Delaware, the age of consent was only 7. Social and resulting legal attitudes toward the appropriate age of consent have drifted upwards in modern times. For example while ages from 10 to 13 were typically acceptable in Western countries during the mid-19the century, the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century were marked by changing.
I believe that a lot of our current mores come from reluctance to let our children mature mentally as quickly as our bodies do. Keep in mind that not all societies share Western mores. And to my surprise, until the latter part of the 19th Century, Children in the Western nations were engaged and married at a much earlier age. The trend to give children more time to mature is relatively new.
In his book, The Emphatic civilization, (Penguin, NY, 200) Jeremy Rifkin points out that the concept of adolescence only emerged during the last decade of the nineteenth century and the first three decades of the twentieth century. Society started to think of childhood as extending beyond puberty, into the later teenage years. Before that, children were considered to graduate into adulthood with the onset of puberty.” [9]
References:
[1] A Medieval Miscellany By Margaret Wade Labarge page 52
[2]Internet Child Pornography: Causes, Investigation, and Prevention By Richard Wortley, Stephen Smallbon page 10
[3] Sex and Society, Volume 1 page 54
[4] A Guide to America’s Sex Laws by Richard A. Posner & Katharine B. Silbaugh page 44
[5] Sir John Comyns, Stewart Kyd A Digest of the Laws of England, Volume 2, page 73
[6] Opposing Hate Speech By Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese page 85
[7] Parental Kidnapping in America: An Historical and Cultural Analysis By Maureen Dabbagh Page 128
[8] Teenage Sex and Pregnancy: Modern Myths, Unsexy Realities By Mike A. Males page 40
[9] What’s Wrong in America: A Look at Troublesome Issues in Our Country By Arthur Siccan
@@SA-Arabia I am not sure why you are directing your last 2 comments at me and how it’s relevant to my comment. I’m not going to even bother reading your long winded outdated essay length reply. I don’t have time for it unfortunately. However judging for the first 2 lines, the middle and the end, I can see you are making reference to extremists groups or thugs and pumps that are not representative of the majority and making reference to old outdated bs politics. The age of consent is a lot older now and when you girls are consenting these days to marriage amongst the rare extremist groups or to human traffickers and thugs they are not in fact aware of their rights and have been groomed by powerful psychopathic peodophiles. I have lived in both the western world and the eastern world and I can tell you with utmost conviction that the sexual exploitation of younger girls is a lot more common, a lot more frequent and a lot more normalised in Middle Eastern environments and a lot of other regressed third world countries. No need to act all defensive and sensitive. I am just stating facts. My own father tried to marry me off at 14. I told him he was much better off putting a bullet in my head instead.
Nicole Kidman is everywhere. She's the busiest woman in Hollywood.
this movie was quite sad :(
Is all the dislike due to Robert Patterson?
Peter o'Tul was better...
@@Многокрылый and so was Ralph Fiennes in "A dangerous man. Lawrence after Arabia". Pattinson has nothing to do with TEL.
Amazing Trailer! Who's voice was that at 1:19?
queen of the desert
0:02 she sends letters in English 😂😂😂
Are you an idiot?
Oh wait, yes you are.
Queen of the desert? Oh! White blonde woman who does not even tan in the desert so she can stay white, THE MOVIE.
This movie has so many cultural and tribal mistakes... As a Grandson of the last Bedouin of my family, I'm disgusted by this film's inaccuracies.
If you want accuracy you should watch documentary not a movie.
Who are you?
@@r2artCHthey should at least make an attempt, this was laughable on so many levels but I am sure the genre wasn't a comedy.
Yes why not be accurate, when doing this. I agree.
wrong period for this to come out imo
0:57
strong wyminz in desert n shieet
also trends = ad section
Yay imperialism
hahahaha
That is annoying. Honestly I don't think most Americans could point Iran out on a map, much less articulate a difference between Persian and Arab cultures.
The fucking West!
this is so ignorant, didnt anyone in the cast and crew had anyone- a friend, husband, wife, and acquaintance- that asked them if thwy are really sure this is a movie they wanted to make?
It's history. Basically she is a female Lawrence of Arabia and that movie is a classic.
Looks boring...
Dinaryus Targarian?
Good movie.
SoO0Ooo ... this is a true to lie story, eh :)
trending my ass
Looks dreadful. Even the costumes are wrong from the first glance.
"Amurica's Democratically Elected President of Amurican Owned Land"
Looks interesting!
This is as foolish as Tarzan the white man king of the jungle!
it is a pity that a traitor is characterized as a hero, how many people have suffered. but it is admirable that she achieved so much success as a woman at that time, I wish she had chosen science instead of cruelty, although then she would have been stopped. very deep issues
Explain.
Research. @@rosalie4797
Hi
كل اشي عن الدروز بالفلم مثلينو غلط يا ريت لو عارفين يمثلو صح 😂
English spy
طبعا ً الحوار كامل الدكتور عبدالله النفيسي كان عامل مقارنة بين القيادات الفلسطينية في مفاوضاتهم مع الإسرائليين ... وبين الفيتناميين ومفاوضاتهم مع الأمريكيين ... إتركو عنكم اللف والدوران واتهام العرب بأنهم خونة وأنذال ... كل دولة عربية قدمت ما قدمت للقضية الفلسطينية وفي النهاية من سلم الشعب الفلسطيني والقضية على طبق من ذهب لإسرائيل هم القيادات الفلسطينية بدأ من ياسر عرفات واتباعه إلى خالد المشعل وحماس اللي يتمتع بالأموال المنهوبة من الخليج والعرب بأسم القضية ..طبعا ً محمود عباس مجرد شيطان أخرس لا أكثر ...الأمهات الفلسطينيات العظيمات قدمو للقضية أغلى ما يملكون في هذا الحياة ... لكن للأسف القيادات الفلسطينية باعو ووجع وألم الإمهات بأبخس الأثمان
I was getting excited until I found out it was another feminist movie. The plot is obviously directed towards feminism, and half of the script shown in the trailer is solely directed towards the idea. I already treat women equally, constant reminders get old and uninteresting. It's like making a movie about a no smoking section in a restaurant.
Actually, the entire movie is crap even without the feminism
It's about WW1 and the Arab Revolt, you idiot. Read some history books. Please
extra delux It's a retelling of actual history you dumb fuck
That’s like saying ‘Do they have to keep mentioning colonialism?!’ when talking about Gandhi 🙄
Also, because you’re on board with feminism, we should assume all associated issues the world over are resolved then?
Too funny.
A woman with lots of HUEVOS!
perturbant
what a garbage!!!
I'm living in tehran and until now I did not know that we have the palm trees and desert in it , and please can anyone tell me, how is it that she began to learn persian, but without any problem speaks with arabs , cuz I'm sure no one in the arab countries speak persian ?
Wtf is this?????????
History
AshJesusFollower37 suuuuuuuuuree
Research "Gertrude Bell" whom this movie is based off of.
Shame!
On you!
Feminist fantasy 😂
No. Real history.
Proud feminist, keep barking, you guys! 😂
Fact…..Gertrude Bell also climbed vertiginous Swiss mountains in her underwear…..so meeting heavily armed tribal chiefs while crossing Arabian deserts by camel was just another ordinary day for this formidable woman.