It's crazy how someone can have so much power to ruin someone's life with false allegations, you can be in the moment and everything is consensual but weeks or months later they can just say "well actually I didn't give consent, I change my mind".
this is so fucking backwards. so when it’s your favorite skinny boy cc it’s “innocent until proven guilty!!” so you can turn shit on the victim. hilarious. you all are so detached from reality it makes me genuinely sick
All of you are just random people in a random country coming across this skandal. You have nothing to say and the evidnece for each dtandpoint is to little. Stop thinking that you are so right. One thing that can influence what you think is wheather or not you are fans of george or not.
@@user-on8wv2mp2c if you have no idea what your talking about then just dont even type? George should 100% sue her for defamation, she literally destroyed his career 💀She kept changing stories so many times aswell.. she 100% deserves jail for false allegations + defamation.
@@belle8732he was also intoxicated so that doesn’t entirely hold any water considering he wouldn’t have also been in the right state of mind to properly consent, also there’s such a thing as nonverbal consent, the whole situation is just really he said she said, and I don’t think there’s any real way to definitively know wether or not she was uncomfortable, especially since the eye witnesses of the situation are taking bias sides based on who they are closer with Obviously I’m not saying though that being intoxicated is an excuse to sexually assault someone, but also in this situation if both parties are intoxicated they both cannot consent So if anything sexual did happen with consent it would just be between two people who are both intoxicated and BOTH unable to consent, but it still happens anyways and it’s not considered rape unless someone is sober and they are sexually assaulting someone who is not
@@impthesimp454 only a verbal response "yes" is consent. 'nonverbal consent' is literally not consent in a sexual situation. he did not ask for consent before touching her, the absence of a "no" is NOT consent. I don't think he's some abusive monster, but that was irresponsible and was assault
@@kat9531not really, she looked very much like a liar from the beginning to me because she was unwilling to show evidence and her entire story sounded nothing like what a real victim would say. It was written like a story, not like allegations. As an actual survivor of SA, it really disappoints me to see women like her who run to the internet to talk about their allegations rather than to the police. It’s very clear that her only real intention out of this was to try and ruin George’s life and career, she was not looking for justice or healing. She wanted attention because she regretted something, and that is so goddamn offensive to real survivors and their stories. For every false allegation there is around 5 true ones that end up brushed off because of selfish women like her. She needs to be kicked off of the internet, like anyone who is willing to support her after this is a disgusting human being.
Tbh, Caiti blew this out of proportion too much and they kept changing their stories that it seems to me this is all just for clout at this point u know
As an actual victim of SA, this is very upsetting and annoying that she would just lie so easily about this and also using shubbles experience as an excuse to lie about something that is very REAL and TRAUMATIC. Upsetting how I've even gotten to the point where I don't feel as if I can even trust alleged victims anymore... People like her treat this shit as a joke and make it EXTREMELY difficult for actual victims to come out. Disgusting. I'm sorry your name was defamed in this way. You might be able to sue if you want to.
@Braeden66 holy victim blame. Yall tell yourself what you want to here. No proof either way I belive the accuser they teller the truth 90 percent of the time
This is the dumbest allegation I've seen in a hot minute. She felt uncomfortable, that's unfortunate, she should have communicated it. Could he have asked? Sure, but he didn't sexually assault her be so fucking for real. This was a miscommunication. Caiti needs new friends and a reality check. Anyone who thinks otherwise has never been outside or had real life interactions.
also a key detail is that she knew his age and did honestly choose to cuddle him and be around him and also message him for months after her situation with him.
It’s not his fault that she regretted it later and putting your hand on someone’s Waist is not assault especially if you don’t have any sexual tension for it this could’ve honestly been resolved so easily and forgivable but no, Sapnap and George are no longer friends and Twitter is low-key canceling him right now😊
If tickling someone's tummy is sexual assault then every mother is a r*pist! SMH. This drama is stupid. To think you need verbal consent after every slight change in a move shows no one here has ever had a healthy sex relationship. Touching someones tummy, thigh, arm etc (non sexual parts) AFTER AN ENTIRE HOUR OF CUDDLING!!!! is a form of very slight escalation to test boundaries of consent if you can go further. She entertained it by looking back at him and smiling/ laughing or whatever the specific was. How can he know she didn't want it? Has ALL the personal accountability got to be forced on men now? And women can't simply open their mouth and say one word? The guy clearly is nice and only testing boundaries if he truly was a r*pist he'd not test anything he'd go straight for the private parts and take what he wants without a second wasted! But he didn't even go further than her god damn belly button. Other peoples ideas of how consent works is frightening! If I had to ask for consent for every slight change in movement during sex for example to handle a womans love handles now I r*ped her because turnes out multiple months after she comes out and says she's insecure about that part of her body and felt uncomfortable??!?!? That's insane. If you don't like something you HAVE to say it. YOU HAVE TO verbalise it. Men are not mind readers especially when your physical says you are fine with it smiling. She smiled. How is that a negative body language again chat??? IT's not you virgins. SHE IS DESTROYING HIS LIFE AND CAREER OVER TICKLING HER TUMMY GOD DAMN IT!
I've listened to both sides and this really sounds like a small and forgivable issue that should have been resolved privately in the moment. Saving it like a time bomb for a year and turning it into a public spectacle is actually insane.
For real, if this exact situation played out between two average people with no online following it would have ended with a short argument and (hopefully) an apology at best
Agreed, seems like something that should have been settled privately, and her coming out on the internet with no evidence just further proved that her only intention was to try and ruin George’s life and livelihood essentially. She’s a terrible person for what she did
This, how do you see empowering women like shelby and lexie and think yeah now's the time for me to share this half-issue and act like it's just as bad. This is like Punz getting accused and in the midst of women sharing their story thinks it's the right time to release a "my experience with dream" and it's just him being a cuck.
As a woman, I'm telling you all to SPEAK UP in the moment! feeling uncomfortable is VERY different than being sexually assaulted... lets stop jumping on the "me too" train. It isnt cute. It isnt the right attention you want on you, nor should these other peoples names be dragged in the mud... if there was actual assault, then GO TO AUTHORITIES and have it handled the right way. This pitty party/woe is me is not what you want to be remembered for...
It's crazy. She heard Shelby's story and somehow thought her own was similar in severity. Shelby might be known as "that girl who Wilbur bit" for a while but at least she exposed him for something ACTUALLY scary and abusive and worth talking about. At least she's protecting more women from being hurt by him. What did Caiti do? She was an incredibly tiny streamer/content creator and now she'll forever be known as that random girl who called George a m*lester, who turned out to be wildly overexaggerating the story to look more sympathetic, and in the end it was just a matter of regretting having a messy first sexual experience.
@@pey5571you are so detached it is insane. consider for a moment that these are real people with real trauma for a moment. consider that maybe listening to victims is more important than saving your fav internet celebs. but no, you say “this girl will forever be the one who called george a molester” instead of “this girl was taken advantage by a man with a lot more power and she deserves some level of respect”
@@lifewithkids5231Power Imbalances need to be acted upon to be relevant to SA cases Just because he has the “Power” here doesn’t inherently imply that he used said power over her; Their was no power imbalance in this situation.
if the part about her getting up repeatedly to get drinks, say goodbye to friends etc and each time go back to cuddle with him is true, and it should be easy to corroborate with the other people who were there whether it is true, then it sounds to me like she loves the idea of being a survivor bravely speaking out on behalf of all the other survivors oout there and letting them know that they're not alone and being showered in comments telling her how brave she is.
It sounds like 2 people flirting at a party. WHICH IS A COMPLETELY NORMAL PART OF A PARTY. They both saw the same situation, just from different perspectives.
@@overstimulating Honestly some parents have a ten year age gap, Keemstar was dating a 20 year old when he was 40 years old. There's worse age gaps out there, too, that are far "worse". All of this depends on the context of the situation. They're both adults. Just leave it be. Like everyone else is saying, George thought she was 21. Edit: It’s a completely different story if Caiti was heavily drunk. If not then y’all have zero right for calling George an abuser. Both did things they regret that night, either way.
I think her feelings are valid and her regretting it later on is totally fine but calling George an abuser or pedo is not okay at all he is fully innocent
bro she couldve left with her friend. and not just a smile, he went full slow with her until she started hugging and playfully fighting him. listen to the story carefully pls.@@jimininvaimo4019
@@jimininvaimo4019she stood up multiple times and had the chance to leave with her friends but she stayed and came back to their position?? Use ur brain
god i feel bad for george. being called a sexual abuser and having the full force of twitter jumping down his throat and calling him a r*pist and human scum when he didn't even do anything wrong. she just regretted the experience, which is valid, but that doesn't make it assault or m*lestation. he's getting blamed despite reacting like a normal human being and taking the situation/her body language to be a "yes, this is okay." why are we acting like saying point-blank "yes I consent to this" is the only valid form of consent? real life people don't say or ask that for every single little thing they do when they interact with someone.
Because this world has literally become clownish and people will literally believe anything they are told with out questioning it and investigating it. I fully agree there are many different ways of consent, specially men who are good with women, I know for I one never had to ask a girl. : hey is ok ok if I touch your breast before we engage in sexual activity?" How freaking of a turn off is that and how stupid does that sound?! come one common sense! But then again we todays age this is something lacking!
@@luciana.v. She lied about her age to go underage drinking. If that’s not shown of a first red flag then idk what is. She was cuddling George, she kept walking back to him, she touched him back, she was laughing with him. Tf are you talking about
It's crazy how someone can have so much power to ruin someone's life with false allegations, you can be in the moment and everything is consensual but weeks or months later they can just say "well actually I didn't give consent, I change my mind"
this is what scares me, i feel like if i were to do any such activities, i would have to film a video of us both verbally saying “i consent!” and save the video for later it feels kinda intrusive ngl and also sort of a lack of trust which is important in a relationship but i rather do that than get flamed
@@abejabee2754the easy way out is to not drink and not have sensual relations with random people. But even then you can still get hit with a harassment claim so, cheers.
If everything is consensual and afterwards they regret it, then it's not assault. Period. You don't have to worry about that. The issue is when there's no consent during. If they regret and change their mind and retract their consent during, but it continues, then yes it's assault.
She was underage drinking and kept going back on the couch after getting up multiple times. At the time, she was fine with it. Now she is suddenly regretting it and accusing George? Nah, he is 100% innocent.
Just because a woman keeps on coming on your couch doesn't mean she literally is giving you consent for sex. She has a mouth when she says yes or no the things should move forward it doesn't take 2 IQ cells to understand this.
shes just doing this for attention after seeing how much attention shelby got which is sad cus it is like a punch in the face to those who actually experienced SA
@@zxorizonn_3111 Yep. sounds like it. Listen to the last part of her video where she dramatically starts talking about how she wants to give a voice to other survivors and let them know they're not alone and stuff like that. That's the kind of thing you say when you want to get lots of attention and praise about how brave you are etc. When you listen back you can hear a lot of overly dramatic things like she's become enamoured by the idea of how she's a survivor and so brave by speaking out.
you handled this VERY well. it’s pretty clear you’re not on the hunt for freshly turned 18 year olds lmao. she’s trying to portray you as a predator when in reality, a group of six snuck into an over21 party at vidcon then begged dream to come to his suite to drink and play drinking games.
im the same age as her, and ive been in a very similar scenario as she was, so i understand being too scared to say or do anything at the time-but she has to take accountability for that. nobody can read people’s mind. and that’s what pisses me off the most, her not taking accountability for any wrongdoing, just blaming George for everything. she should've resolved this in their private dm's, telling him how she was uncomfortable with the touching and ask to not do it again-then he would have very likely accepted that. problem solved. and this might be a bold statement idk, but i don't believe she was sexually assaulted. it was a touch on her waist. nothing more.
Twitter became VERY annoying after this. They always react after hearing one side like god damn, chill out and wait for both responses. Watch the video and then come to a conclusion
Thank you so much for that comment. It’s what I needed to hear. I hate it if you jump to conclusions first before hearing both sides and then form you on opinion. And thats what twitter is doing all the time.
honestly 50% of allegations against content creators that start off on twitter are false. there’s been more instances of them being false than true at this point
She was being entirely too dramatic she made it sound like you made her do overly sexual activities against her will when it wasn’t that at all. The internet needs to stop this Guilty until proven innocent narrative
First, how do you know? Were you there? Second, he admitted that he was in the wrong and apologized on Twitter after Caiti posted her response to this video. Go look. A bunch of others also admitted that Caiti was telling the truth.
@@KittyDarlingYTyeah he was definitely in the wrong from not asking if she was comfortable. And she was probably telling the truth of what happened, yes, but probably not how she felt at the time. From both perspectives and considering how she kept going back to him and messaging him she probably enjoyed it in the moment and later on she just regretted it and felt shameful.
bruh she wasnt even tyring to show proof to back up what she was saying and that cry sounded so fake tf shes acting like a cuddle is getting r*ped shes way to dramatic she wanted to ruin his career for a "cuddle" like wtf how in any way is that a reason to try ruin someones career if she was uncomfortable then she shouldnt have f*cking went back to the same spot a million times its her own stupid fault and she should have told george her age because he thought she was over the age of 20 and then when he found out she was 18 he stopped texting her because he wouldnt date someone whos f*cking 8 years younger then him she needs to grow up they should have settled this in private not drag it to the internet shes an attention seeker who can literally go and f*ck herself she straight off pissed me the f*ck off because how is a cuddle a f*cking "sa" action @@KittyDarlingYT
@@Fnakmsthat's the most backhanded and disgusting comment you made... She didn't enjoy it she was clearly uncomfortable.. Even people was and asked if she was ok
@@namiitang If someone is uncomfortable with something it's their obligation to talk about it the fact she literally did nothing at all to try clarify her situation just shows it probably never existed
TBH, more than anything, I'm disappointed with Caiti's friends. No matter what happened, they A) willingly let her engage in underage drinking and B) left without her. Plus they have a history of making rape/necrophilia/etc jokes. Like... if they saw the two engaging in frisky behavior w/ each other & she was uncomfy with it/became uncomfy, why tf did they not pull her away??? (her friends were ragging on George for making unwanted advances on her. Why didn’t they stop him at the time? Even if they only found out later that Caiti didn’t want to be advanced on, they lowkey aren’t in a position to speak because they were *complacent* by letting it go on. “Silence isn’t consent” and yet, her friends sure didn’t do anything to help her.)
The reaction George was had to these allegations is also showing the difference between real allegations and fake. Wilbur reacted by making an “apology” which was just trying to defend himself and he only was saying he’s “changed” which is typical abusive behaviour. George has givin his perspective, given proof and acknowledged her feelings, he didn’t say that she wasn’t feeling them he just said how her actions were
As a woman, Ive never had a man ask for consent to touch my waist. Tbh Ive maybe a very small amount of times actually had a guy ask my consent for anything at all, they just went for it if i seemed into it. And if you’re not, say so. If you’re too uncomfortable to say something, make an excuse to get up or leave. In my opinion, George did nothing wrong and i feel bad that she blasted this all over the internet for him to deal with. But great job keeping your composure mate.
She was surrounded by these people giving her drinks. She was scared and she felt important beinf around them. They should have been the mature ones because yes she wasnt mature but they were. She has every right to feel coerced and assulted because she was.
@@Grimmick No she wasn't. George made a move on her and he thought she was 21, if you show no signs of uncomfort then no one would know, if you are uncomfortable it's your individual responsibility to speak up. If you can't set your boundaries you pry shouldn't put yourself in situations like this, (this referring to going out drinking). She was already drinking before they got to the room, and since everyone was already drinking before everyone met in the room they offered alcohol, which is literally normal. Oh hey I'm drunk and drunk friends are coming over should I offer them some alcohol or just some water? Funny how you phrase it "giving her drinks" they offered them, they didn't force them drink. If you don't want to drink then say so, she clearly was fine with drinking cause she never complained about not wanting alcohol, she never said in her video she didn't want any alcohol. I think you have a lack of social situions, people don't ask for verbal consent for every action. Can I put my hand on ur waist? Can i wrap my arm around you? Can I kiss? Can I kiss your neck now? Like no, these are not how interactions happen. Generally someone makes a move, and if you are not consenting you would either say something or do something to show you don't want to, which she never did.
@@dophs321 he thought she was over 18 but she wasn't and it's always a convenient excuse. I been to plenty of party's and seen what men do and he is no different. I've actively heard men talk about assaulting girls and how they are so easy to get drunk. She made no moves she did not continue the contact so he should have known it was a no. And you don't understand female fear my man if I was 17-18 again and a grown ass man put his hand down my shirt when I was drunk I would freeze. I understand her position and how gross it would make me feel. And honestly I believe not asking has caused alot of men to assume the girl they are hitting on is into it, just because she is scared to say no. There is no empathy in this comment section for a woman who was clearly hurt and spoke her mind. George will be ok he's a millionaire with little fanboys. Like you who love to defend assault.
Yea man let’s blame the freshly 18 year old girl for making bad decisions and not the man pushing 30 taking advantage of said bad decision, perfect logic 😹😹
@@Grimmick Do you expect George to be able to read her mind? She might have been scared and "unable to speak from the fear", but how is he supposed to know that?
I think both people are right in this situation. She probably experienced it in the way she spoke about it, but he had no way to know and his version of the story makes a bit more sense.
They were both drunk, its okay to feel weird about stuff like that when you werent sober while doing it but that also applies to him. The fact at hand is that alcohol clouds judgement on both sides. I dont think he meant anything by it. He seems to honestly believe hes innocent
Yes, like, I know a girl who were telling me and other her friend that she felt, likd, dirty and bad and all after one guy approach her and it was like sexual assault for her... I was there when it happens. Dude just was touching her shoulder while speaks to her about something like "yo hello how's your day" etc, etc. and then texted her few times until she exploded and text him how she disgusted by his behavior and he just stopped :D I know few people that literally were freaked out and were saying people who were JUST TALKING TO THEM were interapting something... So yeah, sometimes people see something completely different
@@ejeggeggy4064Yeah, that pretty much checks out. As soon as alcohol gets into the mix, the situation becomes hazy, and it's hard to know what really went on.
@@ejeggeggy4064 This! It's not like she was the only one drunk and he was stone-cold sober. They were all drinking. With that fact and with the evidence that HE brought forward, I am almost concrete on my opinion. She has every right to feel bad about what happened and regret it; but that does NOT make it sexual assault. If she was truly laughing, smiling and DID get up multiple times then almost her entire story is disproven. It's a shame because I've actually only ever been a Caiti fan and, as a victim of rape, it's really difficult to hear someone over exaggerate something so insanely horrific to actually go through. From the sounds of it, if she even once showed discomfort (like the elevator) he would have left her be. And that's that.
To all the people saying "this is just a misunderstanding" or "no one was in the wrong" , if George's version of events is accurate , and it should be pretty easy to corroborate with the other people who were there, then she is 100% in the wroong. She completely distorted and misrepresented the situation and falsely accused him of sexual assault when she was choosing to get up and then go back to cuddling him repeatedly. If George's claims are true then this isn't a "it's no one's fault" situation, it would mean she outrageously falsely accused someone of of sexual assault which is extremely messed up and immoral and should be considered libel . It's crazy to me that there seem to be a lot of people in the comments who believe George's claims yet also believe Catie did nothing wrong by falsely accusing him and trying to permanently ruin his reputation, his career and possibly his life.
If like what you said George's version was correct she's also comparing her situation to Shelby's which is disgusting in my opinion. Shelby was actually abused, she clearly set boundaries and when she said no, your going too far he crossed the boundary.
Silence isn't concent. But 80% of communcation is non-verbal, body langauge, eye contact, facial expression etc. She lead him on and tricked him, then thought it'd be funny to throw a hissy later.
1. Cati never said her age 2. Cati was cuddling with a 26 year old man 3. GEORGE NEVER ABUSED HER 4. Cati was drinking underage 5. Cati took info out of context 6. If cati had such a regretful problem with it she should have talked to George and not share it on the internet were billions of people will comment hateful disgusting stuff and will get mad for taking sides
I choose to believe George because WHY did Caiti omit CRUCIAL details like - they were cuddling for an hour, her friends left and she chose to stay, she was drinking before she got to the hotel (underage), and she came from a vidcon party strictly for 21+??
Also as a woman her saying he put her hand under her clothes and going to places leaves ONE place in mind, imo, making him sound VERY bad. But around the waste under the shirt is, in my opinion, very different. Her leaving out those details and letting the viewer assume the worst is very manipulative.
@@virginiaf4117 I agree!! And people (and Caiti) keep saying she was “freshly 18 and got manipulated”. I’m a 19 year old woman and we’re not helpless lost bambi. she was surrounded by her friends and could have left at any given moment if she was truly uncomfortable. If she says it was because she was drunk.. she’s the one who chose to drink illegally
So she lied about her age and he is still apologizing? Not to mention her acting the whole time on stream? You can tell those are real emotions she felt but she diluted her mind into thinking that she was taken advantaged of when in all reality she practically is going for this mans whole career.
I do think what he said about her friends was right. REAL friends wouldn't take you to a party with +21 drunk people, real friends would have protected you. Real friends wouldn't manipulate you into talking months later. Those friends need to go OUT of your life. Take a break from streaming girl and the internet you need it. And P.S: Taking advantage of what is happening with the real victim and wilbur guy is something horrible to do.
@@chloeeig Omg. I've seen so many videos calling George names, that they didn't like him... It's getting worse. People say always believe the victim, but how? If everyone is having panic attacks over just a hand touching their shoulder...
people saying he's still a sexual assaulter in his story, if a girl comes over to me and cuddles me and I slowly proceed to cuddle back im the assaulter?, she chose to come back to cuddle george every single time she got up, she was cuddling him back it wasnt just george doing the cuddling, and she was laughing and smiling the whole time, if she was uncomfortable then her friends supposedly could tell yet they did absolutely nothing, if she didnt want to be there she couldve talked to any one of them at any point she got up. if anything she didnt ask george for conesnt to cuddle with him, he was drinking too after all. clearly none of you know what intimacy is.
Time stamps for people who want to come back to certain things ^^ Intro: 0:00 - 2:06 A bit of context: around 2:10 - 3:10 Dream uncomfortability of the group going to go to the hotel + getting into the hotel: 3:10 - 4:13 Flirting? + Caitibugzz assuming George knew her age due to Instagram: 4:14 - 4:50 George having trouble with getting into VidCon + mentions of high security in VidCon: 4:51 - 5:13 Caitibugzz having over 21 wrist band?: 5:16 - 5:30 George not looking/seeing her instagram bio: 5:37 - 5:41 End of first night: 5:42 - 5:50 Day/Night two of VidCon: 5:51 - 6:05 George's online friend: 6:06 - 6:30 Dream's invite to George to come to his room: 6:31 - 6:40 ish Group trying to get Dream to go out again: 6:41 - 6:59 Group going to Dream's room: 7:00 - 7:20 Caitibugzz story about one of her friends were invited by Dream: 7:21 - 8:06 Caitibugzz not mentioning George's online friend or the 6th, 7th, or 8th person: 8:09 - 8:20 Group had already been drinking at party + asking to play drinking games: 8:21 - 9:05 George sitting next to Caitibugzz on the couch: 9:06 - 9:22 Caitibugzz gave no indication she was uncomfortable: 9:22 - 9:30 Age brought up again: 9:31 - 9:40 Two people left the hotel room: 9:41 - 9:53 Caitibugzz "resorting to playing games on her phone to avoid the awkward situation": 9:54 - 11:00 George and Caitibugzz cuddling together: 11:01 - 11:36 Caitbugzz answering a question about her age: 11:37 - 12:06 Insisting on drinking more: 12:08 - 12:35 George slipping his hand under Caiti's clothes: 12:36 - 13:49 George being overly cautious with consent: 13:50 - 13:53 Nothing got over than just under the shirt touching: 13:54 - 14:06 Caiti going along with George: 14:07 - 14:14 Disguising the touching with asking if Caiti was ticklish: 14:15 - 14:30 "He made a game out of my embarrassment": 14:31 - 15:03 "Silence is not consent": 15:05 - 15:34 Caiti standing up to go to the bathroom or something: 15:35 - 15:57 Best friend leaving + Caiti staying behind: 15:58 - 16:24 "I went to leave and the older guy decided to leave too" 16:25 - 16:46 Broken elevator: 16:47 - 17:39 Looking back at it feelings, not at the moment feelings: 17:40 - 17:43 End of night / Last time George saw Caiti: 17:44 - 17:50 Messaged a bit after: 17:51 - 18:21 Both of them in London: 18:22 - 18:48 George being shocked after seeing her stream: 18:49 - 19:45 George found out her real age: 19:46 - 19:58 Last message: 19:59 - 20:10 Caiti making George look bad: 20:10 - 20:38 George feels terrible about Caiti regretting their affection: 20:39 - 20:59 Looking back at it feelings, not at the moment feelings PT.2: 21:00 - 21:15 George's similar scenario: 21:16 - 22:15 George separating the accusations from abuse: 22:16 - 22:40 No sign of discomfort: 22:41 - 23:00 Why would Caiti come out and say it like that?: 23:01 - 23:14 Caiti friend group despising George: 23:15 - 23:55 Caiti's friend noticing her and asking if she's okay: 23:56 - 24:33 Caiti being surrounded by friends that despise George may change the way she sees the experience: 24:34 - 25:28 The end C:
should he have asked for verbal consent ? yes are caiti's feelings and regrets valid ? yes is george an abuser or sexual assaulter because of this ? absolutely not as far as we can tell there was no malicious intent from either side and clearly a miscommunication issue was very much present especially considering that both of them were overly drunk. This is a difficult topic to discuss since it is not all black and white and while yes george made a mistake assuming her age and assuming that she consented, he definitely does not deserve to be thrown into the same category as actual abusers and rapists. This seems like something that should've been discussed in private due to the fact that all of the online involvement is making everything so much worse. At the end of the day it is important to remember that silence is not consent and that you should always believe victims but also understand that sometimes things aren't as simple as they may seem. You can do bad and stupid things without any ill intent and you need to take accountability but that doesn't make you a criminal. caiti's regret is incredibly valid and I hope she heals properly from this. george is innocent too but I also hope he learns from all of this to avoid ever making someone feel like this again.
Idk her or her story, I'm haven't seen the video and don't want to choose sides, however: I went through trauma as a kid myself, my response was freeze to begin with, I felt shame for not pushing away or saying anything, but I was a scares lit kid.. then it became more violent, mind you I was a child,(fight, flight, freeze, fawn) so I tried to push them away and they over powered me and I got physically hurt because of it (on 2 occasions) later in life, I thought it would never happen to me again, when I was an adult, going through a mental health crisis, I ended up meeting someone I thought was sweet at a recovery centre, tldr; he took advantage of me and r worded me and I reacted differently, I didn't fight him off as it had gone wrong before, I was deeply ashamed and couldn't comprehend what happened to me, I was already in a crisis and because the first person who hurt me lived with me, It messed me up, so when he wanted to hang out more, I kept doing it, I kept getting drunk after that, I had feelings for him to some degree but also I did tell him not to do stuff to me and he didn't listen, I had no spine, I was new to alcohol and on new medication, I was suffering and didn't know how to process it. He did stuff to me while I was unconscious and every single time I ended up bl**ing or bl00dy, (I know I shouldn't have let him come in my unit again, he was 2-3 rooms away from me at the place I stayed at) my home life was bad, I was humiliated and I couldn't cope. I wanted to believe he'd stop, he said (before the first time) that he'd never do anything to me under the influence, I trusted him (my fault) he got me dr*nk, (he did pressure me into it the first time) He later admitted to me that he "touched me in my sleep" after I had blacked out. That was 6 years ago next month, of course now that I'm older and after many years of serious therapy, many psychiatrists, therapists and SA counsellors, lots of medications and whatnot, I started rebuilding my will to live. Being too scared to physically stop someone is a valid reason, having feelings for the person but not wanting to do anything like tjat is also a valid reason, for me, I initially had feelings and then I felt guilt, shame and I didn't want to cause a scene or more problems, I felt bad for him and I suffered from being a people pleaser, (I wasn't trying to please him, I was just scared to make things into a bigger issue when the whole reason I was there was because I couldn't handle my stuff) I was very mentally unwell and couldn't defend myself very well in situations like this. I didn't say he could do what he did to me, I 100% made mistakes, absolutely, but it still doesn't equate to consent. I haven't seen this video yet, but not all people react the same, people need to be educated on the importance of consent, 100% I said no to something in particular as well and he said "well I'm going to do it anyway" Everyone acts differently in their own personal scenarios, but if you tell them beforehand you won't do something, you ask them to do certain things and they say no, you're at fault...for myself I can't drink alc0hol anymore Tldr,; I continued to be r worded by someone for over a week because of shock, guilt, self hatred and previous trauma, because I didn't run outside doesn't mean I consented to it... This situation, I won't speculate on, but not all victims respond the same to these kinds of things
I'm so sorry Georgy you're having to go through this! I hope this passes soon, thank you for all you do and please take care of yourself in these times! Take care x
They started with Dream with the MOST STUPIDEST allegations ever Yes it is a serious topic but the proof was OBVIOUSLY fake and people still hated on him for no reason not to say they jokes about it too With Wilbur they did the same they're joking about something serious (I'm sorry ⟟ phrased it wrong. I'm trying to say that people are joking about abuse ⟟ do know the Wilbur situation is true I'm sorry ⟟ made it sound like ⟟ believe it's false)
@@Tariii_AccxThere’s literal proof that Wilbur did what he did.. you guys want to defend these shitty ass people. Dreams not a fucking saint either. You say “joking” it’s not a joke. Wilbur abused someone.
they were both shitfaced, supposedly cuddling for an hour, and he doesn't know her age. it was just a recipe for disaster destined to hit big and it did. i would call this more of a massive misunderstanding between the two rather than assault in my opinion
caiti is an attention seeker and wishes she got the attention that shelby got. its a hit in the face to those like shelby who actually had something really bad happen@@nv_deleted7843
Let's get real here. George had solid evidence to back up his side, something Caiti was sorely lacking. She just read from a script and shed some tears. Why does she get to do that while George doesn't even get a fair shot? And let's not be naive about the current climate. Accusations like these are flying left and right, and it's too damn easy for someone to make up a sob story and ride the wave of public outrage. We need to think straight and not follow the media without both sides. I was trying to stay neutral, waiting for George to speak up. But now that he has, it's clear this is just another case of jealous nobodies trying to take down successful creators. Atp the whole minecraft community is getting dragged on... And don't give me that "consent is complicated" crap. Caiti kept coming back to George, and he didn't force her. They even kept texting after and in the end it was GEORGE who stopped conversing after he found out what her age was. Let's face it, without any text proof, Caiti's story doesn't hold water. Crying and reading from a script don't make it any more believable. Let's not forget, Caiti's story was a whole other ball game compared to George's. She claimed they were forced into drinking games by George and his friends but then they were were the ones who were all in for it. And the age thing? She says George knew, but it wasn't confirmed that he actually knew. They kinda forced their way into the party. Plus they were wearing 21 and over bracelets so how the actual hell would George know that she was 18 if he didn't hear her nor read her instagram bio. And if her excuse is that she regrets being so affectionate, well, that's just rich. Good on her for reflecting, but don't go spreading lies about creators just because you had a change of heart after the fact.
this honestly feels like post-incident regret on Caiti's end. I've done plenty of things I was participating in at the time, only to realize later that I regret ever doing it. george raises some very good points here, and I'm glad he did take some time to organize his thoughts. he didn't expressly state it, but it seems like everyone in this situation was drunk, and therefore NONE of them were making informed decisions. she was touching him, as well. is there only one victim when both adults were impaired? even when disconnecting the situation from the creator, i don't see how this is sexual assault.
its so unfair tho, to accuse someone of SA just because you regretted doing the things you did with the person. she stayed behind even after her friends left but then also claimed that she was so scared that she couldnt move.
I hate how mant people immediately assumed you were a bad person as soon as the allegations came out. I hare when people make things like this so public because it ruins image
hes been a bad person since he tried to be the center of attention at a cancer charity event. innocent, guilty, i dont care. he isnt a likeable person if hes trying to get all eyes on him
I'm not on either side but GOD DAMN why the internet FIRST but not the POILICE? What about caiti's friends and families? Does she not reach out to them first? I could be a dumbass cause i don't know the whole story...
Can we just agree that miscommunication isn't sexual assault and that the easy solution to miscommunication is to say something clear and concise about the situation? If they continue to do what you told them not to, that's when it becomes sexual assault.
@@Extraaaa Thank you. The thing is, no one ever mentions that most of the time, physical and sexual advances are communicated non-verbally. In fact, communicating it verbally could potentially ruin the mood. Imagine someone asking permission every time they move their hands. "can I touch you here? can I move my hand lower?" If someone did that to me, I'll call it a night
First of all, George provided us just concrete evidence, which may I remind Caiti DID NOT have. The only thing she did is reading from a pre-written text and cried. Why is it that she was allowed to read from a pre-written text and George doesn’t have the same rights? Second of all, yall need to stop and think about it for a second. The hot topic at this moment is just about big ccs being accused of sa and yall need to understand just how easy it is for ppl and make up a big lie and then take advantage of the present controversy to lure the crowd to their side. Please judge with a clear mind. I have been taking a neutral stance and waiting for George’s turn to speak before judging. But now I know and yes the situation is just how I imagined it. it’s just another day of those broke people finding a way to bring big creators down and ruin their careers. You cannot be so dumb to not think of that scenario. If her case is indeed so true then why cant I see any text evidence? Not some mere words written down for her to read and sob on stream but clear and justified proof. And no, consent is not just yes or no. She kept coming back to him, he didn’t tell her to do that. Just look at the texts between them. It should be solved privately if she was truly assaulted in any way but she just decided to make it public. (small note: everything I said here, I had just posted them on X/Twitter. So I kind of pasted them and combined all of my posts into 1 comment so that you guys can understand my stance as well as many others’ on this topic. My X is lisangy_ if yall want to talk or maybe discuss more with me about this problem.)
@@orlaith_2910 did you not read everything I just commented? How is it that you cannot think of how easy it is to take advantage of the current controversy of sa and then lure everyone who is as denial and naive as you to their side. At the end of the day, it’s just big creators’ careers being completely destroyed over a ridiculous lie and accusation
People saying that a smile doesn't equal consent are clearly reducing his story to an absurd degree. He wasn't only relying on the smiles and laughs (which can actually already be a sign that you are happy about something or that you are enjoying something), it was the fact that she kept going back to him, even after going to the bathroom or to say goodbye to her friends, she kept going back to cuddling with him. Any person that's tried to flirt with anyone in their lives knows that George's actions and understanding of the situation are completely logical. If you've had your hand around another person's waist the whole time, they get up and back to that position and even show themselves reciprocal about it through actions, I think makes the message very clear: they want to be there. The story she's telling makes it look like this crazy akward scenario where everyone is being witness of an abuse (even her best friend), she's showing herself uncomfortable (even when she said she tried to not show it "because everyone was watching", because it's contradictory if you claim that and then say that you would literally freeze and stay quiet the whole time) and nobody's even reacting to it. The story he's telling is making it look like a NORMAL social interaction. I stand with George. . . . Also, plz remember she wasn't the only one intoxicated there. Both of them were drunk.
Agreed. It honestly seems like a lot of the people immediately jumping at his throat have never even been in a sexual experience because going off of body language and enthusiasm is totally normal and healthy.
Nervous laughter and smiles exist… when i was assaulted i was scared to do anything because the people in the room had power over me so i just played along because what else can i do? Risk losing everything?
@@unusandannuscasket there is actually a thing called non verbal consent, and this is what I mean with my comment: if you've been in a flirty mood with someone, you know that what George understood from that interaction was completely logical. From her actions (not only reactions), she was showing herself comfortable with it, even if she regretted it later on, which is just as valid. It is true that everyone reacts differently to uncomfortable situations, but what I'm saying is that even what she said about her own reactions was contradictory: she first said she was going along with it because she didn't want to make a scene out of it and then she said that she would freeze, stay quiet and get up to get out of that situation... Still, she skipped the part where she would go back over and over again to that uncomfortable situation by going back to cuddling with George, or going to the elevator with him when she didn't have to...
I think it was cause of him still associating with George after his statement on a call about him saying something about barging in on a girl in the shower
Normal people: 1: hey last night I wasn’t comfortable with what we were doing on the couch 2: oh my bad I totally misread the situation I apologise for making you feel uncomfortable I how we can remain friends 1: oh it’s okay I should’ve voiced my boundaries but I still had a good time. 2: and I should’ve asked to clarify I guess us being drunk and newly introduced made us both inept in picking up eachothers cues Minecraft UA-camrs Caiti: I was brutally and savagely assaulted by a man I just met George: WHAT THE FUCK
she said in her video she always felt awful about it! why do you guys know nothing about what she said? why did you only watch this. this happened in the summer and she came out with it now because shelby was brave enough to come forward with her story. use your heads!
You can think it’s not SA if you want BUT I don’t think you understand SA. Victims often times don’t understand that it was wrong until later, the feeling can get worse after time and sometimes It’s hard to come out with your feelings especially if that person is looked upon by many others . Since it’s originally an Sexual assault it’s still gonna hurt SA victims with word like this.
@@rainstorm.or maybe. Just maybe? She saw how much attention Shelby got over a real allegation and decided to jump on the bandwagon for that same attention. Use your head maybe
this is so out of character for george to discuss his private life with that much detail, which makes me believe him tbh… (i literally have not watched or know who caitie or wtvr is)
Istg this whole thing just made me depressed. Im not a fan of him for 4-5 years but im a new fan but seeing people talking crap about him all over Twitter just made me really upset. It was so devastating watching ur fav people get so much hate without any proof
I was wondering how he was gonna speak on it. His streams are usually very fun and have an almost teasing vibe. (sorry if that doesn’t make sense) He was very serious and detailed which, like you said, he is usually very private with his outside life. His story makes sense, and I’m so happy it does because idk what I would have done if it didn’t. If Caiti is hurt/traumatized by this experience then I will hope in her healing and recovery. I continue to support victims and that will never change. Also wilbur needs to take notes. This is how his apology should have been.
@@BjornBjergsen i actually just took a look at it and honestly she seems believable, and it makes sense what shes saying. theres just certain things she didnt speak out on that arent matching what george said, such as the cuddling. i understand her point of view but what i dont understand is at what point was she sober and doing the things she was doing? idk theres js so many questions i have for both sides😭😭
@@blueure2443 here’s some facts: george did not ask for age. you can assume someone’s age of a wristband especially when it comes to sexual things like putting your hands under someone’s skirt george did not ask if she was ok with it. he assumed things based of drunken body language george did touch her without consent under her skirt. he said he is a big consent guy, yet states he never asked her if she was ok with being touched body language isn’t enough for consent. you can’t just assume things. he should’ve known better since she looked very young first of all, she had her age in her bio very clearly, and he never asked how she was feeling about it
what annoys me the most is how many of george’s friends/acquaintances sided with caiti, even before he posted his response. they either unfollowed him or bashed him with angry tweets. like, you’re CONTENT CREATORS. not children who have no sexual experience like twitter users. but they’re acting just as immature and childish as twitter users are, probably just to save their career and not risk getting hate. really goes to show real friends vs fake friends. thank god dream and sapnap are still friends with george and know it’s just a mistake, or even a mistake at all for that matter. it doesn’t sound plausible to me that they would betray george like this, especially since they’ve known each other for so many years. bottom line tho, i just hope george is getting support in his personal life and seeing the support on youtube. i hate how his mental health, reputation, career, and friendships have been ruined because of this girl who was mildly uncomfortable in a cuddling session. i hope you’re happy, caiti🖕
I feel bad for George to be handling those accusations, over such a small thing. And for her to say, 'drunk' at a party, means that she lied about her age, as legal drinking ages most of the time is 21, and it doesn't even make sense, George is literally down right a good person, and wouldn't even think of doing such things. I stand my ground as George being innocent.
i just don’t understand why she didn’t leave when her friends did if she hated it that much? why go back to sit w geo after getting a drink, going to the toilet, saying bye to your friends? that was her chance to leave if she wanted too, but she didn’t take it?? why not??
I think while silence is not consent, the fact she kept coming back and even messaged him after, as well as not showing any signs of discomfort, and wasnt being forced to drink can show that george at least didnt have any bad intentions and if he knew how she was uncomfortable then he would've stopped. All in all, poor communication, but caiti is still allowed to have regrets and that may be why she remembers it the way she does, so instead of calling her a liar, we can still support and validate her feelings, but in the case where it was miscommunicated and poorly explained, i personally am not a fan of george but we can give him a bit of slack.
yeah it’s still fair that caiti feels how she feels and i hope she doesn’t receive hate for speaking out but i think it was a bit unfair for her to call him a assaulter
@@airithieI hope she does. Do you not realize what she did? She completely lied about a large creator to get clout because another big creator was recently exposed. Her “testimony” is a joke and not a funny one at that. She makes it harder for real survivors to be heard and she deserves any of the flack she gets for this, because those are the consequences of her actions. She shouldn’t have sent people to hate monger after George with a bunch of lies if she wasn’t ready to receive hate. I despise this woman for being such a poor liar and a sorry excuse for a content creator.
I don’t understand how it is difficult for people on Twitter to take everything with a grain of salt. Just because Wilbur is an abuser doesn’t mean George is too. One side of the story comes out and everyone immediately attack creators that weren’t even involved (Sapnap). Some of these people on Twitter most likely care more about destroying people’s lives than supporting victims of sexual assault. Smh wait for the whole story to come out.
@@OmmitpieHindiGaming yeah he pushed past his ex’s boundaries by biting her harder even after she would scream her safe word(so he would let go but he would bite harder before letting go causing bruises n stuff) and he was just not the vibe with other things too Edit: his “apology” was also self centered
Ik and when one starts they all do now tubbo WITCH MAKES NO SENSE bc tubbo can drive and punz witch I can't find stuff on the topic and the dream thing is not true as for Wilbur I'm on shelbys side
I hate to say it but I think it's because of Shelby coming out about Wilbur. Of course she had every right to and I'm not saying that she shouldn't have but anti's who have been trying to shut down the DSMP for years now have leverage because of people knowing for a fact that Wilbur is an abuser so they're probably just trying to shut them all down. At least, that's the conclusion me and my sibling came to
she was not trying to ruin his life. she wouldn’t do that. she had her perspective of things, and she was drunk. he had his. they are different. caiti is a victim, as she never consented to being touched. however, george is not an abuser. george was not attempting to hurt her in any way. caiti isn’t a horrible person, and neither is george.
@@damnbammam2097 george already said he doesn’t think she had malicious intent. in my opinion, she was manipulated by her friends to bring it to public. i think her friends had malicious intent, but she didn’t.
both parties was at fault. but its not all on George. Caiti lied about her age, snuck up to a 21+ convention with a 21+ badge, knowing she was going to drink alcohol (idk the legal drinking age, but in many places its for sure 20+) Even then, you all should be aware. Two things can be true at once, while it may have been wrong for George (who also was drunk) to do what he did, Caiti was also stupid to put herself in that situation knowingly, there would be drunk boys older than her present. Smh, that's my reasoning and opinion.
u can tell 99% of these people have never had any sexual experience with someone they like cause 99.999% of the time nobody is asking for a verbal yes, if you are giving hints that you are trying to advance the relationship and they respond to those hints by play fighting with you and smiling and laughing and sitting next to you, that is almost as valuable as a verbal yes. and who tf js says "can i touch u?" like thats one way to kill the whole vibe lmaooo. half of ya'll are chronically online 14 year olds that have no idea how the real world works
I do it all the time I ask random women "Do you want to have sex?" and they all say yes This is how it works. You have to ask them politely and get their verbal consent, and then you continue the deed.
Not helping George or anything but he did provide evidence on his POVs (such as the 21+ band and screenshots) while caiti did only talk with a script on her phone
yeah but the prrof is literally just about them wanting to go ti the hotel and play a game. theres no proof she was comfortable with him theres no proof she and her friends wanted to drink more, theres no concrete evidence that she was comfortable in that situation.
@@niyah6121 George literally put a screenshot in the video where Caiti and her friends wrote that they wanted to play the drinking game from the previous night so there IS evidence that they wanted to drink more :) also if she wasn't comfortable with the situation then why did she act like what George said and why didn't she do anything about it?
@@isarabi_ the wanted to play most likely to.. which CAN be a drinking game but nowhere does it say "dream whats the DRINKING game from yesterday" shes asking about the app. george was drunk his judgement on her behavior couldve been VERY clouded. she never once gave him verbal consent to touch her. he even admits it himself. he touched up under her shirt and he barely knew her. she mentioned her age DUTING THE GAME and he just so happens to have not heard it. fine. she was under the influence and underage to be drinking & just because she didnt say no, or stop doesn't mean it's a yes. it doesnt give him the right to touch her unless she consented VERBALLY and even then she was TOO DRUNK to give consent. idk why she decided to go back after leaving her friends but that still doesnt mean she was comfortable. she could've felt like she had to stay because she was 'lucky'. i dont know and you dont know and neither does george. LISTEN TO VICTIMS
@@niyah6121 “She could’ve felt like she had to stay because she was lucky.” No. No one including George stopped or forced her to stay beside him, if she was uncomfortable then why didn’t she leave? Even if she somehow felt like she had to stay here and would keep staying next to him, that can already be mistakenly assumed as a sign of consent from George’s perspective.
@@keikoizawa8104 yeah but its not. and its people like you who make it hard for victims to come out. she was naive, she said it herself. from personal experiences its not easy to walk away, its not easy to notice it either sometimes you don't have the realization until after the fact, there's so many things that she couldve done yes but that doesn't take away from the fact that she did not consent. if you have a BASIC understanding of consent then you know it needs to be verbal and when the person is NOT under the influence. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
As a man, i don’t know what SA or an uncomfortable scenario such as what caiti is describing feels like, but I think this is the most stupid allegation possible, where is not only george most likely innocent, but the worst case scenario which would have him as “guilty” is him touching another woman on her waist, if you don’t like it just say you don’t, its not that deep. I think its offensive to make this kind of an allegation for women who have actually been raped, beat up and forced into sex, that’s when you can be “too scared to even breathe” this is just a clout chasing girl trying to ruin someone’s career for money and attention, honestly despicable.
Tl;dr. - She lied about her age, took her friend to another guy's place, got drunk with everyone, cuddled with george for hours, left, came back, and continued to text him for several days afterwards George found out she was 18, stopped talking to her, she found out she couldnt mooch off the clout from him this way, *PLAN B*
Honestly, Even with the victim saying that the 21+ Wristband was not hers, this creates another glaring issue: *_How was she able to sneak into a 21+ Party, AND be allowed to drink?_* Did they just not check her ID or something? Did they not ask for it? Honestly, regulations are needed.
And personal responsibility is needed. Why are we acting like she's a toddler that needs any alcohol within her vicinity to be child-proofed? She's an ADULT. She willingly got drunk beforehand, and then knowingly sneaked into a 21+ party with alcohol, proceeded to drink some more, and yet somehow none of that is her fault? She chose to do all of that.
She has shit friends. Leaving her there Letting her drink when she wasnt of age Letting her engage with a person like this without being able to tell she was umcomfy or not. She needs better friends, these people probably did push her to say these things and wanted to ride the wilbur heat and make another big issue.
Letting her? She was old enough to make better decisions. What happened to the whole “strong independent women!” thing? Oh…that’s only a thing when it suits them? When it doesn’t they are all fragile little snowflakes that need everyone’s protection and help. Hypocrites! Manipulators.
George, you are being way too forgiving to this liar who is trying to ruin your life for no reason other than to get attention. You need to stand up for yourself and take her to court for defamation.
This was explained so well. I have been watching George for so long and I personally can tell that he is being so honest and open about it. He explains where he might have gone wrong or agrees to things that happened but none of which were in ill intentions. It sounds like there were plenty of opportunities to leave if someone was uncomfortable or like he said, you can regret it after, but in no way does someone deserve wrongful accusations, especially in this scenario- much love and support to you!
u can tell 99% of these people have never had any sexual experience with someone they like cause 99.999% of the time nobody is asking for a verbal yes, if you are giving hints that you are trying to advance the relationship and they respond to those hints by play fighting with you and smilling and laughing and sitting next to you, that is almost as valuable as a verbal yes. and who tf js says "can i touch u?" like thats one way to kill the whole vibe lmaooo
you should have stopped at silence is not consent. the fact you think its regret thats eating away at this girl is disturbing because she bever said yes to begin with.
@@goldenruby4 he didnt put any blame on her or her friends he was just saying the full story and it was at america in vidcon everyone had to be 21+ and they had the 21+ wrist bands so its normal for george to asume that Caiti is 21+ if you even watched the start he meant no hate to caiti or her friends
@@goldenruby4Where’s her proof now. Show me pictures. Just because you said it does not mean it’s true. I can say you rape me and did not give any evidence. Since people tend to jump the gun they will also blame you despite me showing any evidence.
@@goldenruby4 proof that she isn't wearing the patch. George said she wore it. Her friends said she didn't. So I want proof from her friend cause George is the only one showing proof.
Bro had the receipts and twitter still attacked him then made him confess to something he didn't even do. What a cesspool. Just because George is a Minecraft creator and it's a meme that they're groomba's that's such a weird reason to pick him as a target
this is why we have to go with "Innocent until proven guilty "
Yep
Thank you!!! I been fucking saying this the whole some 😭 😭
@@future1894same bro
It's crazy how someone can have so much power to ruin someone's life with false allegations, you can be in the moment and everything is consensual but weeks or months later they can just say "well actually I didn't give consent, I change my mind".
this is so fucking backwards. so when it’s your favorite skinny boy cc it’s “innocent until proven guilty!!” so you can turn shit on the victim. hilarious. you all are so detached from reality it makes me genuinely sick
I love that youtube comments have more common sense than twitter.
Twitter is for people that were the mentally unstable kids in school that always started drama and for the chronically online
it's always been like that. twitter is rotting.
twitter is legit a brainrot site for 14yr olds girls thinking they are SA victims because of some tickling.
@@plvto1 nah fr, people will argue about the stupidest shit
Sometimes...
I hope he sues her for defamation. This girl is delusional as hell
fr its the fact that she sounded so fake and people still believed her like wtf her crying was like some of the worst acting ive ever seen 🤣🤣
I agree, he doesn't deserve the harassment. :(
All of you are just random people in a random country coming across this skandal. You have nothing to say and the evidnece for each dtandpoint is to little. Stop thinking that you are so right. One thing that can influence what you think is wheather or not you are fans of george or not.
@@user-on8wv2mp2c if you have no idea what your talking about then just dont even type? George should 100% sue her for defamation, she literally destroyed his career 💀She kept changing stories so many times aswell.. she 100% deserves jail for false allegations + defamation.
@@ajgamer1414If she is guilty.
Silence is not Consent, BUT Regret is not Assault either
THANK YOU (someone with common sense over here)
right... but you see how that's not what's happening here, she was touched without her consent when she was intoxicated and unable to consent anyway.
@@belle8732he was also intoxicated so that doesn’t entirely hold any water considering he wouldn’t have also been in the right state of mind to properly consent, also there’s such a thing as nonverbal consent, the whole situation is just really he said she said, and I don’t think there’s any real way to definitively know wether or not she was uncomfortable, especially since the eye witnesses of the situation are taking bias sides based on who they are closer with
Obviously I’m not saying though that being intoxicated is an excuse to sexually assault someone, but also in this situation if both parties are intoxicated they both cannot consent
So if anything sexual did happen with consent it would just be between two people who are both intoxicated and BOTH unable to consent, but it still happens anyways and it’s not considered rape unless someone is sober and they are sexually assaulting someone who is not
@@impthesimp454 only a verbal response "yes" is consent. 'nonverbal consent' is literally not consent in a sexual situation. he did not ask for consent before touching her, the absence of a "no" is NOT consent. I don't think he's some abusive monster, but that was irresponsible and was assault
YES
George not just gave his perspective, but acknoledge caiti's perspective too, and that saids a lot in terms of honesty and transperency.
He could’ve done more to defend himself cause that lady clearly is deranged
@@DTXTUM but it could’ve also made him look more guilty he did it the right way
@@kat9531not really, she looked very much like a liar from the beginning to me because she was unwilling to show evidence and her entire story sounded nothing like what a real victim would say. It was written like a story, not like allegations.
As an actual survivor of SA, it really disappoints me to see women like her who run to the internet to talk about their allegations rather than to the police. It’s very clear that her only real intention out of this was to try and ruin George’s life and career, she was not looking for justice or healing. She wanted attention because she regretted something, and that is so goddamn offensive to real survivors and their stories. For every false allegation there is around 5 true ones that end up brushed off because of selfish women like her. She needs to be kicked off of the internet, like anyone who is willing to support her after this is a disgusting human being.
@@3bingust this should be pinned and highlighted.
Tbh, Caiti blew this out of proportion too much and they kept changing their stories that it seems to me this is all just for clout at this point u know
As an actual victim of SA, this is very upsetting and annoying that she would just lie so easily about this and also using shubbles experience as an excuse to lie about something that is very REAL and TRAUMATIC. Upsetting how I've even gotten to the point where I don't feel as if I can even trust alleged victims anymore... People like her treat this shit as a joke and make it EXTREMELY difficult for actual victims to come out. Disgusting. I'm sorry your name was defamed in this way. You might be able to sue if you want to.
valid point
Great explanation @M-un5yl
It isn't a lie lmao
@@greenc0met934bro you could just tell she was fake crying no tears at all where coming out!
@Braeden66 holy victim blame. Yall tell yourself what you want to here. No proof either way I belive the accuser they teller the truth 90 percent of the time
the youtube comments on stuff like this is so different from the chronically online brainrot spewed on twitter💀
That's what im thinking
Twitter has always been pure brainrot
Had twitter. Deactivated my account. Thank God I did, that place is hell on Earth with toxicity, politics and assholes running rampant
twitter is total chaos lol, full of toxic ppl and one sided.
@@ItzJupiterGlad I never considered going on to that 3rd last letter app.
This is the dumbest allegation I've seen in a hot minute. She felt uncomfortable, that's unfortunate, she should have communicated it. Could he have asked? Sure, but he didn't sexually assault her be so fucking for real. This was a miscommunication. Caiti needs new friends and a reality check. Anyone who thinks otherwise has never been outside or had real life interactions.
also a key detail is that she knew his age and did honestly choose to cuddle him and be around him and also message him for months after her situation with him.
It’s not his fault that she regretted it later and putting your hand on someone’s Waist is not assault especially if you don’t have any sexual tension for it this could’ve honestly been resolved so easily and forgivable but no, Sapnap and George are no longer friends and Twitter is low-key canceling him right now😊
@Bonjour_Rosa wait are they actually not friends anymore?
@@mistiicola6711 unlikely but it seems theyre taking a break
If tickling someone's tummy is sexual assault then every mother is a r*pist! SMH. This drama is stupid. To think you need verbal consent after every slight change in a move shows no one here has ever had a healthy sex relationship. Touching someones tummy, thigh, arm etc (non sexual parts) AFTER AN ENTIRE HOUR OF CUDDLING!!!! is a form of very slight escalation to test boundaries of consent if you can go further. She entertained it by looking back at him and smiling/ laughing or whatever the specific was.
How can he know she didn't want it? Has ALL the personal accountability got to be forced on men now? And women can't simply open their mouth and say one word? The guy clearly is nice and only testing boundaries if he truly was a r*pist he'd not test anything he'd go straight for the private parts and take what he wants without a second wasted!
But he didn't even go further than her god damn belly button. Other peoples ideas of how consent works is frightening! If I had to ask for consent for every slight change in movement during sex for example to handle a womans love handles now I r*ped her because turnes out multiple months after she comes out and says she's insecure about that part of her body and felt uncomfortable??!?!? That's insane. If you don't like something you HAVE to say it. YOU HAVE TO verbalise it. Men are not mind readers especially when your physical says you are fine with it smiling. She smiled. How is that a negative body language again chat??? IT's not you virgins.
SHE IS DESTROYING HIS LIFE AND CAREER OVER TICKLING HER TUMMY GOD DAMN IT!
I've listened to both sides and this really sounds like a small and forgivable issue that should have been resolved privately in the moment. Saving it like a time bomb for a year and turning it into a public spectacle is actually insane.
For real, if this exact situation played out between two average people with no online following it would have ended with a short argument and (hopefully) an apology at best
@@Adroseroyeah, a situation (more like moment) like this should never be career ending.
Agreed, seems like something that should have been settled privately, and her coming out on the internet with no evidence just further proved that her only intention was to try and ruin George’s life and livelihood essentially. She’s a terrible person for what she did
@@3bingustI agree with you she's a terrible person
This, how do you see empowering women like shelby and lexie and think yeah now's the time for me to share this half-issue and act like it's just as bad. This is like Punz getting accused and in the midst of women sharing their story thinks it's the right time to release a "my experience with dream" and it's just him being a cuck.
PSA TO ALL MINECRAFT CREATORS: Just stop talking to women idk
Probably for the best. You never know which of them could randomly make up for SA story and accuse you next.
and kids
Yeah women can make any story and people are gonna believe them, just don't talk to women/girls.
Well spoken@@dinosaurtimeandfunnyvideos
Real
As a woman, I'm telling you all to SPEAK UP in the moment! feeling uncomfortable is VERY different than being sexually assaulted... lets stop jumping on the "me too" train. It isnt cute. It isnt the right attention you want on you, nor should these other peoples names be dragged in the mud... if there was actual assault, then GO TO AUTHORITIES and have it handled the right way. This pitty party/woe is me is not what you want to be remembered for...
It's crazy. She heard Shelby's story and somehow thought her own was similar in severity. Shelby might be known as "that girl who Wilbur bit" for a while but at least she exposed him for something ACTUALLY scary and abusive and worth talking about. At least she's protecting more women from being hurt by him. What did Caiti do? She was an incredibly tiny streamer/content creator and now she'll forever be known as that random girl who called George a m*lester, who turned out to be wildly overexaggerating the story to look more sympathetic, and in the end it was just a matter of regretting having a messy first sexual experience.
@@pey5571you are so detached it is insane. consider for a moment that these are real people with real trauma for a moment. consider that maybe listening to victims is more important than saving your fav internet celebs. but no, you say “this girl will forever be the one who called george a molester” instead of “this girl was taken advantage by a man with a lot more power and she deserves some level of respect”
@@lifewithkids5231Power Imbalances need to be acted upon to be relevant to SA cases
Just because he has the “Power” here doesn’t inherently imply that he used said power over her; Their was no power imbalance in this situation.
I almost died laughing bro what is she crying about and she’s fake crying
if the part about her getting up repeatedly to get drinks, say goodbye to friends etc and each time go back to cuddle with him is true, and it should be easy to corroborate with the other people who were there whether it is true, then it sounds to me like she loves the idea of being a survivor bravely speaking out on behalf of all the other survivors oout there and letting them know that they're not alone and being showered in comments telling her how brave she is.
This is the most unnecessary situation that has ever been on the internet
GeorgeNotCancelled
And most of them(99.99%) are from Twitter...
It's not the 'most' unnecessary situation thing in the internet
@@Falleny well it’s still unnecessary, should have been dealt with in private
Attention is one hell of a drug
It sounds like 2 people flirting at a party. WHICH IS A COMPLETELY NORMAL PART OF A PARTY. They both saw the same situation, just from different perspectives.
18 and 26 is normal to u lol?
@@overstimulating She sneaked into a bar in America, where the drinking age is 21. She was not supposed to be there anyways
@@overstimulatingGeorge thought she was 21
@@overstimulating Honestly some parents have a ten year age gap, Keemstar was dating a 20 year old when he was 40 years old. There's worse age gaps out there, too, that are far "worse". All of this depends on the context of the situation. They're both adults. Just leave it be. Like everyone else is saying, George thought she was 21.
Edit: It’s a completely different story if Caiti was heavily drunk. If not then y’all have zero right for calling George an abuser. Both did things they regret that night, either way.
@@overstimulating18 is an adult tho?
I think her feelings are valid and her regretting it later on is totally fine but calling George an abuser or pedo is not okay at all he is fully innocent
he isn't fully innocent tho. he did touch her without consent. a smile is not a sign of consent.
shut up lol
He's not hope this helps
bro she couldve left with her friend. and not just a smile, he went full slow with her until she started hugging and playfully fighting him. listen to the story carefully pls.@@jimininvaimo4019
@@jimininvaimo4019she stood up multiple times and had the chance to leave with her friends but she stayed and came back to their position?? Use ur brain
god i feel bad for george. being called a sexual abuser and having the full force of twitter jumping down his throat and calling him a r*pist and human scum when he didn't even do anything wrong. she just regretted the experience, which is valid, but that doesn't make it assault or m*lestation. he's getting blamed despite reacting like a normal human being and taking the situation/her body language to be a "yes, this is okay." why are we acting like saying point-blank "yes I consent to this" is the only valid form of consent? real life people don't say or ask that for every single little thing they do when they interact with someone.
I doubt she regretted much. I think she regretted when he found out her real age and ghosted her. That btch just wanted revenge and attention.
Because this world has literally become clownish and people will literally believe anything they are told with out questioning it and investigating it. I fully agree there are many different ways of consent, specially men who are good with women, I know for I one never had to ask a girl. : hey is ok ok if I touch your breast before we engage in sexual activity?" How freaking of a turn off is that and how stupid does that sound?! come one common sense! But then again we todays age this is something lacking!
are you slow? people under the influence cannot consent
@@luciana.v. She lied about her age to go underage drinking. If that’s not shown of a first red flag then idk what is. She was cuddling George, she kept walking back to him, she touched him back, she was laughing with him. Tf are you talking about
@@luciana.v. are YOU slow? they were BOTH under the influence. don't skip over that very important detail.
It's crazy how someone can have so much power to ruin someone's life with false allegations, you can be in the moment and everything is consensual but weeks or months later they can just say "well actually I didn't give consent, I change my mind"
this is what scares me, i feel like if i were to do any such activities, i would have to film a video of us both verbally saying “i consent!” and save the video for later
it feels kinda intrusive ngl and also sort of a lack of trust which is important in a relationship but i rather do that than get flamed
@@abejabee2754the easy way out is to not drink and not have sensual relations with random people. But even then you can still get hit with a harassment claim so, cheers.
If everything is consensual and afterwards they regret it, then it's not assault. Period. You don't have to worry about that. The issue is when there's no consent during. If they regret and change their mind and retract their consent during, but it continues, then yes it's assault.
you're being VERY naive... people lie!!!!!!@@o_o-lj1ym
She has 0 power outside of Twitter lmao
this is a good example of defending yourself without invalidating the other person’s feelings
FR
Until the last 5 minutes
@@sonicstruckcardinal7what’s wrong with the last five minutes
Her feelings should be invalidated, this is nonsense.
@@billusher2265 it doesn’t hurt to be respectful
She was underage drinking and kept going back on the couch after getting up multiple times. At the time, she was fine with it. Now she is suddenly regretting it and accusing George? Nah, he is 100% innocent.
Just because a woman keeps on coming on your couch doesn't mean she literally is giving you consent for sex. She has a mouth when she says yes or no the things should move forward it doesn't take 2 IQ cells to understand this.
@ChipiChipiChapaChapa020 bro u gotta chill and use those 2 brain cells of urs
@@user-wy9eu4sv8p I am using it bro, Nice lizard btw
shes just doing this for attention after seeing how much attention shelby got which is sad cus it is like a punch in the face to those who actually experienced SA
@@zxorizonn_3111 Yep. sounds like it. Listen to the last part of her video where she dramatically starts talking about how she wants to give a voice to other survivors and let them know they're not alone and stuff like that. That's the kind of thing you say when you want to get lots of attention and praise about how brave you are etc. When you listen back you can hear a lot of overly dramatic things like she's become enamoured by the idea of how she's a survivor and so brave by speaking out.
you handled this VERY well. it’s pretty clear you’re not on the hunt for freshly turned 18 year olds lmao. she’s trying to portray you as a predator when in reality, a group of six snuck into an over21 party at vidcon then begged dream to come to his suite to drink and play drinking games.
im the same age as her, and ive been in a very similar scenario as she was, so i understand being too scared to say or do anything at the time-but she has to take accountability for that. nobody can read people’s mind. and that’s what pisses me off the most, her not taking accountability for any wrongdoing, just blaming George for everything.
she should've resolved this in their private dm's, telling him how she was uncomfortable with the touching and ask to not do it again-then he would have very likely accepted that. problem solved.
and this might be a bold statement idk, but i don't believe she was sexually assaulted. it was a touch on her waist. nothing more.
Agreed
I’m not into the whole “sides” thing, but George I think you defended yourself respectfully. Much respect.
I 100% agree with this
This mf shouldn't be trusted around women either
Very well put.
Agreed
he literally just victim blamed her and victimized himself but go awf ig😂
Twitter became VERY annoying after this. They always react after hearing one side like god damn, chill out and wait for both responses. Watch the video and then come to a conclusion
Thank you so much for that comment. It’s what I needed to hear. I hate it if you jump to conclusions first before hearing both sides and then form you on opinion. And thats what twitter is doing all the time.
Jumping to conclusions first
honestly 50% of allegations against content creators that start off on twitter are false. there’s been more instances of them being false than true at this point
What happed to innocent until proven guilty
its so funny. 12 hours ago people were hoping that george unalived himself before even hearing him out
Yall callin him a pedo is wild isnt 18 literally legal 💀
Man people think the age of consent is 21 when it’s 18 in most states
@@mario1upboy369 in michigan its 16
@@omqarianathe age of consent is 2 months, in my mind at least. 🤤👶🏿
@@GlivchMy man is a menace
i know twitter is going go wild on this saying “HES CLEARLY LYING!!!”
She was being entirely too dramatic she made it sound like you made her do overly sexual activities against her will when it wasn’t that at all. The internet needs to stop this Guilty until proven innocent narrative
First, how do you know? Were you there? Second, he admitted that he was in the wrong and apologized on Twitter after Caiti posted her response to this video. Go look. A bunch of others also admitted that Caiti was telling the truth.
@@KittyDarlingYTyeah he was definitely in the wrong from not asking if she was comfortable. And she was probably telling the truth of what happened, yes, but probably not how she felt at the time. From both perspectives and considering how she kept going back to him and messaging him she probably enjoyed it in the moment and later on she just regretted it and felt shameful.
bruh she wasnt even tyring to show proof to back up what she was saying and that cry sounded so fake tf shes acting like a cuddle is getting r*ped shes way to dramatic she wanted to ruin his career for a "cuddle" like wtf how in any way is that a reason to try ruin someones career if she was uncomfortable then she shouldnt have f*cking went back to the same spot a million times its her own stupid fault and she should have told george her age because he thought she was over the age of 20 and then when he found out she was 18 he stopped texting her because he wouldnt date someone whos f*cking 8 years younger then him she needs to grow up they should have settled this in private not drag it to the internet shes an attention seeker who can literally go and f*ck herself she straight off pissed me the f*ck off because how is a cuddle a f*cking "sa" action @@KittyDarlingYT
@@Fnakmsthat's the most backhanded and disgusting comment you made... She didn't enjoy it she was clearly uncomfortable.. Even people was and asked if she was ok
@@namiitang If someone is uncomfortable with something it's their obligation to talk about it the fact she literally did nothing at all to try clarify her situation just shows it probably never existed
TBH, more than anything, I'm disappointed with Caiti's friends.
No matter what happened, they A) willingly let her engage in underage drinking and B) left without her. Plus they have a history of making rape/necrophilia/etc jokes. Like... if they saw the two engaging in frisky behavior w/ each other & she was uncomfy with it/became uncomfy, why tf did they not pull her away???
(her friends were ragging on George for making unwanted advances on her. Why didn’t they stop him at the time? Even if they only found out later that Caiti didn’t want to be advanced on, they lowkey aren’t in a position to speak because they were *complacent* by letting it go on. “Silence isn’t consent” and yet, her friends sure didn’t do anything to help her.)
Why doesn’t anybody else mention this?
Fr and if the allegations are faked they lied about sexual assult
What underage drinking? She was 18
@@aydac4526 Legal age to drink in America is 21. She was 18. Which meant she had a fake ID / her friends enabled her to drink.
@@aydac4526they might be american or something because their legal drinking age is 21
Seems like everyone's getting allegations against them
Right it's all the sudden having all these allegations after a couple ppl admit
@@reaelizabeth3601so far only wilburs has been true
half of them are false
@@baked-potato6punz aswell
@@ewwthatssocringe7425i didn’t hear about the punz allegations can someone say what it was about please?
The reaction George was had to these allegations is also showing the difference between real allegations and fake. Wilbur reacted by making an “apology” which was just trying to defend himself and he only was saying he’s “changed” which is typical abusive behaviour. George has givin his perspective, given proof and acknowledged her feelings, he didn’t say that she wasn’t feeling them he just said how her actions were
As a woman, Ive never had a man ask for consent to touch my waist. Tbh Ive maybe a very small amount of times actually had a guy ask my consent for anything at all, they just went for it if i seemed into it. And if you’re not, say so. If you’re too uncomfortable to say something, make an excuse to get up or leave. In my opinion, George did nothing wrong and i feel bad that she blasted this all over the internet for him to deal with. But great job keeping your composure mate.
“Why don’t sexual assault victims just say no or just get up and leave”
@@reptileloverreptile-vt6fdcareful, your lack of reading comprehension is showing
Stuff like this is why 21 is the legal drinking age in America, don't try to hang out with adults drinking if you aren't mature.
She was surrounded by these people giving her drinks. She was scared and she felt important beinf around them. They should have been the mature ones because yes she wasnt mature but they were. She has every right to feel coerced and assulted because she was.
@@Grimmick No she wasn't. George made a move on her and he thought she was 21, if you show no signs of uncomfort then no one would know, if you are uncomfortable it's your individual responsibility to speak up. If you can't set your boundaries you pry shouldn't put yourself in situations like this, (this referring to going out drinking). She was already drinking before they got to the room, and since everyone was already drinking before everyone met in the room they offered alcohol, which is literally normal. Oh hey I'm drunk and drunk friends are coming over should I offer them some alcohol or just some water?
Funny how you phrase it "giving her drinks" they offered them, they didn't force them drink. If you don't want to drink then say so, she clearly was fine with drinking cause she never complained about not wanting alcohol, she never said in her video she didn't want any alcohol.
I think you have a lack of social situions, people don't ask for verbal consent for every action. Can I put my hand on ur waist? Can i wrap my arm around you? Can I kiss? Can I kiss your neck now? Like no, these are not how interactions happen. Generally someone makes a move, and if you are not consenting you would either say something or do something to show you don't want to, which she never did.
@@dophs321 he thought she was over 18 but she wasn't and it's always a convenient excuse. I been to plenty of party's and seen what men do and he is no different. I've actively heard men talk about assaulting girls and how they are so easy to get drunk. She made no moves she did not continue the contact so he should have known it was a no. And you don't understand female fear my man if I was 17-18 again and a grown ass man put his hand down my shirt when I was drunk I would freeze. I understand her position and how gross it would make me feel. And honestly I believe not asking has caused alot of men to assume the girl they are hitting on is into it, just because she is scared to say no. There is no empathy in this comment section for a woman who was clearly hurt and spoke her mind. George will be ok he's a millionaire with little fanboys. Like you who love to defend assault.
Yea man let’s blame the freshly 18 year old girl for making bad decisions and not the man pushing 30 taking advantage of said bad decision, perfect logic 😹😹
@@Grimmick Do you expect George to be able to read her mind? She might have been scared and "unable to speak from the fear", but how is he supposed to know that?
I think both people are right in this situation. She probably experienced it in the way she spoke about it, but he had no way to know and his version of the story makes a bit more sense.
They were both drunk, its okay to feel weird about stuff like that when you werent sober while doing it but that also applies to him. The fact at hand is that alcohol clouds judgement on both sides. I dont think he meant anything by it. He seems to honestly believe hes innocent
Yes, like, I know a girl who were telling me and other her friend that she felt, likd, dirty and bad and all after one guy approach her and it was like sexual assault for her... I was there when it happens. Dude just was touching her shoulder while speaks to her about something like "yo hello how's your day" etc, etc. and then texted her few times until she exploded and text him how she disgusted by his behavior and he just stopped :D
I know few people that literally were freaked out and were saying people who were JUST TALKING TO THEM were interapting something... So yeah, sometimes people see something completely different
@@ejeggeggy4064Yeah, that pretty much checks out. As soon as alcohol gets into the mix, the situation becomes hazy, and it's hard to know what really went on.
@@ejeggeggy4064 This! It's not like she was the only one drunk and he was stone-cold sober. They were all drinking. With that fact and with the evidence that HE brought forward, I am almost concrete on my opinion. She has every right to feel bad about what happened and regret it; but that does NOT make it sexual assault. If she was truly laughing, smiling and DID get up multiple times then almost her entire story is disproven. It's a shame because I've actually only ever been a Caiti fan and, as a victim of rape, it's really difficult to hear someone over exaggerate something so insanely horrific to actually go through.
From the sounds of it, if she even once showed discomfort (like the elevator) he would have left her be. And that's that.
@@Naesyria yes you bring up incredible points, its good to see a responsible and respectful person helping to educate others on the platform (:
To all the people saying "this is just a misunderstanding" or "no one was in the wrong" , if George's version of events is accurate , and it should be pretty easy to corroborate with the other people who were there, then she is 100% in the wroong. She completely distorted and misrepresented the situation and falsely accused him of sexual assault when she was choosing to get up and then go back to cuddling him repeatedly.
If George's claims are true then this isn't a "it's no one's fault" situation, it would mean she outrageously falsely accused someone of of sexual assault which is extremely messed up and immoral and should be considered libel .
It's crazy to me that there seem to be a lot of people in the comments who believe George's claims yet also believe Catie did nothing wrong by falsely accusing him and trying to permanently ruin his reputation, his career and possibly his life.
If like what you said George's version was correct she's also comparing her situation to Shelby's which is disgusting in my opinion. Shelby was actually abused, she clearly set boundaries and when she said no, your going too far he crossed the boundary.
Silence isn't concent. But 80% of communcation is non-verbal, body langauge, eye contact, facial expression etc.
She lead him on and tricked him, then thought it'd be funny to throw a hissy later.
this is exactly what i was thinking!
thank youuuu, concent isn’t 100% verbal but also non-verbal such as the stuff you mentioned
Except non verbal is not constent just because she tricked him doesn’t mean it’s sexual assault
1. Cati never said her age
2. Cati was cuddling with a 26 year old man
3. GEORGE NEVER ABUSED HER
4. Cati was drinking underage
5. Cati took info out of context
6. If cati had such a regretful problem with it she should have talked to George and not share it on the internet were billions of people will comment hateful disgusting stuff and will get mad for taking sides
Amen to this.
Good summary
❤🙏
well said
Yes! Why would they do this publicly, something malicious is going on.
I choose to believe George because WHY did Caiti omit CRUCIAL details like - they were cuddling for an hour, her friends left and she chose to stay, she was drinking before she got to the hotel (underage), and she came from a vidcon party strictly for 21+??
THATS WHAT I WAS SAYING
EXACTLY!! but I hope she doesn’t get to much hate because I’d feel bad.
We stay believing George
Also as a woman her saying he put her hand under her clothes and going to places leaves ONE place in mind, imo, making him sound VERY bad. But around the waste under the shirt is, in my opinion, very different. Her leaving out those details and letting the viewer assume the worst is very manipulative.
@@virginiaf4117 I agree!! And people (and Caiti) keep saying she was “freshly 18 and got manipulated”. I’m a 19 year old woman and we’re not helpless lost bambi. she was surrounded by her friends and could have left at any given moment if she was truly uncomfortable. If she says it was because she was drunk.. she’s the one who chose to drink illegally
So she lied about her age and he is still apologizing? Not to mention her acting the whole time on stream? You can tell those are real emotions she felt but she diluted her mind into thinking that she was taken advantaged of when in all reality she practically is going for this mans whole career.
So what I'm hearing is this could've been easily avoided if Caiti didn't go to a *21+ party* while being "freshly 18" ahh 🤔
Fr
I do think what he said about her friends was right. REAL friends wouldn't take you to a party with +21 drunk people, real friends would have protected you. Real friends wouldn't manipulate you into talking months later. Those friends need to go OUT of your life. Take a break from streaming girl and the internet you need it.
And P.S: Taking advantage of what is happening with the real victim and wilbur guy is something horrible to do.
frrr
there's also saying the word no if u don't wanna drink, crazy isnt it
@@theskepticalmina ye, its sad ppl instantly believe some random girl. and i mean id never just accuse a random dude like that 😭
@@chloeeig Omg. I've seen so many videos calling George names, that they didn't like him... It's getting worse. People say always believe the victim, but how? If everyone is having panic attacks over just a hand touching their shoulder...
so your team George right
people saying he's still a sexual assaulter in his story, if a girl comes over to me and cuddles me and I slowly proceed to cuddle back im the assaulter?, she chose to come back to cuddle george every single time she got up, she was cuddling him back it wasnt just george doing the cuddling, and she was laughing and smiling the whole time, if she was uncomfortable then her friends supposedly could tell yet they did absolutely nothing, if she didnt want to be there she couldve talked to any one of them at any point she got up. if anything she didnt ask george for conesnt to cuddle with him, he was drinking too after all. clearly none of you know what intimacy is.
Absolutely
Yes you're an assaulter.
Exactly
i agree
He's a sexual assaulter.
Time stamps for people who want to come back to certain things ^^
Intro: 0:00 - 2:06
A bit of context: around 2:10 - 3:10
Dream uncomfortability of the group going to go to the hotel + getting into the hotel: 3:10 - 4:13
Flirting? + Caitibugzz assuming George knew her age due to Instagram: 4:14 - 4:50
George having trouble with getting into VidCon + mentions of high security in VidCon: 4:51 - 5:13
Caitibugzz having over 21 wrist band?: 5:16 - 5:30
George not looking/seeing her instagram bio: 5:37 - 5:41
End of first night: 5:42 - 5:50
Day/Night two of VidCon: 5:51 - 6:05
George's online friend: 6:06 - 6:30
Dream's invite to George to come to his room: 6:31 - 6:40 ish
Group trying to get Dream to go out again: 6:41 - 6:59
Group going to Dream's room: 7:00 - 7:20
Caitibugzz story about one of her friends were invited by Dream: 7:21 - 8:06
Caitibugzz not mentioning George's online friend or the 6th, 7th, or 8th person: 8:09 - 8:20
Group had already been drinking at party + asking to play drinking games: 8:21 - 9:05
George sitting next to Caitibugzz on the couch: 9:06 - 9:22
Caitibugzz gave no indication she was uncomfortable: 9:22 - 9:30
Age brought up again: 9:31 - 9:40
Two people left the hotel room: 9:41 - 9:53
Caitibugzz "resorting to playing games on her phone to avoid the awkward situation": 9:54 - 11:00
George and Caitibugzz cuddling together: 11:01 - 11:36
Caitbugzz answering a question about her age: 11:37 - 12:06
Insisting on drinking more: 12:08 - 12:35
George slipping his hand under Caiti's clothes: 12:36 - 13:49
George being overly cautious with consent: 13:50 - 13:53
Nothing got over than just under the shirt touching: 13:54 - 14:06
Caiti going along with George: 14:07 - 14:14
Disguising the touching with asking if Caiti was ticklish: 14:15 - 14:30
"He made a game out of my embarrassment": 14:31 - 15:03
"Silence is not consent": 15:05 - 15:34
Caiti standing up to go to the bathroom or something: 15:35 - 15:57
Best friend leaving + Caiti staying behind: 15:58 - 16:24
"I went to leave and the older guy decided to leave too" 16:25 - 16:46
Broken elevator: 16:47 - 17:39
Looking back at it feelings, not at the moment feelings: 17:40 - 17:43
End of night / Last time George saw Caiti: 17:44 - 17:50
Messaged a bit after: 17:51 - 18:21
Both of them in London: 18:22 - 18:48
George being shocked after seeing her stream: 18:49 - 19:45
George found out her real age: 19:46 - 19:58
Last message: 19:59 - 20:10
Caiti making George look bad: 20:10 - 20:38
George feels terrible about Caiti regretting their affection: 20:39 - 20:59
Looking back at it feelings, not at the moment feelings PT.2: 21:00 - 21:15
George's similar scenario: 21:16 - 22:15
George separating the accusations from abuse: 22:16 - 22:40
No sign of discomfort: 22:41 - 23:00
Why would Caiti come out and say it like that?: 23:01 - 23:14
Caiti friend group despising George: 23:15 - 23:55
Caiti's friend noticing her and asking if she's okay: 23:56 - 24:33
Caiti being surrounded by friends that despise George may change the way she sees the experience: 24:34 - 25:28
The end C:
thank u :]
people on YT use their brains WAYYY more than twitter people do...
bold of you to assume that people on twitter possess a coherent and functional brain.
should he have asked for verbal consent ? yes
are caiti's feelings and regrets valid ? yes
is george an abuser or sexual assaulter because of this ? absolutely not
as far as we can tell there was no malicious intent from either side and clearly a miscommunication issue was very much present especially considering that both of them were overly drunk. This is a difficult topic to discuss since it is not all black and white and while yes george made a mistake assuming her age and assuming that she consented, he definitely does not deserve to be thrown into the same category as actual abusers and rapists.
This seems like something that should've been discussed in private due to the fact that all of the online involvement is making everything so much worse.
At the end of the day it is important to remember that silence is not consent and that you should always believe victims but also understand that sometimes things aren't as simple as they may seem. You can do bad and stupid things without any ill intent and you need to take accountability but that doesn't make you a criminal.
caiti's regret is incredibly valid and I hope she heals properly from this.
george is innocent too but I also hope he learns from all of this to avoid ever making someone feel like this again.
You said this perfectly, I’ve been trying to summarize my thoughts and I think this basically captures it
Thank you
Very well said, but calling someone a pedo is outrageous without valid proof.
you don’t touch someone you barely know while they’re drunk without verbal consent what the fuck
@@floccinaucinihilipilificat6749 thank you because if there is no consent there should be no touching
i believe george. why would Cati go back if she felt uncomfortable? She said she had proof but never showed it.
she wants to be a victim so bad its hilarious
Fr
Idk her or her story, I'm haven't seen the video and don't want to choose sides, however: I went through trauma as a kid myself, my response was freeze to begin with, I felt shame for not pushing away or saying anything, but I was a scares lit kid.. then it became more violent, mind you I was a child,(fight, flight, freeze, fawn) so I tried to push them away and they over powered me and I got physically hurt because of it (on 2 occasions) later in life, I thought it would never happen to me again, when I was an adult, going through a mental health crisis, I ended up meeting someone I thought was sweet at a recovery centre, tldr; he took advantage of me and r worded me and I reacted differently, I didn't fight him off as it had gone wrong before, I was deeply ashamed and couldn't comprehend what happened to me, I was already in a crisis and because the first person who hurt me lived with me, It messed me up, so when he wanted to hang out more, I kept doing it, I kept getting drunk after that, I had feelings for him to some degree but also I did tell him not to do stuff to me and he didn't listen, I had no spine, I was new to alcohol and on new medication, I was suffering and didn't know how to process it. He did stuff to me while I was unconscious and every single time I ended up bl**ing or bl00dy, (I know I shouldn't have let him come in my unit again, he was 2-3 rooms away from me at the place I stayed at) my home life was bad, I was humiliated and I couldn't cope. I wanted to believe he'd stop, he said (before the first time) that he'd never do anything to me under the influence, I trusted him (my fault) he got me dr*nk, (he did pressure me into it the first time)
He later admitted to me that he "touched me in my sleep" after I had blacked out.
That was 6 years ago next month, of course now that I'm older and after many years of serious therapy, many psychiatrists, therapists and SA counsellors, lots of medications and whatnot, I started rebuilding my will to live.
Being too scared to physically stop someone is a valid reason, having feelings for the person but not wanting to do anything like tjat is also a valid reason, for me, I initially had feelings and then I felt guilt, shame and I didn't want to cause a scene or more problems, I felt bad for him and I suffered from being a people pleaser, (I wasn't trying to please him, I was just scared to make things into a bigger issue when the whole reason I was there was because I couldn't handle my stuff) I was very mentally unwell and couldn't defend myself very well in situations like this. I didn't say he could do what he did to me, I 100% made mistakes, absolutely, but it still doesn't equate to consent. I haven't seen this video yet, but not all people react the same, people need to be educated on the importance of consent, 100%
I said no to something in particular as well and he said "well I'm going to do it anyway"
Everyone acts differently in their own personal scenarios, but if you tell them beforehand you won't do something, you ask them to do certain things and they say no, you're at fault...for myself I can't drink alc0hol anymore
Tldr,; I continued to be r worded by someone for over a week because of shock, guilt, self hatred and previous trauma, because I didn't run outside doesn't mean I consented to it...
This situation, I won't speculate on, but not all victims respond the same to these kinds of things
@@nyonika591fr.
she might not want to show it tho?
So she lied about being 21? Sounds like a great person to be around.
I'm so sorry Georgy you're having to go through this! I hope this passes soon, thank you for all you do and please take care of yourself in these times! Take care x
I swear people that play Minecraft are getting accused of crap. This isn’t funny anymore and it honestly wasn’t funny in the first place.
I know!!
They started with Dream with the MOST STUPIDEST allegations ever
Yes it is a serious topic but the proof was OBVIOUSLY fake and people still hated on him for no reason not to say they jokes about it too
With Wilbur they did the same they're joking about something serious
(I'm sorry ⟟ phrased it wrong. I'm trying to say that people are joking about abuse ⟟ do know the Wilbur situation is true I'm sorry ⟟ made it sound like ⟟ believe it's false)
ew@@Tariii_Accx
@@Tariii_AccxThere’s literal proof that Wilbur did what he did.. you guys want to defend these shitty ass people. Dreams not a fucking saint either. You say “joking” it’s not a joke. Wilbur abused someone.
@@Tariii_Accx you are aware the wilbur situation isnt a joke?
they were both shitfaced, supposedly cuddling for an hour, and he doesn't know her age. it was just a recipe for disaster destined to hit big and it did. i would call this more of a massive misunderstanding between the two rather than assault in my opinion
she looked rly young at vidcon lol
this is it
@@overstimulating I’m 21 but can pass as 17. if i was at a club or a bar, I’m not expecting anyone to ask for my age 😭
This whole story is way over blown and could have been avoided if Caiti just handled things privately with George instead of going public!
bruh this isn't even massive, its the most tiny ass shit that doesn't mean anything tbh, they flirted at a party that's it
She was underage drinking and is blaming other ppl for it🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
smh she’s dragged this out of proportion this is so insulting to actual victims
literally. it's actually insulting to real victims of SA
caiti is an attention seeker and wishes she got the attention that shelby got. its a hit in the face to those like shelby who actually had something really bad happen@@nv_deleted7843
People comparing this to Wilbur are dumb. Wilbur did something awful and wrong. George did not
Yup
trueee
Wilbur didn't do anything, it was definitely fake, just like every other fucking allegation
George literally admitted to non-consensually groping her. Pls get a grip.
Still shocked about the Wilbur situation.
so she claimed to get anxiety every time seeing ur face or name or anything about u but then msg u for a whole year straight ok girl 😭
Shes a liar
its so embarrassing rewatching that now like bruh
this sounds like she got salty about him ghosting her and decided to ruin his life, what a shame
As a victim of SA MULTIPLE times over I felt like I was watching the Amber Heard trials all over again when I found her original stream.
MULTIPLE TIMES!?
Oh god, I hope you are in a better environment.
did you report the SA to police?
Let's get real here. George had solid evidence to back up his side, something Caiti was sorely lacking. She just read from a script and shed some tears. Why does she get to do that while George doesn't even get a fair shot?
And let's not be naive about the current climate. Accusations like these are flying left and right, and it's too damn easy for someone to make up a sob story and ride the wave of public outrage. We need to think straight and not follow the media without both sides.
I was trying to stay neutral, waiting for George to speak up. But now that he has, it's clear this is just another case of jealous nobodies trying to take down successful creators. Atp the whole minecraft community is getting dragged on...
And don't give me that "consent is complicated" crap. Caiti kept coming back to George, and he didn't force her. They even kept texting after and in the end it was GEORGE who stopped conversing after he found out what her age was. Let's face it, without any text proof, Caiti's story doesn't hold water. Crying and reading from a script don't make it any more believable.
Let's not forget, Caiti's story was a whole other ball game compared to George's. She claimed they were forced into drinking games by George and his friends but then they were were the ones who were all in for it. And the age thing? She says George knew, but it wasn't confirmed that he actually knew. They kinda forced their way into the party. Plus they were wearing 21 and over bracelets so how the actual hell would George know that she was 18 if he didn't hear her nor read her instagram bio.
And if her excuse is that she regrets being so affectionate, well, that's just rich. Good on her for reflecting, but don't go spreading lies about creators just because you had a change of heart after the fact.
Spot on comment
I agree with everything you said say it louder for the people on twt!!
I AGREEEEE🗣️
yis
agree with this word for word ✊🏿
this honestly feels like post-incident regret on Caiti's end. I've done plenty of things I was participating in at the time, only to realize later that I regret ever doing it. george raises some very good points here, and I'm glad he did take some time to organize his thoughts. he didn't expressly state it, but it seems like everyone in this situation was drunk, and therefore NONE of them were making informed decisions. she was touching him, as well. is there only one victim when both adults were impaired? even when disconnecting the situation from the creator, i don't see how this is sexual assault.
THATS WHAT IM SAYING!!!!
its so unfair tho, to accuse someone of SA just because you regretted doing the things you did with the person. she stayed behind even after her friends left but then also claimed that she was so scared that she couldnt move.
Btw u can’t consent legally while drunk :)
@@sumplayss ig they sa'd eachother then
@@sumplayss they were both intoxicated, they both were not in their right minds.
It's nice to see people in this comment section talking more sense than the brainless idiots on twitter
Konata enjoyer
George: I’m innocent with proof *shows valid proof*
Twitter: Nuh uh!
I hate how mant people immediately assumed you were a bad person as soon as the allegations came out. I hare when people make things like this so public because it ruins image
Literally 😕
hes been a bad person since he tried to be the center of attention at a cancer charity event. innocent, guilty, i dont care. he isnt a likeable person if hes trying to get all eyes on him
@@kensterfr33k But that's just your opinon.
I'm not on either side but GOD DAMN why the internet FIRST but not the POILICE?
What about caiti's friends and families? Does she not reach out to them first?
I could be a dumbass cause i don't know the whole story...
@@thisboihavealotofchannelju3936 ik she honestly should have texted him in private at least to make him aware of how she felt.
This is exactly why we should stick with 'innocent until proven guilty'. Much respect to George for respectfully explaining the situation
Can we just agree that miscommunication isn't sexual assault and that the easy solution to miscommunication is to say something clear and concise about the situation? If they continue to do what you told them not to, that's when it becomes sexual assault.
well saidd
@@Extraaaa Thank you. The thing is, no one ever mentions that most of the time, physical and sexual advances are communicated non-verbally. In fact, communicating it verbally could potentially ruin the mood. Imagine someone asking permission every time they move their hands. "can I touch you here? can I move my hand lower?" If someone did that to me, I'll call it a night
UA-cam comments > twitter brainrot
In about half and hour I’ll ether be happy or in disbelief
Fr
Same
I'll be back in 30 ish mins 🫡
I am happy.
I have some bad news …
First of all, George provided us just concrete evidence, which may I remind Caiti DID NOT have. The only thing she did is reading from a pre-written text and cried. Why is it that she was allowed to read from a pre-written text and George doesn’t have the same rights?
Second of all, yall need to stop and think about it for a second. The hot topic at this moment is just about big ccs being accused of sa and yall need to understand just how easy it is for ppl and make up a big lie and then take advantage of the present controversy to lure the crowd to their side. Please judge with a clear mind.
I have been taking a neutral stance and waiting for George’s turn to speak before judging. But now I know and yes the situation is just how I imagined it. it’s just another day of those broke people finding a way to bring big creators down and ruin their careers. You cannot be so dumb to not think of that scenario. If her case is indeed so true then why cant I see any text evidence? Not some mere words written down for her to read and sob on stream but clear and justified proof.
And no, consent is not just yes or no. She kept coming back to him, he didn’t tell her to do that. Just look at the texts between them. It should be solved privately if she was truly assaulted in any way but she just decided to make it public.
(small note: everything I said here, I had just posted them on X/Twitter. So I kind of pasted them and combined all of my posts into 1 comment so that you guys can understand my stance as well as many others’ on this topic. My X is lisangy_ if yall want to talk or maybe discuss more with me about this problem.)
She came out now cause of Shubble she felt ready
period!!!
@@orlaith_2910but then why would she keep texting him after being “assaulted”
@@orlaith_2910 did you not read everything I just commented? How is it that you cannot think of how easy it is to take advantage of the current controversy of sa and then lure everyone who is as denial and naive as you to their side. At the end of the day, it’s just big creators’ careers being completely destroyed over a ridiculous lie and accusation
i need this comment pinned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn he handled that so well. Sucks that that happened to him to
This whole situation is like if you were to give someone a gift, then regret giving the gift, so you call the gift receiver a thief 💀
People saying that a smile doesn't equal consent are clearly reducing his story to an absurd degree. He wasn't only relying on the smiles and laughs (which can actually already be a sign that you are happy about something or that you are enjoying something), it was the fact that she kept going back to him, even after going to the bathroom or to say goodbye to her friends, she kept going back to cuddling with him.
Any person that's tried to flirt with anyone in their lives knows that George's actions and understanding of the situation are completely logical. If you've had your hand around another person's waist the whole time, they get up and back to that position and even show themselves reciprocal about it through actions, I think makes the message very clear: they want to be there.
The story she's telling makes it look like this crazy akward scenario where everyone is being witness of an abuse (even her best friend), she's showing herself uncomfortable (even when she said she tried to not show it "because everyone was watching", because it's contradictory if you claim that and then say that you would literally freeze and stay quiet the whole time) and nobody's even reacting to it. The story he's telling is making it look like a NORMAL social interaction.
I stand with George.
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Also, plz remember she wasn't the only one intoxicated there. Both of them were drunk.
wait till you find out none of that is a sign of consent and everyone is different in uncomfortable situations 😨
Agreed. It honestly seems like a lot of the people immediately jumping at his throat have never even been in a sexual experience because going off of body language and enthusiasm is totally normal and healthy.
Nervous laughter and smiles exist… when i was assaulted i was scared to do anything because the people in the room had power over me so i just played along because what else can i do? Risk losing everything?
@@unusandannuscasketyou are actually stupid.
@@unusandannuscasket there is actually a thing called non verbal consent, and this is what I mean with my comment: if you've been in a flirty mood with someone, you know that what George understood from that interaction was completely logical. From her actions (not only reactions), she was showing herself comfortable with it, even if she regretted it later on, which is just as valid.
It is true that everyone reacts differently to uncomfortable situations, but what I'm saying is that even what she said about her own reactions was contradictory: she first said she was going along with it because she didn't want to make a scene out of it and then she said that she would freeze, stay quiet and get up to get out of that situation... Still, she skipped the part where she would go back over and over again to that uncomfortable situation by going back to cuddling with George, or going to the elevator with him when she didn't have to...
Everyone trying to hop on sapnap when he wasn’t even there
FRR i kept seeing people say Sapnap should rot in hell as well, WHEN HE WASNT EVEN THERE
@@zolove_ brutal 😭
thats what im saying
the punz allegations mention sapnap
I think it was cause of him still associating with George after his statement on a call about him saying something about barging in on a girl in the shower
twitter is an actual hell hole
Normal people:
1: hey last night I wasn’t comfortable with what we were doing on the couch
2: oh my bad I totally misread the situation I apologise for making you feel uncomfortable I how we can remain friends
1: oh it’s okay I should’ve voiced my boundaries but I still had a good time.
2: and I should’ve asked to clarify I guess us being drunk and newly introduced made us both inept in picking up eachothers cues
Minecraft UA-camrs
Caiti: I was brutally and savagely assaulted by a man I just met
George: WHAT THE FUCK
Sounds abt right
Lmaoo
So george did touch her.... but respectfully and didnt want to make her uncomfortable. And she didnt mind until months later it happened???
A year later I think
@@nowh_8808 wow
she said in her video she always felt awful about it! why do you guys know nothing about what she said? why did you only watch this. this happened in the summer and she came out with it now because shelby was brave enough to come forward with her story. use your heads!
You can think it’s not SA if you want BUT I don’t think you understand SA.
Victims often times don’t understand that it was wrong until later, the feeling can get worse after time and sometimes It’s hard to come out with your feelings especially if that person is looked upon by many others .
Since it’s originally an Sexual assault it’s still gonna hurt SA victims with word like this.
@@rainstorm.or maybe. Just maybe? She saw how much attention Shelby got over a real allegation and decided to jump on the bandwagon for that same attention. Use your head maybe
this is so out of character for george to discuss his private life with that much detail, which makes me believe him tbh… (i literally have not watched or know who caitie or wtvr is)
he needs to speak out since he is being accused of Sa. i recommend watching her side of the story too
Istg this whole thing just made me depressed. Im not a fan of him for 4-5 years but im a new fan but seeing people talking crap about him all over Twitter just made me really upset. It was so devastating watching ur fav people get so much hate without any proof
I was wondering how he was gonna speak on it. His streams are usually very fun and have an almost teasing vibe. (sorry if that doesn’t make sense) He was very serious and detailed which, like you said, he is usually very private with his outside life. His story makes sense, and I’m so happy it does because idk what I would have done if it didn’t. If Caiti is hurt/traumatized by this experience then I will hope in her healing and recovery. I continue to support victims and that will never change.
Also wilbur needs to take notes. This is how his apology should have been.
@@BjornBjergsen i actually just took a look at it and honestly she seems believable, and it makes sense what shes saying. theres just certain things she didnt speak out on that arent matching what george said, such as the cuddling. i understand her point of view but what i dont understand is at what point was she sober and doing the things she was doing? idk theres js so many questions i have for both sides😭😭
@@blueure2443 here’s some facts:
george did not ask for age. you can assume someone’s age of a wristband especially when it comes to sexual things like putting your hands under someone’s skirt
george did not ask if she was ok with it. he assumed things based of drunken body language
george did touch her without consent under her skirt. he said he is a big consent guy, yet states he never asked her if she was ok with being touched
body language isn’t enough for consent. you can’t just assume things. he should’ve known better since she looked very young first of all, she had her age in her bio very clearly, and he never asked how she was feeling about it
what annoys me the most is how many of george’s friends/acquaintances sided with caiti, even before he posted his response. they either unfollowed him or bashed him with angry tweets. like, you’re CONTENT CREATORS. not children who have no sexual experience like twitter users. but they’re acting just as immature and childish as twitter users are, probably just to save their career and not risk getting hate. really goes to show real friends vs fake friends.
thank god dream and sapnap are still friends with george and know it’s just a mistake, or even a mistake at all for that matter. it doesn’t sound plausible to me that they would betray george like this, especially since they’ve known each other for so many years.
bottom line tho, i just hope george is getting support in his personal life and seeing the support on youtube. i hate how his mental health, reputation, career, and friendships have been ruined because of this girl who was mildly uncomfortable in a cuddling session. i hope you’re happy, caiti🖕
I feel bad for George to be handling those accusations, over such a small thing. And for her to say, 'drunk' at a party, means that she lied about her age, as legal drinking ages most of the time is 21, and it doesn't even make sense, George is literally down right a good person, and wouldn't even think of doing such things.
I stand my ground as George being innocent.
i just don’t understand why she didn’t leave when her friends did if she hated it that much? why go back to sit w geo after getting a drink, going to the toilet, saying bye to your friends? that was her chance to leave if she wanted too, but she didn’t take it?? why not??
True
exactly. even in her live stream, she was fake crying so bad and didnt even provide proof-
I was thinking the literal same.
I agree
Did she’s ever also say that happened? Cause if she didn’t it’s just 1 persons word against another
I think while silence is not consent, the fact she kept coming back and even messaged him after, as well as not showing any signs of discomfort, and wasnt being forced to drink can show that george at least didnt have any bad intentions and if he knew how she was uncomfortable then he would've stopped. All in all, poor communication, but caiti is still allowed to have regrets and that may be why she remembers it the way she does, so instead of calling her a liar, we can still support and validate her feelings, but in the case where it was miscommunicated and poorly explained, i personally am not a fan of george but we can give him a bit of slack.
yeah it’s still fair that caiti feels how she feels and i hope she doesn’t receive hate for speaking out but i think it was a bit unfair for her to call him a assaulter
@@airithieI hope she does. Do you not realize what she did? She completely lied about a large creator to get clout because another big creator was recently exposed. Her “testimony” is a joke and not a funny one at that. She makes it harder for real survivors to be heard and she deserves any of the flack she gets for this, because those are the consequences of her actions.
She shouldn’t have sent people to hate monger after George with a bunch of lies if she wasn’t ready to receive hate.
I despise this woman for being such a poor liar and a sorry excuse for a content creator.
Poor bro cannot even try to find a girlfriend in peace 😭😭
The Difference Between UA-cam Comments & Twitter Posts:
UA-cam - 100,000 Big Brain IQ
Twitter - -100,000 Brain Rot IQ
Both communities are pretty braindead, UA-cam's just slightly less so.
@@Eren-px2srslightly less is kind of an understatement ngl. youtube's community is probably the least braindead social media community.
I don’t understand how it is difficult for people on Twitter to take everything with a grain of salt. Just because Wilbur is an abuser doesn’t mean George is too. One side of the story comes out and everyone immediately attack creators that weren’t even involved (Sapnap). Some of these people on Twitter most likely care more about destroying people’s lives than supporting victims of sexual assault. Smh wait for the whole story to come out.
LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK 🗣🔥🗣🔥🗣🔥
wilbur?
@@OmmitpieHindiGaming yeah he pushed past his ex’s boundaries by biting her harder even after she would scream her safe word(so he would let go but he would bite harder before letting go causing bruises n stuff) and he was just not the vibe with other things too
Edit: his “apology” was also self centered
Right, btw they both were drunk so it makes no sense.
@@JustIcey22Wilbur's 'apology' isn't even an apology. He never said sorry. Not once.
The people who accuse streamers of shit like this don't realize how much it could ruin their lives.
FRRR i hate how george is getting death threats :((
Ik and when one starts they all do now tubbo WITCH MAKES NO SENSE bc tubbo can drive and punz witch I can't find stuff on the topic and the dream thing is not true
as for Wilbur I'm on shelbys side
No. They understand that perfectly. That's why they do it.
Ironically…they do. 😅
"Do not send hate to catie" this man is just wow awesome, love you George keep going
people are literally ignoring the fact that she's FRESHLY 18 at a 21+ party and drinking underage
wait doesnt that mean they should all be arrested
Why is everyone getting accused of stuff now goddamn
I hate to say it but I think it's because of Shelby coming out about Wilbur. Of course she had every right to and I'm not saying that she shouldn't have but anti's who have been trying to shut down the DSMP for years now have leverage because of people knowing for a fact that Wilbur is an abuser so they're probably just trying to shut them all down. At least, that's the conclusion me and my sibling came to
ur pfp is a good reaction to ur statement
It’s definitely the buzz word right now to call people abusers and groomers. It’s disgusting and annoying.
It’s minetoo
“Everyone” like who dude??? That just means everyone YOU like to watch is doing awful things.
It's very wrong to make such accusations that can ruin someone's life. You did a great job explaining everything and defending yourself.
she was not trying to ruin his life. she wouldn’t do that. she had her perspective of things, and she was drunk. he had his. they are different. caiti is a victim, as she never consented to being touched. however, george is not an abuser. george was not attempting to hurt her in any way. caiti isn’t a horrible person, and neither is george.
@@citrusleaveslikeyourdad thank you!
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@@citrusleaveslikeyourdadthen discuss in privately why tf bring it to public knowing how the internet is nowadays she clearly had malicious intentions
@@damnbammam2097 george already said he doesn’t think she had malicious intent. in my opinion, she was manipulated by her friends to bring it to public. i think her friends had malicious intent, but she didn’t.
both parties was at fault. but its not all on George. Caiti lied about her age, snuck up to a 21+ convention with a 21+ badge, knowing she was going to drink alcohol (idk the legal drinking age, but in many places its for sure 20+) Even then, you all should be aware. Two things can be true at once, while it may have been wrong for George (who also was drunk) to do what he did, Caiti was also stupid to put herself in that situation knowingly, there would be drunk boys older than her present. Smh, that's my reasoning and opinion.
Cancelled over tickling and cuddling, it's an evil online world we live in...
u can tell 99% of these people have never had any sexual experience with someone they like cause 99.999% of the time nobody is asking for a verbal yes, if you are giving hints that you are trying to advance the relationship and they respond to those hints by play fighting with you and smiling and laughing and sitting next to you, that is almost as valuable as a verbal yes. and who tf js says "can i touch u?" like thats one way to kill the whole vibe lmaooo. half of ya'll are chronically online 14 year olds that have no idea how the real world works
Yeah so true. "Ummm may I touch your vagina" would be such a turn-off
I’ve been asked before and it doesn’t kill the mood for me at all, it just makes me appreciate that person even more for asking if I’m okay with it.
Exactly what I'm saying, who goes up to someone and says "do you consent" 💀 also the fact she stayed with him shows that she consented
Tell that to amber heard and the metoo movement. LMAO
I do it all the time
I ask random women "Do you want to have sex?" and they all say yes
This is how it works. You have to ask them politely and get their verbal consent, and then you continue the deed.
Not helping George or anything but he did provide evidence on his POVs (such as the 21+ band and screenshots) while caiti did only talk with a script on her phone
yeah but the prrof is literally just about them wanting to go ti the hotel and play a game. theres no proof she was comfortable with him theres no proof she and her friends wanted to drink more, theres no concrete evidence that she was comfortable in that situation.
@@niyah6121 George literally put a screenshot in the video where Caiti and her friends wrote that they wanted to play the drinking game from the previous night so there IS evidence that they wanted to drink more :)
also if she wasn't comfortable with the situation then why did she act like what George said and why didn't she do anything about it?
@@isarabi_ the wanted to play most likely to.. which CAN be a drinking game but nowhere does it say "dream whats the DRINKING game from yesterday" shes asking about the app.
george was drunk his judgement on her behavior couldve been VERY clouded. she never once gave him verbal consent to touch her. he even admits it himself. he touched up under her shirt and he barely knew her. she mentioned her age DUTING THE GAME and he just so happens to have not heard it. fine. she was under the influence and underage to be drinking & just because she didnt say no, or stop doesn't mean it's a yes. it doesnt give him the right to touch her unless she consented VERBALLY and even then she was TOO DRUNK to give consent. idk why she decided to go back after leaving her friends but that still doesnt mean she was comfortable. she could've felt like she had to stay because she was 'lucky'. i dont know and you dont know and neither does george. LISTEN TO VICTIMS
@@niyah6121 “She could’ve felt like she had to stay because she was lucky.” No. No one including George stopped or forced her to stay beside him, if she was uncomfortable then why didn’t she leave? Even if she somehow felt like she had to stay here and would keep staying next to him, that can already be mistakenly assumed as a sign of consent from George’s perspective.
@@keikoizawa8104 yeah but its not. and its people like you who make it hard for victims to come out. she was naive, she said it herself. from personal experiences its not easy to walk away, its not easy to notice it either sometimes you don't have the realization until after the fact, there's so many things that she couldve done yes but that doesn't take away from the fact that she did not consent. if you have a BASIC understanding of consent then you know it needs to be verbal and when the person is NOT under the influence. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
As a man, i don’t know what SA or an uncomfortable scenario such as what caiti is describing feels like, but I think this is the most stupid allegation possible, where is not only george most likely innocent, but the worst case scenario which would have him as “guilty” is him touching another woman on her waist, if you don’t like it just say you don’t, its not that deep. I think its offensive to make this kind of an allegation for women who have actually been raped, beat up and forced into sex, that’s when you can be “too scared to even breathe” this is just a clout chasing girl trying to ruin someone’s career for money and attention, honestly despicable.
Interesting, this cancelation cases happen too much yeah
Tl;dr. - She lied about her age, took her friend to another guy's place, got drunk with everyone, cuddled with george for hours, left, came back, and continued to text him for several days afterwards
George found out she was 18, stopped talking to her, she found out she couldnt mooch off the clout from him this way, *PLAN B*
I watched her video of accusing him and it's really hard to look at now without giving a straight face
Honestly, Even with the victim saying that the 21+ Wristband was not hers, this creates another glaring issue:
*_How was she able to sneak into a 21+ Party, AND be allowed to drink?_*
Did they just not check her ID or something? Did they not ask for it? Honestly, regulations are needed.
And personal responsibility is needed. Why are we acting like she's a toddler that needs any alcohol within her vicinity to be child-proofed? She's an ADULT. She willingly got drunk beforehand, and then knowingly sneaked into a 21+ party with alcohol, proceeded to drink some more, and yet somehow none of that is her fault? She chose to do all of that.
@@pey5571 It's absolutely her fault, and the fault of her friends.
girls under 21 being allowed into clubs/parties? (shocking)
@@CoolDriftyIt's not good.
@@pey5571you watch papa gut?😂
She has shit friends.
Leaving her there
Letting her drink when she wasnt of age
Letting her engage with a person like this without being able to tell she was umcomfy or not.
She needs better friends, these people probably did push her to say these things and wanted to ride the wilbur heat and make another big issue.
Yeah, that's pretty much my thought process here.
She _absolutely_ needs better friends. Honestly, I think most of this fault lies on her friends.
OMG yeah, her friends even show hate towards dream and his friends.. I don't trust it.
Letting her? She was old enough to make better decisions. What happened to the whole “strong independent women!” thing? Oh…that’s only a thing when it suits them? When it doesn’t they are all fragile little snowflakes that need everyone’s protection and help. Hypocrites! Manipulators.
It’s sad that George needs to explain to the whole internet an intimate moment to prove his innocence.
George, you are being way too forgiving to this liar who is trying to ruin your life for no reason other than to get attention. You need to stand up for yourself and take her to court for defamation.
This was explained so well. I have been watching George for so long and I personally can tell that he is being so honest and open about it. He explains where he might have gone wrong or agrees to things that happened but none of which were in ill intentions. It sounds like there were plenty of opportunities to leave if someone was uncomfortable or like he said, you can regret it after, but in no way does someone deserve wrongful accusations, especially in this scenario- much love and support to you!
u can tell 99% of these people have never had any sexual experience with someone they like cause 99.999% of the time nobody is asking for a verbal yes, if you are giving hints that you are trying to advance the relationship and they respond to those hints by play fighting with you and smilling and laughing and sitting next to you, that is almost as valuable as a verbal yes. and who tf js says "can i touch u?" like thats one way to kill the whole vibe lmaooo
and they was cuddling the whole time so idk what to tell yall 😂😂😂
thadt what i was thinking like it would ruin a whole mood
These are the peeps who've never had an actual irl relationship
@@t4bun_200there literally 14 years olds who just have no idea how the real world works
The problem is if u dont ask for consent u get situations like this
she is 18.,... he is 26... Why are these kids freaking out? both are adults?
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We must respect this man for not only asking us to not send hate when it all started with her explaining her story
Silence is not consent, BUT regret is not assault either !!!!!
you should have stopped at silence is not consent. the fact you think its regret thats eating away at this girl is disturbing because she bever said yes to begin with.
@@prcfound did you read her chats with her friend that she posted? she literally said “in the moment I was chilling”
@@dabadeeebecause she was drunk at the moment. are you dense?
@@KittyDarlingYT then same thing applies to george then
@@dabadeee when I’m drunk, I’m not SAing people. That logic doesn’t apply to him, silly.
I'm glad this apology wasn't like Wilbur's!! he addressed it so respectfully that it gives me hope for minecraft youtubers!
@@goldenruby4 he didnt put any blame on her or her friends he was just saying the full story and it was at america in vidcon everyone had to be 21+ and they had the 21+ wrist bands so its normal for george to asume that Caiti is 21+ if you even watched the start he meant no hate to caiti or her friends
@@goldenruby4Where’s her proof now. Show me pictures. Just because you said it does not mean it’s true. I can say you rape me and did not give any evidence. Since people tend to jump the gun they will also blame you despite me showing any evidence.
@@goldenruby4 proof that she isn't wearing the patch. George said she wore it. Her friends said she didn't. So I want proof from her friend cause George is the only one showing proof.
it was actually manipulated just like wilburs but because hes talking you can see the bullshit
Right except this isn't an apology he's telling his side
touch some ones stomach one year ago while both drunk = get accused of sexual assault
Bro had the receipts and twitter still attacked him then made him confess to something he didn't even do. What a cesspool. Just because George is a Minecraft creator and it's a meme that they're groomba's that's such a weird reason to pick him as a target