Lol I like that, sounds like she had a good sense of humor. I know Anna Gunn got a lot of hate for Skylar White in BB.... if you’re that hated by audiences then maybe you’re doing your job pretty well 😛
The best manipulators are those who don’t let their victims know they’re being manipulated but instead act as if they’ve got their victims best interests at heart.
@DoogieBowser Hey dude I grew up in a manipulative family, my father being the worst. dominate the situation or failing that keep your brother at arms length. You ll pay otherwise. I learnt that the hard way.
@@pushuppoppies8718 Try everybody who’s ever been in the White House, ever. Congratulations on Joe Biden by the way 😅 No doubt he’ll bring more energy to the White House...
I had one when I was in first grade. I think my mind blocks that year out a lot but she really disliked me because I was a slow learner I think. She would put me down and everything I made she would ignore while praising other kids. I remember struggling in Math class and writing down the numbers on a peice of paper, she sent me to the principal's office for that and rather than help me learn or figure out what was wrong, she kept putting me down more and more as the year went on and saying smartass comments about me infront of the class. Meanwhile she's not exactly like nurse Ratched, she just reminds me of her.
Katana Katz : how horrid, she’s worse than Nurse Ratchet .... as you were a child. Disgusting!! I had a sister who had someone like that, she didn’t ever like school again. It was a necessary evil for her.
What makes Nurse Ratched such a terrifying villain is that she is a real world monster who could be any petty tyrant authority figure or bully that we've all encountered at some point.
Yeah, Jean Luc Picard, whose arch-nemesis was a villian who wore a twirly mustache (the one time he got punched out by a hero that said "I'm NOT PICARD!")
2 Corinthians Chapter 11 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
@@SovereignStatesman I’ve seen a lot of your comments. I previously saw the film maybe 10 years ago. Isn’t all of the main character’s problems ultimately his own fault as he plead insanity to get out of jail for his crimes? In that way he thought he could just trick and manipulate everyone, but instead his malingering was punished and crushed by the system?
Nurse Ratched is a brilliant villain because she exposes how easy it is to treat people like animals when the system is on your side. You can keep going home with a contented smile every night, knowing that you've "done your job," never needing to ponder the consequences of your actions.
Not just the system: the mental health system, it's worse than the KKK in the postbellum south. Meanwhile prisoners have far more rights despite being convicted criminals.
@@ToyotaGuy1971 That's what happens with punitive psychiatry: i.e. you get bully-bureaucrats destroying civil rights under the guise of "treatment;" that's why mental hospitals were closed down, since they had fewer rights than CRIMINALS in PRISONS.
@@SovereignStatesman You don't destroy civil rights, you can _violate_ them, but they're still there, and they can be defended, if you can find an honest lawyer with balls. The real reason they closed down those facilities, is because they wanna spend that money on themselves, (the oligarchy), and if it causes civil unrest, that plays into their hands as well, because it gives them an excuse to violate more rights, under the pretense of protecting the public with draconian, unconstitutional "laws". Those are the actual reasons.
Nurse Ratched reminded me of how some teachers treated students at schools prior to the 1990's. It was unfortunately fairly common for psychological abuse to occur. Even something as simple as a invented nickname or exposure of a academic weakness to others in your class. And thats just the tip of the iceberg.
😮In primary school as well, though the academic pressure is only put on in the secondary school, so you felt you were cramming then from the age of 12 to 18. I had a hunger to learn more academic subjects in primary school, but felt that primary school then was to mainly teach us to conform to rules via physical punishment, and religious worship and instruction, and be a good team player in physical education rather than teach us knowledge and practical skills and how to find further knowledge. If they wanted us to get physically fit, the emphasis should have been more on running and swimming, not ball games. I was ready to learn French and biology at 8 or 9, but I couldn't until I was 11. The pre teens are a good time for that because once you reach 12, puberty gets in the way and tires you. So, I read junior encyclopedias in my spare time instead in my last two years of primary school. I had a children's history book for my birthday once so was able to learn about periods in history not yet covered in school as it went up to the mid 20th century.
In mental health hospitals and industrial charities, they treat junior staff, trainees, and volunteers almost as bad as they treat patients and users. Look how the junior nurse behaves in the support group. She says nothing but watches Nurse Ratched to see how to facilitate a support group. She most likely is a student nurse or newly qualified. She appears to be sympathetic to the patients at first but has to defer to Nurse Ratched to become more like her. Even volunteers have too much work piled onto them, but this more presenteeism than actual work. The idea is to distract you from other things such as volunteering in other areas, creative classes, gardening, housework, and a social life rather than the senior staff telling you not to do these things. They would ask all volunteers to come in on a certain day even if they normally don't volunteer that day to help with a huge mail out. Then, when the volunteers come in, they are told that it isn't ready yet, so they should come in the following day instead. This is deliberate to mess up their week as some had to postpone appointments and social arrangements to come in. When they could have called them on the phone that morning to postpone them coming in. When that happened to me, I told them they wouldn't see me for the rest of the week. We came in to be told there were new additions to the mail out that had to be photocopied. The other volunteers were sent away but I was asked to stay in a small photocopier room that had no external windows in case the paper jammed up or was used up as it was my usual day for volunteering. I developed a headache from the smell of the toner, so I went home. The policy officer wouldn't let me go at first so I told the volunteer manager and she let me go home. They wanted me in the following day, but I told them I had booked a group trip to the seaside, so I wouldn't cancel that. I struggled through that trip with the headache that I still had and vomited by the beach. Then I recovered in time to go straight to a rock concert. I had bought a ticket for weeks earlier but after it began to feel ill again as the headache returned. I felt washed out all the following day, so lay on the settee at home for most of it. The office manager called me at home on the phone to say the mail out was now ready and to come in, but I refused to saying I was tired and feeling ill. They send you a lot of information in the mail if you are a panel member also to wear you down and distract you from reading other things.
This villain could be a hero if she had a clearer understanding of her job. It should be to make patients well, but it seems that her personal mission is to keep the peace at all costs. The Drs approve her results without ever setting foot in her ward. The only time we see them is in their offices. Had they been present on the unit and seen her methods, they could have corrected her.
It was a lot different when I was in the hospital. We were allowed to play cards (spades) and watch t.v. and write whatever we wanted in our journals, and they had an arts & crafts time scheduled for every day so you could maybe bond with another geek over coloringbooks and soduku puzzles or just listen to radio, hoping some grunge or one of the funner pop selections made an appearance, and there were other classes where they taught you relaxing ways to stretch out your body. I mean, there were drawbacks, too, but seriously you couldn't ask for more improvements. Better quality of patients maybe, but then you know that's a fair ways off.
I have met 5 people like her (probably more but 5 comes to mind immediately). 1 was a female school counselor. 1 was a male staff member at a mental hospital. 1 was a female nurse at a different mental hospital. And 1 was a male teacher at a special education school. When I was a kid, that "1 female school counselor" was responsible for putting me on a trajectory in my childhood, a trajectory that caused me to go to a mental hospital for the third time in my childhood for a bullsh*t reason (the first 2 times I went was because of suicide, but I kept my mouth quiet after that). During that 3rd visit, I had met the female nurse like Nurse Ratched and was forced into special education upon getting out. At age 16, I dropped out of school specifically because I wanted control over my own life and because people like Nurse Ratched exist everywhere where there is a therapy-like setting. Since dropping out of high school, I took and passed the GED, graduated college with a math degree, and got a good job.
Nurse Ratched is the scariest kind of evil. Passive aggressive, never raises her voice and very methodical. Louise Fletcher was amazing in this role and definitely earned that Oscar.
I found it interesting that she carried this off similarly in ST: Deep Space Nine as Kai Winn, the pathologically ambitious 'Pope' of the Bajoran people. At first, I didn't like her wooden delivery, but the way she could get under your skin with it was, actually, part of her brilliant performance. A false sweetness that was woodenly dogmatic, but thinly veiling a vicious vindictiveness that was often murderous in its presentation. She became one of the best villains in Star Trek, IMHO. She was completely irredeemable and was ultimately consumed by the 'demons' that she was so willing to serve.
On my first full day in the psych ward, not knowing the smoking rules, I asked if I could go smoke a cigarette. The nurse smiled and handed me a cigarette. I said "thank you." Knowing I couldn't have a lighter, he said "so how you gonna light it" laughing at me along with the other nurses. It's very far from the trauma that so many others experience in hospitals, but since it was meant to be a subtle dig at my inability to look after myself, it was dehumanizing enough to remember exactly how I felt in that moment 20 years later.
You could have said, I'm just gonna go outside and rub two sticks together...how else do people make fire(and had serious look on your face). Lol that would have fixed that person ☺️.
Everyones voting for chicken or fish right now on a highjacked airplane, but my point is it doesn't matter who is head of state or psychiatric hospital if the people in charge have intentions to devalue you and gain dominance or manipulate the situation for the lust of control. it could be sadistuc control, fear of not having control, humiliation of not being in control, these people are more damaged and abused then the pain they righteously inflict
Bad stuff happens to people in life and most of the stuff you try to forget, but stuff like that is stuff you never forget. It’s incidents in life like that you remember late at night. People can be very cruel.
I’m a survivor of narcissistic abuse. Watching Nurse Ratched gave me chills because so many tactics and so much non-verbal manipulation were used on me in real life. What has been amazing to me this past year, in talking to people who knew the family, is how many people saw the manipulation and control, but refused to believe it could be that bad, and therefore dismissed and overlooked it. Meanwhile, in my own cuckoo’s nest, I was terrified, trapped in my own psychological hell. Thank God my kids and I are out and have minimal contact with our own Nurse Ratched. Life is so much better when up is up, down is down, and we’re free to drink in the flowers and sunshine that *we* see and value.
I grew up in much the same way as you did. I'm the oldest of my siblings so it was my responsibility to protect them and to take care of them as much as I was capable of doing because I too was only a young child. Literally no one I turned to for help would help us either. My five year old brother sustained a traumatic head injury in 1975 because our father caught him playing with the circuit breaker and as a punishment he bashed his head repeatedly into the circuit breaker until his head was flat and bone fragments were embedded into his brain. He was hospitalized for a year upon which he was released back into our mothers custody. Our dad got away with it because mother claimed Bobbly fell down the stairs. We were always falling down the stairs. Years later we were removed from school and taken into protective custody because of the bleeding through our clothes from a severe beating with a razor strap the night before. They kept my sister in foster care but returned me and my brain damaged brother to mother and her psychotic boyfriend who fancied himself Hitler reincarnated, our house a prison camp, and us kids Jews. When I was a teen I went to the local police station and begged officers to take me somewhere, even lock me up in jail, anything but send me back home. They put me in a childrens shelter, that turned out to be just as abusive as my mothers house. I then went into a fostor home with a barfly for a foster mom. She brought men home to sexually harass me as she watched drunk and high on drugs. So, I went back home to mother. On my 18th birthday I fled mothers house as she wouldn't be receiving anymore Welfare benefits on my behalf and I knew she would make money off of me one way or another. When I was 25 she called me and apologized for everything she had ever done and asked for a chance to be my mother again. I still secretly wanted a mother more than anything else, I wanted a mom. So I told her I forgive you, mom. Then she invited me to spend Christmas with her and asked that I come alone. Weeks later she called and asked if I had checked the mail yet. I told her I hadn't. She told me to go check it then let her know if I'd received a letter from her. After I got back I told her there is something here from you. She said "Okay, then open it and sign your name where I've marked a red X." She said it's a $5,000 funeral expense policy so if I die before her she can give me a decent burial. I told her I'm going to read it before signing it. She said "I just told you what it is you don't have to read it!" I read it then said "Mom, this is a $500,000 accidental death life insurance policy from Mutual of Omaha!" She was pissed to say the least. i told her I'm not signinig it. I"m glad I left on my 18th birthday or I know for certain I wouldn't have made it to my 19th. There isn't any help for children. Even the ones who're supposed to help either sexually exploit, traffic, and abuse the ones they're supposed to protect.
@@surefirebeast0599 May God continue to guide you and protect you ♥️♥️🙏👏I hope you believe he sees all and you will be redeemed, even better things for you and they will feel God's wrath soon!🌪️✨
@@gmailaccount1894 oh my heart goes out to you ... I am a nurse and I have worked in old folks homes off and on during the years,, believe me I know exactly what you are talking about. I have had to work with evil people like this .. and I have had to fight for the rights of the residents too .. I think some of the kind of nurses that you are talking about should never have become nurses at all.. cold hearted bitches!!
She hates him for his empathy and power to help others that she her sadistic and vile sociopathic self cannot attain to, despite being paid to help others.
The real problem was the lack of any Drs in her ward. The Drs cannot see what goes on, but simply assume everything is fine because they never have problems in her unit. No news is good news.
What made Nurse Ratchet so evil is because she herself never thought of herself as an evil person but a person of great morals that made her feel superior towards others she felt was beneath her.
There are thousands of people like her in healthcare, and other institutions waiting for us to be admitted. Look up the Stanford Prison Experiment. These people develop into the evil they become. It is the position of power over the helpless that manifests their wickedness, and desire for control. The power and control over these people fuels their sadism. It could happen to anyone, and anyone could become a victims. It's true horror, and something we will all face sometime in our lives, whether it's at work, or in hospital. We will all be victim to it at some point in life.
Very astute. The devil incarnate. What an insanely fantastic performance she gave! There was a commentator who said that in her Oscar speech, she said "thank you all for hating me so much". One classy lady.
In junior high I read my first book on the Holocaust. I was stunned and said to my dad, a WW2 vet, "That couldn't happen today, could it?" He replied, "Sure. You will always find people who are willing to be as cruel as the law allows."
@Peter Nielsen you know exactly what people gary is on about.. :-) you just don,t like to equate it to that horrible period.. we will all see soon enough how most people will react, like sheep to the slaughter... even betraying own family because of covid/vaccin will be a thing of the near future..
After my mum died when I was 13, I was sent to live with an aunt who was exactly like this. I actually took myself to children's services and asked to be placed in foster care rather than live with her. Instead of helping me, they called her and told her. Dealing with people like this is so traumatic. Every single day is like walking on eggshells. Constantly in fear, having your every move controlled and seeing that it brings someone whose meant to care about you, pure joy. Horrible.
I've had many pounds of flesh gouged out of me by several in my lifetime. I believe that some of us are magnetic to them. And they seem to have a genius - though they may be dullwitted otherwise, two of mine were - at doing things which will be destructive but which they can get away with, unless they die unrepentant...
They are you and me. Any person who doesn't understand that given the right circumstances and right conditions that they can become what others deem a sadistic monster don't understand themselves
Her methods very much resemble the church of Scientology’s programs. They collect your traumatic memories and triggers, and then use them against you when you defy their authority.
@@LucasSantos-ss6ou Don't be a hypocrite saying I'm "bitching and moaning"; I'm merely pointing out an important issue that can't be over-addressed, and it's relevant, here.
@Gigawatt these types of people pre-date modern feminists. Let's not pretend the horrors of the asylum and mentally ill didn't exist only a few decades ago. If we blame this on something completely unrelated then we can never solve the issue. The system needs to be changed but people are more concerned about proving their agenda than solving it, like you. It's pretty disgusting to blame a modern problem on something that didn't even exist a some decades ago, and only proves further that you have an agenda and will bend and twist any topic to suit it, instead of caring to solve the issue. But that's very typical of feminists and antifeminists (like yourself) alike. It's a completely disrespectful to people who have suffered at the hands of a busive authority figures. But you don't care about that, the only thing you care about is proving your agenda even at the expense of others. It's gross.
Her name is Louise Fletcher. She is still with us at 87yrs. She was born to deaf parents, and maybe that's why her facial features say so much. Also she won best actress in a lead role for playing Nurse Ratchet.
I’ve worked in this field for over 15 years… I always say there are two types of ppl who do this job… those who actually care, and those who love to control others…I’ve seen it many times
I worked in dementia care both in homes and in the community and sadly you are spot on. The problem is care is very underpaid and agencies etc are always desperate for staff so like you said you either get carers/nurses who do it for the love and others shouldn't be allowed anywhere near vulnerable people. So sad.
Amen, and they get away with their BS, but for me, in the end, I outlived all of'em.......and you have to wonder what it was all for,.......senseless behavior..........
The look in her eye when she’s on the floor getting strangled, when Nicholson realizes what he’s doing, is one of utter glee, because in that moment she knows she’s won. She’s finally broken Mac Murphy. It’s a genius moment.
oh God I remember that scene so vividly, when I saw it in the movies the first time.. when the scene was over I suddenly realized that I had been sitting really forward in my seat and physically going through the motions of Mac Murphy strangling her.. I hated her so much at that moment!! yes it was a genius moment!!
Really? That's something I'll have to think about. I never thought of that scene that way. I just saw it as a look of abject terror of Ratched's worst nightmare: a patient out of her control and killing her, and well done, too.
I disagree. She paniced, because she faced an unbroken men she was no threat for. She was surprised by his attack, because she did not expect that McMurphy would dare it. Caused by the attack she lost her selfcontrol for a moment. Thus, she was broken , not MacMurphy, who admittedly payed a high price, but he accepted it. Mac Murphy acted like a man.
She lost. Mac gave her a fate worse than death by taking away her voice to command others and she realizes and understands how everyone else views her. As a result, she did become a little more humble in the end, asking someone (forgot his name) how he felt and genuinely meaning it.
After I had my daughter the one nurse that came In told me if I had gotten anything on the sheets again I would just have to deal with it. I wanted to try and go to the bathroom but didn’t want to bother her. I was tired and because it was not a smooth birth (almost had her on my kitchen floor but made it to a hospital that doesn’t deliver babies 🙃 lol ) I actually thought I did something wrong. Another nurse came to check on me a bit afterwards and I still felt bad so I asked her to tell the other nurse I was sorry. She was furious and told me I could have as many sheets as I needed and helped me to the bathroom. She left the room and came back a few minutes later with a stack of sheets in hand with a look of satisfaction on her face that only comes from giving a bitch what she deserves 😏
Hi Brittany, your comment made me wonder how old your child is now....and if that experience had been impactful enough to have left it's mark for a number of years. some people are damaged, to different levels, for weeks, months, years and lifetimes by acts of cruelty/meanness/power seeking of others.
God this film is bloody sad at the end I played Undertale bloody GTA 4 Watched Joker 2019 and Avengers infinity war And those I hold my tears This film gave me a tear in the end this is the most luckiest movie find I ever seen
I’ve seen the “Nurse Ratched” type: smug, know-it-all, vindictive, cruel. It’s amazing that these types often come from “helping professions”. The most devastating scene in the film is when Nurse Ratched causes Billy to commit suicide. The way she does it so casually makes it all the more monstrous.
It wasn’t Nurse Ratched who did that, it was Mcmurphy by forcing Billy to Fornicate!!!! Mcmurphy was a massive threat to her hospital and out of the goodness of her heart refused to Lobotomize him until she was forced to!!! Nurse Ratched is the only competent figure at the hospital!!!
She has always reminded me of an elementary teacher on a power trip X1000. She is obsessed with control and her rules, she knew McMurphy was really a normal person trying to work the system by escaping jail time so she took extra pleasure in tormenting him and keeping him there longer.
Most of us have experienced authority figures very much like this in our lives from school teachers, to bosses, politicians, law enforcement, security guards, even politicians. Such professions attracts these kinds of people because they are able to act out their psychosis and bully instincts as long as it's couched in the pretense of order and righteousness.
She is just like many people but to a more hyperbolic level and in a position of power. People like her sadly do get into positions of power or they create the illusion they are and think they are. Truly my least favourite personality and i know people like it
As an actor, Louise Fletcher’s performance is absolutely magnetic to watch and a testament to how much a specific subtext can really bring to a character.
yes, it is a brilliant. Never seen anything else like it. Ledgers Joker is nothing in comparison, and that sais a lot, eespecially since that. is brilliant too.
@@whutdafeq1715Kathy Bates could have I think. But maybe I am saying this because Louise Fletcher and Kathy Bates are the only 2 people that scare the hell out of me in the history of film. The men don't scare me but they do !
I first saw this movie as a kid, and I remember desperately rationalising everything Ratched did because, to my mind, nurses and doctors were all good people. It took me a good amount of time to spot how toxic and vile she was. Its truly amazing how powerful imagery can be to hide evil
thats also what happens when youre a kid under the care of a person like this. its why most people dont speak up about abuse until its waaaay too late to get justice
My Father is an English professor who has taught One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, both the book and the movie, multiple times. A few years ago he got me to watch the movie with him since I had only heard about it from hearing him talk about his classes. Afterwards, he mentioned a consistent phenomenon which he had noticed in his students reviews of the book and movie. Primarily, he mentioned how many of his students desperately sought to sympathize with Nurse Ratched, seeing her sadistic and sociopathic tendencies as being either nonexistent or for some greater good because "a person in a position of authority obviously couldn't be evil". Its kind of scary that the same thought process you were describing in yourself as a child also exists in the minds of college-age adults.
I think some people just don't want to accept that authority figures can be evil which is understandable because we are supposed to trust them, look up to them and sometimes rely on them.
I love encountering bullies like this. The look in their eyes when they know, I know, they know I am utterly unconcerned by them is delicious. I detest bullies with a passion.
That's nice. But the thing is, when they have sufficient power and authority over you, your lack of concern becomes irrelevant. When someone can lock you in a cage or even have you lobotomized, not taking them seriously isn't a victory. In fact it's a very risky mistake.
In the book, Rachet makes sure that when Murphy's body comes back from being lobotomized, his body is put front and center in the day room with "Patrick R. McMurphy. Post-Operative. Lobotomy" clearly stated on his gurney. His body is put on display as if it's a trophy she won; a message to the rest that this is what happens when you try to fight the system. He's displayed for a full day in this way, all of the other patients are able to see for themselves the full extent of what happened to their rebellious champion. Compared to the movie, where only the Chief gets to see him for a few minutes, I think the book's ending is more cruel. Salt in the wound. Rachet/the system can't afford to give McMurphy any quiet dignity in the end, even after they have won completely. I completely recommend the book to anyone who enjoyed the movie. 10/10
I thought the book was better, but the book had a different ending too. Besides the fact that Mac was lobotomised and the Chief euthanased him, the important part of the ending that the movie misses is that all the patients actually left. If I remember correctly, there were only about three or four of the main characters left on the ward when McMurphy is brought back and put in the display room. None of the patients leave in the movie.
i read the book, but years ago. it fits, at least had they brought him into the ward during the day…of course Chief would’ve waited until the evening. i know that it was an indie movie-but you make an excellent point. (they could’ve even had her turn OFF the music for MacMurphy’s entrance).
I had an Aunt like this. When she was asked to watch me while my parents went out, she would agree but it was only to torment me. While her son got lunch, a drink, and could sit inside her house. She made me sit outside (saying I would break things), drank only water (since she bought that drink specifically for her son), and I was given some haphazard lunch made from leftovers. When her son tried to play with me, she would let him know, in a veiled threat sort of way, that he would be punished for "acting silly." In the end, I had to sit on the patio in the sun listening to her talk to him inside about how selfish and spoiled I was. Her act with my father was complete. She had him believing that I was making things up and I was going to become a horrible person someday. The only reason she stopped watching me is because I told my mother that I would end my life if she ever left me with her again. I said this at seven years old. Years later, I found out that she used to drug her father by putting sleeping pills, mashed up, into his food to keep him asleep while at home. When I turned 18, my gf at the time was 17 and one month away from turning 18. She told the entire family that I was a child ...predator (trying to find a word less offensive) and that all of her siblings children and grandchildren were unsafe around me. I saw her years later at a family reunion. I looked at her coldly from where I stood when she arrived. As coldly as I have looked at anyone ever in my life. She got back into the car, said she was ill, had a panic attack (real or faked), then went home. I always wondered if it was just me she hated and why, or if she hated all things she couldn't control fully...like her son.
I worked in a mental hospital in my early 20's, i can tell you from actual experience this exists. When i quit they begged me to stay and asked what they could do to keep me, i said clearly fire that lady. "We can't, her daughter runs the hospital"
I 100% agree with both of you. I ended up working multiple 16 hour shifts with no actual bathroom/smoke break and no lunches due to her never coming to relieve me from patient watch (its potential criminal charges of neglect if you just up and leave with no one watching, so i couldn't even leave the room to grab someone to give me a break). She would also get in patients faces and talk down to them or scream and get them all riled up or play tricks on them, evil was this lady and her friends that acted just like her.
This video is a testament to the actress’s amazing skills. If she were a lesser actress, there would be nothing to cover. The writing is there, but arguably minimalist. So much of it depends on the delivery.
@@bhatkat That was the role of a lifetime. I never understand how one actor can be typecast but other ones aren't. Like Nicholson wasn't type cast because of this role although it seemed a lot of his parts were always rebels of some sort.
I once met a girl that was a nurse in a hospital. She weirded me out when she told me she doesn’t care about the patients, and that her job is to assist the doctors ONLY. Scary!
This is quite common now as we see many of these sick communist doctors and nurses have openly killed many people on the ventilation systems during the "pandemic". Heros? my ass!
that's indeed scary but they exist. i can't count the number of Nurse Ratcheds i've worked with over the years. yes everyone is over-worked these days but that's not an excuse to be a professional terrorist.
My mother, a nurse, trained at that hospital for one month. After seeing the movie as a boy, I asked her if she was scared working with mentally ill patients. She replied, "I was more afraid of the parking lot outside than the people inside." Those few words spoke volumes to me.
I had a regional manager like this. A coworker killed himself after an extremely rough night, and she declared a meeting a couple of days later. I heard later from other workers and herself, that the meeting was about a new limited time product we were selling. I nearly quit the job then and there until an acquaintance made a GoFundMe for his family.
Quit. It's not worth it. Try to line something else up first of course. I have a lot of responsibilities, kids, etc. But i decided to not pretend for these psychos anymore. If you gotta lie to yourself for a few bucks, you're debasing and devaluing yourself anyway. Fuck that paycheck, keep your soul, brother.
Yeah those god awful victory buns Not to diss anyone who was around in the 1940s and wore them but I always thought of it as a strange and cringe hairstyle
She had all the doctors at the institution tricked too, and they were psychiatrists. I always noticed in the movie that the orderlies were power hungry too.
The worst part, there’s a lot of nurses out there like this, I remember being in hospital, 4years ago, after a car accident on the trauma and orthopaedics ward and she came in to our male bay, and said she wants a nice relaxed evening tonight, as if we were a bunch of kids, what she didn’t realise is I worked at the same hospital in A&E, her job was to take care of all our needs, not a place of work she comes to for a break so she can eat chocolate and drink coffee. The NHS is littered with people like her.
NHS is a mess a anyway and you definitely sound like one of those entitled and needy patients, exactly like a child. The NHS literally cannot provide safe and adequate staffing for its hospitals yet the organisation and public acts surprised with the poor quality of care that takes place and still maintains their high expectations. You don't have to be a genius to do the maths on that one. The whole country is in denial and nothing is being done about it... Only solution is to end the NHS that is the trainwreck it is and privatise it. Only then you will get the quality of care that you demand for, as long as you can afford it lol.
I remember when my mother was sent to the emergency room. I got called about it and rushed over. I go into the emergency wing and go up to the desk to ask where my mother is and what does the nurse say right off of the bat? She interrupted me and tells me to stand behind the line. Mind you in a very cruel cold voice. I’m thinking my mom is in the ER and you’re giving me shit about not standing behind the line? Fuck you. So while it’s not in the same vein as Nurse Ratched, this nurse sure was despicable.
Don’t forget the psych ward nurses too! I’ve read some true horror stories. Makes me want to be double secure in an attempt so I don’t survive and end up there !
When she collected her Oscar, I was in awe how sweet her smile actually is. She also delivered a touching speech. But when she's back to poker face, you just wanna avenge McMurphy 😂
That was back when the Oscars were actually about honoring good actors & actress's & not pushing & pandering to political agenda's & celebrities talking down to the everyday people that made them famous in the first place.
But that's what we need; actors (and screenwriters, for that matter) who understand that sometimes characters should be entirely loathsome. We live in a time where every villain is watered down and given a sob story (I.e. Maleficent). I've had enough of that. Horrible ppl who do horrible things exist in the real world and there's no reason to detract from this fact.
Blerk Snarfgut Well you completely missed the point of maleficent if you think that. That movie didn’t say that there aren’t truly evil people. It said that the truly evil person of the fairy tale was the selfish and deceiving king. Not maleficent. It’s a tale about prejudice and how humans will easily believe the worst about someone different from them due to their appearance. While maleficent did curse aurora, her compassion and love towards aurora transformed maleficent into the true hero of the movie. The movie reinforced the idea that sleeping beauty’s tale was always told with maleficent as the clear antagonist, despite the clear villain being the king. Also there are plenty of films with clearly evil antagonists. I really don’t know what you’re talking about💀
When I went to elementary school in early 90's I had a grade teacher that sounds just too familiar. She had somekind of antipathy towards boys so she tormented them all the time, by belitling, mocking and bringing them down. She used to also give detention to boys of the class for absolutely arbitary reasons, and I have had to sit in a lot of detentions because of something a girl in my class did. She'd only say that she knew it was me since girls wouldn't do anything bad. It got so bad that me and a couple of others changed schools. Towards end of the tenure I was in that elementary I would sit 2-5 hours a week in detention, for arbitary reasons. I did some small kid shit that deserved it, but yeah lol, nothing in this magnitude. This isn't just my perception either. A lot of the grades kids parents were talking about it, even parents of the girls. Apparently 7-8 yo girls got so worried about her behavior they told on her. I've lost touch with most of my classmates from that time. I know that one of the boys became a truck driver, one is mentally so miserable now he can't keep a job, 4 I know became addicts, and 1 went to prison. A alarmingly high rate in one small class of 17-20 kids in a country where drugs and crime is low. I have to think that only thing that connects us is that teacher who tormented them when they were in their most vulnerable part of growing up.
@@Pyllymysli that’s the victim mindset right there. You’re all mentally fkd because your 7th grade teacher was a bitch? Unless there’s more trauma that she caused that you’re not getting into, y’all should’ve been able to fully recover by now...
The way she knew what buttons to press with Billy by mentioning his mother and how disappointed she would be with him, and then he did what he did. She was pure evil.
@@wmhhealth2018 Almost all of them, I'd say. EDIT: Y'all seem to be misunderstanding my position pretty badly here. Nurses and teachers are unsung fucking heroes.
The 'nice thing' about the real-life equivalents of Ratched (former care-worker here) is they typically die wretched and alone...Usually within the institutions they 'manage.' Compassion is wasted upon them, they'd show none so they receive 'none.'
The eyes, the devil horns-liked hair style, the emotionless in her voice when she talks to the patients, the feeling of the taking control in her behaves,... No wonder why she always makes me feel scared and powerless.
You've just described most nurses I have encountered. Polite and civil but and without emotion. They are not paid to show emotion...they are paid to perform the mechanics of their job. I remember my one experience in the emergency room and I was horrified at how cold but polite the nurses were. Their eyes were empty of all feeling.
@@jackanthony976 Good nurses and caregivers are diamonds in the rough. Their job is so hard and they have to put up with the evil nurses, so that makes it even harder.
I remember watching this at 26 years old. No one had ever seen a female villain like this. She was so complicated, and overwhelming for the time. What a movie and what a performance.
Good villains don’t think they are evil. They think they are the hero. That’s what makes them interesting. Nurse Ratched really thought she was helping those tortured men.
No, I don't think she thought she was helping them. I think she knew exactly what she was doing and she didn't care. They were vulnerable people, easy to bully and manipulate.
@@Chasstful Indeed, she was just doing her job, the job the hospital administration wanted her to do, and doing it well. She wasn't trying to be of service to the patients, she was trying to be of service to the people who signed her paycheck. Keeping people in captivity supposedly "for their own benefit" and giving them "medical treaments in their bests interests," without getting their consent, and in many cases with they saying they would prefer to refuse the treatments,, that is at the heart of the matter - it is the idea that you can "treat" adults without their consent, and the PRETENSE that imprisonment, shock treatment, and pre-frontal lobotomy, damaging brain surgery, are "medical" treatments. If you think this is hospital is part of the past - you are not entirely correct. People are STILL getting shock treatments despite vociferously refusing consent. They are still getting locked up and held in captivity with the pretense that it is helping them, when we all know it is being done to punish them. And this is done to them on the say-so, usually, of just two physicians, both of whom usually give the patient a very cursory examination, if any examination at all. It is punishement for a "crime" of being annoyingly different, and being less powerful than their relatives who claim they are acting "mentally ill," without the benefit of a trial by their peers, and their punishment is not for a prescribed amount of time, but instead, "until they get better." With better being simply the opinion of a psychiatrist re what is better. Nurse ratchet is just the stand-in for this system. The real problem is too much power in the hands of medical doctors and government employees. The face of this power that the patients see. But I see the MD's and the government officials. She is doing what she does to please the people who write her paycheck. That is why the hospital administrator says she is one of their best nurxes.
She is one of the fictional characters I loathe with a passion. Up there with Umbridge from Harry Potter. A sense of being all right and all mighty while denying any fault
She is the personification of the system. As long as obedience is given all is fine. But to step out of line is seen as a threat that must be cut out and removed. Mac is freedom. Freedom to choose, to love, enjoy, and the power of the spirit, which is seen as a danger by the system. It can infect others. Give them hope and strength. Dissolving their fear of the system. So, Mac can either take his 'medication' willingly or have it forced upon him. But, if all else fails, the system will destroy the spirit in order to maintain order and the schedule. The only way to truly be free is to break out of the system. To live outside of it
@mewabe4 And we need to remember that it's everywhere. No social security so you work or starve and be homeless. As George Carlin said, "what they want is obedient workers".
That's a slippery train of thought, if I have ever heard of one. Destinations: It will workout well; the idea that the system is purely evil and there's no hope for improvement so it's much easier to 'destroy it'; easily destroying other's lives for 'freedom' or 'for the good of all'.
She was absolutely terrifying. I've worked in mental facilities. Most of the people in charge care about only one thing and that is power over their patients. It has nothing to do with what is best for the patients, or therapy, or helping someone heal. It is only about power and control.
You triggered a memory of me meeting the most attractive young woman that had just become a psychiatric nurse. She did weird me out a bit when we talked about how dangerous her new job would be, she said in an almost satisfied way she knew she would get beat up. We danced all night and she invited me and my friends back to her place. I was confident I'd found a beautiful new girlfriend. As we were leaving however, the bouncer asked my buddy Little Chief (Shane) to get out, that he wasn't welcome in their bar. I stood up to the bouncer and called him a bigot, told him to get back inside as he had no business outside the doors. He was just itching to attack me but the owner told him to drop it and go back in. When all of us got to her apartment, one of her girlfriends met me at the door and told me that everyone was welcome but me. I was not allowed in. I never did see her again. I could never figure out why she didn't respect me defending my friend.
When I was in college I had to do two clinical days a week in the state mental hospital. I found that most of the staff didn't seem to care a whit about the patients and spent all their time in the nursing station talking amongst themselves. There was no nurse Ratchet, they just ignored the patients.
When I was there I came across a couple of nice nurses and doctors. And a couple of Ratchets, but yeah the majority where just clockwatchers who socialized at work then moved on when their shift was over. But I guess that's just most people who have full time jobs.
I worked residential for 20 years. Every so often we would get a staff who leaned this way. Supervisors were quick to move them out of our program if the staff weren't trainable out of this way of thinking. Not all programs were this way but we did our best.
I found the scariest thing about her is how she managed to control these men, when a lot of them were self check in. They could sign themselves out of care when they wanted but she managed to make them feel like they needed to be there. Only after Cheif smothers Mack to free him after his lobotomy do they actually gain the courage to leave!!!
I saw the movie for the first time a few years ago. The entire time, I kept thinking I recognized him for somewhere. Then, it hit me... voice of Chucky from Child's Play!😬
Absolutely, and she deservedly won the best actress oscar, alongside Nicholson as best actor. It also won best film, best screenplay and best director, making it one of only 3 movies in history to have won the 'big 5' oscars. It is still my favourite movie of all time, and the closing scene never fails to bring a lump to my throat and a tear to my eyes.
So perfect it ruined her career. Louise Fletcher was typecast after this, it was difficult for her to get any parts where she wasn't playing a total b*tch.
Great analysis. Haven't we all known a Nurse Ratched? There are male and female versions to be found, usually in some position of power, in every family and every workplace. Nurse Ratched is one of the most terrifying villains of fiction, because such monsters exist in every real, everyday situation and environment. You'll encounter a Nurse Ratchet in pretty much every human group dynamic. Their manipulative conduct means they will always fool some of the people, some of the time, so they sail through life achieving the prize they set out to - status and power over other human beings. In Nazi Germany, 'Nurse Ratcheds' thrived running concentration camps where they could fully indulge their cruellest impulses against other humans. In a more civilised society, they will find themselves a niche that allows them to control others. They hide their ruthless, self-serving impulses behind a pleasant, even friendly exterior, armed with a stated respect for 'fairness' or 'the rules', they slyly play people off against each other, and are masters of the 'divide and rule' model to retain their privileged position in the group. They are the embodiment of the phrase 'The banality of evil'. In 2022 the term 'narcissistic abuse' is thrown around so often, it's almost become meaningless. Nurse Ratchet was an early and now iconic example of such an abuser. Her narcissism and ego are off the scale, but cleverly masquerade as professionalism, even-handedness, and even benevolent concern for the well being of others. But of course such abusers have only one priority - themselves. And serving their own desires requires them to seek power and control over others - in their most intimate relationships with partners and family members, and on a professional setting with work colleagues both superiors and subjugates. 'One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest' is a profound movie that should be shown to teenage kids at every school, as a textbook example of the destructive power of narcissistic abuse. Oh, and there's no question how Randle McMurphy's final, barbaric lobotomy happened - it was Nurse Ratched's doing, no question!
I'm 63 and have suffered from chronic depression and anxiety disorders most of my life. In the late 1980s I was in a Staten Island, NY psychiatric hospital for several months following a suicide attempt. I also was hospitalized several times for brief periods in the 2000s for episodes of severe depression. My impression: being a sadistic, bullying and emotionally abusive 'Nurse Ratched" is a precondition for employment in any psychiatric hospital, from the Chief Psychiatrist down to the nurses, social workers and the lowest patient managers or orderlies...
The system was kind of designed that way. I always felt that it was a copy of the prison system, but instead of guards and police you have nurses and doctors like a hospital. But those are just titles and uniforms, ultimately it's just a diet coke version of actual prisons.
True that. I was working with one. Sad thing is she is RT and celebrates no holidays 😂 but pts. Have told her she is crazy for trying to control them in group Therapy. 😅 oh well like many have written some hospitals promote ppl like this.
*What's truly terrifying is she's playing a part that actually existed - commonly - in mental "hospitals" all the way through the early 1980s in the USA. Ratcheds were **_everywhere,_** and did a LOT of real damage to a lot of people. While accidents of history have largely removed the old model of mental hospitals, there are still Nurse Ratcheds running around in the few long term "care" facilities the USA has kept. You tend to see a lot of her in long term child psychiatric facilities today. So-called "Residential Treatment Centers" are the last refuge for people like her. Roughly two years ago there was a huge scandal at one of the largest and "most respected" RTFs in New York State (the Hawthorne Cedar Knolls Residential Treatment Facility): it turns out the staff were literally pimping out their child patients as a huge at home sex service, and had been doing it for years. While the facility was closed shortly after this went public, it's "sister facility" about a half mile down the road, "Linden Hill" recieved the transferred kids, and business appears to have continued as usual.* *There is only a single thing I can honestly say that is a genuine "good" about $cientology: their hatred of psychiatry.*
Because you used to need actual talent instead of just checking off all the diversity boxes. If they remade it she would be a trans black woman who identifies as a tree. Who even knows nowadays with all the crazy in the world.
I am a nurse. I have worked with nurses both men and women that are like this. They are the exception, but the ones I have met have become long timers.
I once had a boss like her. There was an old machine that's been a headache while I was on vacation & they've been working on it for 3 weeks. I fixed it in 4 hours & he reported to the bigger bosses that he fixed it. Somehow this machine requires that its program be refreshed every few weeks. This was at a time when everything runs on MS DOS. I got tired of the boss & I left. The machine crashed a few weeks later. They never recovered & he was fired. 🙂
This is the exact reason why I’m so irritated by Ryan Murphy’s Ratched. It portrays her as classically evil, a Cruella De’Ville type. This character doesn’t need an origin story. She’s representative of a certain type in society. All tyrannical figures in power who believe they’re doing nothing wrong, simply just using her power. She isn’t a Disney villain such as she appears in the series. It upsets me that many people will watch that series and will have never seen the original source material. It’s fine if you enjoy the series, I just greatly dislike the portrayal of the character in such a dramatic way.
It's a Ryan Murphy series. He pretty much makes his shows for pea-brained kids who don't look up from their iPhones to pay attention to what they're watching. People only watch cause the actors he has, the gif-able moments, and camp.
@That's_Mr_Ass_To_You No, she's definitely doing it just for herself, because it's easier for her. Otherwise, you'd have to dig at her intelligence because people aren't getting better, any rational person who gives a damn would then work out that you then must not be doing things right but she doesn't. It very possibly didn't start off that way, it rarely does, it could be the sheer frustration that comes with treating mental patients got to her and she lost her compassion or she like many people at the time from the start didn't see people with mental disorders as real humans and so didn't deserve the same treatment
I had a ridiculous female manager mere moments after a coworker died from a heart attack outside tell us to get back to work until her higher up demanded we were sent home after seeing his corpse in the parking lot. It was a year ago, I was 20. I'll never forget how disturbing it all was. She didn't treat her employees right at all. Even after something as serious as death
@@jeffw1267 Some of us we see strangling her as the most sane thing you could do in this situation, but she’d driven Mac to a desperate situation by this point - and the strangle marks on her neck make pretty convincing evidence for the doctors making the decision. Wouldn’t this have reached courts, too?
@@MrMusicbyMartinNot in 1963-when this movie was set in. Mental patients who got "violent" were lobotomized. Although you would think that putting a suicidal patient where he could get a glass to cut himself with would cause a review of her practices.
@@A_real_Ha_So And if any of them were to say she'd manipulated Billy into unaliving himself and Mac into strangling her, nobody would ever have listened to them because they were mental patients. They were totally vulnerable to her covert sadism.
I'm nervous. I feel like Ryan Murphy is going to make her too campy and theatrical. Part of Nurse Ratched's terrifying effect is how stoic she remains in her evil. The trailer seems to show her as physically violent, which doesn't fit her nature. Plus, it shows her behaving strangely around her colleagues. This doesn't fit her character either. She's a sociopath. They're con artists who learn to mimick feelings to gain trust and assimilate into the world. She'd never do this. She needs people to think she's perfectly normal so she can get away with her evil actions.
@@SomethingSomethingg it is a younger nurse Ratched on the show and not IN CHARGE . She had to be very agressive to have become such a fearfull woman to everyone including THE DOCTORS in the movie.
@@KM-cu7he But that's not what sociopaths do. They get their way by convincing people they're society's definition of perfect. Notice how when real-life monsters true nature's are exposed both news articles as well as neighbors and friends and even family often gush about what great people they are? The word "perfect" is used all the time. Scott Peterson was a "perfect husband". Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka were "the perfect couple". Chris Watts was "the perfect father". That's what sociopaths do. They're very careful who they show their true colors to and who they don't. In the movie the doctors declare what a "very fine nurse" Ratched is because she's duped them into believing this. Sociopaths are patient people, knowing that to get what they want takes genius precision. Unless she somehow had the doctor in the trailer killed she would've needed to be nice to him to con him into letting her have the authority she does.
I work in care, and this video is one that every care-giver should see. It is so well observed, and incredibly insightful. I think every carer has the potential to lose their dignity and compassion towards those in their charge. Recognising this awful potential is what helps keep us honest.
I think something that makes Nurse Ratched such an effective villain is pretty much everyone has dealt with someone like Nurse Ratched; a teacher who ruled the classroom with an iron fist and dished out arbitrary punishments to students he/she didn't like while keeping a facade of kindness in front of authority figures. A boss who used fear to control their employees, abusing corporate/bureaucratic rules to deny their employees benefits, and using passive aggression to mock you. Hell, even a parent who uses semantics to deny rewards, mocking their children for their lack of power, inflicting emotional abuse and control when they don't get their way, etc. I dealt with my own personal Nurse Ratched in the form of a pharmacist at CVS. My father is disabled and I'm his caretaker so I deal with his doctor, medical needs, and medication. He'd been going to the same pharmacy for years with no troubles but then they got a new 'PIC' (pharmacist in charge). This woman was an absolute nightmare to deal with, routinely denying my father his medication, accusing him of abusing drugs, threatening to cut him off, and always claiming to just be "following the law" or "corporate policy". I decided to call her one day and figure out what her problem was and she was extremely rude, condescending, and on a total power trip. The other pharmacists (save for one that was like her henchwoman) despised her too and would often tell me to go to another pharmacy because she was abusing her power (one pharmacist even quit because of her). After the 4th time (in just 5 months) of claiming she was out of my father's medication (and clearly enjoying denying my father his meds), I demanded the prescription back and completely ripped her a new one before I left (god did it feel good to finally lay into her). Her abusive actions really began to affect my father physically and leave him in pain and unable to function; it took everything in my power to not punch her in the face for doing this to him. When I went to a new pharmacy, the pharmacists there were so much more kind and helpful and were shocked when they heard the way my father's old pharmacist acted. Now, my father is doing better than ever because one of the new pharmacists recommended a new medication for him and it's worked for him splendidly. I digress though, my overall point is that there's so many Nurse Ratcheds in the world and odds are we're going to deal with at least one in our lives, if not a couple of them. That's what makes her such an effective villain and makes her get under our skin, her brand of evil is personal.
I know exactly what you mean. I had to deal with the same issues with Pharmacists at Walgreens and CVS, who treated my mother this way. She had her kneecaps replaced and the pharmacist flat out refused to fill her pain medication because she said my mother, “didn’t need it.” I’ve had to watch her go through hell dealing with pharmacists that treat her like a drug addict and make the patients jump through hoops to get their medication filled and make up lies for why they can’t fill it. Luckily she found an awesome pharmacy that doesn’t patronize her. These pharmacists need to be held accountable for the way they treat patients.
@@jonathanl9229 I'm so sorry you had to go through that experience as well, it's so frustrating and heartbreaking to watch a loved one suffer because some dickbag pharmacist is on a power trip. I firmly believe a lot of pharmacists have an inferiority complex because they're not doctors so they try to play doctor/god with people's medications, especially when they're pain medication, or adderall or some other schedule II medication. Luckily, I reported the PIC at CVS for gross negligence and malfeasance. All the other pharmacists there hated her because my dad had been going there for years and knew him, knew he never misused his medication, never tried to get it early, etc. All he wanted was to be given the correct amount and be given to him on time (which I think is a reasonable request). I went back there not too long ago and saw that the PIC was a new person so hopefully she was fired. The new pharmacists we have are fantastic; the PIC is a very nice young man who gives my dad tips on how to get his meds cheaper and the assistant PIC is a lovely young woman who recommended him a new kind of medication which has vastly improved his condition. Luckily, some pharmacists actually care about their customers. I'm so happy to hear your mother is doing much better now. Best to the both of you :)
I think the characters name "Ratchet" is interesting. In part, the definition of ratchet is "to allow effective motion in one direction only". The story really is about how Nurse Ratchet slowly but surely pushes the patients to display poor mental health. When they start to feel better, or a character comes along that isn't sick to begin with, she will push them so that they end up being sick. She is so invested in being a nurse to people who are unwell, she will do everything in her power to make sure they ARE unwell.
It’s scary how individuals who often hunger for positions of power were the ones who never had it in their lives. It’s a dangerous thing to be under someone’s authority when that authority is what makes their identity.
You can definitely see elements of the battle of the sexes in her clash with Mac Murphy, who embodies lots of good and bad aspects of masculinity like courage and violence.
The scene when nurse Ratched telling Billy she's going to tell his mother and the scenes that follow with Billy, I can't watch. It's too overwhelming for me. Seems to make my blood boil.
My introduction to the mental health system was working on a locked ward at Dejarnette Center, now abandoned and on you tube as " the most evil and haunted place in Virginia". I lasted 4 years before I couldn't do it anymore. Vividly crazy times.
I had a principal in high school just like her who treated me like a 6 year old. We didn't get along because I was rebellious and a troublemaker but the thing about her is that she played the psychological game and just made you look crazy if you ranted because there was nothing specific you could bring up about her.
I know exactly what you mean by your last words. Confronted by questions why I had problems with a certain person in my souroundings, impossible to put my finger on anything specifically wrong with her. That is their "Art" to fool everyone else. As a child it is impossible to get away from this toxic environment. I often wonder about some of our politicians, which kind of Ratched they met in their lifes.
she won an academy award for this performance and when accepting her award she said: "thank you all for hating me so much..."
Lmao
What a brilliant actress
Unfortunately everyone hated that character so much it made it hard for her to get work after.
Lol
Lol I like that, sounds like she had a good sense of humor. I know Anna Gunn got a lot of hate for Skylar White in BB.... if you’re that hated by audiences then maybe you’re doing your job pretty well 😛
See Flowers in the Attic. She is cruel and heartless in that movie as well. You can hate her some more and make her day,LOL.
The best manipulators are those who don’t let their victims know they’re being manipulated but instead act as if they’ve got their victims best interests at heart.
@DoogieBowser
Hey dude I grew up in a manipulative family, my father being the worst. dominate the situation or failing that keep your brother at arms length. You ll pay otherwise. I learnt that the hard way.
reminds me of somebody who was in the white house the last few years
@@pushuppoppies8718
Try everybody who’s ever been in the White House, ever.
Congratulations on Joe Biden by the way 😅 No doubt he’ll bring more energy to the White House...
@@pushuppoppies8718 more like 32 years
Sounds like the Government
She is horrifying because Nurse Ratched exists, she is real. She can be a teacher, a nurse, anyone with some authority or control over our lives.
I have one of those in my work place. A real villain.
I had one when I was in first grade. I think my mind blocks that year out a lot but she really disliked me because I was a slow learner I think. She would put me down and everything I made she would ignore while praising other kids. I remember struggling in Math class and writing down the numbers on a peice of paper, she sent me to the principal's office for that and rather than help me learn or figure out what was wrong, she kept putting me down more and more as the year went on and saying smartass comments about me infront of the class. Meanwhile she's not exactly like nurse Ratched, she just reminds me of her.
Katana Katz I had a second grade teacher like that
Katana Katz : how horrid, she’s worse than Nurse Ratchet .... as you were a child. Disgusting!! I had a sister who had someone like that, she didn’t ever like school again. It was a necessary evil for her.
Many psychopaths r in position of power they don't always serial killers. Some just enjoy torturing others mentally and emotionally
What makes Nurse Ratched such a terrifying villain is that she is a real world monster who could be any petty tyrant authority figure or bully that we've all encountered at some point.
Like how Umbridge is more hateable than Voldemort because she's more realistic.
Robbie Cummins at Panasonic in Cardiff.
yep, I had teachers like her. Even my kindergarten teacher was like that. Very wicked and vile
The worst part is a lot of people don’t even see how she is villainous and are confused why people dislike her at all which tracks with real life
And in and of itself some sort of psycho
"Villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well-camouflaged."- Jean Luc Picard
"And thus I clothe my naked villainy with odd old ends stolen out of holy writ; and seem a saint, when most I play the devil."
@@NGRevenant Hey what's your name?
Yeah, Jean Luc Picard, whose arch-nemesis was a villian who wore a twirly mustache (the one time he got punched out by a hero that said "I'm NOT PICARD!")
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2 Corinthians
Chapter 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Ironically, it took a psychiatric hospital for McMurphy to lose his mind.
well they are there to finish off the abuse victims, so they tell no tales and don't warn the normies
It's happens more than you would thing. Most boring ass place you will ever go. Nothing like psychiatric wards in movies
@@stormtrooper2425 I happen to be a civil rights lawyer prosecuting psych hospitals all across the USA for federal felonies.
@@SovereignStatesman cool???
@@SovereignStatesman I’ve seen a lot of your comments. I previously saw the film maybe 10 years ago. Isn’t all of the main character’s problems ultimately his own fault as he plead insanity to get out of jail for his crimes? In that way he thought he could just trick and manipulate everyone, but instead his malingering was punished and crushed by the system?
Nurse Ratched is a brilliant villain because she exposes how easy it is to treat people like animals when the system is on your side. You can keep going home with a contented smile every night, knowing that you've "done your job," never needing to ponder the consequences of your actions.
Not just the system: the mental health system, it's worse than the KKK in the postbellum south.
Meanwhile prisoners have far more rights despite being convicted criminals.
That doesn't take any brilliance on her part; it's just the reason she was able to operate like that.
@@ToyotaGuy1971 That's what happens with punitive psychiatry: i.e. you get bully-bureaucrats destroying civil rights under the guise of "treatment;" that's why mental hospitals were closed down, since they had fewer rights than CRIMINALS in PRISONS.
@@SovereignStatesman You don't destroy civil rights, you can _violate_ them, but they're still there, and they can be defended, if you can find an honest lawyer with balls. The real reason they closed down those facilities, is because they wanna spend that money on themselves, (the oligarchy), and if it causes civil unrest, that plays into their hands as well, because it gives them an excuse to violate more rights, under the pretense of protecting the public with draconian, unconstitutional "laws". Those are the actual reasons.
@Lex Bright Raven So was the shutting down of slave-plantations by Lincoln, by that logic.
Mental hospitals are worse than the KKK.
Nurse Ratched reminded me of how some teachers treated students at schools prior to the 1990's. It was unfortunately fairly common for psychological abuse to occur. Even something as simple as a invented nickname or exposure of a academic weakness to others in your class. And thats just the tip of the iceberg.
Exposing every weakness of how the kid fit in. Just another brick in the wall.
😮In primary school as well, though the academic pressure is only put on in the secondary school, so you felt you were cramming then from the age of 12 to 18.
I had a hunger to learn more academic subjects in primary school, but felt that primary school then was to mainly teach us to conform to rules via physical punishment, and religious worship and instruction, and be a good team player in physical education rather than teach us knowledge and practical skills and how to find further knowledge.
If they wanted us to get physically fit, the emphasis should have been more on running and swimming, not ball games. I was ready to learn French and biology at 8 or 9, but I couldn't until I was 11. The pre teens are a good time for that because once you reach 12, puberty gets in the way and tires you. So, I read junior encyclopedias in my spare time instead in my last two years of primary school. I had a children's history book for my birthday once so was able to learn about periods in history not yet covered in school as it went up to the mid 20th century.
In mental health hospitals and industrial charities, they treat junior staff, trainees, and volunteers almost as bad as they treat patients and users. Look how the junior nurse behaves in the support group. She says nothing but watches Nurse Ratched to see how to facilitate a support group. She most likely is a student nurse or newly qualified. She appears to be sympathetic to the patients at first but has to defer to Nurse Ratched to become more like her.
Even volunteers have too much work piled onto them, but this more presenteeism than actual work. The idea is to distract you from other things such as volunteering in other areas, creative classes, gardening, housework, and a social life rather than the senior staff telling you not to do these things. They would ask all volunteers to come in on a certain day even if they normally don't volunteer that day to help with a huge mail out. Then, when the volunteers come in, they are told that it isn't ready yet, so they should come in the following day instead. This is deliberate to mess up their week as some had to postpone appointments and social arrangements to come in. When they could have called them on the phone that morning to postpone them coming in.
When that happened to me, I told them they wouldn't see me for the rest of the week. We came in to be told there were new additions to the mail out that had to be photocopied. The other volunteers were sent away but I was asked to stay in a small photocopier room that had no external windows in case the paper jammed up or was used up as it was my usual day for volunteering. I developed a headache from the smell of the toner, so I went home. The policy officer wouldn't let me go at first so I told the volunteer manager and she let me go home. They wanted me in the following day, but I told them I had booked a group trip to the seaside, so I wouldn't cancel that. I struggled through that trip with the headache that I still had and vomited by the beach. Then I recovered in time to go straight to a rock concert. I had bought a ticket for weeks earlier but after it began to feel ill again as the headache returned.
I felt washed out all the following day, so lay on the settee at home for most of it. The office manager called me at home on the phone to say the mail out was now ready and to come in, but I refused to saying I was tired and feeling ill.
They send you a lot of information in the mail if you are a panel member also to wear you down and distract you from reading other things.
This is ongoing, just against people whom no one will trust over the abuser.
The Psych Centers are full of Nurse Ratchets.
The scariest thing about this villain is that you've met one before, and you hated every minute of their existence in your presence.
This villain could be a hero if she had a clearer understanding of her job. It should be to make patients well, but it seems that her personal mission is to keep the peace at all costs. The Drs approve her results without ever setting foot in her ward. The only time we see them is in their offices. Had they been present on the unit and seen her methods, they could have corrected her.
Mrs. Macnamara
Still fricking hate her to this day
It was a lot different when I was in the hospital. We were allowed to play cards (spades) and watch t.v. and write whatever we wanted in our journals, and they had an arts & crafts time scheduled for every day so you could maybe bond with another geek over coloringbooks and soduku puzzles or just listen to radio, hoping some grunge or one of the funner pop selections made an appearance, and there were other classes where they taught you relaxing ways to stretch out your body. I mean, there were drawbacks, too, but seriously you couldn't ask for more improvements. Better quality of patients maybe, but then you know that's a fair ways off.
I have met 5 people like her (probably more but 5 comes to mind immediately). 1 was a female school counselor. 1 was a male staff member at a mental hospital. 1 was a female nurse at a different mental hospital. And 1 was a male teacher at a special education school. When I was a kid, that "1 female school counselor" was responsible for putting me on a trajectory in my childhood, a trajectory that caused me to go to a mental hospital for the third time in my childhood for a bullsh*t reason (the first 2 times I went was because of suicide, but I kept my mouth quiet after that). During that 3rd visit, I had met the female nurse like Nurse Ratched and was forced into special education upon getting out. At age 16, I dropped out of school specifically because I wanted control over my own life and because people like Nurse Ratched exist everywhere where there is a therapy-like setting. Since dropping out of high school, I took and passed the GED, graduated college with a math degree, and got a good job.
@@thoryan3057 Good for you. Some people don't need help, they need people to get the hell out of the way.
Nurse Ratched is the scariest kind of evil. Passive aggressive, never raises her voice and very methodical. Louise Fletcher was amazing in this role and definitely earned that Oscar.
Sounds like the average older white lady
Jay Louis 82 she raised her voice telling Cheswick to sit down. That was it.
She's a Cancer ♋
I found it interesting that she carried this off similarly in ST: Deep Space Nine as Kai Winn, the pathologically ambitious 'Pope' of the Bajoran people. At first, I didn't like her wooden delivery, but the way she could get under your skin with it was, actually, part of her brilliant performance. A false sweetness that was woodenly dogmatic, but thinly veiling a vicious vindictiveness that was often murderous in its presentation. She became one of the best villains in Star Trek, IMHO. She was completely irredeemable and was ultimately consumed by the 'demons' that she was so willing to serve.
She was terrific considering that she came out of a 10 year retirement the year before.
On my first full day in the psych ward, not knowing the smoking rules, I asked if I could go smoke a cigarette. The nurse smiled and handed me a cigarette. I said "thank you." Knowing I couldn't have a lighter, he said "so how you gonna light it" laughing at me along with the other nurses. It's very far from the trauma that so many others experience in hospitals, but since it was meant to be a subtle dig at my inability to look after myself, it was dehumanizing enough to remember exactly how I felt in that moment 20 years later.
I'm so sorry you had that experience. Some people will do anything to make themselves feel powerful.
You could have said, I'm just gonna go outside and rub two sticks together...how else do people make fire(and had serious look on your face). Lol that would have fixed that person ☺️.
Everyones voting for chicken or fish right now on a highjacked airplane, but my point is it doesn't matter who is head of state or psychiatric hospital if the people in charge have intentions to devalue you and gain dominance or manipulate the situation for the lust of control. it could be sadistuc control, fear of not having control, humiliation of not being in control, these people are more damaged and abused then the pain they righteously inflict
Bad stuff happens to people in life and most of the stuff you try to forget, but stuff like that is stuff you never forget. It’s incidents in life like that you remember late at night. People can be very cruel.
True. One common denominator we all share though especially for those snobby types, none of us are getting out alive.
I’m a survivor of narcissistic abuse. Watching Nurse Ratched gave me chills because so many tactics and so much non-verbal manipulation were used on me in real life.
What has been amazing to me this past year, in talking to people who knew the family, is how many people saw the manipulation and control, but refused to believe it could be that bad, and therefore dismissed and overlooked it. Meanwhile, in my own cuckoo’s nest, I was terrified, trapped in my own psychological hell.
Thank God my kids and I are out and have minimal contact with our own Nurse Ratched. Life is so much better when up is up, down is down, and we’re free to drink in the flowers and sunshine that *we* see and value.
I grew up in much the same way as you did. I'm the oldest of my siblings so it was my responsibility to protect them and to take care of them as much as I was capable of doing because I too was only a young child. Literally no one I turned to for help would help us either. My five year old brother sustained a traumatic head injury in 1975 because our father caught him playing with the circuit breaker and as a punishment he bashed his head repeatedly into the circuit breaker until his head was flat and bone fragments were embedded into his brain. He was hospitalized for a year upon which he was released back into our mothers custody. Our dad got away with it because mother claimed Bobbly fell down the stairs. We were always falling down the stairs. Years later we were removed from school and taken into protective custody because of the bleeding through our clothes from a severe beating with a razor strap the night before. They kept my sister in foster care but returned me and my brain damaged brother to mother and her psychotic boyfriend who fancied himself Hitler reincarnated, our house a prison camp, and us kids Jews. When I was a teen I went to the local police station and begged officers to take me somewhere, even lock me up in jail, anything but send me back home. They put me in a childrens shelter, that turned out to be just as abusive as my mothers house. I then went into a fostor home with a barfly for a foster mom. She brought men home to sexually harass me as she watched drunk and high on drugs. So, I went back home to mother. On my 18th birthday I fled mothers house as she wouldn't be receiving anymore Welfare benefits on my behalf and I knew she would make money off of me one way or another. When I was 25 she called me and apologized for everything she had ever done and asked for a chance to be my mother again. I still secretly wanted a mother more than anything else, I wanted a mom. So I told her I forgive you, mom. Then she invited me to spend Christmas with her and asked that I come alone. Weeks later she called and asked if I had checked the mail yet. I told her I hadn't. She told me to go check it then let her know if I'd received a letter from her. After I got back I told her there is something here from you. She said "Okay, then open it and sign your name where I've marked a red X." She said it's a $5,000 funeral expense policy so if I die before her she can give me a decent burial. I told her I'm going to read it before signing it. She said "I just told you what it is you don't have to read it!" I read it then said "Mom, this is a $500,000 accidental death life insurance policy from Mutual of Omaha!" She was pissed to say the least. i told her I'm not signinig it. I"m glad I left on my 18th birthday or I know for certain I wouldn't have made it to my 19th. There isn't any help for children. Even the ones who're supposed to help either sexually exploit, traffic, and abuse the ones they're supposed to protect.
I've lived through it as well. I'm sorry to hear it, and congratulations on getting out and healing.
@@surefirebeast0599 May God continue to guide you and protect you ♥️♥️🙏👏I hope you believe he sees all and you will be redeemed, even better things for you and they will feel God's wrath soon!🌪️✨
Watching Precious gave me chills due to our parallels.
The funniest thing is McMurray is also a narcissist, if not a psychopath
The scary and sad thing is so-called 'care workers' like this, do actually exist in real life.
Most of my teachers were like this
I am in an old folks home. We have a nurse just like her. We are all scared of her. But we can never leave this place.
@@gmailaccount1894 oh my heart goes out to you ... I am a nurse and I have worked in old folks homes off and on during the years,, believe me I know exactly what you are talking about. I have had to work with evil people like this .. and I have had to fight for the rights of the residents too .. I think some of the kind of nurses that you are talking about should never have become nurses at all.. cold hearted bitches!!
Child Protective Services are full of Nurse Ratcheds
I know a few nurse Ratchets in care homes usually the older ladies
She never accepts that Mac helped them more than she did.
She hates him for his empathy and power to help others that she her sadistic and vile sociopathic self cannot attain to, despite being paid to help others.
Mac just showed them the facts of life, while the modern world told them lies which conflicted with their experience.
@@donotresussitate She hates men because nobody would marry her, so she uses her job to get revenge on them.
The real problem was the lack of any Drs in her ward. The Drs cannot see what goes on, but simply assume everything is fine because they never have problems in her unit. No news is good news.
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What made Nurse Ratchet so evil is because she herself never thought of herself as an evil person but a person of great morals that made her feel superior towards others she felt was beneath her.
davy209 THAT is what scared the shit out of me years ago LOL
The scary part is, there are real people who think like that!
There are thousands of people like her in healthcare, and other institutions waiting for us to be admitted. Look up the Stanford Prison Experiment. These people develop into the evil they become. It is the position of power over the helpless that manifests their wickedness, and desire for control. The power and control over these people fuels their sadism. It could happen to anyone, and anyone could become a victims. It's true horror, and something we will all face sometime in our lives, whether it's at work, or in hospital. We will all be victim to it at some point in life.
@@davy209 A lot of right wing evangelicals are exactly like that.
Yes, a lot of evangelicals are scary!
Im a nurse my self, and let me tell you women like her, are celebrated within our community for their perfectionism and sterile methods
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Uh oh I think we got one her . Everyone be nice!
@@Cannabis112 LOL
You're not helping.
You can't help people with a hard heart.
@@mr.2cents.846 It really does depend on the person's intent. Being hard
Be a great barrier or it can be a cruel tool.
I like that her hairdo reminds one of horns. This was intentional, subtle, and brilliant cinematography.
Very astute. The devil incarnate. What an insanely fantastic performance she gave! There was a commentator who said that in her Oscar speech, she said "thank you all for hating me so much". One classy lady.
I was JUST looking at that. Amazing
@@Luckimee Some say I'm neurodivergent.Yeah, probably. But I notice details and I love that about myself.
Yooooo I never thought about that !!! Your absolutely spot on with that
She looked like Bram Stokers Dracula, before Bram Stoker’s Dracula.
In junior high I read my first book on the Holocaust. I was stunned and said to my dad, a WW2 vet, "That couldn't happen today, could it?" He replied, "Sure. You will always find people who are willing to be as cruel as the law allows."
@Peter Nielsen you know exactly what people gary is on about.. :-)
you just don,t like to equate it to that horrible period.. we will all see soon enough how most people will react, like sheep to the slaughter...
even betraying own family because of covid/vaccin will be a thing of the near future..
Abortionists.
It couldn't happen today because it didn't happen yesterday.
Your dad understood the truth about humans
@sv_cheats 1 I had an abortion due to rape and two for medical reasons. Just an FYI, forced pregnancy is considered a human rights violation
After my mum died when I was 13, I was sent to live with an aunt who was exactly like this. I actually took myself to children's services and asked to be placed in foster care rather than live with her. Instead of helping me, they called her and told her. Dealing with people like this is so traumatic. Every single day is like walking on eggshells. Constantly in fear, having your every move controlled and seeing that it brings someone whose meant to care about you, pure joy. Horrible.
I've had many pounds of flesh gouged out of me by several in my lifetime. I believe that some of us are magnetic to them. And they seem to have a genius - though they may be dullwitted otherwise, two of mine were - at doing things which will be destructive but which they can get away with, unless they die unrepentant...
My mother had that stare.
@YumYum , many.
Are you OK
@@hoshimaruhajime7933 Yep. Better than ever. How are you?
Mack was so close to killing her. So damn close- he might have been lobotomized either way but at least she wouldn't have hurt anyone anymore
yes, that is my exact thought too. the darkest twist ever. she shouldve died
and that is the weirdest statement i ever gave! 😊
It is because evil, especially evil like hers, always wins .
@@anilin6353 she hasnt. By the native American escaping, she lost.
He's an indien.
"Monsters don't have glowing eyes and fangs, monsters look like you and me."
- Someone Somewhere.
They are you and me. Any person who doesn't understand that given the right circumstances and right conditions that they can become what others deem a sadistic monster don't understand themselves
@@peaknonsense2041 and are often the most susceptible to evil
"Monsters are real, and ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes they win."
- Stephen King
We are the monsters who invented monsters so we don't have to face ourselves
@@magallanesagustin4952 "This inhuman place creates human monsters"
Her methods very much resemble the church of Scientology’s programs. They collect your traumatic memories and triggers, and then use them against you when you defy their authority.
What is your ruin?
That’s what you get when you abandon actual religion for more deviant and eccentric options……
@@krypticunlimited6925 What does this even mean. What is an eccentric religion?
Well that's because they are a cult silly. They have to do that or people will realize what nut jobs they are
@@UnholyWrath3277 no way, I thought they were a perfectly reputable organized religion
Oooh... I've met her. Many times in different forms. She's out there. Sadly there's millions of her
Yep, the feminist-propaganda makes more and more hypocrites everyday.
@@ToyotaGuy1971 Nobody mentioned feminists yet you still feel the need to bitch and moan about them
@@LucasSantos-ss6ou Don't be a hypocrite saying I'm "bitching and moaning"; I'm merely pointing out an important issue that can't be over-addressed, and it's relevant, here.
@Gigawatt these types of people pre-date modern feminists. Let's not pretend the horrors of the asylum and mentally ill didn't exist only a few decades ago. If we blame this on something completely unrelated then we can never solve the issue. The system needs to be changed but people are more concerned about proving their agenda than solving it, like you.
It's pretty disgusting to blame a modern problem on something that didn't even exist a some decades ago, and only proves further that you have an agenda and will bend and twist any topic to suit it, instead of caring to solve the issue. But that's very typical of feminists and antifeminists (like yourself) alike. It's a completely disrespectful to people who have suffered at the hands of a busive authority figures. But you don't care about that, the only thing you care about is proving your agenda even at the expense of others. It's gross.
Do u think maybe, Maybe born bad but there could be a evil demons possess those bad nurse to do evil like demon go into Judas to betray Christ
Her name is Louise Fletcher. She is still with us at 87yrs. She was born to deaf parents, and maybe that's why her facial features say so much. Also she won best actress in a lead role for playing Nurse Ratchet.
I’ve worked in this field for over 15 years… I always say there are two types of ppl who do this job… those who actually care, and those who love to control others…I’ve seen it many times
True this
I'm neither. I don't care and I don't care about controlling others or their politics. The paycheck is all that matters and doing the job right.
I worked in dementia care both in homes and in the community and sadly you are spot on. The problem is care is very underpaid and agencies etc are always desperate for staff so like you said you either get carers/nurses who do it for the love and others shouldn't be allowed anywhere near vulnerable people. So sad.
@@newshades7009 People who hurt animals, the vulnerable and children are the WORST kind of people on this planet.
@@a.m.308 that's a worrying statement. Perhaps you're in the wrong job?
What's scary is a lot actual people are like her. Teachers, clerks, stewards, etc. I had a teacher like her.
Ok
Extremely horrific when you encounter a cop or even a judge like that. Both, I had the unfortunate experience of having to deal with.
I definitely did.
Amen, and they get away with their BS, but for me, in the end, I outlived all of'em.......and you have to wonder what it was all for,.......senseless behavior..........
Lesbian boy haters. The Teachers unions just moves them to another school when it gets obvious. Two years usually.
The look in her eye when she’s on the floor getting strangled, when Nicholson realizes what he’s doing, is one of utter glee, because in that moment she knows she’s won. She’s finally broken Mac Murphy. It’s a genius moment.
oh God I remember that scene so vividly, when I saw it in the movies the first time.. when the scene was over I suddenly realized that I had been sitting really forward in my seat and physically going through the motions of Mac Murphy strangling her.. I hated her so much at that moment!! yes it was a genius moment!!
I’ve seen this in real life, that moment when someone should is genuinely happy you reacted poorly to their subtle consistent abuse.
Really? That's something I'll have to think about. I never thought of that scene that way. I just saw it as a look of abject terror of Ratched's worst nightmare: a patient out of her control and killing her, and well done, too.
I disagree. She paniced, because she faced an unbroken men she was no threat for. She was surprised by his attack, because she did not expect that McMurphy would dare it. Caused by the attack she lost her selfcontrol for a moment. Thus, she was broken , not MacMurphy, who admittedly payed a high price, but he accepted it. Mac Murphy acted like a man.
She lost. Mac gave her a fate worse than death by taking away her voice to command others and she realizes and understands how everyone else views her. As a result, she did become a little more humble in the end, asking someone (forgot his name) how he felt and genuinely meaning it.
After I had my daughter the one nurse that came In told me if I had gotten anything on the sheets again I would just have to deal with it. I wanted to try and go to the bathroom but didn’t want to bother her. I was tired and because it was not a smooth birth (almost had her on my kitchen floor but made it to a hospital that doesn’t deliver babies 🙃 lol ) I actually thought I did something wrong. Another nurse came to check on me a bit afterwards and I still felt bad so I asked her to tell the other nurse I was sorry. She was furious and told me I could have as many sheets as I needed and helped me to the bathroom. She left the room and came back a few minutes later with a stack of sheets in hand with a look of satisfaction on her face that only comes from giving a bitch what she deserves 😏
Hi Brittany, your comment made me wonder how old your child is now....and if that experience had been impactful enough to have left it's mark for a number of years. some people are damaged, to different levels, for weeks, months, years and lifetimes by acts of cruelty/meanness/power seeking of others.
There is some justice in this world
At least the Oscars got this one right: 100% deserved for Louise Fletcher.
yes agree some many duds
Kathy Bates earned hers 100% too
everyone earned their oscars back then
Julian Velasquez exactly 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@tinseltownchick same for Grammy. Grammy is a joke nowadays.
The Billy scene makes me cry. She killed him!!! And he was such a sweetheart who had been abused mannnn and she just pushed him 😭😭😭. I can't
God this film is bloody sad at the end
I played Undertale bloody GTA 4
Watched Joker 2019 and Avengers infinity war
And those I hold my tears
This film gave me a tear in the end this is the most luckiest movie find I ever seen
@CaliDorko then you must have no brain
@CaliDorko fuck bro you’re so tough I wish I was like you 😂
@CaliDorko already way past that, maybe you’re just not that tough after all?
@CaliDorko no you act like it though by posting your original comment trying to sound like some kind of hard ass
"Villainy wears many masks - none so dangerous as the mask of virtue."
-Ichabod Crane, Sleepy Hollow (1999)
I’ve seen the “Nurse Ratched” type: smug, know-it-all, vindictive, cruel. It’s amazing that these types often come from “helping professions”. The most devastating scene in the film is when Nurse Ratched causes Billy to commit suicide. The way she does it so casually makes it all the more monstrous.
It wasn’t Nurse Ratched who did that, it was Mcmurphy by forcing Billy to Fornicate!!!! Mcmurphy was a massive threat to her hospital and out of the goodness of her heart refused to Lobotomize him until she was forced to!!! Nurse Ratched is the only competent figure at the hospital!!!
She has always reminded me of an elementary teacher on a power trip X1000. She is obsessed with control and her rules, she knew McMurphy was really a normal person trying to work the system by escaping jail time so she took extra pleasure in tormenting him and keeping him there longer.
I’ve noticed a lot of teachers like this most are “liberal” ironically
Nurse Ratchet is a quite common personality type. She's more of a type of person than a character as far as I can tell.
Istj
@@marokanetc literally almost the exact opposite of me haha. infp baby
she is exactly like my stepmother....one time she lost her $hit and started yelling at me HOW DARE YOU DEFYYY ME....!
Most of us have experienced authority figures very much like this in our lives from school teachers, to bosses, politicians, law enforcement, security guards, even politicians. Such professions attracts these kinds of people because they are able to act out their psychosis and bully instincts as long as it's couched in the pretense of order and righteousness.
She is just like many people but to a more hyperbolic level and in a position of power. People like her sadly do get into positions of power or they create the illusion they are and think they are. Truly my least favourite personality and i know people like it
As an actor, Louise Fletcher’s performance is absolutely magnetic to watch and a testament to how much a specific subtext can really bring to a character.
yes, it is a brilliant. Never seen anything else like it. Ledgers Joker is nothing in comparison, and that sais a lot, eespecially since that. is brilliant too.
I've always loved her acting here I don't think any other actress could have played this part so well
@@whutdafeq1715Kathy Bates could have I think. But maybe I am saying this because Louise Fletcher and Kathy Bates are the only 2 people that scare the hell out of me in the history of film. The men don't scare me but they do !
Another thing is that she knew Billy was going to commit suicide, that was part of her plan to get things back in order.
She purposely pushed him over the edge by mentioning his mother. Sick evil woman
did she anticipate the suicide? i would thinl tjat that was the one thing that didn't go accprding to plan.
@@GIANTSKY she did she saw his suicide as a great attempt to get control of the Patients again
@@justinbarton8808 she’s terrible and what’s more scary is that there are people like her in the real world in many different hospitals as we speak
She knew he would because she knew exactly how to make him do it.
I first saw this movie as a kid, and I remember desperately rationalising everything Ratched did because, to my mind, nurses and doctors were all good people. It took me a good amount of time to spot how toxic and vile she was. Its truly amazing how powerful imagery can be to hide evil
Great comment, very astute observation. The book was great, too.
thats also what happens when youre a kid under the care of a person like this. its why most people dont speak up about abuse until its waaaay too late to get justice
That’s how psychopaths manage to rule our world. They climb their way up to the top by manipulating and stepping on other people to get there.
My Father is an English professor who has taught One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, both the book and the movie, multiple times. A few years ago he got me to watch the movie with him since I had only heard about it from hearing him talk about his classes. Afterwards, he mentioned a consistent phenomenon which he had noticed in his students reviews of the book and movie. Primarily, he mentioned how many of his students desperately sought to sympathize with Nurse Ratched, seeing her sadistic and sociopathic tendencies as being either nonexistent or for some greater good because "a person in a position of authority obviously couldn't be evil". Its kind of scary that the same thought process you were describing in yourself as a child also exists in the minds of college-age adults.
I think some people just don't want to accept that authority figures can be evil which is understandable because we are supposed to trust them, look up to them and sometimes rely on them.
I love encountering bullies like this. The look in their eyes when they know, I know, they know I am utterly unconcerned by them is delicious. I detest bullies with a passion.
There is nothing I hate more than a bully, and there is nothing I love more than seeing a bully suffer.
That's nice. But the thing is, when they have sufficient power and authority over you, your lack of concern becomes irrelevant. When someone can lock you in a cage or even have you lobotomized, not taking them seriously isn't a victory. In fact it's a very risky mistake.
@@OlympicLeprechaun Hazing is beneficial for the whole species. Getting the weak to become strong, or quit, means the group is stronger overall.
@@brandondavis7777 following your logic to its natural conclusion, why don’t you just make your own concentration camps?
@@brandondavis7777 weirdo
In the book, Rachet makes sure that when Murphy's body comes back from being lobotomized, his body is put front and center in the day room with "Patrick R. McMurphy. Post-Operative. Lobotomy" clearly stated on his gurney. His body is put on display as if it's a trophy she won; a message to the rest that this is what happens when you try to fight the system. He's displayed for a full day in this way, all of the other patients are able to see for themselves the full extent of what happened to their rebellious champion. Compared to the movie, where only the Chief gets to see him for a few minutes, I think the book's ending is more cruel. Salt in the wound. Rachet/the system can't afford to give McMurphy any quiet dignity in the end, even after they have won completely.
I completely recommend the book to anyone who enjoyed the movie. 10/10
I thought the book was better, but the book had a different ending too. Besides the fact that Mac was lobotomised and the Chief euthanased him, the important part of the ending that the movie misses is that all the patients actually left. If I remember correctly, there were only about three or four of the main characters left on the ward when McMurphy is brought back and put in the display room. None of the patients leave in the movie.
I don't know how someone can enjoy that shit. Smh
Not "can't afford to."
"Won't."
i read the book, but years ago. it fits, at least had they brought him into the ward during the day…of course Chief would’ve waited until the evening. i know that it was an indie movie-but you make an excellent point. (they could’ve even had her turn OFF the music for MacMurphy’s entrance).
@@mcfrisko834 Well, instead of "enjoy", better wording might be "find interesting" or "apprecuate the poignancy of."
I had an Aunt like this. When she was asked to watch me while my parents went out, she would agree but it was only to torment me. While her son got lunch, a drink, and could sit inside her house. She made me sit outside (saying I would break things), drank only water (since she bought that drink specifically for her son), and I was given some haphazard lunch made from leftovers. When her son tried to play with me, she would let him know, in a veiled threat sort of way, that he would be punished for "acting silly." In the end, I had to sit on the patio in the sun listening to her talk to him inside about how selfish and spoiled I was. Her act with my father was complete. She had him believing that I was making things up and I was going to become a horrible person someday. The only reason she stopped watching me is because I told my mother that I would end my life if she ever left me with her again. I said this at seven years old.
Years later, I found out that she used to drug her father by putting sleeping pills, mashed up, into his food to keep him asleep while at home. When I turned 18, my gf at the time was 17 and one month away from turning 18. She told the entire family that I was a child ...predator (trying to find a word less offensive) and that all of her siblings children and grandchildren were unsafe around me. I saw her years later at a family reunion. I looked at her coldly from where I stood when she arrived. As coldly as I have looked at anyone ever in my life. She got back into the car, said she was ill, had a panic attack (real or faked), then went home. I always wondered if it was just me she hated and why, or if she hated all things she couldn't control fully...like her son.
I worked in a mental hospital in my early 20's, i can tell you from actual experience this exists. When i quit they begged me to stay and asked what they could do to keep me, i said clearly fire that lady. "We can't, her daughter runs the hospital"
That shouldn't even be allowed.
I 100% agree with both of you. I ended up working multiple 16 hour shifts with no actual bathroom/smoke break and no lunches due to her never coming to relieve me from patient watch (its potential criminal charges of neglect if you just up and leave with no one watching, so i couldn't even leave the room to grab someone to give me a break). She would also get in patients faces and talk down to them or scream and get them all riled up or play tricks on them, evil was this lady and her friends that acted just like her.
@InSanctvs thanks buddy! That was 15 years ago and I'm happily working in Tokyo Japan now, but i will never forget the devil that was Barb Andersen.
Nepotism, whether literal or figurative, runs a great many systems in this world that it shouldn't touch.
I do wonder why the relatives dont comlain,im sure it all shows through...
This video is a testament to the actress’s amazing skills. If she were a lesser actress, there would be nothing to cover. The writing is there, but arguably minimalist. So much of it depends on the delivery.
Sad thing being she did such a good job that she got typecast and it limited her career for quite a while...
@@bhatkat That was the role of a lifetime. I never understand how one actor can be typecast but other ones aren't. Like Nicholson wasn't type cast because of this role although it seemed a lot of his parts were always rebels of some sort.
I once met a girl that was a nurse in a hospital. She weirded me out when she told me she doesn’t care about the patients, and that her job is to assist the doctors ONLY. Scary!
That's awful. Imagine how horribly she must treat them if she's not even ashamed to just go around randomly saying that as if it's normal. 😟
Sounds like she was a theatre nurse.
This is quite common now as we see many of these sick communist doctors and nurses have openly killed many people on the ventilation systems during the "pandemic". Heros? my ass!
that's indeed scary but they exist. i can't count the number of Nurse Ratcheds i've worked with over the years.
yes everyone is over-worked these days but that's not an excuse to be a professional terrorist.
Those kind of people shouldn’t be nurses or doctors, that’s horrible
The scariest thing about the character was just how much she resembles someone else. Everyone knows a nurse ratched
My mother, a nurse, trained at that hospital for one month. After seeing the movie as a boy, I asked her if she was scared working with mentally ill patients. She replied, "I was more afraid of the parking lot outside than the people inside." Those few words spoke volumes to me.
I had a regional manager like this. A coworker killed himself after an extremely rough night, and she declared a meeting a couple of days later. I heard later from other workers and herself, that the meeting was about a new limited time product we were selling. I nearly quit the job then and there until an acquaintance made a GoFundMe for his family.
Quit. It's not worth it. Try to line something else up first of course.
I have a lot of responsibilities, kids, etc. But i decided to not pretend for these psychos anymore. If you gotta lie to yourself for a few bucks, you're debasing and devaluing yourself anyway. Fuck that paycheck, keep your soul, brother.
@@playbackproductions1 Oh I left a couple months and couple breakdowns after that bs. I'm at a much better paying job now.
@@waynes.wilson6616 congratulations man, glad you’re in a better situation now!
Sounds like Amazon
@@JAWdropone it was a pizza place actually😂
Always thought her hairdo looked like devil's horns.
That was purposeful, as I recall a video essay pointing out to me.
@@ferrisbueller9991 That wouldn't surprise me, as directors/writers are always using symbology as metaphor.
Satans daughter. She knew who she was so she had to represent her daddy.
Yeah those god awful victory buns
Not to diss anyone who was around in the 1940s and wore them but I always thought of it as a strange and cringe hairstyle
i thought they were cat ears
She had all the doctors at the institution tricked too, and they were psychiatrists. I always noticed in the movie that the orderlies were power hungry too.
The worst part, there’s a lot of nurses out there like this, I remember being in hospital, 4years ago, after a car accident on the trauma and orthopaedics ward and she came in to our male bay, and said she wants a nice relaxed evening tonight, as if we were a bunch of kids, what she didn’t realise is I worked at the same hospital in A&E, her job was to take care of all our needs, not a place of work she comes to for a break so she can eat chocolate and drink coffee. The NHS is littered with people like her.
NHS is a mess a anyway and you definitely sound like one of those entitled and needy patients, exactly like a child. The NHS literally cannot provide safe and adequate staffing for its hospitals yet the organisation and public acts surprised with the poor quality of care that takes place and still maintains their high expectations. You don't have to be a genius to do the maths on that one. The whole country is in denial and nothing is being done about it... Only solution is to end the NHS that is the trainwreck it is and privatise it. Only then you will get the quality of care that you demand for, as long as you can afford it lol.
I remember when my mother was sent to the emergency room. I got called about it and rushed over. I go into the emergency wing and go up to the desk to ask where my mother is and what does the nurse say right off of the bat? She interrupted me and tells me to stand behind the line. Mind you in a very cruel cold voice. I’m thinking my mom is in the ER and you’re giving me shit about not standing behind the line? Fuck you. So while it’s not in the same vein as Nurse Ratched, this nurse sure was despicable.
I bet!
Sadly I believe this true. I have witnessed outright derelict of nursing duties while a hospital patient, not of me but others.
Don’t forget the psych ward nurses too! I’ve read some true horror stories. Makes me want to be double secure in an attempt so I don’t survive and end up there !
When she collected her Oscar, I was in awe how sweet her smile actually is. She also delivered a touching speech. But when she's back to poker face, you just wanna avenge McMurphy 😂
That was back when the Oscars were actually about honoring good actors & actress's & not pushing & pandering to political agenda's & celebrities talking down to the everyday people that made them famous in the first place.
Louise hated playing the role of nurse ratched because it was so contrary to her true nature!
She posed for pictures in the set in her bra and panties to show the cast she is not like Nurse Ratched.
Murmurations
Imagine no politics in a world literally run by it...🤦♂️
But that's what we need; actors (and screenwriters, for that matter) who understand that sometimes characters should be entirely loathsome. We live in a time where every villain is watered down and given a sob story (I.e. Maleficent). I've had enough of that. Horrible ppl who do horrible things exist in the real world and there's no reason to detract from this fact.
But that is why they are called "actresses."
Blerk Snarfgut
Well you completely missed the point of maleficent if you think that.
That movie didn’t say that there aren’t truly evil people. It said that the truly evil person of the fairy tale was the selfish and deceiving king. Not maleficent. It’s a tale about prejudice and how humans will easily believe the worst about someone different from them due to their appearance. While maleficent did curse aurora, her compassion and love towards aurora transformed maleficent into the true hero of the movie. The movie reinforced the idea that sleeping beauty’s tale was always told with maleficent as the clear antagonist, despite the clear villain being the king.
Also there are plenty of films with clearly evil antagonists. I really don’t know what you’re talking about💀
She could play the most beautiful characters, and then there was this role - truly a troubled soul! R.I.P. Louise Fletcher 1934-2022.
It's sickening how familiar her actions are to me that I received from a school teacher when I was young.
I've met nurses like this. It's scary.
When I went to elementary school in early 90's I had a grade teacher that sounds just too familiar. She had somekind of antipathy towards boys so she tormented them all the time, by belitling, mocking and bringing them down. She used to also give detention to boys of the class for absolutely arbitary reasons, and I have had to sit in a lot of detentions because of something a girl in my class did. She'd only say that she knew it was me since girls wouldn't do anything bad. It got so bad that me and a couple of others changed schools. Towards end of the tenure I was in that elementary I would sit 2-5 hours a week in detention, for arbitary reasons. I did some small kid shit that deserved it, but yeah lol, nothing in this magnitude. This isn't just my perception either. A lot of the grades kids parents were talking about it, even parents of the girls. Apparently 7-8 yo girls got so worried about her behavior they told on her.
I've lost touch with most of my classmates from that time. I know that one of the boys became a truck driver, one is mentally so miserable now he can't keep a job, 4 I know became addicts, and 1 went to prison. A alarmingly high rate in one small class of 17-20 kids in a country where drugs and crime is low. I have to think that only thing that connects us is that teacher who tormented them when they were in their most vulnerable part of growing up.
Sad but true😣
@@Pyllymysli that’s the victim mindset right there. You’re all mentally fkd because your 7th grade teacher was a bitch? Unless there’s more trauma that she caused that you’re not getting into, y’all should’ve been able to fully recover by now...
@@MrCaptainTea bad bait 0/10; didn't even get a reply from the target😂😂
The way she knew what buttons to press with Billy by mentioning his mother and how disappointed she would be with him, and then he did what he did. She was pure evil.
I've known Teachers like this.
How many teachers aren't like this?
@@wmhhealth2018 Almost all of them, I'd say.
EDIT: Y'all seem to be misunderstanding my position pretty badly here. Nurses and teachers are unsung fucking heroes.
@@wmhhealth2018 Me
@@OpinionatedAussie Is that why you identify as “John Doe”?
@@FallenHellscape is what why I identify as John Doe?
The 'nice thing' about the real-life equivalents of Ratched (former care-worker here) is they typically die wretched and alone...Usually within the institutions they 'manage.' Compassion is wasted upon them, they'd show none so they receive 'none.'
Mac was the embodiment of freedom. Nurse Ratchet was control.
What ensued was a battle of minds and idealogy.
Not control: ENSLAVEMENT.
Society enslaved people, and Ratched was Simon La Gree.
The eyes, the devil horns-liked hair style, the emotionless in her voice when she talks to the patients, the feeling of the taking control in her behaves,...
No wonder why she always makes me feel scared and powerless.
You've just described most nurses I have encountered. Polite and civil but and without emotion. They are not paid to show emotion...they are paid to perform the mechanics of their job. I remember my one experience in the emergency room and I was horrified at how cold but polite the nurses were. Their eyes were empty of all feeling.
The hair / it’s true / like devil horns
@@jackanthony976 Good nurses and caregivers are diamonds in the rough. Their job is so hard and they have to put up with the evil nurses, so that makes it even harder.
I remember watching this at 26 years old. No one had ever seen a female villain like this. She was so complicated, and overwhelming for the time. What a movie and what a performance.
It chills my blood to know people like this not only existed, but continue to exist and torment the most vulnerable people out there
Good villains don’t think they are evil. They think they are the hero. That’s what makes them interesting.
Nurse Ratched really thought she was helping those tortured men.
They don’t think they’re evil, they think they are the hero...Welcome to the Trump administration
@@tyslims2805 wat
She wasn't evil, if there was evil, it was the hospital beaurocracy
No, I don't think she thought she was helping them. I think she knew exactly what she was doing and she didn't care. They were vulnerable people, easy to bully and manipulate.
@@Chasstful Indeed, she was just doing her job, the job the hospital administration wanted her to do, and doing it well. She wasn't trying to be of service to the patients, she was trying to be of service to the people who signed her paycheck. Keeping people in captivity supposedly "for their own benefit" and giving them "medical treaments in their bests interests," without getting their consent, and in many cases with they saying they would prefer to refuse the treatments,, that is at the heart of the matter - it is the idea that you can "treat" adults without their consent, and the PRETENSE that imprisonment, shock treatment, and pre-frontal lobotomy, damaging brain surgery, are "medical" treatments. If you think this is hospital is part of the past - you are not entirely correct. People are STILL getting shock treatments despite vociferously refusing consent. They are still getting locked up and held in captivity with the pretense that it is helping them, when we all know it is being done to punish them. And this is done to them on the say-so, usually, of just two physicians, both of whom usually give the patient a very cursory examination, if any examination at all. It is punishement for a "crime" of being annoyingly different, and being less powerful than their relatives who claim they are acting "mentally ill," without the benefit of a trial by their peers, and their punishment is not for a prescribed amount of time, but instead, "until they get better." With better being simply the opinion of a psychiatrist re what is better. Nurse ratchet is just the stand-in for this system. The real problem is too much power in the hands of medical doctors and government employees. The face of this power that the patients see. But I see the MD's and the government officials. She is doing what she does to please the people who write her paycheck. That is why the hospital administrator says she is one of their best nurxes.
She is one of the fictional characters I loathe with a passion. Up there with Umbridge from Harry Potter. A sense of being all right and all mighty while denying any fault
lawful evils
Umbridge is the first character I thought of as well that compares to Ratchet. Evil hiding behind her position and her smile.
Oh yeah! Umbridge, Ratched, Margaret White and even Olivia Foxworth (Flowers In The Attic) are all characters we can agree to hate
Anytime someone mentions Harry Potter, their opinions are laughable at best.
Yes, a malignant narcissist/sociopath. I've been mauled by several during my life, and they left wounds which affect me frequently.
She is the personification of the system. As long as obedience is given all is fine. But to step out of line is seen as a threat that must be cut out and removed. Mac is freedom. Freedom to choose, to love, enjoy, and the power of the spirit, which is seen as a danger by the system. It can infect others. Give them hope and strength. Dissolving their fear of the system.
So, Mac can either take his 'medication' willingly or have it forced upon him. But, if all else fails, the system will destroy the spirit in order to maintain order and the schedule.
The only way to truly be free is to break out of the system. To live outside of it
Exactly.
@mewabe4 At the end, the Chief smashes his way to freedom 😁
@mewabe4 And we need to remember that it's everywhere. No social security so you work or starve and be homeless. As George Carlin said, "what they want is obedient workers".
That's a slippery train of thought, if I have ever heard of one.
Destinations: It will workout well; the idea that the system is purely evil and there's no hope for improvement so it's much easier to 'destroy it'; easily destroying other's lives for 'freedom' or 'for the good of all'.
@@ΣκοτώνωΧαρά There speaks a conservative!
She was absolutely terrifying. I've worked in mental facilities. Most of the people in charge care about only one thing and that is power over their patients. It has nothing to do with what is best for the patients, or therapy, or helping someone heal. It is only about power and control.
You triggered a memory of me meeting the most attractive young woman that had just become a psychiatric nurse. She did weird me out a bit when we talked about how dangerous her new job would be, she said in an almost satisfied way she knew she would get beat up. We danced all night and she invited me and my friends back to her place. I was confident I'd found a beautiful new girlfriend. As we were leaving however, the bouncer asked my buddy Little Chief (Shane) to get out, that he wasn't welcome in their bar. I stood up to the bouncer and called him a bigot, told him to get back inside as he had no business outside the doors. He was just itching to attack me but the owner told him to drop it and go back in.
When all of us got to her apartment, one of her girlfriends met me at the door and told me that everyone was welcome but me. I was not allowed in. I never did see her again. I could never figure out why she didn't respect me defending my friend.
The US still has plenty of Nurse Ratcheds in our health care system.
Chilly Willy not “health care”. Illness care, very expensive generally with poor outcomes
The healthcare system is Nurse Ratched. No sympathy, no empathy only follows its rules that it created
The Catholic church has even more characters like her👀
@Eamon jAMES could you blame them? If your media manipulated in Twisted facts with bullshit, people wouldn't be upset at one another
i know, i'm at the mercy of one right now. she gives me my hormone shot the "correct" way (there's more than one) where i CAN'T ABSORB IT.
"She ain't honest." The understatement of the century.
yet, that line holds true on so many levels.
I prefer his next comment she's some kind of c*nt!
When I was in college I had to do two clinical days a week in the state mental hospital. I found that most of the staff didn't seem to care a whit about the patients and spent all their time in the nursing station talking amongst themselves. There was no nurse Ratchet, they just ignored the patients.
Sadly, being neglected is the best mental patents can hope for. It beats the alternative of being abused.
When I was there I came across a couple of nice nurses and doctors. And a couple of Ratchets, but yeah the majority where just clockwatchers who socialized at work then moved on when their shift was over. But I guess that's just most people who have full time jobs.
Patients are drugged to sleep and wake up. Drugged as "therapy". It sucks.
I worked residential for 20 years. Every so often we would get a staff who leaned this way. Supervisors were quick to move them out of our program if the staff weren't trainable out of this way of thinking. Not all programs were this way but we did our best.
I found the scariest thing about her is how she managed to control these men, when a lot of them were self check in. They could sign themselves out of care when they wanted but she managed to make them feel like they needed to be there. Only after Cheif smothers Mack to free him after his lobotomy do they actually gain the courage to leave!!!
Brad Dourif was robbed for this performance and just about every role afterwards. It's haunting. A brilliant and underrated actor.
I agree. Also, his role in the X files, an amazing performance. Almost too good for TV.
Exorcist 3 as well
Awesome and underrated!!!
I saw the movie for the first time a few years ago. The entire time, I kept thinking I recognized him for somewhere. Then, it hit me... voice of Chucky from Child's Play!😬
He deserved an oscar for exorcist 3
She did a perfect performance.
Absolutely, and she deservedly won the best actress oscar, alongside Nicholson as best actor. It also won best film, best screenplay and best director, making it one of only 3 movies in history to have won the 'big 5' oscars. It is still my favourite movie of all time, and the closing scene never fails to bring a lump to my throat and a tear to my eyes.
True . She did it
Yup I hated her in the film so she did well
Paulson is doing amazing as a younger her 😦😵
So perfect it ruined her career. Louise Fletcher was typecast after this, it was difficult for her to get any parts where she wasn't playing a total b*tch.
Great analysis. Haven't we all known a Nurse Ratched? There are male and female versions to be found, usually in some position of power, in every family and every workplace. Nurse Ratched is one of the most terrifying villains of fiction, because such monsters exist in every real, everyday situation and environment.
You'll encounter a Nurse Ratchet in pretty much every human group dynamic. Their manipulative conduct means they will always fool some of the people, some of the time, so they sail through life achieving the prize they set out to - status and power over other human beings.
In Nazi Germany, 'Nurse Ratcheds' thrived running concentration camps where they could fully indulge their cruellest impulses against other humans. In a more civilised society, they will find themselves a niche that allows them to control others. They hide their ruthless, self-serving impulses behind a pleasant, even friendly exterior, armed with a stated respect for 'fairness' or 'the rules', they slyly play people off against each other, and are masters of the 'divide and rule' model to retain their privileged position in the group. They are the embodiment of the phrase 'The banality of evil'.
In 2022 the term 'narcissistic abuse' is thrown around so often, it's almost become meaningless. Nurse Ratchet was an early and now iconic example of such an abuser. Her narcissism and ego are off the scale, but cleverly masquerade as professionalism, even-handedness, and even benevolent concern for the well being of others.
But of course such abusers have only one priority - themselves. And serving their own desires requires them to seek power and control over others - in their most intimate relationships with partners and family members, and on a professional setting with work colleagues both superiors and subjugates.
'One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest' is a profound movie that should be shown to teenage kids at every school, as a textbook example of the destructive power of narcissistic abuse. Oh, and there's no question how Randle McMurphy's final, barbaric lobotomy happened - it was Nurse Ratched's doing, no question!
"What are you going to do about it? What are you deaf?"
"No... just thinking about all the things I'm going to do about it."
I'm 63 and have suffered from chronic depression and anxiety disorders most of my life. In the late 1980s I was in a Staten Island, NY psychiatric hospital for several months following a suicide attempt. I also was hospitalized several times for brief periods in the 2000s for episodes of severe depression. My impression: being a sadistic, bullying and emotionally abusive 'Nurse Ratched" is a precondition for employment in any psychiatric hospital, from the Chief Psychiatrist down to the nurses, social workers and the lowest patient managers or orderlies...
Yep.
My god
The system was kind of designed that way. I always felt that it was a copy of the prison system, but instead of guards and police you have nurses and doctors like a hospital. But those are just titles and uniforms, ultimately it's just a diet coke version of actual prisons.
@@JewTube001 So true! I never looked at the similarities before. Thanks!
and the worst part they can close you there forever even if you went there on you on will seeking help
Ever notice the nurse Ratched types wind up running HOA's?
They're "politeness" is paper thin
In Canada, they run our public health.
Yeah people who join the HOA I have noticed are fucking assholes who love telling other people what to do.
i think the ultimate irony about nurse Ratched is that she is more in need of treatment than most of the residents of the hospital.
True that. I was working with one. Sad thing is she is RT and celebrates no holidays 😂 but pts. Have told her she is crazy for trying to control them in group Therapy. 😅 oh well like many have written some hospitals promote ppl like this.
Nurse Ratched has got to be one of the most greatest villains in movie history.
I don’t find her evil lol just a bitch
Desi Bean mentally abusing those in your care for self gratification is evil
Sam Jovi Self gratification is pretty hard to prove 🤷🏽♀️ maybe she was just a bossy bitch who couldn’t see past her own nose
*What's truly terrifying is she's playing a part that actually existed - commonly - in mental "hospitals" all the way through the early 1980s in the USA. Ratcheds were **_everywhere,_** and did a LOT of real damage to a lot of people. While accidents of history have largely removed the old model of mental hospitals, there are still Nurse Ratcheds running around in the few long term "care" facilities the USA has kept. You tend to see a lot of her in long term child psychiatric facilities today. So-called "Residential Treatment Centers" are the last refuge for people like her. Roughly two years ago there was a huge scandal at one of the largest and "most respected" RTFs in New York State (the Hawthorne Cedar Knolls Residential Treatment Facility): it turns out the staff were literally pimping out their child patients as a huge at home sex service, and had been doing it for years. While the facility was closed shortly after this went public, it's "sister facility" about a half mile down the road, "Linden Hill" recieved the transferred kids, and business appears to have continued as usual.*
*There is only a single thing I can honestly say that is a genuine "good" about $cientology: their hatred of psychiatry.*
The greatest
Man.. Just about everyone in this movie showed some of the finest acting.
Because you used to need actual talent instead of just checking off all the diversity boxes. If they remade it she would be a trans black woman who identifies as a tree. Who even knows nowadays with all the crazy in the world.
@@dontdiscriminatehateeveryo9263 Oooh how non PC of you. There, are you done with your preaching about snowflakes now?
@@LucasSantos-ss6ou The name and profile picture screams troll
Was jack Nicholson in this
I am a nurse. I have worked with nurses both men and women that are like this. They are the exception, but the ones I have met have become long timers.
... yeah,, they don't burn out because they really don't care...
I once had a boss like her. There was an old machine that's been a headache while I was on vacation & they've been working on it for 3 weeks.
I fixed it in 4 hours & he reported to the bigger bosses that he fixed it. Somehow this machine requires that its program be refreshed every few weeks. This was at a time when everything runs on MS DOS. I got tired of the boss & I left. The machine crashed a few weeks later. They never recovered & he was fired. 🙂
This is the exact reason why I’m so irritated by Ryan Murphy’s Ratched. It portrays her as classically evil, a Cruella De’Ville type. This character doesn’t need an origin story. She’s representative of a certain type in society. All tyrannical figures in power who believe they’re doing nothing wrong, simply just using her power. She isn’t a Disney villain such as she appears in the series. It upsets me that many people will watch that series and will have never seen the original source material. It’s fine if you enjoy the series, I just greatly dislike the portrayal of the character in such a dramatic way.
I agree, I quite like the series but I am having to separate the two Nurse Ratcheds in my mind.
I did not care for the show. I was hoping it was going to be a real attempt to give her a real back story. It was not.
It's a Ryan Murphy series. He pretty much makes his shows for pea-brained kids who don't look up from their iPhones to pay attention to what they're watching. People only watch cause the actors he has, the gif-able moments, and camp.
Yeah, I couldn't even finish it.
@That's_Mr_Ass_To_You
No, she's definitely doing it just for herself, because it's easier for her. Otherwise, you'd have to dig at her intelligence because people aren't getting better, any rational person who gives a damn would then work out that you then must not be doing things right but she doesn't. It very possibly didn't start off that way, it rarely does, it could be the sheer frustration that comes with treating mental patients got to her and she lost her compassion
or she like many people at the time from the start didn't see people with mental disorders as real humans and so didn't deserve the same treatment
I had a ridiculous female manager mere moments after a coworker died from a heart attack outside tell us to get back to work until her higher up demanded we were sent home after seeing his corpse in the parking lot. It was a year ago, I was 20. I'll never forget how disturbing it all was. She didn't treat her employees right at all. Even after something as serious as death
She was probably the cause of his heart attack.
Unbelievable
You work at a hospital, you should get back to work it's the reality of the job
I love how Christopher Lloyd shares our same reaction when she gets the daylights choked out of her.
yes, he is us. he knows what's up.
👏👏👏🤣🤣🤣
Ironic! I watched this the day before the sad news of Louise Fletcher's passing. She was talented and will be missed.
Nurse Ratched scared me. She reminded of me of some of my grade school teachers.
She's a lot like my mother.
And the catholic nuns LOL
@@alonzomosley7 Yes. Mother knows best.
Janet Craft she was scary AF
@@JustMe-vs8ji Yes Just Me, she certainly was. That's why she won an Oscar.
*"The Most Dangerous Weapon Someone Can Use Against You is You Yourself"*
+Nurse Ratched Embodies that Statement Very Well
Now THAT's a quote to remember!
I always thought nurse ratchet was the one who ordered the lobotomy
She wasn't a doctor so she couldn't "order" a lobotomy, but I could see her talking a doctor into it.
According to the novel iirc, she basically was manipulating the situation, knowing this would end up happening.
@@jeffw1267 Some of us we see strangling her as the most sane thing you could do in this situation, but she’d driven Mac to a desperate situation by this point - and the strangle marks on her neck make pretty convincing evidence for the doctors making the decision. Wouldn’t this have reached courts, too?
@@MrMusicbyMartinNot in 1963-when this movie was set in. Mental patients who got "violent" were lobotomized. Although you would think that putting a suicidal patient where he could get a glass to cut himself with would cause a review of her practices.
@@A_real_Ha_So And if any of them were to say she'd manipulated Billy into unaliving himself and Mac into strangling her, nobody would ever have listened to them because they were mental patients. They were totally vulnerable to her covert sadism.
I have had so many teachers like Nurse Ratched.
Funny you should say that Greg so have I
So pumped for the Netflix series. Sarah’s gonna kill it
I hope Louise Fletcher cameos
YES DEFINITELY
I'm nervous. I feel like Ryan Murphy is going to make her too campy and theatrical. Part of Nurse Ratched's terrifying effect is how stoic she remains in her evil. The trailer seems to show her as physically violent, which doesn't fit her nature. Plus, it shows her behaving strangely around her colleagues. This doesn't fit her character either. She's a sociopath. They're con artists who learn to mimick feelings to gain trust and assimilate into the world. She'd never do this. She needs people to think she's perfectly normal so she can get away with her evil actions.
@@SomethingSomethingg it is a younger nurse Ratched on the show and not IN CHARGE . She had to be very agressive to have become such a fearfull woman to everyone including THE DOCTORS in the movie.
@@KM-cu7he But that's not what sociopaths do. They get their way by convincing people they're society's definition of perfect. Notice how when real-life monsters true nature's are exposed both news articles as well as neighbors and friends and even family often gush about what great people they are? The word "perfect" is used all the time. Scott Peterson was a "perfect husband". Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka were "the perfect couple". Chris Watts was "the perfect father". That's what sociopaths do. They're very careful who they show their true colors to and who they don't. In the movie the doctors declare what a "very fine nurse" Ratched is because she's duped them into believing this. Sociopaths are patient people, knowing that to get what they want takes genius precision. Unless she somehow had the doctor in the trailer killed she would've needed to be nice to him to con him into letting her have the authority she does.
I work in care, and this video is one that every care-giver should see. It is so well observed, and incredibly insightful. I think every carer has the potential to lose their dignity and compassion towards those in their charge. Recognising this awful potential is what helps keep us honest.
I think something that makes Nurse Ratched such an effective villain is pretty much everyone has dealt with someone like Nurse Ratched; a teacher who ruled the classroom with an iron fist and dished out arbitrary punishments to students he/she didn't like while keeping a facade of kindness in front of authority figures. A boss who used fear to control their employees, abusing corporate/bureaucratic rules to deny their employees benefits, and using passive aggression to mock you. Hell, even a parent who uses semantics to deny rewards, mocking their children for their lack of power, inflicting emotional abuse and control when they don't get their way, etc.
I dealt with my own personal Nurse Ratched in the form of a pharmacist at CVS. My father is disabled and I'm his caretaker so I deal with his doctor, medical needs, and medication. He'd been going to the same pharmacy for years with no troubles but then they got a new 'PIC' (pharmacist in charge). This woman was an absolute nightmare to deal with, routinely denying my father his medication, accusing him of abusing drugs, threatening to cut him off, and always claiming to just be "following the law" or "corporate policy". I decided to call her one day and figure out what her problem was and she was extremely rude, condescending, and on a total power trip. The other pharmacists (save for one that was like her henchwoman) despised her too and would often tell me to go to another pharmacy because she was abusing her power (one pharmacist even quit because of her). After the 4th time (in just 5 months) of claiming she was out of my father's medication (and clearly enjoying denying my father his meds), I demanded the prescription back and completely ripped her a new one before I left (god did it feel good to finally lay into her).
Her abusive actions really began to affect my father physically and leave him in pain and unable to function; it took everything in my power to not punch her in the face for doing this to him. When I went to a new pharmacy, the pharmacists there were so much more kind and helpful and were shocked when they heard the way my father's old pharmacist acted. Now, my father is doing better than ever because one of the new pharmacists recommended a new medication for him and it's worked for him splendidly. I digress though, my overall point is that there's so many Nurse Ratcheds in the world and odds are we're going to deal with at least one in our lives, if not a couple of them. That's what makes her such an effective villain and makes her get under our skin, her brand of evil is personal.
I know exactly what you mean. I had to deal with the same issues with Pharmacists at Walgreens and CVS, who treated my mother this way. She had her kneecaps replaced and the pharmacist flat out refused to fill her pain medication because she said my mother, “didn’t need it.” I’ve had to watch her go through hell dealing with pharmacists that treat her like a drug addict and make the patients jump through hoops to get their medication filled and make up lies for why they can’t fill it. Luckily she found an awesome pharmacy that doesn’t patronize her. These pharmacists need to be held accountable for the way they treat patients.
@@jonathanl9229 I'm so sorry you had to go through that experience as well, it's so frustrating and heartbreaking to watch a loved one suffer because some dickbag pharmacist is on a power trip. I firmly believe a lot of pharmacists have an inferiority complex because they're not doctors so they try to play doctor/god with people's medications, especially when they're pain medication, or adderall or some other schedule II medication. Luckily, I reported the PIC at CVS for gross negligence and malfeasance. All the other pharmacists there hated her because my dad had been going there for years and knew him, knew he never misused his medication, never tried to get it early, etc. All he wanted was to be given the correct amount and be given to him on time (which I think is a reasonable request). I went back there not too long ago and saw that the PIC was a new person so hopefully she was fired. The new pharmacists we have are fantastic; the PIC is a very nice young man who gives my dad tips on how to get his meds cheaper and the assistant PIC is a lovely young woman who recommended him a new kind of medication which has vastly improved his condition. Luckily, some pharmacists actually care about their customers.
I'm so happy to hear your mother is doing much better now. Best to the both of you :)
You need to talk to the doctor. The pharmacist job is to dispense, but it's the doctor who decides what medication and how much.
AJ who did you report the PIC to?
@@johnking5433 California State Board of Pharmacy
I think the characters name "Ratchet" is interesting. In part, the definition of ratchet is "to allow effective motion in one direction only". The story really is about how Nurse Ratchet slowly but surely pushes the patients to display poor mental health. When they start to feel better, or a character comes along that isn't sick to begin with, she will push them so that they end up being sick. She is so invested in being a nurse to people who are unwell, she will do everything in her power to make sure they ARE unwell.
Hey quick note her name is “Ratched”. I thought it was Ratchet too until I read the book
It’s scary how individuals who often hunger for positions of power were the ones who never had it in their lives. It’s a dangerous thing to be under someone’s authority when that authority is what makes their identity.
I worked for a lady for 5 years like her.. I took a job that pays less just to get out of that place.. made me clench my fists watching this video
one of her dominant character flaws not mentioned was her pleasure at emasculating all the men around her.
You can definitely see elements of the battle of the sexes in her clash with Mac Murphy, who embodies lots of good and bad aspects of masculinity like courage and violence.
Of course it's a character flaw in your head.
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@@ΣκοτώνωΧαρά As well as in any sane person's head. What are you on about?
@@ΣκοτώνωΧαρά she is your hero? You crazy woman
She was born to play that role she’s actually a happy go lucky gal in real life
The scene when nurse Ratched telling Billy she's going to tell his mother and the scenes that follow with Billy, I can't watch. It's too overwhelming for me. Seems to make my blood boil.
I don’t blame him for the suicide, there was too much pressure and he had his hand on the doorknob of death at the beginning
That scene is so gut wrenching. It's watching a spirit break in real-time. The actors played it to perfection.
Y'all are weak.
@@brandondavis7777 Nurse Ratched? Dat u?
I was in a psych ward once. I had a real nurse ratchet. Scarily accurate portrayal here of the way these nurses actually are.
My introduction to the mental health system was working on a locked ward at Dejarnette Center, now abandoned and on you tube as " the most evil and haunted place in Virginia".
I lasted 4 years before I couldn't do it anymore.
Vividly crazy times.
I had a principal in high school just like her who treated me like a 6 year old. We didn't get along because I was rebellious and a troublemaker but the thing about her is that she played the psychological game and just made you look crazy if you ranted because there was nothing specific you could bring up about her.
I know exactly what you mean by your last words. Confronted by questions why I had problems with a certain
person in my souroundings, impossible to put my finger on anything specifically wrong with her. That is their "Art"
to fool everyone else. As a child it is impossible to get away from this toxic environment.
I often wonder about some of our politicians, which kind of Ratched they met in their lifes.