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Ancient Greece, a civilization that flourished from around 800 BCE to 146 BCE, left an indelible mark on Western culture. This Mediterranean society was not a unified nation but rather a collection of independent city-states, known as poleis, each with its own government and customs. Athens and Sparta were two of the most prominent and influential of these city-states.
The Greeks made significant contributions to philosophy, literature, art, and science. Thinkers like Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle laid the foundations for Western philosophy and scientific thought. Greek mythology, with its pantheon of gods and heroes, has inspired literature and art for millennia.
Democracy, as we understand it today, has its roots in ancient Athens. The Athenian system allowed male citizens to participate directly in political decisions, though it's important to note that women, slaves, and foreigners were excluded from this process.
Greek architecture, characterized by its elegant columns and harmonious proportions, continues to influence building design to this day. The Parthenon in Athens stands as an enduring symbol of classical Greek architecture.
In the realm of literature, Homer's epic poems, the Iliad and the Odyssey, are considered foundational works of Western literature. Greek theater, with its tragedies and comedies, explored complex human emotions and societal issues.
The ancient Greeks also made significant advancements in mathematics and science. Pythagoras, Euclid, and Archimedes made groundbreaking discoveries in geometry and physics that are still studied today.
The legacy of ancient Greece extends far beyond its historical period. Its ideas, art, and innovations have shaped Western civilization and continue to influence our world in countless ways.
Ancient Athens was a pivotal city-state in ancient Greece, renowned for its cultural, intellectual, and political achievements. Located in the region of Attica, it rose to prominence during the Classical period (5th-4th centuries BCE).
Athens is often credited as the birthplace of democracy. Under the leadership of Solon and later Cleisthenes, the city developed a system of government where male citizens could participate directly in political decisions. This form of direct democracy, while limited by modern standards, was revolutionary for its time.
The city experienced its Golden Age under the statesman Pericles in the 5th century BCE. During this period, Athens saw remarkable advancements in philosophy, arts, and sciences. The Acropolis, crowned by the magnificent Parthenon, was constructed during this time and remains an enduring symbol of classical Greek architecture.
Athens was a center of learning and intellectual discourse. The city gave rise to some of the most influential philosophers in Western thought, including Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle. These thinkers established schools and academies that attracted students from across the Greek world.
The city was also the heart of Greek drama. The Theatre of Dionysus, located on the southern slope of the Acropolis, hosted festivals where the works of great playwrights like Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides were performed.
Athenian society was stratified, with citizenship rights reserved for adult males born to Athenian parents. Women, slaves, and foreigners (metics) had limited rights and roles in society, though they played crucial parts in the city's economy and daily life.
Athens was a naval power, with its port at Piraeus serving as a hub for trade and its powerful fleet dominating the Aegean. This naval strength was key to Athens' leadership of the Delian League, an alliance of Greek city-states formed to defend against Persian aggression.
The city's power and influence led to rivalry with other Greek city-states, particularly Sparta. This tension culminated in the Peloponnesian War (431-404 BCE), a conflict that ultimately led to Athens' defeat and marked the decline of its golden age.
Despite its eventual loss of political dominance, Athens continued to be a significant cultural and educational center well into the Roman period. Its legacy in philosophy, democracy, art, and literature has had a lasting impact on Western civilization. CopyRetryClaude can make mistakes. Please double-check responses.
LGBTQ is an acronym that stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Queer/Questioning. It's an umbrella term used to represent a diverse range of sexualities.
#metatron #ancientgreece #lgbtq
The Ancients were "very liberal" about sex, in that a rich and powerful man could use the weak. Sounds like a certain infamous private island we've heard about.
or Diddy. not much has changed really.
Exactly like diddy too!
Exactly!
When people hear about the sexual degeneracy of ancient societies, they seem to ignore that it was pretty much isolated to the decadent elites of certain eras, much like we see in any fallen empire.
No! Fake news, boo!
#Pizzagate never happened!
@@MsSwthrt102 "What would a man require over 100 amphores of olive oil for?"
You'll never convince me that Weird History isn't an AI generated channel.
The fact so many actual humans are so close to A.I. is a shocking problem. I know for this a fact. But it's also true that some channels and so forth use A.I. to generate material.
One reason for such profound overlap in general with the Left and modern systems (e.g. education) is that the same people are controlling said A.I., and the same beliefs and ideas are shared.
In short: something like ChatGPT is a leftist tool, filtered with leftist language and sub-sets of data, coded by leftists, and pushed by leftists in line with leftist UN guidelines. If A.I. voted, it would vote far-Left every single time; in fact, it would not be allowed to vote Right-wing. Think about that.
Agreed
I’m pretty sure it is. There are subtle but odd tonal shifts and at one point the voice pronounced “Hermes” in two different ways one after the other. AI tends to do that.
@@sassyghost_8glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed that. I recognize the voice as a voice actor for a sci-fi series too - vorkosigen saga
Based off of Stephen Colbert's voice, no less.
I am sick and tired of these clowns trying to re write history. It's disgusting.
I'll keep standing against the nonsense not matter the backlash.
They already erased more than half of all white peoples ancient history
They're not changing history here. They didn't say anything in that video I didn't learn in 80's high-school & 90's college. This is long before the queer theorist capture of institutions
@@hughcipher66 The queer theorist capture of the institutions happened during the 60s.
@ΦιλήσυχοςΠολίτης Well queer theory didn't exist in the 60's. Its Marxist Leftist Liberal idealogical templates did though. Queer theory was developed in the 90's. 30 plus years later, it & its leftist liberal uncle & auntie have infected the almost all institutions controlled by the Liberal orthodoxy
The fact that Plato is used as a poster boy for ancient greek homosexuality is indicative of utter ignorance of his work and moral philosophy. First of all for about 2200 years people understood what "platonic" love was, but somehow in the 20th century some scholars "discovered" that it was sexual. Well, it wasn't. Plato in multiple works, Symposium included, when he mentions the ideal love, he clearly states that it is the love of the soul and not the body. He clearly treats pederasty as an educational custom (which it was), he even mentions in Laws how it deformed at some point in time in certain cities and then proceeds to condemn sexual acts between men, which he calls "products of loss of self control" and "against nature", and says that any such acts should be outlawed. In Phaedrus, when he mentions possible sexual pleasure in the context of pederasty, he calls it again "against nature", "utterly shameful" and "utterly disgraceful". The whole point of his moral philosophy is for the soul to be liberated from the body and reach the Divine and the Good. To accomplish this, all pleasures should be under strict self control and especially sexual pleasures should be kept at the minimum, mainly for procreation. He literally compares pleasures to nails that nail the soul all the more on the body. The body which he famously describes as a prison of the soul or the grave of the soul. It makes zero logical sense for him to support homosexual sexual acts, it would completely contradict his moral philosophy. If he would say that pederasty was the purest form of love would be exactly because it was not sexual but purely educational. But the purest form of Love for him would be abstract and idealised towards the idea of Good and Beauty totally transcending physical world. I mean, do you think that the medieval, orthodox Christian monks whose greek language was much closer to Plato's, who copied Plato's works and they drew him as a saint in churches and monasteries would do that for someone who was promoting sodomizing children? Countless are the evidence and the arguments, while the only thing modern "scholars" have is continuously misinterpreting pederasty as sexual when even they themselves accept that it wasn't always sexual and that it clearly originated as an educational custom. Nonetheless, they automatically interpret any mention of it as sexual without any further evidence, which makes no logical sense whatsoever.
But why was it educational to begin with? Just teach them how to be men,combat war,honor, and love for their wife and kids,other than that,that "educational" is just an excuse to being a fruit
Plato would not say that pederasty is the purest form of love because both parties are not climbing the ladder. It's simply not the best.
Yeah, they thought homosexuality was "weird" and basically a defect, which is pretty spot on with what we know so far scientifically. Men who happened to be "gay" as in romantically, emotionally, and physically attracted to another man, did not behave how we largely think of today.
If things got intimate, most especially if these guys were warriors etc, they did not bone each other. That sexual act was not seen as something to be done to someone you loved, honored, and respected. It was something done to defeated enemies, for humiliation purposes, slaves, and prostitutes ect. The "ideal male" was seen as "One without holes" and was not to be penetrated.
If you loved, honored, and respected the man you claimed to loved, you did not put him in that role, nor did you put yourself in that role basically taking on the role of a woman, submitting and being penetrated, as it was seen as "robbing one of their masculinity" or "giving up one's own." Men also did not marry each other, again this would be seen as trying to emulate the male/female dynamic.
There are gay men today who actually still follow the old world way. They reject promiscuity, as loyalty is major massive in such relationship. They reject femininity in males, and backdoor sex... Needless to say, they are ridiculed by mainstream gay culture, which they stay far away from anyway. If things got intimate, they did something else, which was seen as "equal", kept their masculinity intact, and made the bond between them stronger.
It's been fifty-five years since I last read _The Symposium,_ but IIRC didn't Socrates say (by relating a story by Diotima) that the highest love is the love of absolute beauty, that is contemplation of the form (in the Platonic sense) of beauty?
@@voxsvoxs4261 You're saying the purest relationship is sex between a teenage boy and a grown man? If I'm not mistaken, pederasty is essentially pedophilia but with someone just slightly older. Not sure how that love could be more 'pure' than a mother for her child, a father for a daughter, husband and wife, etc. People weren't designed to be picked off and consumed by someone far older than them. That's creating a power differential that isn't natural.
3:25 " *I swear its like these channels are doing it on purpose to misinform* "
That is a very safe assumption, considering they always get it wrong to the benefit of the same modern ideological/political side. Not a coincidence
Oy vey, pure cohenincidence, fellow white persons.
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Or maybe they are just stupid lol
Where does Metatron get his sources? I don't think I've seen them listed on the videos.
Being wrong is also a great way to farm the algorithm. Being controversial gets attention. Have you heard about how hard it is to get 'boring' scientific papers published? Meanwhile you can get published very quickly if you make something inflammatory.
@@soulknife20Same place these people do, they just do very "liberal" interpretations.
I am reminded of when they said there were trans vikings because they found a woman buried in the warrior tradition that was typically only given to men.
Or how they use some native American tribes third gender roles as confirmation that they believed in more than one gender.
These are conclusions you can draw, but they're bizarre and far from accurate or honest.
There's even people who call themselves "queer historians", and their job is to identify anything that can be warped into an interpretation of past people and events as either gay or otherwise pro-modern gender ideology "facts".
A lot of modern ideas have existed since time immemorial because they speak to a key part of human nature, good or bad. They want to attach gender and lgbt ideology to that idea in order to validate their view, since if it doesn't exist in history, modernity in this regard can be argued to be delusional.
When I visited Greece with my (Greek) fiancé I remember him telling me: "We've had underground plumbing since about 2000 BC, but that was also the last time we performed maintenance on most of it, so please don't flush any toilet paper."
Lol, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
ΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑ! ΣΩΣΤΟΣ!!!!
Sounds like they could use an upgrade 😂😂
Your fiancé knows what he’s talking about. Especially if you visit cafes/restaurants in Athens’ city centre there are signs in WCs warning you against flushing toilet paper which tourists find absurd 😅. Well that’s the way of living I suppose.
you cannot flush toilet paper in Greece, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Turkey and Ukraine, Egypt, China, and rural South America
"Who controls the past controls the future" - George Orwell
"everyone was woke, trust me bro" - leftists
"I have sheldom heard of a hobbit sleeping outdoors" - J. R. Toilken
@@Blox117ironically yes ... The old genrations call the younger genrations woke since the Mesopotamia times
“Who controls the present now controls the past”
@@Blox117I think the big question is... who are they trying to convince? Like we know since Christianity took hold, they were not 'woke', but things come from history, which would indicate that previous to 2000 years ago, that people in general were also not 'woke'. For the longest time, we did not have the comfort of choosing to create an heir or not. Whether people liked / enjoyed it or not, straight sex had to happen for the species / lineage could continue.
There seems to be a conflict here. The guy says homosexual relationships were not only accepted but encouraged, but then says that the passive partner was ridiculed. Those seem inconsistent.
Exactly
strawman, he said boy and man homos are ok but normal homo bottoms are feminine
He also said later there were laws against it and you could lose power in case they caught you. They guy contradicted himself so much that basically gave Metatron and whoever wanted to oppose his arguments free ammunition. You gotta push the agenda somehow though.
@@Stratigoz Further evidence it's an AI-generated channel lol. AI self-contradicts itself all the freaking time, since it doesn't "think" and just guesses what word it thinks comes next.
@@throatwobblermangrove8510 It is inconsistent, but that's typical of 'taboo subjects.' There is acknowledgment of the practice on some level, but everyone feels awkward about it and it frequently gets 'frowned upon' or 'questioned.' This leads to a schizm between people's public attitudes about the subject, and their actual behavior.
If the Ancient Greeks didn't care about sexual purity, why did they place so much importance on Virgin Sacrifice in mythology?
Maybe they thought their gods did.
I mean that's about gods, not random dudes.
@@guillaume4519 First, that's not a reasonable argument.
Second, why would they think their gods did?
@@MCharlesPaintinghow so is speculation any less reasonable than your argument?
@@MCharlesPaintingand than you ask them again to speculate on their previous speculation that you said was an unreasonable argument.
Seems to be a very toxic way of looking at things and treating people with whom you disagree.
@@guillaume4519 HA. You haven't heard a lot about what Zeus likes to do in his free time if you think the gods of Olympus are pure. The ones that were are in the minority.
If anything, the Greek gods would probably prefer everyone to sacrifice virgins so they had more "Pure" women to corrupt and enjoy for themselves...unless Zeus is bored that day. He might stop by as a horse or a boar and beat them to it.
I may be gay, but I prefer Metatron's reading. The truth matters.
I understand that people want to read into the past and to make everyone gay for the same reason they want that cute co-worker to be gay; when everyone is gay it makes them feel less lonely. It's all cope, and sometimes also seethe.
The truth is important because it would let people focus more on _real_ history with _actual_ supporting documentation, which is important because discovering that one thing is a lie or an exaggeration undermines everything else. Also, being honest about the past is a sober reminder that - at least for most things - current year is almost always best year. If the past looks rosy and perfect, it undermines how far we've come.
I am bi, i mostly agree. The current year isn't best, as we have regressed a lot, thanks 2 the ppl pretending 2 side with us, but in reality only see us as tools 2 be used like shields and propaganda mouthpieces.
It was not a gay paradise but Metatron is downplaying how common it was. Alexander the great slept with many man openly. That shows how much people cared about it in the past.
@@paulodelima5705Alexander the Great was an emperor. The upper echelons of society have always been able to get away with behaviors that were taboo for the lower classes.
Bro im just like you
@@ibelieveinscience1141 it was slander against him, he never did such things
Ironically, just today I used your video on Emperor Hadrian to correct some nonsense about him in a gay facebook channel. That one was so dishonest they claimed his lover was a man and they showed two men of roughly the same age even though they clearly were not.
Glad to be helpful and thanks for spreading the truth brother.
@@metatronyt no problem. As you can guess I saw this problem several times and the same channel even falsely claimed that Zeus loved Ganymed and that Ganymed was a man. I tell you I am just waiting for them to praise something from imperial China, because that is my turf and oh boy did even scholars and youtuber misinform people there.
@@inotaishu1yeah antoninos was best friend and a wohman of course ...gaynimede was a boy even metateon comfim the source ...
@@inotaishu1 Ganymede was a man
@@dziosdzynes7663 no. he certainly was not.
THANK YOU! As Greek I am very tired of these nonsense!
These bullshit has to stop!
Since we're talking about Greece recently saw a video with one of those woke activists trying to save the world by tearing down Greek flags at a Greek restaurant while yelling about genocide thinking that they were Israeli supporters And she had the moral high ground and was in the right
Leftism is a brain cancer.
I saw that too...
I think Met needs to see that one...
The woke mind virus bro.
Can you share the name of the video?
@@Durzo1259 ua-cam.com/video/lKgBTK6it74/v-deo.htmlsi=gp-ZLNDhFYAujkU6
When he mentioned the Greeks using the statues of Hermes at crossroads and signposts the only thing I could think was "Please tell me they didn't use the naughty bits as the directional arrow."
They did.
'This way to Sparta!' 🍆
I need an answer now! 😂
In Rome phalluses were carved or painted onto the corner stones of buildings to point the way towards brothels.
All this garbage about gays in ancient Greece was popularized by Kenneth Dover who was a British historian and wrote the book Greek Homosexuality in 1978 trying to push a gay agenda. Just like Metatron said, he cherry picked a tiny amount of pro gay verses and ignored the other 99% of ancient sources. This was an obvious attempt to link gay with ancient Greece to make it more main stream and acceptable. Unfortunately now we have this ridiculous stigma attached to Greece and its irritating.
It's really funny, cuz out of the thousands he cited, only like a handful are explicitly homosexual and almost all are non consensual with Satyrs.
Not all places were the same. Pederasty was common in Greece for a long time in all city states. This is not a cherry picked evidence. They didn't care as long as they fulfilled their obligations.
Some of the images s he cited as homoerotic were in fact men with female prostitutes, who because they weren't citizen wives, had short haircuts.
@@paulodelima5705 Pederasty was not explicitly about sex, nor was it even supposed to be about it. It was a practice among MANY ancient cultures for a father to send his teenage sons to live with another man and have that man teach them about becoming an adult male in their society. The Romans even said that the reason for the custom was that a man not their father would be a stricter teacher and punish the student for mistakes more than a father who may be apt to overlook or excuse some of his son's shortcomings because of his love for his child. The practice during the Middle Ages of sending a son off to become a squire for a knight, or even to apprentice for a trade even though the father did the same thing, was for the same reason. The 'love' that was encouraged between the teacher and pupil was supposed to reflect that of a father for a son and had nothing to do with sex. The practice also had the goal of bringing two different families closer together for economic and political reasons and that relationship would last well after the son became a man and started a family of his own. So yes when he pointed to the few occasions where the teacher took advantage of the pupil to say it was the normal custom IS cherry picking. Also as was discussed in the video when the ancient sources mention sex in relation with pederasty they almost always condemn it.
@Seischthon It's even worse bro, there's one picture he called homo erotic because two dudes had their swords touching and he claimed it was all innuendo 💀😂
Raf, I don't think im alone when I say I am really enjoying your new upload schedule. The somewhat informal style is very becoming and I look forward to watching or at least listening every afternoon.
As one of your more liberal viewers. And a history major, And also a bisexual. I'm with you on this one. Because it gets wild over here on the left.
I don't think Americans have a good grasp of just how long ancient civilizations lasted.
For instance, we could find evidence of gay sex being the norm for an entire 250 year span. (As long as the US has existed) And we still have another 1000 years of Ancient Greece to cover, wherein it might not have been.
Thank you! It shows you are a very open minded and fair person for sure. 👍🏻 very much appreciated.
🤮🤮 bisexual.You fruit 🍓
Conservative-adjacent bisexual here, couldn’t agree more. This feels parallel to how men hyper-masculize Ancient Rome to be like Warhammer 40k so that they can fantasize about “the good old days” and superimpose their modern concepts of “coolness” onto ancient concepts of “masculinity” so they can claim they’re “going back to their ancient masculine roots” and then larp as whatever modern fictional character they are trying to mentally cosplay as and rationalize by retconning history to service their biased or outright flawed interpretation.
Kind of like how certain demographics claim they were the real kings and creators of Egypt’s wonders and libraries to make it seem like their identity is “deeply intertwined historically with intellectualism and expectation defying progress” and not ‘I have a big ego, so I’m going to cherry pick historical texts until I have confirmation biased myself into thinking everyone who looks or identities me is equally intellectual as a result of some deeper genetic reason” I mean it’s the mindset that started WW2, retroactively assigning idealized traits onto specific identities while delusionally emphasizing some form of “Decline in culture due to the influence of X y and z groups”.
This feels like a “Did you know societies were 100% accepting of queer people until Christian ideologies were forced upon the fool tolerant Greeks?”. As a bisexual who is also firmly Christian, this sort of rhetoric tires me and is all too often propagated by people who claim Greece was more tolerant than it was.
@TheFakeGooberGoblin you just described the movie three hundred with your rome example
@@TheFakeGooberGoblinadjacent?? You are 100% fruity. Just a batti boi in denial there is no such thing as a bi-man. You either straight or you a bat-mon/chi chi mon.
The stupidity of YT censorship is unbelievable. It's really interesting to watch history videos about things like the rise of Naz1sm (see that) and have to talk about the "failed Austrian painter."
You should have called your video "Passionate hugging in Ancient Greece?"
not failed painter, call him mustache man
@@Blox117 or based anti-ZOG politician
“bad mustache man” and his yahtzee party
@@Blox117 or based anti ZOG politician
@@Blox117 Funny Mustache man is a classic but I personally prefer "Mr. Schmitler" when referring to the flatulent Austrian vagabond.
I wouldn’t expect the Greeks to have a word for homosexuality if they expected people to have heterosexual marriages and make babies. The idea that someone wouldn’t be married and have kids would seem foreign
We did have a word, "kinaidos" In fourth-century BCE Athens, the orator Demosthenes is labelled a kinaidos in the courtroom by his opponent in order to besmirch his masculinity and accuse him of shameless conduct. In the Gorgias, Plato cites the “life of the kinadoi” as being the prime example of hedonistic living. Roman authors are more detailed as to what exactly makes the cinaedus’ behaviour so wretched: Catullus, Martial, and Juvenal all portray cinaedi as desiring sexual penetration by other men and often as displaying extreme effeminacy.
The word “cinaedus” also occurs frequently in insulting graffiti on the walls of Pompeii. Appearing more than 30 times, it is often accompanied by the name of the specific individual it mocks. On occasion a little more information is provided. For instance, a graffito uncovered recently reads: NICIA CINAEDE CACATOR. Nicia, or Nicias, is a personal name, that it is Greek suggests it may have belonged to an enslaved person who had subsequently been manumitted. A cacator is a person who defecates. Therefore, this slur, “Nicias, a cinaedus and a crapper,” bluntly attacks an individual as being filthy in his social, sexual, and digestive behaviour.
You could get executed in most Greek states if you were gay, 100% executed if you fd a minor boy.
@@echetlos Based.
Family?! So you support the continuation of oppressive heteronormative patriarchal power structures in society?! Our women need to all be in the workforce and they all need to be strong independent girlbosses who don't need no man. Who cares about collapsing birth rates and social atomization and rates of depression and mental illness, women need to be strong and independent!!!
@@echetlos Yeah, people seem to forget that Greece wasn't a unified country at the time. Every city-state had their own laws and culture, and their own ideas of morality. An Athenian and a Spartan would likely have found some point of disagreement on almost every aspect of life, despite both being Greeks
@@echetlos Hedonism, wretched behavior, extreme effiminacy, hmm, I wonder if this is relevant to modern society...
Thanks! Sorry they demonetize you. Love your clarity 🙏🏽
I could see historians of the future reporting that homosexuality in the 1980s was "totally normal, accepted and even encouraged". They would use gay bars and public drag shows as proof that society at large embraced it, while in reality it was and still is split.
Just pushing their agenda, as always
and then cherry pick every gay piece of literature and movie. Human culture and society is an almost infinitly complex living evolving organism with many facets that move and change like the weather. even in just 1 individuals line of thinking, how they feel and perceive stuff radically changes throughout their life let alone 10s of millions of peoples
It really isnt still split atleast mot in america
@@francisconeto140 You do realize conservative Christians aren't a tiny minority, right? 😂
Why are you split about what two consenting adults do in their lives? Hold hands or have sex in the bedroom? Don’t let the gender letter folks get you to hate us, I don’t see myself a part of that bs.
Thank you Metatron... As a Greek I am so greatful to you!
You can count on me Mediterranean brother
Same, I hate it when people say that Ancient Greece had a lot of this shit.
We didn’t have a word for poustia back then, I hate that they have to use our history for propaganda.
Oh, then in that case you would be indebted to
Club
For absolutely destroying the arsenokoitas lye!!!
How can someone say "same sex relations were encouraged" and then turn around immediately and say "though it was stigmatized to be the passive parter". So which is it? Was is acceptable to have gay sex or was it stigmatized?
I ain't a expert, but to paraphrase a book I read (Which annoyingly I can't find right now to cite it, my apologies) in Pederasty the younger individual was suppose to be pleasuring the older teacher for the teacher's amusement, and the younger individual wasn't suppose to be taking any joy in doing so, instead having the perspective of an obligation. Likewise to actually allow one self to be "Pierced" was seen as extremely degrading, thus also someone taking pleasure in such would've been seen as extremely perverse.
I hope I worded it vaguely enough that this passes the scrutiny of the algorithmic overlord.
@@bewawolf19 That makes sense. Also, idk where I remember this from, or if it's even correct, didn't a lot of Greeks consider it barbaric and chaotic to give in to lust for lust's sake?
@@bewawolf19 Also, using pedophilia to promote homosexuality isn't really a great argument. I hope people realize that😂
@@hrafnagu9243 I would guess so, but that is pure conjecture from ignorance on my part. I only read a bit about the history of Athens specifically which only loosely covered wider Greek beliefs.
uhh thats quite logical -- like in rome whats bad is being the passive partner... its a power thing
This reminds me of all that politically charged interpretation of the Spartans and how older mentors would habitually do the dirty deed with their proteges, which makes little sense.
First of all, Spartan citizens were members of the only respectable families.
Spartans also took a dim view of men who adopted a passive role in the bedsheets.
Therefore it makes no sense to assume that Spartans had a norm of sodomizing young, male members of respectable families since it's basically the same as emasculating them in front of everyone before they had even reached adulthood.
In reality there's hardly any historical sources to corroborate this intepretation of the relationships between mentors and proteges in ancient sparta.
It's basically just a case of that old leftwing trope of reading a bunch of homoeroticisim into strong male friendships amd camraderie (like how people claim that Frodo had a romantic relationship Sam in LotR, even though Tolkien was a devout catholic)
The trope does exist for a reason. We know from the example of a similar dynamic with samurai how a mentor-student relationship can be used as an excuse. The dynamics of seniority, hazing etc can create all sorts of weird exceptions. A student is excepted to be in a submissive social role relative to their teacher anyway, so it's not necessarily as big of a jump as you might think. In a society with important adulthood initiation rights, it might not be possible to be emasculated before adulthood anyway, because that can only happen to a man, not a boy.
@@user-df4kf6fg7h It's just hyperbole and lefty politics with the samurai as well.
Little basis in history.
Zero historical records.
@@sevenproxies4255 I purposefully used the Japanese example exactly because it has a *much* stronger historical basis than the Greek one. At some point rejecting more and more examples of something just becomes as politically biased as going out of your way to try to find them.
Actual history follows no modern agenda, and that includes reflexive opposition to leftist politics, as much as that leftist politics itself.
@@user-df4kf6fg7h excuse me mr sodomybot#3400789 but hazing does not equate to raping people, raping is a crime and is bad.
Knights in europe did the same thing with their schield and sword stable bois, in japan they did the same thing, Nobunaga for example was gae and prob went mad because he was riddled with diseases. Also Aztec did a lot of dicc in tha booty stuff before the spaniards arrived and abolished that.
hey Metatron I am very glad that there are still people like you on YT. I've already started to think that the world has gone mad... or, that I myself have gone mad :D Anyway, keep at the good work and stay strong!
Sick of the gay washing of our history.
As of straight washing
You are Greek? Very cool,I am Egyptian and live in Alexandria,built and named after the greatest Greek conqueror in history.
@@NapoleonBonapartethegreat imothep
Alexander was the greatest conqueror in history. Much of the Mongol Empire was conquered by Ghengis Khan's generals. Alexander conquered his whole empire by himself.
Make being normal trendy again.
Shakespeare had a fair bit of raunchy themes and jokes in a very christian England too.
We may consider stage plays to be a form of "high class culture" today, but in Shakespeare's time and before it, stage plays were like the television shows of their time.
Quality and seriousness in themes varied greatly.
Some plays were basically indistinguishable from sitcoms of today.
Shakespeare was the equivalent of a soap opera writer. The same sort of popular entertainment
His plays obviously mean trans people were everywhere as well [Portia in The Merchant of Venice being the one we studied at school but I know there are several others I haven't studied but have merely read instead - written into prose rather than as a play]. Rosalind in As You Like It and Viola in 12th Night but it also occurs in Cymbeline, Two Gentlemen of Verona, Taming of the Shrew and The Merry Wives of Windsor. Guess that being trans was perfectly fine, normal and obviously common in Tudor times,, to use their version of logic.
Man if works from Shakespeare were the soap operas of their day then how far our civilization has fallen!!
you know he ain't never wrote any of those plays. boy couldn't even read. Bacon secretly masterminded all of it
@@FreeState.21STNo. It's unlikely that Shakespeare didn't write any of his plays.
Ancient Greeks would blush at what people do in 2024.
They'd probably rush to the vomit-orium!
(Joking, of course)
Jokes aside, yeah it would be considered unacceptable behavior, the things modern people get away with.
@@willyb7353emetorion would be the word
@@willyb7353I’m not lol they would most definitely
Just have to add. The love Christians are required to feel for each other is agape not eros.
Agape BUSSY eeeyoooooo!!!!!!
0:14 This guy has never read Plato's Symposium.
Plato speaks about the eros of the souls and NOT about having sex between the same gender, and even more with kids.
What a BS.
Eros is just the sexual desire. It is just passion.
@@paulodelima5705 Not a chance.
Eros is the *deep love* about *anything* .
Where did you learn Greek?
I am Greek and this word was never about sex.
@@hariszark7396 was plato the one that talk about Plantonic love? ergo you can desire something but not actually follow through. I am not familiar with all his writing so in that i may need to be educated.
@@paulodelima5705 As per the words of my ancient Greek specialist who peer reviewed my work, eros is for every instance of romantic love, not just sex.
@@Marveryn In Plato's symposium, the main talking is about the *spiritual love* , hence Eros.
They make a clear distinction between the "love (sex) of the bodies" and the "love of the spirit or soul" that has nothing to do with sex and genders.
The term "Platonic love" comes from this distinction.
It means that there is a love that has nothing to do with sex.
Like the love between friends or family members or loving an art, games, music, or anything a person can love.
I hope I am making it clear for you.
I stand with metatron ,you always do excellent work 😊
First Megatron and now Meratron😂
@goldenapple1754 my spell check messed me up
Your integrity, thoroughness, consistency, and adherence to historical truth is an oasis in a tribalized internet wasteland.
Thanks!
Metatron always keeps it real.
They didn’t have power bottoms in Ancient Greece.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’m afraid to google this.
power bottoms are as old as Humanity.
@@Jeton6 Shut up you hedonist.
Still isn't a thing, really.....
4:45 whenever they say "conservative", you know what's going on is an undercurrent of "conservative bad"
Imagine if they had been perfectly honest and said, “Like in other ancient cultures, homosexuality wasn’t an identity, but just a particular sexual fetish that some people did, and approved of, and some didn’t.”
Weird History often gets things wrong
That's weird. 🤔
Just like ancient aliens....😂😂😂😂
thank you metatron for putting so much work into your videos. i feel like you are the only youtuber i can trust when it comes to sources! your videos are very helpful in my journey of becoming a historian!!
This isn't the flex that the rainbow mafia thinks it is, most of the time people were "gay" in antiquity it was really just about power, let's just say it wasn't always 2 consenting adults.
Rainbow mafia is craaaaaaaaazy lol
I would speculate this is why sodomy was outlawed bistorically. Because it was usually not consensual. It's actually quite practical that they made the law, considering that.
@@FireflowerDancerdepends on the culture for example biblically the act itself is just wrong
@@orpheemulemo8053 Not to be graphic, but for the sake of discussion, are you suggesting that anal penetration is specifically banned according to scripture?
@@FireflowerDancer It could be but it's not specific
There are verses that talk about the purpose of sex having anal kinda destroys the purpose of sex it's not supposed to be mainly for pleasure it's for reproduction with pleasure as a bonus
What we know for sure is that same sex relations are not something God supports
Επιτέλους καποιος που έχει όντως διαβάσει το "Συμπόσιο" του Πλάτωνα!😊
"I swear these channels are doing this on purpose to misinform" Sort of.
They are intentionally misinforming, being obviously wrong, or being very dumb in order to go viral.
The YT algorithm plays into this. It doesn't care if people share content because they like it or it is good. It only wants ads to play.
It's one thing to debunk bigger channels. But don't give attention to the low effort channels.
Nah you’re giving them too much credit. They just don’t research enough lol
Thank you for this! I watched the original and was scratching my head at a few things.
Likewise, when I was watching the original, I was half out of it with exhaustion. But hearing some of the statements did certainly raise some red flags.
Maybe they didn't have a word for sexual preferences because it wasn't considered a personal identity?
Thank you for doing this! 👍🏻
So, if people 2000 years in the future find a library of hard core porn movies, they can assume that this practice was the norm in society in the 20th/ 21st century.
It is
Omg i feel horrible to hear such bs.. Thank you for your so valuable assistance, greetings from Athens Greece
Me:
"Brother, may I have some oats?"
:Metatron:
"Yes."
Metatron has thrown the oats to me, Brother
@@Freeze151 "I am starving Brother!"
Thanks for telling history like it is!
Also, Video suggestion: what would an Aztec think if they saw our modern world?
Thanks for the comment and the suggestion.
The bit about plays just says to me that humanity has always loved dirty jokes.
Ancient Greece is less than 100 generations ago. In evolutionary terms, it is actually nothing. We are the exact same people, just with different technology.
the way foreigners (mainly americans) seem to view ancient greece makes me question if they have a different definition of platonic love than we do
Women in Ancient Greece… not to be seen
Women in modern society… voting
The Greeks were “less” conservative 😂
15:34 speaking of Alcibiades, can we expect a Metatron video about the Peloponnesian war ?🤔
Keep fighting the good fight, Metatron. True things are true regardless.
I will, and thanks for the support!
ngl the "platonic" mic drop was epic lmao
Such a simple concept and such an outstanding way to put it meta :)
This just reinforces why I consider you one of my favorite youtubers :D
As a gay man, thank you for sticking to the facts and primary sources! I don’t want my sexuality being used by history revisionists. Simply put, we’ve probably always existed since the dawn of man…and we’ve always been a fringe group. It makes sense, we’re animals and gay sex is objectively against the “natural order” as you said. Not saying it’s wrong or right, I’m saying that the reason for sex is procreation and continuation of the species.
Omgosh thank you, Metatron!!!
Stay based, my dear friends. ❤
2:28 - Just a fun fact : the Aztecs developed an aqueduct for their great city entirely without knowing there was a world beyond Mesoamerica. Admittedly about 1500 years after the Romans did, but an awfully impressive invention for people who never developed candles or tables, let alone wheeled transport or beasts of burden.
Another fun fact: the reason for there being no wheeled transport or beasts of burden in the Aztec empire is because there was no way to do it in that part of the world. The terrain was awful for wheeled transport with there being too much vegetation for efficient roads and there being no strong tamable animals that could carry large weights.
@SoulshaBoy It’s true, I live in the Americas and we still don’t have wheels or roads here. Because of the terrain.
Great video as always, but posting this about your Greek pronunciation of some stuff. Remember that in Greek there's diphthongs, so "οι" is read as a longer "ι" rather than "ο"+"ι". "`Αρσενοκοίτης" is therefore pronounced "Arseno + keetiis", with the emphasis on the punctuation. Same for "koine", that's "κοινή" (keenii), meaning "common" (use that on google translate to hear the audio for reference or any other app that has audio).
PS: If I remember right, as you did mention, "Αρσενοκοίτης" was also the word used in the Septuagint to translate the part about how men shouldn't lay with other men like they did with women, making it closer to 2200 years old (bringing it that much closer to Plato's time), rather than just 2000.
I got a grindr ad on this video. Just... appropriate.
I don't know how anyone can use UA-cam with ads. Lol
METATRON: "It's going to be a long one!"
ME: "That's what she said!"
Appreciate your work and the way you go about it, i think youve got the right mixture of entertainment and education for the masses. Keep it up!
Metatron, you should watch leather apron clubs video on Ancient Greeks, he goes into the idea of "Being the active participant" not being viewed well, either. He uses original sources.
LAC is a Fascist. Ignore him.
An interesting thing I discovered about the different words for love in ancient Greek (my study was in Koine) and their meanings is that they passed their definitions around between them over time. Similar to how words like "nice" in English have changed from positive to negative meanings. Thus, the fact that they had more than one word ultimately didn't clarify things as much as we might think. I still get frustrated with people today abusing the word "love" by conflating its different meanings.
Here is my take on sex and other weird stuff in human history. They more than likely got up to all the same things we do now. To varying degrees of acceptance and popularity based on time period, place and culture. Thats all i need to know. People are people and we really haven't changed that much
Great video as always! As a Greek speaker (and a graduate of the Greek educational system which includes teaching of ancient Greek after 13) I popped in to say that Ludus and Pragma were not used as forms of love in ancient Greece.
I am open to being corrected of course, but I've never seen or heard Ludus in ancient texts of the pre-Roman period and "Pragma" just means "Thing". English speakers Also may say "we have a thing" but this doesn't make "thing" synonymous of "love".
I was very astounded when I heard the *Latin* word ludus used in the video. I didn't understand the following words, the way they pronounced them must be foreign to me.
It’s always a problem when you view the history of morality as some kind of continuum from conservative to liberal. The ancient Greek’s views on sexuality weren’t more conservative or more liberal than ours, they were hardly comparable because the religious and philosophical sources from which they drew those views were entirely different. Even our conceptions of conservative and liberal are too modern to be applied to ancient thought.
I can't tell you how much I love you and how validated I feel when you speak. Thank you for doing what you do!!!!
Αρσενοκοιτης(arsenokeetis) means he who goes to bed with men, but it has one more fun aspect. Κοιτώ means look. Αρσενοκοιτης comes from κοιτομαι(i am lying down) but it sounds like he who looks at men as well😅. Greek is fun
When Plato talks about beasts and nature, he's forgetting, or maybe hey just didn't realize, that male animals will use sex against other males to establish their dominance. Kind of like the dominant and passive same sex of Ancient Greece. Maybe he meant to use that comparison though, to say if men practiced such behavior, they were no better than the beasts.
When you say "Plato talks" this is very inexact. Who makes this comparison in the Platonic Dialogues? Because Plato's arguments are never stated explicitly in, to my understanding, any Platonic Dialogues. In fact there is a meta argument in the Meno about learning, and how knowledge is gained which would directly contradict the idea that Plato would ever state an argument explicitly. The dialogue meanders, with the ideas of wisdom being inherent, arriving from good teaching, and coming from experience. With this we can see that wisdom can not arise from simply stating arguments.
I bet you felt very intelligent writing that.
The amount of conformational bias people today exert just to end up making things up to fit their own narrative is insane. Good thing we have the Metatron❤
Comedians making sexual jokes actually makes me think they used it, like today, for shock value.
"Bro, i swear, ancient Greece was actually a gay sex paradise. It's not like they frowned upon it or anything."
I am so glad i found this channel
What shocks me a lot is how often people reference the events that happened towards the collapse of a civilization that has existed in many forms over thousands of years and make statements like "see, it was normal" despite quite often it not being normal during the times when the civilization was actually prosperous. It's almost like they believe we should behave like a civilization in collapse.
Huh? Greek civilization didn't collapse until 1204 AD. It just evolved up to that point.
a very acute notion. i really don’t have problems with what anyone doing as long as don’t harm others, that’s what liberalism right and especially relating to personal life as long as it stays that way. but this blatant ridiculous lies about genes or twisting of history bs like why you even doing that. you can’t change a reality nor facts. it’s just a agenda, which will run itself out, they doing more harm to their cause, and that bc who started it didn’t care at it all in the first place. now they successfully made common folk confused. we all ready seeing consequences of these fouls in societies. there is much to elaborate but if you know you know. their so called democracy metamorphosing into despotism.
Correlation does not equal causation. Certain behaviors become more popular in highly developed urban civilizations. Developing a highly urban civilization takes time for an agricultural civilization. The older a civilization is, the closer to its collapse it likely is. Of course, the industrialization changed things - now a developed urban civilization is the base requirement for a civilization, not its later stage. That's the issue with thinking history is cyclical, while forgetting that some changes, like discovering agriculture or industrialization, really are big enough to change the nature of future cycles.
"It's almost like they believe we should behave like a civilization in collapse."
Word.
@user-df4kf6fg7h you're describing something that doesn't need explaining, yeah the tech is creating a closed loop where time and culture are going haywire almost like that's the logical conclusion of human nature coming in contact with an established historical force upgraded tenfold.
0:36 or the number six in Latin
Or in Swedish
Fair
Not in Finnish 🌲
Tbh. It's crazy how their complete rewrite of history has just become so accepted online
I watched this video and the whole time was thinking "Oh man, I bet Metatron is going to have a field day with this one!" I'm so glad I was right.
"a man and a youth" yeah, alright, Sean Plato Colmbs.
Sean plato combs, is hilarious 😂
I also subscribe to that channel. I don't expect that his videos to be perfect. They are, however, intertaining. So I accept them for what they are. I was surprise that he did as good as he did. His biggest asset is his delivery, and the little asides he throws in.
Metatron you are simply awesome. We need more people like you who don't give a damn about identity politics nonsense and only care about the truth
Why do they keep making up this shit? Stop trying to make everybody in the past gay.
Stop making everybody straight
@@user-ho9ui6wc2d lol. We never do!
@@nogood237 Evidently you've never heard of conversion therapy or any of the vast number of fanatics who have sought to eliminate homosexuality.
@@CorneliusHDybdahl how is that related? Eliminating homosexuality is not saying it wasn't always there.
@@nogood237 Eliminating homosexuality *is* "making everyone straight", which you said "we never do".
I'm not quite sure who you meant by "we" though. The people trying to "gaywash" history are radical left wingers, and it is not like there is a radical straight liberationist movement to compare with.
Being Greek i cannot confirm or deny anything shown in this video.
We know, you have nothing in common with that culture, it's dead.
Have you developed the ability to see blue yet?
@@G2882GFound the turkalbanian
@@sotos-js4sf წადი, შვილო, ორი წიგნი წაიკითხე, იქნებ შეგრცხვეს სისულელეების ლაპარაკი.
I could be wrong, but I don't think the issue was that the ancients couldn't see blue. But that they wouldn't have called it as such and had different terminology to describe it. If I remember correctly, it was in 'The Odyssey' where the term wine-dark was used to describe how the sea looked.
i adore how there is only one word for love in english. i cherish it in fact. enamoured with it even. devoted?
etc...
Love between husband and wife can be pure but I think the love between a parent and a child is the purest form.
Not sexual love
This doesn't only pertain to biological parents
Nietzsche said that a man only ever loves his work and his children.
Ooh - excellent! I saw this WH and had my doubts.
When I went to university I learned pretty quick that most professors do not know that much that is just slightly out of their lane. They'll add or subtract things that aren't real to fit their world view and teach it. Then you have another history class that refutes what your first professor said the previous semester... college taught me it's a waste of money and you're better off being self taught, reading and studying all of the available sources and not just a handful.
Couldn’t have said it better. It’s pretty bad when you know more than the teacher. When I mentioned the “Laws of Lycurgus” teacher looked at me with a blank stare.
Plato was focusing to the fact ΕΡΩΣ (the first child of Cronos and Rhea -- where names mean Time and Flow) may hit any pair of souls; for instance, you can fall in love with your dog or cat, and your dog may fall in love with a human or a horse.
These bots infecting the comments are alarming
As a Scotsman, I found that 'Six' joke Hilarious.
Metatron I found your channel recently and it's literally the perfect channel for me lol. I love and appreciate your content so much so far and I've only seen a few videos. Can't wait to go through them all
The problem is that the misinformation if believed by people who are totally gullible or choose to believe the BS for reasons of their own. Discerning between information that has credibility as opposed to BS or sensationalism for clicks is done only by people who do not accept everything that is dished out to them without question. Thank you Metatron for this excellent account on the subject.
The fact that we haven't found even one word for homosexual in ancient Greek indicates that the behaviour was not as common as it is alleged by modern presentists.
Or it could as easily indicate that engaging in homosexual acts was not considered a special identify. It's not trying to find homosexuality in the past that is an anachronism, it's trying to find modern identity politics and labels.
@@user-df4kf6fg7h Well if it wasn't considered a special identity then that basically spells it out. To the Greeks it was just another type of weirdness befit barbarism, otherwise they would have given it a name if they truly recognized it as a behaviour befit of civilization.
@@kaizokujimbei143 You are actually more likely to name a weirdness than something considered ordinary. We have a word for a "slob", we don't have a word for showering every day or so.
To be clear, I don't think homosexuality was super common in Ancient Greece, I just think the "word" counterargument is a bad one, that assumes modern identity label politics.
@kaizokujimbei143 I think the greeks use the word flit hahahahaha
@@user-df4kf6fg7h Which is why I'm viewing it from the perspective of the ancient Greeks. The Greeks made the distinction between the barbarous and the civilized. My argument is that it stands to reason to assume that what the Greeks would have considered to be civilized behaviour it is that which would have been proliferated in their society as linguistic terms in common use. On the same token, the Greeks were aware of cultural practices espoused by barbarous tribes, meaning those outside of Greekdome. Still the Greeks did not give names to barbaric practices because what would be the point in that? Foreign concepts need not be introduced in common day parlance in the Greek city-states.
That is a good point. Many nations have a word for homosexuality is used in everyday speech that has a completely nonsexualized meaning. For example gay in American English. So the Greeks could also have used a common word to describe it that has lost this part of its meaning over time.
That boy of Socrates,Alcibiades, was one of the greatest politicians and strategists of ancient era,a womanizer and a person that lived a trully fascinating life.
I was watching a Greek historian named Apostolides claiming that while the Mythological hero of Alexander was Achilles, his mortal hero was Alcebiades. That has a point if we take into account that his tutor was Aristotle, Plato's student. Something of Alcebiades legendary charisma might have passed into him.
@@GG-wf6cb Alexander is a copy and paste of Alcibiades. A truly remarkable person, worthy of 10 videos.
Just one last aspect, the four terms for 'love' in Greek used to be a common sermon, or teaching among evangelical Christians, as well as a few other Protestant sects, particularly those with roots coming from the Anglican/US Episcopal sects. It became common after C.S. Lewis did a series of radio talks in 1958 on the concept of love, which were later compiled into his book, “The Four Loves,” exploring the four classical Greek terms for love: storge (affection), philia (friendship), eros (passionate love), and agape (charity). The radio talks were apparently criticized in the U.S. at the time for their frankness about sex. Until Pope John Paul II's Theology of the Body, which began with a series of 129 lectures delivered by the Pope during his Wednesday audiences from 1979 to 1984, C.S. Lewis' "Four Loves" was among the few most notable candid talks on sex and love that was had among Christians, Protestant or Catholic, in modern history to date.
It was important as a part of a sermon because it was used to emphasise that specific books meant something very specific in their messaging. it made clear that you could not confuse what people meant by love in a passage.
"What have the Romans ever done for us!?"
"Brought peace?"
i swear their a life of brian joke here but i cant remember it.
@@MarverynIndeed, there is. There was a meeting where the question was asked sarcastically "what have the Romans ever done for us!?" Then people started answering with things like aqueducts, public schools, sanitation, roads, etc. The very last suggestion was "They brought peace?" which was vehemently rejected.
Hahaha the aqueducts
You should do an entire series on this. Anyone who wants to understand the difference between Christian views of "sex" compared to the ancient Mediterranean views, especially Greek, read Nietzsche. The ancient Hellenes culture was Aristocratic, Honor based in the extreme. Rome was the same. It is impossible to understand their views of sexual relations without understanding their entire worldview, first of what "sex" was, they viewed it as Fertility/Virility, and second as something that was dictated by Honor and Aristos.
Arsenok-i-tis.
Not Arsenok-o-i-tis.
It's pronounced as a solid common i (in english e). And it's from the two vowels o and i. When combined they are pronounced as i (sounds like e, think the pronunciation of the word key and you got the sound to the T).
Source: I am Greek.
Excellent work on the video, but we are accustomed on the high quality from you brother :)
Do you agree with Metatron’s assessment that there is absolutely no doubt about how to translate this word? The Bible translation I use literally has a footnote on this word that says “meaning of Greek uncertain”.
@@boxxyismyqueen1 It originates from the word κοίμαι (or κείμαι) which basically means to lay down. With the purpose of either sleep, rest, or die. So yes, I have absolutely no doubt that my explanation is 100% correct.
You do realize that Ancient Greek had a different pronunciation, and wouldn't have been pronounced like in Modern Greek, right? It would be like pronouncing Chaucer or Beowulf with Modern English vowels. As it is, Paul would have likely pronounced it kind of like a German ü or Scandinavian y. And a lot of people learn the pronunciation of 400s BCE Attic.
@@akl2k7 I am a native Greek speaker that has been taught Ancient Greek on top. I am aware of the differences, and yes there are many. This is not how you pronounce it.
@@brollgarth It is if you use the reconstructed pronunciation. There's nothing wrong with that and it's closer to how it's written.
And being a modern Greek speaker isn't the flex you think it is. I'm sure there are plenty of Modern Greek speakers who pronounce Plato with their own pronunciation, which is nowhere near how he pronounced it (including some letter combinations like mp and nt as well as all the diphthongs collapsed into i). The difference between pronunciations is like the difference between Classical and Ecclesiastical pronunciations.
I always enjoy your sarcastic intros!
Our Metatron has spurred me to share me being pedantic... indoor plumbing was being used by the Harappan Civilisation in the Indus Valley a thousand - at LEAST - years before the Greeks stopped living in caves & hitting each other with sticks lol
He said Minoan. I'm not sure which civilization developed it first, but the Minoans were around at roughly the same time as the Indus Valley Civilization.
The worst part about "demonetisation" is that Google will still run ads and take the money for all of the views, but just not give it to the actual creator.