Vet Reacts *I Am Beyond Furious* The Mark 14 Torpedo - Failure is Like Onions By Drachinifel
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Ah yes the Mk-14 torpedo, or "Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be a ship shattering kaboom!"
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We call them "military grade."
A good carpenter who tries to get new tools and is told 'no'
Oh my god, you gotta watch "The voyage of the damned" by Drachinifel
Yes! most definately. Both parts
Yes!!! It's long, but so worth it. You e seen the bluejay cliff notes version, but he didn't really get into the ridiculousness that is the kamchatka
Yes. That whole series and the one on the battle off Samar.
Also, the video specifically on the Kamchatka.
Oh yes, this needs to happen!
Adm Ernest King was quite the character. Drach's videos on him, and several others that mention him, paint a picture of a very driven, some-nonsense, effective individual who loved his navy and hated almost everyone else with varying levels of how useful/helpful they could be to HIS Navy. The fact that he helped to restructure the Naval Academy into a more-efficient form while he was there, a form that remains to this day, means a lot to his legacy. If there were anyone who could drop a hammer and hound people to get things fixed, it was him.
Shame he didnt listen to us British for over a year though, sent many ships to the bottom killing thousands of sailors.
@@dave_h_8742 Well of course he didn't. He hated the British, just slightly less than he hated the Japanese and Germans
Semper Iratus. o7
The head of the Bureau of Ordinance at the start of WW II had been a lead member of the team that designed the Mark 14 torpedo so he was not going to admit that he screwed up in designing that torpedo. Blaming the submarine captains was more pollical expedient and pointing the finger at someone other than himself or his staff was better.
Imagine if small arms were like this. "Here's your new service rifle! And a good quantity of ammo. Remember, no test firing or qualifications with this rifle, it's only to be used in combat."
No joke, that's very close to what happened to the M16 when it was first issued. The channel Small Arms Solutions has a long form video detailing that mess
@@RaderizDorretI was thinking the exact Same thing
Meanwhile, it has jammed on the first round, it's incredibly inaccurate even when it does work, and half your soldiers are using it as a makeshift club because it's not even worth bothering using it the way it was meant to be used
So glad to see more people cover Drachinifel.
If you liked this style of video, and would like to hear about something a little less depressing, and more inspiring, I would check out his video about Admiral Willis ‘Ching’ Lee!
Or Admiral King
He’ll enjoy hearing about Lee running his steamroller over the BOrd multiple times.
Drachinifel is probably one of if not the best UA-cam channels for in depth naval history. You should check out more of his stuff, I recommend his video on the Royal Navy and it's part in ending the slave trade, I never learned any of that and it's implications for the US in school
Yeah, that episode on The West Africa Squadron was fascinating. He also did one on the Barbary Pirates, where a US marine force went on their very first overseas deployment to rescue American citizens from the slave markets in North Africa, that should be a blockbuster movie. 'The British Crusade Against Slavery' which goes into a lot more detail is also available on youtube and is probably the best 'complete' guide you can watch, albeit, a very hard watch.
If you really want to have a look at the clean up after pearl harbour. Drach has a great 3 part 30-40 min each part video on how they fixed the fixable battleships after the attack.
Oh, the reason that it says the five minute video is it that used to be a five minute info video on ww1 and ww2 ships but he expanded his content.
Also, he has a two-part video on the battle of Tsushima about the second pacific fleet from Russia if you are interested. Part one of that deals with the journey (voyage of the damned)part two actually has the battle. The funniest two videos that drach has on his channel. (Japanese torpedo boats, you mean those British fishing boats… yes those…oh crap)
It's never good to hear a thud when you're relying on a kaboom.
You should look into the case of the USS Tang. It had a torpedo do a circular run that hit it and sank it....
Cmdr Dick O'Kane had plenty of time to experience the horrible Mk-14 in his earlier time with Mush Morton on the Wahoo, and by the time he arrived in the Pacific with the Tang they were getting a handle on the problems and having very good luck with most of them. That last torpedo.... If Fate has your name on one, that was certainly Tang's. O'Kane's book, "Clear the Bridge- The war patrols of USS Tang" is a great read for anyone interested in submarines.
What a bloody tragic way to die, absolute disgrace. Killed by senior officers on your own side who cared more about their careers than their men. Incompetence is one thing but when you have cowardice on top.......................
So cool to see drach reactions from more channels
you have to react to drachinifel's two parter on the Russian 2nd pacific Squadron. one of those stories that feels to silly to be real
Do you see torpedo boats?
@@FS2K4PilotNo, no one sees torpedo boat do be quiet.
@@Isolder74 Nyet. If you don’t get the joke, don’t speak.
@@FS2K4Pilot Clearly YOU don’t seeing that’s the next line after the one you said.
@@Isolder74 I stand corrected.
If you want a genuine feel-good classic US navy story, Drachinifel covered the major voyage the Great White Fleet went on during Theodore Roosevelt's presidency. One of the few occasions where basically everything went right.😊
You get a whiplash with that head rolling...😁
The battle of Samar is great. He has a really good video on Taffy 3.
His channel name is pronounced “dra-KIN-ifel”, but it can be simpler just to call him “Drach”. This is one of his best videos.
ANOTHER drawback to the Mk 14 that isn’t discussed in this video is that the nose cone of the torpedo tended to crush on impact and FORCIBLY EJECT the exploder mechanism before it could detonate the warhead.
However, once you get the bugs worked out of it, under-keel detonation using magnetic influence is in fact a very good idea which is used in virtually all modern torpedos, at least for attacking surface ships.
I would like Kit to cover Drachs video about the Kamchatka
Do you see torpedo boats?
I remember going to the movies for a quarter. And it was usually a double feature.
You really need to watch his video on the Battle of Samar. It’s amazing.
I am amazed on how the hell US won WWII despite a lot of faulty communications and error of their gadgets
Pre 1917 Adm King had run ins with the English navy in peacetime...with all of the "king of the block" attitudes that entailed..you know, 'Get your toy navy out of the way of the mightiest fleet in the world, Yank.." THAT attitude.
Hence Adm. King's nickname by Draffich.."Semper Iratus." ua-cam.com/video/Zm-GrI-BuLM/v-deo.html
You were.warned... yes, it makes us all SO mad.
While there are several good suggestions... one of my favorites is the K-Class submarine... Englands underwater lawn darts.
Hate to tell ya, but the LAST thing Admiral King would have done is "meet you halfway". 🤣 [ drah-KIN-if-ell ] has a great bio of Admiral King, hope to see you react to it. King was sheer badassery disguised as a squid. 😂
Wasn't Admiral King described by his own daughter as "The most even tempered of men, because he was ALWAYS angry"
@@weldonwin She also once answered a reporter's question by saying, "My father does not....hate...British people. My father ESPECIALLY hates British people." 🤣
"I'm not angry" oh, you will be by the end of this
Yessss more drachinifel reactions
33:40 Oh he wasn't the only one, a large part of the US Submarine arms commanders till Lockwood arrived were also against the Submarine crews.
For instance one submraine got back to Pearl Harbour after a patrol and the entire crew threw their matresses out the hatches because they the black with mold, this was due to a lack of aircon and this wasn't the only issue with the sub it was basically run ragged and was falling apart, another submarine had arrived with back at Pearl in such a poor state again falling part, including the engine that at the end the engineers had been eyeing the crews bedsheets as they were trying to work out how much of them they were going to need to make a sail to try and get back to Pearl Harbour.
The commander before Lockwood read the reports inspected the boats and said they were in perfect working order and the crew simply had to "Do better", how on earth he was shot by someone i don't know.
The failure of the Mark 14 was mostly institutional. The higher ups of the Navy and Congress decided not to spend the relatively small amount to test it. In the end that was only the first part of the scandal and not the worst part. That was the coverup; and to this day the names who actually did it are very hard to identify. That is why I wish someone would do a real documentary on this which I consider the greatest scandal in the US military in WW2. It took almost two years to fully right; when it should only have taken a few months.
the admirals who fought any investigation and tried to blame it on Submarine crews should have been court-martialed and sent to Leavenworth; instead they apparently all skated and retired on full pensions. some of them even got promoted.
The fact that no one was court-martialed for the absolute shit show that was the development and deployment of the mk14 is a f*ing travesty
As Drac said, the lack of live fire testing prewar was at least understandable if distasteful, but the constant obstructionism and refusal to even acknowledge the existence of any problems is just unforgivable.
Check out Ramage's Rampage by The Fat Electrician. This story kinda plays into that one.
Its does make sense that this k8nd of thing could happen, just look today's government, it can and will gubar any situation or task, regardless of political views.
The concealing of faults is where it goes from stupid to criminal.
When the torpedoes didn't work, well it was user's fault. Not the ordnance.🤗
Ah! A fellow Fate fan I see
You should check out The Fat Electrician's Ramage's Rampage.
Oh damnit, your lack of the "Pepperidge Farm remembers" reference just left me completely flaccid.
Given that the RN had solved it's torpedo issues by 1941 why did the USN not simply licence build British torpedo warheads and detonators?
Because Admiral King, the guy in charge of the Navy, absolutely hated the British Royal Navy for the way they ran roughshod over the US Navy back before WW1. They were like "awww, the lil baby 'muricans think they got a navy, isn't that so cute? now get out of the way, the big boys are here".
I think one quote of his was "the royal navy was quite nice, in how they allowed us access to the High Seas". He really fucking hated the British because of that, and resisted any efforts to figure out how the British were doing convoy escort shit because of it, probably leading to a great deal of American merchant shipping getting sunk.
@@Vyrexuviel so King put personal prejudice ahead of the good of his country and the lives of his sailors? He was probably annoyed that when the USN sent a squadron to help the RN in WWI their gunnery was so bad they were sent for remedial training
@@davidmcintyre8145 Kinda. Racism and patriotism kinda went hand-in-hand back then, and King had an exceptionally low opinion of the Royal Navy due to the way their commanders arrogantly 'allowed' the US navy to even exist in international waters during WW1. He wasn't in command then, he was at most a ship-commander at the time, he only ascended to what HE would have liked to call the "Arch-Admiralty" for WW2, by which point his view of the British was probably "pompous arrogant buffoons who'd gleefully use MY SHIPS AND MY MEN to protect their own wretched asses rather than get stuck in themselves".
So his refusal to deal with the british was more akin to him trying to protect his men from what he perceived as their incompetence, not realizing that the British got rid of their incompetents very fast during the war. His personal vendetta against the British Navy -did- get in the way of the US gaining tactics and knowledge that the British had at first, but his own staff did an end-run around his refusals and got the intel anyway, which King begrudgingly turned a blind eye to, because it -did- start saving his men and ships.
Bear in mind that the Drachinifel episode about him (running for somewhere around an HOUR) is titled "Semper Iratus" for a GODDAMN REASON. ^^ The man was perpetually pissed off about SOMETHING.
Leave it to the Brass hats...
Adm. King's love of the British wasn't helped when the inventor of Pykrete fired his pistol at a block of the substance and the bullet ricocheted and nearly struck him...
EDIT: 32:00 Remembers the time that a US Congressman came back from a tour of forward areas and told a reporter that the Japanese were setting their depth charges too shallow which was allowing our subs to escape their attacks, this led to the loss of at least 10 subs...
20:02 It gets worse !
Repeated every few seconds.
Everything we was ever issued is by the lowest bidder. Mk 14 may be the worst example. But it is not the only one. Everything from the MAILCAT to our underground Cheese Bunkers. I am surprised that you are stunned by this. If we are golfing it is just a Bogey. Not par for the course, but where one just says. Yeah,
Dra-KIN- eh-fell. 😉
The Royal Navy did the anti-torpedo refit on the much smaller number of battleships and heavy cruisers it decided to retain after WW1, which used up the whole naval budget in the mid 1930s when anything that was going to be ready for WW2 needed to be built. The only problem was, that to avoid losing speed, they took armour off the decks and the roofs of turrets, making them more vulnerable to air attack at just the moment when aircraft carriers were about to become the decisive naval weapon until the 21st century, when drones became decisive and aircraft carriers became obsolete.
CV's have not become obsolete, and I doubt they will any time soon lol.
Ah yes, the video that makes one absolutely hate BuOrd with a vengeance
So glad to see Drach on here being covered. Now that you have seen this video you should cover his series on the US Pacific submarine campaign. It really brings to light just how bad was for those poor submariners. Granted it is multiple videos and like 3 hours in total but very much worth the watch.
Yeah, sending those sailors out with a main weapon that didn't work and then blaming them for the malfunctions...............incredible. We'll never know how many American lives were lost because of it. Incompetence during peacetime flourishes but is usually found out quickly when a real war starts like at Samar and Tassaferonga but when senior officers in charge refuse to take responsibility, the mistake is compounded. I wonder if those responsible were ever punished? I doubt it.
Just a heads up on pronunciation its something like Dra-kin-a-fell
The Mk. 14 torpedo is the perfect example of a "A Walking Cluster f---". Same with BuOrd.
em Kip.. they didn't do they Job testing it properly meaning many people WON'T die cause the warheads didn't go off at all
(damn.. typing this really seems dark now. nevermind must be this cude german humor we suposed to have..)
German humour is no laughing matter...
Ha! The Admiral King video explains his anger with the British. It’s pretty well deserved. During his time as a junior officer the British Royal Navy routinely sailing into American waters and showed no respect for our territorial boundaries. Plus Winston Churchill kept talking Delonoe into stealing naval resources from the pacific for the Atlantic. Plus the British refused to send a carrier prior to the battle of midway and said “your on your own”. Yeah Ernest King had feelings about the British.
I mean honestly the British had more than their hands full. They were fighting Germany in the Atlantic and the North Sea and the Japanese in the Indian and Pacific trying to defend their colonies. Its still surprising the Brits could have the ships to try to cover the entire planet.
wait when did people start reacting go drach? i,m not complaining but i legitimately didn't see that coming with how long his vidoes can get
You have no idea how many many many times I have put in the request for this one. Yes, long. But... worth it. Altough very frustrating.
How about $0.35 back in the 70s.
I would love more Drachinifel content on this channel. if you need an expert on naval history, this guy and montemayor are some of the best options.
"Beware of the Leopard"
I'm waiting for a "Don't Panic"
Too many do not get that joke... which is disappointing as the books were insanely amusing. Do not forget your towel.
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@@SoMuchFacepalm No i'm actually looking forward to not being able to understand everyone. I'm sorry but too many people say things that make no sense, but in languages I already speak.
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Hi Kit. If you really want to find out a bit more about the Mark 14 torpedo failures, The fat electrician has recent video called ramage’s rampage. Apparently he was one of the earliest captains to call the board of ordinances Mark 14 torpedo garbage. Only for him to be told no, your aim is shit our torpedo is fine.
This would come back to haunt him on his fourth war, patrol where he would be labelled as to timid a captain despite the fact that he launched practically every single torpedo, he had at target, and none of them hit, or they missed or they detonated prematurely…😮
Red Ramage’s rampage would occur with his second ship at around the same time the U.S. actually manage to fix the Mark 14 torpedo’s problems.
If you're doing Drach, _Voyage of the Damned_ (parts 1 & 2) should be your next video[s]....
"So many people are going to die because this was a bad idea".
To be fair, so many people were also going to fail to die.
In all seriousness, it's hard to figure out who dies and doesn't die in 1941-1943 if the torpedoes worked or how the war would change; we we don't know most of the failures.
If a sub is sunk, you can expect every crewmember to die. With most WWII US subs lost on patrol, we know roughly when and where they died but not how.
Those especially were the people who died because of the torpedo.
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The worst thing about BOA is that they were aware of these problems, but because fixing them would've meant particular factories would have shut down. A complication that certain politicians didn't want to happen because it may have meant they didn't get re-elected.
If I had been in charge of the Bureau of Ordinance after WWI, testing of the Mk 14 torpedo would've been REQUIRED.
You can require it all you like. If you can’t get Congress to approve funding for it, it doesn’t happen.
@@FS2K4Pilot Who needs Congress when they have a lot of cash they didn't spend in their personal life because they're a cheapskate outside of work?
Bureau of ordinance incompetence and corruption sadly remained after ww2 and tried to kill the sidewinder missile because it would replace their missile at a fraction of the cost and a much greater rate of success.
ua-cam.com/video/9cj1YOV-Kz0/v-deo.html a bit more detailed. All reading, but I found it educational. Backs up Draffchs' very well.
Imagine if they actauly had a Torpedo that worked how many tons of ships more would japan have lost and so many US lives would not of been wasted on a attacks that failed because someone could not be othered to see if it worked. But no they cost so much better not waste it in find if the dumb thing worked it must because we made it. Did they not learn for other things you need a prototype to find the bugs then fix them and improve till you get one that works otherwise you are wasting time building dud Torpedos.
I almost want to see you react to the ordinance boards even worse scandal. The deliberate sabotage of the M16 during Vietnam.
Just wait till he sees hotels go to war
You had ONE Job!
Admiral King's hatred for the British was legendary. Despite the fact that the Royal Navy had been the most powerful navy in the world for the last 200 years, despite that even though Britain and America were considered even in naval power by 1940 most pragmatic American Admiral's consider the Royal Navy to be better, and despite the fact that the Royal Navy had been single handedly taking on both the German and Italian Navy's for the last 2 years and mostly winning, Admiral King held them in contempt. He pretty much ignored all the hard won experience the British had in hunting U-boats which would have been useful in the first months after pearl harbor when U-boats were hunting off the east coast. On multiple occasion's Roosevelt had to order King to cooperate with the Royal Navy when planning operations.
34:10 The commander of that Sub was so angry he stormed into the US Submarines commander Lockwood, who was on the sub crews side, and was about to scream and shout at Lockwood over the Torpedo and Lockwood was quite will to let him do it and then let the guy off, thats how bad it was that a sinior officer was ready to let an office commit insubordination and then let him off, fortunately for Lockwoods ears the poor sub commander had got so angry he was unable to speak only to be told his Torpedo's were fine, its not recorded what his reaction to that sentence was but i wouldn't have wanted to be in the room he was told.
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