Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Discovery 5.7 - Erigah
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Reno has been criminally underused ever since she was introduced wayyyy back in Season 2.
Absolutely-- but at least it means that Tig has been very busy.
Same with most of the cast!!
I need a Reno spin off to see her past life
@@ghijkmnop Yeah from what I understand, their schedule plus their health issues have made using them kind of difficult.
But comically perfectly used. Comedy people should always steal the scene. Tig and Carol eat their scenes. Some of us waited decades for the introduction of killer Comedy to Sci-fi.
We have seen that "You don't need the nice translator because I understand your actual words." thing a thousand times and not always great. They nailed it with this one.
The Betazoid Dr being named Marina was a nice connection
Indeed I'm surprised I didn't catch that one. 👍
I caught it on first glance but I wonder if the Denobulan one is a connection between Sato and Phlox but my brain might be mixing Star Trek and Korra.
@@aoinatafanboy84yes it absolutely was..
That should have been in Cetacian Observations.
It was mentioned last week
You didn't UP T'rina's joke about a tribble infestation?
Stamet needs Book to check out the library card. That's an up for me.
lol. Love it
Definitely! Nice to know library cards are relevant in the 32nd century!
A Book in a library
@@JMtzSchz Nice!
When they said Beryllium, my mind jumped to GalaxyQuest's Beryllium spheres.
T'Rina's needs of the many speech also gave me 'In the Pale Moonlight' vibes. Yes, there will not be war today, and all it cost were the lives of two criminals and the self-respect of Starfleet officers. I call that a bargain.
A more linguistically correct interpretation of that would be more like "Today, we may have prevented a war with the Breen, along with the loss of life on an unimaginable scale and all it cost us was the life of one criminal, the livelihood of another, and the self-respect of all (Starfleet) officers present. I'd call that a bargain." or even a little less DS9 ish with "Today, we may have prevented a war with the Breen, along with the loss of life on an unimaginable scale. Something of which we had traded for life on a very comprehend-able scale. The life of one criminal, and the condemnation of another to a dark corner of Breen space, where at their mercy, she will willingly divulge everything she knows on the Projenator's tech. Today, is a dark day for us all".
Absolutely love T'rina in this season, i think the actress nails it she really comes across as not just a competent leader of her planet, and diplomat, but she really comes across as a familiar vulcan but with an edge she would have from growing up in a romulan unified vulcan. She reallly reflects the subtle changes to their society, so good
SEVEN OF LIMES! Had me rolling!
Does it fit with the time line ?
i don't get how it fits into the timeline? er. timelime.
It’s available history
They're in the future. So, yeah, available history.
@@beesleep23 😆
In fairness to Zora selecting Reno - I'd just like to think Zora was referring to anyone who fits those parameters currently on the ship.
The duranium shadows trick originated in "The Emissary." "The Way of the Warrior" was a callback to that to show this time, they truly were armed to the teeth.
Why *isn’t* that station actually armed to the teeth tho?
@@Enterprise1701J Arms aren't due to arrive until Tuesday.
@@NeilBlumengarten you know jokes get old and stop being funny right?
@@Enterprise1701Jit is in later seasons, in the DS9 pilot the Cardassians had just left & taken anything of value with them, presumably also the weapons
@@MarcSGA Except for six photon torpedoes. Maybe they were garbage torpedoes.
As far as the right or wrong of turning Moll over to the Breen, after President T’Rina says,
“Unfortunately, it seems there is little to be lost by allowing this, and much to be lost by keeping her”.
It reminds me of Spock saying “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one” after sacrificing himself to save the crew of the Enterprise in The Wrath of Kahn.
Reno is always on point
Part of me wishes Reno had been even more incredulous about it, herself. However, her deadpan reaction was classic and the wry wit of her riff was enough to make me forgive the forced contrivance.
Reno is the shiz!
Especially when she complimented the fine work the Scranton branch of Dunder Miflin does. Even if her daughter DID punch the “Nard Dog” in the eye.
There was part of the negotiation scene that I hoped Rayner would get an Up for - At 17:15 in this video, Burnham is about to be called to sickbay. As soon as she beams out, Rayner immediately steps forward to represent his captain in the meeting. Given the rocky start that he had being demoted and reassigned as an XO, I found this gesture particularly poignant. This guy's growin' on me! 🖖😋
I agree. That was pretty badass, the way he stepped forward at that moment and grilled that Breen.
Is it weird that, even after five seasons, after it's gone from extraordinary to routine, I still get a thrill every single time from "Black Alert!" and that klaxon?
Same!
Not at all!
Nope
I LOVE black-alert and the klaxon too.
My only thing is I that I kinda wish the lights in the bridge were actually black, but I get the look of the dark blue
The Breen's one true weakness... *gullibility* 😅
Discovery's one true weakness. Writing! 🤷🏻♂🤷🏻♂🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂
@@c.a.nixiii4650 legit. facts.
If your only negotiating tactic is, "die!!!", then you don't have a lot of practice at verbal trickery.
This season has the best version of Captain Burnham so far.
that's not difficult. all they had to do was get her to stop crying for 5 minutes and she would immediately be less annoying.
@@Welcome2TheInternet yeah the first version was way too aggressive and always scowling, then she was way too emotional and now she's just right.
@@Welcome2TheInternet Why is a woman crying annoying to you? Honestly, that is something that I am disturbed about when it comes to men. You guys don't like it when women say you should shut your feelings because women are uncomfortable seeing a man cry. Or think that men can't be victims.
I like how she has evolved into this person. It took a while for her to get there. She didn’t just magically become so solid.
Chief O'Brien also used thoron fields and duranium shadows to bluff the Cardassians in "Emissary".
"Major, we only HAVE six photon torpedoes."
So, the Breen's refrigerator suits regulate healing and some sort of life support.
Also, it allows them to stay in Jelly state inside the suit. They say jelly is the true Breen.
Simular to the Changelings who prefer to be in liquid state.
Jelly Breens. Their offspring are Breenie Babies.
@@chazmania3644I hate and love you at the same time. Take a like
Is that why the Female Changling was so comfortable with them?
@@RogbodgeVideo yes
I give an Up to the amount of 'Whoopsie daisies" in this Ups & Downs episode 😂
Yeah! The editor was having fun with that one.
I wonder what Sean thought about that when he saw the video later.
I don't even get why they're there?
@@CaptainsChannel58same
1. He didn't share his trauma in the War Room because he was cut off and kicked out before he could.
2. Major annoyance: Writers who create a situation that is live of death and depends on the traumatic information, and then, "I can't talk about it."
That quick confab where they discuss whether to give Moll over to the Breen: congratulations to the showrunners for managing to squeak a Kobayashi Maru scenario into the story without actually *saying* the words "Kobayashi Maru".
Also: WHOOP-sy daisies!
I had a similar discussion with my family about how the library card could somehow show Book where the library is now, but eventually rewatched the scene and heard Stamits theorize "what if Dr Derex created a transitive link between this card and the place it came from" which i imagine means Trek "science" to explain how the card could tell Book where the library was now.
And it sucks that we've just lost Detmer and Owo for the rest of the season for no reason.
Take an Up for that shirt! lol
I imagine a Seven of Limes is a Margarita
I was thinking a whiskey sour with lime juice, or maybe a 7 and 7.
A borg beverage
@@jackkenefick2696 Your liver will be assimilated.
Doug Jones was busy doing press tours for Hocus Pocus 2, that's why he isn't in this season a lot.
Was this filmed back then????
Or maybe the other way around, not being in a few episodes allowed him to do press tours.. who knows.
@@Bored_Barbarian Season 5 was filmed from June to November in 2022.
@@Tuskin38 It's 2024 now. This was sooooo long ago.
@@suezcontours6653 what’s your point?
Sean, you gave an "up" to Culber's uniform, but it didn't register.
Love your breakdown, as always! 🖖
He does wear the new uniform better than anyone else
i love how you keep bringing up the exit shot of the dreadnought like 80 times during the observatinos
It took me a sec to understand what was your t-shirt....I laughed for so long I had to rewind a section and watch again
I would love to know where Séan got that shirt.
I'm just wondering if Threepio consented
Petition to rename this show to the "Whoops and Daisies" of each episode. Great program y'all ❤
Am I the only one who has no idea what that reference is to?
I have really enjoyed T'Rina. She seems to be exactly what Spock and so many Romulans and Vulcans wanted near the end of the TNG Era. The best of both worlds. She is Vulcan but she also has her emotions. Her emotions don't run away with her but are instead a strength added to the powerful Vulcan mind. Seemingly the perfect diplomat. I adore her character!
There was a reference to Marina Sirtis. "Labyrinths of the Mind, a Betazoid manuscript written by Dr. Marina Derex. "
that was covered last episode
@@kenzieduckmoo Thnx!
Love your shirt. I'm watching a series on UA-cam of a couple where they're watching through Star Wars, the husband is a longtime fan but the wife is seeing them for the first time and she keeps referring to C3PO as "the Tin Man". She also calls nearly every alien she sees a fish.
The arrival of the Breen ship gives me Shrike from Picard Vibes
I felt it was more similar to the USS Vengeance's reveal in 'Star Trek Into Darkness' and they showed how much bigger it was to the Enterprise.
I thought of the arrival of the Executor at the beginning of The Empire Strikes Back. Casting a huge shadow
Seán saying whoopsadaisy is my new ring tone.
Love all the new lore on the Breen! I think this is a good edition to their lore as a whole, and I think the entire society is so interesting!
Sean, you made 2 mistakes in Cetacean Observations. 1) While Martok (I believe it was the changeling, since the real Martok didn't recognize Word in the prison camp) did refer to thoron fields and duranium shadows, the procedure was first used in the DS9 pilot "Emissary" by Kira and O'Brien to trick the Cardassians into thinking twice about attacking the then-unarmed station. 🙂 2) Tau Ceti is not the Traveler's homeworld. "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and "Remember Me" both listed his home as Tau Alpha C, not Tau Ceti. This may seem like a difference that makes no difference, but unfortunately, it's an issue of sloppy writing in "Journey's End".
This may seem a bit obsessive, but I'm autistic, and precision with continuity is a big deal with me. 🙂
Did anyone else notice that the Tin Man has his hand on C3PO's rear end.
Yes. Gay tin men. 🤷🏻♂🤷🏻♂🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂
I kinda love that Burnham has a version of herself from season 1 in her first officer.
Same
The writers in DISCO have such a different writing style and messaging than SNW. In the SNW episode where Pike goes into an alternative future where he and not Kirk captains the Enterprise, Pike makes the wrong call for by not attacking the Romulans. Here, we have the opposite message where the Federation prevails by seeking peace rather than fights.
well it could be that we're waaaay in the future now too
@@gngrtech That's true and a good point. I was thinking more in terms of the messaging that the writers are wanting to communicate.
Not seeking fights is ostensibly what Starfleet is supposed to do as often as possible, since they are first and foremost not a military organization.
I'd say that was a very unique situation on SNW, where Pike completely misjudged the Romulan threat and made the wrong call since he was never supposed to be there in the first place.
❤ the single down and multiple ups around Reno! Hilarious
THANKS for this!!!
Thanks Sean you always help me with things I miss ❤
Goddamn, Moll, L'ak, and Book can all get thrown out of an airlock at this point.
24:45 Doug was off doing press stuff promoting Hocus Pocus 2.
Started a drinking game with "whoopsie daisies"
...I'm on the floor now. But Seven of Limes helped with that a lot!
Raynar's backstory reminded me of Captain Ben Maxwell and the Setlik III massacre.
Can't wait to see the badlands roll on next episode
I'm just hoping that they stop by whatever is there for Deep Space Nine, on the way.
@@darkshado3 Nothing is still there, most likely. It's been a LONG time, and who knows what other ships were most likely docked there during the burn.
@darkshado3 yeah love to see ds9 and the best ship in the fleet ie the uss defiant NX-74205-? Agian
Ups & Downs & Whoopsy Daisies this week. Nice! Thanks Sean.
I laughed out loud at Oded Fehr's character's rank being given as "Dadmiral." Absolutely perfect for him, no notes whatsoever. :D
love the shirt.
great effin' episode. Ready Room kinda helps with the feels.
What’s with the quick cuts of Sean during Cetacean observations where it sounds like he’s saying “whoops sedated” or something like that.
Good episode. Finally moves the plot forward more
With so much at stake, how can security be so lax? Hang around to hand over information to a deadly enemy and then hand over someone who knows all about it. Stammits - talk about the big secret in the corridor. Carrying another planted device as you head off to the Badlands?
Really enjoying your ups and downs from the island of Guam in the Mariana’s Islands
I love many things in this episode and this Ups&Downs, but this editing of Cetacean Observations was unique!! XD
So love the t-shirt you are wearing!
My Latinum Up is for @seanferrick for sneaking in "Jelly Breen" -- a term I learned after last week's episode that I PRAYED he'd use!
The traveler was from Tau Alpha C, not Tau Ceti.
I yelled that at the screen when first watching the ups-and-downs. However, TNG was inconsistent about the Traveler's home system. In "Where No One Has Gone Before", Riker says, "You're from Tau Alpha C." (Note that the TRAVELER doesn't say where he's from.) In "Remember Me", Dr. Crusher tries to set a course for Tau Alpha C. (Or so says Memory Alpha, but my recollection is that she actually said Tau Ceti. I'd have to watch it again to be sure.) And in "Journey's End", he's said to be from Tau Ceti. (Not sure who says it.) So it's a contradiction. Someone needs to check with the Traveler. (Get it? Travelers Checks? Sorry, dad joke.)
14:38 Don't forget, before the USS Discovery showed up, The Federation and Starfleet were a shadow of their former self.
They didn't have a lot of research, resources, etc.
They used spare tech and ships from before and after the Burn.
They probably went to the Fleet Museum to get some of those spare ships.
Was hoping Dr. Culber got an up for putting up quite a fight in sickbay before getting stunned. Bet it surprised her that he did better than the security guys.
Maybe he was trained by M´Benga in the doctor´s melee combat school.
Im so happy you noticed the sheer power of that warp shifting the ships!!!
I love how much of a puppy Sean is with the ups. Half of them are just because this actor or this character or this person was present. He's like a golden retriever.
To be fair about the knowing what happened to Kellerun thing, no one knew who Spock’s parents were, even though surely Kirk should know as Captain given Sarek’s notable services to the Federation. 😂
The balance of a and b plots in this episode was very.good
Oh Sean. Y'all are amazing. Can you tell I'm from Texas? Sheesh.
Sooooo I think this analysis was one of your best. Well done mate.
Two things. That t shirt! Omg. I have to get one! So great. Secondly, you guys had me rolling on the floor with "whoopsi-daisy". Dead. Dying. Thanks for the laugh.
BTW, the library was a CGI enhanced (many more floors) Thomas Fisher Rare Book Library at the University of Toronto.
The hexagonal lighting column is real.
I am sure you have heard by now.. but Doug Jones was on a press tour for Hocus Pocus 2 at the time of the filming of these episodes so was unavailable. Love your content .. keep it going!
Such a great season so far. They found their footing.
Stamets says there may be a transitive link between the card and the place it came from. Basically the card has a link to the library so when Booker is reading it he is sensing what is at the other end of the connection. It probably works on some sort of quantum entanglement on the emotional level. Remember we have seen long distance telepathic links in Discovery before.
Love these videos , Also I now need a “Reno” spin off for her S1-2 life & before
Love the slip on 5:15, Dadmiral Vance 😅😅
The library card is telepathically connected to the book. Marina didn't need to know where the library would be. The card points to the book, wherever it is. Which is how, er, Book, figures it's the Badlands.
I love that we have all decided he is Dadmiral Vance.
You do realise Beryllium is a real element right?
And the NSEA Protector in Galaxy Quest is powered by a Beryllium sphere.
I'm glad somebody acknowledged what Book did!
Love the shirt Sean.
Love the T-shirt 😂❤
It took me about ten tries to pause it right when the Power Rangers helmets were seen. Well done!
Love your shirt! I'd love to own one too!
What about Lt. Tilly? She was referred to as a Teacher, so will this coordinate with Star Trek: Academy ? Did she come from the Academy, or will they have her leave for the Academy ? Your thoughts on what's going with Tilly and Starfleet Academy ?
Sean, your t-shirt game is 🤌🏾
I think the image Book sees is just illustrative of the _type_ of place the archive jumps to, there are several places that host that same phenomena, and the badlands happened to be the next one in the pattern they identified.
I was happy to be surprised by this ep. I was so worried last week when discovery jumped to Moll and l’ak that it would allow them to nab the artefacts and yeh final clue and get back in the chase
I've also been half and half on the small universe feel of the season with the crew figuring out the correct clue locations with no duds but then being hidden in the TNG era does narrow it down a lot but it’s still a long shot with all the planets that have common elements like blue water beyond trill and betazed
Dude, that tshirt is killer.
As always thank you all so very much for the videos.
You know what... I've been a fan, subscribed, sharing, and liking for years; but I don't recall exactly what cetacean observations are. Perhaps you could remind us who've forgotten, and those who are new what it is? Or give us a brief video on it (please).
In the production background for TNG it was suggested that the Enterprise had a section on one deck called "Cetacean Ops" that analyzed navigation data. It crewed by tanks containing species of oceanic Earth creatures - cetaceans like dolphins and whales. The producers assumed that in the future we would have realized that they were sapient.
This was never seen onscreen, but apparently there was a little background chatter referring to it, and the TNG Technical Manual showed an outline of a whale in that section (but that was more likely a joke, since there are other gags like gigantic mice hidden in other sections of the schematic.)
@@HermanVonPetri Thank you very much, and yes I know about those Cetacean Ops, but it was very good background information. What I was mostly curious about was the distinction between Ups & Downs and Cetacean Ops. Good info though, thanks again.
@@grahamcann1761 Cetatean Ops is mostly for the "Did you notice this reference, or see this in the background, or see how this thing relates back to this other thing..." Anything from easter eggs to callbacks to references, but nothing that makes or breaks an episode.
@@petertrudelljr Thank you.
Came for the Primark, left with two pairs of jeans, three shirts and a five-pack of socks; still got change from fifty quid...
I love that shirt!
Beryllium is also what the main mirrors on the James Webb Space Telescope is made out of.
It’s so finely polished they’ve been working on the mirrors over 20 years before the telescope launched.
Did not understand the first down, I think Adira asked for "anyone in the personnel on the ship" -- so it wasn't about asking just for ANYONE but anyone on Discovery, not very small world in that case?
Yeah, and Zora's a smart AI - she's not going to pull a name out of her virtual hat that's, say, on the far side of the galaxy and hard to get in contact with. The clock is ticking on this one...
11:52 love the pun, 7 of limes 🍋🟩
Sean, I need to know where you got the shirt. It is all the things I love!
Nexus also travels in a pattern
I think the Federation ships swayed when the Breen left cause the Breen ship is so large, it has its own gravity. The warp bubble must be huge! Great review.
That t-shirt is friggin awesome 😂 ❤ it
One thing that I love about Disco is that from the start I really feel like more than any other Trek series, Disco gives us a fuller view of Starfleet and the Federation. Hear me out.... Enterprise, Star Trek, TNG and espeically Voyager are all about a single ship being out in space exploring. On rare awesome occasions the ship and it's crew would interact with Starfleet and even rarer with The Federation. In Disco Season One we had Admiral Cornwell in a ton of scenes and episodes. Then in season two we got Pike, the Enterprise, Spock, and section 33. Then jumping to the future with a moble Federation, Disco is constantly "jumping" to HQ and interacting with Fed President, Ambassadors, and Starfleet Command, and I love it. Disco is really built for those who love that part of this world.
Nice t-shirt!
massive down to book being in that last scene. literally no downside to giving her up
One thing I did like about this Episode. They mention the breen attack on earth During the dominion war.