I was the CV player on this game, it was difficult spotting in a tier 7 against tier 9 BB's and CC's. Especially with the enemy CV having so many fighter squadrons compared to my one. It didn't help that the bloody Missouri wasn't playing and then the Bismark flounced off. Still enjoyable having my first mention on jingles and flamboo's channel.
Anyone else rewatching this after Zulu2scroot managed to be featured again? Edit: I love that he's complaining about pink players but is missing the point that he is 50% of his teams pink players. He also seems to be unaware that you don't see enemy pink players. (Or am I mistaken?)
The video is even more funny if you're German or at least understand the language :D The whole cursing and complaining of the friendly Bismarck is embarrasing and hillarious at the same time ;) So to sum it up for our english-speaking friends: - First he says, the porgramers are gay because they love pink (and of course he is pink at this moment), are screwing him over and everyone should pass that on. The reason: There's no pink ship on the enemy side. - Then he says, one should immediately stop playing the game or complain due to discrimination (You know, two pink ships on his side, none on the enemy side) tot he game attendance. And yes, only a German could come up with a agency like a "game attendance". Until that the programmers are, of course, gay ... or, now he recognizes the women in the team, lesbian. - After this he curses about his 380 mm guns doing no damage, and decides at 7:53 to go away because of that. But before he goes, he has to call somebody (enemies, wargaming, everyone, idk) mean suckers :D This becomes even more funny if you hear what Jingles is saying at about 11:00, because the Bismarck has most likely been afk for about 3 minutes at this (If you look at his straight driving in this time, it's likely). Of course it was no fair fight, because the Captain of the Bismarck just wasn't there. A little bonus for all Germans watching the video :D
It gets even more funny when you look up his stats. 4000 battles, 43.7% win rate, 472 average XP. And 26K average damage in the Bismarck. By pressing W in a secondary specced Bismarck you will do more damage per battle. My worst nightmare in WoWS are German players in German battleships. You just need to look at the German forum section, not a single day without some BB Kevin complaining about DDs being OP, CVs being OP, fire being OP, Russian ships being OP. Oh, and stats don't matter, they only play for fun. None of them could explain me since the launch of WoT how losing 60% of your games while having done nothing is fun.
Genau so wars! Und der immer nette Mr. Jingles lobt die mutige Bismarck die unbemannt auf die Richlu zu fährt. Das war echt eine gelungene Nebenhandlung.
The difference is much more apparent in Essex class aircraft carriers. The IJN finished two fleet carriers while at war with the US. The US finished 23 Essex class carriers alone.
An answer to question "what was Japan thinking?" is: It's either war, or economical collapse. Japanese stratefy was simple. They had to obtain resources to sustain its grasp as a significant power over the Western Pacific and China. The position they obtained in worlds view during the 1904-1905 Russo-Japanese war, by defeating the most powerfull army of that time, the Russian Empire Army (and Navy, eliminating both: the Russian Pacific fleet and Baltic fleet). The problem was, Japan didnt have enough resources on its own ground, and China and all of the Western Pacific was carved between colonial empires, like Great Britain, Netherlands, Germany (untill the treaty in 1918) and USA (obtained by defeating the Spain). The war over the Pacific was imminent, and everybody expected it long before WWII. And the only thing they could do after 1939 and Germany's victories over Europe (so eliminating France, and keeping Brits on their toes in Europe) was to eliminate USA and obtain resources from Indochina by force, after USA, Netherlands and GB cut the trade with Japan (as it was an ally of Third Reich). The thing was: They knew from the start they are not able to win a long war. They didnt have the industrial capacity. The Japanese navy doctrine was therefore: Build capital ships that will be able to win a fight with at least 2 other enemy vessels at a time. So quality over quantity. Yamamoto said, that if Japan wants to rule over PAcific, they have to eliminate USA from the equation in 6 months. After that, the success was impossible. He wasnt wrong. He knew the war is lost after IJN failed to sink US Carriers in PEarl Harbor. Funny fact: When Chiang Kai-shek, the leader of Kuomintang (nationalist movement in China) heard a radio broadcast about Japanese raid on Pearl Harbor, he stood up, light a cigarette and told his wife: "Honey, please play "Ave Maria". Cause he knew, whats going to happen. Of course this is a very simplified version ^^.
GRonth GrOnth there was a third option which was comply with US demands or appease them. Pride prevented them considering it, but it wasn't just a choice between war and collapse.
if the american aircraft carriers where on pearl harbor when the japanese attacked-as they expected-they could of done much more damage to the american navy and make it much easier for then to take over the pacific ocean. that was their plan.
complying with US demands would mean reverting to situation from before Japanese expansion. Which would mean a social unrest and even quicker economical collapse cause Japan wouldnt be able to afford its army an navy. It would also mean that Japan would accept its role as a de facto being under US indluence. It never was a real option.
Wrong. Japan believed the US would declare war on them if they invaded British Indochina, so they decidedly to strike preemptively in an attempt to stop the US from retaliating. What Japan didn't know is that the US were not prepared to go to war over Britain's dominions, thus the entire Pearl Harbour attack was entirely unnecessary.
All they had to do to actually WIN that war, was if they had burned the oil and left the boats in Pearl Harbour. USA would have killed itself trying to keep its navy going with no oilreserves in place, and no depots. Quite probably Japan could have negotiated a peace with USA if they had managed a surgical strike on the oil-depots without a massive loss of lives.
Another spine crunching carry by Flambass, only came across him once in game....on the other side, I felt a cold shiver down my own spine and knew, just knew that I would end up another notch on his gun belt. I wasn't wrong, but at least I can say I set Flambass on fire and made him work at least slightly harder to kill me than he had to for certain individuals he has played.
How did you feel after that match btw (you don't have to answer if you don't want to)? Also, have you ever played as a CV ( I honestly don't know), and if you have, have you ever gotten the permanent Shift key bug while playing as a CV? I lost a Killer Whale operation match because of that bug. I at least got some compensation next match, where I did 145k dmg.
I felt great xD Also yes I play all classes in WoWS and there is too many CV UI bugs to bother playing them anymore. I enjoyed CVs but recently I'm just w8ing on rework (which should fix the UI problem as well) to continue playing them
Wow, I know I would be frustrated as heck. I guess that's one reason why I sit at a 57.9 % win rate in WoWs *shrugs* Also, about CVs, the only bug I encountered was the permanent Shift key bug, and while it only occurs on extremely rare occasions, when it does I nearly Hulk smash my PC every time. Nowadays, I only play CVs in scenarios, so my poor Shokaku just sits in my port, waiting to go sailing again. I probably should give the old girl a go sometime soon.
Tora Tora Tora: I have traveled throughout America they're industrial might is awesome! I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant! Understatement of the Century! LoL
teamstr259 And the kicker is that Yamamoto threatened to quit if he didn’t get his master plan carried out. One that was _guaranteed_ to piss America off to the point where they wouldn’t stop until Tokyo was ashes. He knew better and went for it anyway. That is the height of idiocy, right there.
Jimmy Seaver Makes me wonder how different things could've been. If the carriers had been in pearl like they planned. Things would've been extremely difficult. Im not saying we would've lost. Most definitely would've changed everything.
Jimmy Seaver Umm... what are you talking about? Yamamoto was pretty much AGAINST war with the US, but he was fighting an uphill battle against a very militarist government. He knew exactly that Japan's chances of winning were slim to non-existent, which is why he famously said that (i'm paraphrasing here) "the only way Japan could win this war would be if we march to Washington and dictate terms in the White House, I wonder if our politicians have confidence that is going to happen". When the militarist faction overruled him, he came up with the attack on Pearl Harbor as the only strategy he could think of to stave off outright defeat (the militarist faction wanted to "whittle down" the US Fleet as it approached Japan and then finish it off in a climatic battle, a plan which is utterly bonkers) and even so he caution that it would only buy Japan 6-12 months of restpite before the US war machine got into gear. And yes, he threatened to resign, but only because he knew the choice was between the time bought by his plan and straight up defeat. It must be heart wrenching to be the ONE sane man in the Japanese high command before WW2, see the inevitable outcome of a bunch of idiots declaring war on your behalf and yet be powerless to stop it...
Only delayed things by about 6 months. As soon as the Essex class start turning up it is all over no matter what, and the US war effort was wasteful as it was, going for both the island route as well as the Philippines (mostly to appease McArthur), a single route was possible with less resources and had been planned for since about 1905 in one form or other, and extensively since 1920 with the Rainbow Plan series.
Actually sometimes I myself do that mistake *side effect of playing the Old USS cleavland a bit too much (seal clubbing) For me its usually like if a gun caliber starts with 15 then obviously it should be 152
During the war, the IJN had, at most, 11 carriers, 12 battleships, 18 heavy cruisers, 20 light cruisers, and 81 destroyers. Mind you, this doesn't account for the different "peaks" of these classes happening at different times.
Sorry but on the "What was Japan thinking?" They were thinking they were gonna get off a series of devastating strikes, cripple American morale and the war would be over in 6 months not 3 and a half years. The idea of the pearl harbor attack was to cripple the US navy's pacific fleet and the harbor itself so that even if the US built a counterattack within those six months they wouldn't have Pearl harbor as a forward base. However the attack was not carried out according to plan, Nagumo retreated before launching the third wave which was intended to cripple the harbor itself. If they had done that, the resulting conquest of US territories and a victory at midway and the Japanese could have possibly damaged US morale enough for the US to agree to a peace treaty. Which was basically how Japan wanted this war to go.
Have watched the video from Flambass, but I couldn't skip watching the commentary from the Mighty Jingles. And the added value is there, a nice addition to the original video once again.
I'm the Missouri on the opposite team! I can say to u with certainty,that if your Missouri wasn't afk,u would have prevailed easily... Whoever has been in the same position as you,knows the feeling... GG sir and best luck with your teams in the future! :D
My grandfather served as an Engineering Officer on board one of the Fletchers during the war. Actually, funny thing, it was the USS Kidd's (DD-661) older twin sister, USS Bullard (DD-660). He was a Merchant Marine Academy grad of the Class of 1943. When I first started playing this game, I immediately went straight for the Fletcher-class destroyer. I have both the Fletcher and the Kidd. Love them both dearly.
I also watched this on live stream. Epic battles by flambass! Saw you had a commentary about it, so had to watch it again, so i could hear Jingles take on it.
During this fight I was more intrigued by the moronic german Bismark player who spent the first 2 minutes of the game complaining about the matchmaking, calling the devs gay/lesbian and then choosing suicide by Richelieu. In fact, he steered the Bismark right into the next enemy bunch and then refused to fire his main battieries (the shots we see are from the secondaries). He ended up being the second worst player, just above the afk Iowa. ^^
Yeah, watched in amazement how this guy first revealed he does not understand even a tiny little bit of the teamkill and later damage mechanics and then suiceded. What a moron.
Jingles, the IJN order of battle was 186 surface ships of destroyer class or bigger at the time of Pearl Harbour. I don't know if it got too much bigger. Not many survived still afloat.
I have had a love for all ships starting at the age of sail and cannon. World of Warships makes the best modern but not fully modern battleship concept real time action. Thank you Sir Jingles, I have followed these videos for a long time. I play on the PS4 platform. 💜
Fun fact about the Japanese attack on Pearl harbor: I I think it was one of the Japanese admiral who said they would have about six months of free rein in the Pacific before the US got fully geared up and they would start to lose. I might be wrong on the exact time frame, but holy God did that ring true.
Understand that things happen and the need to AFK sometimes. At this point WGing could easily replace these AFKs with AI ships after a set amount of time. We have seen the math from previous videos that a team is down 1 player is at a huge disavantage, and has a much greater chance of a loss.
Pickle P that would actually be a good idea. If no controls are touched for like 1 minute or 30 seconds or something, it becomes an AI ship. Though maybe it should be made so it is impossible to earn a profit, or xp else people can just exploit.
In case no-one else has mentioned it, in reference to your question about the size of the Imperial Japanese Navy (re: 175 Fletchers). Yes, at the Battle of Midway, the Japanese Navy deployed 200+ warships in the overall campaign. Not all in one place, but yes. Of course, you still have a very valid point! :)
Another thing you might find interesting about the Fletcher class. They were so standardized in their design and construction, that one set of technical manuals and drawings could be taken and used aboard any of them.
When he lets those torpedoes go and then ducks around the other side of the island, it's just amazing. No one else is helping, so he's in two places at once!
Jingles, I ALWAYS love hearing your historical commentary on naval history and the different classes of naval ships and tanks. Admiral Yamamota tried to warn the Imperial Japanese High Command about attacking the United States, but it was for naught. He knew about the industrial capabilities of the United States. Keep up the good work, Jingles.
Per your discussion in the beginning, that was the entire point of Pearl Harbor. The Japanese wanted to deal the knockout blow before the US industry could grind into gear. Problem is, A: they didn't get the carriers. B: They didn't launch the third wave, which would have hit the incredibly vital fleet tenders. Maybe if they did those two objectives they could have completely crippled the pacific fleet and had free reign for the crucial first year or two of the war, but they didn't. Yamamoto's quote about the sleeping giant shows his dawning realization that they didn't get enough done.
Anyone else come from the reply to the comment on the vid with Zulu2scroot complaining in a CV and suiciding bc of the win rate of his team while he had a 24%?
Heard from Rita that you'll be joining us in the salt mines, now named the "new Portuguese salt mines". Welcome on board sir Jingles cold showers stale food and warm bunks, you should feel right at home.
Damn... Flambass failed to sacrifice enough n00bs and dissidents to RNGesus to secure the HARD CARRY dispensation..... So sad.... *sniff* BTW...DDLIVESMATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for those who don't know, the Admiral Yamamoto actually opposed to the plan of attacking Pearl Harbor. He was a Harvard student and while he was there he observes the US industrial prowess while travelling across America (#summerRoadTrip). his defense is there is no way Japan could match the US industrial power even in peacetime
The problem with the attack on Pearl Harbor is that it wasn't supposed to be just an attack. It was originally conceived and meant to be a two pronged plan: Attack and destroy the American armor which was mostly bulked together at pearl, which HAD TO INCLUDE the carriers, and a follow up invasion and occupation of the Hawaiian islands. Without Pearl to stage from, the US would have been at a huge strategic disadvantage in the early war. The carriers were not at port when the attack happened so the plan was halted and Japan couldn't regroup and supply before Midway happened. This being said, Jingles said it well, Japan just couldn't compete with the industrial might and output of the US in terms of arms building. Yea, Japan could build some quality armor, but we made up for that in numbers. As a metric, Japan commissioned only 2 battleships during the war (Yamatos sister ship Shinano was turned into a carrier half way through) while the US commissioned 10 Battleships during the war.
I really have to hand to Flambass for pretty much carrying his entire team in this video even though in the end it was a defeat but still, wow just amazing effort on his part. Not to forget to mention all in just a Fletcher Destroyer.
Sometimes all you can do is die like a hero. To pull out a random movie quote that you'll get a cookie if you can identify, "We have dressed in our best and are prepared to go down as gentlemen. But we would like a brandy."
Many top brass in Japan KNEW they could never prevail against the industrial might of the US, being a natural resources poor country. They had intended to deal a big blow and then negotiate a peace favorable for them. In the initial phases of WWII it certainly worked, but to my knowledge they never even attempted to negotiate peace? But even some of the top admirals warned against attacking the US. Yamamoto studied in the US, in Harward, and he knew Japan could never beat the US in a prolonged war.
And this is exactly the reason i stoped playing world of warships world of tanks and the one we don't speak of.... XD Plz keep making the amazing videos jingles they always make me smile and laugh.
To be fair to the Japanese, Admiral Yamamoto opposed picking a fight with America because he knew what he'd be up against. But his government bosses were convinced of their own superiority; they'd beaten everyone else, and they could handle this sleepy overseas power with its (then) outdated planes and battleships. Once he got his orders from on high, all Yamamoto could do was give it his best shot.
Corey Patterson plus, the Imperial Japanese Navy is competing with the Army for funding. With Manchuria and Taiwan (iinm) under the Army's belt, the Navy can only one-up the Army by picking a fight with Murrica.
They hadn't "beaten everyone else". They'd beaten Russia in Japan's backyard, and they were locked in a bloody war of attrition with China. I suppose you could also say that they beat Korea and Vietnam, but that wasn't really saying anything back then. Hell, in a border skirmish in the 30s, Russia kicked Japan's ass so hard that Japan swore off of war against Russia no matter the circumstances.
i'm going to be completely honest here. If i was flambass in that match, i would've cried, while throwing my pc out of the 3th floor window. And i'm a grown ass man.
During WW II the U.S. put in service over 300+ Destroyers, 500+ Destroyer escorts, 10 Battleships, 15+ Fleet Carriers, 12+ Light Carriers, 112 Escort Carriers, 40+ Cruisers, 200+ Submarines, that's not including cargo ships, tankers, troop transports, and support ships. It is astonishing how many ships were built from 1942 to 1945.
Jingles, you should watch the Isoroku, its a 2011 film made on Admiral Yammamotu in Japan, he already predicted the exact same thing that you were mentioning in the beginning of the video...he knew that eventually..it was all going to come to a flaming bad end...but as samurai...you go down swinging....
I was the CV player on this game, it was difficult spotting in a tier 7 against tier 9 BB's and CC's. Especially with the enemy CV having so many fighter squadrons compared to my one. It didn't help that the bloody Missouri wasn't playing and then the Bismark flounced off. Still enjoyable having my first mention on jingles and flamboo's channel.
Anyone else rewatching this after Zulu2scroot managed to be featured again?
Edit: I love that he's complaining about pink players but is missing the point that he is 50% of his teams pink players. He also seems to be unaware that you don't see enemy pink players. (Or am I mistaken?)
oh, he's well aware but instead complains about discrimination xD
exactly why im here lol
Yes. I hope he's been reported. Repeatedly.
You can see enemy pink players if you hover over their IGN at the in-game scoreboard(?) (TAB-key)
oh yes I just realized who Zulu2Scroot was just now!
The video is even more funny if you're German or at least understand the language :D The whole cursing and complaining of the friendly Bismarck is embarrasing and hillarious at the same time ;)
So to sum it up for our english-speaking friends:
- First he says, the porgramers are gay because they love pink (and of course he is pink at this moment), are screwing him over and everyone should pass that on. The reason: There's no pink ship on the enemy side.
- Then he says, one should immediately stop playing the game or complain due to discrimination (You know, two pink ships on his side, none on the enemy side) tot he game attendance. And yes, only a German could come up with a agency like a "game attendance". Until that the programmers are, of course, gay ... or, now he recognizes the women in the team, lesbian.
- After this he curses about his 380 mm guns doing no damage, and decides at 7:53 to go away because of that. But before he goes, he has to call somebody (enemies, wargaming, everyone, idk) mean suckers :D This becomes even more funny if you hear what Jingles is saying at about 11:00, because the Bismarck has most likely been afk for about 3 minutes at this (If you look at his straight driving in this time, it's likely). Of course it was no fair fight, because the Captain of the Bismarck just wasn't there.
A little bonus for all Germans watching the video :D
Yeah, that guy basically outed himself as the biggest idiot in the game the first time he wrote in chat.
It gets even more funny when you look up his stats.
4000 battles, 43.7% win rate, 472 average XP.
And 26K average damage in the Bismarck. By pressing W in a secondary specced Bismarck you will do more damage per battle.
My worst nightmare in WoWS are German players in German battleships.
You just need to look at the German forum section, not a single day without some BB Kevin complaining about DDs being OP, CVs being OP, fire being OP, Russian ships being OP.
Oh, and stats don't matter, they only play for fun. None of them could explain me since the launch of WoT how losing 60% of your games while having done nothing is fun.
Just wanted to say the same. More or less. The chat in this game was glorious ^^
Genau so wars! Und der immer nette Mr. Jingles lobt die mutige Bismarck die unbemannt auf die Richlu zu fährt. Das war echt eine gelungene Nebenhandlung.
gnahaha was about to comment on that, too ^^ the chat is ridiculous. he is putting us germans to shame :D
Anyone else came back to check this real quick thanks to Zulu2scroot making another appearance in Jingle's new vid "Loser" ???
Surprise Surprise, he's rocking the pink name tag of shame here.
@@LazyTestudines and he also came second to last on the team
Yes, yes I did. And he hasn't gotten any better manners and/or language it seems xD
Guess not all people are capable of change, guess their brains are either obsolete or perhaps underperforming
yup
It's the kind of game after which you stare at the results screen, mutter obscenities then switch the PC off for it's own safety lol.
Flambino made more base Xp than the winning team.
Who's here from the 'Loser' video to watch Zulu2scroot in the Bismarck? :D
I am :D
I am
Aye!
What d'you reckon about him? Is he a plain moron, or just a troll?
Me
The difference is much more apparent in Essex class aircraft carriers. The IJN finished two fleet carriers while at war with the US. The US finished 23 Essex class carriers alone.
12:27 - Missouri player actually apologised for being afk
Due to the game crashing.
nice spot
khrister or more like the hamsters on WG servers are dying and need replacing.
Thats one slow comp if he couldnt get back on within a min or two of match start.
Silentwolf Sherman it’s possible. One time I spent 3min trying to get back into a match because the game crashed and I have pretty good internet.
An answer to question "what was Japan thinking?" is: It's either war, or economical collapse.
Japanese stratefy was simple. They had to obtain resources to sustain its grasp as a significant power over the Western Pacific and China. The position they obtained in worlds view during the 1904-1905 Russo-Japanese war, by defeating the most powerfull army of that time, the Russian Empire Army (and Navy, eliminating both: the Russian Pacific fleet and Baltic fleet). The problem was, Japan didnt have enough resources on its own ground, and China and all of the Western Pacific was carved between colonial empires, like Great Britain, Netherlands, Germany (untill the treaty in 1918) and USA (obtained by defeating the Spain). The war over the Pacific was imminent, and everybody expected it long before WWII. And the only thing they could do after 1939 and Germany's victories over Europe (so eliminating France, and keeping Brits on their toes in Europe) was to eliminate USA and obtain resources from Indochina by force, after USA, Netherlands and GB cut the trade with Japan (as it was an ally of Third Reich).
The thing was: They knew from the start they are not able to win a long war. They didnt have the industrial capacity. The Japanese navy doctrine was therefore: Build capital ships that will be able to win a fight with at least 2 other enemy vessels at a time. So quality over quantity.
Yamamoto said, that if Japan wants to rule over PAcific, they have to eliminate USA from the equation in 6 months. After that, the success was impossible. He wasnt wrong. He knew the war is lost after IJN failed to sink US Carriers in PEarl Harbor.
Funny fact:
When Chiang Kai-shek, the leader of Kuomintang (nationalist movement in China) heard a radio broadcast about Japanese raid on Pearl Harbor, he stood up, light a cigarette and told his wife: "Honey, please play "Ave Maria". Cause he knew, whats going to happen.
Of course this is a very simplified version ^^.
GRonth GrOnth there was a third option which was comply with US demands or appease them. Pride prevented them considering it, but it wasn't just a choice between war and collapse.
if the american aircraft carriers where on pearl harbor when the japanese attacked-as they expected-they could of done much more damage to the american navy and make it much easier for then to take over the pacific ocean. that was their plan.
complying with US demands would mean reverting to situation from before Japanese expansion. Which would mean a social unrest and even quicker economical collapse cause Japan wouldnt be able to afford its army an navy. It would also mean that Japan would accept its role as a de facto being under US indluence. It never was a real option.
Wrong. Japan believed the US would declare war on them if they invaded British Indochina, so they decidedly to strike preemptively in an attempt to stop the US from retaliating. What Japan didn't know is that the US were not prepared to go to war over Britain's dominions, thus the entire Pearl Harbour attack was entirely unnecessary.
All they had to do to actually WIN that war, was if they had burned the oil and left the boats in Pearl Harbour. USA would have killed itself trying to keep its navy going with no oilreserves in place, and no depots. Quite probably Japan could have negotiated a peace with USA if they had managed a surgical strike on the oil-depots without a massive loss of lives.
Never played this game but just listening to Jingles talk is good enough.
Another spine crunching carry by Flambass, only came across him once in game....on the other side, I felt a cold shiver down my own spine and knew, just knew that I would end up another notch on his gun belt. I wasn't wrong, but at least I can say I set Flambass on fire and made him work at least slightly harder to kill me than he had to for certain individuals he has played.
Came back from the most recent video, "Loser," to watch our boy in the Bismarck.
#DDlivesMatter
How did you feel after that match btw (you don't have to answer if you don't want to)? Also, have you ever played as a CV ( I honestly don't know), and if you have, have you ever gotten the permanent Shift key bug while playing as a CV? I lost a Killer Whale operation match because of that bug. I at least got some compensation next match, where I did 145k dmg.
I felt great xD
Also yes I play all classes in WoWS and there is too many CV UI bugs to bother playing them anymore. I enjoyed CVs but recently I'm just w8ing on rework (which should fix the UI problem as well) to continue playing them
You know this was a very SPESHUL kind of a team.
Wow, I know I would be frustrated as heck. I guess that's one reason why I sit at a 57.9 % win rate in WoWs *shrugs* Also, about CVs, the only bug I encountered was the permanent Shift key bug, and while it only occurs on extremely rare occasions, when it does I nearly Hulk smash my PC every time. Nowadays, I only play CVs in scenarios, so my poor Shokaku just sits in my port, waiting to go sailing again. I probably should give the old girl a go sometime soon.
#DDlivesmatter
I just came from the newest upload about Zulu2Scroot... It seems like the guy hasn't changed a bit in the last 2 years!
Tora Tora Tora: I have traveled throughout America they're industrial might is awesome! I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant! Understatement of the Century! LoL
and a brilliant film one of my faves :)
teamstr259 And the kicker is that Yamamoto threatened to quit if he didn’t get his master plan carried out. One that was _guaranteed_ to piss America off to the point where they wouldn’t stop until Tokyo was ashes. He knew better and went for it anyway. That is the height of idiocy, right there.
Jimmy Seaver Makes me wonder how different things could've been. If the carriers had been in pearl like they planned. Things would've been extremely difficult. Im not saying we would've lost. Most definitely would've changed everything.
Jimmy Seaver Umm... what are you talking about? Yamamoto was pretty much AGAINST war with the US, but he was fighting an uphill battle against a very militarist government.
He knew exactly that Japan's chances of winning were slim to non-existent, which is why he famously said that (i'm paraphrasing here) "the only way Japan could win this war would be if we march to Washington and dictate terms in the White House, I wonder if our politicians have confidence that is going to happen".
When the militarist faction overruled him, he came up with the attack on Pearl Harbor as the only strategy he could think of to stave off outright defeat (the militarist faction wanted to "whittle down" the US Fleet as it approached Japan and then finish it off in a climatic battle, a plan which is utterly bonkers) and even so he caution that it would only buy Japan 6-12 months of restpite before the US war machine got into gear.
And yes, he threatened to resign, but only because he knew the choice was between the time bought by his plan and straight up defeat.
It must be heart wrenching to be the ONE sane man in the Japanese high command before WW2, see the inevitable outcome of a bunch of idiots declaring war on your behalf and yet be powerless to stop it...
Only delayed things by about 6 months. As soon as the Essex class start turning up it is all over no matter what, and the US war effort was wasteful as it was, going for both the island route as well as the Philippines (mostly to appease McArthur), a single route was possible with less resources and had been planned for since about 1905 in one form or other, and extensively since 1920 with the Rainbow Plan series.
*Actually, Jingles,* Mogami has 155mm guns, not 152mm guns.
HyperDimension Bliss lol
* Cocks pistol * J-J-J-Jingles?
6.1" for you Imperialists out there ;)
...Wha....?
Actually sometimes I myself do that mistake
*side effect of playing the Old USS cleavland a bit too much (seal clubbing)
For me its usually like if a gun caliber starts with 15 then obviously it should be 152
"The USS Midway aircraft carrier was shot down" why was it flying :) so that's where Shield got the design from.
During the war, the IJN had, at most, 11 carriers, 12 battleships, 18 heavy cruisers, 20 light cruisers, and 81 destroyers.
Mind you, this doesn't account for the different "peaks" of these classes happening at different times.
Sorry but on the "What was Japan thinking?" They were thinking they were gonna get off a series of devastating strikes, cripple American morale and the war would be over in 6 months not 3 and a half years. The idea of the pearl harbor attack was to cripple the US navy's pacific fleet and the harbor itself so that even if the US built a counterattack within those six months they wouldn't have Pearl harbor as a forward base. However the attack was not carried out according to plan, Nagumo retreated before launching the third wave which was intended to cripple the harbor itself. If they had done that, the resulting conquest of US territories and a victory at midway and the Japanese could have possibly damaged US morale enough for the US to agree to a peace treaty. Which was basically how Japan wanted this war to go.
Oh gosh, I watch Flambass all the time and chat with him on Twitch. This is a great day, thank-you again Jingles!
Have watched the video from Flambass, but I couldn't skip watching the commentary from the Mighty Jingles. And the added value is there, a nice addition to the original video once again.
Your commentary is hysterical!! I love it!
I'm the Missouri on the opposite team! I can say to u with certainty,that if your Missouri wasn't afk,u would have prevailed easily... Whoever has been in the same position as you,knows the feeling... GG sir and best luck with your teams in the future! :D
I guess that answers the question asked at the end:
All you need to win is sinking 7 ships with less than two AFK/TK ships in your team....
My grandfather served as an Engineering Officer on board one of the Fletchers during the war. Actually, funny thing, it was the USS Kidd's (DD-661) older twin sister, USS Bullard (DD-660). He was a Merchant Marine Academy grad of the Class of 1943. When I first started playing this game, I immediately went straight for the Fletcher-class destroyer. I have both the Fletcher and the Kidd. Love them both dearly.
I also watched this on live stream. Epic battles by flambass! Saw you had a commentary about it, so had to watch it again, so i could hear Jingles take on it.
Hey 175 Fletchers, 50 Casablanca class escort carriers, 2,710 liberty ships, the list goes on and on
who's here from today's (27 april 2021) video to see zulu2scroot xD
I love how the fletcher is an agruably better torpedo boat than the Yugumo
Your videos are the first thing I watch when I get home from work. You are the reason I got into WoW and WoT. I am a Jingles Fanboy.
During this fight I was more intrigued by the moronic german Bismark player who spent the first 2 minutes of the game complaining about the matchmaking, calling the devs gay/lesbian and then choosing suicide by Richelieu. In fact, he steered the Bismark right into the next enemy bunch and then refused to fire his main battieries (the shots we see are from the secondaries). He ended up being the second worst player, just above the afk Iowa. ^^
Missouri :)
Yeah, watched in amazement how this guy first revealed he does not understand even a tiny little bit of the teamkill and later damage mechanics and then suiceded. What a moron.
afk missiouri?
Thx guys for correcting me, it was the Missiouri afterall. ^^
(I was too lazy to rewatch the video :P)
he went afk the moment he wrote his last chat message
Jingles, the IJN order of battle was 186 surface ships of destroyer class or bigger at the time of Pearl Harbour. I don't know if it got too much bigger. Not many survived still afloat.
Seen it live, but still enjoy Jingles commentary :)
Hadrien Croubois probably less swearing
15:57 "His USS Ranger aircraft carrier has been shot down"
So ships can fly now?
I have had a love for all ships starting at the age of sail and cannon. World of Warships makes the best modern but not fully modern battleship concept real time action. Thank you Sir Jingles, I have followed these videos for a long time. I play on the PS4 platform. 💜
Fun fact about the Japanese attack on Pearl harbor: I I think it was one of the Japanese admiral who said they would have about six months of free rein in the Pacific before the US got fully geared up and they would start to lose.
I might be wrong on the exact time frame, but holy God did that ring true.
Yamamoto said that. 6 months before the battle of midway. Almost to the day
Understand that things happen and the need to AFK sometimes. At this point WGing could easily replace these AFKs with AI ships after a set amount of time. We have seen the math from previous videos that a team is down 1 player is at a huge disavantage, and has a much greater chance of a loss.
Pickle P that would actually be a good idea. If no controls are touched for like 1 minute or 30 seconds or something, it becomes an AI ship. Though maybe it should be made so it is impossible to earn a profit, or xp else people can just exploit.
afk in game should get 0 credits & xp and a 5 min cooldown to re-queue for a game imo
If your 1 year old pc bluescreens loading wows you might want to return it and get a working one, because it really shouldn't
because Wargaming is master of spaghetti code. I have had many random crashes with WoT and WoWs on my old laptop as well as on my gaming PC.
The computer might be able to run the game, but if you lose connectivity it doesn't matter...
In case no-one else has mentioned it, in reference to your question about the size of the Imperial Japanese Navy (re: 175 Fletchers). Yes, at the Battle of Midway, the Japanese Navy deployed 200+ warships in the overall campaign. Not all in one place, but yes. Of course, you still have a very valid point! :)
Another thing you might find interesting about the Fletcher class. They were so standardized in their design and construction, that one set of technical manuals and drawings could be taken and used aboard any of them.
When he lets those torpedoes go and then ducks around the other side of the island, it's just amazing. No one else is helping, so he's in two places at once!
Jingels already watch this match on flambas channel but you being the narrator of the game makes it so much better it's like watching a new video
By the end of WW2 an Essex class aircraft carrier was being built and commissioned every 90 days
Brilliant game and commentary Jingles, just goes to show Flambass is a truly amazing player ;)
This is the unsalted version of Flambass's usual stream. Jingles should add the parental warning to the Flambass link.
At least somebody recognised the threat Flambass is
Jingles, the description is hilarious. Never change. :)
I was watching along side you, Whiskey in hand..while down loading WOWs to the new system!!! damn good match
You remain the "gold standard" for play by play. Always a pleasure!!!
i think we need a story time with jingles where he just reads chapters from books like great naval blunders or Neptune's inferno.
Jingles, I ALWAYS love hearing your historical commentary on naval history and the different classes of naval ships and tanks. Admiral Yamamota tried to warn the Imperial Japanese High Command about attacking the United States, but it was for naught. He knew about the industrial capabilities of the United States. Keep up the good work, Jingles.
I’ve always loved the Fletcher Class DD, beautiful and deadly.
That was one helluva game from Flambass. I've never seen anything like it!
That was just an epic battle. Well done, Flambass.
Hands down most awesome game ever. All respect to the captain of that boat.
The Liberty ship has that beat, they produced 2710 between 41-45. The SS Robert E Peary liberty ship was built in 4 days 15 hours and 29 minutes.
Flambass was definitely channeling the spirit of USS Samuel B Roberts in this effort.
Per your discussion in the beginning, that was the entire point of Pearl Harbor. The Japanese wanted to deal the knockout blow before the US industry could grind into gear. Problem is, A: they didn't get the carriers. B: They didn't launch the third wave, which would have hit the incredibly vital fleet tenders. Maybe if they did those two objectives they could have completely crippled the pacific fleet and had free reign for the crucial first year or two of the war, but they didn't. Yamamoto's quote about the sleeping giant shows his dawning realization that they didn't get enough done.
Anyone else come from the reply to the comment on the vid with Zulu2scroot complaining in a CV and suiciding bc of the win rate of his team while he had a 24%?
Have to agree, I watched it live and it was equally enjoyable watching a 2nd time.
Cheers from Down Under ol' bearded one :)
Heard from Rita that you'll be joining us in the salt mines, now named the "new Portuguese salt mines". Welcome on board sir Jingles cold showers stale food and warm bunks, you should feel right at home.
Cold showers, stale food and warm bunks, any wwiii submariner would call that an upgrade. Hurray for showers!
Made me watch this twice now Jingles :)
Yamamoto tried to tell them they were delusional, but they didn't listen.
Well honorable jingles senpia we were thinking blitzkrig in the pacific
Just like sailing broadside on to a battleship, Japan received a paddling.
Historically accurate fletcher game play
Damn... Flambass failed to sacrifice enough n00bs and dissidents to RNGesus to secure the HARD CARRY dispensation..... So sad.... *sniff* BTW...DDLIVESMATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No it aint russian oh wait just wait I know what I am talking about
for those who don't know, the Admiral Yamamoto actually opposed to the plan of attacking Pearl Harbor. He was a Harvard student and while he was there he observes the US industrial prowess while travelling across America (#summerRoadTrip). his defense is there is no way Japan could match the US industrial power even in peacetime
Ooooh i just watched this the other day on Flambasses channel. Great stuff.
Well played, and great commentary. Good shit.
more points than the first one he winning side :D great one +Flambass!
The problem with the attack on Pearl Harbor is that it wasn't supposed to be just an attack. It was originally conceived and meant to be a two pronged plan: Attack and destroy the American armor which was mostly bulked together at pearl, which HAD TO INCLUDE the carriers, and a follow up invasion and occupation of the Hawaiian islands. Without Pearl to stage from, the US would have been at a huge strategic disadvantage in the early war. The carriers were not at port when the attack happened so the plan was halted and Japan couldn't regroup and supply before Midway happened. This being said, Jingles said it well, Japan just couldn't compete with the industrial might and output of the US in terms of arms building. Yea, Japan could build some quality armor, but we made up for that in numbers. As a metric, Japan commissioned only 2 battleships during the war (Yamatos sister ship Shinano was turned into a carrier half way through) while the US commissioned 10 Battleships during the war.
Even though the player lost the game, fantastic video by Jingles!!
Flambass's magical ability is finding the most incompetent teams possible and still almost pulling a win out of his ass.
I love the Sandlot reference one of the greater movies of all time
To be honest, when Flam was going against the Lion I thought Jingles meant the French Lyon and got royally confused when he said T9
Just one thing I can say after watching Flambass' performance … Wow!
I really have to hand to Flambass for pretty much carrying his entire team in this video even though in the end it was a defeat but still, wow just amazing effort on his part. Not to forget to mention all in just a Fletcher Destroyer.
Sometimes all you can do is die like a hero. To pull out a random movie quote that you'll get a cookie if you can identify, "We have dressed in our best and are prepared to go down as gentlemen. But we would like a brandy."
A destroyer on fire? I can hear the gleeful laughter of every battleship driver everywhere.
Many top brass in Japan KNEW they could never prevail against the industrial might of the US, being a natural resources poor country. They had intended to deal a big blow and then negotiate a peace favorable for them. In the initial phases of WWII it certainly worked, but to my knowledge they never even attempted to negotiate peace?
But even some of the top admirals warned against attacking the US. Yamamoto studied in the US, in Harward, and he knew Japan could never beat the US in a prolonged war.
I think even the enemy team probably just sat in awe and respect at the fight they just witnessed...
And probably half of the Japanese tonnage is the Yamato and Musashi
gg jingles , flambass great player , better person , deserved spotlight
And this is exactly the reason i stoped playing world of warships world of tanks and the one we don't speak of.... XD Plz keep making the amazing videos jingles they always make me smile and laugh.
To be fair to the Japanese, Admiral Yamamoto opposed picking a fight with America because he knew what he'd be up against. But his government bosses were convinced of their own superiority; they'd beaten everyone else, and they could handle this sleepy overseas power with its (then) outdated planes and battleships. Once he got his orders from on high, all Yamamoto could do was give it his best shot.
Corey Patterson plus, the Imperial Japanese Navy is competing with the Army for funding. With Manchuria and Taiwan (iinm) under the Army's belt, the Navy can only one-up the Army by picking a fight with Murrica.
Not to mention that since the February 22 Incident the army more or less WAS the government, regardless of whom actually sat in the chair.
They hadn't "beaten everyone else". They'd beaten Russia in Japan's backyard, and they were locked in a bloody war of attrition with China. I suppose you could also say that they beat Korea and Vietnam, but that wasn't really saying anything back then. Hell, in a border skirmish in the 30s, Russia kicked Japan's ass so hard that Japan swore off of war against Russia no matter the circumstances.
@@Raptor747 Very good point indeed!
Flambass actually uploaded the video to his youtube account, saw it there first so was somewhat bemused to see it appear on jingles.
You know the answer to your question, Jingles: Teammates with more than air between their ears!
this is probably the most well played battle i have ever seen in wot.
I saw this on his UA-cam.. still watch it coz jinges is doing commentery
"At some point you have to ask yourself. What does it take to win in World of Warships" hehehehe
Awesome play by Flambass…!
Captain Evans reincarnated. Taffy 3 and the Johnston will never die!
That moment when you have more base XP than the second, third, and fourth-highest totals on your team combined.
Yeah. I watched this one as it happened. Flambass really let his nuts hang in this battle.
i'm going to be completely honest here.
If i was flambass in that match, i would've cried, while throwing my pc out of the 3th floor window.
And i'm a grown ass man.
Just like sailing broadside on to a battle, Japan received a paddling.
Technically he did spot those first Torpedoes a mile away even inside the smoke screen...
Just saw an advert i expect a reward for giving you that 1/4 pence from that advert
During WW II the U.S. put in service over 300+ Destroyers, 500+ Destroyer escorts, 10 Battleships, 15+ Fleet Carriers, 12+ Light Carriers, 112 Escort Carriers, 40+ Cruisers, 200+ Submarines, that's not including cargo ships, tankers, troop transports, and support ships. It is astonishing how many ships were built from 1942 to 1945.
Jingles, you should watch the Isoroku, its a 2011 film made on Admiral Yammamotu in Japan, he already predicted the exact same thing that you were mentioning in the beginning of the video...he knew that eventually..it was all going to come to a flaming bad end...but as samurai...you go down swinging....