I think the main reason Ralsei is sealing the other fountains but not his own is not only to keep the balance, but also to protect the other darkners. If Ralsei’s fountain is made of pure darkness, that may mean that he is compatible with any dark world, but it definitely explains why the other darkners from chapter 1 and 2 are able to live there. If he closed his own fountain and kept a different one open, darkners form other fountains would have nowhere to go when their fountain is sealed. Ralsei consistently asks you to recruit the darkners so he can give them a new home when their fountains are closed. Are his other actions misguided or even malicious… maybe, but I think he has a real reason to keep his fountain open.
No doubt there is a reason why he's the exception. Maybe it had something to do with his creation? Maybe the person who made the castle town dark world did so in a completely different way than the others. Maybe there are two different people making fountains and that's why Ralsei is so different. I think I might make a theory about Ralsei's exception in the future.
@@XDNighthawkXDI mean, we STILL don't know the EXACT origins of the Dark Fountain in the closet, or what even was inside before that, I think it's really soon to make assumsions like that.
Yeah I think something similar to this too. It's one thing to have one Dark Fountain spewing out "Pure Darkness" then many regular Dark Fountains possible causing an apocalyptic disaster. Ralsei probably wants Kris and Susie to move every Darkner they can to his Dark World, and when all is said and done, maybe they'll be forced to seal it up to maintain the balance between Light and Dark forever. Such an action would result in Ralsei's "death," but the payoff would be the balance restored, plus the storage closet gets transformed into this beautiful room with all the Darkners we managed to save turned inanimate. This could also explain why Ralsei may not want his Dark Fountain closed yet. If that happens then not only do different Darkners have no where else to go, but he won't be there to help Kris and Susie fulfill the prophecy, since his Dark Fountain stopped giving him a form.
@@XDNighthawkXD I was wondering if anybody thought about how the themeing of Dark Worlds occur. They're mostly based on their location and the stuff that resides within the room. Think about it this way. Creating a Dark World in a side closet where a bunch of board games are stored creates a board game focused Dark World, the Card Castle n all that. Creating a Dark World in the computer lab creates the Cyber World, and those from the board game focused world turn to stone because they don't fit the theme. So what's going on with Ralsei's world? The Castle Town? Why can all of the Darkners co-exist there. Well there's two possibly answers, one much more grounded and the other requiring larger assumptions. The grounded answer is that since its a supply closet, and since you can put ANYTHING in a supply closet. The theme is just... storing things. Storing darkners. The much more out there answer is that the Castle Town Dark Fountain isn't within the Supply Closet, but rather the Bunker. The themeing of a Bunker would be refuge, a place for those to go for safety when there is no other place to go, a place of refuge for Darkners when their dark fountains must be closed for the greater good of all.
@@XDNighthawkXDI think that the closet dark fountain comprises half off the balance between light and dark so if that dark fountain is sealed, maybe the world will still end but in a different way then the Roaring.
I don't think it was meant to be a rhethorical question, I think Ralsei wanted Lancer to answer to this question, but I agree that Ralsei knew/expected the answer to the question would be no
I thought the picture in the classroom was signed by Alvin cause it’s a picture of his father Gerson, who is dead, but used to be a teacher, hence it was his classroom. He was a historian, and a fantasy writer, and he has a hammer buried near his grave. There is a sharp end on a hammer so it very well could have been a weapon to open a dark fountain.
13:35 Alvin is actually probably middle-aged; 30 to 50 I want to say, or at least in turtle-years. Note that the picture is *signed* Alvin, meaning that's the one who drew it. Ignoring that, Toby Fox said during the fifth anniversary livestream outright that the picture was a drawing of Gerson Boom made very long ago by his son, Alvin.
Also worth noting is that Gerson was a teacher. So he put a picture drawn by his son in his classroom and because the town is so small, his classroom hasn't been used or cleaned out since he died.
I recently went back to chapter 2 and realized something interesting. Ralsei says he wants you to recruit darkners when in other dark worlds, but, _before_ any others are opened. Talking about going to other fountains, when as far as he knows, there's only his open right now... means that he knew that more fountains would open. That + the "I'll see you soon." line, really is eery. Like he knew that he'd _'see us soon'_ in the cyber world.
Holy crap I can't believe I never made that connection! You're so correct! He even says "As you bring back dark world denizens" Not "IF" , "AS". Really the only argument you could make would be that Ralsei is assuming more dark worlds will be opened because they never found out who opened the first one; but still that's pretty interesting. Good catch.
@@XDNighthawkXD oh that's nothing. I've sunk a lot of time into thinking about and making connections in Deltarune and Undertale, that, well.... when I tell them to people that say that they're crazy and out there. But when I explain how I get to a conclusion, there's TONS of evidence because I made sure it was sound. Thus making the evidence section a book length.
@@XDNighthawkXD I have some pretty good theories. Would you like to hear them? I should warn you though, that they can sometimes be really long to read, but if I get to the point and just say the theories, I sound as crazy as Jevil does. But there is a logic behind it.
I mean, there's no need to be cautious about whether or not Gaster is involved in the story of Deltarune in some way, because of the archived versions of Deltarune's website including both a quote from Entry 17 (which we easily know is spoken by- or at least related to- Gaster because the room name in Undertale is literally rm_gaster), AND a quote from the prophecy. This reveals that Gaster is both involved in the story, AND directly aware of the prophecy. It's only his involvement beyond that that we need be skeptical about.
Honestly, considering the buildup, the breadcrumbs and the hints at W.D. Gaster in all of Toby's Social media I have no Doubt that we will get answer's about who and what W.D. Gaster is. I really just wanted to play this theory on the safe side. Like I said anyone is free to link whatever they want to Gaster; but for me until I see/hear from Gaster in game I will hold off on judgement. Maybe the W.D. Gaster will be the friends we made along the way.
With all this hype around Gaster, imagine if at the end of chapter 7 he shows up, at the end of some big dungeon with a lot of build up to him being the final boss, you spent days grinding out all the secret bosses to unlock the hidden ending.. and he turns to you (the player) and says "it's pronounced Jaster" and just leaves. Credits roll.
Gaster is ABSOLUTELY the one talking to us in the beginning of the game. The evidence coming from the game files doesn't matter as Toby made it clear he's expecting us to datamine considering his "warnings" in Undertale that changed after people actually started datamining. Plus, if you want in game evidence there are his speech patterns that mirror Gaster, and there's literally Gaster's theme playing in the background. With all the evidence we have it's clear that W.D Gaster will be a part of this story. The garbage noise on the phone is also in-game evidence. The bunker's sound also being the entry 17 noise is in-game evidence. Traumatic recollection also contains Gaster's theme (The ost that plays after the hospital scene in the weird route). Gaster has a mark all over this game.
I think the part about Ralsei wanting subjects is because Susie was wondering where Lancer was, so he told Kris where to find them. Also, if Kris doesn't recruit them, then their dark fountains will be closed anyway and they will lose their form, so it could be out of kindness, giving them a haven where they can stay, when, under his interpretation, their homeland has to be destroyed.
4:01 i could be wrong, but my first thought was that ralsei wants all the other darkners to survive. if we seal ralsei’s fountain of pure darkness and just live in the board game world, then the cyber city people would all have to die once we sealed their fountain. but if we seal the other fountains and keep the pure darkness fountain open, then everyone can just come and live with us.
The reason Ralsei's Dark World is the one that has to stay open is because it can have inhabitants from all Dark Worlds living in it. If another Dark World is the one that stays, all the inhabitants from other Dark Worlds will turn to stone since its Dark Fountain is not made of pure darkness.
im pretty sure the drawing marked 'alvin' was signed _by_ alvin, as in he drew it when he was a kid, his dad gerson was a teacher at the school afterall
Ralsei being guilty but not complicit is the feeling that I've always had surrounding him, but I haven't had any ideas as to what the bigger picture is, so to see a detailed take on it was incredibly interesting to watch! The picture that you painted of Father Alvin was really captivating, and I'd be very intrigued to see how it plsys out if he is indeed the king. My main question after watching this video is, what happens if we don't spare enough Dark World denizens to shift the balance enough? How might Ralsei and Alvin react, and would the ultimate outcome of their plot actually change as a result? Or do you think the same fate would befall them no matter what?
That's a good question and something I've been thinking about. Something that I noticed is that even if you do snowgrave route in Chapter 2 Queen still comes to join you in castle town. Maybe if you choose to go snowgrave across the chapters then only the boss monsters of that chapter make it out. Maybe at the end of a snowgrave playthrough Father Alvin tries to resurrect someone anyway and they don't come back all the way. Maybe they come back as some nightmarish version of themselves. That would be a really grizzly outcome fitting of a snowgrave playthrough. Anyway thanks for watching.
Ralsei's fountain is the only one that doesn't turn outside darkners to stone, it is also implied that there can only be one fountain to keep the balance of light and dark. Therefore the best course of action is sealing all other fountains and giving those darkners homes in Ralsei's dark world.
I believe the reason Ralsei is okay with Castletown's fountain staying open is because it's made of Pure Darkness, implying the ones opened by the Knight are not. So it's only natural he'd want to close the "artificial" fountains, or at least the ones created with ill intent, while keeping what seems to be the original one. (Aside from it being the only Dark World where foreign darkners can live.)
This is making me think of a sort of “Time Loop/ Reset/ Paradox” theory. Like, Ralsei’s whole goal is to stop the roaring at any cost, but then in him doing so is the only reason that the roaring is starting in the first place (like an oroborus). So I think that (especially If he knows about game mechanics, he would know about save files) any time the roaring happens, he (or us) restarts everything and tries again, but the very act of him trying again unknowingly softlocks him to always get the same ending (the roaring), so in order for *that* to get fixed, we’d have to get him to stop resetting *entirely*. (Kinda like how in ‘In Space with Markiplier’ we end up having to stop the engineer from going back in time in order to stop the loop) But if that is true, then that might mean we’d have to sacrifice the friendship we’ve made with Susie, since if we stop the paradox, that would mean that we would’ve never gone on those adventures, or even befriended Susie, having us start entirely on a new leaf. Meanwhile (this is connected to this), in the initial prophecy (I’ve noticed this for awhile now) *after* it talks about the roaring, it says that “*Only Then*, shining with hope, three heroes appear at worlds edge”, which I understand to mean that the roaring *is supposed to happen* in order for us to *truly* save the day, and we’d need the roaring to start in order for us to finally stop it. And yet Ralsei is making us close the fountains to prevent it at all costs? **Thats Weird.** Idk, these are just my thoughts and theories! Hope it makes sense!
13:45 Toby did directly confirm in the 6th anniversary livestream that Alvin drew the picture, and that the picture if of Gerson Sidenote but I personally think that that drawing is the Shadow Mantle, and the reason Seam lost it is that Kris left it behind
I believe in the theory that every "suspicious" thing ralsei knows and randomly spouts out was completely and comprehensibly outlined and explained in the tutorial book, and the reason why it feels so out of pocket is because neither Kris nor Susie have read it, while ralsei assumes that they have. And as for ralsei's odd moments, that's mostly because ralsei hasn't had a single friend for years and is not really good socially
While this idea is extremely interesting, I have a few problems with it. Namely: the religion of the Light World and its ideas of the Delta Rune and the Angel are most likely different to the Dark World prophecy. I feel like these two interpretations of these symbols are entirely different, similar to the different interpretations of the Undertale prophecy and the prehistoric lost meaning of the Delta Rune. If Alvin's religion and Ralsei's prophecy are one and the same, or at the very least contain the same elements, that would mean Alvin and by extension every believer in the Angel knows about Dark Worlds, Fountains, and the Roaring. However, this does not seem to be the case. We could make the argument that this wouldn't yield a reaction from Kris and Susie if it were the case, since Kris is very quiet and reserved and Susie is a bit clueless at times. But there's one Lightner that would 100% have knowledge of Alvin's religion and would react to Ralsei's prophecy, and that's *Noelle.* If Alvin's religion, at a base level, mentions Dark Worlds, Fountains, and the Roaring, Noelle would've reacted to Ralsei's mention of it near the end of Chapter 2 and sided with him against Berdly, nevermind reacting to and realizing that she's in a Dark World instead of accepting she's in a dream. Alvin might still have some knowledge of Dark Worlds, but that's highly speculatory and frankly baseless. We currently can tell for a fact, however, that the Light World religion has nothing to do with Dark Worlds, Fountains, or the Roaring. One last thing: I don't know what you mean when you say Alvin has to be really old? He really doesn't, in fact, he looks fairly young compared to how Gerson, his father, looked in Undertale. The drawing in the unused classroom is, to me, obviously drawn by him when he was studying under his father Gerson, who we know was a teacher at the school. It neatly parallels the stuff from Asriel and Kris' youth that appear in Toriel's classroom.
Nice theory but my main issue is that his plan revolves around sparing and recruiting darkners, which would mean your ending would change if you don’t recruit them and lose them, and its been confirmed that there is only 1 ending so I’m not sure it will work
Nighthawk, It's also worth note that the way Ralsei tells Kris to recruit enemies, makes it sound like its for a specific purpose. He says: (Kris, as you bring dark world denizens back here. . .) (the power of our fountain. . .) (Will transform this town more and more.) (From now on, the enemies we SPARE. . .) (Will be recruited to our town. ) (So let's keep SPARING enemies, okay?) This makes it sound like he wants the town to transform more and have more recruits, so therfore, they need to recruit/SPARE dark world denizens. Not the other way around, like, with saving them being the purpose.
I'm not convinced that Ralsei serves Father Alvin, but this did get me thinking... He names the town after the player, so maybe we're the king of castle town, and we just don't know it yet. It does seem like the kind of meta narrative that Toby might go for.
@@emeraldtheproducer9 Asgore brings his badly named dead child back to life (perhaps his daughter, since Ralsei resembles Toriel the most) as Ralsei and reigns on in the dark world as Roaring Knight. Kris uses a knife to create a dark world. Asgore can use a small shovel to create his dark world. Because Ralsei already existed and died in the light world, Queen (represting Toriel) and Noelle act and treat Ralsei like a dead person. Explaining why Queen tends to ignore Ralsei (Toriel wants to move on from them) and why Noelle saw nothing in Ralsei tea, because Noelle would view the original Ralsei as being absolutely absent in their lives in the light world. Perhaps the real reason why Kris dressed up to look like the Dreemurrs was because he was aware of Ralsei's death and how it played a role in his adoption. Thus, explaining Kris' interests in dark magic and its potential to bring a person, Ralsei, back from the dead. But Kris never expected for Asgore to be like him and actually succeed in this mission.
Alright, I can understand the temptation to believe that. However, there are a few issues with this form of the story. First, if Kris had another sibling, there'd still be some trace of them; an empty room, belongings to no one, or even mention of it in the picture on their fridge. Take it from me, it's hard to erase every trace of a person, even when trying, and I doubt Toriel would be the type to try, either. Second, Kris has another reason to try to look like the Dreemurrs, since they have a great distaste for humans. (Why that is is unclear, but that it is is known, thanks primarily to the interaction with the upstairs books in the librarby.) Thanks to Undyne, we also know that the dark world is not common knowledge, so it seems unlikely that Asgore would know about them, either. That said, Noelle disregards Ralsei primarily because he only shares a scene with Noelle when he also shares that scene with Susie, and instead reminds Noelle of Asriel, who has also been absent for a long time, but is (probably) not dead. Queen, on the other hand, disregards Ralsei most of the time instead because he's a darkner, and thus, irrelevant to her plans. Do you have a counterpoint?
@@emeraldtheproducer9 It's been several years and Asriel's original sibling would simply have Kris's bed. We don't have enough photos and history of the Dreemurrs in our hands, but Asgore and Alphys (who has Asgore's flowers) are super suspicious, with the latter clearly being involved with pushing your adventures in the first place. Alphys wouldn't send you to the Dark Worlds unless she knew about Ralsei's existence and how Ralsei could guide them throughout their adventures. "Queen, on the other hand, disregards Ralsei most of the time instead because he's a darkner, and thus, irrelevant to her plans. Do you have a counterpoint?" Queen locked up and attacked Darkners (Spamton included) and Lightners. Berdly is utterly irrelevant to her plans and she treats his presence seriously.
6:54 not really, while yes the heir to the throne taking regency did happen, it definitely didn't always happen, or even happen a majority of the time. What you seem to be talking about is a corulership situation, common and rome, and occasionally happening in some later monarchies like the Habsburg realms. The fundamental flaw with this argument is that it assumes an uncommon situation is in place with no indication to such instead of considering that the prince can also be the monarch. Its a bit strange with are contemporary understanding of princehood but the title of prince can be used as a fuedal landed title just like any other, examples being most of the holy roman empire states, and alot of indian states. The title originates from the latin word "princepts" or first citizen. Augustus, usally considered the first emperor if rome, actually used the title of prince instead of emperor, due to the civilian implication, as opposed to the decidedly martial implications of "imperator" or victorious general. So in short, if the roman empire can be ruled by a prince, then so can the kingdom of darkness.
9:02 Hold up now, that wouldn't be stealing if Toby came up with the idea beforehand. It's very likely that Toby came up with all the story events before Chapter 1 even released, so if Toby planned for this in the beginning, it's not stealing. Aside from that, great video 👍
Because also do you know who sucks at coming up with names? Asgore. I feel like Ralsei being an Anagram of the portmanteau of Asgore and Toriel might be relevant here as well somehow...
I think the picture on the abandoned clasroom may be gerson's photo because gerson was a teacher in that school. And I think that, on chapter 2 alvin was placing a hammer on his grave, so the hammer could be the thing that represent gerson on light world and get alive on dark world. (sorry for bad english)
A scene that sets off a lot of red flag alarms for people with Ralsei is the scene after Spamton Neo where he tries to pull the conversation away from Kris' reaction to the fight. Either by assuring Susie that Kris is fine if the Yes dialogue was chosen, or trying to distract/pacify Kris is the No dialogue was chosen(with his actions being highlighted more if you chose the option to hug Ralsei on the swan ride). While that scene is definitely suspicious(ඞ), i believe this scene is hinting more at his desire to ignore any serious problems. Regardless of how Ralsei was created(i have my own ideas on that), he is clearly connected to the Dreemurr family, and something consistently shown in both UT and DR is that the Dreemurr family really sucks at addressing problems and usually instead resort to ignoring them and hoping they go away. Asgore refusing to take the souls in UT to gather the rest, Toriel openly ignoring Asgore so far in DR, Asgore repeatedly giving Toriel flowers in an attempt to fix things even though he probably knows it won't work, and Asriel in UT refusing to acknowledge Chara's issues until it was too late. I genuinely believe that everything Ralsei does, he is doing what he thinks is best for Kris, Susie, and the world at large. But at times he isn't fully aware of how incorrect he is or how his actions inadvertently harm Kris
Biggest reason why I hope Father Alvin is not the creator of Ralsei is because of the creepy implications of how much Ralsei resembles a pre-teen version of Asriel. Sure, I've seen people say that it could be a younger version of Asgore and it could just be that Alvin needed Ralsei to resemble Asriel to gain Kris's trust. But how exactly did Alvin /do/ that? I'll be the first to admit that it could just be the number of stories on the news + my own personal experience that's informing my mistrust of Alvin. But if this theory is true and Alvin did create Ralsei... for folks who've watched JaruJaruJ's Ralsei theory... what if Alvin is the reason Asriel isnt coming home from college... Makes everything a whole lot darker.
The outskirts of Ralsei’s Dark World are unsettlingly bleak, quiet and creepy. With an eye symbol that can be seen on the beast with horns in the Roaring prophecy. Ralsei SAYS he’s a prince, yet he’s all alone in his world, no subjects, no servants, no other royal family members. We just take him at his word for some reason. He conveniently wants us to recruit followers from different worlds before sealing off those worlds forever, and have them populate his castle. He’s keeping LOTS of info and motives to himself, “…so that’s why, ok Kris?”, while also kinda gaslighting Kris and Susie about certain things. He’s absolutely raising an army, I’ve been thinking this since chapter 2 released.
OMG RALSEI IS SO ADORABLE IN THAT COMIC! And man it makes me sad that the original Ralsei looks pretty much gonna be dead, he looked so unique, cute, and mysterious like that!
Hear me out, the annoying dog could be pulling the strings. Here are my reasoning (the reasons why the dog is somewhat unusual) 1. The last person we see in the chapter 2 library is the dog. 2. The dog is one of the three only characters that look exactly the same for undertake and deltarune (the other 2 being sans and froggit) 3. The dog’s light world counterpart is unseen 4. The dog is the ONLY character that is seen in the dark world and the light world ( excluding main cast) 5. The bunker might belong to the dog. Look at the door in undertale, long pathway to door, in deltarune: long hallway to door.
12:35 But then how would the balance shift assuming the player doesn't spare any darkeners? "killing" them only increases stats and the dark world remains consistantly the same from the very beginning of chapter 2
Ralsei's "father" is Kris. Or rather Ralsei is the manifestation of Kris's desire to be a monster like their family. I'm firmly in the Kris is the knight camp and believe that Ralsei is working for Kris, not for Gaster.
Something I feel the need to address is that Father Alvin is the priest, "Father" is not part of his name but rather his title. Also Toby confirmed the picture to be a drawing Alvin made of his father, Gerson (see 3:18:36 in the UNDERTALE 6th anniversary livestream). and really why would you label an unframed picture taped to a cabinet?
1:40 I like that definition. though some people are sarcastic without changing their tone at all which my aunt coins snarcasm. as the reason for doing so is often to purposely deceive. so that when the respondent is confused they can ridicule them.
The alvin theory is cool. I think the prophecy can explain alot... what if he is intentionally bringing the light world into darkness so that the angel can appear... use the roaring so he can " see past the clouds into heaven" as spamton brought up in chapter 2. To use it to witness the reality of his religion, attempt to become a god like flowey, or to create one during the rumbling to support his faith (ralsei probably) is the question if this is true.
Ralsei knows Susie and Kris' names so I would assume they are the specific lightners from the prophecy. If this is the case... was it dumb luck that they were the ones to enter the closet dark world? What if Noelle went with Susie? All I remember is that Alphys sent Kris and Susie together. Alphys is the knight confirmed ? (lol jk but fr this is a unique and difficult mystery to unravel)
the reason I believe Ralsei is untrustworthy is the fact that darkeners(like him) don't have souls(due to being inanimate objects... which don't have souls) and we shouldn't trust soulless goat bois(did we learn nothing from Flowey?)
Wasn't Ralsei's fountain special? I remember something being mentioned about that at some point, and like lancer and roulx could exist in the closet dark world but in the computer lab they turn to stone, implying that darkners outside of their home dark world become petrified. So why don't they petrify in the closet dark world unless his fountain has some sort of special properties
You know this theory seems pretty plausiblle, but there's also ms. Boom probably alvins sister that works in the library, and wouldn't it would be really suprising if she was the knight, after all her brother is a priest, she could as well have knowledge about the angel and stuff plus she could have some other knowledge as an librarian
I wanna say this, I think it's a little overly cautious to completely disregard gaster theories until we see him in game. His theme is in the Gonermaker, he obviously talks to us there, etc. He is mysterious, but acting like his presence in Deltarune is speculative is ludicrous. The garbage noise, the bunker, the prophecy written IN WINGDINGS ON THE DELTARUNE WEBSITE. Spamton and Jevil were both driven insane by some outside force we can only assume to be Gaster. Why Gaster? He's the only entity we know of, apart from possibly Ralsei, who is aware on some level of the player's existence. He speaks directly to us on more than one occasion. His and Ralsei's apparent meta knowledge is a VERY solid link between them. To go FURTHER, maybe this is what Entry 17 means. It seems to be referring to a dark world (photon readings negative, darkness growing, etc.) and while I don't know if it's the same dark world that created Ralsei, Gaster, being VERY powerful (see stats), very knowledgeable, and one of three (Kris, Gaster and the Knight) characters known to create a dark world, it seems like Gaster is the only character we know of capable of creating a fountain of pure darkness. Does that make him Ralsei's dad, or the King? No clue lol. All I know is that there is ABSOLUTELY a connection between him and Ralsei. Now, I don't know about Alvin being the knight, Papyrus is also a really solid candidate. Alvin attempting to bring Gerson to life is a plausible idea. Anyway sorry for the essay.
More like "Ralsei could be guilty".... I can definitely agree Ralsei is a high suspicious character but we can't assume yet that he's not complicit either. I think your query "Is there a light fountain as well?" is rather interesting but other theorists have proposes the idea that darkness is "below us" and creating a dark fountain is more so creating a hole for darkness to pour upwards like smoke. These theories operate a lot on assumptions, based on information we don't have yet but the father Alvin being Ralseis "father" is quite interesting despite how unlikely it seems.
Maybe the reason that Ralsies dark fountain stays open is so that there is balance. Balance is not omission of one in favor of another. It is equality.
Great theory but I would like to clarify at 13:16 Religion in many cases actually does the opposite of this claim. At least in the case of serious Christianity and the other religions adjacent to it, provides both clarity of one's own problems and the hope in a higher power. It is the lack of understanding of these topics and the perversion of religious beliefs that lead people down dark paths (like any institution or activity i.e. the government, gaming, eating habits, etc.) And of course, not all religious beliefs are ordered to the truth, deviating away from what is good, but there are genuinely good reasons as to why people have placed their trust in God and their fellow men who live their lives believing in God (not just because, it feels good not to live in existential dread). But I will say Deltarune will probably once again go down the "religion is bad" track that most modern media sells these days, at least once we get to whatever Toby is cooking with Father Alvin and his connections to the Deltarune symbol. Anyways, waffling aside this was a pretty compelling theory Nighthawk!
Exactly! As a person who believes in God I feel sad so many people potray/believe us to be awful, terrbile people and hypocrites just because of actions of some fanatics, who are fanatics and not the representation of the majority
I do think Gaster is an integral factor to the structure of Deltarune, specifically the gameplay element being subverted in this game, as opposed to undertale. In Undertale, it's saving and loading. In Deltarune, it's controlling a protagonist. While Gaster's nature isn't fully revealed, he's shown to be involved in our connection to Kris, said connection being set up as an integral theme to the story we're unravelling.
Gaster's role in Deltarune makes more sense with the perspective that he is not an Undertale character, but rather his brief hints in that game are foreshadowing a future character in Deltarune. While yes, he has not been explicitly, directly shown, from the very premise of the game, to the secret bosses, their music, the crystal shards they drop (he was shattered across time and space- also wasn't that where the prophecy came from too?), even the track that plays outside the bunker, Gaster's involvement is not in question here. He's baked in as integral to the premise and concept being deconstructed in this game
Remembering the structure of this game, and how Toby deconstructs game elements in a meta way is important in understanding Deltarune. The 'angel' the town worships is most likely us. Banishing the Angel's Heaven therefore would naturally coincide with the end of the story, as a literal end to the story, but also for us as an end to the game we're playing. Spamton wants the soul to ascend to 'our' level, past the game world and achieve an impossible 'freedom'. Jevil recognises the nature of the game world and is insane as a result. They both have links to gaster, understand aspects of their existence as video game characters, and Kris reacts strongly to Spamton's 'puppet' theme because they themselves are aware of their connection to us, the player. Spamton seemingly creates this connection, thereby the game itself from our perspective. He 'fell in to his creation', which we can now theorise to be a dark world. We can also link this to Des' disappearance, and the spooky dialogue in the game code.
this whole theory aside, something about your voice keeps making me think of that Sam'o'nella youtuber and I can't un-hear it. My comment aside, great theory!
I don’t really agree with the “oooo ralsei is evil and they are going to fight us in chapter 6 or something!!!!” Argument. But I feel like they don’t really know that much, ya he knows about the roaring and the legend, but still that doesn’t mean that they are that wise. Like hell maybe it was just past down to ralsei from whoever ruled the castle before them, that could be a logical explanation. I don’t think ralsei is gonna be quote on quote “BAD GUY!!!” In the future, I just think he is trying his best to act wise even though in reality they are not really… well, wise.
Something somewhat eerie about Ralsei is that in chapter 2, he has all of the kings from the other dark world imprisoned. could be seen as some sort of power play
Now you mentioned the comic... I think it's Asriel who made Ralsei... a final goodbye gift. We know Kris did have a save file in ??? ch1, so ghey were there before. The Roaring may have came from the split of Asriel from Kris. Abandoned by their last true friend.
I actually want to deny your theory of Alvin being the knight here 11:48, since Kris n Asriel used to play together and must likely go into dark worlds (Asriel had a room in Queen's Mansion.)
I have one problem with your take about Refusing to take evidence from twitter or games files when the game is meta is imo a bad idea. And even without the meta thing, a lot of canon info’s could be hidden into files or posts. There is no reason at all to ignore them.
I like this theory a lot and agree we shouldn’t assume everything’s Gaster, but there’s one giant problem with it. The fun gang opposes the angel’s Heaven, which Father Alvin would want as a worshipper of the Angel. Beyond that, Asriel is the Prince of Darkness (one of Lucifer’s titles.) and Kris is called “Light Bringer” by the king, which is another title of the king of hell himself. Why would the very religious priest that scolds Kris for not going to church be the creator of the advisory of his religion? Why wouldn’t he say “oh the roaring is good and you should do everything possible to achieve it!” Once again, great theory, I think Alvin just isn’t the right candidate.
A Prince can very well be the ruler of a small nation. A single castle with a small population? That sounds like a Princedom to me. I don't think there is a king.
also weird connection, doubt it is important but flowey also refers to himself as "the prince of this worlds future" or something like that (I don't remember of the top of my head) instead of refering to himself as a "king" much like ralsei. I don't think this is anything important, it's probably just a coincidence. I just wanted to point this out since it came to my mind.
I get what you mean gaster may not have any influence on the game at all as as andrew cunning ham called it the "gaster gold rush". I personally think that gaster like any good horror monster knows not to show you it's face. meaning that not only is it not like gaster to just announce himself it's also narratively "bad" both from a mystery and horror genre perspective. gaster is never in "the game" he's always in the "meta game". his involvement in undertale was very small and from the perspective of a playing though undertale he was largely unimportant and even underwhelming. that's because that's not the point he's not there to be found or add anything interesting to a narrative he's there to not be there what he brings to undertale at least what I think he beings is thematic world building and mystery. in undertale there are still mysteries to solve that don't have to do with gaster at all. but knowing that he's there makes the player reflect on their game experience mostly why sans has a huge habit of saying non-sequiturs. knowing toby fox's influences I think not only gaster is inspired by uboa (hope I spelled that right) but also dr.andonuts possibly mixed with giygas. all these points I've made may seem very sporadic and tangenty but there is a method to the madness. the point I'm trying to make here is that gaster is the man not there, the story not told, the reason not explained, and the puzzle not finished. gaster's purpose I think is not only to keep the player guessing but also to keep the story open ended to encourage such disscussion and theories so that the player always want's to eat more "gold fish".
2:25 that's really interesting cause it makes ralsei sound beyond passive into indoctrinated. with the assumption that being subservient to the lightners makes darkners happy. and the way ralsei and lancer talk about it makes it seem like ralsei thinks and feels that helping lightners is the only way for darkners to feel happy. further evidenced by his repeated message of missing kris and susie and him saying that he's been lonely before kris and susie arrived. if you want to go off the rails did ralsei meet lightners before kris and susie is that why he believes so strongly in his role as a darkner? is that why he is known as the lonely prince when you first meet him?
youve got some good points but i think youre missing something really obvious in the motives: ralseis dark world is the only one where ALL darkners can live, maybe he just .. cares about people and wants them to live?? i think there is a LOT more evidence for that than only a selfish motive like having subjects (which he does still definitely want but its not the main reason). however an argument could easily be made that this is a mission given to him by someone, to collect as many darkners as possible in his own dark world for… preservation? thats the only thing i can think of but im not sure
i think the whole sparing thing is purely out of kindness myself personally tbh- them being added to his kingdom is one-an added bonus and two-if they return to being an objects that is essentially no different from killing them; you get rid of their life. by bringing them into the kingdom, they now have life; Ralsei's kingdom is what keeps them alive essentially and in regards to the bossiness part-i myself have been more bossy than this; and i have seen countless people more bossy, harsh, rude, tyrannical by many, many times in comparison to Ralsei; Ralsei is barely close to bossy within the kingdom, he obviously is new to the whole ruling others thing and barely knowing what he is doing seeming a bit confused and hesitant and just trying to do what's best
Y’know I never thought of that, if Ralsei is the prince from the dark, who is the king and queen from the dark? You can’t have a prince or princess without having their parents and surely he must have parents otherwise he would be the king from the dark. It is really weird. It is like how Princess Peach is a princess despite never seeing a king or queen in the mushroom kingdom.
@@milesmcallister8542 Very very uncommon but I like your way of thinking. Ralsei must still have parents though because he looks like the same age as Kris judging by his height and what Asriel looked like in Undertale and might look like in Deltarune. Ralsei has ought to be one of the strangest characters in Deltarune because he has absolutely no relatives somehow and if he did, he would have mentioned them however he states to be a “lonely” prince but everyone has parents, did Ralsei just appear out of thin air? Well maybe because that is how the dark worlds are created but for example, Lancer has a dad, King. And it’s not like King having a son is a strange concept to Darkners because they talk about it like it is a normal occurrence probably meaning all darkners have parents. Evidence for the cyber world too, Spamton going on about [Hoochie Mama]. So how is Ralsei a lonely prince then? Maybe his parents abandoned him because they were too scared of helping to stop the end of the world so they dumped all that responsibility on Ralsei.
@@joewilliams-un8vu it could be gasters fault that ralsei knows a lot of things and is alone, maybe in some attempt to make ralsei either insane by the loneliness or by the maddening knowledge, but ralsei simply resisted it.
@@chongwillson972 Potentially. It seems a bit meta but it is possible considering Gaster’s experiment could have been Deltarune. And then Gaster fell into Deltarune shattering himself across time and space because he isn’t in Undertale anymore, he is in his creation, Deltarune.
I’d say kris the one controlling kris is guilty. It could be WD Gaster who is guilty. Gaster could be using Kris to make these dark worlds to bring him back to the Undertale universe. Back to his sons. He could also want to end the human race. He has that power looking at his stats. He is stronger than asriel in almost every aspect. He may just want to take revenge on the humans for what they did.
Gaster is probably manipulating Father Alvin. Giving him forbidden knowledge. And Father Alvin created Ralsei to misdirect the heroes into causing the Roaring. Why? Because During the Roaring, fantasy and reality crash together. Meaning literally anything can happen. Including bringing the dead back to life. Father Alvin wants to cause the Roaring to resurrect his father Gerson. But when it finally happens, it won't end the way anyone else thinks.
The prince of darkness is also the same title that lucifer has, which if you know anything about lucifer, he appears to be a good guy but is a betrayer and a deceiver. And the whole angel prophecy is biblical in a sense.
Holy crap I never made that connection! Lucifer becomes Satan. Satanism is an occult practice. Kris and Catti studied the occult together. Making a dark fountain requires you to plunge a sharp weapon into the ground very similar to a satanic ritual just without a sacrifice. I am going to have ALOT to talk about in my next Ralsei video.
@@XDNighthawkXD what's even funnier is that in the bible lucifers actions are what sows the seed of sin in humanity (Adam and eve) which ultimately leads them onto a downward spiral of self righteousness pride and ultimately will lead the world into destruction according to Christianity, which tbh to me sounds an awful lot like how the roaring is stated to cause.
One other thing I've realized is ralsei doesn't seem too upset that new dark worlds are opening unless it's someone else who wants to open them like queen. So I do agree with the theory that the thing that's disrupting the balance really is the empowerment of one dark fountain. Plus ralsei is really acting more *prideful* in chapter 2 now that he has subjects. So my question is... is the weird route a route where we might be able to kill darkners... one where theoretically no one will enter castle town aside from the chapter one darkners will be the good ending, being another twist because if you think about it. If we do what ralsei doesn't want us to do, we won't be bringing more subjects and causing the castle town dark fountain to have more power
@@daltonharmon1018 ralsei doesn't turn to stone because that's not a hardline rule, darkeners MAY turn to stone if they don't fit in. and the OG starwalker doesn't turn to stone either. if I had to guess why that is, it's probably to stop a big potential plot hole, of why susie and kris not bringing an army to every darkworld. and snowgrave doesn't stop darkeners from going to castle town.
7:55 Nighthawk, the voice at the beginning of the game here is basically confirmed to be Gaster. If you deny that, you might honestly just be really dense, or stupid potentially.
there's only gonna be one ending to deltarune no matter what. the entire game was built around the ending in toby's fever dream. it's possible it could have different interpretations depending on what you'e done, but a good or bad ending isn't really something that's going to happen
No matter if Ralsei is "guilty' or not, Berdly is better than Ralsei. Berdly is an incredibly loyal and friendly character. He’s one of the few characters who is a friendly rival towards Kris. He’s also one of the only characters who has a character arc in Deltarune. Plus, he’s very relatable to many gamers. So, yeah, Berdly is better than Ralsei. Ralsei is kind of boring. He just kind of… follows you around and doesn’t really have any character development. Sure, some people find him to be cute and cuddly, and that’s fine, but he doesn’t really bring that much to the table. He’s just kind of… there. Berdly is much more interesting and relatable.
i think it's unfair to listen to ideas and then shove away a character because they are deemed boring, only to glorify another one like they are the only one that matters. we still don't even know what ralsei brings to the table, and i personally enjoy the mystery surrounding him as that tends to be common with the goat-like characters toby fox makes: gritty, serious, a stark contrast to the goofy characters that occupancy the rest of the game. something i'd imagine ralsei will go through later. in fact, i'd even argue that having character development so early and swiftly would mean that character is dispensible, but again, this is an unfinished game and we don't have the full story. Maybe berdly will have even more to bring to the table in later chapters.
??? If Father Alvin created Ralsei, how do you explain Ralsei's obvious psychological ties to Kris? Like, it's almost like Ralsei was created to psychologically complement Kris in a way. He outright mirrors the past ideal self-image of younger Kris, and also possibly the Dreemurr family's ideal image of a son. He turns from a black to a white goat at the end of Chapter 1, just like Kris presumably wants to stop being seen as the metaphorical "black sheep" of the Dreemurr family. etc. Thematically speaking, it would be *really* weird for Ralsei to be Father Alvin's creation. That would only make sense if you wanted to imply some deeper connection between Father Alvin and Kris, which I *really* hope isn't true. Every possible version of this that I can imagine is just bad. ...I gather from this that you subscribe to the Alvin = Knight theory. Now I haven't _quite_ settled on Knight = Kris myself, but by now, I am quite convinced that there needs to be _some_ deeper connection between the Knight and Kris, and I don't see how the Alvin = Knight theories account for that at all.
13:28 man not gonna lie, the moment you began sounding as if you're bashing those of faith, i got a lil uneasy n didnt wanna finish. But youre entitled to say n feel how you feel. Youre theroy seems okay... id disagree with father alvin and the religion plot doh because in my opinion the last thing i wanna see toby fox do is create yet another rpg that pegs people's religion as an evil force that plotting world domination or destruction. Id rather they stick to the idea of Dess missing, or Kris struggle with the player soul, or confronting gaster. Father alvin just iut there trying to be his best self. Besides...Alvin buried his dad's hammer with him, and seems more interested in getting kris to sing in the choir lol
I've got one of those how-is-nobody-else-noticing-this things about Ralsei myself. The legend he recounts when you first meet him talks about an old dark fountain and a new one which destabilizes things. But we then go and close the original fountain, not the new one! Here's the relevant bit of the legend: Today, the FOUNTAIN OF DARKNESS- The geyser that gives this land form- Stands tall at the center of the kingdom. But recently, another fountain has appeared on the horizon... And with it, the balance of LIGHT and DARK begins to shift... If nothing else, one has to consider that it doesn't make any sense logistically for there to have been a dark world in the supply closet. Literally the first people to go into it would notice! Meanwhile a dark world could have easily existed in the abandoned classroom for years, by the look of it. My current theory is that someone - conceivably Kris, but we don't know enough to really speculate right now - went into the school the night before Deltarune opens, created the dark world in the supply closet, stole the chalk from the classroom, and put it somewhere Suzie would find it. They did so specifically to ensure Kris and Suzie went into the dark world.
Hey so I just double checked my audio on UA-cam 100% through two different recording software and both displayed an audio level signal averaging in the yellow and peaking just under the red which is actually the audio level that is ideal. I also listened to the whole video again on UA-cam at 30% volume and I could hear myself just fine. Maybe your system audio is low? Maybe your speakers are dying I'm not sure why your having this problem. Either way thanks for watching.
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I think the main reason Ralsei is sealing the other fountains but not his own is not only to keep the balance, but also to protect the other darkners. If Ralsei’s fountain is made of pure darkness, that may mean that he is compatible with any dark world, but it definitely explains why the other darkners from chapter 1 and 2 are able to live there. If he closed his own fountain and kept a different one open, darkners form other fountains would have nowhere to go when their fountain is sealed. Ralsei consistently asks you to recruit the darkners so he can give them a new home when their fountains are closed. Are his other actions misguided or even malicious… maybe, but I think he has a real reason to keep his fountain open.
No doubt there is a reason why he's the exception. Maybe it had something to do with his creation?
Maybe the person who made the castle town dark world did so in a completely different way than the others.
Maybe there are two different people making fountains and that's why Ralsei is so different. I think I might make a theory about Ralsei's exception in the future.
@@XDNighthawkXDI mean, we STILL don't know the EXACT origins of the Dark Fountain in the closet, or what even was inside before that, I think it's really soon to make assumsions like that.
Yeah I think something similar to this too. It's one thing to have one Dark Fountain spewing out "Pure Darkness" then many regular Dark Fountains possible causing an apocalyptic disaster. Ralsei probably wants Kris and Susie to move every Darkner they can to his Dark World, and when all is said and done, maybe they'll be forced to seal it up to maintain the balance between Light and Dark forever. Such an action would result in Ralsei's "death," but the payoff would be the balance restored, plus the storage closet gets transformed into this beautiful room with all the Darkners we managed to save turned inanimate.
This could also explain why Ralsei may not want his Dark Fountain closed yet. If that happens then not only do different Darkners have no where else to go, but he won't be there to help Kris and Susie fulfill the prophecy, since his Dark Fountain stopped giving him a form.
@@XDNighthawkXD I was wondering if anybody thought about how the themeing of Dark Worlds occur.
They're mostly based on their location and the stuff that resides within the room. Think about it this way.
Creating a Dark World in a side closet where a bunch of board games are stored creates a board game focused Dark World, the Card Castle n all that.
Creating a Dark World in the computer lab creates the Cyber World, and those from the board game focused world turn to stone because they don't fit the theme.
So what's going on with Ralsei's world? The Castle Town? Why can all of the Darkners co-exist there. Well there's two possibly answers, one much more grounded and the other requiring larger assumptions.
The grounded answer is that since its a supply closet, and since you can put ANYTHING in a supply closet. The theme is just... storing things. Storing darkners.
The much more out there answer is that the Castle Town Dark Fountain isn't within the Supply Closet, but rather the Bunker. The themeing of a Bunker would be refuge, a place for those to go for safety when there is no other place to go, a place of refuge for Darkners when their dark fountains must be closed for the greater good of all.
@@XDNighthawkXDI think that the closet dark fountain comprises half off the balance between light and dark so if that dark fountain is sealed, maybe the world will still end but in a different way then the Roaring.
"Does your dad seem happy?" is clearly a rhethorical question, implying Ralsei thinks that Lancer's dad must be unhappy if he hates lightners.
I don't think it was meant to be a rhethorical question, I think Ralsei wanted Lancer to answer to this question, but I agree that Ralsei knew/expected the answer to the question would be no
I thought the picture in the classroom was signed by Alvin cause it’s a picture of his father Gerson, who is dead, but used to be a teacher, hence it was his classroom. He was a historian, and a fantasy writer, and he has a hammer buried near his grave. There is a sharp end on a hammer so it very well could have been a weapon to open a dark fountain.
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Alvin is actually probably middle-aged; 30 to 50 I want to say, or at least in turtle-years. Note that the picture is *signed* Alvin, meaning that's the one who drew it.
Ignoring that, Toby Fox said during the fifth anniversary livestream outright that the picture was a drawing of Gerson Boom made very long ago by his son, Alvin.
Also worth noting is that Gerson was a teacher. So he put a picture drawn by his son in his classroom and because the town is so small, his classroom hasn't been used or cleaned out since he died.
I recently went back to chapter 2 and realized something interesting. Ralsei says he wants you to recruit darkners when in other dark worlds, but, _before_ any others are opened. Talking about going to other fountains, when as far as he knows, there's only his open right now... means that he knew that more fountains would open. That + the "I'll see you soon." line, really is eery. Like he knew that he'd _'see us soon'_ in the cyber world.
Holy crap I can't believe I never made that connection! You're so correct! He even says "As you bring back dark world denizens" Not "IF" , "AS".
Really the only argument you could make would be that Ralsei is assuming more dark worlds will be opened because they never found out who opened the first one; but still that's pretty interesting.
Good catch.
@@XDNighthawkXD oh that's nothing. I've sunk a lot of time into thinking about and making connections in Deltarune and Undertale, that, well.... when I tell them to people that say that they're crazy and out there. But when I explain how I get to a conclusion, there's TONS of evidence because I made sure it was sound. Thus making the evidence section a book length.
@@XDNighthawkXD I have some pretty good theories. Would you like to hear them? I should warn you though, that they can sometimes be really long to read, but if I get to the point and just say the theories, I sound as crazy as Jevil does. But there is a logic behind it.
@@lorrainebrunner2490yes please, proceed. (Sorry if I'm too late)
@@lorrainebrunner2490spill your theories pleaseee
I mean, there's no need to be cautious about whether or not Gaster is involved in the story of Deltarune in some way, because of the archived versions of Deltarune's website including both a quote from Entry 17 (which we easily know is spoken by- or at least related to- Gaster because the room name in Undertale is literally rm_gaster), AND a quote from the prophecy. This reveals that Gaster is both involved in the story, AND directly aware of the prophecy. It's only his involvement beyond that that we need be skeptical about.
Honestly, considering the buildup, the breadcrumbs and the hints at W.D. Gaster in all of Toby's Social media I have no Doubt that we will get answer's about who and what W.D. Gaster is.
I really just wanted to play this theory on the safe side. Like I said anyone is free to link whatever they want to Gaster; but for me until I see/hear from Gaster in game I will hold off on judgement.
Maybe the W.D. Gaster will be the friends we made along the way.
Gaster is probably just observing our behavior and taking notes; he _is_ a scientist.
@@XDNighthawkXD i mean its confirmed that he has SOMETHING to do with the secret bosses esspecialy spamton
With all this hype around Gaster, imagine if at the end of chapter 7 he shows up, at the end of some big dungeon with a lot of build up to him being the final boss, you spent days grinding out all the secret bosses to unlock the hidden ending.. and he turns to you (the player) and says "it's pronounced Jaster" and just leaves. Credits roll.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Gaster is ABSOLUTELY the one talking to us in the beginning of the game. The evidence coming from the game files doesn't matter as Toby made it clear he's expecting us to datamine considering his "warnings" in Undertale that changed after people actually started datamining. Plus, if you want in game evidence there are his speech patterns that mirror Gaster, and there's literally Gaster's theme playing in the background.
With all the evidence we have it's clear that W.D Gaster will be a part of this story. The garbage noise on the phone is also in-game evidence. The bunker's sound also being the entry 17 noise is in-game evidence. Traumatic recollection also contains Gaster's theme (The ost that plays after the hospital scene in the weird route). Gaster has a mark all over this game.
Gaster also takes over the twitter account like how Flowey did when Undertale was new
I think the part about Ralsei wanting subjects is because Susie was wondering where Lancer was, so he told Kris where to find them. Also, if Kris doesn't recruit them, then their dark fountains will be closed anyway and they will lose their form, so it could be out of kindness, giving them a haven where they can stay, when, under his interpretation, their homeland has to be destroyed.
4:01 i could be wrong, but my first thought was that ralsei wants all the other darkners to survive. if we seal ralsei’s fountain of pure darkness and just live in the board game world, then the cyber city people would all have to die once we sealed their fountain. but if we seal the other fountains and keep the pure darkness fountain open, then everyone can just come and live with us.
The reason Ralsei's Dark World is the one that has to stay open is because it can have inhabitants from all Dark Worlds living in it. If another Dark World is the one that stays, all the inhabitants from other Dark Worlds will turn to stone since its Dark Fountain is not made of pure darkness.
(Ralsei being the sweetest and nicest character)
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im pretty sure the drawing marked 'alvin' was signed _by_ alvin, as in he drew it when he was a kid, his dad gerson was a teacher at the school afterall
Ralsei being guilty but not complicit is the feeling that I've always had surrounding him, but I haven't had any ideas as to what the bigger picture is, so to see a detailed take on it was incredibly interesting to watch! The picture that you painted of Father Alvin was really captivating, and I'd be very intrigued to see how it plsys out if he is indeed the king.
My main question after watching this video is, what happens if we don't spare enough Dark World denizens to shift the balance enough? How might Ralsei and Alvin react, and would the ultimate outcome of their plot actually change as a result? Or do you think the same fate would befall them no matter what?
That's a good question and something I've been thinking about.
Something that I noticed is that even if you do snowgrave route in Chapter 2 Queen still comes to join you in castle town. Maybe if you choose to go snowgrave across the chapters then only the boss monsters of that chapter make it out.
Maybe at the end of a snowgrave playthrough Father Alvin tries to resurrect someone anyway and they don't come back all the way. Maybe they come back as some nightmarish version of themselves.
That would be a really grizzly outcome fitting of a snowgrave playthrough.
Anyway thanks for watching.
2:23 I always thought of it as Ralsei asking this Lancer knowing that he's going to respond with "no"
Ralsei's fountain is the only one that doesn't turn outside darkners to stone, it is also implied that there can only be one fountain to keep the balance of light and dark. Therefore the best course of action is sealing all other fountains and giving those darkners homes in Ralsei's dark world.
I believe the reason Ralsei is okay with Castletown's fountain staying open is because it's made of Pure Darkness, implying the ones opened by the Knight are not. So it's only natural he'd want to close the "artificial" fountains, or at least the ones created with ill intent, while keeping what seems to be the original one.
(Aside from it being the only Dark World where foreign darkners can live.)
Why is the audio so quiet? It’s about half what it should be.
This is making me think of a sort of “Time Loop/ Reset/ Paradox” theory.
Like, Ralsei’s whole goal is to stop the roaring at any cost, but then in him doing so is the only reason that the roaring is starting in the first place (like an oroborus).
So I think that (especially If he knows about game mechanics, he would know about save files) any time the roaring happens, he (or us) restarts everything and tries again, but the very act of him trying again unknowingly softlocks him to always get the same ending (the roaring), so in order for *that* to get fixed, we’d have to get him to stop resetting *entirely*.
(Kinda like how in ‘In Space with Markiplier’ we end up having to stop the engineer from going back in time in order to stop the loop)
But if that is true, then that might mean we’d have to sacrifice the friendship we’ve made with Susie, since if we stop the paradox, that would mean that we would’ve never gone on those adventures, or even befriended Susie, having us start entirely on a new leaf.
Meanwhile (this is connected to this), in the initial prophecy (I’ve noticed this for awhile now) *after* it talks about the roaring, it says that “*Only Then*, shining with hope, three heroes appear at worlds edge”, which I understand to mean that the roaring *is supposed to happen* in order for us to *truly* save the day, and we’d need the roaring to start in order for us to finally stop it.
And yet Ralsei is making us close the fountains to prevent it at all costs? **Thats Weird.**
Idk, these are just my thoughts and theories! Hope it makes sense!
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to be fair no one takes him seriously or even acknowledge him, so him nicely asking would just be ignored.
13:45 Toby did directly confirm in the 6th anniversary livestream that Alvin drew the picture, and that the picture if of Gerson
Sidenote but I personally think that that drawing is the Shadow Mantle, and the reason Seam lost it is that Kris left it behind
Father Alvin may be the Knight and is trying to bring about the Roaring to bring his father back.
Good theory
And Ralsei being misled is extremely believable!!
I believe in the theory that every "suspicious" thing ralsei knows and randomly spouts out was completely and comprehensibly outlined and explained in the tutorial book, and the reason why it feels so out of pocket is because neither Kris nor Susie have read it, while ralsei assumes that they have. And as for ralsei's odd moments, that's mostly because ralsei hasn't had a single friend for years and is not really good socially
While this idea is extremely interesting, I have a few problems with it.
Namely: the religion of the Light World and its ideas of the Delta Rune and the Angel are most likely different to the Dark World prophecy.
I feel like these two interpretations of these symbols are entirely different, similar to the different interpretations of the Undertale prophecy and the prehistoric lost meaning of the Delta Rune.
If Alvin's religion and Ralsei's prophecy are one and the same, or at the very least contain the same elements, that would mean Alvin and by extension every believer in the Angel knows about Dark Worlds, Fountains, and the Roaring. However, this does not seem to be the case.
We could make the argument that this wouldn't yield a reaction from Kris and Susie if it were the case, since Kris is very quiet and reserved and Susie is a bit clueless at times. But there's one Lightner that would 100% have knowledge of Alvin's religion and would react to Ralsei's prophecy, and that's *Noelle.*
If Alvin's religion, at a base level, mentions Dark Worlds, Fountains, and the Roaring, Noelle would've reacted to Ralsei's mention of it near the end of Chapter 2 and sided with him against Berdly, nevermind reacting to and realizing that she's in a Dark World instead of accepting she's in a dream.
Alvin might still have some knowledge of Dark Worlds, but that's highly speculatory and frankly baseless. We currently can tell for a fact, however, that the Light World religion has nothing to do with Dark Worlds, Fountains, or the Roaring.
One last thing: I don't know what you mean when you say Alvin has to be really old? He really doesn't, in fact, he looks fairly young compared to how Gerson, his father, looked in Undertale. The drawing in the unused classroom is, to me, obviously drawn by him when he was studying under his father Gerson, who we know was a teacher at the school. It neatly parallels the stuff from Asriel and Kris' youth that appear in Toriel's classroom.
These are great points, all I would add is that they misspeak and refer to Kris as him throughout the video despite that having no basis in the game
Nice theory but my main issue is that his plan revolves around sparing and recruiting darkners, which would mean your ending would change if you don’t recruit them and lose them, and its been confirmed that there is only 1 ending so I’m not sure it will work
Nighthawk, It's also worth note that the way Ralsei tells Kris to recruit enemies, makes it sound like its for a specific purpose.
He says:
(Kris, as you bring dark world denizens back here. . .)
(the power of our fountain. . .)
(Will transform this town more and more.)
(From now on, the enemies we SPARE. . .)
(Will be recruited to our town. )
(So let's keep SPARING enemies, okay?)
This makes it sound like he wants the town to transform more and have more recruits, so therfore, they need to recruit/SPARE dark world denizens. Not the other way around, like, with saving them being the purpose.
I'm not convinced that Ralsei serves Father Alvin, but this did get me thinking... He names the town after the player, so maybe we're the king of castle town, and we just don't know it yet. It does seem like the kind of meta narrative that Toby might go for.
Or Ralsei sees Kris as their eldest sibling.
While these aren't mutually exclusive ideas, I'm not really sure where you're coming from with that. Care to elaborate?
@@emeraldtheproducer9 Asgore brings his badly named dead child back to life (perhaps his daughter, since Ralsei resembles Toriel the most) as Ralsei and reigns on in the dark world as Roaring Knight. Kris uses a knife to create a dark world. Asgore can use a small shovel to create his dark world.
Because Ralsei already existed and died in the light world, Queen (represting Toriel) and Noelle act and treat Ralsei like a dead person. Explaining why Queen tends to ignore Ralsei (Toriel wants to move on from them) and why Noelle saw nothing in Ralsei tea, because Noelle would view the original Ralsei as being absolutely absent in their lives in the light world.
Perhaps the real reason why Kris dressed up to look like the Dreemurrs was because he was aware of Ralsei's death and how it played a role in his adoption. Thus, explaining Kris' interests in dark magic and its potential to bring a person, Ralsei, back from the dead. But Kris never expected for Asgore to be like him and actually succeed in this mission.
Alright, I can understand the temptation to believe that. However, there are a few issues with this form of the story. First, if Kris had another sibling, there'd still be some trace of them; an empty room, belongings to no one, or even mention of it in the picture on their fridge. Take it from me, it's hard to erase every trace of a person, even when trying, and I doubt Toriel would be the type to try, either. Second, Kris has another reason to try to look like the Dreemurrs, since they have a great distaste for humans. (Why that is is unclear, but that it is is known, thanks primarily to the interaction with the upstairs books in the librarby.) Thanks to Undyne, we also know that the dark world is not common knowledge, so it seems unlikely that Asgore would know about them, either. That said, Noelle disregards Ralsei primarily because he only shares a scene with Noelle when he also shares that scene with Susie, and instead reminds Noelle of Asriel, who has also been absent for a long time, but is (probably) not dead. Queen, on the other hand, disregards Ralsei most of the time instead because he's a darkner, and thus, irrelevant to her plans. Do you have a counterpoint?
@@emeraldtheproducer9 It's been several years and Asriel's original sibling would simply have Kris's bed. We don't have enough photos and history of the Dreemurrs in our hands, but Asgore and Alphys (who has Asgore's flowers) are super suspicious, with the latter clearly being involved with pushing your adventures in the first place. Alphys wouldn't send you to the Dark Worlds unless she knew about Ralsei's existence and how Ralsei could guide them throughout their adventures.
"Queen, on the other hand, disregards Ralsei most of the time instead because he's a darkner, and thus, irrelevant to her plans. Do you have a counterpoint?"
Queen locked up and attacked Darkners (Spamton included) and Lightners. Berdly is utterly irrelevant to her plans and she treats his presence seriously.
6:54 not really, while yes the heir to the throne taking regency did happen, it definitely didn't always happen, or even happen a majority of the time. What you seem to be talking about is a corulership situation, common and rome, and occasionally happening in some later monarchies like the Habsburg realms. The fundamental flaw with this argument is that it assumes an uncommon situation is in place with no indication to such instead of considering that the prince can also be the monarch. Its a bit strange with are contemporary understanding of princehood but the title of prince can be used as a fuedal landed title just like any other, examples being most of the holy roman empire states, and alot of indian states. The title originates from the latin word "princepts" or first citizen. Augustus, usally considered the first emperor if rome, actually used the title of prince instead of emperor, due to the civilian implication, as opposed to the decidedly martial implications of "imperator" or victorious general. So in short, if the roman empire can be ruled by a prince, then so can the kingdom of darkness.
i trust Ralsei with my entire being and i will not elaborate
4:14
because his is the ONLY one which can support any darkeners, making it the best to leave open.
9:02 Hold up now, that wouldn't be stealing if Toby came up with the idea beforehand. It's very likely that Toby came up with all the story events before Chapter 1 even released, so if Toby planned for this in the beginning, it's not stealing. Aside from that, great video 👍
14:04 wait I just realized Alvin isn’t even in Undertale
Dude oh my god in that case maybe Father Alvin based Ralsei off young Asgore THEY BOTH HAVE A HUG SCENE...
Because also do you know who sucks at coming up with names? Asgore. I feel like Ralsei being an Anagram of the portmanteau of Asgore and Toriel might be relevant here as well somehow...
I think the picture on the abandoned clasroom may be gerson's photo because gerson was a teacher in that school.
And I think that, on chapter 2 alvin was placing a hammer on his grave, so the hammer could be the thing that represent gerson on light world and get alive on dark world. (sorry for bad english)
I CAN'T HEAR YOU BROTHER
A scene that sets off a lot of red flag alarms for people with Ralsei is the scene after Spamton Neo where he tries to pull the conversation away from Kris' reaction to the fight. Either by assuring Susie that Kris is fine if the Yes dialogue was chosen, or trying to distract/pacify Kris is the No dialogue was chosen(with his actions being highlighted more if you chose the option to hug Ralsei on the swan ride).
While that scene is definitely suspicious(ඞ), i believe this scene is hinting more at his desire to ignore any serious problems.
Regardless of how Ralsei was created(i have my own ideas on that), he is clearly connected to the Dreemurr family, and something consistently shown in both UT and DR is that the Dreemurr family really sucks at addressing problems and usually instead resort to ignoring them and hoping they go away.
Asgore refusing to take the souls in UT to gather the rest, Toriel openly ignoring Asgore so far in DR, Asgore repeatedly giving Toriel flowers in an attempt to fix things even though he probably knows it won't work, and Asriel in UT refusing to acknowledge Chara's issues until it was too late.
I genuinely believe that everything Ralsei does, he is doing what he thinks is best for Kris, Susie, and the world at large. But at times he isn't fully aware of how incorrect he is or how his actions inadvertently harm Kris
Biggest reason why I hope Father Alvin is not the creator of Ralsei is because of the creepy implications of how much Ralsei resembles a pre-teen version of Asriel. Sure, I've seen people say that it could be a younger version of Asgore and it could just be that Alvin needed Ralsei to resemble Asriel to gain Kris's trust. But how exactly did Alvin /do/ that? I'll be the first to admit that it could just be the number of stories on the news + my own personal experience that's informing my mistrust of Alvin. But if this theory is true and Alvin did create Ralsei... for folks who've watched JaruJaruJ's Ralsei theory... what if Alvin is the reason Asriel isnt coming home from college...
Makes everything a whole lot darker.
I think if Asriel we're touched and violated at a young age he'd crack and speak out about it by now
11:06 that belongs to gerson. Alvin's father
U know I was always wondering who the king was. Since he said he is the PRINCE.
The outskirts of Ralsei’s Dark World are unsettlingly bleak, quiet and creepy. With an eye symbol that can be seen on the beast with horns in the Roaring prophecy.
Ralsei SAYS he’s a prince, yet he’s all alone in his world, no subjects, no servants, no other royal family members. We just take him at his word for some reason.
He conveniently wants us to recruit followers from different worlds before sealing off those worlds forever, and have them populate his castle.
He’s keeping LOTS of info and motives to himself, “…so that’s why, ok Kris?”, while also kinda gaslighting Kris and Susie about certain things.
He’s absolutely raising an army, I’ve been thinking this since chapter 2 released.
5:42
*They
As a religious person, you spoke the truth here. We can ask God for help but we gotta work on our problems too
OMG RALSEI IS SO ADORABLE IN THAT COMIC! And man it makes me sad that the original Ralsei looks pretty much gonna be dead, he looked so unique, cute, and mysterious like that!
Hear me out, the annoying dog could be pulling the strings. Here are my reasoning (the reasons why the dog is somewhat unusual)
1. The last person we see in the chapter 2 library is the dog.
2. The dog is one of the three only characters that look exactly the same for undertake and deltarune (the other 2 being sans and froggit)
3. The dog’s light world counterpart is unseen
4. The dog is the ONLY character that is seen in the dark world and the light world ( excluding main cast)
5. The bunker might belong to the dog. Look at the door in undertale, long pathway to door, in deltarune: long hallway to door.
I mean, it is Toby's in-game representation so it's technically correct
@@TheSoulCalledZuzia yeah, I mean toby DID made the dark fountains if you think about it
12:35 But then how would the balance shift assuming the player doesn't spare any darkeners?
"killing" them only increases stats and the dark world remains consistantly the same from the very beginning of chapter 2
I think it was stated that alvin drew that picture, and it was a picture of gerson, because gerson was a teacher and is also a father of alvins.
Ralsei's "father" is Kris. Or rather Ralsei is the manifestation of Kris's desire to be a monster like their family.
I'm firmly in the Kris is the knight camp and believe that Ralsei is working for Kris, not for Gaster.
I’m suddenly reminded how in Twin Runes Chara resurrects themselves by possessing Frisk’s/Chara’s hear locket in the dark world
Something I feel the need to address is that Father Alvin is the priest, "Father" is not part of his name but rather his title.
Also Toby confirmed the picture to be a drawing Alvin made of his father, Gerson (see 3:18:36 in the UNDERTALE 6th anniversary livestream). and really why would you label an unframed picture taped to a cabinet?
1:40 I like that definition. though some people are sarcastic without changing their tone at all which my aunt coins snarcasm. as the reason for doing so is often to purposely deceive. so that when the respondent is confused they can ridicule them.
The alvin theory is cool. I think the prophecy can explain alot... what if he is intentionally bringing the light world into darkness so that the angel can appear... use the roaring so he can " see past the clouds into heaven" as spamton brought up in chapter 2. To use it to witness the reality of his religion, attempt to become a god like flowey, or to create one during the rumbling to support his faith (ralsei probably) is the question if this is true.
Ralsei knows Susie and Kris' names so I would assume they are the specific lightners from the prophecy. If this is the case... was it dumb luck that they were the ones to enter the closet dark world? What if Noelle went with Susie? All I remember is that Alphys sent Kris and Susie together. Alphys is the knight confirmed ? (lol jk but fr this is a unique and difficult mystery to unravel)
the reason I believe Ralsei is untrustworthy is the fact that darkeners(like him) don't have souls(due to being inanimate objects... which don't have souls) and we shouldn't trust soulless goat bois(did we learn nothing from Flowey?)
Could you imagine Asriel being The King Of Darkness? That would be CRAAAAAAZY L0L
Wasn't Ralsei's fountain special? I remember something being mentioned about that at some point, and like lancer and roulx could exist in the closet dark world but in the computer lab they turn to stone, implying that darkners outside of their home dark world become petrified. So why don't they petrify in the closet dark world unless his fountain has some sort of special properties
You know this theory seems pretty plausiblle, but there's also ms. Boom probably alvins sister that works in the library, and wouldn't it would be really suprising if she was the knight, after all her brother is a priest, she could as well have knowledge about the angel and stuff plus she could have some other knowledge as an librarian
Every Father Alvin theory makes me feel terrorized I can’t understand you
I wanna say this, I think it's a little overly cautious to completely disregard gaster theories until we see him in game. His theme is in the Gonermaker, he obviously talks to us there, etc. He is mysterious, but acting like his presence in Deltarune is speculative is ludicrous. The garbage noise, the bunker, the prophecy written IN WINGDINGS ON THE DELTARUNE WEBSITE. Spamton and Jevil were both driven insane by some outside force we can only assume to be Gaster. Why Gaster? He's the only entity we know of, apart from possibly Ralsei, who is aware on some level of the player's existence. He speaks directly to us on more than one occasion. His and Ralsei's apparent meta knowledge is a VERY solid link between them. To go FURTHER, maybe this is what Entry 17 means. It seems to be referring to a dark world (photon readings negative, darkness growing, etc.) and while I don't know if it's the same dark world that created Ralsei, Gaster, being VERY powerful (see stats), very knowledgeable, and one of three (Kris, Gaster and the Knight) characters known to create a dark world, it seems like Gaster is the only character we know of capable of creating a fountain of pure darkness. Does that make him Ralsei's dad, or the King? No clue lol. All I know is that there is ABSOLUTELY a connection between him and Ralsei. Now, I don't know about Alvin being the knight, Papyrus is also a really solid candidate. Alvin attempting to bring Gerson to life is a plausible idea. Anyway sorry for the essay.
The direction of Ralsei's horns dont match between his portrait image and his sprite. thats def the most sus thing aboout him
Lore of Ralsei is Guilty; but NOT Complicit. (Deltarune Theory/Discussion) momentum 100
More like "Ralsei could be guilty".... I can definitely agree Ralsei is a high suspicious character but we can't assume yet that he's not complicit either. I think your query "Is there a light fountain as well?" is rather interesting but other theorists have proposes the idea that darkness is "below us" and creating a dark fountain is more so creating a hole for darkness to pour upwards like smoke. These theories operate a lot on assumptions, based on information we don't have yet but the father Alvin being Ralseis "father" is quite interesting despite how unlikely it seems.
Maybe the reason that Ralsies dark fountain stays open is so that there is balance. Balance is not omission of one in favor of another. It is equality.
Lancer is the true third hero
Great theory but I would like to clarify at 13:16 Religion in many cases actually does the opposite of this claim. At least in the case of serious Christianity and the other religions adjacent to it, provides both clarity of one's own problems and the hope in a higher power. It is the lack of understanding of these topics and the perversion of religious beliefs that lead people down dark paths (like any institution or activity i.e. the government, gaming, eating habits, etc.) And of course, not all religious beliefs are ordered to the truth, deviating away from what is good, but there are genuinely good reasons as to why people have placed their trust in God and their fellow men who live their lives believing in God (not just because, it feels good not to live in existential dread).
But I will say Deltarune will probably once again go down the "religion is bad" track that most modern media sells these days, at least once we get to whatever Toby is cooking with Father Alvin and his connections to the Deltarune symbol. Anyways, waffling aside this was a pretty compelling theory Nighthawk!
Exactly! As a person who believes in God I feel sad so many people potray/believe us to be awful, terrbile people and hypocrites just because of actions of some fanatics, who are fanatics and not the representation of the majority
mhm@@TheSoulCalledZuzia
What if the light fountain is literally just the sun?
I do think Gaster is an integral factor to the structure of Deltarune, specifically the gameplay element being subverted in this game, as opposed to undertale.
In Undertale, it's saving and loading. In Deltarune, it's controlling a protagonist. While Gaster's nature isn't fully revealed, he's shown to be involved in our connection to Kris, said connection being set up as an integral theme to the story we're unravelling.
Gaster's role in Deltarune makes more sense with the perspective that he is not an Undertale character, but rather his brief hints in that game are foreshadowing a future character in Deltarune. While yes, he has not been explicitly, directly shown, from the very premise of the game, to the secret bosses, their music, the crystal shards they drop (he was shattered across time and space- also wasn't that where the prophecy came from too?), even the track that plays outside the bunker, Gaster's involvement is not in question here. He's baked in as integral to the premise and concept being deconstructed in this game
Remembering the structure of this game, and how Toby deconstructs game elements in a meta way is important in understanding Deltarune.
The 'angel' the town worships is most likely us. Banishing the Angel's Heaven therefore would naturally coincide with the end of the story, as a literal end to the story, but also for us as an end to the game we're playing. Spamton wants the soul to ascend to 'our' level, past the game world and achieve an impossible 'freedom'. Jevil recognises the nature of the game world and is insane as a result. They both have links to gaster, understand aspects of their existence as video game characters, and Kris reacts strongly to Spamton's 'puppet' theme because they themselves are aware of their connection to us, the player.
Spamton seemingly creates this connection, thereby the game itself from our perspective. He 'fell in to his creation', which we can now theorise to be a dark world. We can also link this to Des' disappearance, and the spooky dialogue in the game code.
this whole theory aside, something about your voice keeps making me think of that Sam'o'nella youtuber and I can't un-hear it. My comment aside, great theory!
2:56
this is not much as it seems because the puzzle guys know about what kris ,susie and kris spells and names, and also how they behave.
@therandomguyhi
though it might be ralsei is that spread out power or knowledge into one darkener, makes sense since he is the prince.
I don’t really agree with the “oooo ralsei is evil and they are going to fight us in chapter 6 or something!!!!” Argument. But I feel like they don’t really know that much, ya he knows about the roaring and the legend, but still that doesn’t mean that they are that wise. Like hell maybe it was just past down to ralsei from whoever ruled the castle before them, that could be a logical explanation. I don’t think ralsei is gonna be quote on quote “BAD GUY!!!” In the future, I just think he is trying his best to act wise even though in reality they are not really… well, wise.
Something somewhat eerie about Ralsei is that in chapter 2, he has all of the kings from the other dark world imprisoned. could be seen as some sort of power play
Now you mentioned the comic... I think it's Asriel who made Ralsei... a final goodbye gift. We know Kris did have a save file in ??? ch1, so ghey were there before. The Roaring may have came from the split of Asriel from Kris. Abandoned by their last true friend.
I actually want to deny your theory of Alvin being the knight here 11:48, since Kris n Asriel used to play together and must likely go into dark worlds (Asriel had a room in Queen's Mansion.)
I doubt that alvin were involved with spamton and jevil.
I have one problem with your take about Refusing to take evidence from twitter or games files when the game is meta is imo a bad idea.
And even without the meta thing, a lot of canon info’s could be hidden into files or posts. There is no reason at all to ignore them.
4:10 where is this dialogue from?
Ralsei's dad is Gaesro ofc
I like this theory a lot and agree we shouldn’t assume everything’s Gaster, but there’s one giant problem with it. The fun gang opposes the angel’s Heaven, which Father Alvin would want as a worshipper of the Angel. Beyond that, Asriel is the Prince of Darkness (one of Lucifer’s titles.) and Kris is called “Light Bringer” by the king, which is another title of the king of hell himself. Why would the very religious priest that scolds Kris for not going to church be the creator of the advisory of his religion? Why wouldn’t he say “oh the roaring is good and you should do everything possible to achieve it!”
Once again, great theory, I think Alvin just isn’t the right candidate.
A Prince can very well be the ruler of a small nation. A single castle with a small population? That sounds like a Princedom to me. I don't think there is a king.
this is literally the chara situation all over again
also weird connection, doubt it is important but flowey also refers to himself as "the prince of this worlds future" or something like that (I don't remember of the top of my head) instead of refering to himself as a "king" much like ralsei. I don't think this is anything important, it's probably just a coincidence. I just wanted to point this out since it came to my mind.
I get what you mean gaster may not have any influence on the game at all as as andrew cunning ham called it the "gaster gold rush". I personally think that gaster like any good horror monster knows not to show you it's face. meaning that not only is it not like gaster to just announce himself it's also narratively "bad" both from a mystery and horror genre perspective. gaster is never in "the game" he's always in the "meta game". his involvement in undertale was very small and from the perspective of a playing though undertale he was largely unimportant and even underwhelming. that's because that's not the point he's not there to be found or add anything interesting to a narrative he's there to not be there what he brings to undertale at least what I think he beings is thematic world building and mystery. in undertale there are still mysteries to solve that don't have to do with gaster at all. but knowing that he's there makes the player reflect on their game experience mostly why sans has a huge habit of saying non-sequiturs. knowing toby fox's influences I think not only gaster is inspired by uboa (hope I spelled that right) but also dr.andonuts possibly mixed with giygas. all these points I've made may seem very sporadic and tangenty but there is a method to the madness. the point I'm trying to make here is that gaster is the man not there, the story not told, the reason not explained, and the puzzle not finished. gaster's purpose I think is not only to keep the player guessing but also to keep the story open ended to encourage such disscussion and theories so that the player always want's to eat more "gold fish".
2:25 that's really interesting cause it makes ralsei sound beyond passive into indoctrinated. with the assumption that being subservient to the lightners makes darkners happy. and the way ralsei and lancer talk about it makes it seem like ralsei thinks and feels that helping lightners is the only way for darkners to feel happy. further evidenced by his repeated message of missing kris and susie and him saying that he's been lonely before kris and susie arrived. if you want to go off the rails did ralsei meet lightners before kris and susie is that why he believes so strongly in his role as a darkner? is that why he is known as the lonely prince when you first meet him?
youve got some good points but i think youre missing something really obvious in the motives: ralseis dark world is the only one where ALL darkners can live, maybe he just .. cares about people and wants them to live?? i think there is a LOT more evidence for that than only a selfish motive like having subjects (which he does still definitely want but its not the main reason).
however an argument could easily be made that this is a mission given to him by someone, to collect as many darkners as possible in his own dark world for… preservation?
thats the only thing i can think of but im not sure
i think the whole sparing thing is purely out of kindness myself personally tbh- them being added to his kingdom is one-an added bonus and two-if they return to being an objects that is essentially no different from killing them; you get rid of their life. by bringing them into the kingdom, they now have life; Ralsei's kingdom is what keeps them alive essentially
and in regards to the bossiness part-i myself have been more bossy than this; and i have seen countless people more bossy, harsh, rude, tyrannical by many, many times in comparison to Ralsei; Ralsei is barely close to bossy within the kingdom, he obviously is new to the whole ruling others thing and barely knowing what he is doing seeming a bit confused and hesitant and just trying to do what's best
There's another possibility as to who the "king"/ruler Ralsei sees himself under is...after all, who's name does he put on the castle town?
Y’know I never thought of that, if Ralsei is the prince from the dark, who is the king and queen from the dark? You can’t have a prince or princess without having their parents and surely he must have parents otherwise he would be the king from the dark. It is really weird. It is like how Princess Peach is a princess despite never seeing a king or queen in the mushroom kingdom.
Principalities:
@@milesmcallister8542 Very very uncommon but I like your way of thinking. Ralsei must still have parents though because he looks like the same age as Kris judging by his height and what Asriel looked like in Undertale and might look like in Deltarune. Ralsei has ought to be one of the strangest characters in Deltarune because he has absolutely no relatives somehow and if he did, he would have mentioned them however he states to be a “lonely” prince but everyone has parents, did Ralsei just appear out of thin air?
Well maybe because that is how the dark worlds are created but for example, Lancer has a dad, King. And it’s not like King having a son is a strange concept to Darkners because they talk about it like it is a normal occurrence probably meaning all darkners have parents. Evidence for the cyber world too, Spamton going on about [Hoochie Mama].
So how is Ralsei a lonely prince then? Maybe his parents abandoned him because they were too scared of helping to stop the end of the world so they dumped all that responsibility on Ralsei.
@@joewilliams-un8vu
it could be gasters fault that ralsei knows a lot of things and is alone, maybe in some attempt to make ralsei either insane by the loneliness or by the maddening knowledge, but ralsei simply resisted it.
@@chongwillson972 Potentially. It seems a bit meta but it is possible considering Gaster’s experiment could have been Deltarune. And then Gaster fell into Deltarune shattering himself across time and space because he isn’t in Undertale anymore, he is in his creation, Deltarune.
The real Prince has been revealed in the Legend on the very first screen. He's Lancer. Only the ruler can represent his people.
I wonder if Father Alvin is trying to use Noelle in some way to bring back his dad...?
I’d say kris the one controlling kris is guilty. It could be WD Gaster who is guilty. Gaster could be using Kris to make these dark worlds to bring him back to the Undertale universe. Back to his sons. He could also want to end the human race. He has that power looking at his stats. He is stronger than asriel in almost every aspect. He may just want to take revenge on the humans for what they did.
Gaster is probably manipulating Father Alvin. Giving him forbidden knowledge.
And Father Alvin created Ralsei to misdirect the heroes into causing the Roaring.
Why? Because
During the Roaring, fantasy and reality crash together.
Meaning literally anything can happen. Including bringing the dead back to life.
Father Alvin wants to cause the Roaring to resurrect his father Gerson.
But when it finally happens, it won't end the way anyone else thinks.
How come I haven't seen any theories about why ralsei is fine in other dark worlds but Lancer and roulx arent?
The prince of darkness is also the same title that lucifer has, which if you know anything about lucifer, he appears to be a good guy but is a betrayer and a deceiver. And the whole angel prophecy is biblical in a sense.
Holy crap I never made that connection!
Lucifer becomes Satan.
Satanism is an occult practice.
Kris and Catti studied the occult together.
Making a dark fountain requires you to plunge a sharp weapon into the ground very similar to a satanic ritual just without a sacrifice.
I am going to have ALOT to talk about in my next Ralsei video.
@@XDNighthawkXD what's even funnier is that in the bible lucifers actions are what sows the seed of sin in humanity (Adam and eve) which ultimately leads them onto a downward spiral of self righteousness pride and ultimately will lead the world into destruction according to Christianity, which tbh to me sounds an awful lot like how the roaring is stated to cause.
One other thing I've realized is ralsei doesn't seem too upset that new dark worlds are opening unless it's someone else who wants to open them like queen. So I do agree with the theory that the thing that's disrupting the balance really is the empowerment of one dark fountain. Plus ralsei is really acting more *prideful* in chapter 2 now that he has subjects. So my question is... is the weird route a route where we might be able to kill darkners... one where theoretically no one will enter castle town aside from the chapter one darkners will be the good ending, being another twist because if you think about it. If we do what ralsei doesn't want us to do, we won't be bringing more subjects and causing the castle town dark fountain to have more power
@@daltonharmon1018
ralsei doesn't turn to stone because that's not a hardline rule, darkeners MAY turn to stone if they don't fit in.
and the OG starwalker doesn't turn to stone either.
if I had to guess why that is, it's probably to stop a big potential plot hole, of why susie and kris not bringing an army to every darkworld.
and snowgrave doesn't stop darkeners from going to castle town.
If that theory is true then Noelle is definitely going to try and do some shady shit to bring Dess back. Or even try and make Rudy better.
7:55 Nighthawk, the voice at the beginning of the game here is basically confirmed to be Gaster. If you deny that, you might honestly just be really dense, or stupid potentially.
genocide end is good ending??
there's only gonna be one ending to deltarune no matter what. the entire game was built around the ending in toby's fever dream. it's possible it could have different interpretations depending on what you'e done, but a good or bad ending isn't really something that's going to happen
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No matter if Ralsei is "guilty' or not, Berdly is better than Ralsei. Berdly is an incredibly loyal and friendly character. He’s one of the few characters who is a friendly rival towards Kris. He’s also one of the only characters who has a character arc in Deltarune. Plus, he’s very relatable to many gamers. So, yeah, Berdly is better than Ralsei. Ralsei is kind of boring. He just kind of… follows you around and doesn’t really have any character development. Sure, some people find him to be cute and cuddly, and that’s fine, but he doesn’t really bring that much to the table. He’s just kind of… there. Berdly is much more interesting and relatable.
i think it's unfair to listen to ideas and then shove away a character because they are deemed boring, only to glorify another one like they are the only one that matters. we still don't even know what ralsei brings to the table, and i personally enjoy the mystery surrounding him as that tends to be common with the goat-like characters toby fox makes: gritty, serious, a stark contrast to the goofy characters that occupancy the rest of the game. something i'd imagine ralsei will go through later.
in fact, i'd even argue that having character development so early and swiftly would mean that character is dispensible, but again, this is an unfinished game and we don't have the full story. Maybe berdly will have even more to bring to the table in later chapters.
@@aidenoconner2742I'm pretty sure the other person was joking, considering their username and profile pic.
@@aidenoconner2742bro responded to a joke essay with an actual essay
@@definitelynotascammer I uhh.. wasn't joking.
@@dementor3333 I'm not, but okay?
??? If Father Alvin created Ralsei, how do you explain Ralsei's obvious psychological ties to Kris? Like, it's almost like Ralsei was created to psychologically complement Kris in a way. He outright mirrors the past ideal self-image of younger Kris, and also possibly the Dreemurr family's ideal image of a son. He turns from a black to a white goat at the end of Chapter 1, just like Kris presumably wants to stop being seen as the metaphorical "black sheep" of the Dreemurr family. etc. Thematically speaking, it would be *really* weird for Ralsei to be Father Alvin's creation. That would only make sense if you wanted to imply some deeper connection between Father Alvin and Kris, which I *really* hope isn't true. Every possible version of this that I can imagine is just bad.
...I gather from this that you subscribe to the Alvin = Knight theory. Now I haven't _quite_ settled on Knight = Kris myself, but by now, I am quite convinced that there needs to be _some_ deeper connection between the Knight and Kris, and I don't see how the Alvin = Knight theories account for that at all.
Your videos are interesting, but its hard to hear you even with headphones at max volume.
Very nice video! You come up with very good theory's, I love listening to them. Thanks for making video's buddy! Have a good day.
13:28 man not gonna lie, the moment you began sounding as if you're bashing those of faith, i got a lil uneasy n didnt wanna finish. But youre entitled to say n feel how you feel. Youre theroy seems okay... id disagree with father alvin and the religion plot doh because in my opinion the last thing i wanna see toby fox do is create yet another rpg that pegs people's religion as an evil force that plotting world domination or destruction. Id rather they stick to the idea of Dess missing, or Kris struggle with the player soul, or confronting gaster. Father alvin just iut there trying to be his best self. Besides...Alvin buried his dad's hammer with him, and seems more interested in getting kris to sing in the choir lol
I've got one of those how-is-nobody-else-noticing-this things about Ralsei myself. The legend he recounts when you first meet him talks about an old dark fountain and a new one which destabilizes things. But we then go and close the original fountain, not the new one! Here's the relevant bit of the legend:
Today, the FOUNTAIN OF DARKNESS-
The geyser that gives this land form-
Stands tall at the center of the kingdom.
But recently, another fountain has appeared on the horizon...
And with it, the balance of LIGHT and DARK begins to shift...
If nothing else, one has to consider that it doesn't make any sense logistically for there to have been a dark world in the supply closet. Literally the first people to go into it would notice! Meanwhile a dark world could have easily existed in the abandoned classroom for years, by the look of it.
My current theory is that someone - conceivably Kris, but we don't know enough to really speculate right now - went into the school the night before Deltarune opens, created the dark world in the supply closet, stole the chalk from the classroom, and put it somewhere Suzie would find it. They did so specifically to ensure Kris and Suzie went into the dark world.
When did this happen
man could you SPEAK UP I'M 100% ON VOLUME AND STILL CANT HEAR SHIT
turn on closed captions (or buy headphones). dont be disrespectful.
@@AlphaPizzadog criticism isn't disrespectful. A content creator gotta make good content, that includes proper audio levels
@@crozel7262 true, but he could have reframed from using crass language.
Hey so I just double checked my audio on UA-cam 100% through two different recording software and both displayed an audio level signal averaging in the yellow and peaking just under the red which is actually the audio level that is ideal. I also listened to the whole video again on UA-cam at 30% volume and I could hear myself just fine. Maybe your system audio is low? Maybe your speakers are dying I'm not sure why your having this problem.
Either way thanks for watching.
Dangerously based video
The thumbnail has a typo its "knight" not "king"