stability is more of a necessity thing than a preference thing. I work at a running shoe store currently and the only people who really need stability are people with moderate to severe pronation. If someone who doesn’t pronate runs in a high stability shoe it can actually make them unstable. Hope this helped some people
i like altras take on stability. i think the zero drop paired with stability is great for people trying to work on their form, as well as new runners and runners new to zero drop. i run in the altra provision 3 right now.
Great post! I'm a 70 y/o casual runner and now do about 12 miles a week. I've worn Hoka Bondis for years, but now find the need for a little more toe box room. I wear an 11 D. I tried the Wide Bondis, but too much heel slip[. I'm 135# and generally use Sof Sole FIT Neutral inserts. I also have custom orthotics. So, I guess you could say that I tend toward a neutral shoe with lots of cushioning, like the Bondis. I've also worn stability shoes with no ill effects - then again, I don't hit it very hard and don't do many 5Ks these days. And yes, all of the shoe marketers urge to go up 1/2 size (I'm close to a true 10.5). I tried a pair of Torin 4 Plushes, and the 11s were about 1/4" too long. Otherwise, they felt roomy enough, but maybe with a little less cushioning than the Bondis. I'm thinking of trying the Paradigms, but in a 10.5. They're not much heavier than the Bondis I'm accustomed to.
I would say I am a neutral shoe person but will wear a light stability shoe. I bought these shoes and had most of the same issues seth had except for sizing. Yes they are very heavy for a daily trainer and had the same problem with lockdown. So I swapped the altra"s for a pair of Hoka arahi 3 and have had zero issues with them.
Just ordered some of the Paradigm 4.0's on sale, that will be my first stability shoe. Bought it to have something with more cushion for when my feet needs a little extra pampering. I'm curious why you don't like highly cushioned shoes for long runs? I thought that was when they made most sense? I know that's when I've missed a little extra cushion.
Neutral - my feet slightly over pronate, but correcting that puts my knees out of alignment and causes issues there. Never had trouble with neutral though - raises the point of taking gait advice with a pinch of salt as a shop looking solely at my feet would say I need stability!
Used to be stability but now neutral the trails made my ankles stronger and now I don't have to relay on a stability shoe Thank you Seth you are the best !!!!
Stability , but I want to add kind of stable neutral shoes... Man, you nailed this review, I have these exact shoes, they run really big! Evem for altra's, ai run exclusively with altra, and the fit in mine is strange. Totally agree with the heal lockdown, very loose... but I love the midsole and insole, so for me your review is exactly what I would say about these shoes. I've done 100km in mine as of yesterday
I use both. I have a moderate pronation and an achilles tendon problem since I was 18 (i'm 39 now, at 18 my left tendon ruptured while I was doing 1k intervals, I got surgery but it never got 100% good again). I use neutrals, that at the same time provide good protection in the rear, for races & interval training. The stability shoes for easy/normal/tempo runs. For the long runs I alternate between the two types. Right now I own the following shoes: asics gt2000 (stability heavy and sweaty, but very comfortable shoes), nike zoom pegazus 35 (light and comfortable, good protection in the rear), brooks ghost 11 (a bit heavy and spacy in the front, but my favs right now), a pair of cheap light weight neutral Kalenji's for easy low mileage runs. Greetings from Portugal!
I was told I need stability by a running shoe store and was running in stability shoes for some time. Made the switch to neutral and never looked back! So much better.
I have the Altra Paradigm 4 and feel it has it’s place in recovery runs and longer distance. The stability guild rail “stability shoe” might help out when I get tired and lazy in my gait cycle in the longer distance. (And I can’t forget it is a great shoe for the first few day’s after a big race, 50miler or 100k as casual ‘recovery’ walking shoe)
i wore kayanos forever, ran a marathon in them. ran barefoot a while and got my feet stronger. next pair i got hurt my knees. switched to nuetral shoes and all pains went away. i think the barefoot stuff helped my overpronation. i dont think anyone needs stability shoes if they can get some strong feet. just my opinion
Eric, did the same here, was in Kayanos, then to some barefooting which corrected my running form quite a bit. Could not go back to Kayanos after that and went to Altras with much better results. I do prefer neutral shoes and believe good running form does not need stability shoes.
I was ceded this shoe for free and I grab it pretty often. Probably 2 times a week. I went true to size and I think the length is perfect. I have a thumbnail width in LENGTH. I think do to it’s Footshape technology it tricks you into thinking it is bigger. At first I thought I was “swimming” too but by the end of runs I don’t notice anything. Really allows for natural toe splay.
Sadly the sizing issues apply to most Altras in my experience. I usually wear a 10 or 10.5 in Nike’s, new balances and other popular brands, but go all the way down to a 9.5 in every altra I’ve ever worn. I think it’s mostly to do with the foot-shape design being so different from other brands shape. Oh and also I’m a neutral shoe kinda guy through and through
stability.AsicsGel Kayano is my favorite but Paradigm is my choice for indoor running track. like the rails on paradigm. I have mortons nueromas in both feet and larger toe box is the answer for me
Weird sizing from Altra might be a factory issue. They're a young company with a weird product (Zero Drop and Footshape) so it seems plausible that a few models would get mislabeled by factories used to standard shoes.
Neutral because I don’t believe in stability shoes. I think you should only need stability shoes if you have severe over pronation. Not little to moderate pronation.
i went to road runner twice one at 2018 and again at 2019 and was told i needed a stability shoes. i tried but both times i got injured. i switched back to neutral and never had issues anymore
Both. I over-pronate a lot. However, most of my shoes are neutral. I believe in letting my muscles strengthen and do the work. That said, occasionally I like an easy day and that also translates to giving my ankles the day off. So, perhaps once a week I'll dig into the closet and pull out a light stability shoe. Nothing like a motion control, something lighter like a Brooks Ravenna. Also, they are classed as neutral but I also have the Nike Odyssey React and the Hoka Clifton and they both offer far more stability than many neutral shoes.
I've been running in Altras for several years sizing seems to always be inconsistent. I'm typically a 12. The Superior trail shoe I had to size up a full size. The new Duo I had to size down a half size. The Escalante runs big, but not big enough to drop a half size. Crazy inconsistency.
QD: i pronate but certain neutral shoes give me no issue (carbon x, but alas not the 4%). Re: paradigm, it's interesting your comments on fit (note this collar is a vast improvement over version 3.5). I am currently running in version 4.0, and i find the fit a bit sloppy and the shoe feels slightly short. Having said that, the ego midsole is great, soft without being squishy. Have no problem dropping speed to MP, even though i wouldn't run a marathon in them.
I don't get this. Both Altra and every store selling Altra say they run small and you have to go up 1/2 to one size from what you normally use. I have not ordered mine yet, but am I suddenly supposed to go down instead of up in size? I'm confused. I see you have tested Paradigm 4.5. I'm thinking of ordering Paradigm 4.0 (on sale). Does anybody know if Paradigm 4.5 are bigger in size than Paradigm 4.0? I really don't want to send back thousand pairs, so I hope to nail the size as close as possible (which now seems impossible since shops and Altra themselves write go up and you (and some of your commenters) say go down. What to do?
Started with light stability, but transitioned to neutral due a) philosophy of not having my feet adapt to having that stability "crutch" always being there b) lighter weight c) many more cool shoe options To be honest, I don't notice any negatives after the switch but I was probably not a huge pronator to start with. And I've actually shifted how I stand / walk / run due to being more conscious of lifting my arch off the ground.
I’m suppose to use a stability shoe. And I do during the off-season or during recovery runs. But during the season I like a neutral shoe because they tend to be lighter. When cross country season starts, I’ll be getting the new balance beacon.😊
How would you evaluate the new 5 vs previous 4.5? the 5 seem to have a wider plastic band at the forefoot, I'm afraid the big toe might hit it more than with the 4.5 which seemed more "meshy"? (I don't have a pair of 4.5, I'm weighing which version should I buy :) ) As for the size, I have a pair of Escalante 2 @9.5 which are perfect, but I had to return a new pair of Superior 4.5 always @9.5 because they're too tight and short (my toe is at 0,5cm from the front). What size would you suggest for the Paradigm 5? Thank you!
I've used stability shoes in the pasted, but I now believe these types of shoes have been the cause of my plantar fasciitis. Thinking of trying altra's
Ordered my first pair of Paradigm 4.5 August 23, 2019. The first time and each time thereafter that I ran in them, I kicked and gouged my ankle bones! The support and response is amazing, but I can't take the ankle kicking! Has anyone else had this problem? I went back to the Provision 3.5 until this problem is redesigned!
I find I kick my ancles at least once on each run in my Paradigm 4.0 and 4.5's I went half size up as like others I don't like my toes scrubbing the top of the shoes. I find I can lock them down too tight if I'm not careful and get pain in the top of my foot and big toe.
Seth, try the Ravenna 10. It's very different from the 9s. The 10s have the guiderails while the 9s do not. The 10s, like the paradigm, also doesn't feel like a stability shoe.
Started out with stability being told it was better for higher arches but slowly dropping my drop (not all my runs but prefering neutral lower drop) and wearing neutral now. Very into the barefoot type shoes right now on the hunt for my next pair tough work on a tight budget though even off ebay. Would love to try some altra's maybe one day!
I'm not a stability shoe guy. Altra states that this is more of a "Gentle Guidance" shoe. I am a fan of Altra but in the shoe store I could NOT get this shoe to fit even if I sized down 1/2 size. If I went down a full size my toes would hit the front of the shoe and even then the heel felt sloppy. Altra has historically had sizing issues but getting better. I'd recommend returning them and not even bother going down a full size. Just my opinion Seth.
Hi,love Altra , In the Paradigm 2 size 8 uk in the Paradigm 3 size 9 uk ,tried a pair of Paradigm 4 this week size 8.5 and in Torin 3 9.5 uk . It’s crazy how the shoe size goes up and down so much , but they are a great shoe .
Stability. I was in neutral for years but I was always having problems with my weak ankle rolling so badly whilst the other side pronates. So after trying stability I don’t have that problem anymore, just wished more would cater for the really wide feet like Altra do.
I’m a stability runner I have really high arches. I find for me that a lower drop 8 to 6 with less padding though out the sole of the shoe. The iso guide 3 are great
Hey Seth, what size you got yourself in paradigm 4.5? I think you are size 7.5, and if so I don't think Altra makes size 7 in most of their shoes. So, are you sure you went half a size down?
That shoes is kind for everyone because of the guide rails work more with the foot. Altra is known for funky sizing on some of there shoes. For sure try them on in the store. The collars on some altra's are pretty horrible.
I just got the new Olympus and it has the same problem....to wide in front. To much excess material in the upper, in the toe box area. The sizing in length is fine but there is jut to much material to get a fit that I like. There new Time has an upper that I like but the Olympus does not. Saw you at Western but I did not want to bother you. Altra is known for having sizing issues....Ive had a size 11 all the way down to a size 10...depending on the model...strange?Keep those reviews coming....
Stability. I've been a severe overpronator since high school. It seems that almost no one does good, comprehensive reviews of stability shoes. with most manufacturers moving towards dual-density foams rather than traditional medial posting, it is hard to tell which is going to correct foot-fall.
Man your landing looks so much more solid in these. I know you said you had a surgery on one foot and they both look like they are landing almost the same... normally your one foot lands and pronates a lot looks nicer imo.
I agree. Seems like it's better for his feet. Light support would be my advice on gait analysis. My feet sink in after 15km but I run in gt1000 and my feet won't get tired and doesn't sink in. Think there's some truth in gait analysis.
I bought the New Balance Vongo's at the start of the month. I've put 50 miles into them now. I like them, however, I do find my feet get a bit hot compared to in my old Mizuno Waves? Hoka One One have a big sale on (EU/UK) at the moment and I might get a pair of Arahi 2's?
I just wanted to add, that if buying running shoes is a financial stretch I am a big believer in looking at older iteration styles i.e. Arahi 2s, rather than 3s. Daughter just bought a pair of Saucony Freedom ISO, which only came out late last year and are highly rated - for £45 ($56?) as the next version has already been released. You may not get the choice of colourways but you can bag a bargain!
I have the same issue with sizing, it feels sooo big! Shame because I like the shoe but not going to put in lots of miles as it does feel great. Might buy another pair of Altra later though.
Everyone should be in a neutral shoe. If you need a "stability shoe" then you have some weaknesses that need focused on through strength training or much more base / easy running.
Neutral But I think there is a lot of discussion possible on this subject, depending on who you ask. Would be an interesting but maybe little sensitive subject to talk about. Advice on shoes can be very different depending on runningstore/employee.
Valentin Sanchez what determines weather you need stability or not is if you have any pronation. If you do then most likely you will need a stability shoe if not then you are neutral
Definitely neutral. And I just don’t see the sense in a knit upper. I put on knitwear when I’m cold and want to be warm and dry. Why on earth have a knitwear running shoe?? I find it so counter intuitive. Some of the newer weave materials seem to be an improvement on the theme but knit for casual shoes sure, but not performance.
From my experience with working in a running specialty store, the only difference is the upper. The .5's tend to be only upper changes. You can expect a big change when the 5's release sometime next year!
According to Running Warehouse it's like 309Gaming says, mainly upper, but also sizing. They have the 4.0's running small and the 4.5's as true to size
Mild stability. I have weak ankles. A small pebble will make me roll my ankles. The like the Ravenna 10s and adrenaline 19s with the new guiderails, less aggressive stability than previous iterations.
Stability runner. Altra Paradigm 4.0 gave me huge trouble when i ignored it, and also lazed up to tigth did not made it better. Paradigm 4.0 have no stability, or support whatsoever. And yes I used a professionally made sculpted insole, that didn't help either. I also used compression calf support "leggings", that did not make up for a bad Paradigm 4.0 either. Seams like Altra don't care about stability runners, not all other brands either.
I am far from a minimalist, but stability shoes are terrible for your body. A neutral shoes promotes a healthier gait cycle and is much better for strengthening your body against injuries.
Stability. Been running in ASICS Gel Kayanos but recently started transitioning to Paradigm 4.0. So far so good.
stability is more of a necessity thing than a preference thing. I work at a running shoe store currently and the only people who really need stability are people with moderate to severe pronation. If someone who doesn’t pronate runs in a high stability shoe it can actually make them unstable. Hope this helped some people
i like altras take on stability. i think the zero drop paired with stability is great for people trying to work on their form, as well as new runners and runners new to zero drop. i run in the altra provision 3 right now.
Great post! I'm a 70 y/o casual runner and now do about 12 miles a week. I've worn Hoka Bondis for years, but now find the need for a little more toe box room. I wear an 11 D. I tried the Wide Bondis, but too much heel slip[. I'm 135# and generally use Sof Sole FIT Neutral inserts. I also have custom orthotics. So, I guess you could say that I tend toward a neutral shoe with lots of cushioning, like the Bondis.
I've also worn stability shoes with no ill effects - then again, I don't hit it very hard and don't do many 5Ks these days.
And yes, all of the shoe marketers urge to go up 1/2 size (I'm close to a true 10.5). I tried a pair of Torin 4 Plushes, and the 11s were about 1/4" too long. Otherwise, they felt roomy enough, but maybe with a little less cushioning than the Bondis. I'm thinking of trying the Paradigms, but in a 10.5. They're not much heavier than the Bondis I'm accustomed to.
I would say I am a neutral shoe person but will wear a light stability shoe. I bought these shoes and had most of the same issues seth had except for sizing. Yes they are very heavy for a daily trainer and had the same problem with lockdown. So I swapped the altra"s for a pair of Hoka arahi 3 and have had zero issues with them.
Just ordered some of the Paradigm 4.0's on sale, that will be my first stability shoe. Bought it to have something with more cushion for when my feet needs a little extra pampering. I'm curious why you don't like highly cushioned shoes for long runs? I thought that was when they made most sense? I know that's when I've missed a little extra cushion.
Neutral - my feet slightly over pronate, but correcting that puts my knees out of alignment and causes issues there. Never had trouble with neutral though - raises the point of taking gait advice with a pinch of salt as a shop looking solely at my feet would say I need stability!
Used to be stability but now neutral the trails made my ankles stronger and now I don't have to relay on a stability shoe
Thank you Seth you are the best !!!!
Stability , but I want to add kind of stable neutral shoes...
Man, you nailed this review, I have these exact shoes, they run really big! Evem for altra's, ai run exclusively with altra, and the fit in mine is strange. Totally agree with the heal lockdown, very loose... but I love the midsole and insole, so for me your review is exactly what I would say about these shoes. I've done 100km in mine as of yesterday
I just sent a pair back because they were too short for my foot. My Escalante fit perfectly! Love your channel!
I use both. I have a moderate pronation and an achilles tendon problem since I was 18 (i'm 39 now, at 18 my left tendon ruptured while I was doing 1k intervals, I got surgery but it never got 100% good again). I use neutrals, that at the same time provide good protection in the rear, for races & interval training. The stability shoes for easy/normal/tempo runs. For the long runs I alternate between the two types. Right now I own the following shoes: asics gt2000 (stability heavy and sweaty, but very comfortable shoes), nike zoom pegazus 35 (light and comfortable, good protection in the rear), brooks ghost 11 (a bit heavy and spacy in the front, but my favs right now), a pair of cheap light weight neutral Kalenji's for easy low mileage runs. Greetings from Portugal!
I was told I need stability by a running shoe store and was running in stability shoes for some time. Made the switch to neutral and never looked back! So much better.
I have the Altra Paradigm 4 and feel it has it’s place in recovery runs and longer distance. The stability guild rail “stability shoe” might help out when I get tired and lazy in my gait cycle in the longer distance. (And I can’t forget it is a great shoe for the first few day’s after a big race, 50miler or 100k as casual ‘recovery’ walking shoe)
Got these on sale, in triple black, for me they’re basically Escalante 1/1.5 for heavier runners ;)
I love my stability shoes! Right now running in Saucony Hurricane ISO 4, Hoka One One Arahi 2, and New Balance Vongo V3. Love them all!
i wore kayanos forever, ran a marathon in them. ran barefoot a while and got my feet stronger. next pair i got hurt my knees. switched to nuetral shoes and all pains went away. i think the barefoot stuff helped my overpronation. i dont think anyone needs stability shoes if they can get some strong feet. just my opinion
Eric, did the same here, was in Kayanos, then to some barefooting which corrected my running form quite a bit. Could not go back to Kayanos after that and went to Altras with much better results. I do prefer neutral shoes and believe good running form does not need stability shoes.
I was ceded this shoe for free and I grab it pretty often. Probably 2 times a week. I went true to size and I think the length is perfect. I have a thumbnail width in LENGTH. I think do to it’s Footshape technology it tricks you into thinking it is bigger. At first I thought I was “swimming” too but by the end of runs I don’t notice anything. Really allows for natural toe splay.
Sadly the sizing issues apply to most Altras in my experience. I usually wear a 10 or 10.5 in Nike’s, new balances and other popular brands, but go all the way down to a 9.5 in every altra I’ve ever worn. I think it’s mostly to do with the foot-shape design being so different from other brands shape. Oh and also I’m a neutral shoe kinda guy through and through
stability.AsicsGel Kayano is my favorite but Paradigm is my choice for indoor running track. like the rails on paradigm. I have mortons nueromas in both feet and larger toe box is the answer for me
Weird sizing from Altra might be a factory issue. They're a young company with a weird product (Zero Drop and Footshape) so it seems plausible that a few models would get mislabeled by factories used to standard shoes.
Neutral because I don’t believe in stability shoes. I think you should only need stability shoes if you have severe over pronation. Not little to moderate pronation.
Big, hot, and heavy. 🤔 Maybe you can add a recurring QOD to your first impression videos: “Do you think this shoe will make it to my 50-mile review?
i went to road runner twice one at 2018 and again at 2019 and was told i needed a stability shoes. i tried but both times i got injured. i switched back to neutral and never had issues anymore
Both. I over-pronate a lot. However, most of my shoes are neutral. I believe in letting my muscles strengthen and do the work. That said, occasionally I like an easy day and that also translates to giving my ankles the day off. So, perhaps once a week I'll dig into the closet and pull out a light stability shoe. Nothing like a motion control, something lighter like a Brooks Ravenna. Also, they are classed as neutral but I also have the Nike Odyssey React and the Hoka Clifton and they both offer far more stability than many neutral shoes.
I've been running in Altras for several years sizing seems to always be inconsistent. I'm typically a 12. The Superior trail shoe I had to size up a full size. The new Duo I had to size down a half size. The Escalante runs big, but not big enough to drop a half size. Crazy inconsistency.
QD: i pronate but certain neutral shoes give me no issue (carbon x, but alas not the 4%). Re: paradigm, it's interesting your comments on fit (note this collar is a vast improvement over version 3.5). I am currently running in version 4.0, and i find the fit a bit sloppy and the shoe feels slightly short. Having said that, the ego midsole is great, soft without being squishy. Have no problem dropping speed to MP, even though i wouldn't run a marathon in them.
Stability! Just worn out a pair of Saucony Omni 19 which I loved. Looking to try something different now.
Running in a stability shoe, the brooks adrenaline gts 19. Thinking about trying the Hoka Clifton 6.
Same except Rincon
I have the clifton 6 and I absolutely love them
GTS 19 guide rails are heaven.
I don't get this. Both Altra and every store selling Altra say they run small and you have to go up 1/2 to one size from what you normally use. I have not ordered mine yet, but am I suddenly supposed to go down instead of up in size? I'm confused. I see you have tested Paradigm 4.5. I'm thinking of ordering Paradigm 4.0 (on sale). Does anybody know if Paradigm 4.5 are bigger in size than Paradigm 4.0? I really don't want to send back thousand pairs, so I hope to nail the size as close as possible (which now seems impossible since shops and Altra themselves write go up and you (and some of your commenters) say go down. What to do?
Started with light stability, but transitioned to neutral due
a) philosophy of not having my feet adapt to having that stability "crutch" always being there
b) lighter weight
c) many more cool shoe options
To be honest, I don't notice any negatives after the switch but I was probably not a huge pronator to start with. And I've actually shifted how I stand / walk / run due to being more conscious of lifting my arch off the ground.
Btw the Hoka gaviota’s are also $150
Stability - running in the Hoka Arahi 3 right now, but have enjoyed ASICS GT and Nike Structure ranges too!
I’m suppose to use a stability shoe. And I do during the off-season or during recovery runs. But during the season I like a neutral shoe because they tend to be lighter. When cross country season starts, I’ll be getting the new balance beacon.😊
How would you evaluate the new 5 vs previous 4.5? the 5 seem to have a wider plastic band at the forefoot, I'm afraid the big toe might hit it more than with the 4.5 which seemed more "meshy"? (I don't have a pair of 4.5, I'm weighing which version should I buy :) )
As for the size, I have a pair of Escalante 2 @9.5 which are perfect, but I had to return a new pair of Superior 4.5 always @9.5 because they're too tight and short (my toe is at 0,5cm from the front). What size would you suggest for the Paradigm 5?
Thank you!
I've used stability shoes in the pasted, but I now believe these types of shoes have been the cause of my plantar fasciitis. Thinking of trying altra's
Ordered my first pair of Paradigm 4.5 August 23, 2019. The first time and each time thereafter that I ran in them, I kicked and gouged my ankle bones! The support and response is amazing, but I can't take the ankle kicking! Has anyone else had this problem? I went back to the Provision 3.5 until this problem is redesigned!
I find I kick my ancles at least once on each run in my Paradigm 4.0 and 4.5's I went half size up as like others I don't like my toes scrubbing the top of the shoes. I find I can lock them down too tight if I'm not careful and get pain in the top of my foot and big toe.
Seth, try the Ravenna 10. It's very different from the 9s. The 10s have the guiderails while the 9s do not. The 10s, like the paradigm, also doesn't feel like a stability shoe.
Started out with stability being told it was better for higher arches but slowly dropping my drop (not all my runs but prefering neutral lower drop) and wearing neutral now. Very into the barefoot type shoes right now on the hunt for my next pair tough work on a tight budget though even off ebay. Would love to try some altra's maybe one day!
I'm not a stability shoe guy. Altra states that this is more of a "Gentle Guidance" shoe. I am a fan of Altra but in the shoe store I could NOT get this shoe to fit even if I sized down 1/2 size. If I went down a full size my toes would hit the front of the shoe and even then the heel felt sloppy. Altra has historically had sizing issues but getting better. I'd recommend returning them and not even bother going down a full size. Just my opinion Seth.
Altra Paradigm 4.5 or Hoka Bondi 6 for cushion and overpronation? I love my Bondi 6s.
Hi,love Altra , In the Paradigm 2 size 8 uk in the Paradigm 3 size 9 uk ,tried a pair of Paradigm 4 this week size 8.5 and in Torin 3 9.5 uk . It’s crazy how the shoe size goes up and down so much , but they are a great shoe .
Stability. I was in neutral for years but I was always having problems with my weak ankle rolling so badly whilst the other side pronates. So after trying stability I don’t have that problem anymore, just wished more would cater for the really wide feet like Altra do.
First view, first comment. Loving the content. Keep up the good work
Interesting that you had to go a size down. I had to go a half size up.
I’m a stability runner I have really high arches. I find for me that a lower drop 8 to 6 with less padding though out the sole of the shoe. The iso guide 3 are great
Hey Seth, what size you got yourself in paradigm 4.5? I think you are size 7.5, and if so I don't think Altra makes size 7 in most of their shoes. So, are you sure you went half a size down?
That shoes is kind for everyone because of the guide rails work more with the foot. Altra is known for funky sizing on some of there shoes. For sure try them on in the store. The collars on some altra's are pretty horrible.
I just got the new Olympus and it has the same problem....to wide in front. To much excess material in the upper, in the toe box area. The sizing in length is fine but there is jut to much material to get a fit that I like. There new Time has an upper that I like but the Olympus does not. Saw you at Western but I did not want to bother you. Altra is known for having sizing issues....Ive had a size 11 all the way down to a size 10...depending on the model...strange?Keep those reviews coming....
Stability, I train in the Brooks Ravenna. I had a knee issue but now no issues.
Stability. I've been a severe overpronator since high school. It seems that almost no one does good, comprehensive reviews of stability shoes. with most manufacturers moving towards dual-density foams rather than traditional medial posting, it is hard to tell which is going to correct foot-fall.
Man your landing looks so much more solid in these. I know you said you had a surgery on one foot and they both look like they are landing almost the same... normally your one foot lands and pronates a lot looks nicer imo.
I agree. Seems like it's better for his feet. Light support would be my advice on gait analysis. My feet sink in after 15km but I run in gt1000 and my feet won't get tired and doesn't sink in. Think there's some truth in gait analysis.
I have noticed the pronation, and wondered if stability would be better... 😉
i had the 4.0 and found the toe bumper caused me issues when i sized down, i think the height toe area material is to small and toe bumper too hard
What about Paradigm 4? Is it true to size? My foot is 29cm so shall I buy 29,5 cm length or not?
I chatted with Altra and they said they were true too size. I am a true 9.5 so not sure if I should buy an 8.5... Anyone have any insight?
good video , my size is 44 in hoka mafate speed 2 , what size to take for me in paradigm and olympus please ?
Please more stability running shoe reviews!!!
Stability but been wanting to try the Nike pegs for bit. I remember a sports doctor telling I have to wear stability cause of my flat feet.
I bought the New Balance Vongo's at the start of the month. I've put 50 miles into them now. I like them, however, I do find my feet get a bit hot compared to in my old Mizuno Waves? Hoka One One have a big sale on (EU/UK) at the moment and I might get a pair of Arahi 2's?
I just wanted to add, that if buying running shoes is a financial stretch I am a big believer in looking at older iteration styles i.e. Arahi 2s, rather than 3s. Daughter just bought a pair of Saucony Freedom ISO, which only came out late last year and are highly rated - for £45 ($56?) as the next version has already been released. You may not get the choice of colourways but you can bag a bargain!
Why are there not any reviews on the Altra Provision shoes? The forgotten shoes. 😏
I just recently started getting into running and found out I over pronate a little so I just bought some Hoka One One Arahi 3.
I have the same issue with sizing, it feels sooo big! Shame because I like the shoe but not going to put in lots of miles as it does feel great. Might buy another pair of Altra later though.
Everyone should be in a neutral shoe. If you need a "stability shoe" then you have some weaknesses that need focused on through strength training or much more base / easy running.
I have prefer a stability shoe for the trails and a neutral shoe on the road
neutral. that's weird because yesterday when i tried on this shoe in a store i needed to go a 1/2 size up!
Am still running in the Paradigm 3, the 4 look like and Escalante on roids!
Stability - Hokas (Arahi 3, and gaviota 2). After years of brooks adrenalines
Neutral
How far is your size., I find that’s Altra. I bought a pair of Escalante and just wear them for casual because to sloppy
Neutral
But I think there is a lot of discussion possible on this subject, depending on who you ask. Would be an interesting but maybe little sensitive subject to talk about. Advice on shoes can be very different depending on runningstore/employee.
Stability, I over pronate and need to feel secure around ankle, narrow heel compared to toe box. I need heel cushion
Neutral. Used to be stability, but have since moved into neutral shoes
Stability until I got bad shin splints. Neutral shoes fixed it all.
Neutral. Have used stability shoes trying to help with my PF. They didn't and I no longer use them.
Stability most of the time. Arahi 2 & 3 as my daily trainer. Usually neutral in races and trails runs
Try the Hoka Arahi 3.
Neutral. What size is your paradigm 4.5?
I don't know if I am stability or Neutral runner I need so help explaining Seth or you guys???!!!
Valentin Sanchez what determines weather you need stability or not is if you have any pronation. If you do then most likely you will need a stability shoe if not then you are neutral
Stability: I overpronate so stability shoes correct my running form. I run in the ASICS gt-2000 7
Plus one
thanks for the video as usual. Stability runner.
I can't determine what's my foot condition is ,it's kinda wide like man's feet and size SETH....that shoes looks good on me.
Weird... I went a half size up. Fits perfect.
Definitely neutral. And I just don’t see the sense in a knit upper. I put on knitwear when I’m cold and want to be warm and dry. Why on earth have a knitwear running shoe?? I find it so counter intuitive. Some of the newer weave materials seem to be an improvement on the theme but knit for casual shoes sure, but not performance.
Stability, but I often run in neutral shoes as well
Neutral. Saucony Zealot iso 3s
I run in the 4.0. What is the difference between them?
From my experience with working in a running specialty store, the only difference is the upper. The .5's tend to be only upper changes. You can expect a big change when the 5's release sometime next year!
According to Running Warehouse it's like 309Gaming says, mainly upper, but also sizing. They have the 4.0's running small and the 4.5's as true to size
QOD: Both neutral and stability shoes.
I supinate so my feet are happiest in neutral shoes. Especially low drop shoes.
Neutral. I've tried st shoes felt stiff on my feet.
Mild stability. I have weak ankles. A small pebble will make me roll my ankles. The like the Ravenna 10s and adrenaline 19s with the new guiderails, less aggressive stability than previous iterations.
Neutral :). Onward and upward SJD!
Neutral, but I have orthotics, so they provide the stability.
I think I'm neutral but my coach recommended the Asics Gel Kayona 25 a stability shoe and they feel different
QOD: neutral.... i have high arches and underpronate
QOD: Neutral
Stability pls
Stability runner. Altra Paradigm 4.0 gave me huge trouble when i ignored it, and also lazed up to tigth did not made it better. Paradigm 4.0 have no stability, or support whatsoever. And yes I used a professionally made sculpted insole, that didn't help either. I also used compression calf support "leggings", that did not make up for a bad Paradigm 4.0 either. Seams like Altra don't care about stability runners, not all other brands either.
Im a bit pronative but i run in natural shoes
I am far from a minimalist, but stability shoes are terrible for your body. A neutral shoes promotes a healthier gait cycle and is much better for strengthening your body against injuries.
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Stability! Wish I was neutral. 😞
Schill457 same here