Hoka vs Salomon vs Inov-8 | Who Wins?
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QD: I'm not a trail runner but my friends who do orienteering love inov8 plus, theyre an English brand so that's a bonus
Orienteering! ♥️
Love my 212s for some juice orienteering
In 2015, Japanese sportswear maker Descente acquired 80% of Inov8. Of course, it's good that the firm still provides jobs in the UK.
@@t5kcannon1 I believe they've been bought back by the original owner
Inov8 have been my go to for years on hard pack, mixed terrain and the outright winner for wet muddy trails in the UK. Tried Salomon but they are way too narrow ....Hokas are like Glam rock boots :)
I prefer Hokas because I'm 200 lbs and need a lot of cushion for my steep Climbs. Admittedly I don't have a lot of experience with other companies the last few years.
I'm also 200lbs at 6'2. Whats your favorite Hoka daily trainer for trail?
@@dannyj1983 This is embarrassing. I'm not sure the model. I'll check when I get home and look at the shoebox
Also 6ft,200lbs. I was looking at Challenger atr5. It had the highest drop in the HOKa trail lineup, although I really wanted the Evo speed goat.
I also ran trails in Skechers gorun7+ and maxroad4. The soles are lugged and the height is like a built in gaitor. Skechers are lighter than HOKa and pretty cushioned
The best Hoka for me was always stinson evo,,,but they let it go after a while ( the way it was) ,,,it worked so well for some many i actually do not understand why they changed it? i am told ATR was /is the progression from stinson ...but i found after the first few ATRs ,they just totally lost the plot.. ( stinson 3 was absolutely awful ).. the Mafate were always the marathon and ultra shoes i saw around me on feet in events, but i never tried those because i had/have bought up as many stinson evos as i could ( still have 3 pairs on the go ) ..
i have just bought a new Hoka evo speed goat ( not arrived yet) ...first pair of new shoes for 2 years !! so we will see ..
For me the Salomon is the best. My 3rd and 4th generation speedcross had more than 3000km of trail running (each of them had 3000+km). Now im using speedcross 5gtx, its perfect. I run almost every second day, i live in corsica, the mountains are hard, rocks everywhere but the contagrip of the salomon never fails, the shoe holds very good the ankle, the design and the material helps to go throw bushes... without get stucked. Their road shoes are not the best, but for trail Salomon is the king. I tried other brands but the every of them was lower in durability, comfort (after 100km of ard run, not like the small guys say i came out of the store and i dont like the shoe because...)
I like to watch your channel, your videos are very helpful and interesting.
Greetings
I just started running in my first trail shoe ever last week. Thanks to you, they are the Saucony mad River tr's. I live about a mile or so from a few of our amazing Hudson valley New York Forrest trails. The Saucony's are absolutely killing it. I have about 50 miles in them. Rocks, wet hills, climbs, any terrain I've thrown at them so far, they have just been fantastic! Thank you for what you do.
The best Manufacturer is probably Salomon .. The brand I would prefer is Altra .. but the main trail shoes I own are Hoka .. you will NEVER see me in a Nike
I love my Topo trail shoes. A spacious, wide toe-box like Altras but they don’t kill my achilles like zero drop shoes.
I picked up the NIke Terra Kiger 6 and been running in them more than any other shoes. They are making my trails so much fun, trail racing in them has been amazing.
I couldn't be happier with them.
QD: I like Hoka trails so far. TBH that is the brand I have tried. I am willing to try other brands because you have me those ideas. Also I see that Stinson ATR 6 in the corner. Can't wait for you to try it, on my radar for another purchase. I have the Stinson ATR 5 now and I really like them.
QD: I'm middle of the pack runner who runs long races 70 km and up. Comfort and grip are my top concerns. Then
Altra for dry conditions
Inov8 for rain (and mud)
How is the cushining in inov8? I have the Mudclaw for winterrunning, but need more cushining.
@@abstractgeniuscomments I use the roclite (305 and 300!) series... they have, for my taste, enough cushion.
QD: I really like Salomon's designs and almost "ahead of its time" approach to creation. Looking at what the elite ultra trail runners wear, most of them are strapped up in Salomon or Hoka. They are certainly the top dogs in the trail world with Inov-8 dominating as the more specialized shoe for those super rugged races. I think Altra has an opportunity to seize an untouched niche' in a similar way.
QD: Salomon of course (Sense Pro 3), with La Sportiva as a good 2nd. I don't need the big lug depths on the hard and dry mountains of Spain. I can't believe you haven't tried the Sense Pro's yet as a Salomon fanboy. 😉
Always loved Inov8. I have the X Talon 200 from a few years back and its just a fantastic trail shoe. Love racing in it. Hoka Torrent for my everyday trail runner, another great shoe
Inov-8 are killing it. I buy the x-talon 210 every season.
Best ever !
Looking into getting into running trails, I’m from California and have been looking into some shoes, this video has been super informative, thank you
QD: I still haven’t encountered a better trail shoe in 2020 than the 2019 Hoka Speedgoat EVO. So as right now Hoka. But I don’t care about racing and I’m 6ft 190 pounds.
QOD: Altra for me. I'm not the fastest but they're the most comfortable and I really enjoy the zero drop. Have a good one Seth!
Which trail shoe do you have? I have the superiors and like them but kinda disappointed in their traction
@@run2659 I have the king m.t. 2s and the traction is incredible!
@@run2659 I have the Lonepeaks, but Im in Ohio with rocks and roots. I dont need as much lug depth. I've had them for a few years. Havent tried the superiors.
My favorite trail speed shoe is the Hoka Torrent. I may be biased as I decided to go all-in on Hoka last year and one of my main reasons (in addition to Hoka shoes being great) to go all-in is I can get my Hokas from local running stores. I live outside of Dayton oh and several of the brands or shoe models you mention are just not available near me.
QD: The Inov8 are my favorite for the trails in my area too!
QD: Salomon and La Sportiva. Hoka as well but I use them more for training. GREETINGS/FROM SALZBURG/AUSTRIA!!!
QD: I have yet to try any of their racing shoes yet, but I've been impressed with my Inov-8s. Very responsive and great grip. Would love to try the X-Talons.
I got a pair of Evo Jawz last year after sufffering in the mud in a race wearing shoes that I'd thought were grippy but weren't (Speedgoats). I adore them. I've worn them in races over 50km, and at the moment I'm doing a shorter trail race series with distances down in the 5 to 7 km range and again they're just perfect for me.
QD - Inov-8 - hands down. I've had 4 different shoes of theirs, they're utterly superb.
Awesome, Ross! Are they comfortable at all? Any cushion in there?
I’ve been running inov8 for 10 years until I discovered VJ irocks last summer. A little stiff in the beginning. After breaking them in for few runs they just rock the trails.
QD: SALOMON SENSE 4 PRO
(For distances up to max 50k)
No disagreement here. I love my pair and man are they fast.
Most of us have limited experience with very many brands . I think most runners will have tried no more than 3-4 brands over several years and will therefore compare a 2020 Solomon shoe with some 2018 model of day Hoka or something. My choice will then be the one I had the better experiences with. Right now it’s Hoka for the trails I find myself on. 😀🏃♂️🏃♂️
Hoka is shoe for me, have tried Inov-8 (305 heavier shoe than yours). I don't need the 8mm lugs because trails here are harder packed and typically only 100-150 ft of climbing per mile.
QD: Salomon, quality, fit and responsiveness are awesome, I run SLAB sense 7s
I bought my Hoka Clifton 6 this year and it is what has got me back into running after 7 years out after arthroscopy medial knee surgery they have taken all the knee pain away..the only thing I would like is wider toe box for my super wide feet! Definitely become a Hoka fan boy! Have bought Speedgoat 4 trails and Sky Kaha walking boots!
Inov-8 have been the go to XC shoe for many runners in the UK for years with the exception of spikes, mainly because they are light and our courses are normally very muddy and slippery and the 8mm lugs do the job well.
When I think of trail I think of Solomon
King?
@@nihonbunka the shoe
@@carsoncowling4510 Then the name is Salomon not Solomon.
@@nihonbunka I think I got my point across and 16 others knew what I was talking about. No need to be cheeky about how I spelled it.
@@carsoncowling4510 Sorry for my lip.
(and I got confused about which spelling mistake was being referred to since I had pointed out another spelling issue on a different video)
QD: I used to run in the Brooks pure grit but they discontinued that line. Currently running in Altra but not as big a fan. I guess that is why I watch a lot of shoe reveiws to pick the next great shoe to add to the lineup like the SL20's, thank you for that one they have become my new go to shoes.
Raymond Morrow I loved the Pure Grit line too and was shocked when it was discontinued. I did not like the Cascadia and then switched brand loyalty.
@@cmlyk I have a previously had a Cascada 12. The fore sole separated less than a year. I'm happy that I was able to use them in any 3 trail races but they have to go due to durability concerns.
QoD: Salomon. I just picked up a pair of Sense Ride2 on sale for 72 Cdn. Love them. I've used Speedcross 3 and 4 almost exclusively since i started trail running and love them for longer distances. I also just picked up a pair of Inov-8 X-Talon 255 on sale (75 Cdn). I'm wearing them around the house right now, trying to get my feet used to them, I find them really stiff sided. Am itching to take them out for some hill repeats to see how they compare to the Speedcross for traction.
Hey Seth, good review! Could you do a trail shoe review for a 100k trail race? Thanks
hear hear
I run in Texas, where the trails contain hardpack and large rocks (not broken up ones). I don’t think INOV-8’s large lugs and minimal stack would work here. I want more protection and would worry about stability on those lugs. When the time comes, I plan to race in the Salomon Sense 4 Pro.
QD: Hoka...especially in love with the Torrent which was fantastic at Kendall. thanks to you, however, need to feel the BITE of an InoV8! thank you, head bowed..
I wear inov8's and i'm in UK so, it's inov8's for me. But i do love Salomon as well. Never tried Hoka.
Which one you recommend for steep hike on mountain?For short distance 5k... Im considering between speedcross5 and g235?
What about the Altra King Mountain and Altra Superior for light racing shoes or the Timp for longer ultra marathons, would love to see you review those Seth
QD: HOKA for sure, EVO jawz for shorter distance and Evo Speedgoat/ Evo Mafate for long distance/ultras!
QD: Salomon all the way. I haven’t tried out the Inov-8s or the speedgoats yet but Salomon has always been my go to
QD: Walsh. Very similar to inov8 but feels even grippier and made by hand
Has to be Hoka for long distance Ultra Running. Anything 50 miles and more they are hands down the best.
For me, Salomon has always epitomized trail shoes. I love my old Sense Pro and Speedcross (great for winter). I liked my Terra Kiger 4s too, but I just bought the Wildhorse 6, and I don’t love them. Now looking at EVO Speedgoats (thanks to this channel) and Sense 4/ Pro (any chance of an SJD review?). Seth - I would love to see a video just like this one for longer distance shoes from these same companies. Thanks for all the time and effort - you are great at what you do!!
Salomon (Speedcross, sense ride and sense pro 4), La Sportiva (Akasha), Inov-8 (X-Talons and Trailtalons) and Saucony (Peregrins) are in my board.
1. Sense pro 4
2. Peregrin 10 and Akasha
3. X-Talon 212/230 and Trailtalon 235. The X-Talons are very aggressive and sometimes bite too much
😁😁 inov8 x-talon 210 is especially made for OCR (obstacle course racing 💪🏽)
Try water sections, you will be even more surprised, this shoe goes the water in and comes out exactly the same weight 🤩, it also bites mud like no other brand (except maybe for vj sports i-rock).
But the downside, i need at least 5 to 6 pairs of inov8 210 every year.. (competition use only)
For Trail Running I am an Inov-8 and la Sportiva guy. I run very technical trails with lots of hills, rocks, and roots, and high stack height shoes are not great in these conditions as they lead to ankle rolls, and potential injury. In these conditions I want some ground feel so that I can stay as steady as possible on my feet. Hokas are good for ultra marathons and less technical terrain, and road running, but give me Inov-8 for trail running any day.
QD: Altra, because fit is as important as what's on the bottom. Inov8 are spot on when it gets seriously mucky but I've not seen anything from them that's suited to harder packed surfaces or 50k+ distances. Can't argue with the grip though.
been using both for over 10 years, inov8 are so good for running, especially fells, but only last a short time, whilst salomon last years and years.
Best trail trainers make are definitely WALSH, if you have never tried them give them a go.
QD'ish: I like how you said in response to which trail shoe, "Depends on the course". The trails I run are generally pretty buffed out with some rocks here and there, so features like lug depth / grip aren't as important. So door-to-trail work best for my needs and pretty much all companies make a model! (Rocking Topo right now)
In the mud and less technical terrain I love my Saucony Peregrines. For everything else LaSportiva, without hesitation!
I love my Hoka Speedgoats!! I've also raced in my Inov-8's, but Hoka takes the crown for me.
Regardless of what I prefer, I run in Brook's because they work for me. But as far as the best competitive trail racing shoe? Gotta give it to Solomon, they are deep into the scene with so much research done in Europe. Hands down deepest shoe choices, super high quality and always reliable.
QD I would say Solomon for shorter races but covers the biggest amount of terrane to me
my vote for the best trail shoes is Inov-8. This company has a shoe for every trail situation.
It all depends on the type of terrain. Muddy rocks and orienteering =Inov8 X-Talons, mixed trail and single track = Hoka Speedgoat.
Nvii definitely the best responsive trail shoe brand I've raced in. They're a relatively new brand with roots in orienteering and they kick ass. Definitely recommend trying out a pair of Forest 2 or Crazy Light for a shortish trail race.
Saucony Mad River Trail for the type of terrain for me, FANTASTIC!
QD: haven’t tried any trail racing shoes but as for trail running shoes I really like the Pegasus 36 trail version. I might try a hoka trail shoe next since I like their road shoes!
QD: I'll go with HOKA, their Speedgoat 3 works GREAT for me :)
Best all around training/competition shoe on all kind of surfaces.
I'm curious what's your thoughts about the speedgoat 4?
I'm devastated about it :(...
I ran in all speedgoats, and every model 1,2,3 was getting better, but now the 4 just doesn't work, i need to do so much more effort to get at those 3.30/km pace.. they feel heavy and stiff
@@thibaultD1 I didn't try them yet... but since I wrote the comment above I started to develop blisters between my first and second toe on both sides, and on the inside of the heel, where the insole meets the upper of the shoe. Not a big problem though, perhaps the Speedgoat 4 wides would be a good replacement, but I need to check them out. With rocker shoes finding the right size is really important, perhaps that's why you aren't as fast in the SG 4 as in the SG 3?
@@adriankoch6501 ow damn that's sad, i don't get any kind of issues with the sg3.
They just fit perfectly and have enough traction, the fit of the sg4 is indeed different, especially the forefoot feels looser than the sg3..
But the traction is a lot better in the sg4, that's undeniable.
Good luck with your blisters and the sg4, i have tried the torrent 2, this seems more sg3 than the sg4 do
QD: HOKA ONE ONE.
Altra has been my go to for several years...However, love the Nike Wildhorse 6 and would love to try Kiger 6... Would love to try Salomon, but have stayed away due to price point...Keep up the good work!
Qd - from UK so inov8 wins especially for the muddy moors nothing beats the grip and durability however for the longer stuff the extra cushioning of the hoka speedgoats helps over the longer distances
QD: I have run over 100 miles in the Nike Terra Kiger 6 and they have felt great (very responsive and a smooth ride) at faster paces on trails. I have not raced in the Terra Kiger yet, but they are definitely the shoes I'd reach for when I race on trails.
Also, Seth inspired me to start a UA-cam channel and I'd really appreciate it if you checked out my channel!
Not sure about Evo Jaws but I can most certainly tell that S/Lab Sense 8 SG and both of inov-8's are more of fell running shoes.
Some people might find them good for distance too but in my opinion they are more suitable for short and fast races
QD : Salomon have been my go to trail shoe for years. I use the Sense Ride 3's for everyday and Speed Cross 4's for muddy/harsher terrain.
Dynafit feline up pro
Dynafit ultra 100
Another brand that you might want to review is Mammut.
QD: I like the Brand La Sportiva, especially the Model Bushido II for tecnical and fast mountain running!
I have the Inov8 X-Talon 210's. I've done 265km or about 165 miles in them. It's a lovely shoe but the lack of underfoot protection is an issue on harder surfaces with lots of loose rocks and scree. Downhills on loose rocks and scree will hurt in this shoe. They are my go-to trail shoes for wet and muddy conditions though, as well as forested hills. I don't know how the underfoot protection on the X-Talon G235's is. I'd love to know because with some added protection these would probably become my go-to shoes for everything trail.
how have the lugs on the 210s (G version or normal?) held up on rocks and scree? I love the salomon slab sg and fg but they wear out really fast.
QD: Nike Kiger 6, just a generally good all round trail shoe and can go Ultra distances unlike the others.
For short aggressive trails for sure the Salomon Sense range
QD: Altra Lone Peak 4.5
QD: I like Salomon the best, but occasionally run also in Nikes
I've found that the best trail (and road shoes) for me are Altra. In particular, Lone Peak (4).
La Sportiva Bushido, are awesome trail racing shoes, they are built like a tank. The only thing I can suggest if anyone tries La Sportiva is to order them a 1/2 bigger, they run small in size.
First to admit that I am not first.
Great comparison Seth .
I’ve run in all 3 brands over the years. Salomon were my favourite , but I’ve been leaning to inov8 lately... in saying that I haven’t tried the evo speedgoat yet.
QD: Salomon is the first brand I think of because it does everything right but I'm currently using HOKA Challenger ATR5 and liking them.
I have done a few trail races & I think INOV8 are the better trail shoes, with ON being a good 2nd, Solomon being 3rd 👍🏃🇬🇧
QD: Salomon, the S-Lab Speed series is my favorite series of shoes ever
addendum the Scott Supertrac RC
I would definitely say the Dynafit Ultra 100
Scott supertrac RC 2 and the Kinabalu Ultra for longer trails!
Totally agree re lugs. The sense sg should be their normal one and they should go 8mm for the sg.
In Norway I run a lot on wet rocks and mountains. Running shoes from VJ have experienced that have the best grip
QD: I did a 75k race in march, coming in 6th place, with no blisters or pain of any kind. And i attribute that to my altra timps 1.5. That was my first pair of altras, now i have several more and on trails i use timp2, superior 4 and lone Peak 4.5. I guess i Will go superior för my next race :)
Great thats all I wanted to hear I love INOV8
Salomon are my favorite trail shoes
Why dont you try La Sportiva, i think you haven't had them yet
I remembered that he used la sportiva for his 100mile attempt way back in the day. La sportiva is quite heavy.
@@etiennevlok Yea I know, almost all models are over 300g, but they are very durable and protective
New Jackal feels like the peregrine 10. That could be an option.
QD: Arc’teryx has some amazing running shoes for racing. They have one that would Provo y be good for and ultra however the Norvan SL Running shoe is super light and has decent grip. I have about 250 miles on my pair and they are still working.
That's brave, I found them too harsh even vs. the Sense
Challenger ATR6 wide for daily runs from door to trail runs .Torrent 2 for short fast runs , Mafate Speed 3 for long trail runs. Salomon wildcross for muddy runs and for got nows what i bought them. :-) HOKA wins. They just fit my feet.
Scott supertrac rc - winner. All particular to footshape though. Don't bother with the peregrine, it's flawed in every iteration I've had.
"from somewhere, I don't know where" Inov8 are based in Staveley just down the road from me in the Lake District.
P.S. Also I think they're cross talons not x talons.
Next you're going to tell me that "Z" is pronounced like "Zed" !
QD: its gotta be Salomon, you know I love Altra if I was somewhere muddier I might do Inov-8 but since I run longer I just have not found a pair that has enough cushion for me - The Hoka Jawz intrigues me - for trails Hoka Stack height doesnt do it for me, but that one seems not as high. I believe that the X in the Inov-8 shoes is pronounced Cross like XC for Cross Country
The Torrent in Hoka lineup may be a good option, less stack height than usual, more or less like a Salomon but has great traction and confort
Salomon , Foothold is king when it comes to racing, nothing comes close to their S-LABs. I run in the S-LAB hardgrounds , minimal lugs just make it a racing flat for the trails.
Salomon. I have Speedcross 4 and Sense Ride 3
QD: Salomon with Inov-8 makes the best trail racing shoes.
of those I like Salomon (only used 1 pair of Hoka's though). Although, now I use the primariy Arcteryx Norvan series (LD for long runs and SL for shorter faster stuff). For a pretty well protected trail shoe (the SL) to be only 185g for my size is pretty unbelievable.
It depends on the distance some shoes are not make to go 50 miles or 100k and even 100 miles.
I bought lots of Altra.... but i ended up Salomon Speedcross 5 wide! I live at Las Vegas desert
Are they good for running on sandy trails?
@@olgapereverzeva9145 Yes!!! From my perspective tgr shoes is good all around but.... all good for 2-4 hrs run or hike or backpacking.. i wont use this for long distance
@@conracewhatever5224 Thank you!👍
QD: I prefer scott because I've been using for many technical trail and it works for me. I'm happy if you make a review about them :D