We started our live battle report channel 2 years ago. Mid Table Tactics. It’s fun and a part of the hobby for us but man it doesn’t even pay for the internet let alone the time.
I don’t know what he does for a living, or who they are, but the amount of memberships John McArdle dishes out on a regular basis seems to be single handily keeping most of these channels in business.
No joke, this dude pops into to Titans, Liam Dempsey, Wargames Live!, ect. And just drops 50 memberships and multiple super chats per stream. It’s bonkers.
I also wonder if there is a certain amount of over saturation. I few years ago there weren’t that many channels or they were mostly a couple of mates rolling some dice and pointing a phone camera at the table. Now there appears to be a large number of channels with very professionally produced content and Warhammer is a niche hobby compared to fortnight or COD.
The other problem is, especially now, you're going up against 'The Big Guns' aka Play On who have an entire team doing their stuff and thus have very slick looking productions. Not only that but they regularly rotate the people playing, meaning that it would probably lessen the amount of burnout a single person feels PLUS often time they'll have the minis painted by a professional company, especially if it's one who has sponsored the channel. For example of things not working GFN gaming (small channel but great for Kill Team content) would do narrative focused kill team battles and created a long running narrative campaign tying it all together and those battle reports disappeared for a while. The guy incharge of GFN gaming, when I asked what happened to them, came out a said that the amount of work they put in to those narrative games was just not worth it and that the normal non-narrative battlereports just got more consistent views.
I watch battle reports by searching specific armies I want to see and picking from the results. I have some names I may gravitate to and even subscribe but I rarely watch the new videos they put out.
This is something I was chatting about on my live streams lately. I moved over from UA-cam because I had been doing it for 5 yrs at the time and my lack of editorial skills lead to bad numbers and burnout. I got a taste for live streaming and decided I'd move over to twitch. I'm only on 3 nights a week but it's less stress, you get instant feedback, and it counts as my working hours/hobby time too. I'm also making more in ad revenue now than I did from 5 years worth of weekly videos (sometimes 3 in a week). Throw in a dozen subs and it's easily the best decision I've made. Do I miss doing videos? Sure but doing a live "fuck around and find out" show trumps 2-3 late nights recording and editing. Cheers for this video 🤘😎
As someone thats run a channel (Mikey may remember us) even if just a small one, its bloody hard work. Members do make channels, so make sure you support your favourite content creators!
Sadly there are only a few channels who can get the critical mass of memberships behind them to support batreps. Even DZTV didn’t make it. Good to see you have found a niche Mikey
I also disappeared. 9th just wasn't fun. I changed my name and then started playing video games. Keeping up with releases and rules changes was insane.
I suggested, in other channels, that there is value in networking for you guys (40K UA-camrs) - both for crosspolination of members/viewers and for exposure. MWG did stuff like that for Mountain Miniatures and it helped them/him as far as I see.
Christmas Lights, RPGs, War Gaming...once its a job its no longer fun. Once you hit a national marker, or win a reward you feel the pressure of having to get better every year or maintain a certain level of professionalism that garnered the attention to begin with.
With all my respect, I think the reason is Warhammer battle report needs HEAVY after edit to make it understandable. I was a Warhammer player myself, and I must say the game including too many dice roll and rules required tons of explanation. Most of the time, I can't even follow what is happening on a live battle report, and a well edited version cost way too much.
The costs also are in the tables and armies. You have to keep relevant and with GW putting out new armies constantly you are dumping cash into books and such constantly.
Most are far too long because people don't want to edit the videos down more than necessary. When I first came into the hobby at the beginning of 8th I remember telling a friend how long it took to play a single game and to this day it still blows me away that it takes as long as it does. 40k just flat out is not a good game, the lore is amazing and all that but 40k since the middle of 9th just hasn't been enjoyable, at least for me. I actually jumped to MESBG almost entirely and it's become my new obsession.
I wanna know why more people don't watch Joe at Wargames Live, he streams GTs every weekend. I can't get enough wargames live, I'll turn on a video and start painting. Live stream battle reps are the best way to learn to play, imo.
Damn its been 4 years since “we bought a load of warhammer”? The warhammer 40k couple shit down cuz of hobby and content burnout. They were loosing their enthusiasm for the hobby. I would love to do content but would be super casual about it so it probably wouldn’t get much traction 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I think there is 3 things that have had an effect on the viewership of 40k. 1) the wave of people getting into 40k at the start of 8th are draining away. Either because real life has got in the way ie family, career and/cost of living why watch something that makes you feel like your missing out 2) Competion 40k at start of 8th there was not really another massive game system AoS was still finding its feet and fantasy player either went to 40k or infinity. Feels like the sterility of the game (lack of narrative) and the explosion of game systems like Bolt Action, Cruel Seas, Gloomtench 26, Star Wars Armada, X-wing, Legion along with GW owned competition like AoS, Old World, HH, KT, LI has pulled the player base away from 40k so people are playing what they watch. 3) Quality, now this might sound counter intuitive but why I like watching Winters (however even his 40k bat reps I've not watched many of recently) and Ministry of Miniatures (historical wargames) is because I dont feel guilty of not giving my full attention to them. I can put it on and listen to it whilst I do the washing up or tidying the house, hanging up the washing. Stopping to watch when the game sounds exciting or interesting. Really over produced bat reps I feel obligated to watch it, due to the time and effort put in. I dont have the time to watch a 2hr bat rep on a system I cannot currently play or want to play. When I have film, tv series or bat reps on systems I want to play that I can be watching instead. Really enjoy your talking head content and I do think you are underrated as a channel. Keep up the hard work and I hope you get the success your hard work deserves.
Throw-away comment - I appreciate that it isn't worth it financially - but I really miss the old Hellstorm pre-recorded battle reports! A cornerstone for me when i was getting back into the hobby during 8th edition...
I've always felt like batreps are a bit of an impossible challenge for creators, any video over 10 minutes has an uphill battle against the retention gods of youtube; along side the delicate balance of not editing so much out people can't follow along, but also not leaving too much in it becomes slow and stale... Still gonna have a crack at it though
You should film some Batreps of kids playing with the models, sure you can find some kids somewhere 😂, my young kids love watching other kids playing on UA-cam, those channels get millions of views!
There are still some good battle report channels. I think a lot of channels die out because they fall back on whining and ranting videos between battle reports. The last thing anyone wants to watch is a grown adult who plays tabletop games for a “living” crying about a toy company while I’m on my way to work lol
I think it's a symptom of an over saturated market especially for GW games. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the painting channels quitting this year. Channels will need to adapt to stay relevant, especially in such a competitive market.
If you're setting up a channel to make a living, then you'll need to treat it as a new business. The average business will take roughly 3 years to break even, and on average it'll take around 3 years for most UA-cam channel to reach monetization. You'll need to factor in equipment costs, cost of living, possibly studio space and a ton of other additional costs. I would say don't go full time until you can create the same amount after costs as your paid in your current job. I would also say don't try to run before you can walk, don't try to emulate some of the bigger channels. They've been doing YT for years and built up to that standard. Start small and slowly build up.
UA-cam is a more difficult environment to monetize now it seems... but at the same time, my understanding is that 10th ed battles are much less appalling than previous edition ones... Not sure if that is true though.
I feel as though the bubble for certain UA-cam content relating to specialist hobby has burst and its not as profitable as what it used to be. Bat reps especially asits a longer time investment ansd requires a certain level of game knowledge to watch. Compared to painting or lore videos the production time and expenses is also huge as you need to account for so much in terms of crew and post production.
I remember I got into your channel because of battle reports but respect that times change even though selfishly I’d love more BR content (Apologies for not being a secret millionaire oil dono baron to fuel that selfish dream) I remember on my channel when I made 2 (low effort/budget) BR reports & it was an eye opener. It took like 2 days to film/edit for 1hr 30 min video 💀 Great fun/experience but jeez… some effort. Totally agree on burnout & shaking it up. My channel would be classed as bottom pit dead but I’ve found talking/painting different themes keep it fresh & exciting… or it’s a case of last minute oh heck I need to make a low effort video 😂 It’s a hobby within a hobby for me but I respect the pressure of approaching a channel from a job perspective. P.s shout out to coffee time! Was always a Sunday highlight ☕️ ❤️ Basically… nice video XD
Tbh I hate battle reports, I find them so dull. I watch TTT purely for Beard, Bard, Jinx, Chef and the spider. Battle reports need to be more entertaining or have personalities that are what your there for.
i agree. there is about 4 channels that i find somewhat fun to watch. everything else i honestly have to force my self to watch bvc the videos are so dull. no life in them.
I really WANT to love batreps. But a lot of what I see is moving models, measuring, banter and "hits on three, wounds on four", then rolling dice and rolling saves. Yes, that IS warhammer. But it's not fun to watch. It's fun to be in the room and see the players do their thing. To look at their models. But through a screen you lose the interaction, so batreps need to be heavily edited down for me to enjoy them. And even at that point, I find talking content much easier to enjoy. Whether it's strategy, lore, talk about the game in any other way.
Bat reps seem to be doing worse in general because 10th is less popular. 40K in general just isn’t as fun to watch anymore. Looks like old world bat reps are doing very well though. However that’s probably because it’s new release.
@@HellstormWargaming I agree but I didn’t realize it until Bricky made the video. Seems like the a lot of stuff fell off of FLG network. Must be a post Covid draw down
I think fundamentally 40k, 10th especially, just isn't a particularly interesting game to watch. GW stripped all the flavour out of it which leads to less varied games and less opportunities for emergent narratives to happen while playing. Oh look, the Marine player drew Investigate Signals so he has to send units into the bad behaviour corners for a turn to score points. Whoopdifucking do. For someone watching the game it is a completely meaningless and random interaction that is totally divorced from anything actually happening in-game. And it's not like the brand new detachment system gives the game much variety or narrative spice either, especially when your characters and psykers do One Thing and One Thing only. The days of your farseers being run in all manner of weird kooky weird ways is dead; now man stands behind the Avatar and does his GW-mandated One Ability. Unless he's on a bike, then it's another One Ability. For some reason. 10th is just ass to watch, dude. Not much better to play either, unless you're super new or a garagelord who plays one game every 2 months.
This 100%, I really dislike 9th at the end and wanted it gone but I was wrong strats and codex creep killed it. 10th just has no depth whatsoever and I agree it's ok to play but not very interesting to watch.
absolutely. enjoyed 8th and 9th to watch, 10th is like watching ludo with extra naff. I'm honestly surprised more creators are not dropping back to 6th, or 8th, or 9th, to see if they get better draws. I
@@flowinsounds You can see the decline in views across all channels focusing on 40k batrep content over the past 6-12 months. A lot of the smaller channels have outright stated that 40k batrep viewership is declining, but you can also just see it even on the bigger channels like TTT or PlayOnTabletop. Even batreps focused on new codexes aren't drawing in impressive numbers anymore.
yup. I tried to get a few to keep doing 9th, but no, they were afraid they'd lose viewership unless they stayed 'current'. They forgot that we watch for the vibe and the interest, and chasing GW's race to the bottom isn't compelling
It's time vs revenue. A full day of filming, another of editing. Then there's the constant churn of armies and codexes etc. Unless GW is sending you everything there's no way to not go bankrupt trying to keep up.
Yeah maybe youtubers should get real jobs now that the bubble is bursting xD i never thought this line of "business" would be sustainable in like 5 yeara time and with channels poping like mushrooms.
tbh, I don't think wh is meant to be played. 90% of games are bad and decided before they start the rules are a mess, setting up games takes forever turns and dicerolls take way to long and are super boring and then most games are over in 3 turns there is a reason why most people in the hobby are not interested in actually playing
The question is why does people watch bat rep at all. -The game medium is simply very hostile to any form of vlogging unless you are watching a professional level production or are watching top table play to learn from the best. - i'd be more interested in a perun style powerpoint analysis of the meta and gameplay dynamic with basic circle and shape
We started our live battle report channel 2 years ago. Mid Table Tactics. It’s fun and a part of the hobby for us but man it doesn’t even pay for the internet let alone the time.
I don’t know what he does for a living, or who they are, but the amount of memberships John McArdle dishes out on a regular basis seems to be single handily keeping most of these channels in business.
Who is he and how do I get him to watch me
No joke, this dude pops into to Titans, Liam Dempsey, Wargames Live!, ect. And just drops 50 memberships and multiple super chats per stream. It’s bonkers.
I’ve seen him too. Literally keeping the Art of War guys afloat.
@@jacktheripper6928 idk if that’s true. Have you seen the price for coaching and war room access?
@@HellstormWargaming i think he works for C-SPAN lmao
I also wonder if there is a certain amount of over saturation. I few years ago there weren’t that many channels or they were mostly a couple of mates rolling some dice and pointing a phone camera at the table. Now there appears to be a large number of channels with very professionally produced content and Warhammer is a niche hobby compared to fortnight or COD.
The other problem is, especially now, you're going up against 'The Big Guns' aka Play On who have an entire team doing their stuff and thus have very slick looking productions. Not only that but they regularly rotate the people playing, meaning that it would probably lessen the amount of burnout a single person feels PLUS often time they'll have the minis painted by a professional company, especially if it's one who has sponsored the channel.
For example of things not working GFN gaming (small channel but great for Kill Team content) would do narrative focused kill team battles and created a long running narrative campaign tying it all together and those battle reports disappeared for a while. The guy incharge of GFN gaming, when I asked what happened to them, came out a said that the amount of work they put in to those narrative games was just not worth it and that the normal non-narrative battlereports just got more consistent views.
I watch battle reports by searching specific armies I want to see and picking from the results. I have some names I may gravitate to and even subscribe but I rarely watch the new videos they put out.
This is something I was chatting about on my live streams lately. I moved over from UA-cam because I had been doing it for 5 yrs at the time and my lack of editorial skills lead to bad numbers and burnout. I got a taste for live streaming and decided I'd move over to twitch. I'm only on 3 nights a week but it's less stress, you get instant feedback, and it counts as my working hours/hobby time too. I'm also making more in ad revenue now than I did from 5 years worth of weekly videos (sometimes 3 in a week). Throw in a dozen subs and it's easily the best decision I've made. Do I miss doing videos? Sure but doing a live "fuck around and find out" show trumps 2-3 late nights recording and editing. Cheers for this video 🤘😎
A LOT of this has to do with the choices of what to watch, Tyranids always draw HUGE
Unless it's the >200 models comp, and yes, it is codex compliant
As someone thats run a channel (Mikey may remember us) even if just a small one, its bloody hard work. Members do make channels, so make sure you support your favourite content creators!
Brothers grimdark also closed down, and THEY were very enjoyable to watch 😢
Sadly there are only a few channels who can get the critical mass of memberships behind them to support batreps. Even DZTV didn’t make it. Good to see you have found a niche Mikey
I also disappeared. 9th just wasn't fun. I changed my name and then started playing video games. Keeping up with releases and rules changes was insane.
this is an interesting aspect to the "quitting era" we're seeing already this year ... the world is getting more expensive !
All of the reasons seem to be landing on something similar. Money, time or burnout - or a mixture of the three
I suggested, in other channels, that there is value in networking for you guys (40K UA-camrs) - both for crosspolination of members/viewers and for exposure. MWG did stuff like that for Mountain Miniatures and it helped them/him as far as I see.
Nice video mate - gave me pause for thought!
40k isn't a game that's fun to watch people play
disagree.
40K is horrendous to batrep, other games are easier but don’t get the eyes
Christmas Lights, RPGs, War Gaming...once its a job its no longer fun. Once you hit a national marker, or win a reward you feel the pressure of having to get better every year or maintain a certain level of professionalism that garnered the attention to begin with.
10th edition killed them for me.
With all my respect, I think the reason is Warhammer battle report needs HEAVY after edit to make it understandable.
I was a Warhammer player myself, and I must say the game including too many dice roll and rules required tons of explanation.
Most of the time, I can't even follow what is happening on a live battle report, and a well edited version cost way too much.
The costs also are in the tables and armies.
You have to keep relevant and with GW putting out new armies constantly you are dumping cash into books and such constantly.
Most are far too long because people don't want to edit the videos down more than necessary. When I first came into the hobby at the beginning of 8th I remember telling a friend how long it took to play a single game and to this day it still blows me away that it takes as long as it does. 40k just flat out is not a good game, the lore is amazing and all that but 40k since the middle of 9th just hasn't been enjoyable, at least for me. I actually jumped to MESBG almost entirely and it's become my new obsession.
I wanna know why more people don't watch Joe at Wargames Live, he streams GTs every weekend. I can't get enough wargames live, I'll turn on a video and start painting. Live stream battle reps are the best way to learn to play, imo.
Damn its been 4 years since “we bought a load of warhammer”? The warhammer 40k couple shit down cuz of hobby and content burnout. They were loosing their enthusiasm for the hobby. I would love to do content but would be super casual about it so it probably wouldn’t get much traction 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I think there is 3 things that have had an effect on the viewership of 40k.
1) the wave of people getting into 40k at the start of 8th are draining away. Either because real life has got in the way ie family, career and/cost of living why watch something that makes you feel like your missing out
2) Competion 40k at start of 8th there was not really another massive game system AoS was still finding its feet and fantasy player either went to 40k or infinity. Feels like the sterility of the game (lack of narrative) and the explosion of game systems like Bolt Action, Cruel Seas, Gloomtench 26, Star Wars Armada, X-wing, Legion along with GW owned competition like AoS, Old World, HH, KT, LI has pulled the player base away from 40k so people are playing what they watch.
3) Quality, now this might sound counter intuitive but why I like watching Winters (however even his 40k bat reps I've not watched many of recently) and Ministry of Miniatures (historical wargames) is because I dont feel guilty of not giving my full attention to them. I can put it on and listen to it whilst I do the washing up or tidying the house, hanging up the washing. Stopping to watch when the game sounds exciting or interesting. Really over produced bat reps I feel obligated to watch it, due to the time and effort put in. I dont have the time to watch a 2hr bat rep on a system I cannot currently play or want to play. When I have film, tv series or bat reps on systems I want to play that I can be watching instead.
Really enjoy your talking head content and I do think you are underrated as a channel. Keep up the hard work and I hope you get the success your hard work deserves.
Throw-away comment - I appreciate that it isn't worth it financially - but I really miss the old Hellstorm pre-recorded battle reports! A cornerstone for me when i was getting back into the hobby during 8th edition...
It's super interesting to hear a creators take on it. I agree that bricky must have just not been able to see the success he wanted
It sounded tough. Respect to him for giving it a go whilst maintaining his morals
He's also doing merch for other channels..
Whilst I've enjoyed aspects of 10th ed, Honestly, I'm still playing 8th Ed at home (And still enjoy rewatching 8th ed battle reports too!)
The Lexar plug was so so smooth 😂
You have to figure out a niche. Without differentiating yourself you have no shot
Live battle reports suck. Winters SEO style is the way to go. I want to see the minis, otherwise forget it. Also, battle reports should be 90 mins max
Great video. Really cool to see someone elses opinion that's in the bizness, and that it coincides with mine and their pov.
I've always felt like batreps are a bit of an impossible challenge for creators, any video over 10 minutes has an uphill battle against the retention gods of youtube; along side the delicate balance of not editing so much out people can't follow along, but also not leaving too much in it becomes slow and stale... Still gonna have a crack at it though
Market just isn't big enough to have oodles of batrep channels given how time consuming they are to do even at average quality.
You should film some Batreps of kids playing with the models, sure you can find some kids somewhere 😂, my young kids love watching other kids playing on UA-cam, those channels get millions of views!
There are still some good battle report channels. I think a lot of channels die out because they fall back on whining and ranting videos between battle reports. The last thing anyone wants to watch is a grown adult who plays tabletop games for a “living” crying about a toy company while I’m on my way to work lol
Grimdark Brothers shut down this week too. Sad week.
Didn’t know them but that’s really sad
I think it's a symptom of an over saturated market especially for GW games. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the painting channels quitting this year. Channels will need to adapt to stay relevant, especially in such a competitive market.
If you're setting up a channel to make a living, then you'll need to treat it as a new business. The average business will take roughly 3 years to break even, and on average it'll take around 3 years for most UA-cam channel to reach monetization. You'll need to factor in equipment costs, cost of living, possibly studio space and a ton of other additional costs. I would say don't go full time until you can create the same amount after costs as your paid in your current job. I would also say don't try to run before you can walk, don't try to emulate some of the bigger channels. They've been doing YT for years and built up to that standard. Start small and slowly build up.
UA-cam is a more difficult environment to monetize now it seems... but at the same time, my understanding is that 10th ed battles are much less appalling than previous edition ones... Not sure if that is true though.
I feel as though the bubble for certain UA-cam content relating to specialist hobby has burst and its not as profitable as what it used to be. Bat reps especially asits a longer time investment ansd requires a certain level of game knowledge to watch.
Compared to painting or lore videos the production time and expenses is also huge as you need to account for so much in terms of crew and post production.
I remember I got into your channel because of battle reports but respect that times change even though selfishly I’d love more BR content (Apologies for not being a secret millionaire oil dono baron to fuel that selfish dream)
I remember on my channel when I made 2 (low effort/budget) BR reports & it was an eye opener. It took like 2 days to film/edit for 1hr 30 min video 💀 Great fun/experience but jeez… some effort.
Totally agree on burnout & shaking it up. My channel would be classed as bottom pit dead but I’ve found talking/painting different themes keep it fresh & exciting… or it’s a case of last minute oh heck I need to make a low effort video 😂 It’s a hobby within a hobby for me but I respect the pressure of approaching a channel from a job perspective.
P.s shout out to coffee time! Was always a Sunday highlight ☕️ ❤️
Basically… nice video XD
Tbh I hate battle reports, I find them so dull. I watch TTT purely for Beard, Bard, Jinx, Chef and the spider. Battle reports need to be more entertaining or have personalities that are what your there for.
i agree. there is about 4 channels that i find somewhat fun to watch. everything else i honestly have to force my self to watch bvc the videos are so dull. no life in them.
Il happily watch a 3h batrep if its funny players and a bit of narrative thrown in with the game that draws you in
Miniac stopped his gaming streams as well at the end of last year.
I really WANT to love batreps. But a lot of what I see is moving models, measuring, banter and "hits on three, wounds on four", then rolling dice and rolling saves. Yes, that IS warhammer. But it's not fun to watch. It's fun to be in the room and see the players do their thing. To look at their models. But through a screen you lose the interaction, so batreps need to be heavily edited down for me to enjoy them. And even at that point, I find talking content much easier to enjoy. Whether it's strategy, lore, talk about the game in any other way.
Lots of useful info. Thank you for the solid video
Its hard to do interesting to watch batrep. Most storytelling happens in minds of players.
Tis a real shame but I imagine the hours of editing is hell ;(
Short answer: it doesn't pay.
My retort: whatever happened to doing cool stuff for the fun of it instead of whoring oneself for a few bucks?
Bills, responsibilities and pragmatism.
battle reports are unbeleavable boring, u have to invest so much money and time to make them interesting, its not worth it
i agree most channels u have to force my self to watch. then you have other channels where its a joy to watch.
Bat reps seem to be doing worse in general because 10th is less popular. 40K in general just isn’t as fun to watch anymore. Looks like old world bat reps are doing very well though. However that’s probably because it’s new release.
Dice check kinda like set the vibe for how I enjoy playing warhammer early on. Loved them when I was learning to play in 9th. Sad.
Sad to hear that about Chapter Tactics.
I feel like that’s been down for a long time
@@HellstormWargaming I agree but I didn’t realize it until Bricky made the video. Seems like the a lot of stuff fell off of FLG network. Must be a post Covid draw down
Chapter tactics died when Reece stepped away from podcasts.
I think fundamentally 40k, 10th especially, just isn't a particularly interesting game to watch. GW stripped all the flavour out of it which leads to less varied games and less opportunities for emergent narratives to happen while playing. Oh look, the Marine player drew Investigate Signals so he has to send units into the bad behaviour corners for a turn to score points. Whoopdifucking do. For someone watching the game it is a completely meaningless and random interaction that is totally divorced from anything actually happening in-game. And it's not like the brand new detachment system gives the game much variety or narrative spice either, especially when your characters and psykers do One Thing and One Thing only. The days of your farseers being run in all manner of weird kooky weird ways is dead; now man stands behind the Avatar and does his GW-mandated One Ability. Unless he's on a bike, then it's another One Ability. For some reason.
10th is just ass to watch, dude. Not much better to play either, unless you're super new or a garagelord who plays one game every 2 months.
i play at the minimum once a week. 10th is the best edition so far, to play and watch.
This 100%, I really dislike 9th at the end and wanted it gone but I was wrong strats and codex creep killed it. 10th just has no depth whatsoever and I agree it's ok to play but not very interesting to watch.
absolutely. enjoyed 8th and 9th to watch, 10th is like watching ludo with extra naff. I'm honestly surprised more creators are not dropping back to 6th, or 8th, or 9th, to see if they get better draws.
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@@flowinsounds You can see the decline in views across all channels focusing on 40k batrep content over the past 6-12 months. A lot of the smaller channels have outright stated that 40k batrep viewership is declining, but you can also just see it even on the bigger channels like TTT or PlayOnTabletop.
Even batreps focused on new codexes aren't drawing in impressive numbers anymore.
yup. I tried to get a few to keep doing 9th, but no, they were afraid they'd lose viewership unless they stayed 'current'. They forgot that we watch for the vibe and the interest, and chasing GW's race to the bottom isn't compelling
Reacting to drone man is definitely the meta 😂
basically there's no money to be made from battle reports. Why? the game is a mess.The community is a mess. the developers are beyond a mess.
It's time vs revenue.
A full day of filming, another of editing.
Then there's the constant churn of armies and codexes etc.
Unless GW is sending you everything there's no way to not go bankrupt trying to keep up.
@chad534 like I said. The game is a mess and the developers are beyond a mess.
@@Darker1208 I agree was just elaborating.
Yeah maybe youtubers should get real jobs now that the bubble is bursting xD i never thought this line of "business" would be sustainable in like 5 yeara time and with channels poping like mushrooms.
Agree!
This was a shame to hear, but on the other hand you have mountain miniatures old world taking off
Old World has been a very surprising spike in the industry, imo
@@HellstormWargaming their revenue is also offset by a healthy patreon, so they aren't as reliant on youtube
That t-shirt is great
tbh, I don't think wh is meant to be played.
90% of games are bad and decided before they start
the rules are a mess,
setting up games takes forever
turns and dicerolls take way to long and are super boring
and then most games are over in 3 turns
there is a reason why most people in the hobby are not interested in actually playing
The question is why does people watch bat rep at all.
-The game medium is simply very hostile to any form of vlogging unless you are watching a professional level production or are watching top table play to learn from the best.
- i'd be more interested in a perun style powerpoint analysis of the meta and gameplay dynamic with basic circle and shape
'PromoSM' 🤘
Good video