Frankly Royal Enfield doesn't care what bike we like, they build what they like. We have to create a liking to it after they build it because its a Enfield and its charming.. 😄
every single model they made catered to their market. Visually they recreate a retro vintage style, pragmatically they aim for and sell on the Indian market, mostly.
@@benjamin.f.b. Frankly if RE was to start selling in 2022 as a new company they wouldn't sell much in India and they would go bankrupt no one would have understood why they must buy it. Just because RE has been around for 100yrs it has created a liking to the thumper engine.
I'm pretty sure Noraly would have a hard time regressing to the RE, but I bet she has no regrets and only fond memories of her 2 Himalayans. They have their own niche. I personally put 120,000 kms on my Indian Vintage and have just purchased a Himalayan. I have own several other brands as well. KLR, Ninjas, Honda Shadow and Honda Fury. This Himalayan puts a smile on my face!
The Himalayan is road bike (heavier bike with weight down low for stability) and the Honda is a trail bike ( lighter with weight up higher). In windy conditions the Honda will be blown around at speed, whereas the the RE should be stable. Put decent suspension on the Honda for how much? One UA-camr in Oz had a RE valve stem snap at 20 K kilometers last week. Itchy Boots struggled to get parts for her CRF in America.
Whilst I don't own a Himalayan and still thinking about it. For this old man I would find stepping into the Honda would be far more difficult than the low Himalayan. But my real concern would be picking up the H from a drop as its a whopping 400 Lbs plus. I did like your comparison also partnered with a real novice off roader like me.
As someone who own a RE Himalayan and dropped it quite a few times, I would say it is actually not that hard to pick it up. The center of gravity is relatively low. I am quite novice off-roader and I found the low seat height very helpful.
We rejected two ktm 390 advs last year with 147 an 269 miles on the clock in the end, edit px'd my GS for a Himalayan which only made It to 500 miles before it had lots of safety issues. Ended up rejected as well for a full refund an im now on a crf300 rally and all is well in the world.
Guys I like what you are doing here. I have to be honest tho and I mean this with no disrespect but, I dont feel the off-road section was a good way to test these bikes. I feel like if you were to get a little better skilled and more confidence you will have more of a clear cut opinion. I am looking to get a RE myself to compare to the 300Lrally, im curious to see if I get some of the same results/opinions. Overall I watched the whole video because I like what you are doing and I like the commentary between you two. I like the 360 shots at the end.
The Royal Enfield Himalayan is built on the same principles as the Suzuki Van Van and the Yamaha TW's. It's going to be very difficult to fairly compare it to other bikes. It being a Workhorse that is NOT marketed as a Workhorse or a MULE.
Just got back in from my local Cotswolds loop 50miles offroad on my Himalayan and all the same route I used to do on my crf 250 And some of it is enduro bike territory really and the Himi just does it all and plods on
I do like the Honda, if I had an extra $2k, I might have gone with one. I don't know that it would have been worth it though. I'm eager to get to the end and see what you think
Very interesting video, it's worth checking out moto skivens I've just started researching them they don't have a stitched seam where you grip the tank, I'm currently on a vstrom 650xt did a 600 mile day a few weeks back up to around Scotland n back an couldn't fault it for road riding. I'm actually looking at the 300 Rally + Mods or the Himalayan at the moment for a big trip. Thanks for taking the time to share.
I have had Honda's and Royal Enfields.I am currently riding an RE interceptor 650.For me the Honda's would always win because of their better build quality and reliability.
CRF looks great, is much better built. Has a much better dealer network and resale value will be far higher.. I've considered RE as my local Yamaha dealer is now a stockist and they are good value. Will probably stick to my Yamaha MT though...although in reality it barely gets a look in, as my Monkey is much more cool and far more fun 😀
I think you forgot to mention the elephant in the room. The Royal Enfield Himalayan. It weighs almost a hundred pounds more, and yes it goes twice as far with a tank almost double the size of the honda. Bottom line you can improve the Honda's suspension and add carry extra fuel if needed. You can't remove a hundred pounds from the Himalayan, I think I would choose the Honda based on this and half the maintenance. But I still like the Royal Enfields classic styling.
Itchy Boots is riding the CRF300L Rally but she rode the Himalayan from India to Holland and the Honda from Ecuador to Alaska. I have the Rally and really Like it but I am definitely going to upgrade the suspension and the tires.
Is it possible to install the front indicators of Highness on Scram 411 and conty 650? And I mean proper installation so the amber light turns on with ignition as in stock CB350.
You need to ride faster on the CRF. The Honda will blow the Himalayan on gravel and sand. The Honda is way lighter and light is right. You really need to ride both bikes for at least 200 klms to get used to each bike
The RE blows away the Honda in touring, comfort, looks and will practically do everything the Honda does at a slightly slower pace but RE is the clear winner!
These bikes become better with mods. The CRF needs better suspension and fuel tank while the Himi needs seat and handlebar upgrades. And this is where the Himi pulls way ahead in terms of cost and ergonomics. Investing 1500 additional bucks on the CRF no longer makes it cheap. I'm better off picking a mid-sized ADV that offers a lot more for that sort of money.
First of all i will say that himalayan competes with 200, 250cc road bikes in india...while if crf was made here it would atleast 1.5 times costly than himalayan...himalayn is cheaper...then plus points for it would be good ground clearance 220mm with very approachable seat height 800mm...good torque good mileage...while crf 300 is a dirt bike not highly recommended for long rides, touring especially with pillion or luggage...
I'm in the uk and the dealers here are everywhere! It's going to be some time before people realise they are reliable now and don't leak oil, that's just old school news...... Those days have gone my friend 👍
The Honda is made entirely from random looking plastic shapes that seem to have no connection to a motorcycle. The Enfield looks to be made from motorcycle parts and nothing more.
These are very different bikes: one is a dual sport, the other is an adventure bike. The Honda is obviously better off road; however, it has a tiny gas tank and it is not very suitable for mounting any reasonable amount of luggage.
Thanks for taking the time comment 😁 Please leave a thumbs up 👍
No worries keep the content genuine I’ll keep watching no matter how silly.
@@playtime.5526 😁 Thanks buddy 👍
20:21 - ABSOLUTLY no need of that in a bike review.. NONE
Frankly Royal Enfield doesn't care what bike we like, they build what they like. We have to create a liking to it after they build it because its a Enfield and its charming.. 😄
every single model they made catered to their market. Visually they recreate a retro vintage style, pragmatically they aim for and sell on the Indian market, mostly.
@@benjamin.f.b. Frankly if RE was to start selling in 2022 as a new company they wouldn't sell much in India and they would go bankrupt no one would have understood why they must buy it. Just because RE has been around for 100yrs it has created a liking to the thumper engine.
@@KarthikSoun well said!
I think an engine requiring servicing after 3,000 miles tells you how confident RE really are....or should I say "aren't" ...lol.
I'm pretty sure Noraly would have a hard time regressing to the RE, but I bet she has no regrets and only fond memories of her 2 Himalayans. They have their own niche. I personally put 120,000 kms on my Indian Vintage and have just purchased a Himalayan. I have own several other brands as well. KLR, Ninjas, Honda Shadow and Honda Fury. This Himalayan puts a smile on my face!
Royal Enfield has the look for me modern retro.
Great comparison. Nice to see Fen Tour back on the channel 👍
The one thing Royal Enfield have done has made all the other manufacturers choose torque. They've made the long stroke fashionable
Your banter and editing back and forth between riders really makes this video great!
The Himalayan is road bike (heavier bike with weight down low for stability) and the Honda is a trail bike ( lighter with weight up higher). In windy conditions the Honda will be blown around at speed, whereas the the RE should be stable. Put decent suspension on the Honda for how much? One UA-camr in Oz had a RE valve stem snap at 20 K kilometers last week. Itchy Boots struggled to get parts for her CRF in America.
Itchy Boots rode a Himalayan when she started now she rides a Honda 300 L
It's crf300 rally
Not all choices are sensibel…… but sponsored
@@migue018and?
At last a real comparison review thank you for sharing your findings.
Cheers buddy
Himalayan is a do it all bike, groceries too. But CRF, am never taking that bike to market.
Sadly the my pervy underwear secret is out! Great edit Alan. 👍
Cheers Mate what a great day 😁
@@HelmetHead was awesome, cheers.
I find the seat on my CRF L an ass killer after 30 mins, padded under crackers help but still like sitting on a school gym bench 😬
Whilst I don't own a Himalayan and still thinking about it. For this old man I would find stepping into the Honda would be far more difficult than the low Himalayan. But my real concern would be picking up the H from a drop as its a whopping 400 Lbs plus.
I did like your comparison also partnered with a real novice off roader like me.
As someone who own a RE Himalayan and dropped it quite a few times, I would say it is actually not that hard to pick it up. The center of gravity is relatively low. I am quite novice off-roader and I found the low seat height very helpful.
Its like a tank, you dont drop it much as the centre of gravity so low...
the only thing I don't like is the 3000 Mike service intervals on the RE
you can do it yourself for £20 oil & filter......30 minutes with a cup of tea!
'back door pants' LOL - alan what are you like!
Great vid - well done!
🤣😂 Cheers dude 👍
We rejected two ktm 390 advs last year with 147 an 269 miles on the clock in the end, edit px'd my GS for a Himalayan which only made It to 500 miles before it had lots of safety issues. Ended up rejected as well for a full refund an im now on a crf300 rally and all is well in the world.
Guys I like what you are doing here. I have to be honest tho and I mean this with no disrespect but, I dont feel the off-road section was a good way to test these bikes. I feel like if you were to get a little better skilled and more confidence you will have more of a clear cut opinion. I am looking to get a RE myself to compare to the 300Lrally, im curious to see if I get some of the same results/opinions. Overall I watched the whole video because I like what you are doing and I like the commentary between you two. I like the 360 shots at the end.
The Royal Enfield Himalayan is built on the same principles
as the Suzuki Van Van and the Yamaha TW's.
It's going to be very difficult to fairly compare it to other bikes.
It being a Workhorse that is NOT marketed as a Workhorse or a MULE.
Just got back in from my local Cotswolds loop 50miles offroad on my Himalayan and all the same route I used to do on my crf 250
And some of it is enduro bike territory really and the Himi just does it all and plods on
The Himalayan is a mule, whereas the Honda is a stallion.
The Honda is a funky pony. Africa Twin and Transalps...stallions
The Himalayan is a donkey. The KLR is a mule.
I do like the Honda, if I had an extra $2k, I might have gone with one. I don't know that it would have been worth it though. I'm eager to get to the end and see what you think
Stick with it Alan, you’ve got this!
😁 cheers buddy
Very interesting video, it's worth checking out moto skivens I've just started researching them they don't have a stitched seam where you grip the tank, I'm currently on a vstrom 650xt did a 600 mile day a few weeks back up to around Scotland n back an couldn't fault it for road riding.
I'm actually looking at the 300 Rally + Mods or the Himalayan at the moment for a big trip. Thanks for taking the time to share.
I have had Honda's and Royal Enfields.I am currently riding an RE interceptor 650.For me the Honda's would always win because of their better build quality and reliability.
Always true
Totally true
One is a lightweight dual sport .One is a middle to lightweight ADV bike .Big difference.Itchy Boots broke her 300 R Honda just the same.
I would say RE are very close now to Honda in terms of quality.
Not hardly.
CRF looks great, is much better built. Has a much better dealer network and resale value will be far higher.. I've considered RE as my local Yamaha dealer is now a stockist and they are good value. Will probably stick to my Yamaha MT though...although in reality it barely gets a look in, as my Monkey is much more cool and far more fun 😀
It isn't better built by any means.Kickstamd broke off on Noraly.And the Honda lacks the grunt necessary for relaxed ADV.
This is all true. I know a lot of people agree, but it just doesn't have the quirky charm that the Himalayan has. I know, its only a machine...
The CRF is plastic! The Himalayan is a steel horse
@@Dobzie795 Which is why the Honda is more expensive than the RE.
@@Leafster1973Hondas 6:25 are more expensive because they are quality proven machines. They don't break.
😆@8:58 "to be honest, I eat too many pies." 💀 I love the honesty so much. Thanks HH.
my himalayan easily achieves 94mpg ......and thats not dordling
Sounds impressive. Must be imperial! The imperial gallon is 4.54 litres compared to 3.79 liters us.
I think you forgot to mention the elephant in the room. The Royal Enfield Himalayan. It weighs almost a hundred pounds more, and yes it goes twice as far with a tank almost double the size of the honda. Bottom line you can improve the Honda's suspension and add carry extra fuel if needed. You can't remove a hundred pounds from the Himalayan, I think I would choose the Honda based on this and half the maintenance. But I still like the Royal Enfields classic styling.
hows the RE himalayan on reliability??
Isn't the honda crf 300 what itchy boots is riding now 🤔. Great video as always 👍
Yep I believe so.
yeh, she likes it - it's lighter for her to pick up if she drops it and the service intervals are great.
Itchy Boots is riding the CRF300L Rally but she rode the Himalayan from India to Holland and the Honda from Ecuador to Alaska. I have the Rally and really Like it but I am definitely going to upgrade the suspension and the tires.
Thanks for sharing.
The Honda was squat, too much. Yes for weighty riders, you need an upgraded rear suspension.
If there is 1500 quid difference, I would get the Royal Enfield. It is more of a proper all round motorbike.
Is it possible to install the front indicators of Highness on Scram 411 and conty 650? And I mean proper installation so the amber light turns on with ignition as in stock CB350.
You need to ride faster on the CRF. The Honda will blow the Himalayan on gravel and sand. The Honda is way lighter and light is right. You really need to ride both bikes for at least 200 klms to get used to each bike
The RE blows away the Honda in touring, comfort, looks and will practically do everything the Honda does at a slightly slower pace but RE is the clear winner!
@Rest Day Rider - right decision
What about klr 650....or Suzuki dr400 or 600
Side note:. The CRF is ugly as sin.
Way better looking than the RE.
These bikes become better with mods. The CRF needs better suspension and fuel tank while the Himi needs seat and handlebar upgrades. And this is where the Himi pulls way ahead in terms of cost and ergonomics. Investing 1500 additional bucks on the CRF no longer makes it cheap. I'm better off picking a mid-sized ADV that offers a lot more for that sort of money.
First of all i will say that himalayan competes with 200, 250cc road bikes in india...while if crf was made here it would atleast 1.5 times costly than himalayan...himalayn is cheaper...then plus points for it would be good ground clearance 220mm with very approachable seat height 800mm...good torque good mileage...while crf 300 is a dirt bike not highly recommended for long rides, touring especially with pillion or luggage...
Why not Honda CRF 300 Rally?
The off-road test was not effective: the two bikes mount different kind of tires.
Wouldn't bother with Royal Oilfield I've read horror stories about their customer service
Nonsense they are as good or better build quality than anything else.Cheaper easier to self service.
I'm in the uk and the dealers here are everywhere! It's going to be some time before people realise they are reliable now and don't leak oil, that's just old school news...... Those days have gone my friend 👍
Rubbish
@@deltabluesdavidrayeBetter quality than Honda😂 you must be on crack.
The Honda is made entirely from random looking plastic shapes that seem to have no connection to a motorcycle. The Enfield looks to be made from motorcycle parts and nothing more.
Oii Matey....🙂
Bullcrap a modern Enfield doesn't leak oil whatsoever.
Enfield love
Great video and great comparison. Can I ask where these tracks are located in the UK please?
These are very different bikes: one is a dual sport, the other is an adventure bike. The Honda is obviously better off road; however, it has a tiny gas tank and it is not very suitable for mounting any reasonable amount of luggage.