If they consider it just a sandbox when the coast guard or aquatic police ask for credentials simply tell them it’s not a boat, it’s a sandbox here’s my paperwork!
@@davidkermes376 Anything under 10hp doesn't need to be licensed in most places, especially if powered by an electric motor. Is it that much different in Minnesota?
here in NJ one of the most heavily regulated states in the country, you can register just about anything so long as you show you are wearing a life vest.
Maybe try: Start the process over. The boat is wood with foam floatation. Raw materials by their definition. Don't use the words tuggy or sandbox. The hull is wood and foam. Once that's registered, tuggy is just the *seat*. Once you've built the boat, you can install any seat you want. If the seat happens to be plastic and shaped like a little boat, so what. It's just a seat.
1. Look up what states this would be legal to register in. 2. Find a friend that lives in that state. 3. Sell to that friend in that state. 4. Have your friend register it in their state. 5. Barrow it from your friend for an unforseen extended period of time. 6. Send your friend gift cards as a thank you for letting you barrow it to the sum of what all this may have cost your friend. 6. Let me ride in it.
Just glue wood strips around the exterior and take new pictures. Say you "laminated" the boat with wood, just like fiberglass boats are laminated. Covers the raw materials the guy talks about...
use it as a mold, cut up plastic barrels and use a heat gun to shape them to look like tuggy, picture document the entire process and THEN try to register it.
-Try through the DMV. -remove foam and plywood base. Along with foam filler. Register that. Use Tuggy as a seat. - Let me try in Wisconsin -Every time you want to take it out, send in your check. Make a “catamaran boat” with 2 barrels and a pallet and register that. Once registered, put Tuggy in the center.
Just take it out on the water and if they pull you over say it not a boat. It’s a Sandbox. Have prof saying it is just a sandbox that floats and is motorized and that it does not have to be registered. They gave you a cheat to not have pay registration fee.
this seems like people exercising power for no reason. your craft clearly fits the spirit of the law, and they are putting their foot down on an inconsistent definition of "retro-fit". He even admits, on video, that if you had framed (figuratively, not literally) you building the boat in a different way, it would be fine.
It might be a hassle, but I would just cover it in fiberglass then try to register it as a fiberglass boat. I think you need shirts with a pic of Tuggy on it that say NOT A BOAT.
No need to register it. It’s just a sandbox. It’s like if you go swimming with your flip flop… or the same as a plastic inflating bed used for the summer. Just take it and have fun
Only problem with that is when someone decides to complain about a guy in a kid's toy and calls the police . If you have the registration end of argument. But now he will need to show the paper he filed and hopefully the officer doesn't decide to claim if you can't register it you can't use it. So maybe get a piece of paper from dnr that no registration is required for that water craft.
This seems like one of those cases where somebody just decided arbitrarily that they didn't like the idea for whatever reason. Try again in a year or two, maybe that person will have been replaced and it'll get approved.
If you said someone has registered something about the same in another state, could you try giving it it to someone to do just that and then "buying it" and transferring it back to Minnesota? Or maybe just doing that yourself? Not personally sure how boat registration works, but I've heard of the "Vermont Loophole" for cars that aren't allowed to be registered in the home state but can be transferred for some reason
Listening to his description if you build a raft or hull and slap tuggy on top as decoration/seat you would probably pass. It's the fact tuggy is being used structurally that they won't pass you
Yeah, I should have just registered the styrofoam and plywood as a motorized surfboard. Except the manager was mystified as to why anyone would want a motorized surfboard :-P
They have no idea how much awesomeness is involved with this... My suggestion would be to upgrade the base with a couple of balancing barrels, and make Tuggy detachable..say it's just a cover then. And keep applying.. :)
Getting a straight answer out of a government department challenge, IMPOSSIBLE. If you melted tuggy down and remolded it into the exact same shape, would it be considered raw materials then? Lol Your enjoyment of the project (despite setbacks) is contagious, good stuff
I see Tuggy's role as being a blockade runner bringing contraband across Lake Pepin from Wisconsin. How bout cargos of Spotted Cow beer? (only available here). If the Revenuers give chase you can quickly drink the cargo. Then blow scuttling charges on Tuggy and when he refuses to sink proudly say "Now that IS A BOAT".
The problem is, they perceived your application as a challenge to their authoritah. They don't plan to stand down without a fight but if you win expect frequent traffic stops and maybe an audit.
tuggy can always be an oversized remote control boat... one that happens to be able to carry a human. whether or not that human is the one remotely controlling it is up to you ;)
@@saveitforparts My friend and I just watched your video. We are from Iowa, and just out of spite for regulations, I'd almost be willing to put in the effort to literally make a fiberglass mold of Tuggy, then you could register it with the receipts showing it was made of raw materials.
"We are Government. We don't have to make sense!" Are there any Bars, Pubs or restaurants that are familiar with you and your creations that might be willing to suspend it from a wall or ceiling if you donate it to them? A place in Chino Ca has the front of a Peterbuilt attached to the wall surrounded with tables for dining, and a Formula One race car! Great atmosphere! 👌
You should take a boat that has been registered previously, put the tuggy where you would sit to control the boat, and send them pictures trying to register that. It's sort of the same thing.
The issue is that the clear intent as stated by DNR at @6:44 is that the "Boat" has to be safe to operate. A boat made of Drums is probably safe since the Drums are known to (usually) be waterproof but Sandboxes are not (usually) waterproof. But DNR did a terrible job in explaining the underlying reason for their refusal to register it.
As a youtube project, this is the best outcome for content...as others say, it isn't a boat, so you don't need to register it. If any police on the water give you grief let them write you a ticket for operating a non-boat on the water and you will have another video. I can't imagine the fine for operating a floating vessel without registration is more than $37.
I once had a neighbor successfully register an HDPE box truck (one of those push bins for hauling trash or whatnot) with a plywood transom screwed to one side as a boat. And I almost got around to trying to register a modified truck cap as a boat, but didn't have the time to deal with the paperwork and the DMV. I bet that some beauraucrat saw this as too whimsical, got all angry and bitter over it, and made it their mission to reject this at all costs.
A couple thoughts- 1) Calling it a sand box might have been an error. It is and always was a plastic boat. You could chose to put sand on it, or not, but it came from the factory as a boat. 2) "you need to show receipts, can only use certain materials, etc.." this is getting pretty arbitrary. Those guys are there to enforce the laws that the legislature has charged them with enforcing. Their job is not to make new laws. Legally, what is the definition of a boat, and what is it required to have in terms of buoyancy, occupancy limits, and safety equipment? If you meet those requirements, it doesn't matter if it's made paper mache, used lollipop stems, or a floating refrigerator. It's their job to start processing your paperwork. I'd make at least one call to an attorney. If you find a lawyer who also likes boats, he might be willing to help you out. I'd also call the ACLU, and some of the other legal groups that love going after executive branch agents who make up the law as they go.
so Tuggy did not come from the factory as a boat wherein the maker would be responsible for any drowned sailors, this is about liability. If you bang some barrels and a pallet together you become the responsible party when you claimed it was a boat leaving your family no one to sue, pallet makers make pallets, barrel makers make barrels, sand box makers make sandboxes, DNR will not put themselves top of the list to sue for saying it was a boat.
If they dont want to register it. Thats all yours now and you can have fun with it Registering is giving away full complete ownership. Cant wait to meet for your boat to meet my tiny boat.
😀🤣😂🤣😀🤣🤣😂🤣😀 You Sotas give us Wisconsinites so much ammo! LoL You guys rock! Maybe your DNR is looking at the ability of premolded plastic barrels to be pressurized, as to a blowmolded tuggy. Maybe if the tuggy was filled with foam and sealed? This was the best stuff on yt as far as I'm concerned 😬 that tuggy looks fine to me.
My suggestion to you is take 2 of your kayaks mount them on Tuggy ( she’s now a cab for a boat ) and register it as a catamaran and don’t mention Tuggy ! Tell them it’s 2 boats mounted together !
You should convert Tuggy to ride the abandoned railroad tracks! What you need to do is get some t-shrits made of you piloting Tuggy with your sailors cap and beard!
Unbelievable. They turned down your 37 bucks. I'd forward the link to this video to your state representative and state senator. If that dosen't work, start a go fund me to pay the fine if you get caught. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, guess what? It's a duck.
Do you have to register that because of the motor? In Louisiana that boat is too small without the motor to need to be registered and with a motor would need to be registered.
Does Minnesota not have a registration exemption based on motor size? In my state, outboards under a certain hp don't need to be titled. And vessels under 10ft are a $10 fee for registration.
Blue barrels are made of the same material as a toggy and blue barrels are blow molded and I believe the tuggy sandbox is probably a little more durable than blue barrels because it's made for kids and we all know kids can destroy a lot of things
Greetings from Australia! Im currently building same thing. I'm curious, is the cavity under your boat completely air tight? What did you use, to complete seal it off?
The cavity on mine is open on the bottom. I filled it with spray foam and then put some rigid foam and hard plastic on the bottom below that. The extra foam and plastic helps keep the bottom from bowing and deforming when my big American rear end sits in it :-) I have a build video here: ua-cam.com/video/gKPx86pFYvI/v-deo.html
Wait, how is a trolling motor raw materials? Are the deck and foam you added insufficient raw materials? Mount Tuggy on top of every boat you register in the future, try to frame the pictures that you send in so that Tuggy appears to be at the waterline and providing buoyancy.
Alternate suggestion (if you want to test the DNR's patience): Put some lead-acid batteries in a barrel as ballast (to keep it from rolling), mount a transom and trolling motor on it. Register it. Make sure that the photos clearly show that it has no keel, and no convenient seating, that it is just a barrel with a trolling motor attached.
@@saveitforparts you definitely should. You might become the first person in history to have a red flag in their file at the DNR, but it will absolutely be worth it.
(from Cambridge Dictionary) 'raw material noun ... any material, such as oil, cotton, or sugar, in its natural condition, before it has been processed for use:' A barrel is NOT a 'raw material'. BTW - I think 'Tuggy' is/was adorable. ☮
I live in Germany, so I guess I’m used to this kind of „random“ rules and unwillingness for deviation, but for me this sounds simple. Only Boats build from „raw“ materials. Empty barrels count as raw material, anything other plastic molded will only count, if u tell them what they want to hear and as long it’s not the only one big part what makes ur build a boat in the end 😁 crazy that u can get a official approval for a selfmade pallet and barrel boat, by literally telling ur authority’s u build it from trash u found somewhere 😂 Amerika is great in so many ways 😄
I feel your pain. A Viking funeral for Tuggy? Are canoes registered in Minn? Maybe you can just get a watercraft sticker. I don’t think canoes are registered. As it’s so small maybe it’s in the same category as a small inflatable raft. I built a tube frame sandrail and when I went to get it registered the dmv wanted every receipt and wanted to title it. They wanted me to go through a huge process to prove no one else owned it prior to me and put money in hold for 2years. I went to the local motorcycle shop purchased an off-road sticker, registered it, 20.00 later I could legally use it at the dunes…
Canoes or other human-powered boats don't have to be registered as long as they're under 10ft, but anything with a motor needs a sticker here. I should have just gone to the DMV and confused the teenagers running the desk :-P
I feel like they are hung up on the fact that it's a "boat shaped sandbox" more so than the fact that its a sandbox.. if it were say.. a turtle sandbox that you turned into a watercraft I wonder if it would be the same outcome. what about people that turn cars into boats.. or ever see the semi truck with pontoons on it? how were them able to be turned into watercraft? but maybe none of these were licensed in Minnesota though either. I had issues with getting a title for a bayliner boat I bought years ago.. nothing I could do to get the DMV to assist on getting it resolved. so all I did to get it licensed was to say it was a home built boat.. they were fine with that.. (I also live in MN)
you have to follow the money. they are worried about someone seeing it, buying a sandbox, putting a motor on it, calling it a boat and registering it, sailing it out onto lake superior and when they get injured or killed, sue the state for allowing them to be knuckleheads. My point is you tried to market it as a sandbox tugboat boat, sent in pictures of the sandbox and want a registration sticker for it which makes the state somewhat responsible. If you would of sent pictures of the foam bottom and motor, taken off the yellow part, maybe put some chloroplast sides up to cover up the sandbox, they would of approved it as a homemade boat. If you then take all that chloroplast off, and make it look like the tuggy afterwards, that is your business and when you hurt yourself and try and sue the state for allowing you to register it, then they can come back and say that is not what we registered, see here are the pics.
I understand why, it’s a kids toy, so they don’t want to say it’s a watercraft, if a kid sees you on the water in it they may say “hey I have a tuggy I didn’t know it could actually float” then they drown because they didn’t have additional foam, there’s a amount of liability there for who ever approved it. If you put that tuggy on the pallets and barrels out of the water and it was clear it was not it’s soul buoyancy then they would most likely approve it
Can you register it out of state and operate it in Wisconsin? Otherwise, I'd got for the torpedo practice. Let me know if you need help building a torpoedo
Yo, just making sure you're aware, GUIDELINES for boats (as well as the paperwork you were sent) DOES NOT mention NOR define material manufactures. I.E. when you're sending in paperwork on Tuggy, it's not "withholding information" to call Tuggy a plastic flotation device. In other words, who said Tuggy is the HELM of the boat? Add two pieces of 2x4 and all of a sudden wording is key. -How do you know it was ever a sandbox? Could have been used by your neighbors as a baby pool float and you were unaware it was ever meant to hold sand :) Description - " Vessel made from raw material and household goods. Wooden planks affixed to large 3x5 floating foam and plastic flotation device. Closed cell foam added to floatation platform for buoyancy. Trolling motor attached to rear of "vessel" using wooden platform secured to vessel's base." See how I didn't lie one time? (Yet didn't mention Tuggy) :)
You could go to the DMV and try again, follow the rules, say that it is built from raw materials and has a fascia of coloured plastic made from cut up found materials. Given how govt departments don't talk to each other you might get away with it. I love tuggy. By the way, we don't have all of those silly rules here on most waterways, I don't think you need to register any kind of day boat. And there is no enforcement. "Ship" it to the UK and I will sort it out!
Its crazy that you guys in the usa in some states have almost no rules and technical inspections on cars, if your car has bad brakes you can easily kill someone else. But if you want to build a boat that can slowly drive around on water you have to register it. Here in Germany its hard to register modifications on your car, especially if they are homemade and every two years your car needs to go to an inspection. And if police find you driving your car in a non roadworthy state its no fun. But any boats under 3 horsepower are free game here, and boats up to 15hp (and some other limitations on size) are license free.
Register Tuggy in a Tuggy friendly state while enjoying the damn BOAT already... I assume it is legal to use a BOAT even if the boat is registered in another state. I would imagine any registration done by one state needs to be taken over by the next...
Thousands of neighborhoods in this _'sea to shining sea'_ country have a small lake in them to up property values as "On the water." Sell Tuggy on EBAY as a kid's boat for use on a *small* lake! But for a neighborhood lake, private with no public access.
Too bad I didn't rank to Admiral. I would have some clout to say this is okay. I do know a guy in another state, though. If anything, build a separate boat out of your 'raw materials' and install tuggy as a 'plastic seat'. Keep up the awesome.
It's a government agency, in the US those are always stuck 20-30 years in the past. Heck, some places still want you to fax documents to them, and I once went to a DMV that was cash-only.
If they consider it just a sandbox when the coast guard or aquatic police ask for credentials simply tell them it’s not a boat, it’s a sandbox here’s my paperwork!
I love this
not with a motor with out a motor yes we do not have the 50cc law on water i wish we did cuz i would makes some pretty funny stuff and sell them
Upside is, if it isnt a boat per the dnr. Then no need to license it. .there are electric powered float tubes
in minnesota those need registration too. this is becoming a state where if it isn't licensed it's probably illegal and if it's legal it's compulsory.
@@davidkermes376 Anything under 10hp doesn't need to be licensed in most places, especially if powered by an electric motor. Is it that much different in Minnesota?
@@TheBingle Minnesota is tyrannical af when it comes to dnr stuff
here in NJ one of the most heavily regulated states in the country, you can register just about anything so long as you show you are wearing a life vest.
Everything is legal in New Jersey. -Hamilton
Maybe try: Start the process over. The boat is wood with foam floatation. Raw materials by their definition. Don't use the words tuggy or sandbox. The hull is wood and foam. Once that's registered, tuggy is just the *seat*. Once you've built the boat, you can install any seat you want. If the seat happens to be plastic and shaped like a little boat, so what. It's just a seat.
thats actually really smart
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Start the process again like he said but go to a private DMV. EDIT: just realised how old this video and comment is lol
DO IT LIKE HE SAID
1. Look up what states this would be legal to register in. 2. Find a friend that lives in that state. 3. Sell to that friend in that state. 4. Have your friend register it in their state. 5. Barrow it from your friend for an unforseen extended period of time. 6. Send your friend gift cards as a thank you for letting you barrow it to the sum of what all this may have cost your friend. 6. Let me ride in it.
does that actually work? Asking for a friend
Does it really though? I'm asking for this guys friend.
Or why not just try selling it to your buddy and have him register it as a new boat that he bought in a private sale lol
Just glue wood strips around the exterior and take new pictures. Say you "laminated" the boat with wood, just like fiberglass boats are laminated. Covers the raw materials the guy talks about...
Tuggy is an autonomous and independent sovereign mobile island and you are the king. I think you have diplomatic immunity.
We need some JUSTICE FOR TUGGY t-shirts
With a nice innocent smiling Tuggy front and center.
use it as a mold, cut up plastic barrels and use a heat gun to shape them to look like tuggy, picture document the entire process and THEN try to register it.
That's a cool idea, I'd watch that!
Ofc then they have to register tuggy.
@@zacotial not tuggy, the NEW one made from barrels. that way it's technically "found items" even if it looks like tuggy.
-Try through the DMV.
-remove foam and plywood base. Along with foam filler. Register that. Use Tuggy as a seat.
- Let me try in Wisconsin
-Every time you want to take it out, send in your check.
Make a “catamaran boat” with 2 barrels and a pallet and register that. Once registered, put Tuggy in the center.
Use Tuggy as a mold to make another Tuggy, out of fiberglass. LOL
I thought exactly the same thing.
Just take it out on the water and if they pull you over say it not a boat. It’s a Sandbox. Have prof saying it is just a sandbox that floats and is motorized and that it does not have to be registered. They gave you a cheat to not have pay registration fee.
this seems like people exercising power for no reason. your craft clearly fits the spirit of the law, and they are putting their foot down on an inconsistent definition of "retro-fit". He even admits, on video, that if you had framed (figuratively, not literally) you building the boat in a different way, it would be fine.
The mental gymnastics of claiming its TOTALLY DIFFERENT to a drum boat lmao
It might be a hassle, but I would just cover it in fiberglass then try to register it as a fiberglass boat. I think you need shirts with a pic of Tuggy on it that say NOT A BOAT.
Ha, the shirt sounds like a fun idea. I have some more thought for using Tuggy this summer, if I have time for it!
Oh my god man. I cannot believe this dude's patience.
No need to register it. It’s just a sandbox. It’s like if you go swimming with your flip flop… or the same as a plastic inflating bed used for the summer. Just take it and have fun
Only problem with that is when someone decides to complain about a guy in a kid's toy and calls the police . If you have the registration end of argument. But now he will need to show the paper he filed and hopefully the officer doesn't decide to claim if you can't register it you can't use it. So maybe get a piece of paper from dnr that no registration is required for that water craft.
Adding a motor usually changes that definition unfortunately. Even if the motor is roughly as powerful as a leg hair trimmer.
@@joetcacciola gotcha
Like an aircraft, you can register it as a experimental water craft! 😱😁👍👍🇺🇲
This seems like one of those cases where somebody just decided arbitrarily that they didn't like the idea for whatever reason. Try again in a year or two, maybe that person will have been replaced and it'll get approved.
If you said someone has registered something about the same in another state, could you try giving it it to someone to do just that and then "buying it" and transferring it back to Minnesota? Or maybe just doing that yourself? Not personally sure how boat registration works, but I've heard of the "Vermont Loophole" for cars that aren't allowed to be registered in the home state but can be transferred for some reason
man if "Vermont Loophole" doesn't sound dirty, I don't know what does.
Listening to his description if you build a raft or hull and slap tuggy on top as decoration/seat you would probably pass. It's the fact tuggy is being used structurally that they won't pass you
Yeah, I should have just registered the styrofoam and plywood as a motorized surfboard. Except the manager was mystified as to why anyone would want a motorized surfboard :-P
They have no idea how much awesomeness is involved with this... My suggestion would be to upgrade the base with a couple of balancing barrels, and make Tuggy detachable..say it's just a cover then. And keep applying.. :)
"A few little hitches ..." LOL!
PS. I love it when you can send your letters by putting it in your mailbox.
As can you? Pretty confused that you don’t know you can mail things in your mail box.
@@joshuasprinkles3490 I once tried to send a pizza to a hundry friend through a fax machine ... didn't go that well.
Getting a straight answer out of a government department challenge, IMPOSSIBLE. If you melted tuggy down and remolded it into the exact same shape, would it be considered raw materials then? Lol
Your enjoyment of the project (despite setbacks) is contagious, good stuff
I see Tuggy's role as being a blockade runner bringing contraband across Lake Pepin from Wisconsin. How bout cargos of Spotted Cow beer? (only available here). If the Revenuers give chase you can quickly drink the cargo. Then blow scuttling charges on Tuggy and when he refuses to sink proudly say "Now that IS A BOAT".
The problem is, they perceived your application as a challenge to their authoritah. They don't plan to stand down without a fight but if you win expect frequent traffic stops and maybe an audit.
"Not being used for its intended purposes."
"Thank you, I'll take that as a compliment."
napkin bill of sale killed me bro lmao
tuggy can always be an oversized remote control boat... one that happens to be able to carry a human. whether or not that human is the one remotely controlling it is up to you ;)
Maybe an RC Tuggy that can tow me in a kayak... And if they get upset I can pull out a regular small R/C boat and tow myself with that :-P
@@saveitforparts there you go!
@@saveitforparts My friend and I just watched your video. We are from Iowa, and just out of spite for regulations, I'd almost be willing to put in the effort to literally make a fiberglass mold of Tuggy, then you could register it with the receipts showing it was made of raw materials.
How rediculous, I don't honestly know how you held it together so well on the phone. Lol
What a story, thank you for sharing it with us. Maybe convert it into an aircraft.
"We are Government. We don't have to make sense!"
Are there any Bars, Pubs or restaurants that are familiar with you and your creations that might be willing to suspend it from a wall or ceiling if you donate it to them? A place in Chino Ca has the front of a Peterbuilt attached to the wall surrounded with tables for dining, and a Formula One race car! Great atmosphere! 👌
You should take a boat that has been registered previously, put the tuggy where you would sit to control the boat, and send them pictures trying to register that. It's sort of the same thing.
The issue is that the clear intent as stated by DNR at @6:44 is that the "Boat" has to be safe to operate.
A boat made of Drums is probably safe since the Drums are known to (usually) be waterproof but Sandboxes are not (usually) waterproof.
But DNR did a terrible job in explaining the underlying reason for their refusal to register it.
I asked if I could demonstrate that's it's buoyant, stable, and effectively unsinkable due to the foam, but they wouldn't go for that either :-(
As a youtube project, this is the best outcome for content...as others say, it isn't a boat, so you don't need to register it. If any police on the water give you grief let them write you a ticket for operating a non-boat on the water and you will have another video. I can't imagine the fine for operating a floating vessel without registration is more than $37.
So lesson learned: get 5-8 different Tuggys, cut them up, and make a single tuggy out of it.
I once had a neighbor successfully register an HDPE box truck (one of those push bins for hauling trash or whatnot) with a plywood transom screwed to one side as a boat. And I almost got around to trying to register a modified truck cap as a boat, but didn't have the time to deal with the paperwork and the DMV.
I bet that some beauraucrat saw this as too whimsical, got all angry and bitter over it, and made it their mission to reject this at all costs.
A couple thoughts-
1) Calling it a sand box might have been an error. It is and always was a plastic boat. You could chose to put sand on it, or not, but it came from the factory as a boat.
2) "you need to show receipts, can only use certain materials, etc.." this is getting pretty arbitrary. Those guys are there to enforce the laws that the legislature has charged them with enforcing. Their job is not to make new laws. Legally, what is the definition of a boat, and what is it required to have in terms of buoyancy, occupancy limits, and safety equipment? If you meet those requirements, it doesn't matter if it's made paper mache, used lollipop stems, or a floating refrigerator. It's their job to start processing your paperwork.
I'd make at least one call to an attorney. If you find a lawyer who also likes boats, he might be willing to help you out. I'd also call the ACLU, and some of the other legal groups that love going after executive branch agents who make up the law as they go.
so Tuggy did not come from the factory as a boat wherein the maker would be responsible for any drowned sailors, this is about liability. If you bang some barrels and a pallet together you become the responsible party when you claimed it was a boat leaving your family no one to sue, pallet makers make pallets, barrel makers make barrels, sand box makers make sandboxes, DNR will not put themselves top of the list to sue for saying it was a boat.
Just register it via the kid at the dmv. Then you'll be registered and dnr bureaucrats won't feel responsible.
Yes, they seem to hate the sandbox 😅
Ron Swanson strategy:1) become director of MN DNR. 2) write note to self saying "I can do this." 3) eat Tom.
If they dont want to register it. Thats all yours now and you can have fun with it
Registering is giving away full complete ownership.
Cant wait to meet for your boat to meet my tiny boat.
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You Sotas give us Wisconsinites so much ammo! LoL
You guys rock!
Maybe your DNR is looking at the ability of premolded plastic barrels to be pressurized, as to a blowmolded tuggy.
Maybe if the tuggy was filled with foam and sealed?
This was the best stuff on yt as far as I'm concerned 😬 that tuggy looks fine to me.
My suggestion to you is take 2 of your kayaks mount them on Tuggy ( she’s now a cab for a boat ) and register it as a catamaran and don’t mention Tuggy ! Tell them it’s 2 boats mounted together !
Heh, One of the guys on the phone said they don't like multiple boats stuck together :-P I think he's on to ya :-D
@@saveitforparts call them pontoons then !
@@saveitforparts there not licensed right ! No record ! No problem !
Looks like a excellent sub . Put a plexiglass dome on it, and use the hull for ballist.
You should convert Tuggy to ride the abandoned railroad tracks! What you need to do is get some t-shrits made of you piloting Tuggy with your sailors cap and beard!
put some outriggers on it and it becomes raw material for another boat instead of a retrofit sandbox.
See you on Sunday Schuyler
Unbelievable. They turned down your 37 bucks. I'd forward the link to this video to your state representative and state senator. If that dosen't work, start a go fund me to pay the fine if you get caught. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, guess what? It's a duck.
Poor Tuggy just wants to be a real boat.
Can you register in another state and bring it home?
Instead of calling at the sandpit... you should have told them but it was a blow moulded double skin polyethylene custom hull 😂
Do you have to register that because of the motor? In Louisiana that boat is too small without the motor to need to be registered and with a motor would need to be registered.
Yeah supposed to register anything with a motor
Does Minnesota not have a registration exemption based on motor size?
In my state, outboards under a certain hp don't need to be titled. And vessels under 10ft are a $10 fee for registration.
From what I can find, any motorized boat regardless of size has to be registered here.
Blue barrels are made of the same material as a toggy and blue barrels are blow molded and I believe the tuggy sandbox is probably a little more durable than blue barrels because it's made for kids and we all know kids can destroy a lot of things
Cut it into horizontal strips with a sawzall and zip-tie it back together? The shell was now a raw material to build a boat out of. Friggin red tape.
This video should be called "Sheep-mind VS hacker-mind". It's THE perfect example!.
Make it radio-controlled (RC boat)👍
Considering making it an RC boat that tows kayaks :-)
It may not B used in a public water way but in a farm pond, private lake, ect. ect. located on private land it would be no problem.
Greetings from Australia!
Im currently building same thing.
I'm curious, is the cavity under your boat completely air tight?
What did you use, to complete seal it off?
The cavity on mine is open on the bottom. I filled it with spray foam and then put some rigid foam and hard plastic on the bottom below that. The extra foam and plastic helps keep the bottom from bowing and deforming when my big American rear end sits in it :-)
I have a build video here: ua-cam.com/video/gKPx86pFYvI/v-deo.html
Wait, how is a trolling motor raw materials?
Are the deck and foam you added insufficient raw materials?
Mount Tuggy on top of every boat you register in the future, try to frame the pictures that you send in so that Tuggy appears to be at the waterline and providing buoyancy.
Alternate suggestion (if you want to test the DNR's patience): Put some lead-acid batteries in a barrel as ballast (to keep it from rolling), mount a transom and trolling motor on it. Register it. Make sure that the photos clearly show that it has no keel, and no convenient seating, that it is just a barrel with a trolling motor attached.
He knew he f’ed up when he said “blown plastic” because that’s exactly what Tuggy has in common with a plastic 55 gallon drum.
That reminds me I need to make a pontoon boat out of plastic Santa statues 😈
@@saveitforparts you definitely should. You might become the first person in history to have a red flag in their file at the DNR, but it will absolutely be worth it.
(from Cambridge Dictionary)
'raw material
noun
...
any material, such as oil, cotton, or sugar, in its natural condition, before it has been processed for use:'
A barrel is NOT a 'raw material'.
BTW - I think 'Tuggy' is/was adorable.
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thats a nice looking boat love it :D
I live in Germany, so I guess I’m used to this kind of „random“ rules and unwillingness for deviation, but for me this sounds simple. Only Boats build from „raw“ materials. Empty barrels count as raw material, anything other plastic molded will only count, if u tell them what they want to hear and as long it’s not the only one big part what makes ur build a boat in the end 😁 crazy that u can get a official approval for a selfmade pallet and barrel boat, by literally telling ur authority’s u build it from trash u found somewhere 😂 Amerika is great in so many ways 😄
Wowzers . Thanks for sharing.
You did add raw materials to the sandbox (can foam), so it's not just the sandbox.
He also added a couple inches of sheet foam, and plywood to reinforce the deck.
That's what I told them... And the guy said I could register just the foam and plywood as a boat if I made Tuggy disappear :-P
I feel your pain. A Viking funeral for Tuggy? Are canoes registered in Minn? Maybe you can just get a watercraft sticker. I don’t think canoes are registered. As it’s so small maybe it’s in the same category as a small inflatable raft. I built a tube frame sandrail and when I went to get it registered the dmv wanted every receipt and wanted to title it. They wanted me to go through a huge process to prove no one else owned it prior to me and put money in hold for 2years. I went to the local motorcycle shop purchased an off-road sticker, registered it, 20.00 later I could legally use it at the dunes…
Canoes or other human-powered boats don't have to be registered as long as they're under 10ft, but anything with a motor needs a sticker here. I should have just gone to the DMV and confused the teenagers running the desk :-P
This is great! Love it sorry they didn't pass it. Just SEND it!!
I've seen other molded plastic boat, made and sold as boats that look like it. But tuggy looks better.
I feel like they are hung up on the fact that it's a "boat shaped sandbox" more so than the fact that its a sandbox.. if it were say.. a turtle sandbox that you turned into a watercraft I wonder if it would be the same outcome. what about people that turn cars into boats.. or ever see the semi truck with pontoons on it? how were them able to be turned into watercraft? but maybe none of these were licensed in Minnesota though either. I had issues with getting a title for a bayliner boat I bought years ago.. nothing I could do to get the DMV to assist on getting it resolved. so all I did to get it licensed was to say it was a home built boat.. they were fine with that.. (I also live in MN)
you have to follow the money. they are worried about someone seeing it, buying a sandbox, putting a motor on it, calling it a boat and registering it, sailing it out onto lake superior and when they get injured or killed, sue the state for allowing them to be knuckleheads.
My point is you tried to market it as a sandbox tugboat boat, sent in pictures of the sandbox and want a registration sticker for it which makes the state somewhat responsible. If you would of sent pictures of the foam bottom and motor, taken off the yellow part, maybe put some chloroplast sides up to cover up the sandbox, they would of approved it as a homemade boat. If you then take all that chloroplast off, and make it look like the tuggy afterwards, that is your business and when you hurt yourself and try and sue the state for allowing you to register it, then they can come back and say that is not what we registered, see here are the pics.
what if other people strap barrels to a pallet and it falls apart?
I understand why, it’s a kids toy, so they don’t want to say it’s a watercraft, if a kid sees you on the water in it they may say “hey I have a tuggy I didn’t know it could actually float” then they drown because they didn’t have additional foam, there’s a amount of liability there for who ever approved it. If you put that tuggy on the pallets and barrels out of the water and it was clear it was not it’s soul buoyancy then they would most likely approve it
Can you register it out of state and operate it in Wisconsin? Otherwise, I'd got for the torpedo practice. Let me know if you need help building a torpoedo
Just put a little sand in it and if they stop you on the water tell them you're playing in the sandbox and that it's darn lucky it floats.
Jobsworth comes to mind here!
Yo, just making sure you're aware, GUIDELINES for boats (as well as the paperwork you were sent) DOES NOT mention NOR define material manufactures. I.E. when you're sending in paperwork on Tuggy, it's not "withholding information" to call Tuggy a plastic flotation device. In other words, who said Tuggy is the HELM of the boat? Add two pieces of 2x4 and all of a sudden wording is key.
-How do you know it was ever a sandbox? Could have been used by your neighbors as a baby pool float and you were unaware it was ever meant to hold sand :)
Description - " Vessel made from raw material and household goods. Wooden planks affixed to large 3x5 floating foam and plastic flotation device. Closed cell foam added to floatation platform for buoyancy. Trolling motor attached to rear of "vessel" using wooden platform secured to vessel's base."
See how I didn't lie one time? (Yet didn't mention Tuggy) :)
You could always save tuggy for parts
You could go to the DMV and try again, follow the rules, say that it is built from raw materials and has a fascia of coloured plastic made from cut up found materials. Given how govt departments don't talk to each other you might get away with it. I love tuggy.
By the way, we don't have all of those silly rules here on most waterways, I don't think you need to register any kind of day boat. And there is no enforcement. "Ship" it to the UK and I will sort it out!
Its crazy that you guys in the usa in some states have almost no rules and technical inspections on cars, if your car has bad brakes you can easily kill someone else.
But if you want to build a boat that can slowly drive around on water you have to register it.
Here in Germany its hard to register modifications on your car, especially if they are homemade and every two years your car needs to go to an inspection.
And if police find you driving your car in a non roadworthy state its no fun.
But any boats under 3 horsepower are free game here, and boats up to 15hp (and some other limitations on size) are license free.
it is the right and responsibility of every citizen to disobey unjust laws. the right to keep and bear tuggy shall not be infringed.
also considering it is so short do you really need to register it.
In MN you do if it has a motor of any sort (as far as I can tell from the rules)
Register Tuggy in a Tuggy friendly state while enjoying the damn BOAT already... I assume it is legal to use a BOAT even if the boat is registered in another state. I would imagine any registration done by one state needs to be taken over by the next...
Thousands of neighborhoods in this _'sea to shining sea'_ country have a small lake in them to up property values as "On the water." Sell Tuggy on EBAY as a kid's boat for use on a *small* lake! But for a neighborhood lake, private with no public access.
surreal. that conversation...
If you installed a pedal drive, would it need to be registered?
I think that would be legal, it's just motorized boats that have to be registered.
Maybe use the other example of a guy who registered one as a waverunner or something, not sure if they're on youtube
but fighting with them beyond this may get you a bad rep with them, not worth it
The waverunner one could probably be registered as a jetski that just happens to have a sandbox on top.
I look forward to the follow-up where you are ticketed for "improperly registered boat" that "isn't a boat and can't be registered"
Find someone with a vacuum former. Cut it apart, vacuum form its peices. reassemble it. make it look like frankensteins monster and then register it.
I think you should make it work! use it as a mold & make a copy from raw materials like the guy said on the phone use raw materials!
Don't give up on the registration...elevate all the way to the supreme court!!😁
My first thought was to offer to sue. My second thought was "make every future boat with Tuggy."
Oh and there's the logging tugs, that look like it, we'll sorta. Lol
Instead of electric can it be a pedal one? And if yes, does it still need to be register?
Also lol "plastic was pre-molded" so umm a kayak? but I guess not always registering a kayak
Too bad I didn't rank to Admiral. I would have some clout to say this is okay. I do know a guy in another state, though.
If anything, build a separate boat out of your 'raw materials' and install tuggy as a 'plastic seat'.
Keep up the awesome.
When I posted this on Reddit some CG vessel inspector chimed in and said it would be fine with him too :-P
... but if you 3D print a boat in the shape of Tuggy, it would meet the requirement to be a boat. 🐣
Whats the thing with paying by a check? I’m from Finland and I’m _totally_ confused.
It's a government agency, in the US those are always stuck 20-30 years in the past. Heck, some places still want you to fax documents to them, and I once went to a DMV that was cash-only.
Tell me more about the barrel and pallet license? I want to build a picnic table barrel boat and license it.
This is hilarious and terrible.
phone call with the smartest man on earth
If it not a boat then you do not have to register it! Just use it and have Fun.
Why not just put some barrels and palettes under the tuggy and register that then?
That's what I thought, just register a barrel catamaran that will take tuggy on top,
@@bootsowen Boaty Mcboatface