In my opinion. Bp as a group was never special in regard to talent. I saw this from like 2019 but people are just realizing this as the members are going solo. They just had a great company who knows how to market and promote their idols that’s all.
exactly, they aren’t good singers and jenlisa can barely rap. calling Rose the “golden voice of korea” is a joke, i can’t stand her voice most times and there’s so many idols who are deserving of that title. Jisoo’s voice is always horrible to me. people call their solo’s “flops” but i think it’s the best that they can do as soloist.
I kind of agree but you can't deny that they have star quality and charisma that's why a lot people love them. At this point it doesn't matter if they're not good at singing and dancing, they just need to be decent at it
Horrible take. if YG 'great company who knows how to market and promote their idols' , their boygroup should be big as bigbang by now . just look at Winner and Ikon they never hold a concert outside asia eventhough ikon Love Scenario is their mega hits song. Just accept the fact ppl liked BP bcs of their song and live perfomance and stop being a hater.
The real problem with Lisa it’s that she wants to push herself soooo hard to the western but she is lacking in so many areas. Like girl, if you are gonna give us something just do it and stop pretending you actually know how to do everything. Practice your singing abilities and stop screaming when you rap cause that’s the only thing she does, scream her lungs out to “hyped” the crowd, however I must say that blinks and her solo stans has the one to blame cause they are the ones trying to put her on a pedestal. Girl give us nothing and yet they think it was phenomenal. THE BAR ITS REALLY ON THE FLOOR PEOPLE. Blackpink as a whole has been showing lately that the problem was really not YG after all but them as “artist” cause at this point I might start cataloguing them as “idols” cause they only excelled in performances where all eyes are on them like Coachella, but after that, that’s really nothing, like when they perform pink venom at the VMAS. If they are going to keep performing this poorly and giving content which are just remakes and samples just don’t, cause at this point Lisa’s whole discography will be samples or remakes.
erm its not that deep girl. jeez y'all don like them yet still write english essays on them i have no clue why spend so much time analyzing literally nothing. Live a little pookie
I do think it’s also nervousness. Yes these girls been in the music industry for a long time but they are all used to being a group that’s controlled by everyone around them. They are opened to independents in their music and directly Lisa is showing she is kinda dipping her foot in different waters to see what temp she likes. She all over the place right now but she will be fine
I follow western music longer than Kpop & for western music singers singing live is really important. It's the norm, it's the requirement. U don't have to sound flawless, u can sing shakily, out of tune here & there but u need to sing live. I saw a lot of western artist got cancelled bcz they got caught lip syncing. & I also saw a lot of those artist braving criticism but still serve live vocal & I saw them improve along the way. Being Kpop Idol u can get away with lip syncing since for some it's the norm, but to thrive in western music industry & to gain loyal fans in their home country u have to meet their standard. She is a good performance, she has a great concept & vision of what she wants to do, she always the 1 who give 100 when she was in a group, but she clearly show that she need a lot of practice to perform solo. & to do that she need to brave any criticsm when she decided to really sing live. She can do it if she wants to.
@@yellowgreensun Lol crazy cuz i just made a comment about his but I disagree, defo not the norm, people really only care about the music and unless youre just not singing at all they wont even really know youre lip syncing, its funny really cuz many will claim their artist is singing live while also hearing blatant autotune.😭For example, I hate to dawg beyonce , she can sing live but for many of her perfomances she sings with a backtrack so most of the song it isnt even her real voice, but as long as it looks like youre singing people really dont care.
The problem with Lisa is that she doesn't fit the Western standard , fans of pop music put more important or value on live vocals than performance or dancing, whilst K-pop Stan's are all about the flashy performance and really don't give much value to live vocals, and lisa vocals are not just it , she's more focused on dancing and performance rather the live vocals.
@@rkdo9554exo have been caught lipsyncing in their concerts multiple times, they have good voices but not that good either when you look at the western voices out there.
1: No way these blinks/ solo stans are the first one's to call out other idols for doing the SAME and when it's about them they act like they're still under maintenance & need more time to improve. The double standards are crazy!
To this day Im still wandering how a thai act with English song got vma for kpop..... Let's not mention Lisa's song rockstar had just come out and already nominated??? And was also garbage compared to so many actual great kpop song that came out. Also I really thought lisa was the best performer in bp with Jennie giving half energy, rosé basically a corpse with 0 expression and Jisooo..who cant dance nor sing. If lisa whose supposed to be the best can't even perform well alone imagibe the others😂😂.
Lisa know her fanbase will defend her as death even she regressed as dancer...and didnt trying improved her live vocal .Same if this is important in western the stars know sing asleast they re médiocre singers they will dancing like pro while hard choregraphy for impressed the public. Lisa didnt done that at all...
@@lavienrosewon8811 literlaly western artists like Ariana grande who are power houses on the vocal department still improve on themselves. She did so much training for wicked. And lots of idols in the kpop industry also keep improving even if they’re already good at dancing, singing or rapping. Bp just has pretty privilege. I haven’t ever heard or seen anyone say the group has improved a lot on vocals dance or rap or even quality of music
1. I love Lisa but the whole lip-syncing issue has been really disappointing. I saw a tweet the other day along the lines of, "What was the point of the training boot camp then?" and it's so true. You'd think that she could give a live performance as she's trained under the rigorous trainee system for a long time (where trainees practice singing and dancing simultaneously) and she's been an idol for almost a decade. 😭
Lisa is talentless old slat Sandara Park 2.0. They get job in YG cause they from Thailand/Philippines. They are nothing without Philippines/Thailand connection.
Yg being racist towards lisa you know. It was never the goal for them to let lisa outshine her members so they were searching for a foreign supporting performer, taking the parts of rapping here and there and dancing. They didn't train her in singing that hard like jisoo. Jisoo can't sing but she got so many singing lessons. Jennie and rose are the only ones who are real singers
because all blackpink are rich kids selected for the importance of their family nothing else a lot of former trainees left the agency because of favoritism and everything else if they had selected bp for their talents they would have had a totally different group
@@0Jamie0 why do you bring racism into a discussion about talent? and if they were so racist why not have chosen someone else during the selections? there was much better talent in the interns, they chose lisa because of her family, everything comes from rich families, many yg interns left the agency because of that
*My opinion (no hate)* I think Lisa is trying to give a little bit of everything without actually focusing on a specific category or making an effort to be known for [something]. She's trying to give us more vocal songs like New woman and Moonlit floor, but lip syncing most of it, also trying to still rap but they aren't that impactful or just short verses, trying to give choreo but not show-stopping dance breaks as she used to do (yes, some people even billboard be saying that choreography was missing something in VMAs). So at the end, she's not excelling in any of these categories to be able to build a strong identity as LISA the soloist. What comes to mind when you think about Taeyeon, IU, Rosé? You expect them to sing, give you emotionss and some cute dance but it's not a MUST, they're known as vocalists and that's just fine. Chaeyeon? Chung ha? They're gonna singgg, yes, but mostly known for awesome choreo and dance breaks. Jessi, CL? not even need to explain it. As much as it's great that Lisa is exploring a little bit of everything we don't exactly know her strong suit yet, we thought it was dancing but at least in her solo stages so far there hasn't been much of an impact or memorable moments, some people even commented that she's walking and doing hand moves more than anything and this kind of comments aren't common for someone like Lisa... I hope she picks a side, wanna sing more? of course she has the potential, but we need that mic 'LLOUD', or do you want to be known as a dancer? DANCE mama. No hate, I hope the best for Lisa, it's obvious she has great potential
I think her American label or producers don’t know where to put her. Let’s face it she is not a rapper. She is given verses, she practices how to say it and that’s it. That’s how is in kpop. Of course there’s a few in kpop that understand what rap is and the culture but Lisa is imitating “swag” bc is cool” but she in my opinion not an artist. She might have charisma and moves but that’s it.
Definitely. I do think she is just trying to test out the waters. She trying to figure out what works for her which is fine but for a bit her songs and performances gonna be rocky. I think she also trying to figure out what works for her vocally and rap wise too. I do think she got interesting vocals cus that pre chorus in new women was music to my ears. She will be fine a year or two at most
@@yomarysanchez1808I think she could be a rapper if she tried. She got a nice flow but she would have to start from the start with practice freestyles and practice writing raps
@@yomarysanchez1808 her style of rapping is called "pop rap", hence why shes not a real "rapper", common for many artist actually, most kpop songs are pop rap, ariana grande is pop rap, rapping thats more rhyme based than hip hop. I think she does fine, its quite literally her genre. But yea I get what youre saying, since her solo debut her whole styles just random, Im not so sure she really sees herself as lisa now and not lisa from blackpink. Shes giving but its not anything new? I hate to say it but with the route shes going shes really not making it out of the "Kpop" scene cuz thats what many people still see her as sadly.
@@yomarysanchez1808 she raps good 😊 maybe not the style you love which is okay I don't like Kanye West , Travis Scott or Changbin's rap but they do just fine I promise you.
just one thing: let's not forget that over the years the level of blackpink has dropped drastically, they were and are praised for THE BARE MINIMUM; however Lisa has always stood out compared to the others, and has always been highly praised for this, even if (I'm sorry but this must be admitted) she isn't a great artist either..... but the expectations for them are so low that it's enough to move slightly more than the others to become the best performer among blackpink. So, in my opinion, Lisa has adopted this mentality over time: "it takes very little for me to be treated like a divinity". Probably she's truly convinced that she's a real star, a diva, and that you don't need who knows what to make a good impression and conquer the West, that's why the best she can do on stage is making sexy faces and moving hips a little. however, unfortunately for her, now that she's a soloist and alone on stage, without the other members of blackpink, the mediocrity and lack of talent are CLEAR, and those who deny it need to grow mentally and learn to admit the truth. To this, we can add the fact that she is self-centered like a peacock: music made only to show her body, the constant repetition of her name as if it were a status symbol, the super fake personality during interviews and on stage, etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm aware that she's not the only one who does this. The point is that vanity and talent must be proportional: Ariana Grande, for example, focuses a LOT on herself, but at the same time she knows how to sing like a goddess, she has one of the most beautiful voices out there; she also knows how to write songs, dance, entertain, act, etc. Conversely, for example, Selena Gomez is not very good, but she doesn't spend time shouting "SeLeNa" in songs, nor does she try to make fun of her audience, she has always made it very clear that her real talent is acting and she found herself becoming a pop star due to "bureaucratic issues" (Disney, if you know what I mean...). But Lisa, for God's sake, has songs that talk about how incredible she is, one of them is even named after her, yet she keeps giving nothing. recently, she also had the opportunity to prove the opposite by participating in a video on a UA-cam channel where singers have to sing live, yet she failed this time too, mostly rapping and purposely avoiding all the high notes. I really hope she won't become a real popstar, because it would be just a lack of respect for real artists. I said what i said, sorry not sorry EDIT: I say this for all the blinks who will come below to annoy me with the most senseless reasons (since some, as expected, have already arrived): I WANT PROOF. if you want me to change my mind, you have to prove it with FACTS. otherwise for me you remain parrots repeating the classic cheap excuses, and i won't respond to people like you.
this is crazy. All this becuz she lip synced in her performance? i assure critisicm is necessary but its really not this deep. You sound more like an anti rather than an audience cuz of all the nit picked assumptions you made about what she thinks of HERSELF (not even her fans would know wtv bs you thought she is) and also about her so called "fake" personality. I get it, her performance is mediocre (no logic here either cu she only lip synced in one song out of the 5 songs she did and no VMA was live) u have all the right to bash her for it but this is a bit over the line
This is a hate comment. I do think you made good points about her in blackpink but everything after is you being hateful since “super fake personality during interviews” is you having personal issues with her with no backbone to it. She did get a lot of praise in blackpink for the bare minimum which is simply doing a good performance. Esp last year. HOWEVER, that’s not the issue right now. She is currently struggling with an identity crisis. You mention her being “self centered” which is funny cus you can argue this for mass majority of celebrities… including your faves. Lisa is new to being solo so it’s clear she is kinda struggling right now to figure out her sound, her vibe, etc. y’all need to give her a chance to breathe
@@laytip This is exactly what i mean, i'm not even a blink yet u assumed that cuz i said you're so called "opinion" is way to deep and dramatic?? Why not just accept the fact that you're an anti and not just expressing your thoughts (based on you mocking and insulting the GIRLS themselves and not their mistakes and actions) your recent comment is also mocking the girls as if they haven't worked their asses off to be at this position. And sure i can present plenty of links here since your egoistic and lazy ass can't do it yourself, for starters we have the encores from the inkigayo wins and then : 1. ua-cam.com/video/VLpUsmBafMQ/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared 2. ua-cam.com/video/_7TMluHVx4Y/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared 3. ua-cam.com/video/jubpICnlc-Q/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared 4. ua-cam.com/video/-6XwN_wu3KU/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared 5. ua-cam.com/video/a5gUds01aXY/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared 6. ua-cam.com/video/_HhAzr5DLik/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared 7. ua-cam.com/video/-9R59Lg8k3w/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared 8. ua-cam.com/video/BZKW9zi47no/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared 9. ua-cam.com/video/u28ZvPkiGHw/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared 10. ua-cam.com/video/oU8eidVzeSQ/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared I can keep going on and on but that would just hurt your ass so i'll let it be here :3333
they defended her so badly in VMAs but can't defend her anymore after her performance in global citizen 💀 she is Lucky that she getting so many big stages to perform then why don't she gives her best anymore lip syncing even when there is no choreo I'm sick of her and her fandom now
@@musicinterest-dib well she can attract new ppls with her perf as the kind of stages she is performing on I don't have issue with her but girly should at least give her best eye rolling ,being savage on the stage isn't the only job an artist do
I think y’all care too much about lip syncing. The VMAS was both live and lip sync which is fine. This as well is also fine. I do wish she did more on stage this recent preformance but lip syncing is never that serious
@@AUGHHHHHBBG if you are ok with paying money to an artist who just dances or sits there and just moves their lips mostly then that's good but im not i would prefer my fav artist to sing ,dance and perform energetically cuz that's what im paying my money for if you don't care about lip sync then its your opinion but i don't agree with it
Petitioning for Lisa to take singing lessons!!! She can't carry on with lip syncing through her career on international stages. Its very sad that she doesn't care to listen what people are saying about her live performances. I think she needs to hire someone who will tell her the truth not kiss her arse. 😩
I don’t know if singing lessons what she need yet cus we haven’t heard her sing live recently. If she do a live performance and sing bad then yea she needs it but man idk if it’s her record label, her, the award shows, etc that making her lip sync. We just gonna wait
I just watched global citizen festival video, and honestly ppl she sang only 10% of her songs, she dint have a powerfull dance break, you can clearly see/listen her mic was on but she was lipsyncing, and when she actually sang you can hear how different she sounds than her recorded verson, she sang mostly in Rockstar, and thats it. I dont know what is all the hype around her about. Moonlit floor was a total lipsync.
1. She is mediocre and she just proved that her giving us a bunch of music is no use if she is going to be lazy while performing when her fans pay so much just to watch her perform she lip synced bc she knows her fans will defend her blinks are spoiling her face reality guys she isnt a very special performer when she is performing as a soloist 3. Agreed many armies speak against hybe
1.It's damn funny when blinks are yapping in the comments on how we're hating on her while the first in line are blinks when hating everyone like when are y'all gonna quit the victim card
@@seulginess Because yall do the same 😀 Blinks and Armys are the first ones to hate when it comes to other female idols, so why are they angry at each other if they both do the same?💀 the whole K-pop fandom is like that. Have you seen the Yoongi scouter incident? the people on the first line were Blinks. Have you seen the time when Jennie was smoking indoors? Armys were the ones in the front line. If Blinks are not stopping why should Armys stop too?
when you actually watch her properly you realise Lisa isn't actually that great of a dancer, she's just confident and when you have members that are also below regular idol dancers it makes her look better.
@@M_ary_ammNah the others are worse at every aspect. Lisa was just better than them, that's why she shined in the group. But she has her own set of flaws like live singing, and bad vocals, which just gets highlighted when she is performing alone on stage.
1: I honestly don't get why BLINKS & LILY's were defending her for her mediocre VMA's performance when the evidence was RIGHT in front of our faces. Lisa has been caught lip-syncing so many times, it's crazy how it smoothly gets shoved away under the rug. Miss girl was lip-syncing on the BORN PINK tour. And now that people do talk about Lisa's mic... I can't help but wonder, what is even the point of her using one when she has a whole ass back-track playing FOR HER? It's literally the most useless and unused prop she has on stage when performing. She lets the back tracking sing for herself when it's supposed be her doing most of the work for singing.
how many times do you not fact check the bs you say? she DID NOT lip sync in her VMA performances and as proof the fancams are right infront of you. Global citizen festival was half lip syncing and half live. She sang live the first 2 songs and then gave up which i would too since yall would bash her anyway
2NE1 had 10 times the talent and yet never was given the same opportunities. All because they weren't the pretty girls. Blackpink had potential but they never really were focused on the music. So many better groups now which burry them in just about every way possible. Lisa can dance but she is no BoA or Minzy.
I think she's not use to being a solo artist and this is a big wake up call for her. She can either choose to grow or just keep going w/ what shes doing now. Take Dua Lipa and even Beyonce early one. They werent terrible but they took the critique and grew. Being in a group, you can space out the weakness and weight of things but when you are solo you have to work even harder and more eyes are on them alone. She has to learn how to perform as a solo artist. It needs to be big especially if you are on the same bill as Doja Cat, Megan thee Stallion, and Sabrina Carpenter. Your performance will look/be received as underwhelming. Relying on backing tracks shouldnt be a thing when you are considered the best of the best. It should support you not carry you especially during ballots.
Beyonce was always considered the most talented pop star since destiny’s child. I have no idea who you’re talking abt but it’s definitely not Beyonce, that woman has been training since she was child bfr.
In my not so humble opinion, since I began listening to K-pop six years ago I've always liked JYP, he's funny and a living legend. I really don't care too much about Lisa, her fans are the problem, she won't change as an artist because her fans will always shield her from the truth. I'm waiting for Jisoo's new music.
@@mahekmittal6304 absolutely. I've checked on an official release of official streams on an official website. And it has been confirmed in a videonas well. Thus, I am right. I always do research before splitting facts. Now sit down ☕
Again!! Stop saying armys are hybe fans! Stop bc is not true. We are not defending hybe we are smart and in this case we see who is manipulating the feud between mhj n hybe. We are against mhj bc of what she is doing to bts especially. We don’t like hybe either but be realistic hybe outsmart mhj . Hybe is silent while mhj is dragging the drama. We only want mhj and nj out of the building far from our boys! If ppl attack hybe is an attack on bts automatically and we are not allowing that shit.
Blackpink has always been just a regular mid group talent and music wise. After ddu, they just grew a large fan base even tho the song is literally just a repeat of boombaya
No one hates on lisa its just disappointing how shes a great performer but hher stages have been nothing but boring this whole time you lilies in the comment section screaming hate are not helping at all she will not improve in the vocal sector if yall going to sugar coat her like i watched the performance and all the other artist you could hear them but for her she like sang a little jn the beginning and screamed like she usually does her fans keep saying shes a rapper then she should rap if cant sing like she has been doing this job for 8 years but cant sing a single song live thats a shame honestly embarrassing to say the least people are vocal because she was the claimed best in BP where the hell is that i would understand if her chero was difficult but she hasnt even put out a dance performance that shows her full potential like how can you dance so wonderfully in your covers then give us half assed nonsense for your solos loke she not doing anything mjnd blowing and when people voice those opinions her fans start crying hate nope its the truth which many of you refuse to see i would love to see her perform that new song of hers while she seats with instrumental then we we speak like she was lip syncing 80% during her glb cztn performance its just a shame honestly so its either she goes to singing classes and improves or we will keep telling she cant sing well because she cant sing its facts you guys blamed yg for everything just for her to put out the shame lame performance and cherographies 😂😂 like am sorry and shes is called the queen of kpop please stop give the title to someone who can actually present an amazing live i repeat live performance , she hangs with tyla and sabrina right maybe she should ask for some tips lol
I used to stan bp, i remember being a fan immediately after watching Whistle& Boombayah but between 2018/2019 i got tired of.their music,rare comeback & their energy dropped tremendously I swear to god I think i'm of those few fans who immediately saw Jennie's lazyness on stage I used to believe those excuses made by blinks but girl those excuses became questionable
6:45 no. Idols SHOULD be good at their jobs, you’re forgetting that they have to train for some time before debuting which should be enough time to get you to be good at your job. sure being a doctor and idol aren’t the same thing but i get what that anonymous person is saying. how are you going to train for 2+ years straight and be in the industry for some time and still be bad at your job??
@@karinchu-l3d so many idols left their home countries and learned Korean in order to debut, she's not special. Plus she's been living in Korea for like a decade at this point, giving her credit for that should no longer be a relevant thing.
I was bp fan back till 2022 ( upto shutdown comeback) . They reached their peak popularity in 2020 . But after that they have just used this popularity as a sheild to cover up most mid performance. Especially Lisa, she can dance but nowadays her dance is no different than a stripper. She is putting bare minimum efforts and knows her fan will defend her. She has more passion in pole dancing than singing live. Lip sync once twice is okay but how u manage to call ur self a artist if u lip sync 90% times. She really set the standards underground now.
I'm sick of hearing people commenting that aespa are copying xg on their latest photo teasers The photos literally look like aespa savage era it was their concept before xg's debut Just because they changed the concept for a while doesn't mean when they went back to it that they are copying xg
@el_kpop7491 Aespa can copied XG concepts all they want. They can not rock outer space/Alien concept like XG can. I'm waiting for Katrina to shave her head like Cocona lol.
The great hypocrisy of kpop, you criticize le sserafim and illit for doing the same but at least they still have time to improve and you justify the mediocrity of lisa, an idol who is already a veteran and who is supposed to have been in the group for years music industry, but if she doesn't sing live that't fine, the so-called queen of kpop is a delirious shame, the stupidity of kpop in incredible
I don’t think anyone should get criticism for lip syncing even tho that did happen with illit and lsfm. They got criticism directly for bad vocal performances. Lisa didn’t have a bad vocal performance cus the two performances getting hate are lip sync and nobody had anything to say about when she performed rockstar
You are the hypocrite one Lisa is Rapper not vocalist Lee sserafim Illit members they are vocalists so Their main job is to sing Stop making this shit excuse
@@alvi_omi saying shes a rapper is fucking insult to rappers. Nah Lizard is putting out songs which are vocal based. If she sucks then she should have stick to her cringe ass blaccent rap. She doesn't even rap live so idk what are talking about you Lizard stan. 😂
1. I realized she is not even a good dancer. Her dance skill is mid. She looks good because her bandmates dance skill are miserable compare to her. 2. She is not new in the industry, her fans should stop making excuse on why she lipsync. You guys dragged lesserafim and other hybe idols for bad singing, accuse sakura afraid of singing, and now the very same thing happen to your own idol suddenly it's okay to lipsync 😅 Oh the hypocrisy. If it were hybe idols y'all would hate them like they commit crime.
Your fist point would have been true if she never had any solo performances where she shined on her own due to her dancing and stage presence. Nice try.
@@jeneveuxpasdiremonnom1198 she's stiff. Coming from a dancer Dont tell me that dancers on UA-cam praised her . No they were just lying so her 12 y.o fandom will not get mad
@@MingyuScoupsDKHoshi from another dancer I disagree. And people have every right to, and just because your opinion is different doesn't mean everyone else is wrong. Your opinion is not a fact, grow up.
8: I feel like JYP does a lot of cringe-worthy stuff because he’s basically known for it internationally, and that’s the image he’s sticking with. He’s leaning into being the funny, awkward laughingstock just to stay relevant and grab attention. It’s like he’s trying so hard to maintain that “quirky” persona, even if it ends up being embarrassing. He knows it's what people expect, and he's using it as a cheap way to stay in the spotlight, even if it means looking ridiculous.
The most authentic member is Rosé. She never tried to please others and did her own taste of music and solos with otg and gone. She just wants to make music.
@@mahekmittal6304 you mean rosé's voice is not something of your preference because I like her voice very much her songs and covers give me satisfaction and peace ❤ so she's the most authentic one in bp she makes music because she likes to do it not for the fame and views
lisa was dubbed as 'best dancer of kpop' its hilarious. in my very humble opinion, she's only getting the fame she has for her new album because of her k-pop background, it probably wouldn't make a dent in the western music standards, she's only getting attention due to blinks. most blinks are blinded by how much they love her, they'll defend her for anything, lip-syncing, lazy moves, whatever she does. but they're pretty much just defending her for the sake of defending her, not noticing the mistakes. this is my opinion, blinks, don't come for me. armys are insanely loyal to their idols, admirable, and yeah, considering how hybe treats its groups, i don't blame them from leaving hybe in the dust. jyp's staying relevant by being 'weird' and cringe, and its working, its impressive tbh. he's iconic but he isn't exactly a saint either.
But at least BTS got talent so armys can't be blamed for defending their faves whereas BP lazy performances are very questionable and they never wrote a single song
i really want to like lisa as solo but i feel like she doesnt know her real self compared to say rose who seems to have more clear pciture of what she want from her full album. im very interested to see how rose turns out her solo performances i think shes got bit more musical interest and no offence to lisa but i think she and jennie are mainly interested in the benefits they get from being in blackpink whilst not really meet their full potential and being limited to only doing certain style of performing. some idols are just unsutable for solo and its ok for an idol to not need to be soloist especially jf they cant really push themselves out fo their comfort zone.
Compare Lisa on global citizen and then go to the jk performance. Jk did choreo and sang ! The mic was on! He sang ballad in Korean and everyone in the crowd were singing word for word. Come back and talk to me later about real demand.
Lisa was trained to rap verses with less comeback and jk is known for his vocals.This is an unnecessary comparism and artists grow.I see Lisa being active in the music industry and she does sing live but she needs breath control.She will grow.You can criticize but i believe she will improve.
@@yomarysanchez1808 there’s one thing to criticize but here your just trying to bring her down so jk looks more talented nothing about this was talking about her performances but just jk sum of y’all are down bad 💀
Idk why y’all compare JK to Lisa when the skills are different. JK been a very skilled guy for a while. Debatably a triple threat/all rounder. Lisa is skilled but she isn’t on his level so this is like comparing ice spice to Nicki Minaj. Same field but not same skill to be compared
Every time Lisa uses the mic she ether mumbles under the backtrack for 4 seconds, lip syncs and pretends to sing or shout out words. That’s literally it. It’s very disappointing.
As an older blink its so disappointing to see how BP turned out. I was a fan since day one. I am sorry but all their solo songs were/are mediocre. As a group they had this ‘it’ factor vibe that they seem to be missing as solo members.
I have been a big supporter of Lisa but her songs fail to live up to the expectations. She's experimenting so it's fine but her stage performance IS STRAIGHT UP GOING DOWNHILL. The VMA did looked like she was lip syncing, even if she's doing it ATLEAST OWN THE DAMN STAGE since she doesn't have to go hard on the vocals. You go lazy on performance because your vocals get compromised. Her performances have been so lazy these days that I do not feel the heart to support her anymore. I would have expected this kind of performance from Rose/Jisoo minus the lip sync because they will concentrate on their vocals more than performance but Lisa come one girl, you are doing neither. Look at Taylor Swift, she does 3 hours of concert and still gives it her all. Lisa is a performer, she should be owing it, instead she is giving the american girl group performances. Do a bit here, do a bit there, smile, sing. I just want her do well but I just feel bad she's going downhill. Moonlit floor would have been such a great video but she chose not to, sigh! I am just disappointed
I mean She is not even doing that well in America her songs are not even charting there she only does well in global Spotify. I feel like she thought that she can get away with being average which she can if only she has songs that Americans like but they are not paying attention to her songs. She does not know what she wants I hope her album is better
I remember the time lisa was compared with momo That momo ended up being dragged Momo had every of her fan cams monitored for the slightest mistake Those were fun times in kpop(2019-20)
Well I will be honest, you are mentioning Momo here as if she is so much better but in reality even though Lisa doesn't actually sing that well, Momo isn't any better and is much worse tbf
I’m army since 2017 and I was really loyal to Big Hit back then until they start rebranding to HYBE and after Big Hit did to Trainee A. The only reason why we are till this day tolerating HYBE it’s because BTS trust the company, it’s because they have stocks there, it’s because they have staff there who they still trust. After removing Bang pd from his CEO position everything has been managed differently in every label.
You know who else had stocks in their own company they made big from scratch? Bigbang GD Taeyang all left yg now they may still have stocks of YG stocks mean nothing yall so delusional
Imo, Lisa was never a strong vocalist, that's why YG built her image the way they did, her previous 2 releases Lalisa and Money are the genres where she can shine the most and suitable for her tone. That's why to me Rockstar and Newwoman are not as horrible as her new song Moonlit floor 🤷🏻♀️
To be honest, when Blackpink first debuted everyone was super excited for the next "it" girl group (basically another 2ne1). Their first comeback (BOOMBAYAH was meh but I loved Whistle) was fine, I did feel that they were lacking in stage presence but since it was the first comeback everyone assumed they would improve. Quite frankly, it was the opposite. There has been no improvements at all and their music has been unbelievably boring. I don't know where the Lisa went because she slayed their debut song, but now she seems superficial and forgettable in a few years (as is almost every member in Blackpink). It's such a shame, but 2NE1's legacy and stage presence is unmatched. They really felt like grown women with so much charisma (also Mamamoo!)
So true, their personalities seem like total masks on & offscreen (acting cutesy, & the talking in the baby voice or trying to be overly "edgy" on stage even when it doesn't suit the song) it's a bit cringe tbh 😬 In terms of performance, they still have to learn how to manage the crowd, the mood & their performance. I feel that should be really basic to a performer since it's stage manners no? Anyone can go up on stage, lipsync & do half the choreo (dancers already do that mind you). An idol, or in this case what Lisa is trying to push for, an "artist" should be able to sing live and capture the crowd. Those are the STANDARDS, if you can't sing live & give your 100% if not 110% on stage, you have no right to call yourself a performer, period! As for BP, I agree with u on how they've stayed stagnant in their skill set since the first 2 years of their debut. Yes their MVs have gotten bigger budgets since then, but have their performance skills gone up linearly too? Tough call, but I'd say no. They busy themselves with brand deals & do music like it's a side hustle & not their main job lol But yeah, blinks support everything those girls do, so they've gotten used to having a safety blanket around themselves against any valid criticism & don't bother improving :/ And omg, I love how you mentioned 2NE1 & Mamamoo! They are literally THE STANDARD when it comes to performing live for ggs! I love Seventeen, EXO, Shinee & TVXQ as well, they're all amazing Live!
As an Army thank you. We only tolerate Hybe cause its made thanks to BTS money and effort and because the boys trust them enough to update their contract. We trust BTS and their decisions,not Hybe.
6:16 you're right. idols are not a serious job like doctors. categorically refute the notion that idols like Sakura need to be the bestest at every espect or else quit. This job is not vital, its entertainment, and kpop industry is about a visual presentation foremost , so idols like sakura are not only fine but across perfect for this job !
5. Idt it was the member leaving the group which raised their popularity tbh. Other factors play a role too. But yea, a member leaving does give some temporary spotlight to the group. Also, GIDLE with SOOJIN was way better than GIDLE without her, imo.
Pcas and vmas are for attendance. They are not transparent on how they choose because they don’t show the number of votes. Not only that but they violate their own rules to get someone on the show to perform. BP was not eligible the year they got nominated but were booked to attend and perform and got the award even though their music was out of the eligible period. Basically, the winner gets chosen by Burger King or whoever is the sponsor. Read the small print. Vmas are a joke. The AMA, the Grammys and Billboard are the only ones that actually matter because they use actual data (billboard) and votes from the industry (Grammys). It’s been proven again and again you can buy a PCA and a VMA. You can’t buy a Grammy (if you are not in their good side) a billboard or an AMA
@@whyisthisdifferentnow That's your opinion. I respect it but telling blinks that the stages are mid over and over and over isn't something you should do. You might not but us blinks actually enjoy it and they do not give less then her.
Why r u trying to force fans to see negative about BP? Are you that Low? Let FANS ENJOY THEIR FAVES PLEASE. We don't yap when your faves make mistakes but y'all hate on BP lol get a life please
She is my bias and still... But i stand with reality.... Unfortunately she lose he identity.. for me the problem is she go to Hollywood and not Hollywood come to her..she have big impact in kpop and have many fan globally.. but unfortunately she go to far with west influence... Showing ass with most performance.. she make mistake going to Hollywood.. spouse Hollywood come to her.. lastly for solo stand y'all keep blinds and say y'all like it what happened to lisa now..but for me she still my bias and i hope she don't do it this mistake again to going to far with Hollywood.. and like it or not..only YG can manage ot4 as a group or solo career...
@@chayo4537 but u still understand right??? That's why u comment..my English doesn't do anything to her.. it's just effect with people like u.. I suggest u learn how to stand with reality...
The problem is that Lisa have no identity, after she finally could go solo in another agency she just lost herself with all those different songs. She wanna be a singer so bad when she knows she cannot sing, she’s not even trying live as well. I think she should’ve start a solo career in Thailand first but ig she wanted to skip everything and just go to the high up but sadly she can’t keep up, Blinks (if not just her solo stans) are the only thing that is helping her. And the fact that she doesn’t even mention Blinks and just Lilies or whatever, if I was a blink I would be laughing my ass off bc sweetheart, she lost touch with reality because she wouldn’t be where she is if it wasn’t thanks to blinks but ig she doesn’t care anymore LOL
@When did she say she wanted to be a singer lol? She is an artist maybe she doesn’t do that in some of her songs but either way she dances and some time might create choreography and in rockstar she played a part in lyrics.
@And what are you trying to say about Blinks lol?.. most blinks hate her guts if you haven’t seen.. most Blink cursed her and her mother because she went to Crazy Horse. Now when she crates Moonlit floor Blink are calling her boyfriend ratty for doing absolutely nothing.
I’m such a big fan of Lisa, but even I can notice how her performance skills have been lacking. I don’t know how to describe it, but watching her recently it doesn’t look as clean or engaging as I remember. Cause best believe she knows how to move and put on a show!! It really sucks cause I wanna support her solo career but I feel like the hype over her overshadows how she’s actually doing. I don’t mean to start anything lol, but I’ve been feeling this way for a while.
it has never been good in the first place, she mostly never performed live with BP as well, and the other girls covered for her in terms of live performance, all she does is dance and shout a few words along the song, if you watch BP concerts you will notice it, her fans also been covering for her by deflecting on Jennie, when Jennie actually does AMAZING live, whether be it in vocals, rap or dance, yes sometimes she lacks in the dance part, but she said multiple times she has low stamina, and again if you watch BP concerts you will see Jennie actually most of the time is giving it her all, her dance skills are amazing too, and 1 minute from the whole concert will not change that.
@@lunamorningstar55 if Jennie has low stamina why did she became a K-pop idol. You guys always find excuses for her Also Lisa made on her own in a foreign industry unlike Jennie whose mother had connections. And Lisa is the one that stands out the most among them that's why she's the most popular one
@@lunamorningstar55 also in blackpink performance she's performing in a foreign language unlike Jennie. If Jennie can learn Thai and perform well. Then we can compare
@@karinchu-l3d y'all just love making shit up about Jennie, No one even knows what jennie's mom name is, nor do we know her occupation, y'all made narratives to suit your fave and ran with them. Lisa's performances are getting rightfully criticized, she's supposed to be a singer, not dancer, but she can't sing live, she does not even lipsync correctly. Dancing is not the priority of a singer/rapper.
@@karinchu-l3d it's kpop not thaipop, if Lisa wanted to do thai music, she would've stuck to her country, but she wanted to get into the Korean industry, so it's her choice. This is such a stupid outlook of things, cause English and Japanese are also foreign to Jennie, and she performed in both quite deliciously. Also among BP members Jennie usually gets the most baggage to carry, as she's Main Rapper & Lead singer, also has the most lines in most Bp songs, and still carries choreo on stage, the other members have less things to worry about on stage. Jennie has to juggle many things and she still EATS every stage.
4. The army and hybe one. From my perspective, I haven't seen ARMYs stand with the company. Other fandoms have been using that narrative because ARMY aren’t siding with anyone except BTS. And let’s be real, the truth is, ARMYs hate HYBE ever since Big Hit first announced its transformation into a large corporate entity, back in 2020 or 2021 and that sentiment hasn't changed much over the years. HYBE is not a good company and you as a fan shouldn’t put a company OR a person in a pedestal for whatever reason.
I feel like during the Global Citizen one the backtrack was just really really loud. I felt like the girl was fighting for her life trying to make her voice be heard.
Lies. I am currently living in the UK and have been FOR SO LONG and no K-pop song is heard here. No BTS, BP, TWICE etc etc... If fact, K-pop isn't even mentioned about AT ALL. It's only mentioned in the most offensive way ever. You'll be afraid to admit to be listening to K-pop because people say the most vile things about it. I'd say the only time where it was MOST mentioned in the most positive way ever was when BP and STRAYKIDS performed at HYDE PARK and SEVENTEEN when they performed at GLASTONBURY.
Flopping in the US? Also in the US twice got some popularity but they are not common. The main groups here is blackpink and BTS. Additionally groups are most of hybe girl groups (ILLIT, Newjeans, lsfm, katseye)
5: All I'm saying, is that, Soojin left at the peak of (G)I-DLE's popularity and success. I suppose the same thing can be said for Jini and Garam? 🤷🏻♀️ But we have to admit, them unfortunately leaving, did boost their popularity and did give them attention.
Let’s be real for a moment bp had nothing special since the start they were just hyped up and had a good producer slash great marketing from a *major* company like if I’m gonna be real the only one with charisma is jennie and to add she also had the western appeal and knows what to do so it helps the other’s skills are mediocre any Kpop trainee that spent time in the industry can do what they do and even be better and I ain’t being a hater I’m just being truthful but of course their fans won’t accept the criticism or the truth
This is not truth , you see them Midcore this is your oppion but me and blinks seeing them special is your oppion Calling your oppion a critical truth are you nrml ?? I Stan a lot of GG almost every SM , YG GG but still love something about BP I like them they're so good A lot of company try to create the second BP but failed hard look at hype with lsfm 😄 their marketing is amazing but still don't reach even of BP half
@@Ri57490lets not lie now. Jennie might not be the best singer but girlie can sing to get by as an solo artist atleast. She might not be belting notes but she can hold a note. And rosie is a good singer. Her voice might not be your preference but she can sing.
I think she is very talented. However, none of her recent stuff is groundbreaking to me. The choreography is the same ra-ra over-sexualized cheerleader dances. For all the hype surrounding her, where is the edge? The uniqueness?
6: Apologies, but that opinion is not only misguided but also quite naive. As a former student midwife, my role involved caring for both mothers and babies during pregnancy, childbirth, and postpartum recovery. While it’s not the same as being a doctor, the responsibility was immense-ensuring the health and safety of both mother and child, often in critical situations. That level of care requires skill, knowledge, and a profound understanding of life-and-death matters. Meanwhile, when a K-pop idol faces illness or an issue, the worst outcome is an outcry from immature fans, and the effects don't continue to hurt them for the rest of those fans lives. Comparing these two situations and reducing it to “this is life, you either eat or get eaten” is not only oversimplified but deeply insulting.
If 2ne1 didn't disband they would never got this big i believe. On the debut days (which basically the most important periode of time) people look forward for them bcs they thought bp would be the replacement of 2ne1
LMAO. Cry about it. Y'all like to perpetuate this stereotype that the girls don't like each other, when they very much do. Y'all just want to find ways to be negative towards BP. If people missed and wanted 2NE1 so badly, why did no one support their solo work? Good for them on the comeback 8 yrs later, but y'all truly need to stop with this BP wouldn't be famous without 2NE1 mess. It's getting old & it's completely inaccurate. They debuted in two completely different era's. BP debuted during a time when kpop was becoming massive & people wanted to check it out. Which made it easier for BP to gain more of a following. 2NE1’s disbandment wasn’t caused by BP, no matter what wattpad-esque news source you read. YG was always going to debut a new gg. Point blank, period. This hate train you kpoppies have for BP is really getting old. You don't like them? Ok. Then stop commenting & having an opinion on EVERYTHING they do. I don't care for BTS & you know what I do? IGNORE THEM! I'm not online talking about or watching videos about them everyday. Go focus on the groups you do like, & leave us fans alone. It's truly that simple.
4: I mean, its obvious ARMY's are tolerating HYBE, because that's where their beloved group is from. It's completely understandable and can be seen in other fandoms for example BLINKS & YG. They only tolerate YG because BLACKPINK as a group, is from there. Again, its normal and SO UNDERSTANDABLE. Although, some ARMY's do go heavy on the riding on HYBE. But either than that, I suppose the majority of ARMY's know when to not trust HYBE...? 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Lisa is a good performer and as long-time fan it is bothersome that the choreography/stage energy still doesn't feel like its doing enough to justify the weaker vocals. It is great to see her experiment though (new song is cute), so hopefully through that experimentation they fine tune her performance and give us more stages/material that suit her image and show off her strengths. It kind feels like she's stuck in low-power consider-the-other-group-members mode a lot of the time though, which would be very impressive is she weren't alone on stage... I think she needs to shake that off, cause its the opposite of energy people want from an artist in the West--especially from a soloist. I hope she's louder and more commanding in the next performance.
OMG IM SO EARLY 😭 1. I feel like blinks have always hyped her Up like they do with blackpink so yea 2.atp no one cares neither does kpop 3.they deserved they saw what the media Was saying and ran with it now their reputation Is getting ruined and all the sudden their all apologetic
THATS WHY THEY DON'T HAVE DAESANG AWARDS IN THEIR EARLY DAYS .. POOR PERFORMANCE+LAZY+LYPSINC+CAN'T MAKE THEIR OWN SONG+NONSENSE LYRICS ETC. BLONKS I MEAN BLINKS JUST HYPED THEM DELUSIONAL BLIND CLOWN FANS LMAO.
@@VasuVerma-we9tp WHO JISOO? THE ONE THAT YG BUYED AWARD? DONT EVEN DARE TO MENTION THAT AWARD THAT IS THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL AWARD SHE WON JUST BECAUSE OF MV VIEWS WTF LMAO
idols also need to be responsible for themselves, their health and wellbeing im so tired of ppl having to put so much emotional reactions to an idol every time theyre moderately concerned when fhe idol has good access to a support team and ppl they can go to for advice in general its not like they cant just opt not to do kpop either but i do think the younger they are the more immature they end up being so even young idols must face consequences for their choices or behaviours.
I think YG knows the girls best. And we seen them fall short when they left YG. Who put in there head that they don't need YG? Even 2ne1 came back when they easily could've asked permission for the songss and made their own concert like they did with coachella. Its true what they say.... Some artist image is the agency. They lose the shine when they think theyre better off on there own. 2ne1 is a good example.
Unfortunately Lisa showed lacking performances both on Vmas and the Global citizen festival. I don’t know why. I was on the Born Pink tour and it was truly amazing. The girls were fire and the audience too. I don’t know but I believe it has to do with the fact her new songs are full of autotune and she cannot sing without it (something like Jimin’s Like crazy encore which also showed that auto tune do it’s work for the song) and that’s not a bad thing but a fact
The obsession to use that one Jimin clip, where he was offkey for 10s due to actual technical issues to defend your favs is very fascinating. Jimin gave an encore the very next day and did pretty well, this man has given hundreds of stunning live vocal performances, has sung Acapella, acoustic, came up with a song at the spot and did absolutely amazing. Oh and his songs, the one's he writes, composes and produces, just like the majority of BTS's songs uses autotune as a stylistic choice, and they have been doing so since the beginning. LC has an acoustic version as well, so does who. Oh and there's plenty of clips of him singing even without a microphone, you can go and watch those.
@@stargazing2628 I didn’t say he can’t sing, I used an example of how a song is made and it does not fit the singer’s voice and that’s how they can sound off key. I could use Le sserafim as an example but there are members who clearly struggle with singing and that’s why I didn’t mention them in my arguments
@@musicinterest-dib Again, not a good example and you seem to lack some musical understanding, LC is totally the song for Jimin's voice, also LC barely has any autotune in it's composition, you're probably confusing it with SMF which had obvious autotune for stylistic reasons, to create a distortion, back and forth in the song. LC also has a jazz live acoustic version which has zero autotune and he sounds fantastic. LC is a song that he made from the scratch about his experiences after being inspired by the movie Like Crazy. He was the main songwriter, composer, producer, he was also one of the choreographers as well. LC along with most of Jimin's song, sonically are very unique to him, which is why almost anyone who tries to cover his songs or his parts in BTS's songs usually ends up messing it up, even BTS members. The biggest example is Lie by him, which he released back in 2016, again a song he wrote and composed is still infamous for being incredibly hard to cover, whether it's the song in itself or even the choreography, let alone a proper performance with the choreography.
Whatever reason is, BP still the biggest gg in the world. I admit BP popular not because they are a perfect vocalist, perfect rapper or a perfect dancer. Nobody can't be beyonce, nobody can be nicky minaj. I mean BP are good but not the best still acceptable in industry of music. Not the best doesn't mean they are untalented. But the thing that make them popular most people see is the vibe of their music (hyping, impactful), their cool and edgy concept, strong presence, duality personality and of course the visuals. Idk why people aspect popular group or artist always be like talent of talents. BP members only have average vocalists, average rappers and average dancers. What special about them, what make people like them is the way the four of them blend with each other perfectly. Every each of them unique in different way. Different background, different vocal tone, different vibe but when it put together, it works.
@@alonelykitten888 the weakest it’s Lisa, who can’t act and can’t sing/rapp. She’s just dance. I said Jisoo bcs she always wanted to be an actress and YG never gave her that. The company Never gave lines or screen time too. So, now, as soloist, she’s way better than before. The other girls always had their time to shine in BP, and they shone more together than alone.
@@bartsimpson3275 I think Lisa can act. She has several modeling ads so definitely she can act really well. Lisa can't sing? I think her vocal tone is better than Jisoo. Jisoo has deep vocal tone with bad style and zero technique. Most people don't like her vocal tone. Anyone who new into kpop think the same way too. She always got compliment because they don't want to get cancelled by Blinks. Lisa can't rap? Now you are being delulu by saying that. If you hate Lisa, don't make it obvious by saying that she is the weakest. Cause Jisoo can't sing, can't dance, cannot even rap. Don't talk about her rap in ddu du ddu du, it doesn't sound that good too. Her acting is not that good either. Watch her snowdrops. Her acting there is so terrible. Thats kdrama popular because she is the member of BP that's all. Most of the scene shine because of the male actor, not her.
they do💀 and after their enlistment they are hating hybe even more hybe is mismanaging them dragging them unnecessarily not taking legal actions as they should rather army's suspended so many media accs who were spreading nonsense about members but I have also seen some armys only supporting hybe bcz of bts
I am army for 5 years and I don't support all hybe work I do support bts and samting we don't forget here that hybe build because of bts members hard work not management team I really hate and I don't support them sorry for my English
Lol JYP being the embarassing uncle we love is so real! 😂 Yes he has talent, yes he is funny without even trying, yes he is embarassing and sometimes I think he should retire. But despite all of this, he is a LEGEND!! GO JYPAPY!😂❤
blackpink has always been a very average group, even their music after "as if your last" was degraded dududu made no sense and was full of samples without anything new and their music that came after, but people see that now it's sad all their music after 2019 sounds all the same I wonder if their next comeback will go well because Internet users are waiting for them on the corner and if it's another remix or something else they will go crazy already that their last album was not appreciated, at their pace they are just there to make money and nothing else except rosé, and for gidle I don't really agree because after the departure of soojin gidle was extremely threatened with dissolution and gidle could not continue in the same style otherwise they would flop cube warned them that if their next comeback did not work they would separate is soyeon managed everything organized everything produced and written with the help of yuqi and minnie in the sidelines even since the beginning of the group soyeon did everything without her gidle would never have had success nor would have been so unique soojin did not have much impact on the group the proof since after her departure even now people n hadn't even noticed his departure it's rather sad but it's true especially since after his solo debut soojin received a lot of support from Neverland who hadn't even known him in a group it's the recent return of gidle who gave them their current popularity and not soojin
I don't get it when lisa does something like this why blackpink should be mentioned. Its her solo act. Let it be solo. Blackpink as a whole is a complete package. They have aura, charisma. I know they aren't like how they used be. Anyways rooting for jennie and rose new album❤
Because thats her identity and it will stick to her forever. The girls never did something to show that they are their own person, they look like girls who have been created piece to piece to fit but artistically, it’s very empty.
@ BaeBaee9 so because she was part of black pink that is dumb you should judge her alone if that’s what you’re doing because you aren’t criticizing with giving anything she should improve on.
1. When I saw Lisa's vma performance on mtv I also thought she was lip syncing but she was not yeah her vocals are not great but she was not lip syncing I suggest watching her fancams there you can hear her voice after hearing you judge whether it is upto your standard or not. About her choreography I do agree that as one of the best dancer in kpop it does not show her skills but you know the choreo is so lisa coded like seeing the it will instantly remind you of her. But I do wish that her choreo becomes more creative showcasing her skills. 2.Why are we even taking western media and award show seriously heck why are we even taking media and award shows seriously. We have seen how the west take advantage of kpop they only use kpop for clout, as long as a group are selling their album selling out their concerts consider it as successful. My opinion I love lisa's single new woman her previous solos were not for me and if she was in yg we could not had heard the song. I am glad the girls are out of yg they are now doing whatever they and we also get to see their creativity. I am most excited about Rose's solo I like her previous songs.
Taylor Swift doesn't need the VMA's, she shows up to show support for the artists who might need the boost. It's kind of a good person thing. SBS will be fine without New5050. It just shows how petty and bitter the Attrakt CEO is. I heard Cupid walking through Walmart yesterday 🙂
In my opinion. Bp as a group was never special in regard to talent. I saw this from like 2019 but people are just realizing this as the members are going solo. They just had a great company who knows how to market and promote their idols that’s all.
Lisa Is hood in dance though like really good one of the best in their gen though
exactly, they aren’t good singers and jenlisa can barely rap. calling Rose the “golden voice of korea” is a joke, i can’t stand her voice most times and there’s so many idols who are deserving of that title. Jisoo’s voice is always horrible to me. people call their solo’s “flops” but i think it’s the best that they can do as soloist.
I kind of agree but you can't deny that they have star quality and charisma that's why a lot people love them. At this point it doesn't matter if they're not good at singing and dancing, they just need to be decent at it
Horrible take. if YG 'great company who knows how to market and promote their idols' , their boygroup should be big as bigbang by now . just look at Winner and Ikon they never hold a concert outside asia eventhough ikon Love Scenario is their mega hits song. Just accept the fact ppl liked BP bcs of their song and live perfomance and stop being a hater.
That’s a fucking lie blackpink together is incredible ! From their first day to now !
The real problem with Lisa it’s that she wants to push herself soooo hard to the western but she is lacking in so many areas. Like girl, if you are gonna give us something just do it and stop pretending you actually know how to do everything. Practice your singing abilities and stop screaming when you rap cause that’s the only thing she does, scream her lungs out to “hyped” the crowd, however I must say that blinks and her solo stans has the one to blame cause they are the ones trying to put her on a pedestal. Girl give us nothing and yet they think it was phenomenal. THE BAR ITS REALLY ON THE FLOOR PEOPLE. Blackpink as a whole has been showing lately that the problem was really not YG after all but them as “artist” cause at this point I might start cataloguing them as “idols” cause they only excelled in performances where all eyes are on them like Coachella, but after that, that’s really nothing, like when they perform pink venom at the VMAS. If they are going to keep performing this poorly and giving content which are just remakes and samples just don’t, cause at this point Lisa’s whole discography will be samples or remakes.
erm its not that deep girl. jeez y'all don like them yet still write english essays on them i have no clue why spend so much time analyzing literally nothing. Live a little pookie
@@marihanramos5443 oh what those girls did to you 😭
I do think it’s also nervousness.
Yes these girls been in the music industry for a long time but they are all used to being a group that’s controlled by everyone around them. They are opened to independents in their music and directly Lisa is showing she is kinda dipping her foot in different waters to see what temp she likes. She all over the place right now but she will be fine
I follow western music longer than Kpop & for western music singers singing live is really important. It's the norm, it's the requirement. U don't have to sound flawless, u can sing shakily, out of tune here & there but u need to sing live. I saw a lot of western artist got cancelled bcz they got caught lip syncing. & I also saw a lot of those artist braving criticism but still serve live vocal & I saw them improve along the way. Being Kpop Idol u can get away with lip syncing since for some it's the norm, but to thrive in western music industry & to gain loyal fans in their home country u have to meet their standard.
She is a good performance, she has a great concept & vision of what she wants to do, she always the 1 who give 100 when she was in a group, but she clearly show that she need a lot of practice to perform solo. & to do that she need to brave any criticsm when she decided to really sing live. She can do it if she wants to.
@@yellowgreensun Lol crazy cuz i just made a comment about his but I disagree, defo not the norm, people really only care about the music and unless youre just not singing at all they wont even really know youre lip syncing, its funny really cuz many will claim their artist is singing live while also hearing blatant autotune.😭For example, I hate to dawg beyonce , she can sing live but for many of her perfomances she sings with a backtrack so most of the song it isnt even her real voice, but as long as it looks like youre singing people really dont care.
The problem with Lisa is that she doesn't fit the Western standard , fans of pop music put more important or value on live vocals than performance or dancing, whilst K-pop Stan's are all about the flashy performance and really don't give much value to live vocals, and lisa vocals are not just it , she's more focused on dancing and performance rather the live vocals.
Well Duh 😂 you cant fit something youre not 😂
kpop stans are about flashy performances? Uhm..not EXO-ls tho. If you stan EXO, it is always about the VOCALS.
She is not even putting any effort in dancing and performance
@@rkdo9554exo have been caught lipsyncing in their concerts multiple times, they have good voices but not that good either when you look at the western voices out there.
Western industry likes unique performers. If you're not white or black you need to create your own identity.
1: No way these blinks/ solo stans are the first one's to call out other idols for doing the SAME and when it's about them they act like they're still under maintenance & need more time to improve. The double standards are crazy!
More like triple standards..
@@naegabyeonnhae momo was one of their victims
@@nuellawayne2308 who is Momo?
Who did they call out?
@@FIERYSWEET she is a member of twice
To this day Im still wandering how a thai act with English song got vma for kpop..... Let's not mention Lisa's song rockstar had just come out and already nominated??? And was also garbage compared to so many actual great kpop song that came out.
Also I really thought lisa was the best performer in bp with Jennie giving half energy, rosé basically a corpse with 0 expression and Jisooo..who cant dance nor sing. If lisa whose supposed to be the best can't even perform well alone imagibe the others😂😂.
she has signed in RCA records which is owned by sony ent they gave her name under these categories cuz they knew she is gonna win
It would be a war & she actually got no chance for winning Best pop with that medicore song...
Poor Rose now she looks like skeleton 😢
Lisa know her fanbase will defend her as death even she regressed as dancer...and didnt trying improved her live vocal .Same if this is important in western the stars know sing asleast they re médiocre singers they will dancing like pro while hard choregraphy for impressed the public.
Lisa didnt done that at all...
👏👏👏👏
@@lavienrosewon8811 we call that pretty privilege, debuting in YG and having a rich BF.
@@marihanramos5443 she’s not pretty
@@marihanramos5443 nope. She is not born gorgeous. Talentless singer Lisa is nothing without her boyfriend aka Israhell support.
@@lavienrosewon8811 literlaly western artists like Ariana grande who are power houses on the vocal department still improve on themselves. She did so much training for wicked. And lots of idols in the kpop industry also keep improving even if they’re already good at dancing, singing or rapping. Bp just has pretty privilege. I haven’t ever heard or seen anyone say the group has improved a lot on vocals dance or rap or even quality of music
Her stage should of been at the pre show clearly she’s not talented enough for the main stage yet
1. I love Lisa but the whole lip-syncing issue has been really disappointing. I saw a tweet the other day along the lines of, "What was the point of the training boot camp then?" and it's so true. You'd think that she could give a live performance as she's trained under the rigorous trainee system for a long time (where trainees practice singing and dancing simultaneously) and she's been an idol for almost a decade. 😭
Lisa is talentless old slat Sandara Park 2.0. They get job in YG cause they from Thailand/Philippines. They are nothing without Philippines/Thailand connection.
Yg being racist towards lisa you know. It was never the goal for them to let lisa outshine her members so they were searching for a foreign supporting performer, taking the parts of rapping here and there and dancing. They didn't train her in singing that hard like jisoo. Jisoo can't sing but she got so many singing lessons. Jennie and rose are the only ones who are real singers
because all blackpink are rich kids selected for the importance of their family nothing else a lot of former trainees left the agency because of favoritism and everything else if they had selected bp for their talents they would have had a totally different group
@@0Jamie0 why do you bring racism into a discussion about talent? and if they were so racist why not have chosen someone else during the selections? there was much better talent in the interns, they chose lisa because of her family, everything comes from rich families, many yg interns left the agency because of that
@@Loof-o3t Lisa is not from a rich family tho 😂
*My opinion (no hate)*
I think Lisa is trying to give a little bit of everything without actually focusing on a specific category or making an effort to be known for [something]. She's trying to give us more vocal songs like New woman and Moonlit floor, but lip syncing most of it, also trying to still rap but they aren't that impactful or just short verses, trying to give choreo but not show-stopping dance breaks as she used to do (yes, some people even billboard be saying that choreography was missing something in VMAs). So at the end, she's not excelling in any of these categories to be able to build a strong identity as LISA the soloist. What comes to mind when you think about Taeyeon, IU, Rosé? You expect them to sing, give you emotionss and some cute dance but it's not a MUST, they're known as vocalists and that's just fine. Chaeyeon? Chung ha? They're gonna singgg, yes, but mostly known for awesome choreo and dance breaks. Jessi, CL? not even need to explain it.
As much as it's great that Lisa is exploring a little bit of everything we don't exactly know her strong suit yet, we thought it was dancing but at least in her solo stages so far there hasn't been much of an impact or memorable moments, some people even commented that she's walking and doing hand moves more than anything and this kind of comments aren't common for someone like Lisa... I hope she picks a side, wanna sing more? of course she has the potential, but we need that mic 'LLOUD', or do you want to be known as a dancer? DANCE mama.
No hate, I hope the best for Lisa, it's obvious she has great potential
I think her American label or producers don’t know where to put her. Let’s face it she is not a rapper. She is given verses, she practices how to say it and that’s it. That’s how is in kpop. Of course there’s a few in kpop that understand what rap is and the culture but Lisa is imitating “swag” bc is cool” but she in my opinion not an artist. She might have charisma and moves but that’s it.
Definitely. I do think she is just trying to test out the waters. She trying to figure out what works for her which is fine but for a bit her songs and performances gonna be rocky. I think she also trying to figure out what works for her vocally and rap wise too. I do think she got interesting vocals cus that pre chorus in new women was music to my ears.
She will be fine a year or two at most
@@yomarysanchez1808I think she could be a rapper if she tried. She got a nice flow but she would have to start from the start with practice freestyles and practice writing raps
@@yomarysanchez1808 her style of rapping is called "pop rap", hence why shes not a real "rapper", common for many artist actually, most kpop songs are pop rap, ariana grande is pop rap, rapping thats more rhyme based than hip hop. I think she does fine, its quite literally her genre. But yea I get what youre saying, since her solo debut her whole styles just random, Im not so sure she really sees herself as lisa now and not lisa from blackpink. Shes giving but its not anything new? I hate to say it but with the route shes going shes really not making it out of the "Kpop" scene cuz thats what many people still see her as sadly.
@@yomarysanchez1808 she raps good 😊 maybe not the style you love which is okay I don't like Kanye West , Travis Scott or Changbin's rap but they do just fine I promise you.
just one thing: let's not forget that over the years the level of blackpink has dropped drastically, they were and are praised for THE BARE MINIMUM; however Lisa has always stood out compared to the others, and has always been highly praised for this, even if (I'm sorry but this must be admitted) she isn't a great artist either..... but the expectations for them are so low that it's enough to move slightly more than the others to become the best performer among blackpink.
So, in my opinion, Lisa has adopted this mentality over time: "it takes very little for me to be treated like a divinity". Probably she's truly convinced that she's a real star, a diva, and that you don't need who knows what to make a good impression and conquer the West, that's why the best she can do on stage is making sexy faces and moving hips a little. however, unfortunately for her, now that she's a soloist and alone on stage, without the other members of blackpink, the mediocrity and lack of talent are CLEAR, and those who deny it need to grow mentally and learn to admit the truth.
To this, we can add the fact that she is self-centered like a peacock: music made only to show her body, the constant repetition of her name as if it were a status symbol, the super fake personality during interviews and on stage, etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm aware that she's not the only one who does this. The point is that vanity and talent must be proportional: Ariana Grande, for example, focuses a LOT on herself, but at the same time she knows how to sing like a goddess, she has one of the most beautiful voices out there; she also knows how to write songs, dance, entertain, act, etc. Conversely, for example, Selena Gomez is not very good, but she doesn't spend time shouting "SeLeNa" in songs, nor does she try to make fun of her audience, she has always made it very clear that her real talent is acting and she found herself becoming a pop star due to "bureaucratic issues" (Disney, if you know what I mean...). But Lisa, for God's sake, has songs that talk about how incredible she is, one of them is even named after her, yet she keeps giving nothing. recently, she also had the opportunity to prove the opposite by participating in a video on a UA-cam channel where singers have to sing live, yet she failed this time too, mostly rapping and purposely avoiding all the high notes.
I really hope she won't become a real popstar, because it would be just a lack of respect for real artists.
I said what i said, sorry not sorry
EDIT: I say this for all the blinks who will come below to annoy me with the most senseless reasons (since some, as expected, have already arrived): I WANT PROOF. if you want me to change my mind, you have to prove it with FACTS. otherwise for me you remain parrots repeating the classic cheap excuses, and i won't respond to people like you.
This!
this is crazy. All this becuz she lip synced in her performance? i assure critisicm is necessary but its really not this deep. You sound more like an anti rather than an audience cuz of all the nit picked assumptions you made about what she thinks of HERSELF (not even her fans would know wtv bs you thought she is) and also about her so called "fake" personality. I get it, her performance is mediocre (no logic here either cu she only lip synced in one song out of the 5 songs she did and no VMA was live) u have all the right to bash her for it but this is a bit over the line
What are you so pressed
This is a hate comment.
I do think you made good points about her in blackpink but everything after is you being hateful since “super fake personality during interviews” is you having personal issues with her with no backbone to it. She did get a lot of praise in blackpink for the bare minimum which is simply doing a good performance. Esp last year. HOWEVER, that’s not the issue right now.
She is currently struggling with an identity crisis. You mention her being “self centered” which is funny cus you can argue this for mass majority of celebrities… including your faves. Lisa is new to being solo so it’s clear she is kinda struggling right now to figure out her sound, her vibe, etc. y’all need to give her a chance to breathe
@@laytip This is exactly what i mean, i'm not even a blink yet u assumed that cuz i said you're so called "opinion" is way to deep and dramatic?? Why not just accept the fact that you're an anti and not just expressing your thoughts (based on you mocking and insulting the GIRLS themselves and not their mistakes and actions) your recent comment is also mocking the girls as if they haven't worked their asses off to be at this position. And sure i can present plenty of links here since your egoistic and lazy ass can't do it yourself, for starters we have the encores from the inkigayo wins and then :
1. ua-cam.com/video/VLpUsmBafMQ/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
2. ua-cam.com/video/_7TMluHVx4Y/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
3. ua-cam.com/video/jubpICnlc-Q/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
4. ua-cam.com/video/-6XwN_wu3KU/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
5. ua-cam.com/video/a5gUds01aXY/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
6. ua-cam.com/video/_HhAzr5DLik/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
7. ua-cam.com/video/-9R59Lg8k3w/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
8. ua-cam.com/video/BZKW9zi47no/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
9. ua-cam.com/video/u28ZvPkiGHw/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
10. ua-cam.com/video/oU8eidVzeSQ/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
I can keep going on and on but that would just hurt your ass so i'll let it be here :3333
I feel like Lisa dk what to do when alone. She dances too soft n lax. She hides behind super loud backtrack, it's ridiculous. You can't hear her alot
She lip sync at global citizens which is usually live for all performers
they defended her so badly in VMAs but can't defend her anymore after her performance in global citizen 💀 she is Lucky that she getting so many big stages to perform then why don't she gives her best anymore lip syncing even when there is no choreo I'm sick of her and her fandom now
Actually only Lilies supported her. I am a Blink but mainly a Jennie stan so the groups I follow either not mention her or criticised her
@@musicinterest-dibLillies and the majority of BLINK overhyped Lisa..
@@musicinterest-dib well she can attract new ppls with her perf as the kind of stages she is performing on I don't have issue with her but girly should at least give her best eye rolling ,being savage on the stage isn't the only job an artist do
I think y’all care too much about lip syncing. The VMAS was both live and lip sync which is fine. This as well is also fine.
I do wish she did more on stage this recent preformance but lip syncing is never that serious
@@AUGHHHHHBBG if you are ok with paying money to an artist who just dances or sits there and just moves their lips mostly then that's good but im not i would prefer my fav artist to sing ,dance and perform energetically cuz that's what im paying my money for if you don't care about lip sync then its your opinion but i don't agree with it
Petitioning for Lisa to take singing lessons!!! She can't carry on with lip syncing through her career on international stages. Its very sad that she doesn't care to listen what people are saying about her live performances. I think she needs to hire someone who will tell her the truth not kiss her arse. 😩
Just give her some time she will be a banger🎉
I don’t know if singing lessons what she need yet cus we haven’t heard her sing live recently. If she do a live performance and sing bad then yea she needs it but man idk if it’s her record label, her, the award shows, etc that making her lip sync. We just gonna wait
I think lisa should work on her imperfections before trying to do a comeback
I just watched global citizen festival video, and honestly ppl she sang only 10% of her songs, she dint have a powerfull dance break, you can clearly see/listen her mic was on but she was lipsyncing, and when she actually sang you can hear how different she sounds than her recorded verson, she sang mostly in Rockstar, and thats it. I dont know what is all the hype around her about. Moonlit floor was a total lipsync.
2. SO TRUE. Vmas arent to be taken as srsly as people take them, i mean why should we when they give "attendance awards" ??
They don't care about awards.
They used to hate other idols
The VMA is an award show of choice take it seriously
@@songkang3xsrvx Not just vmas. Every music related award is just a big joke to everybody including the Grammys. All music award shows seem scripted
@@MCFCJake i wasn't talking about awards. I was talking about kpop fans
@@songkang3xsrvx awards are a shit show too nobody takes them seriously unless they are crazy
1. She is mediocre and she just proved that her giving us a bunch of music is no use if she is going to be lazy while performing when her fans pay so much just to watch her perform she lip synced bc she knows her fans will defend her blinks are spoiling her face reality guys she isnt a very special performer when she is performing as a soloist
3. Agreed many armies speak against hybe
That "new" song is one I've heard for decades. Can't pull that crap on a Western audience, you're gonna have to come with YOUR OWN music.
1.It's damn funny when blinks are yapping in the comments on how we're hating on her while the first in line are blinks when hating everyone like when are y'all gonna quit the victim card
PREACH!!!!
when are y'all gonna stop pulling this argument everyrime you wan to justify hate ?
*everytime
@@seulginess Because yall do the same 😀 Blinks and Armys are the first ones to hate when it comes to other female idols, so why are they angry at each other if they both do the same?💀 the whole K-pop fandom is like that. Have you seen the Yoongi scouter incident? the people on the first line were Blinks. Have you seen the time when Jennie was smoking indoors? Armys were the ones in the front line. If Blinks are not stopping why should Armys stop too?
@@seulginessbut it’s not hate lol learn the difference also some blinks are toxic asf
when you actually watch her properly you realise Lisa isn't actually that great of a dancer, she's just confident and when you have members that are also below regular idol dancers it makes her look better.
The other members are good tho
@@M_ary_ammNah the others are worse at every aspect. Lisa was just better than them, that's why she shined in the group. But she has her own set of flaws like live singing, and bad vocals, which just gets highlighted when she is performing alone on stage.
Lisa is a really good dancer though but yeah she's a better performer than dancer.
@@moonchild7425 I still disagree that the other members were worse
I feel Momo, Seulgi and tons of other kpop idols are better dancers than Lisa but thats just my opinion🤷♀️
1: I honestly don't get why BLINKS & LILY's were defending her for her mediocre VMA's performance when the evidence was RIGHT in front of our faces. Lisa has been caught lip-syncing so many times, it's crazy how it smoothly gets shoved away under the rug. Miss girl was lip-syncing on the BORN PINK tour. And now that people do talk about Lisa's mic... I can't help but wonder, what is even the point of her using one when she has a whole ass back-track playing FOR HER? It's literally the most useless and unused prop she has on stage when performing. She lets the back tracking sing for herself when it's supposed be her doing most of the work for singing.
how many times do you not fact check the bs you say? she DID NOT lip sync in her VMA performances and as proof the fancams are right infront of you. Global citizen festival was half lip syncing and half live. She sang live the first 2 songs and then gave up which i would too since yall would bash her anyway
Thanks for proving my point 😂@@sanainthesky
Frr they were coming with weird excuses just to defend her
@@_JustArandomMultistan_ mf you made no point, i'm defending her from whats right. She barely lip synced and thats a fact go argue with the wall
And you ignoring the proof right in front of her
2NE1 had 10 times the talent and yet never was given the same opportunities. All because they weren't the pretty girls. Blackpink had potential but they never really were focused on the music. So many better groups now which burry them in just about every way possible. Lisa can dance but she is no BoA or Minzy.
Fr and blackpinks debut songs were also meant for 2ne1 and du du du du that’s why the raps were so fast
Pretty privilege exists, deal with it
@@BlazinNSoul nope. Ur talentless ajhumma dara Will Collapse after battle with Lisa on stage.
@@BlazinNSoul aneroxia blackpink are born from ur aneroxia talentless Dara.
Yeah BP debuted known as the "pretty version of 2NE1"
I think she's not use to being a solo artist and this is a big wake up call for her. She can either choose to grow or just keep going w/ what shes doing now. Take Dua Lipa and even Beyonce early one. They werent terrible but they took the critique and grew. Being in a group, you can space out the weakness and weight of things but when you are solo you have to work even harder and more eyes are on them alone. She has to learn how to perform as a solo artist. It needs to be big especially if you are on the same bill as Doja Cat, Megan thee Stallion, and Sabrina Carpenter. Your performance will look/be received as underwhelming. Relying on backing tracks shouldnt be a thing when you are considered the best of the best. It should support you not carry you especially during ballots.
Ballads
Beyonce was always considered the most talented pop star since destiny’s child. I have no idea who you’re talking abt but it’s definitely not Beyonce, that woman has been training since she was child bfr.
In my not so humble opinion, since I began listening to K-pop six years ago I've always liked JYP, he's funny and a living legend.
I really don't care too much about Lisa, her fans are the problem, she won't change as an artist because her fans will always shield her from the truth. I'm waiting for Jisoo's new music.
Also why is she still getting nominated in kpop categories if she no longer does kpop. . Also mean did her songs create any buss in America
Her songs got low streams in the US all her streams come from Thailand
@@Fearless.cat1209not really
@@mahekmittal6304 absolutely. I've checked on an official release of official streams on an official website. And it has been confirmed in a videonas well. Thus, I am right.
I always do research before splitting facts.
Now sit down ☕
Again!! Stop saying armys are hybe fans! Stop bc is not true. We are not defending hybe we are smart and in this case we see who is manipulating the feud between mhj n hybe. We are against mhj bc of what she is doing to bts especially. We don’t like hybe either but be realistic hybe outsmart mhj . Hybe is silent while mhj is dragging the drama. We only want mhj and nj out of the building far from our boys! If ppl attack hybe is an attack on bts automatically and we are not allowing that shit.
Well most Armys are HYBE STANS
It started in 2020
Blackpink has always been just a regular mid group talent and music wise. After ddu, they just grew a large fan base even tho the song is literally just a repeat of boombaya
@@enthusiast8017 boombayah and dddd do not even sound remotely the same 😂
No one hates on lisa its just disappointing how shes a great performer but hher stages have been nothing but boring this whole time you lilies in the comment section screaming hate are not helping at all she will not improve in the vocal sector if yall going to sugar coat her like i watched the performance and all the other artist you could hear them but for her she like sang a little jn the beginning and screamed like she usually does her fans keep saying shes a rapper then she should rap if cant sing like she has been doing this job for 8 years but cant sing a single song live thats a shame honestly embarrassing to say the least people are vocal because she was the claimed best in BP where the hell is that i would understand if her chero was difficult but she hasnt even put out a dance performance that shows her full potential like how can you dance so wonderfully in your covers then give us half assed nonsense for your solos loke she not doing anything mjnd blowing and when people voice those opinions her fans start crying hate nope its the truth which many of you refuse to see i would love to see her perform that new song of hers while she seats with instrumental then we we speak like she was lip syncing 80% during her glb cztn performance its just a shame honestly so its either she goes to singing classes and improves or we will keep telling she cant sing well because she cant sing its facts you guys blamed yg for everything just for her to put out the shame lame performance and cherographies 😂😂 like am sorry and shes is called the queen of kpop please stop give the title to someone who can actually present an amazing live i repeat live performance , she hangs with tyla and sabrina right maybe she should ask for some tips lol
She can't be the Queen of Kpop who is lying to you?
I used to stan bp, i remember being a fan immediately after watching Whistle& Boombayah but between 2018/2019 i got tired of.their music,rare comeback & their energy dropped tremendously I swear to god I think i'm of those few fans who immediately saw Jennie's lazyness on stage I used to believe those excuses made by blinks but girl those excuses became questionable
Jennie is great though, she is doing amazing now so you don’t have to worry about her
Bruh VMAs are just voting, tf? You can create 100 accounts to vote for ur fav. Tf people taking them seriously?
6:45 no. Idols SHOULD be good at their jobs, you’re forgetting that they have to train for some time before debuting which should be enough time to get you to be good at your job. sure being a doctor and idol aren’t the same thing but i get what that anonymous person is saying. how are you going to train for 2+ years straight and be in the industry for some time and still be bad at your job??
I think the point is "good" is different than "perfect".
She learned a foreign language and is performing in it whether in blackpink or now. Give credit to her for that.
@@karinchu-l3d so many idols left their home countries and learned Korean in order to debut, she's not special.
Plus she's been living in Korea for like a decade at this point, giving her credit for that should no longer be a relevant thing.
“The bar is underground.” im dead 😂
As a BTS fan you're right for me at least. If BTS leave HYBE at some point my loyalty goes with them not HYBE.
Frr
Yep me to
Fr
Exactly
I was bp fan back till 2022 ( upto shutdown comeback) . They reached their peak popularity in 2020 . But after that they have just used this popularity as a sheild to cover up most mid performance. Especially Lisa, she can dance but nowadays her dance is no different than a stripper. She is putting bare minimum efforts and knows her fan will defend her. She has more passion in pole dancing than singing live. Lip sync once twice is okay but how u manage to call ur self a artist if u lip sync 90% times. She really set the standards underground now.
Thx for leaving the fandom 😊 . Btw i am a proud blink .
I'm sick of hearing people commenting that aespa are copying xg on their latest photo teasers
The photos literally look like aespa savage era it was their concept before xg's debut
Just because they changed the concept for a while doesn't mean when they went back to it that they are copying xg
LMFAO.. who cares.
@@KpopSTAN_R_DeLuSi0naL in every post of aespa recently I see
xg ??
Aespa songs are so similar to xg this year
@el_kpop7491 Aespa can copied XG concepts all they want. They can not rock outer space/Alien concept like XG can. I'm waiting for Katrina to shave her head like Cocona lol.
@@KpopSTAN_R_DeLuSi0naL bro 😂😂😂
Yes you're right let's wait for the soty whiplash to come and don't care about haters
( time is passing so slow btw )
@@KpopSTAN_R_DeLuSi0naLsm has been doing alien concepts way before xg debut
Lisa in the concert only shouting a few words and just dance ... Litterally 😅
The great hypocrisy of kpop, you criticize le sserafim and illit for doing the same but at least they still have time to improve and you justify the mediocrity of lisa, an idol who is already a veteran and who is supposed to have been in the group for years music industry, but if she doesn't sing live that't fine, the so-called queen of kpop is a delirious shame, the stupidity of kpop in incredible
I don’t think anyone should get criticism for lip syncing even tho that did happen with illit and lsfm.
They got criticism directly for bad vocal performances. Lisa didn’t have a bad vocal performance cus the two performances getting hate are lip sync and nobody had anything to say about when she performed rockstar
You are the hypocrite one
Lisa is Rapper not vocalist
Lee sserafim Illit members they are vocalists so Their main job is to sing
Stop making this shit excuse
When did they justify Lisa, did we watch the same video ? 😂
@@alvi_omi saying shes a rapper is fucking insult to rappers.
Nah Lizard is putting out songs which are vocal based. If she sucks then she should have stick to her cringe ass blaccent rap. She doesn't even rap live so idk what are talking about you Lizard stan. 😂
@@MingyuScoupsDKHoshi you are jealous of her beauty
1. I realized she is not even a good dancer. Her dance skill is mid. She looks good because her bandmates dance skill are miserable compare to her.
2. She is not new in the industry, her fans should stop making excuse on why she lipsync. You guys dragged lesserafim and other hybe idols for bad singing, accuse sakura afraid of singing, and now the very same thing happen to your own idol suddenly it's okay to lipsync 😅 Oh the hypocrisy. If it were hybe idols y'all would hate them like they commit crime.
Typical Army😂
@@alvi_omiweak ass reply
Your fist point would have been true if she never had any solo performances where she shined on her own due to her dancing and stage presence. Nice try.
@@jeneveuxpasdiremonnom1198 she's stiff. Coming from a dancer
Dont tell me that dancers on UA-cam praised her . No they were just lying so her 12 y.o fandom will not get mad
@@MingyuScoupsDKHoshi from another dancer I disagree. And people have every right to, and just because your opinion is different doesn't mean everyone else is wrong. Your opinion is not a fact, grow up.
8: I feel like JYP does a lot of cringe-worthy stuff because he’s basically known for it internationally, and that’s the image he’s sticking with. He’s leaning into being the funny, awkward laughingstock just to stay relevant and grab attention. It’s like he’s trying so hard to maintain that “quirky” persona, even if it ends up being embarrassing. He knows it's what people expect, and he's using it as a cheap way to stay in the spotlight, even if it means looking ridiculous.
The most authentic member is Rosé. She never tried to please others and did her own taste of music and solos with otg and gone. She just wants to make music.
Nah I would say Jennie is the most authentic now and she is consistent, Rose’s voice can get so annoying most of the tume
@@mahekmittal6304 you mean rosé's voice is not something of your preference because I like her voice very much her songs and covers give me satisfaction and peace ❤ so she's the most authentic one in bp she makes music because she likes to do it not for the fame and views
lisa was dubbed as 'best dancer of kpop' its hilarious. in my very humble opinion, she's only getting the fame she has for her new album because of her k-pop background, it probably wouldn't make a dent in the western music standards, she's only getting attention due to blinks. most blinks are blinded by how much they love her, they'll defend her for anything, lip-syncing, lazy moves, whatever she does. but they're pretty much just defending her for the sake of defending her, not noticing the mistakes.
this is my opinion, blinks, don't come for me.
armys are insanely loyal to their idols, admirable, and yeah, considering how hybe treats its groups, i don't blame them from leaving hybe in the dust.
jyp's staying relevant by being 'weird' and cringe, and its working, its impressive tbh. he's iconic but he isn't exactly a saint either.
Still an amazing dancer just not a good singer. She wouldn't have made it without bp but tbh so does 90% of idols.
Her dancing is not even as good as Lee Chaeyeon (ex izone) even her got humbled by real dancers when she joined Street Women Fighter 🤷🏻♀️
But at least BTS got talent so armys can't be blamed for defending their faves whereas BP lazy performances are very questionable and they never wrote a single song
@@Fearless.cat1209 "lazy performance" yes, "never wrote any songs" ? Nah 😂
There is a thing called God's blessings. Lisa has that. That's why she's where she's now. Lots of people consider her a great dancer.
i really want to like lisa as solo but i feel like she doesnt know her real self compared to say rose who seems to have more clear pciture of what she want from her full album. im very interested to see how rose turns out her solo performances i think shes got bit more musical interest and no offence to lisa but i think she and jennie are mainly interested in the benefits they get from being in blackpink whilst not really meet their full potential and being limited to only doing certain style of performing. some idols are just unsutable for solo and its ok for an idol to not need to be soloist especially jf they cant really push themselves out fo their comfort zone.
@ randomuser-nt9if Rosé? I haven’t seen anything from her yet so what are you on about lol?
Compare Lisa on global citizen and then go to the jk performance. Jk did choreo and sang ! The mic was on! He sang ballad in Korean and everyone in the crowd were singing word for word. Come back and talk to me later about real demand.
Lisa was trained to rap verses with less comeback and jk is known for his vocals.This is an unnecessary comparism and artists grow.I see Lisa being active in the music industry and she does sing live but she needs breath control.She will grow.You can criticize but i believe she will improve.
@@yomarysanchez1808 there’s one thing to criticize but here your just trying to bring her down so jk looks more talented nothing about this was talking about her performances but just jk sum of y’all are down bad 💀
Idk why y’all compare JK to Lisa when the skills are different. JK been a very skilled guy for a while. Debatably a triple threat/all rounder.
Lisa is skilled but she isn’t on his level so this is like comparing ice spice to Nicki Minaj. Same field but not same skill to be compared
Yep that's true
@@mavisamevorshie1302😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Every time Lisa uses the mic she ether mumbles under the backtrack for 4 seconds, lip syncs and pretends to sing or shout out words. That’s literally it. It’s very disappointing.
Just because lisa is successful in korea she won't be in western just because she's good at dancing she won't be at western
She will be successful globally😂
@@nishathaprosa7151 she looked good and best with bp because other girls were worst . That highlited her but seeing her solo is like boring
even his dancing is average compared to the rest of kpop honestly
@@Loof-o3t nah
Probably asa dancer, certainly not as a singer
jennie and rose better than her
Especially rose deserve more.❤
True ❤
As an older blink its so disappointing to see how BP turned out. I was a fan since day one. I am sorry but all their solo songs were/are mediocre. As a group they had this ‘it’ factor vibe that they seem to be missing as solo members.
And as an older blink since 2017, I personally think they have a stronger ‘it’ factor as solo artists but I respect your opinion! Have a good day.
I have been a big supporter of Lisa but her songs fail to live up to the expectations. She's experimenting so it's fine but her stage performance IS STRAIGHT UP GOING DOWNHILL. The VMA did looked like she was lip syncing, even if she's doing it ATLEAST OWN THE DAMN STAGE since she doesn't have to go hard on the vocals. You go lazy on performance because your vocals get compromised. Her performances have been so lazy these days that I do not feel the heart to support her anymore. I would have expected this kind of performance from Rose/Jisoo minus the lip sync because they will concentrate on their vocals more than performance but Lisa come one girl, you are doing neither.
Look at Taylor Swift, she does 3 hours of concert and still gives it her all. Lisa is a performer, she should be owing it, instead she is giving the american girl group performances. Do a bit here, do a bit there, smile, sing. I just want her do well but I just feel bad she's going downhill. Moonlit floor would have been such a great video but she chose not to, sigh! I am just disappointed
I mean She is not even doing that well in America her songs are not even charting there she only does well in global Spotify. I feel like she thought that she can get away with being average which she can if only she has songs that Americans like but they are not paying attention to her songs. She does not know what she wants I hope her album is better
I remember the time lisa was compared with momo
That momo ended up being dragged
Momo had every of her fan cams monitored for the slightest mistake
Those were fun times in kpop(2019-20)
Ik rightttt hypocrisy is well and alive
Well I will be honest, you are mentioning Momo here as if she is so much better but in reality even though Lisa doesn't actually sing that well, Momo isn't any better and is much worse tbf
@@MCFCJake how is she worse?
@@Ikillstars because I have ears and I can listen that's how she is worse as simple as that
@@Ikillstars because I have ears that I can use to listen that's how she is worse as simple as that
4: The obsession of these ppl bringing Army's into everything unrelated needs to be studied..
😂 I know
Frr
I mean every fandom got their companie's ass kisser people need to stop generalizing
I’m army since 2017 and I was really loyal to Big Hit back then until they start rebranding to HYBE and after Big Hit did to Trainee A. The only reason why we are till this day tolerating HYBE it’s because BTS trust the company, it’s because they have stocks there, it’s because they have staff there who they still trust. After removing Bang pd from his CEO position everything has been managed differently in every label.
Frr
You know who else had stocks in their own company they made big from scratch? Bigbang GD Taeyang all left yg now they may still have stocks of YG stocks mean nothing yall so delusional
Imo, Lisa was never a strong vocalist, that's why YG built her image the way they did, her previous 2 releases Lalisa and Money are the genres where she can shine the most and suitable for her tone. That's why to me Rockstar and Newwoman are not as horrible as her new song Moonlit floor 🤷🏻♀️
To be honest, when Blackpink first debuted everyone was super excited for the next "it" girl group (basically another 2ne1). Their first comeback (BOOMBAYAH was meh but I loved Whistle) was fine, I did feel that they were lacking in stage presence but since it was the first comeback everyone assumed they would improve. Quite frankly, it was the opposite. There has been no improvements at all and their music has been unbelievably boring. I don't know where the Lisa went because she slayed their debut song, but now she seems superficial and forgettable in a few years (as is almost every member in Blackpink). It's such a shame, but 2NE1's legacy and stage presence is unmatched. They really felt like grown women with so much charisma (also Mamamoo!)
So true, their personalities seem like total masks on & offscreen (acting cutesy, & the talking in the baby voice or trying to be overly "edgy" on stage even when it doesn't suit the song) it's a bit cringe tbh 😬
In terms of performance, they still have to learn how to manage the crowd, the mood & their performance. I feel that should be really basic to a performer since it's stage manners no? Anyone can go up on stage, lipsync & do half the choreo (dancers already do that mind you). An idol, or in this case what Lisa is trying to push for, an "artist" should be able to sing live and capture the crowd. Those are the STANDARDS, if you can't sing live & give your 100% if not 110% on stage, you have no right to call yourself a performer, period!
As for BP, I agree with u on how they've stayed stagnant in their skill set since the first 2 years of their debut. Yes their MVs have gotten bigger budgets since then, but have their performance skills gone up linearly too? Tough call, but I'd say no. They busy themselves with brand deals & do music like it's a side hustle & not their main job lol
But yeah, blinks support everything those girls do, so they've gotten used to having a safety blanket around themselves against any valid criticism & don't bother improving :/
And omg, I love how you mentioned 2NE1 & Mamamoo! They are literally THE STANDARD when it comes to performing live for ggs! I love Seventeen, EXO, Shinee & TVXQ as well, they're all amazing Live!
As an Army thank you. We only tolerate Hybe cause its made thanks to BTS money and effort and because the boys trust them enough to update their contract. We trust BTS and their decisions,not Hybe.
6:16 you're right. idols are not a serious job like doctors. categorically refute the notion that idols like Sakura need to be the bestest at every espect or else quit. This job is not vital, its entertainment, and kpop industry is about a visual presentation foremost , so idols like sakura are not only fine but across perfect for this job !
5. Idt it was the member leaving the group which raised their popularity tbh. Other factors play a role too. But yea, a member leaving does give some temporary spotlight to the group. Also, GIDLE with SOOJIN was way better than GIDLE without her, imo.
Pcas and vmas are for attendance. They are not transparent on how they choose because they don’t show the number of votes. Not only that but they violate their own rules to get someone on the show to perform. BP was not eligible the year they got nominated but were booked to attend and perform and got the award even though their music was out of the eligible period. Basically, the winner gets chosen by Burger King or whoever is the sponsor. Read the small print. Vmas are a joke. The AMA, the Grammys and Billboard are the only ones that actually matter because they use actual data (billboard) and votes from the industry (Grammys). It’s been proven again and again you can buy a PCA and a VMA. You can’t buy a Grammy (if you are not in their good side) a billboard or an AMA
I’ve been telling y’all all of BP was mediocre, at best, since the beginning. You stans didn’t want to listen.
And we still don't. Lisa might be giving us nothing but that doesn't say anything about the other girls
@@ThulisaVena they give less than her. The group is basic, at best.
@@whyisthisdifferentnow That's your opinion. I respect it but telling blinks that the stages are mid over and over and over isn't something you should do. You might not but us blinks actually enjoy it and they do not give less then her.
@@ThulisaVena the stages are MID. BP are basically just gloried IG influencers. That’s all.
Why r u trying to force fans to see negative about BP? Are you that Low? Let FANS ENJOY THEIR FAVES PLEASE. We don't yap when your faves make mistakes but y'all hate on BP lol get a life please
WHERE ARE THE BLONKS I MEAN BLINKS? DEFEND YOUR IDOL PLEASE SHE IS EMBARASSING BLACKPINK LMAO
We see no problem. Where's your stage ..don't lemme start on that back account.nil
Frr
@@Min-Hae37_77 scary blonks she see no problem on being lazy and lipsyncing typical blind clown fans be like LMAO
nigga gtfo we both know this is a free space for you to shit on Lisa
The American award shows just give all the awards to Taylor Swift every year. It's super redundant n boring
And K-Pop award shows just give alll the awards to BTS...
I like Taylor swift but it is true.very boring and not interesting.
@@EverRoxas like they need to stop giving it to these people it's getting very annoying
What of the Grammys?
1: I usually love seeing Lisa perform but the last two performances of her were awkward to watch..
Agreed they were boring
She is my bias and still... But i stand with reality.... Unfortunately she lose he identity.. for me the problem is she go to Hollywood and not Hollywood come to her..she have big impact in kpop and have many fan globally.. but unfortunately she go to far with west influence... Showing ass with most performance.. she make mistake going to Hollywood.. spouse Hollywood come to her.. lastly for solo stand y'all keep blinds and say y'all like it what happened to lisa now..but for me she still my bias and i hope she don't do it this mistake again to going to far with Hollywood.. and like it or not..only YG can manage ot4 as a group or solo career...
You learned how to speak english by watching american programming
@@chayo4537 but u still understand right??? That's why u comment..my English doesn't do anything to her.. it's just effect with people like u.. I suggest u learn how to stand with reality...
The problem is that Lisa have no identity, after she finally could go solo in another agency she just lost herself with all those different songs.
She wanna be a singer so bad when she knows she cannot sing, she’s not even trying live as well.
I think she should’ve start a solo career in Thailand first but ig she wanted to skip everything and just go to the high up but sadly she can’t keep up, Blinks (if not just her solo stans) are the only thing that is helping her.
And the fact that she doesn’t even mention Blinks and just Lilies or whatever, if I was a blink I would be laughing my ass off bc sweetheart, she lost touch with reality because she wouldn’t be where she is if it wasn’t thanks to blinks but ig she doesn’t care anymore LOL
@When did she say she wanted to be a singer lol? She is an artist maybe she doesn’t do that in some of her songs but either way she dances and some time might create choreography and in rockstar she played a part in lyrics.
@And what are you trying to say about Blinks lol?.. most blinks hate her guts if you haven’t seen.. most Blink cursed her and her mother because she went to Crazy Horse. Now when she crates Moonlit floor Blink are calling her boyfriend ratty for doing absolutely nothing.
I’m such a big fan of Lisa, but even I can notice how her performance skills have been lacking. I don’t know how to describe it, but watching her recently it doesn’t look as clean or engaging as I remember. Cause best believe she knows how to move and put on a show!! It really sucks cause I wanna support her solo career but I feel like the hype over her overshadows how she’s actually doing. I don’t mean to start anything lol, but I’ve been feeling this way for a while.
it has never been good in the first place, she mostly never performed live with BP as well, and the other girls covered for her in terms of live performance, all she does is dance and shout a few words along the song, if you watch BP concerts you will notice it, her fans also been covering for her by deflecting on Jennie, when Jennie actually does AMAZING live, whether be it in vocals, rap or dance, yes sometimes she lacks in the dance part, but she said multiple times she has low stamina, and again if you watch BP concerts you will see Jennie actually most of the time is giving it her all, her dance skills are amazing too, and 1 minute from the whole concert will not change that.
@@lunamorningstar55 if Jennie has low stamina why did she became a K-pop idol. You guys always find excuses for her
Also Lisa made on her own in a foreign industry unlike Jennie whose mother had connections. And Lisa is the one that stands out the most among them that's why she's the most popular one
@@lunamorningstar55 also in blackpink performance she's performing in a foreign language unlike Jennie. If Jennie can learn Thai and perform well. Then we can compare
@@karinchu-l3d y'all just love making shit up about Jennie, No one even knows what jennie's mom name is, nor do we know her occupation, y'all made narratives to suit your fave and ran with them. Lisa's performances are getting rightfully criticized, she's supposed to be a singer, not dancer, but she can't sing live, she does not even lipsync correctly. Dancing is not the priority of a singer/rapper.
@@karinchu-l3d it's kpop not thaipop, if Lisa wanted to do thai music, she would've stuck to her country, but she wanted to get into the Korean industry, so it's her choice. This is such a stupid outlook of things, cause English and Japanese are also foreign to Jennie, and she performed in both quite deliciously. Also among BP members Jennie usually gets the most baggage to carry, as she's Main Rapper & Lead singer, also has the most lines in most Bp songs, and still carries choreo on stage, the other members have less things to worry about on stage. Jennie has to juggle many things and she still EATS every stage.
Lisa was so bad
4. The army and hybe one. From my perspective, I haven't seen ARMYs stand with the company. Other fandoms have been using that narrative because ARMY aren’t siding with anyone except BTS. And let’s be real, the truth is, ARMYs hate HYBE ever since Big Hit first announced its transformation into a large corporate entity, back in 2020 or 2021 and that sentiment hasn't changed much over the years. HYBE is not a good company and you as a fan shouldn’t put a company OR a person in a pedestal for whatever reason.
Bp songs and solos are good. Their talent however... Bare minimum, nothing special
Their songs would be better if they had some variety on their title tracks, same old since dudududu (I can't remember how to spell that).
The vma are a joke
No
SO IS KPOP 😂 Its a whole gimmick of western culture 😂😂😂dummie
The vmas are a joke for accepting your kpop 😂
I feel like during the Global Citizen one the backtrack was just really really loud. I felt like the girl was fighting for her life trying to make her voice be heard.
How long will you make excuses about backtrack,the girl is just overhyped but i appreciate her fans for riding so hard for her.
No need arguing atp,let them say what they wanna. . .haters play a very big part in an artist's success 😒
@@tyrantmaloka1273 Whatever 😘😘
No cus right cue at some points it sounds like she was live singing but that backtrack was loud as hell 😭
Girl stop she wasnt even trying to sing she wasnt even pretending bc of these excuses she acts lazy
thats y she flopped in US. her songs never heard here in UK. i only hear BTS twice new jeans somgs and other kpop groups
Lies. I am currently living in the UK and have been FOR SO LONG and no K-pop song is heard here. No BTS, BP, TWICE etc etc... If fact, K-pop isn't even mentioned about AT ALL. It's only mentioned in the most offensive way ever. You'll be afraid to admit to be listening to K-pop because people say the most vile things about it. I'd say the only time where it was MOST mentioned in the most positive way ever was when BP and STRAYKIDS performed at HYDE PARK and SEVENTEEN when they performed at GLASTONBURY.
Flopping in the US? Also in the US twice got some popularity but they are not common. The main groups here is blackpink and BTS. Additionally groups are most of hybe girl groups (ILLIT, Newjeans, lsfm, katseye)
Girl bff kpop isnt mainstream in the UK
@@AUGHHHHHBBGpayola groups without fans, lmao
Kpop isn't mainstream anymore except in the Asian continent
5: All I'm saying, is that, Soojin left at the peak of (G)I-DLE's popularity and success. I suppose the same thing can be said for Jini and Garam? 🤷🏻♀️ But we have to admit, them unfortunately leaving, did boost their popularity and did give them attention.
Let’s be real for a moment bp had nothing special since the start they were just hyped up and had a good producer slash great marketing from a *major* company like if I’m gonna be real the only one with charisma is jennie and to add she also had the western appeal and knows what to do so it helps the other’s skills are mediocre any Kpop trainee that spent time in the industry can do what they do and even be better and I ain’t being a hater I’m just being truthful but of course their fans won’t accept the criticism or the truth
This is not truth , you see them Midcore this is your oppion but me and blinks seeing them special is your oppion
Calling your oppion a critical truth are you nrml ??
I Stan a lot of GG almost every SM , YG GG but still love something about BP I like them they're so good
A lot of company try to create the second BP but failed hard look at hype with lsfm 😄 their marketing is amazing but still don't reach even of BP half
Lisa CAN'T sing! She's being masked in BP because the other 3 girls can sing. She's a dancer who thinks she can sing. She's the unnie of eyelit 😂😂
The other 3 cant sing though. Rose can sing, Jennie can’t sing but at least she can rap, and Jisoo is just there to be pretty
Jennie can't sing
Can the others sing tho? In a level that can actually compete with their fellow 3rd Gen vocals? The answer is no.
Jennie is tone deaf- she can't sing either. Neither can Jisoo. Rosé is a mediocre singer.
@@Ri57490lets not lie now. Jennie might not be the best singer but girlie can sing to get by as an solo artist atleast. She might not be belting notes but she can hold a note.
And rosie is a good singer. Her voice might not be your preference but she can sing.
VMAs was always my favorite award show growing up, but it's cooked for sure lmao
Me too. It used to be so good
Cooked is american lingo
@@chayo4537 I'm American...
I think she is very talented. However, none of her recent stuff is groundbreaking to me. The choreography is the same ra-ra over-sexualized cheerleader dances. For all the hype surrounding her, where is the edge? The uniqueness?
6: Apologies, but that opinion is not only misguided but also quite naive. As a former student midwife, my role involved caring for both mothers and babies during pregnancy, childbirth, and postpartum recovery. While it’s not the same as being a doctor, the responsibility was immense-ensuring the health and safety of both mother and child, often in critical situations. That level of care requires skill, knowledge, and a profound understanding of life-and-death matters. Meanwhile, when a K-pop idol faces illness or an issue, the worst outcome is an outcry from immature fans, and the effects don't continue to hurt them for the rest of those fans lives. Comparing these two situations and reducing it to “this is life, you either eat or get eaten” is not only oversimplified but deeply insulting.
I think the person who sent that opinion takes kpop a bit too seriously
Literally BIGHIT is trending for their TRASHY BEHAVIOUR now... and sayn armys stan hybe is peak comedy
If 2ne1 didn't disband they would never got this big i believe. On the debut days (which basically the most important periode of time) people look forward for them bcs they thought bp would be the replacement of 2ne1
LMAO. Cry about it.
Y'all like to perpetuate this stereotype that the girls don't like each other, when they very much do. Y'all just want to find ways to be negative towards BP. If people missed and wanted 2NE1 so badly, why did no one support their solo work? Good for them on the comeback 8 yrs later, but y'all truly need to stop with this BP wouldn't be famous without 2NE1 mess. It's getting old & it's completely inaccurate. They debuted in two completely different era's. BP debuted during a time when kpop was becoming massive & people wanted to check it out. Which made it easier for BP to gain more of a following.
2NE1’s disbandment wasn’t caused by BP, no matter what wattpad-esque news source you read. YG was always going to debut a new gg. Point blank, period. This hate train you kpoppies have for BP is really getting old. You don't like them? Ok. Then stop commenting & having an opinion on EVERYTHING they do. I don't care for BTS & you know what I do? IGNORE THEM! I'm not online talking about or watching videos about them everyday. Go focus on the groups you do like, & leave us fans alone. It's truly that simple.
@@pettybetty350 its because 2ne1 tho
as a army 4. was facts.
4: I mean, its obvious ARMY's are tolerating HYBE, because that's where their beloved group is from. It's completely understandable and can be seen in other fandoms for example BLINKS & YG. They only tolerate YG because BLACKPINK as a group, is from there. Again, its normal and SO UNDERSTANDABLE. Although, some ARMY's do go heavy on the riding on HYBE. But either than that, I suppose the majority of ARMY's know when to not trust HYBE...? 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Exactly
Lisa is a good performer and as long-time fan it is bothersome that the choreography/stage energy still doesn't feel like its doing enough to justify the weaker vocals. It is great to see her experiment though (new song is cute), so hopefully through that experimentation they fine tune her performance and give us more stages/material that suit her image and show off her strengths. It kind feels like she's stuck in low-power consider-the-other-group-members mode a lot of the time though, which would be very impressive is she weren't alone on stage... I think she needs to shake that off, cause its the opposite of energy people want from an artist in the West--especially from a soloist.
I hope she's louder and more commanding in the next performance.
Also she’s dropping content bcs she has and ALBUM coming out, if you followed along with her then you would see that
OMG IM SO EARLY 😭
1. I feel like blinks have always hyped her
Up like they do with blackpink so yea
2.atp no one cares neither does kpop
3.they deserved they saw what the media
Was saying and ran with it now their reputation
Is getting ruined and all the sudden their all apologetic
lilies not blinks
THATS WHY THEY DON'T HAVE DAESANG AWARDS IN THEIR EARLY DAYS .. POOR PERFORMANCE+LAZY+LYPSINC+CAN'T MAKE THEIR OWN SONG+NONSENSE LYRICS ETC. BLONKS I MEAN BLINKS JUST HYPED THEM DELUSIONAL BLIND CLOWN FANS LMAO.
@@LeonorIsabelLillies and BLINK.
@@DummyLang-e3gJisoo has daesang in music category.
@@VasuVerma-we9tp WHO JISOO? THE ONE THAT YG BUYED AWARD? DONT EVEN DARE TO MENTION THAT AWARD THAT IS THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL AWARD SHE WON JUST BECAUSE OF MV VIEWS WTF LMAO
Wow you’ve just realized that BP is mediocre?? Took you too long imo
idols also need to be responsible for themselves, their health and wellbeing im so tired of ppl having to put so much emotional reactions to an idol every time theyre moderately concerned when fhe idol has good access to a support team and ppl they can go to for advice in general its not like they cant just opt not to do kpop either but i do think the younger they are the more immature they end up being so even young idols must face consequences for their choices or behaviours.
All the american and koreans awards became like this not only vmas
I think YG knows the girls best. And we seen them fall short when they left YG. Who put in there head that they don't need YG? Even 2ne1 came back when they easily could've asked permission for the songss and made their own concert like they did with coachella.
Its true what they say.... Some artist image is the agency. They lose the shine when they think theyre better off on there own. 2ne1 is a good example.
Unfortunately Lisa showed lacking performances both on Vmas and the Global citizen festival. I don’t know why. I was on the Born Pink tour and it was truly amazing. The girls were fire and the audience too. I don’t know but I believe it has to do with the fact her new songs are full of autotune and she cannot sing without it (something like Jimin’s Like crazy encore which also showed that auto tune do it’s work for the song) and that’s not a bad thing but a fact
The obsession to use that one Jimin clip, where he was offkey for 10s due to actual technical issues to defend your favs is very fascinating. Jimin gave an encore the very next day and did pretty well, this man has given hundreds of stunning live vocal performances, has sung Acapella, acoustic, came up with a song at the spot and did absolutely amazing. Oh and his songs, the one's he writes, composes and produces, just like the majority of BTS's songs uses autotune as a stylistic choice, and they have been doing so since the beginning. LC has an acoustic version as well, so does who. Oh and there's plenty of clips of him singing even without a microphone, you can go and watch those.
@@stargazing2628 I didn’t say he can’t sing, I used an example of how a song is made and it does not fit the singer’s voice and that’s how they can sound off key. I could use Le sserafim as an example but there are members who clearly struggle with singing and that’s why I didn’t mention them in my arguments
@@musicinterest-dib Again, not a good example and you seem to lack some musical understanding, LC is totally the song for Jimin's voice, also LC barely has any autotune in it's composition, you're probably confusing it with SMF which had obvious autotune for stylistic reasons, to create a distortion, back and forth in the song. LC also has a jazz live acoustic version which has zero autotune and he sounds fantastic. LC is a song that he made from the scratch about his experiences after being inspired by the movie Like Crazy. He was the main songwriter, composer, producer, he was also one of the choreographers as well. LC along with most of Jimin's song, sonically are very unique to him, which is why almost anyone who tries to cover his songs or his parts in BTS's songs usually ends up messing it up, even BTS members. The biggest example is Lie by him, which he released back in 2016, again a song he wrote and composed is still infamous for being incredibly hard to cover, whether it's the song in itself or even the choreography, let alone a proper performance with the choreography.
How dare UA-cam hide this from me for 11 seconds
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I agree 👍
all she does it shiticize..you'll live
@@Min-Hae37_77 who are you
Imo SM is clearly taking notes from XG.
Whatever reason is, BP still the biggest gg in the world. I admit BP popular not because they are a perfect vocalist, perfect rapper or a perfect dancer. Nobody can't be beyonce, nobody can be nicky minaj. I mean BP are good but not the best still acceptable in industry of music. Not the best doesn't mean they are untalented. But the thing that make them popular most people see is the vibe of their music (hyping, impactful), their cool and edgy concept, strong presence, duality personality and of course the visuals. Idk why people aspect popular group or artist always be like talent of talents. BP members only have average vocalists, average rappers and average dancers. What special about them, what make people like them is the way the four of them blend with each other perfectly. Every each of them unique in different way. Different background, different vocal tone, different vibe but when it put together, it works.
Well, Jisoo is better alone
But the others, I don’t think so
lol
@@bartsimpson3275 You have the audacity to say this. If i were you, I'll be ashamed since she's the weakest in the group.🫣
@@alonelykitten888 the weakest it’s Lisa, who can’t act and can’t sing/rapp. She’s just dance.
I said Jisoo bcs she always wanted to be an actress and YG never gave her that. The company Never gave lines or screen time too. So, now, as soloist, she’s way better than before.
The other girls always had their time to shine in BP, and they shone more together than alone.
@@bartsimpson3275 I think Lisa can act. She has several modeling ads so definitely she can act really well. Lisa can't sing? I think her vocal tone is better than Jisoo. Jisoo has deep vocal tone with bad style and zero technique. Most people don't like her vocal tone. Anyone who new into kpop think the same way too. She always got compliment because they don't want to get cancelled by Blinks. Lisa can't rap? Now you are being delulu by saying that. If you hate Lisa, don't make it obvious by saying that she is the weakest. Cause Jisoo can't sing, can't dance, cannot even rap. Don't talk about her rap in ddu du ddu du, it doesn't sound that good too. Her acting is not that good either. Watch her snowdrops. Her acting there is so terrible. Thats kdrama popular because she is the member of BP that's all. Most of the scene shine because of the male actor, not her.
Baby monster deserve more popularity than blackpink
They need to work on their stage presence if they want to be in the same league as blackpink, because it’s definitely lacking
lol no, they have a lot of things to work on to deserve the popularity
No god gives it not you
4. Do they?😭 I thought army's despised hybe ngl
HYBE was built with BTS's blood, sweat & tears. We only care about BTS & their hard work, not the management team.
they do💀 and after their enlistment they are hating hybe even more hybe is mismanaging them dragging them unnecessarily not taking legal actions as they should rather army's suspended so many media accs who were spreading nonsense about members but I have also seen some armys only supporting hybe bcz of bts
Where you get such misinformation. Some might but i have seen many stanning hybe
we do.
I am army for 5 years and I don't support all hybe work I do support bts and samting we don't forget here that hybe build because of bts members hard work not management team I really hate and I don't support them sorry for my English
Lol JYP being the embarassing uncle we love is so real! 😂
Yes he has talent, yes he is funny without even trying, yes he is embarassing and sometimes I think he should retire. But despite all of this, he is a LEGEND!! GO JYPAPY!😂❤
blackpink has always been a very average group, even their music after "as if your last" was degraded dududu made no sense and was full of samples without anything new and their music that came after, but people see that now it's sad all their music after 2019 sounds all the same I wonder if their next comeback will go well because Internet users are waiting for them on the corner and if it's another remix or something else they will go crazy already that their last album was not appreciated, at their pace they are just there to make money and nothing else except rosé, and for gidle I don't really agree because after the departure of soojin gidle was extremely threatened with dissolution and gidle could not continue in the same style otherwise they would flop cube warned them that if their next comeback did not work they would separate is soyeon managed everything organized everything produced and written with the help of yuqi and minnie in the sidelines even since the beginning of the group soyeon did everything without her gidle would never have had success nor would have been so unique soojin did not have much impact on the group the proof since after her departure even now people n hadn't even noticed his departure it's rather sad but it's true especially since after his solo debut soojin received a lot of support from Neverland who hadn't even known him in a group it's the recent return of gidle who gave them their current popularity and not soojin
I don't get it when lisa does something like this why blackpink should be mentioned. Its her solo act. Let it be solo. Blackpink as a whole is a complete package. They have aura, charisma. I know they aren't like how they used be. Anyways rooting for jennie and rose new album❤
Because thats her identity and it will stick to her forever.
The girls never did something to show that they are their own person, they look like girls who have been created piece to piece to fit but artistically, it’s very empty.
@ BaeBaee9 so because she was part of black pink that is dumb you should judge her alone if that’s what you’re doing because you aren’t criticizing with giving anything she should improve on.
Jennie's aura is using her body to gain attention as in her new mv Calvin Klein commercial or in the idol series
Yes i dont hate jyp, he's a actually a great performer what i dont like about him is when he is sometimes mean to some idols
1. When I saw Lisa's vma performance on mtv I also thought she was lip syncing but she was not yeah her vocals are not great but she was not lip syncing I suggest watching her fancams there you can hear her voice after hearing you judge whether it is upto your standard or not. About her choreography I do agree that as one of the best dancer in kpop it does not show her skills but you know the choreo is so lisa coded like seeing the it will instantly remind you of her. But I do wish that her choreo becomes more creative showcasing her skills.
2.Why are we even taking western media and award show seriously heck why are we even taking media and award shows seriously. We have seen how the west take advantage of kpop they only use kpop for clout, as long as a group are selling their album selling out their concerts consider it as successful.
My opinion I love lisa's single new woman her previous solos were not for me and if she was in yg we could not had heard the song. I am glad the girls are out of yg they are now doing whatever they and we also get to see their creativity. I am most excited about Rose's solo I like her previous songs.
vmas are just pop with an odd kpop act atp... only hard core kpop stans follow such events even ppl ik dont gaf about it.
Taylor Swift doesn't need the VMA's, she shows up to show support for the artists who might need the boost. It's kind of a good person thing. SBS will be fine without New5050. It just shows how petty and bitter the Attrakt CEO is. I heard Cupid walking through Walmart yesterday 🙂