I never realized how young Diana was during all of this. Married at twenty and having to do this tour at twenty one with a nine month old?! To add to that, a cheating husband and an eating disorder. The poor woman went through so much, so young
@@tgb2837 tbh i knew the real story about them just now, reads all references i found.. but if u said that wasn't cheating, so be it.. who am i to defend diana hahaha
Me too!!! because camilla whatever she will do people will never forgive her, she’s a home wrecker from the very start of the marriage. Diana knew at that time and naively thought he will change and tried so hard. After this series i think the people’s negative emotions towards camilla will be ignited again.
@@citrine168 or is it the prince that have a greater duty to the country that blame should lye on. After all who wouldn't be charmed by the status of being the future Queen.
It’s funny- people had sort of come around on him a bit. And they’d generally accepted Camilla, and felt pity for Charles that he was denied marrying the woman he loved- something that led to great unhappiness. But now everyone remembers why he wasn’t all that well liked in the 80s and 90s, and I find that kinda hilarious.
But u must never forget we are all humans - even Charles is! Just with the title! The fact is he never loved Diana! But he had to take her as her wife cause Diana was the perfect play role model. But of course he had to do one mission saving the monarchy bc duty comes first. It does not matter if u are happy with it or not bc duty and happiness does not come together! Charles wanted to be loved and happy as alll of the people in the world. So is it wrong wanting to be happy? He fall in love with Camilla they had a basement. He and Diana never had time to get to know each other! It was arranged and of course times messes all up bc u have to full fill a mission - the crown must win! Must always win! No matter what your heart wants or tells u! So all Charles wanted to be happy but never had the chance to choose his way bc the Queen gives order who u are allowed to and a perfect match for the duty and not for love! Love does not matter cause they believed love comes by time. U can't blame him for what he did! Diana was destined to be our princess she took her title and used it for the greater good- for the people's good! She was strong, powerful and a woman with a heart that decided to play her part and make the people pay attention to the world 's most important issues. Diana always wanted to help people so of course it was the most smartest way to be her and use that power to make the world a better one. Do u see now?? Diana was destined to help a bigger crowd and Charles was destined to follow the duty! U can't blame him. He did what any of us maybe would have done too!
@@Surfing1709 he could had gave up the crown 👑 like his uncle did and married the “love of his life” Charles is a coward and that’s why he would never be a king.
At least they have each other? Charles should have never been persuaded to marry Diana, the whole thing is a tragedy right from the start when the family deemed Camilla not queen worthy.
Roberto Flores what’s blasphemous about that? Diana is the real influencer. She influences people to do good deeds despite her being elevated into high society. I’m well aware of her charity works and clearly remember when she captured the world thru her royal wedding then later on, her compassionate works. Heck, I’m not even a gen z or millennial, I’m in my late forties so I don’t take that word lightly. The problem of people taking offense with the association of that word are fucking fragile.
Tabo Beeran she was. Diana is a true influencer -influencing people thru her humanitarian works worldwide. She changes perception about people that contracted AIDS, the land mines advocacy and many other charity works. So please, stop with your elitist exceptionalism. I’m a royalist myself and Diana was one of my favorite royals and I’m no gen z or millennial I’m almost in my fifties so if you’re taking offense of using that word then fuck your feelings.
Like father like son. Philip felt emasculated by his wife's growing royal position while Charles was jealous of his wife outshining him wherever they went.
The difference is Phillip was fully aware that he will always be the second one meanwhile, Charles never expected that this naive, 19 year-old young lady would outshine him and the rest of his immoral family wherever they go. *They ALL got drunk on jealousy.*
@@anisanurraudah8383 They were not drunk on jealousy. Diana was a disaster. She was taking on the Royal Family in a threatening way. That's why she's gone.
Men were raised that way and still are. I've often been told I intimidate men with wit/intelligence/accomplishment/insertrandombs. I always reply "Gooood gooood. Weed out the weak early". Always gets a laugh.
This series has made me hate Charles and camilla even more! They took an 18 year old girl who was fragile and lost and destroyed her. Even with all that she still managed to change peoples lives. Diana will forever be remembered...
I hate them with gusto! I can't believe she is a duchess now. Well Charles did get what he wanted eventually and so does she. Camilla just wants the royal money and titles. Being Royal sounds amazing , fame and fortune but underneath its very grim.
She was child at 18 they all older people who what a mare to have kids they did not care adout her she was an innocent woman at the cross roads of life to married an older man who was in love with someone else soooooooo cruel to do that her 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
That was a scene when charles called her pathethic, and not helping when they going tour in australia, but turns out people want to see her more than him, then he get jealous, lmao
I really don’t understand that in the series. I am old enough that I was around then and Diana was more popular than Charles once they were engaged, especially in the U.K. He got really jealous about that quite early on, well before the Australian trip.
@@barbarahope1934 I dont think that the idea that he was resentful of Dis populuartiy came out till they had been a few years married and there were hints in the papers that their marriage wasnt very happy. Then the tabs began to pit them against each other. I think he did resent it, but he tried to ignore his feelings.. but as their marriage disintegrated he got more unhappy...
@Mike Hill Everyone has flaws of their own. I know some people kinda worships her which is not a good thing. But she is a good woman I can tell despite her mental illness and mistakes she's made.
@Mike Hill ..I think her mental issues were caused by Charles ..she was perfectly fine before the marriage..how on Earth would anyone be happy when your husband is in love with someone else..
I’m sorry, but Charles’ behavior with regard to his being jealous of his wife’s popularity was the mark of a spoiled, coddled brat. How could any woman be attracted to someone like that? It’s so unmanly, ungracious and distasteful for a mature man to behave that way. I would have escaped from that prison then and there. The handwriting was already on the wall, even without the interference of Camilla in their relationship. Charles, the weak soy boy, who demands all the attention or else he throws a hissy fit!
He's the future king. He wouldn't be the first monarch to have the attitude of demanding total allegiance and attention.....Henry VIII took their heads lol.
Well, I’d like to think that if my hypothetical partner took all the spotlight to the extent that Diana did, I’d be supportive and graceful. But one never knows. Charles had his own mental problems, and people barely even pretended to like him too when Diana was around... some jealousy was bound to happen. That said, his attitude towards her popularity, in my opinion, was a bigger flaw than his feelings for Camilla. After all, you can be forced to marry a person, but you can’t be forced to love them
He was jealous that he would never be as loved as her. And Camilla was the only one who told him all the things he wanted to hear. What an insecure lil bitch
@@naurrrre how was he not supposed to be insecure? Have you watched the show? Charles was a delicate, fragile boy who needed affection and recognition, Family didnt care about him... how was he supposed to be confident? Lol
@@gloriadickson03 We agree to disagree. In fact, you just admitted having knowledge of the fact that if you marry into that family, you'll be scrutinized by millions of people. Again, we can disagree.
@@Mczzin she absolutely did not. Knowing of the royal and public obligations is not the same as realizing the week before your wedding that your fiancé’s heart belongs to another.
I meet them both on the Australian tour, they were both charming. Charles was actually better face to face than Diana in that dynamic, having had years of practice. He was better at striking up a conversation and appearing genuinely interested in people on a one on one basis. I did feel sorry for her though, she did seem especially vulnerable when faced with walking past a crowd of screaming teenagers. She was only 4 to 5 years older then the crowd.
Having relationship with husband heart is with someone, really it's highly difficult.. no one in royal family to console her. Princess Diana was all alone.
So who was this real love she met? She had several lovers, and her life was not "snuffed out". The man she was seeing in Paris Doidi Fayed, was hardly a real love. Diana said to several people that she only saw him as a summer romance, and he hismself had been living with another woman at the time his father told him to go and court Diana. Hardly Romeo and Juliet.....
Harry is the only one who saw through the toxicity and saved Meghan. He's always been a mamas boy and I'm so proud of him for standing his ground and protecting his wife and future family.
@adr cue Golddigger? She was a millionare before meeting Harry! And articles you say? Do you mean the tabloid bullshit? Tbh,there are far more serious issues are to be talked about in that family rather than Harry and Meghan.
The "good" moments between them in this episode were so heartbreaking. It gave you a little shard of hope. But, of course, you cannot alter history. Josh and Emma were AMAZING. Their chemistry was charming and I even loved the intense fight scenes.
I hate that Camilla was always throwing a wrench in their relationship. I can't understand WHY he loved that crass, garrish woman!! She was so catty and mean.
@@trawlins396 - If the art (The Crown) is accurately imitating life, Camilla provided/provides Charles with an acceptance of who he really was/is (something he could not freely show to his family). Charles was/is able to truly be himself around Camilla. If Camilla is truly crass and "garish" as you say, perhaps down deep, Charles has a bit of that crass & garish personality that he can only express with Camilla. Recall the saying, "beauty is only skin deep."
not only she didnt had to be mean to diana but she didnt have to be such a homewrecker. when we say crass.and garish thats her deep inside not just looks. I dont have anything to say to a woman who takes another womans husband anymore theres mo.excuse for that. she deserves the hate
Charles brought it all on himself, if he is anyone's victim, he is rather a victim of his own stupidity, lack of character, selfishness, and greed. As others have commented on here, Charles could have married Camilla without any problems if he had waived his rights to the crown. He could have done it if he had courage and character. Like Edward VIII who married Simpson. So if Charles loved Camilla so much, why wasn't he ready to give up the crown for her? - could Charles defenders answer this? It's clear, he loves power and social position more than Camilla or anyone.
You are correct that Charles, if he had any sense of integrity or a backbone could have waived off his inheritance to the Crown, however like most insecure men his biggest barrier to having that sense of independent character is the fact he himself felt as unloved in his family, as Diana did in her own. Charles is an overgrown mamas boy still seeking the approval of a cold woman who long before he was born committed herself to a duty that doesn't allow for personal feelings and relationships to take priority. Had he gone against his mothers wishes and married Camilla, she would have just dismissed and exiled him from royal life as effectively as her mother did to Edward VIII and Wallace Simpson and that would have destroyed him, from his position he had no other choice but to marry Diana.
@@Aphrael76 yeah I totally agree. I imagine it was more than just power, this was a role he had been trying to live up to his whole life. It was a role that, if Prince Phillip’s speech to Edward on his birthday is accurate, was the only reason he was born. He’d seen the way everyone around him with strong emotions, especially romantic ones, that interfered with royal duty was treated as second rate, selfish, weak, etc. There is a scene in the show, the night before the wedding where Princess Margaret tells the Queen and Queen mother about Charles’s lingering feelings and pleads for the Queen to stop the wedding only for the Queen to go talk to Charles and say a loveless marriage might work itself out if they both dedicate themselves to their duty while Charles silently cries, it really makes you understand that this is the influence he had growing up. Queen Elizabeth was able to find a way to put duty over emotion so she was not equipped to handle or comfort other people not doing the same, even her own children. They were effectively taught that being brave and having character meant choosing duty over any personal pleasure in life. The position and power were just part of their birth and more a burden they have to carry than anything. I think seeing how disastrous that can be for the family is why they have gotten more relaxed in some of the rules and is definitely why Harry left.
@Dimepiece I don’t really believe that. Diana was killed after her and Charles had already divorced. Making her a martyr would and did just worsen the public opinion of Charles and Camilla’s relationship so it wouldn’t have made sense to kill her at that point (or any point after Diana gained serious public support) if the goal was to enable their relationship, not to mention the trauma inflicted on William and Harry. I think the Queen can be a trash mother without killing off her son’s ex-wife/ grandsons’ mother in a poorly thought out plot like that.
Unfortunately it doesnt undo his toxic other qualities and behaviour. I think its natural for both parents to do such things, the fact that it stands out so much shows how truly sad and rare it is for fathers and royals in particular to be cold and detached... which only made diana shine even brighter against them. She was a good kind fairly normal woman but compared to them she looked like a goddess an angel a pedastal which both helped and hindered her when we idolise someone were not allowing them to be themselves flaws and all although diana really couldnt have done much that would tar her she still had insane amounts of pressure in public and private to be a perfect princess a perfect person etc. It would be extremely hard even today, back then? Im amazed at how strong she was to cope as well as she did, given everything thats said and also left unsaid but is quite obvious reading between the lines (enough that the crown can show things the public wasnt privy to and is fictionalised to a point but still be so accurate and real shows that even if it didnt happen it sadly was a likely occurence) if she had continued to live i do often wonder if she wouldve been able to do so peacefully or at least live for her children long enough to see them grown or even have children themselves. Given her mental health and the situation it wouldnt be surprising if she like people such as robin williams life ended by their own hands. Im almost glad we didnt have that but her end is just as if not more tragic and it seems to have not made a difference at least in the paparazzi and invasive media scheme of things... i wonder if she had taken her own life if she wouldve become even more of a martyr or if that end wouldve skyrocketed mental health awareness and treatment even more so than it is now... when you see how much shes adored by the public even so many years later... its crushing to imagine how much love her sons couldve had from her, how much her family missed out on. As an aussie i have mixed feelings about the monarchy i couldnt imagine being a republic nor do i believe it would benefit us to become one but youd be hard pressed to find someone who doesnt love diana or know about her and feel sad of her end. If she had been Queen the monarchy would be rock solid. But as it is i cant say i like or even feel neutrally towards those next in line. While william and kate are certainly more appealing than charles theyre not so lovable that they come close to diana or the queen. & harry certainly has taken any good faith of the modern royals and driven it to hell. God save the Queen i hope shes inmortal because i dont believe the moanrchy will ever be as strong. & ever since Princess Mary of Denmark (an aussie farm girl) became royal most of us care more about her family than we do the british royals... and frankly the danish royal family are so much better than the british ones in most aspects that its hard not to love them. In a way i feel mary got the cinderella true love typical princess happy ending that diana deserved. Its rather healing to see a healthy royal family especially going ahead in the future.
It's sad really. I don't think either of them received the kind of love and affection necessary in early childhood, so they were both insecure. You'd think that would've bonded them, but no. Both were seeking validation, and while Diana became the love of a nation and then the world, Charles became the sidekick/accessory. It was a disaster waiting to happen. side note: Diana was far too young to be thrust into that mess.
The Crown ensures that if ever people forget why we don't like Charles & Camilla, we can always have a rerun every decade to remind future generations. And on and on and on it goes...sorry Charles, not. LOL
@@One.Zero.One101 It wasn't a memorial, it was her funeral service. The Spencers wanted to have a private funerral but they could see that iwth the public grief they had to make it a public one. So that would of course mean working with the Royal family to have such a big public ceremonial.
@Daniel Coleman - Right! And Diana, even though she was only 20 years old ( and a very immature 20 year old), Diana knew what she was getting into by marrying Charles. She was "in love" with the thought of marrying Prince Charles!
Oh most definitely. I mean i know this series is not an accurate representation but if i found out my man still hanging out with his ex and even have a specially designed bracelet as a ‘parting gift’ engraved with their adored nicknames - i bolt. That is 4K OLED clarity that man is not over his ex.
As an Aussie, we have had many visits by royal family members. THIS is the one people still talk about and remember though. I wasn’t even born at the time and know all about it. She really captured aussies hearts.
I really admire her.. if today's women need to look upto a woman it should be Princess Diana . She is the epitome of compassion and love. Something that the world needs .
@Mike Hill And Jaqueline Kennedy was an insecure shopping addict. A very accomplished insecure shopping addict but still. People don't have to be perfect to be admired but this retroactive saintification is annoying. True.
@@bluecollarlit There's plenty of great role models nowadays we don't need to look back in time to women who dress nice and look good. Diana did some excellent work with HIV and landmines and Tina publicly escaped an abusive relationship. I'm not aware of anything monumental Jackie did but do enlighten me.
@Mike Hill she was pregnant when she threw herself down the stairs, manipulated the press for revenge at Charles, food binged then would make herself throw up, she had severe mental problems
@@sapphire7424 do you think that they are the only royal couple who had affairs on the side? Anne did, so did Fergie.. Probalby others did as well but they were more low key and not chased by the press so nothing leaked out. Camilla not being around would not have made any diference IMO. AS Charles and Di got more unhappy with each other, I think it was inevitable that they would see other companions whom they found more pleasant to be with....
I absolutely loved Diana and what she stood for. But through watching The Crown and doing my own research, I can understand Charles more and his issues with Diana's popularity. He grew up with absent parents who were less than loving in a way that Charles obviously needed and the way that Diana easily related to people and garnered popularity, didn't do any favours for Charles personal issues. To clarify, I don't think Diana is to blame. Charles parents are.
While Charles' parents were somewhat detached from ALL their children, in Charles' case, he had unconditional love from his maternal grandmother and from his "Uncle Dickie" (aka Lord Mountbatten) who took on a surrogate grandfather and sometimes, fatherly role in Charles' life. So, let's not "assume" that Charles did not experience any type of love in his childhood. How many people have grown up feeling more loved by grandparents than their own parents? It happens. The bottom line: Charles and Diana's marriage was a disaster from the beginning. Sure, it had its fleeing moments of pleasantness but fleeing moments do not build the foundation for a long-term commitment.
What did she stand for? A spoilt brat, who probably never read a book before marrying into wealth. She ‘stood for’ shopping and being adored. They are all a waste of oxygen
@@timsplanet2 lmao didn't she went to a swiss boarding school? that's top notch education. and she stand for her humanitarian work or are you forgetting that?
@@marvel096 Even her sisters said she wasn’t scholarly or well educated. Diana described herself as a bit “dim”. It just shows that being highly educated doesn’t make you a better person. Yes she did wonderful humanitarian work.
@Mike Hill AND how do you know this? Charles appeared so weak when Diana was alive. I think Diana actually got stronger and more determined once she was away from THAT toxic family crap!!! She is still being talked about, over 20 years since her death, isn't an honor that is usually attached to someone who is considered a 'weakling'. William seems like a bit of a smuck, like his father, but that is just my opinion!
If Harry had remained single as the third-wheel for William and Kate everything would have been fine. But Harry always wanted out because he did not enjoy being manipulated and controlled unable to express who he is. Then Meghan came along, an accomplished woman who did not need 8 years to come into her own, intellectually brilliant, articulate, and charismatic and she stole the show. William knew that Meghan was more popular than the Kengsington Palace IG account because her TIG had more followers before she shut it down. Her ability to do public speeches without a script and her no using palace speechwriters did not sit too well because they had no control over what she said. However, this self-made and confident millionaire was exactly what Harry wanted - Mutual True Love for the first time. Harry saw the financial independence with Meghan that he sought so he left. It should be noted the William pitched a Mental Health series to Netflix who turned him down but later gave Harry and Meghan a $250 million signing bonus to create whatever they wish. They bet on Meghan's creative ability, intelligence, and global popularity because everything she touches turns to gold. The question: Is William happy that Harry and Meghan have their freedom and he cannot control them except refusing to lay the wreath on Harry's behalf?
@Mike Hill They treated her like shit and Charles was a terrible husband. That family use her for baby making then toss her to the side. She found her way the older she got smarter. Diane was a kid when she got involved 31yr old fool. At end she became the people princess
She had Indian Mtdna and didn’t carry important DNA of the elites of the ancient world like her other Stewart, French, German, Punjabi Jat Sikh and Jewish relatives.
Consistency. They showed mice in the kitchen in one of the earlier seasons. It happens in old residences, however grand, and The Crown is nothing without its realism.
I found Diana’s story very fascinating yet I also believe many lessons can be learned from her experience. She was chosen because she was young and naive and a perfect sacrificial lamb. I don’t believe that they had a problem with him messing with Camilla, I think they knew he would continue to do that even after the marriage. The idea was to choose a young girl that was easily controlled so Charles could continue his affairs and Diana would just abide by them, therefore a win win for the firm and Charles. Basically everyone won with the exception of Diana who has no clue that she was being played like a game or chess. Every move made was meant to make sure that Charles and the royal family came out winners. It’s always been made to seem that Camilla came between Charles and Dianas marriage. I don’t think there was ever a marriage between Charles and Diana. Camilla grew up understanding how the firm worked, she had no issue with Charles marrying Diana, because she understood most marriages were done for business purposes. The practice of marriage dates back to archaic times where breeding and money, dowry etc where the main reason for marriages.. our modern idea of marriage is not done for the same reasons Royals get married. Their rituals and practices are based on archaic reasons. Although Diana was of good breeding she was a school teacher and not very educated on royal protocol. I wouldn’t be surprised if Camilla was the one who encouraged the union between Charles and Diana thinking a younger inexperienced girl would do as she’s told and pose less of a threat to her relationship with Charles. It always seemed as if Camilla was in the background. I don’t think that is the case, Charles, his mistress and his entire family needed a plan and Diana was seen as the perfect choice to solve all their problems. There were many other woman Charles could have chosen, but They specifically found one who was rather clueless. They did not find Diana by accident. They needed someone for good Breeding. If it looks to good to be true and probably is. Secondly, like most relationships that end up toxic, there were signs that Diana ignored. She got swept up in the love bombing and fantasy of it all. Many woman do this as well. You don’t need to be a princess in to end up in a toxic relationship. I’m sure there were many signs.
Diana was a shy innocent teenager who was walked all over by royals. Just watched the Crown which shows what a miserable life she had, starting when she was isolated at Buckingham Palace before she was married.
I genuinely do not understand Charles’ jealousy here. If my partner and I were out, and people were going crazy over him, I’d be flipping delighted. I would be so happy, as if to say, “Look at my honey… isn’t he awesome?!” I just don’t get it. I would not understand if people DIDN’T love him. That would annoy me.
Charles is a terrible person. He and Camilla were the most awful pair, and always will be. Poor Diana! She was 18, a girl who was deceived, disregarded, envied by all the family. Just watched all the episodes and once again I realised how she felt, her pain. I can't believe that she died in a simple accident, just can not...
I loved the dance scene. The little flicker of hope it gave of them potentially being able to work it out while also knowing that tragedy would ultimately strike and it all shattered again.
Gillian Anderson totally disappeared in her role! She should win an acting award! And lol, Prince Charles will never ever ever live it down. He can never win against Diana’s youth.
If Meghan experienced 1/3 of what Diana did, while living as a family member in ‘Firm’, I totally understand why she and Harry decided to leave. The toxicity is mind boggling.
She would have received worse because Harry is a spare and not in the direct line of succession. In that culture, it was important to prevent Harry from outshining his brother - but the public loves Harry more. Likewise, it was important for Kate to remain the most popular female but Meghan turned it upside down with her pre-royal global popularity. That is why from the day that the BM heard Harry was dating Meghan and they realized she was an accomplished woman, intellectually brilliant, schooled at a world-class university, highly articulate, and very charismatic - They said "OH NO! she will outshine Kate, so we have to do something. Then all the lies started and Harry got mad and made a public complaint and now he has his FREEDOM.
well i mean it's never really only a royal family series because it includes the whole Great Britian - and what was happening with Diana was as huge as what was happening with Thatcher.
of course Charles is 'jealous'. he spends his entire life having his voice not be heard and he married someone who took even more spotlight away from him. it's not Diana's fault nor something she can control, but you must see how it's hard for someone like him to genuinely be happy for her. he didn't marry her for love in the first place he was just told it will grew overtime
But for it to grow overtime, he had to try!! When they actually had that conversation and tried to accept each other in Australia for a bit they were happy, but the moment they were back on English soil he ran back to Camilla. What i mean is, he didn't even try to accept the situation and find love in the wonderful woman he had married. He was too busy whining and complaining about how he couldn't have Camilla who actually was pretty happy in her own life. Ah, Naive foolish Charles!
@@rujutashah4423 im not excusing Charles behavior as a husband, obvs cheating is never okay but im just aware of it's background. and tbh we don't know shit about Camilla's happiness lmao she was only portrayed cheering up Charles in this show. At some point he must've tried, i mean William and Harry didn't just appear out of thin air, and he mentioned how he seek help from psychiatrist for his marriage. but in the end the heart wants what it wants... and the bitter truth is there's no women in the world, even the 'perfect wife and princess' Diana, are above Camilla in his eyes. We all know how the story ends
@@rujutashah4423 I'm sorry but you can't really talk about the situation by quoting scenes from a Netflix show. At the end of the day it is just a Netflix show, we don't know the conversations they had and what they felt
@@mochachan3295 that's true, the heart wants what it wants. You're saying he must have tried, but if you even Google Search you'll find that Charles used to visit Camilla throughout their marriage. I mean, just two weeks before their marriage he got her a bracelet which she wears to this day (the one with F & G, Fred and Gladys their nicknames). If he really would have tried to forget Camilla, he would've. Dozens of people get their hearts broken every single day. At least in here in India, so many couples are split by their families because they do not belomg to the same caste and even though unlike Charles for them it isn't the matter of National Scandal. And do they all do what Charles did? No, right? They respect their parents' decision and marry the guy/girl they choose. Camilla was a groupie from the beginning. When she had to choose between Andrew and Charles for marriage, she chose to marry Andrew Parker Bowles. And even though she kept seeing Charles it was wrong. Once they were both married they should've cut ties with one another and work on their own separate marriages. My point is, even though saying is so much easier than doing perhaps if they'd have given their own marriages a legitimate chance of working maybe they would've worked.
@@Flo23211 agreed. I talked about that conversation because that's what we see in the show. But if we dont talk about that right now, and focus on real and known facts - Charles and Diana were relatively very happy in the beginning of their marriage, when he saw Camilla less, William and Harry were born, and Camilla was busy with her own family. It was afterwards in the late 1980's He suddenly realised that he wasn't happy in the marriage because Camilla and him got more and more time together and he started treating Diana her badly because he couldn't be with Camilla, that's when their marriage deteriorated. At least that's what i think.
I was expecting to see Emma in the wedding dress for more than 5 secs. I KNOW that the focus of the show isn't the romance side of Charles and Diana. Why hype about the wedding prior to the release if you wouldn't show it. That's my only disappointment for now. I've just finished watching episode 3.
My comment is totally irrelevant, but I was not a big fan of Diana’s wedding dress. I liked Fergie’s much better. I haven’t finished watching the series yet so don’t know if that is shown or not.
I was born in the 2000s and even I know about Princess Diana! Geez Charles doesn't deserve to be king! How can he be the head of the Church? Yikees he isn't an example like his mother
What do you mean? He’s married, faithful to his wife (well at his age nothing works w/o a pill), a good father, kind to his dogs, goes to church and talks to his flowers. What’s not to love?
I believe the royals resented her because she managed to find the balance between the visual fairytale of the crown and relatability from the public. Where the royals saw "commoners" she only saw humans, just like her, and people responded positively. That must have been a clusterfuck to the royals, seeing her succeed with everything they were told not to be or do. I think she would have been the bridge between the old and new world for the royal family. She brought the change in perspective and behavior that they needed, and instead of taking pointers from her success, they decided to let her drown in her marriage.
Princess Diana bringing her kid Prince William to the tour of Australia changed royal tours forever. When Prince William and Kate toured Australia they also brought their kid Prince George to the tour.
When they did this tour, my mother taught intellectually disabled children. In Canberra, my mother took them out for a trip to see Princess Di, and she got up quite close because they were disabled (with the children, of course) and the press were extremely jealous. She actually unintentionally struck up a nice little conversation with the princesses lady in waiting.
Who else watched Season 4 and actually started despising and even hating Charles for the way he treated Diana every step of the way? He was so so horrible. They just got him married to Di and nobody even told him to leave Camilla. I wished someone would've enforced "keeping your wedding vows" on him as much as they did on Lady Diana! The only lesson i learnt - The Royal Family has no emotions whatsoever, and if you're an "outsider" member who's going through issues, well they don't give a hoot. Come to think of it, Meghan and Harry may not have been wrong for wanting to leave the whole ghastly business behind!
The royal family must not have liked Diana after she openly spoke about her troubled relationship with Charles but they had nothing to gain from killing her. They already knew that her tragic marriage had made the royal family look very bad and after she died it was even worse as it kind of made her a martyr and everyone else (except Will and Harry) look like utter jerks because it was pretty obvious to the public that Diana's in-laws didn't like her. The royal family would not have had the power to hire assassins even if they wanted to. The monarchy is seen as important to some Brits but they hold no real power in Britain or anywhere else.
I can't believe how once upon a time a woman of such beauty was forced to endure such a painfully lonely married life. She doesn't deserve that treatment. I don't know about you guys but I see Charles as a dick. If you followed his portrayal in this season you'll know he gets envious of Diana's success (which is so absurd). Her success is his success he should've just seen it that way I guess. Now I know why Brits hate him. Should anyone succeed to make a time machine do make us a favor will you and save that poor girl from a life of misery.
At first I thought that Charles and, in particular, Diana, were both victims of the monarchy and what so-called the royal family. However, after finishing The Crown season 4, I have no feelings but contempt towards Charles. He appeared to be understanding when he put his duty over love by choosing and getting married to Lady Di. But right after the wedding (or even before the wedding, idk), he became such a bloody coward. He betrayed her without any public hide and supported in transforming his wife from a young and energetic girl to a woman with sad eyes. He even blamed her on putting no attempt on their marriage while giving her no chance for even just a phone answer. What's the matter with that jerk? Some compliments on Josh O'Connor's performance for his successful portrayal of that lack-of-responsibility-and-no-dignity-AT-ALL Prince of Wales.
Thu-Ha DO: Remember The-Ha-Ha-He-He Dew that THE CROWN is at best a fictionalization of events and there is little or no attempt to portray anything realistically. The producers, writers/imaginaries and directors are manipulating the situations as well as the audience. At the end of Season 3 everyone was crying and sad for Prince Charlie. Now in Season 4 he is the devil incarnate yet Diana is portrayed as the victim, when in fact she wasn’t as innocent as people want to believe because much of it is not being dramatized. THIS IS FICTION EXCEPT FOR THE BASIC FACTS and most of it is imagined.
Ppl always talk shyt on Charles but imo Diana could have walked away BEFORE the wedding but chose not to. major red flags were the bracelet incident AND the lunch w Camilla where she pretty much said Charles is HERS. Come on, another woman is telling you BEFORE you even marry him that your fiance is extremely attached to her! I still can't understand WHY Charles was in love with that crass, garrish Camilla anyway??!!
Diana said she told her sisters she couldn’t go through with marrying Charles, and they said “Well, bad luck, Duch. Your face is on the tea towel, so you're too late to chicken out.” She couldn’t get out of it - this wasn’t an ordinary engagement/wedding/marriage. It was a Royal one; the wedding was broadcast on Live television. She was always followed by reporters ( _before the announcement of their engagement_ ), everyone already knew who Diana was. And she found out about the bracelet _after_ the announcement of their engagement. You really think she could’ve walked away?
that's not at all the case. Charles did lose popularity wehn Diana came along and was so adored. the people who came to see them, didn't want to see him, it was galling for him to hear poeple saying "Oh we're on the wrong side". Being with Diana took from C's popularity.
@Chantel Simmons i dont think it's because of the covid because the filming of the 4th took place before 2020. i was quite disappointed as well but they dont show that probably because the main story is about the queen not princess diana.
Just a note, the crown though based on real life events is fiction - though people may have an opinion nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors, any arguments or verbal abuse/ jealousy are just conjecture and this is a Netflix promotion, not a historical peer reviewed, fact checked documentary, as such a lot of things will be blown out of proportion and sensationalised - not making any judgements or trying to cause offense just something to bear in mind 😊
@@trawlins396 I feel bad as well because it's not ancient history, this was less than 50 years ago and is probably still a painful subject for those involved, particularly their children - I also don't like the way it says "the true story behind..." There should be some sort of disclaimer in there
yes that’s true that certain elements are fictionalised but it’s was quite well known that diana was unhappy and trapped in that marriage thanks to sources from the palace or friends of hers doing interviews after her death. most of my knowledge of hers comes from odd documentaries that i’ve watched that have recounts of people involved in her life from birth to death.
@@trawlins396 He certainly looked jealous and put out when he and Diana started appearing in public together at the time. Not going off the series, I lived through those times and saw it on the news and in the papers. He didn’t make any effort to hide it.
EXCUSE YOU. A Māori hongi is NOT a nose rub. It is the brief touching of noses, sometimes accompanied by a kiss on the cheek, that brings you eye to eye with a stranger and leaves you united with the same breath. te Ao Māori. The breath of life. Maybe if netflix hadn't reduced Aotearoa to a close up of a haka people might look a little deeper at our indigenous culture and tradition.
@@rebeccagibbs4128 - I care. Thank you for your explanation. It is important that we respect each other and to learn about another's culture and custom is respect.
I think there needs to be strict laws with the paparazzi it should be illegal for them to wait outside peoples homes and run after them when they are just doing their day to day business.
I remember I was staying in my grandmas when the news came through that she died. It was really early in the morning and my mum and grandma wept for days. I was 12 but it was so vivid. There's no screenplay that could ever get across how much she was adored. She was just so young marrying at 19 so shy and childlike but somewhere something clicked in her and she blossomed and became such a fearless, compassionate, endearing woman with an insatiable love for people and children with a relentless desire to help and heal. I still think she was the most beautiful woman in the world in her way and in her eyes and the way she would look up, it told a story. It's lovely to see she is still so much adored.
I remember the day when her death came on the news. So sad and taken so soon. Diana was like mother Theresa she was so kind and caring, very wise, and great role model. In my eyes she not just a princess, she is a true queen and saint.
I remember when she died also. At first they reported that she had a broken arm and not long later it was reported she waa dead. I was 14 at the time. The thing that dawned on me now is I am older now than she was when she died at 36. She was so young and had lived through so much, she always seemed older than that to me.
No, not shown was the scene the night before the wedding, when she was with her sisters in the palace, when she told them that she wanted to cancel the wedding. Their reply? "Too late Duch; your face is on the tea towels now." Once the announcement was made, there was no backing out.
Diana already knew he didn't love her. She should have walked away after lunching w Camilla. Camilla was acting like SHE was Charles wife and Diana was the mistress!!
@@meeeka The poor thing. Can you imagine the scandal if she had? Unfortunately the pressure to avoid a scandal lead to a very unhappy marriage for both of them.
can't help but pity the queen sometimes, her sons are beyond disappointing - Charles the insecure with mommy issues, Andrew the self-entitled peddy, Edward the baby. There's a limit how much they can blame their upbringing and the environment they grew up in
Diana will always be the Queen the UK never got , and she is still loved because she cared about people with a big heart and she was human ... QE2 , Charles and the rest of the family lived in a fantasy where they lived by rules , never show human emotions and expected everyone in the country to love them ..
It’s true that Australians absolutely adored Diana. I was 10 when she died, and I remember the mass outpouring of grief- even amongst those who were usually not particularly fond of the monarchy (like my mother, who was and is still a republican). And Will and Kate also managed a very successful tour here as well- something that also served to push talks of ditching the monarchy to the side. And many Australians think it should wait until after the Queen dies. Which apparently, Liz is not fond of- if Australia is to become a republic, we should do it now, and not wait for her to go, apparently. I tend to agree with her (I’m even more of a republican than my mother- note the small R- obviously the term has very different connotations in Australia)
Pretty much every republican I've met in my life all agree on waiting until after Elizabeth II dies to reconsider becoming a Republic. Which still may be some time away lol
@@Myne1001 I don’t. Funnily enough, the Queen agrees- if we want to become a republic, just do it. But I don’t hold any love for any monarch. I think the entire idea is shitty. I don’t care if she croaks it first or not, I just want us to get rid of the monarchy. But I do think you’re right- most Aussies refuse to think about it until she dies.
If you watch Diana: In her own words on Netflix you can see that she really did lose it. No fault of her own. But she really did go kind of insane. She talks about it in that documentary. She was very much in a bad way.
@@KailashCiaran I know but the producers made it seem like she was always that way. And the cringy hug she gives the queen? Maybe Season 5 will show her growth and maturity.
That Camilla really played dirty. She is heartless. Only for the sake of those kids she could’ve stepped away and simply let the family flourish. I can’t believe how possibly can someone be like that...
I mean it speaks volumes anout her as a mom and human that her own children were todlers when diana and charles got engaged so in effect she didn't even spare her own kids the emotional trauma. Also in some of her children's recent interviews you can kinda see how her kids feel like outsiders and strangers to their mom because they can't go to her for anything happening with them they have to make appointments and deal with private secretaries to get that. I guess fulfilling her grandma's legacy was more important to her than being a mom and a good person
@@karensmyth1215 not my impression. They seem to get on well with her. They have always had her house where they could go to be more informal and of course they expect that as a senior royal lady, she is bound to be tied up iwht royal duties, secretaries etc at times
I kind of believe most of the private conversations depicted in the crown are bs. People tend to fill in the blank spaces in a way that fits the narrative they like.
That's why people should stop looking at this as a true reenactment of their lives. There's no way of knowing what happened in these private conversations, or even if they happened at all. Hell where is all the speculation about Hewitt being the real father of Prince Harry? This was widely talked about as this affair was made public, yet not even a word on it.
@@arthurfleck816 only public events are (somewhat) certain. I wouldn't trust that any private events are true or that they even happened. They should state that everything in the series is fiction inspired by real events.
I feel so bad for Dianna. Everyone failed her, her family failed her by setting her up with Charles, her husband and his family failed her, the media failed her. She was a young, vulnerable and inexperienced lady who craved love.
People say Harry was weak for denying a place in the throne and choosing love over the crown but I say that was a move that shows a lot of strength and courage! Something his father never had the balls to do! If he loved camila as much as he did, he could’ve given up the crown, marry her and spare Diana and himself a life full of sorrow but he was too greedy and needed someone to stroke his ego instead. The royal family is a royal circus! Nothing great about giving up your life to become a robot for your country!
In early interviews with Diana she acted devoted to her husband and eager to be a supportive wife. I believe she meant it. She gave Charles a gift and he threw it back in her face. He was disgusting. If he cared at all for her he should have been glad at the love people gave her. He should have been proud not childish.
The series left out the fact that the Queen's representative in Australia fired a democratically elected PM in the early 70's (a member of Bob Hawke's party), which is why the monarchy's reputation had plummeted. Truly an undemocratic and treacherous act.
Charles took advantage of Diana by taking her as his wife just to please his family, not because he loved her, but what he didn't expect is that Diana would turn up the game and make it her own. She is the one that everybody remembers, never have I read or heard of someone speaking bad about her. Im from the Dominican Republic and i´ve known countless women named after her. Diana stood up at a time when women were meant just to do what was told to them. She embraced her own self and decided she wouldn't be just another pawn on the Royal family, she wouldn't be taken for granted, taken as a mating soulless doll. Is so unfair and heartbreaking that she left this world just when things seemed like doing good for her, while Charles kept being the spoiled momma´s child, now married to the woman he always wanted to be with. From watching this season of The Crown I´ve learnt that not even a loving, beautiful and dedicated woman can change a man´s heart. May God have our princess Diana in the loving and resting place she deserves.
I never realized how young Diana was during all of this. Married at twenty and having to do this tour at twenty one with a nine month old?! To add to that, a cheating husband and an eating disorder. The poor woman went through so much, so young
exactly,and at that time no one knew bout eating disorders, and esp the royal family being so different emotionally, sad affairs.
Actually in fairness to Charles, he wasn't actually cheating at the time. They just had their differences
Yeah, I pity her so much in season 4
@@tgb2837 tbh i knew the real story about them just now, reads all references i found..
but if u said that wasn't cheating, so be it.. who am i to defend diana hahaha
Not to mention they took her baby away for the sake of the tour. Why not have the baby with the mother in the hotel at night? Why were they so cruel?
I would love to be a fly on the wall of Buckingham Palace when Prince Charles and Camilla watch this season of the crown
Count me in 😂
It will be interesting to see it in next season
Me too!!! because camilla whatever she will do people will never forgive her, she’s a home wrecker from the very start of the marriage. Diana knew at that time and naively thought he will change and tried so hard. After this series i think the people’s negative emotions towards camilla will be ignited again.
@@citrine168 or is it the prince that have a greater duty to the country that blame should lye on. After all who wouldn't be charmed by the status of being the future Queen.
@@MrMisanthrope_ well the glamour and power that goes with it maybe a good attraction to be a magnet for girls.
the crown said i'm about to end this man's whole career, again. love that.
😂😂😂 I know and I’m so happy about it
Yes lol
Love that journey for him.
@@solitatanner3089
Ml ml
It’s funny- people had sort of come around on him a bit. And they’d generally accepted Camilla, and felt pity for Charles that he was denied marrying the woman he loved- something that led to great unhappiness.
But now everyone remembers why he wasn’t all that well liked in the 80s and 90s, and I find that kinda hilarious.
Charles and Camilla may have played Diana for years but Diana was loved by the people and that’s something Charles and Camilla will never have.
But u must never forget we are all humans - even Charles is! Just with the title! The fact is he never loved Diana! But he had to take her as her wife cause Diana was the perfect play role model. But of course he had to do one mission saving the monarchy bc duty comes first. It does not matter if u are happy with it or not bc duty and happiness does not come together! Charles wanted to be loved and happy as alll of the people in the world. So is it wrong wanting to be happy? He fall in love with Camilla they had a basement. He and Diana never had time to get to know each other! It was arranged and of course times messes all up bc u have to full fill a mission - the crown must win! Must always win! No matter what your heart wants or tells u! So all Charles wanted to be happy but never had the chance to choose his way bc the Queen gives order who u are allowed to and a perfect match for the duty and not for love! Love does not matter cause they believed love comes by time. U can't blame him for what he did! Diana was destined to be our princess she took her title and used it for the greater good- for the people's good! She was strong, powerful and a woman with a heart that decided to play her part and make the people pay attention to the world 's most important issues. Diana always wanted to help people so of course it was the most smartest way to be her and use that power to make the world a better one. Do u see now?? Diana was destined to help a bigger crowd and Charles was destined to follow the duty! U can't blame him. He did what any of us maybe would have done too!
@@Surfing1709 he could had gave up the crown 👑 like his uncle did and married the “love of his life” Charles is a coward and that’s why he would never be a king.
@@yazminlewis1118 uh...he isn’t king because his mother is still alive. It has absolutely nothing to do with anything he has or hasn’t done.
At least they have each other? Charles should have never been persuaded to marry Diana, the whole thing is a tragedy right from the start when the family deemed Camilla not queen worthy.
Very well said
The Crown was really generous with Prince Charles’s looks. Chose a great actor who’s too handsome to play him.
yes 😂😂 too generous
Yeah, the real one is ugly af
The real one looks like a rat
That's exactly what I thought!
Vogue published an article trying to convince people that Charles used to be hot. Dude always looked like a rat to me.
Diana:”I’m not coping well with the heat... may I have a glass of water?”
Royal Protocol: “HOW DARE YOU.“
YEAH! in this scene I was like whaat?She just asked for a glass of water 🤦🏽♀️
That happen
It’s was hot, she should have been given a bottle of water.
True
I had the same reaction. That was the scene that made me HATE Charles.
There's a reason she's STILL being talked about. She truly is the queen of people's hearts!!! 💛
Plus people who die young enter mythology
@@annnee6818 not necessarily, many people that die young don’t become legend. She did because she was the princess of the people
She always will.
@@annnee6818 good people doesn’t stay longer on this earth
@@Wallflowerstudio21 Yes ur right my mother always says that
Princess Diana: The Original Influencer Of The World
Pls dont disrespect her like that
Influencer? That's blasphemous
Roberto Flores what’s blasphemous about that? Diana is the real influencer. She influences people to do good deeds despite her being elevated into high society. I’m well aware of her charity works and clearly remember when she captured the world thru her royal wedding then later on, her compassionate works. Heck, I’m not even a gen z or millennial, I’m in my late forties so I don’t take that word lightly. The problem of people taking offense with the association of that word are fucking fragile.
Tabo Beeran she was. Diana is a true influencer -influencing people thru her humanitarian works worldwide. She changes perception about people that contracted AIDS, the land mines advocacy and many other charity works. So please, stop with your elitist exceptionalism. I’m a royalist myself and Diana was one of my favorite royals and I’m no gen z or millennial I’m almost in my fifties so if you’re taking offense of using that word then fuck your feelings.
Aziz Rajab what’s so disrespectful about that?
Princess Diana did what she could with the position she was put in. I adore her.
Ashley, I'm with you.
A Diana fan, can't help it.
@Mike Hill I think she means Harry and Meghan. Good ole Ginge and Cringe....
@Mike Hill Why would she stay faithful to a man that had an affair all throughout their relationship? His heart had always been somewhere else
same here
She wasn't put there. She chose it.
Like father like son. Philip felt emasculated by his wife's growing royal position while Charles was jealous of his wife outshining him wherever they went.
And really, he knew she would be Queen when they married, what did he expect ????
The difference is Phillip was fully aware that he will always be the second one meanwhile, Charles never expected that this naive, 19 year-old young lady would outshine him and the rest of his immoral family wherever they go. *They ALL got drunk on jealousy.*
@@anisanurraudah8383 They were not drunk on jealousy.
Diana was a disaster.
She was taking on the Royal Family in a threatening way.
That's why she's gone.
@Lu- Eslava The Andrew Morton book and the Bashir interview were seen as huge betrayals.
Men were raised that way and still are. I've often been told I intimidate men with wit/intelligence/accomplishment/insertrandombs. I always reply "Gooood gooood. Weed out the weak early". Always gets a laugh.
This series has made me hate Charles and camilla even more! They took an 18 year old girl who was fragile and lost and destroyed her. Even with all that she still managed to change peoples lives. Diana will forever be remembered...
Truly cruel people indeed. Charles and Camilla deserve each other.
Agreed!! Camilla the Rottweiler and Charles were beyond selfish. They will never be loved by the people.
I hate them with gusto! I can't believe she is a duchess now. Well Charles did get what he wanted eventually and so does she. Camilla just wants the royal money and titles. Being Royal sounds amazing , fame and fortune but underneath its very grim.
I hope you know that this is a dramatized television show. What we see in the crown is not always reality.
She was child at 18 they all older people who what a mare to have kids they did not care adout her she was an innocent woman at the cross roads of life to married an older man who was in love with someone else soooooooo cruel to do that her 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
That was a scene when charles called her pathethic, and not helping when they going tour in australia, but turns out people want to see her more than him, then he get jealous, lmao
I really don’t understand that in the series. I am old enough that I was around then and Diana was more popular than Charles once they were engaged, especially in the U.K. He got really jealous about that quite early on, well before the Australian trip.
@@barbarahope1934 I dont think that the idea that he was resentful of Dis populuartiy came out till they had been a few years married and there were hints in the papers that their marriage wasnt very happy. Then the tabs began to pit them against each other. I think he did resent it, but he tried to ignore his feelings.. but as their marriage disintegrated he got more unhappy...
i wish princess Diana was still alive.
Good people doesn’t stay longer on earth... 😂
@Mike Hill i’ve seen a lot of your comments in diana videos... you seem to hate her so much bc of her mental illness... What’s ur deal? 😅
@Mike Hill Everyone has flaws of their own. I know some people kinda worships her which is not a good thing. But she is a good woman I can tell despite her mental illness and mistakes she's made.
ME TOO. ❤
@Mike Hill ..I think her mental issues were caused by Charles ..she was perfectly fine before the marriage..how on Earth would anyone be happy when your husband is in love with someone else..
People liked Dianna cause she was real & down to earth , didn’t put on a fake front like the royals
Yup. They literally “killed” the excitement.
Exactly! 100 percent
She was the definition of “what you see is what you get” & she definitely wore her heart on her sleeve.
@@Summer09824 she wasnt. She was not at all such a sweet angel girl in private as she seemed to be in public.
The hell she was, from accounts from those closest to her say she was not easy to be around.
Maybe if charles works harder as a crown prince instead of being jealous of his wife. Toxic ppl loves to play victim 🥴
Jealous for what?.
The outsider who jealous their marriage and destroy it.
@@ladyarthuria did you watch the whole thing?
@@ladyarthuria as if he didn't cheated on her the entire time they were married.
@@ladyarthuria outsiders can't destroy a solid marriage. They were wrong for each other
"Diana changed from asset at the beginning of the tour to a rival by the end of it." Damn 🔥
I’m sorry, but Charles’ behavior with regard to his being jealous of his wife’s popularity was the mark of a spoiled, coddled brat. How could any woman be attracted to someone like that? It’s so unmanly, ungracious and distasteful for a mature man to behave that way. I would have escaped from that prison then and there. The handwriting was already on the wall, even without the interference of Camilla in their relationship. Charles, the weak soy boy, who demands all the attention or else he throws a hissy fit!
He's the future king. He wouldn't be the first monarch to have the attitude of demanding total allegiance and attention.....Henry VIII took their heads lol.
Sounds familiar.
Well, I’d like to think that if my hypothetical partner took all the spotlight to the extent that Diana did, I’d be supportive and graceful. But one never knows. Charles had his own mental problems, and people barely even pretended to like him too when Diana was around... some jealousy was bound to happen.
That said, his attitude towards her popularity, in my opinion, was a bigger flaw than his feelings for Camilla. After all, you can be forced to marry a person, but you can’t be forced to love them
Barbara Greve remember she was very naive & young. Had never had a boyfriend before even.. 20 yrs old when she married him
if Charles wasn’t jealous or insecure of Diana, people would not hated him up until now
👏 👏👏👏👏 well said.
He was jealous that he would never be as loved as her. And Camilla was the only one who told him all the things he wanted to hear. What an insecure lil bitch
He is pathetic!!!
Yes they would even the men disapproved of Camilla.
@@naurrrre how was he not supposed to be insecure? Have you watched the show? Charles was a delicate, fragile boy who needed affection and recognition, Family didnt care about him... how was he supposed to be confident? Lol
Diana deserved so much better , a better husband a better family a better life 💔
Unfortunately many of us do.
she really did 😔
@@alexandra287 no she did not. She was naive and stupid. She was not a saint and he is not evil. I feel sorry for charles
@@sdearing6375 sorry for what lmao he's the one who used her and got with his mistress at the end
I AGREE 👍100% !
Now I understood why Harry decided to leave his family along with Meghan. Nobody can ever forget what the family did to Diana .
Yep! I said the same thing! Now I understand!
Nah! Diana was 18, Megan 35. Big difference. Plus with internet and Diana's experience she knew what she was getting into.
@@Mczzin that is very inconsiderate. There is no amount of information that can prepare a person to be scrutinized by millions on a daily basis
@@gloriadickson03 We agree to disagree. In fact, you just admitted having knowledge of the fact that if you marry into that family, you'll be scrutinized by millions of people. Again, we can disagree.
@@Mczzin she absolutely did not. Knowing of the royal and public obligations is not the same as realizing the week before your wedding that your fiancé’s heart belongs to another.
Princess Diana completely overshadowed Prince Charles. she was everything the population needed.
Everything like what?
@@reyperez3424 someone who showed humility. something that hadn't come from the royal family in years.
She was everything the world needed. I miss her so much
I meet them both on the Australian tour, they were both charming. Charles was actually better face to face than Diana in that dynamic, having had years of practice. He was better at striking up a conversation and appearing genuinely interested in people on a one on one basis. I did feel sorry for her though, she did seem especially vulnerable when faced with walking past a crowd of screaming teenagers. She was only 4 to 5 years older then the crowd.
She over shadowed EVERYone!!! 😎
Poor Diana...she was used as a baby factory for the royal family. When she met a real love, her life was snuffed out. CONCLUSION: ROYALTY IS A CIRCUS!
correct
Having relationship with husband heart is with someone, really it's highly difficult.. no one in royal family to console her. Princess Diana was all alone.
Even Prince Philip called it a circus in season 2.
So who was this real love she met? She had several lovers, and her life was not "snuffed out". The man she was seeing in Paris Doidi Fayed, was hardly a real love. Diana said to several people that she only saw him as a summer romance, and he hismself had been living with another woman at the time his father told him to go and court Diana. Hardly Romeo and Juliet.....
Right u r
Harry is the only one who saw through the toxicity and saved Meghan. He's always been a mamas boy and I'm so proud of him for standing his ground and protecting his wife and future family.
💯
@adr cue Meghan was destroyed my British media and the Royals. Brits are to arrogant to see what they did to that girl.
@adr cue the royals are cruel as fuck and your seriously talking about Meghan??
@adr cue Golddigger? She was a millionare before meeting Harry! And articles you say? Do you mean the tabloid bullshit? Tbh,there are far more serious issues are to be talked about in that family rather than Harry and Meghan.
@adr cue articles?? TABLOIDS, you mean? Harry is a grown up man, he chooses what he wants to do for his family!
The "good" moments between them in this episode were so heartbreaking. It gave you a little shard of hope. But, of course, you cannot alter history. Josh and Emma were AMAZING. Their chemistry was charming and I even loved the intense fight scenes.
I hate that Camilla was always throwing a wrench in their relationship. I can't understand WHY he loved that crass, garrish woman!! She was so catty and mean.
@Stephanie Barresi I hope Diana said "I want my husband to myself!" I hope they put that scene in the show.
@@trawlins396 - If the art (The Crown) is accurately imitating life, Camilla provided/provides Charles with an acceptance of who he really was/is (something he could not freely show to his family). Charles was/is able to truly be himself around Camilla. If Camilla is truly crass and "garish" as you say, perhaps down deep, Charles has a bit of that crass & garish personality that he can only express with Camilla. Recall the saying, "beauty is only skin deep."
@@maryanng6841 that may be true but Camilla still didn't have to be so mean to Diana.
not only she didnt had to be mean to diana but she didnt have to be such a homewrecker. when we say crass.and garish thats her deep inside not just looks. I dont have anything to say to a woman who takes another womans husband anymore theres mo.excuse for that. she deserves the hate
Charles has always been a spoiled brat.
It's not his fault he was born into a world of privelege. I actually think he seems down to earth in his interviews.
No one held him accountable to his actions. Not even his own flesh and blood.
She was pretty spoiled herself.
@@trawlins396 He is still a brat today.
@@AngelaRodhas he doesn't seem like one.
Charles brought it all on himself, if he is anyone's victim, he is rather a victim of his own stupidity, lack of character, selfishness, and greed. As others have commented on here, Charles could have married Camilla without any problems if he had waived his rights to the crown. He could have done it if he had courage and character. Like Edward VIII who married Simpson. So if Charles loved Camilla so much, why wasn't he ready to give up the crown for her? - could Charles defenders answer this? It's clear, he loves power and social position more than Camilla or anyone.
You are correct that Charles, if he had any sense of integrity or a backbone could have waived off his inheritance to the Crown, however like most insecure men his biggest barrier to having that sense of independent character is the fact he himself felt as unloved in his family, as Diana did in her own. Charles is an overgrown mamas boy still seeking the approval of a cold woman who long before he was born committed herself to a duty that doesn't allow for personal feelings and relationships to take priority. Had he gone against his mothers wishes and married Camilla, she would have just dismissed and exiled him from royal life as effectively as her mother did to Edward VIII and Wallace Simpson and that would have destroyed him, from his position he had no other choice but to marry Diana.
Thank you. Thats exactly what i believe
@@Aphrael76 yeah I totally agree. I imagine it was more than just power, this was a role he had been trying to live up to his whole life. It was a role that, if Prince Phillip’s speech to Edward on his birthday is accurate, was the only reason he was born. He’d seen the way everyone around him with strong emotions, especially romantic ones, that interfered with royal duty was treated as second rate, selfish, weak, etc. There is a scene in the show, the night before the wedding where Princess Margaret tells the Queen and Queen mother about Charles’s lingering feelings and pleads for the Queen to stop the wedding only for the Queen to go talk to Charles and say a loveless marriage might work itself out if they both dedicate themselves to their duty while Charles silently cries, it really makes you understand that this is the influence he had growing up. Queen Elizabeth was able to find a way to put duty over emotion so she was not equipped to handle or comfort other people not doing the same, even her own children. They were effectively taught that being brave and having character meant choosing duty over any personal pleasure in life. The position and power were just part of their birth and more a burden they have to carry than anything. I think seeing how disastrous that can be for the family is why they have gotten more relaxed in some of the rules and is definitely why Harry left.
Russell Connor, WELL SAID!!!👏👏👏WELL SAID👏👏👏
@Dimepiece I don’t really believe that. Diana was killed after her and Charles had already divorced. Making her a martyr would and did just worsen the public opinion of Charles and Camilla’s relationship so it wouldn’t have made sense to kill her at that point (or any point after Diana gained serious public support) if the goal was to enable their relationship, not to mention the trauma inflicted on William and Harry. I think the Queen can be a trash mother without killing off her son’s ex-wife/ grandsons’ mother in a poorly thought out plot like that.
I like that Charles reminded Diana about the plastic whale. He knew what his son liked and that's nice to see. He should have shown more of that side.
yeah that looked genuine to me and was sweet.
Unfortunately it doesnt undo his toxic other qualities and behaviour.
I think its natural for both parents to do such things, the fact that it stands out so much shows how truly sad and rare it is for fathers and royals in particular to be cold and detached... which only made diana shine even brighter against them. She was a good kind fairly normal woman but compared to them she looked like a goddess an angel a pedastal which both helped and hindered her when we idolise someone were not allowing them to be themselves flaws and all although diana really couldnt have done much that would tar her she still had insane amounts of pressure in public and private to be a perfect princess a perfect person etc. It would be extremely hard even today, back then? Im amazed at how strong she was to cope as well as she did, given everything thats said and also left unsaid but is quite obvious reading between the lines (enough that the crown can show things the public wasnt privy to and is fictionalised to a point but still be so accurate and real shows that even if it didnt happen it sadly was a likely occurence) if she had continued to live i do often wonder if she wouldve been able to do so peacefully or at least live for her children long enough to see them grown or even have children themselves. Given her mental health and the situation it wouldnt be surprising if she like people such as robin williams life ended by their own hands. Im almost glad we didnt have that but her end is just as if not more tragic and it seems to have not made a difference at least in the paparazzi and invasive media scheme of things... i wonder if she had taken her own life if she wouldve become even more of a martyr or if that end wouldve skyrocketed mental health awareness and treatment even more so than it is now... when you see how much shes adored by the public even so many years later... its crushing to imagine how much love her sons couldve had from her, how much her family missed out on.
As an aussie i have mixed feelings about the monarchy i couldnt imagine being a republic nor do i believe it would benefit us to become one but youd be hard pressed to find someone who doesnt love diana or know about her and feel sad of her end. If she had been Queen the monarchy would be rock solid. But as it is i cant say i like or even feel neutrally towards those next in line. While william and kate are certainly more appealing than charles theyre not so lovable that they come close to diana or the queen. & harry certainly has taken any good faith of the modern royals and driven it to hell. God save the Queen i hope shes inmortal because i dont believe the moanrchy will ever be as strong. & ever since Princess Mary of Denmark (an aussie farm girl) became royal most of us care more about her family than we do the british royals... and frankly the danish royal family are so much better than the british ones in most aspects that its hard not to love them. In a way i feel mary got the cinderella true love typical princess happy ending that diana deserved. Its rather healing to see a healthy royal family especially going ahead in the future.
Also yay fellow slytherin 😊😊😊
That was so touching.
or was that planned?
yes the actress acting diana is amazing but the guy acting charles is doing hella good too
It's sad really. I don't think either of them received the kind of love and affection necessary in early childhood, so they were both insecure. You'd think that would've bonded them, but no. Both were seeking validation, and while Diana became the love of a nation and then the world, Charles became the sidekick/accessory. It was a disaster waiting to happen.
side note: Diana was far too young to be thrust into that mess.
The Crown ensures that if ever people forget why we don't like Charles & Camilla, we can always have a rerun every decade to remind future generations. And on and on and on it goes...sorry Charles, not. LOL
@@One.Zero.One101 It wasn't a memorial, it was her funeral service. The Spencers wanted to have a private funerral but they could see that iwth the public grief they had to make it a public one. So that would of course mean working with the Royal family to have such a big public ceremonial.
Fun fact being thirsty is not, in fact, an emotion. Who knew? Well everyone I thought. My mistake.
SOME OF YALL LIVING DIANA LIFE NOW, SIS, THAT MAN DONT WANT YOU, HE WANT THE GIRL HE KEEP TEXTING
@Daniel Coleman - Right! And Diana, even though she was only 20 years old ( and a very immature 20 year old), Diana knew what she was getting into by marrying Charles. She was "in love" with the thought of marrying Prince Charles!
Oh most definitely. I mean i know this series is not an accurate representation but if i found out my man still hanging out with his ex and even have a specially designed bracelet as a ‘parting gift’ engraved with their adored nicknames - i bolt. That is 4K OLED clarity that man is not over his ex.
As an Aussie, we have had many visits by royal family members. THIS is the one people still talk about and remember though. I wasn’t even born at the time and know all about it. She really captured aussies hearts.
I really admire her.. if today's women need to look upto a woman it should be Princess Diana . She is the epitome of compassion and love. Something that the world needs .
My three favorite role models, Princess Diana, Tina Turner, Jacqueline Kennedy.
@Mike Hill And Jaqueline Kennedy was an insecure shopping addict. A very accomplished insecure shopping addict but still. People don't have to be perfect to be admired but this retroactive saintification is annoying. True.
@@bluecollarlit There's plenty of great role models nowadays we don't need to look back in time to women who dress nice and look good. Diana did some excellent work with HIV and landmines and Tina publicly escaped an abusive relationship. I'm not aware of anything monumental Jackie did but do enlighten me.
@Mike Hill - Diana did emotionally rely on young William too much.
@Mike Hill she was pregnant when she threw herself down the stairs, manipulated the press for revenge at Charles, food binged then would make herself throw up, she had severe mental problems
The only thing that would have fixed this marriage was Camilla going to her husband and living Charles alone
Unfortunately her own husband was busy with his own lovers. Probably why she turned to Charles more.
@@sapphire7424 Do you really think that it would have made Charles and Diana a more compatible couple?
@@sapphire7424 do you think that they are the only royal couple who had affairs on the side? Anne did, so did Fergie.. Probalby others did as well but they were more low key and not chased by the press so nothing leaked out. Camilla not being around would not have made any diference IMO. AS Charles and Di got more unhappy with each other, I think it was inevitable that they would see other companions whom they found more pleasant to be with....
@@sapphire7424 nonsense. Charles never objected to any of Di's affairs... excpet if she was seeping with Barry Manakee
Charles: AHH finally, no more back lash from the princess Diana incident.
Netflix: Are you sure about that?
All of the cast was absolutely brilliant, but I was slightly more drawn to Emma Corrin's portrayal of Diana.
Kristen Stewart is shaking in her boots rn
I have only watched the first 2 episodes of Season 4 so far and I'm loving it!🤴
She looks exactly like Diana!
It's nice to see that everyone around the globe spitting on Charles and Camilla once again😂😂
I absolutely loved Diana and what she stood for. But through watching The Crown and doing my own research, I can understand Charles more and his issues with Diana's popularity. He grew up with absent parents who were less than loving in a way that Charles obviously needed and the way that Diana easily related to people and garnered popularity, didn't do any favours for Charles personal issues. To clarify, I don't think Diana is to blame. Charles parents are.
While Charles' parents were somewhat detached from ALL their children, in Charles' case, he had unconditional love from his maternal grandmother and from his "Uncle Dickie" (aka Lord Mountbatten) who took on a surrogate grandfather and sometimes, fatherly role in Charles' life. So, let's not "assume" that Charles did not experience any type of love in his childhood. How many people have grown up feeling more loved by grandparents than their own parents? It happens. The bottom line: Charles and Diana's marriage was a disaster from the beginning. Sure, it had its fleeing moments of pleasantness but fleeing moments do not build the foundation for a long-term commitment.
What did she stand for? A spoilt brat, who probably never read a book before marrying into wealth. She ‘stood for’ shopping and being adored.
They are all a waste of oxygen
I so agree ...
@@timsplanet2 lmao didn't she went to a swiss boarding school? that's top notch education. and she stand for her humanitarian work or are you forgetting that?
@@marvel096 Even her sisters said she wasn’t scholarly or well educated. Diana described herself as a bit “dim”. It just shows that being highly educated doesn’t make you a better person. Yes she did wonderful humanitarian work.
The same jealousy he had for his wife is now seen among his sons.
Do you mean that Charles is jealous of his sons? Or that that William and Harry are jealous / competitive with each other.
Sadly have to agree, Harry and Megan know only too well what the ugly face of jealousy looks like, hence their exile.
@Mike Hill AND how do you know this? Charles appeared so weak when Diana was alive. I think Diana actually got stronger and more determined once she was away from THAT toxic family crap!!! She is still being talked about, over 20 years since her death, isn't an honor that is usually attached to someone who is considered a 'weakling'. William seems like a bit of a smuck, like his father, but that is just my opinion!
If Harry had remained single as the third-wheel for William and Kate everything would have been fine. But Harry always wanted out because he did not enjoy being manipulated and controlled unable to express who he is. Then Meghan came along, an accomplished woman who did not need 8 years to come into her own, intellectually brilliant, articulate, and charismatic and she stole the show. William knew that Meghan was more popular than the Kengsington Palace IG account because her TIG had more followers before she shut it down. Her ability to do public speeches without a script and her no using palace speechwriters did not sit too well because they had no control over what she said. However, this self-made and confident millionaire was exactly what Harry wanted - Mutual True Love for the first time. Harry saw the financial independence with Meghan that he sought so he left. It should be noted the William pitched a Mental Health series to Netflix who turned him down but later gave Harry and Meghan a $250 million signing bonus to create whatever they wish. They bet on Meghan's creative ability, intelligence, and global popularity because everything she touches turns to gold. The question: Is William happy that Harry and Meghan have their freedom and he cannot control them except refusing to lay the wreath on Harry's behalf?
@@felixrudder5796 why are you making it seem like William is such a bad person....
Give the mouse acting credit.
I saw the rat in one of the scenes with the Queen Mother
She was such a strong woman!
That was a problem she went from being a shy quiet 18 year old or girl to a grown woman who stood her ground and they weren't expecting that
@Mike Hill shut the fuck up
@Mike Hill They treated her like shit and Charles was a terrible husband. That family use her for baby making then toss her to the side. She found her way the older she got smarter. Diane was a kid when she got involved 31yr old fool. At end she became the people princess
She had Indian Mtdna and didn’t carry important DNA of the elites of the ancient world like her other Stewart, French, German, Punjabi Jat Sikh and Jewish relatives.
Camilla?
Let’s talk about Anita’s outfits in these videos! These stockings! Yes ma’am!!!!
Yes! I love her dress in this video...
Why is there a mouse running across the palace floor in the beginning of episode 3? Very odd.
I saw that 😂😂😂😂
Consistency. They showed mice in the kitchen in one of the earlier seasons. It happens in old residences, however grand, and The Crown is nothing without its realism.
Hahahhahahahahah I noticed that too.
Lol I noticed that and thought it was odd.
@@arthurfleck816 because you're a Joker.
I found Diana’s story very fascinating yet I also believe many lessons can be learned from her experience. She was chosen because she was young and naive and a perfect sacrificial lamb. I don’t believe that they had a problem with him messing with Camilla, I think they knew he would continue to do that even after the marriage. The idea was to choose a young girl that was easily controlled so Charles could continue his affairs and Diana would just abide by them, therefore a win win for the firm and Charles. Basically everyone won with the exception of Diana who has no clue that she was being played like a game or chess. Every move made was meant to make sure that Charles and the royal family came out winners.
It’s always been made to seem that Camilla came between Charles and Dianas marriage. I don’t think there was ever a marriage between Charles and Diana. Camilla grew up understanding how the firm worked, she had no issue with Charles marrying Diana, because she understood most marriages were done for business purposes. The practice of marriage dates back to archaic times where breeding and money, dowry etc where the main reason for marriages.. our modern idea of marriage is not done for the same reasons Royals get married. Their rituals and practices are based on archaic reasons.
Although Diana was of good breeding she was a school teacher and not very educated on royal protocol. I wouldn’t be surprised if Camilla was the one who encouraged the union between Charles and Diana thinking a younger inexperienced girl would do as she’s told and pose less of a threat to her relationship with Charles. It always seemed as if Camilla was in the background. I don’t think that is the case, Charles, his mistress and his entire family needed a plan and Diana was seen as the perfect choice to solve all their problems.
There were many other woman Charles could have chosen, but They specifically found one who was rather clueless. They did not find Diana by accident. They needed someone for good Breeding.
If it looks to good to be true and probably is. Secondly, like most relationships that end up toxic, there were signs that Diana ignored. She got swept up in the love bombing and fantasy of it all. Many woman do this as well. You don’t need to be a princess in to end up in a toxic relationship. I’m sure there were many signs.
Everyone loved Princess Diana because Princess Diana loved everyone 🥺
Especially James Hewitt and a few others.
He was playing _second best_ in comparison to his wife now he's playing second best to his son
And might never be king 🤦🏿♀️
Ah, a supporting player in his own life.
@@laddibugg Unless he dies before the queen he's going to be king
Also , Diana was the only one who never did wear gloves ...
Diana was a shy innocent teenager who was walked all over by royals. Just watched the Crown which shows what a miserable life she had, starting when she was isolated at Buckingham Palace before she was married.
I genuinely do not understand Charles’ jealousy here. If my partner and I were out, and people were going crazy over him, I’d be flipping delighted. I would be so happy, as if to say, “Look at my honey… isn’t he awesome?!” I just don’t get it. I would not understand if people DIDN’T love him. That would annoy me.
Queen of Hearts, the peoples true Princess, and still is always will be
When you want to don’t like Charles but Josh is so fineee
What? People not likeee Charles but Joan is fineee. No tickeee no washeee. “Need more Calhoun.”
Charles is a terrible person. He and Camilla were the most awful pair, and always will be. Poor Diana! She was 18, a girl who was deceived, disregarded, envied by all the family. Just watched all the episodes and once again I realised how she felt, her pain. I can't believe that she died in a simple accident, just can not...
Her story was heartbreaking. Charles played her over and over again.
How was she disregarded by the family? was she housed in an attic? Not allowed to go out? No money?
She truly is the People's princess. We just can't get enough of her. Wish she was still here.
Does this make anyone else despise "Glady's" any more than I do? Their marriage NEVER stood a chance and she deserved so much more than this.
I loved the dance scene. The little flicker of hope it gave of them potentially being able to work it out while also knowing that tragedy would ultimately strike and it all shattered again.
Gillian Anderson totally disappeared in her role! She should win an acting award! And lol, Prince Charles will never ever ever live it down. He can never win against Diana’s youth.
No, especially since he gets older every year and she’s frozen in time. No, it isn’t fair to Charles.
If Meghan experienced 1/3 of what Diana did, while living as a family member in ‘Firm’, I totally understand why she and Harry decided to leave. The toxicity is mind boggling.
She would have received worse because Harry is a spare and not in the direct line of succession. In that culture, it was important to prevent Harry from outshining his brother - but the public loves Harry more. Likewise, it was important for Kate to remain the most popular female but Meghan turned it upside down with her pre-royal global popularity. That is why from the day that the BM heard Harry was dating Meghan and they realized she was an accomplished woman, intellectually brilliant, schooled at a world-class university, highly articulate, and very charismatic - They said "OH NO! she will outshine Kate, so we have to do something. Then all the lies started and Harry got mad and made a public complaint and now he has his FREEDOM.
@@felixrudder5796 Freedom? Harry is living in a strange country, doing hte same things that he did in the UK but with no Royal stature behind him
I’m so disappointed with the Crown’s coverage of Diana. Thatcher got more coverage.
Well thatcher only has one season whilst Diana has two she’s going to be in season five as well
@@LuisMartinez-rw2lj we have to wait until 2022 for the next Season.
@Kardashian Jenner Fan Ik although I had no idea about her son disappearing
well i mean it's never really only a royal family series because it includes the whole Great Britian - and what was happening with Diana was as huge as what was happening with Thatcher.
I thought they had plenty of Diana. Anyway she will be back next season, recast as another actress.
of course Charles is 'jealous'. he spends his entire life having his voice not be heard and he married someone who took even more spotlight away from him. it's not Diana's fault nor something she can control, but you must see how it's hard for someone like him to genuinely be happy for her. he didn't marry her for love in the first place he was just told it will grew overtime
But for it to grow overtime, he had to try!! When they actually had that conversation and tried to accept each other in Australia for a bit they were happy, but the moment they were back on English soil he ran back to Camilla.
What i mean is, he didn't even try to accept the situation and find love in the wonderful woman he had married. He was too busy whining and complaining about how he couldn't have Camilla who actually was pretty happy in her own life. Ah, Naive foolish Charles!
@@rujutashah4423 im not excusing Charles behavior as a husband, obvs cheating is never okay but im just aware of it's background. and tbh we don't know shit about Camilla's happiness lmao she was only portrayed cheering up Charles in this show. At some point he must've tried, i mean William and Harry didn't just appear out of thin air, and he mentioned how he seek help from psychiatrist for his marriage. but in the end the heart wants what it wants... and the bitter truth is there's no women in the world, even the 'perfect wife and princess' Diana, are above Camilla in his eyes. We all know how the story ends
@@rujutashah4423 I'm sorry but you can't really talk about the situation by quoting scenes from a Netflix show. At the end of the day it is just a Netflix show, we don't know the conversations they had and what they felt
@@mochachan3295 that's true, the heart wants what it wants. You're saying he must have tried, but if you even Google Search you'll find that Charles used to visit Camilla throughout their marriage. I mean, just two weeks before their marriage he got her a bracelet which she wears to this day (the one with F & G, Fred and Gladys their nicknames).
If he really would have tried to forget Camilla, he would've. Dozens of people get their hearts broken every single day. At least in here in India, so many couples are split by their families because they do not belomg to the same caste and even though unlike Charles for them it isn't the matter of National Scandal. And do they all do what Charles did? No, right? They respect their parents' decision and marry the guy/girl they choose.
Camilla was a groupie from the beginning. When she had to choose between Andrew and Charles for marriage, she chose to marry Andrew Parker Bowles. And even though she kept seeing Charles it was wrong. Once they were both married they should've cut ties with one another and work on their own separate marriages.
My point is, even though saying is so much easier than doing perhaps if they'd have given their own marriages a legitimate chance of working maybe they would've worked.
@@Flo23211 agreed. I talked about that conversation because that's what we see in the show. But if we dont talk about that right now, and focus on real and known facts -
Charles and Diana were relatively very happy in the beginning of their marriage, when he saw Camilla less, William and Harry were born, and Camilla was busy with her own family.
It was afterwards in the late 1980's
He suddenly realised that he wasn't happy in the marriage because Camilla and him got more and more time together and he started treating Diana her badly because he couldn't be with Camilla, that's when their marriage deteriorated.
At least that's what i think.
I was expecting to see Emma in the wedding dress for more than 5 secs. I KNOW that the focus of the show isn't the romance side of Charles and Diana. Why hype about the wedding prior to the release if you wouldn't show it. That's my only disappointment for now. I've just finished watching episode 3.
I wanted to see the dress too. They used TWENTY seamstresses to make it but only showed it for 30 seconds😢😢😭😭
@@trawlins396 would have been a nice touch but it’s pretty understandable why they didn’t include it. Doesn’t add much to the overarching story.
@@fruitpuff9388 but it was a huge television event. Even in the states.
My comment is totally irrelevant, but I was not a big fan of Diana’s wedding dress. I liked Fergie’s much better. I haven’t finished watching the series yet so don’t know if that is shown or not.
@@barbarahope1934 I don't even remember Fergies dress 😂.
I was born in the 2000s and even I know about Princess Diana! Geez Charles doesn't deserve to be king! How can he be the head of the Church? Yikees he isn't an example like his mother
What do you mean? He’s married, faithful to his wife (well at his age nothing works w/o a pill), a good father, kind to his dogs, goes to church and talks to his flowers. What’s not to love?
I believe the royals resented her because she managed to find the balance between the visual fairytale of the crown and relatability from the public. Where the royals saw "commoners" she only saw humans, just like her, and people responded positively. That must have been a clusterfuck to the royals, seeing her succeed with everything they were told not to be or do. I think she would have been the bridge between the old and new world for the royal family. She brought the change in perspective and behavior that they needed, and instead of taking pointers from her success, they decided to let her drown in her marriage.
Princess Diana bringing her kid Prince William to the tour of Australia changed royal tours forever. When Prince William and Kate toured Australia they also brought their kid Prince George to the tour.
Diana was a person, who became a symbol.
Charles came from a family of symbols, who refused to be seen as people.
Yes, Skeptical Asshole, your college degree is being put to good use with that deep introspection. NOT.
I was there as a toddler in Canberra waving a flag and I saw the Queen when she came back to Australia in 88
When they did this tour, my mother taught intellectually disabled children. In Canberra, my mother took them out for a trip to see Princess Di, and she got up quite close because they were disabled (with the children, of course) and the press were extremely jealous. She actually unintentionally struck up a nice little conversation with the princesses lady in waiting.
Who else watched Season 4 and actually started despising and even hating Charles for the way he treated Diana every step of the way? He was so so horrible. They just got him married to Di and nobody even told him to leave Camilla. I wished someone would've enforced "keeping your wedding vows" on him as much as they did on Lady Diana!
The only lesson i learnt -
The Royal Family has no emotions whatsoever, and if you're an "outsider" member who's going through issues, well they don't give a hoot.
Come to think of it, Meghan and Harry may not have been wrong for wanting to leave the whole ghastly business behind!
nobody told Diana to leave any of her lovers except possibly Manakee..... THe RF were quite prepared to allow Diana a private life..
She was the Princes of hearts for people around the world . Unfortunately the royal family killed her
more conspiracy theory
The royal family must not have liked Diana after she openly spoke about her troubled relationship with Charles but they had nothing to gain from killing her. They already knew that her tragic marriage had made the royal family look very bad and after she died it was even worse as it kind of made her a martyr and everyone else (except Will and Harry) look like utter jerks because it was pretty obvious to the public that Diana's in-laws didn't like her.
The royal family would not have had the power to hire assassins even if they wanted to. The monarchy is seen as important to some Brits but they hold no real power in Britain or anywhere else.
FUCKING SKYLINE, Where is your proof?? It’s fucking stupid shit assholes like you that have no common sense or smarts that voted for Trump.
Diana was never murdered. She faked her death and is alive and well in America as an illustrious member of the Rothschild banking family.
@@johnpickford4222 I'm not American I'm British educated thank you very
I can't believe how once upon a time a woman of such beauty was forced to endure such a painfully lonely married life. She doesn't deserve that treatment. I don't know about you guys but I see Charles as a dick. If you followed his portrayal in this season you'll know he gets envious of Diana's success (which is so absurd). Her success is his success he should've just seen it that way I guess. Now I know why Brits hate him. Should anyone succeed to make a time machine do make us a favor will you and save that poor girl from a life of misery.
Never a fan of Charles in real life at all. This season delivers the best performance
And that Charles, Philip & The Queen were stuck up old farts lost in a bygone era.
Did the Britons ever accept Camilla? I still don't like her and Charles. I hope he is never King.
If Charles is never king his son won't be either. That will break the line. Think about that.
No he can abdicate for William. Who wants him and Camilla anyways?
@@janelle144 Well THAT'S not true.
@@armygirl85fuckhitler74 well that's good news. Hope he does.
@@armygirl85fuckhitler74 But he HAS to be King to abdicate....
At first I thought that Charles and, in particular, Diana, were both victims of the monarchy and what so-called the royal family. However, after finishing The Crown season 4, I have no feelings but contempt towards Charles.
He appeared to be understanding when he put his duty over love by choosing and getting married to Lady Di. But right after the wedding (or even before the wedding, idk), he became such a bloody coward. He betrayed her without any public hide and supported in transforming his wife from a young and energetic girl to a woman with sad eyes. He even blamed her on putting no attempt on their marriage while giving her no chance for even just a phone answer. What's the matter with that jerk?
Some compliments on Josh O'Connor's performance for his successful portrayal of that lack-of-responsibility-and-no-dignity-AT-ALL Prince of Wales.
Thu-Ha DO: Remember The-Ha-Ha-He-He Dew that THE CROWN is at best a fictionalization of events and there is little or no attempt to portray anything realistically. The producers, writers/imaginaries and directors are manipulating the situations as well as the audience. At the end of Season 3 everyone was crying and sad for Prince Charlie. Now in Season 4 he is the devil incarnate yet Diana is portrayed as the victim, when in fact she wasn’t as innocent as people want to believe because much of it is not being dramatized. THIS IS FICTION EXCEPT FOR THE BASIC FACTS and most of it is imagined.
Ppl always talk shyt on Charles but imo Diana could have walked away BEFORE the wedding but chose not to. major red flags were the bracelet incident AND the lunch w Camilla where she pretty much said Charles is HERS. Come on, another woman is telling you BEFORE you even marry him that your fiance is extremely attached to her! I still can't understand WHY Charles was in love with that crass, garrish Camilla anyway??!!
Diana said she told her sisters she couldn’t go through with marrying Charles, and they said “Well, bad luck, Duch. Your face is on the tea towel, so you're too late to chicken out.”
She couldn’t get out of it - this wasn’t an ordinary engagement/wedding/marriage. It was a Royal one; the wedding was broadcast on Live television.
She was always followed by reporters ( _before the announcement of their engagement_ ), everyone already knew who Diana was. And she found out about the bracelet _after_ the announcement of their engagement. You really think she could’ve walked away?
How the world “would have” loved the man who loved, the Queen of Hearts!
that's not at all the case. Charles did lose popularity wehn Diana came along and was so adored. the people who came to see them, didn't want to see him, it was galling for him to hear poeple saying "Oh we're on the wrong side". Being with Diana took from C's popularity.
When she hugged the baby my soul dropped. Immediate tears. She was perfect on the inside as well as out. Just wish she could of seen that.
You are pathetic!
HRH Diana was better than them all and always will be. William is sadly just like his father, but looks like his mother.
He's not like Diana but he's definitely not like Charles
@@orionise9715 he is like Charles, a cheater!
The crown didn’t show the wedding .. the honeymoon where she found out about Camilla again.. the birth of William. WTH?
@Chantel Simmons I’m guessing this is exactly right.
It's about the crown so they will only show mostly the stories around the queen not Diana.....
@Chantel Simmons i dont think it's because of the covid because the filming of the 4th took place before 2020. i was quite disappointed as well but they dont show that probably because the main story is about the queen not princess diana.
Just a note, the crown though based on real life events is fiction - though people may have an opinion nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors, any arguments or verbal abuse/ jealousy are just conjecture and this is a Netflix promotion, not a historical peer reviewed, fact checked documentary, as such a lot of things will be blown out of proportion and sensationalised - not making any judgements or trying to cause offense just something to bear in mind 😊
I agree. They are ASSUMING that Charles was jealous.
@@trawlins396 I feel bad as well because it's not ancient history, this was less than 50 years ago and is probably still a painful subject for those involved, particularly their children - I also don't like the way it says "the true story behind..." There should be some sort of disclaimer in there
yes that’s true that certain elements are fictionalised but it’s was quite well known that diana was unhappy and trapped in that marriage thanks to sources from the palace or friends of hers doing interviews after her death. most of my knowledge of hers comes from odd documentaries that i’ve watched that have recounts of people involved in her life from birth to death.
@@angelat5554 that part is true yes. But only Charles knows if he was " jealous" or not.
@@trawlins396 He certainly looked jealous and put out when he and Diana started appearing in public together at the time. Not going off the series, I lived through those times and saw it on the news and in the papers. He didn’t make any effort to hide it.
EXCUSE YOU. A Māori hongi is NOT a nose rub. It is the brief touching of noses, sometimes accompanied by a kiss on the cheek, that brings you eye to eye with a stranger and leaves you united with the same breath. te Ao Māori. The breath of life. Maybe if netflix hadn't reduced Aotearoa to a close up of a haka people might look a little deeper at our indigenous culture and tradition.
I don’t care enough about it, to be honest.
@@DonnaChamberson says it all really.
@@DonnaChamberson - You owe Ms. Gibbs an apology . Please show some respect.
@@rebeccagibbs4128 - I care. Thank you for your explanation. It is important that we respect each other and to learn about another's culture and custom is respect.
@@maryanng6841 No thank you.
I think there needs to be strict laws with the paparazzi it should be illegal for them to wait outside peoples homes and run after them when they are just doing their day to day business.
Try learning how to pronounce Māori. Not a huge asked but shows a level of respect.
I remember I was staying in my grandmas when the news came through that she died. It was really early in the morning and my mum and grandma wept for days. I was 12 but it was so vivid. There's no screenplay that could ever get across how much she was adored. She was just so young marrying at 19 so shy and childlike but somewhere something clicked in her and she blossomed and became such a fearless, compassionate, endearing woman with an insatiable love for people and children with a relentless desire to help and heal. I still think she was the most beautiful woman in the world in her way and in her eyes and the way she would look up, it told a story. It's lovely to see she is still so much adored.
People can’t understand who we’re not here for her death. There is no one currently who can compare with our beautiful Diana.
I remember the day when her death came on the news. So sad and taken so soon. Diana was like mother Theresa she was so kind and caring, very wise, and great role model. In my eyes she not just a princess, she is a true queen and saint.
And i agree. The very thought of her still bring tears to my eyes till this day. 😿
I remember when she died also. At first they reported that she had a broken arm and not long later it was reported she waa dead. I was 14 at the time.
The thing that dawned on me now is I am older now than she was when she died at 36. She was so young and had lived through so much, she always seemed older than that to me.
If Charles told Dianna that he never loved her the day before the wedding, there never was a marriage!
No, not shown was the scene the night before the wedding, when she was with her sisters in the palace, when she told them that she wanted to cancel the wedding. Their reply? "Too late Duch; your face is on the tea towels now." Once the announcement was made, there was no backing out.
Diana already knew he didn't love her. She should have walked away after lunching w Camilla. Camilla was acting like SHE was Charles wife and Diana was the mistress!!
@@meeeka The poor thing. Can you imagine the scandal if she had? Unfortunately the pressure to avoid a scandal lead to a very unhappy marriage for both of them.
Asshole, there was a marriage. Diana should have cancelled if he told her that.
really? So why did Diana go ahead with the weddign when she allegedly knew that Camilla was someone special to Charles.. and had done so for ages.
can't help but pity the queen sometimes, her sons are beyond disappointing - Charles the insecure with mommy issues, Andrew the self-entitled peddy, Edward the baby. There's a limit how much they can blame their upbringing and the environment they grew up in
Diana will always be the Queen the UK never got , and she is still loved because she cared about people with a big heart and she was human ... QE2 , Charles and the rest of the family lived in a fantasy where they lived by rules , never show human emotions and expected everyone in the country to love them ..
It’s true that Australians absolutely adored Diana. I was 10 when she died, and I remember the mass outpouring of grief- even amongst those who were usually not particularly fond of the monarchy (like my mother, who was and is still a republican).
And Will and Kate also managed a very successful tour here as well- something that also served to push talks of ditching the monarchy to the side. And many Australians think it should wait until after the Queen dies. Which apparently, Liz is not fond of- if Australia is to become a republic, we should do it now, and not wait for her to go, apparently. I tend to agree with her (I’m even more of a republican than my mother- note the small R- obviously the term has very different connotations in Australia)
Pretty much every republican I've met in my life all agree on waiting until after Elizabeth II dies to reconsider becoming a Republic. Which still may be some time away lol
@@Myne1001 I don’t. Funnily enough, the Queen agrees- if we want to become a republic, just do it.
But I don’t hold any love for any monarch. I think the entire idea is shitty. I don’t care if she croaks it first or not, I just want us to get rid of the monarchy. But I do think you’re right- most Aussies refuse to think about it until she dies.
I feel so hurt for Princess Diana... she deserved so much more... beautiful and intellegent lady.
Binged this last night. Did not like the way Diana was portrayed. Made her look like a whacko.
I somewhat agree. She did seem a bit childish and selfish at some point. However, she was only 21 so It makes sense.
If you watch Diana: In her own words on Netflix you can see that she really did lose it. No fault of her own. But she really did go kind of insane. She talks about it in that documentary. She was very much in a bad way.
@@KailashCiaran I know but the producers made it seem like she was always that way. And the cringy hug she gives the queen? Maybe Season 5 will show her growth and maturity.
That Camilla really played dirty. She is heartless.
Only for the sake of those kids she could’ve stepped away and simply let the family flourish.
I can’t believe how possibly can someone be like that...
I mean it speaks volumes anout her as a mom and human that her own children were todlers when diana and charles got engaged so in effect she didn't even spare her own kids the emotional trauma.
Also in some of her children's recent interviews you can kinda see how her kids feel like outsiders and strangers to their mom because they can't go to her for anything happening with them they have to make appointments and deal with private secretaries to get that. I guess fulfilling her grandma's legacy was more important to her than being a mom and a good person
@@karensmyth1215 not my impression. They seem to get on well with her. They have always had her house where they could go to be more informal and of course they expect that as a senior royal lady, she is bound to be tied up iwht royal duties, secretaries etc at times
I kind of believe most of the private conversations depicted in the crown are bs. People tend to fill in the blank spaces in a way that fits the narrative they like.
I mean, the show’s writer is pretty open about that. He’s said as much every season that has been released.
Yeah the monologue Phillip gave Charles about being replaced as the son of Dickie made it hard not to roll my eyes lol
The show’s writer has said “the events are true, the conversations are not”
That's why people should stop looking at this as a true reenactment of their lives. There's no way of knowing what happened in these private conversations, or even if they happened at all.
Hell where is all the speculation about Hewitt being the real father of Prince Harry? This was widely talked about as this affair was made public, yet not even a word on it.
@@arthurfleck816 only public events are (somewhat) certain. I wouldn't trust that any private events are true or that they even happened. They should state that everything in the series is fiction inspired by real events.
I feel so bad for Dianna. Everyone failed her, her family failed her by setting her up with Charles, her husband and his family failed her, the media failed her. She was a young, vulnerable and inexperienced lady who craved love.
This tour showed the strengths of Diana, and the weaknesses of Charles, and it only got worse.
People say Harry was weak for denying a place in the throne and choosing love over the crown but I say that was a move that shows a lot of strength and courage! Something his father never had the balls to do! If he loved camila as much as he did, he could’ve given up the crown, marry her and spare Diana and himself a life full of sorrow but he was too greedy and needed someone to stroke his ego instead. The royal family is a royal circus! Nothing great about giving up your life to become a robot for your country!
The actors who played Charles and Diana were great. It’s still so sad to think about how Diana’s life played out.
In early interviews with Diana she acted devoted to her husband and eager to be a supportive wife. I believe she meant it. She gave Charles a gift and he threw it back in her face. He was disgusting. If he cared at all for her he should have been glad at the love people gave her. He should have been proud not childish.
The series left out the fact that the Queen's representative in Australia fired a democratically elected PM in the early 70's (a member of Bob Hawke's party), which is why the monarchy's reputation had plummeted. Truly an undemocratic and treacherous act.
Charles took advantage of Diana by taking her as his wife just to please his family, not because he loved her, but what he didn't expect is that Diana would turn up the game and make it her own. She is the one that everybody remembers, never have I read or heard of someone speaking bad about her. Im from the Dominican Republic and i´ve known countless women named after her.
Diana stood up at a time when women were meant just to do what was told to them.
She embraced her own self and decided she wouldn't be just another pawn on the Royal family, she wouldn't be taken for granted, taken as a mating soulless doll. Is so unfair and heartbreaking that she left this world just when things seemed like doing good for her, while Charles kept being the spoiled momma´s child, now married to the woman he always wanted to be with.
From watching this season of The Crown I´ve learnt that not even a loving, beautiful and dedicated woman can change a man´s heart.
May God have our princess Diana in the loving and resting place she deserves.
Diana,princess of Wales !
Emma looks so different when she's not in character.