The Centauri Fleet Analysis | Babylon 5 Ships
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
- In this video, we will be looking at the different Centauri Ships and comparing which one is the strongest. We will be looking at the Primus Battlecruiser , Vorchan Warship, Sentri Medium Fighter , Rutarian Strike Fighter, Razik Light Fighter, Maximus Frigate, Morgrath Frigate, Darkner Frigate, Octurion Battleship, Dargan Cruiser. What kind of weapons and defenses do they have and why are they stronger than each other.
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"Most fighters don't survive attacking the Primus." Babylon 5's starfuries not only survived,but destroyed a primus.
That's because the Starfury outclassed every other Younger Race fighter except the Nial (and even then, the edge of the Nial was due more to Minbari Physiology than true fighter supremacy, as they could pull higher Gs than any other Younger Race without risk of blackout or injury.)
@@digitalis2977 It wasnt that they could pull higher G's, it was that they were willing to pull them and pass out and let their autopilot complete the kill. Though it seems their real advantage was their fighters were just as hard to lock on to with sensors as their capital ships.
@@watcherzero5256 Actually, I believe you're confusing the Minbari with the Centauri, as a common Centauri tactic was just what you described. The Minbari, on the other hand, could pull roughly 3x higher G-Forces than a Human without blacking out.
B5. Destroyed the Primus. A very very upgraded B5. Not the furies
@@ParagonRex Not sure what episode you watched.
The Starfuries ravaged that Primus, and the only Fury it managed to hit was in the opening salvo when it was still flying in escort formation with the Narn Cruiser.
Perhaps the Centauri Interceptors were solely devoted to incoming fire from the station, but even AFTER the upgrades Babylon 5 was no warship, and it could only hope to take one WITH its fighter compliment.
Either way, I'd say the Starfuries were more than successful against the Primus.
Always loved vir and Londo.
The latter a tragic tale and vir good hearted and the only one to get what he wanted when he answered Mordon
Got what he wanted... would the the vorlons considered him unclean because he got what he wanted? 🤔
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Well there vorlons were hypocritical aholes except they only had one that really cared.. Kosh
@@alanmike6883 I am Kosh. Second vorlon, I am Kosh.
The Vorchon Warship was my favorite ship, aesthetically, on B5. But then, I also tend to lean towards Warbirds in Star Trek.
Klingon Bird of Prey is my most favorite ship of all things. Like to use it in Star Wars universe
Sentri Medium Fighter reminds me of Goa'uld Death Glider, while the Rutarian Strike Fighter is like a Cylon Raider.
They do. I just noticed the similarities
@@UtopianBroadcast1 Suggestion:
Wraith (Stargate) vs Cylons (BSG).
I had the same exact thoughts, for the similarities between the fighters from here to those of other franchises/"universes". They look SO very similar to one another.
@@kevinwestrom4775 That's because he's getting his images from the game as well as the TV series. The games graphics aren't very original, one might even say they were directly lifted from other IPs. Look at the higher quality pictures, those are from the TV series. That stuff is the original work, the stuff from the games is the lazy, "let's make some quick money" sort of stuff. At least UB is presenting us with some info, all nice and correlated in one spot. He's not making nearly as much money as the game designers, but he is at least putting in the work. That game must have been awful.
Don't forget the comparison to slip fighters from Andromeda.
So as a former mechanic in the Air Force I'll just tell you right now, on paper it says a work life of 1-3 months, in reality it'll be something like 10-30 years depending on resource availability and how well devised their economy is to roll out the number of ships such a infinitely short life span promises
I'm pretty sure that's just how much time the ship can go before needing resupplying. A lot of ships in B5 can get to 10 years.
Even old Centauri ships from the 2000s are still roaming their space during the Narn Centauri War, although they are not in optimal conditions.
@@dianavespid937 Yeah, you're right. The video isn't talking about replacing a ship after 1-3 months, it's talking about operational capacity before resupply and refit.
Pity, that we never had the chance to trully see the glory of Primus. Loved it when at EFNI (obviously, fan-made and non-cannon... still great fun to read) Primus and its gravimetric engine both were depicted as a key factor of Republic's victory over Orieni Empire.
Wish there were more of Centauri warships types actually shown in the series. Besides Vorchan, Primus and Sentri.
The same can be said about every race. The show shows at best 2 or 3 ships classes for each, well... 5 or 6 for earth and minbari, but still, i would've loved to see of the other races ships
There were a bunch of books about the Centauri when they fought another race 400 years ago before the time of B5 called the Orieni. The Second Orieni War was the debut of the Primus.
Glad you included the ships from the Babylon 5 wars ship combat game. Even if they were not pictured in the show jms approved them, and they should be considered cannon.
The Centarui are a classic example of the axiom ‘Pride goeth before a fall’. The Republic was once known as the ‘Lion of the Galaxy’ (which is odd since Lions are from Earth, and we didn’t encounter the Centauri until well after their fall from grace) and they were so powerful that even the Minbari chose not to directly challenge them, but as with all Empires, it grew too large and unwieldy and those in power grew increasingly more corrupt. In their arrogance they stopped pushing for technological advancement and allowed themselves to stagnate.
The Primus is an excellent example of this. When new, it was a formidable warship with few rivals, but most of those still in service are centuries old, and despite having been continuously upgraded over the years, they are no longer a match for newer designs fielded by other races and have something of a reputation for having a ‘glass jaw’. This is evidenced by the fact that the Babylon 5 station, which despite its weapons refit is still far from being a warship, was able to destroy a Primus without too much effort. We also see a Narn G’Quan class Heavy Cruiser destroy a Primus in a 1 on 1 fight, and we know that the Narn are not as advanced as the Centauri.
The Primus is essentially a ‘show the flag’ type vessel by the time of the show, used to project a sense of power and intimidate younger races, whilst most of the actual fighting is done by the Vorchan. I suspect that an Omega Class Destroyer would be able to go toe to toe with one and win, and the Warlock class Destroyer, with its twin Aegis class particle beams would likely make mincemeat of the Primus.
Probably the sentence "Lion of the Galaxy" is the translation onto English of the sentence, with the original sentence refering to an apex predator within Centaury Prime. Also, after the 2x10 retrofit B5 is said to be able to engage with a well-armew warship, and the Narn are using reverse-engineered Centauri tech, and they probably know the specs of the Primus well. I agree on the Vorchan doing most of the fighting.
@@podemosurss8316 B5 is my favourite sci-fi show, and it was very well written, but like most sci-fi it was never very consistent with what various ships and weapons were capable of, with this largely being dictated by the script. Some good examples of this are Earthforce Thundetbolts engaging and destroying Vorlon and Shadow fighters, which shouldn’t be possible, G’Quans going toe to toe with Primus class ships in one episode, stopping a Shadow Battlecrab dead with its particle lasers in another, but being dispatched in a few shots in almost every other episode, and my personal favourite, the Warlock class destroyer being suggested to be a true rival for the Sharlin Warcruiser, but then shown being destroyed by a single volley from a Vorchan in ‘The Lost Tails’
Despite all the above, pretty much every appearance of the Primus Class Battlecruiser ended with it being destroyed fairly easily. We saw that Vorchans handled almost all the ship to ship combat during the Narn war, and that the Primus rolled in at the end to glass the Narn homeworld, so I think the ‘Glass Jaw’ label is fair.
Cool video, hopefully we get to see some of these ships in the new B5 show!
A nice video presentation concerning the Centauri fleet. It will be interesting to see if there will be videos on the Mimbari fleet and since Andromeda was brought up previously it would be interesting to maybe see fleet info concerning the High Guard fleet as well as other fleets in various sci-fi properties.
Thanks was looking forward to a centari fleet video.
Centauri my Favorite race of the younger races. And Favorite ships in B5.
Yes. Me too.
The Vorchan Warship was inspired by a Jim Starlin illustration in either Dreadstar , Warlock, or Epic Illustrated magazine. The illustration featured the birds head front and the crescent wings in the same configuration. It's not the only time Jim Starlin's art has been featured in live action sci-fi dramas.
I used to have all the dreadstar books! Excellent reference! I wish I still had them😀
I have always pronounced the Primus class battlecruiser as Pr Eye mus. Basically because the word Primus evokes Prime and Pride.
Pry muhs
Primus is latin for "First" and "Main", in fact the word "Prime" (as well as "Primary" and so on) comes from this latin word. No actual relation with "Pride" as word.
Main issue with the Centauri fleet (until the Centauri Wars of Aggression) was massive underinvestment, it was the second most powerful fleet in the galaxy once however most of their ships were a century or more old and outdated allowing the Narn to win their war of independence. The Primus while large was a lot weaker armed than the other major races primary battleships and slow and un-maneuverable.
They weren’t slow or undergunned, but rather underarmoured. But otherwise I agree. They had become decadent and complacent. Hence the main driving force of Londo’s arc was his desire to bring back the glory days of the Republic.
Well I think the Emperor got soft and let the Narn free. It had nothing to do with Centauri fleet being outdated.
U.B., I'm glad you're able to produce more videos these days because I enjoy watching them. As Ambassador Londo Molari once said while drunk, "You're cute!" ✌🏻✌🏻 Edit: U.B., I would LOVE to see an exposé on the Narn. They are my favorite race. I would like to learn: 1. how they 1st encountered the Centari, 2. how they got conquered by the Centari, 3. what the Centari did to the Narn people and to the Narn homeworld during their occupation, 4. how the Narn eventually threw the Centari off when we 1st see the Narn in episode 1 of Babylon 5. Thanks 🙏🏻.
I have some videos going over a little bit of the narn/centuari conflict but in the next couple of month I need to create a video going over in more detail about their history. Thanks for the video idea.
I’d love to see a review of the Vree fleet.
Assuming you haven't done so already, the ships of the Shadows would be great. I'll go look at your library just in case.
so many vessels unknown to me. Centauri are definitely underused in series as for space scenes
Great presentation, I learned a lot from it. Can I give some advice? Try to slow down a bit, it got difficult to follow what you’re saying. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the feed back. 🖖
When you realize where Goa’uld death gliders and Cylon fighters have got their designs. For me Centauri were the favorite faction in B5 universe. I don’t know why.
No. Wait. Vorlons were actually my favorite. Centauri was favorite from the younger races.
Would like to see the Brakiri fleet covered.
It's funny how the Centauri nobles' hairstyles seem to resemble the sweeping wings of their starships. BTW: Some centauri ships resemble the ships of the Kilrathi Empire from the Wing Commander franchise.
vorchan is my fav b5 ship. Perfect pack hunter
Can you do 1 on the races, like culture , Anatomy, and wht the hair/ridges are there?
The huge ships with the mass drivers are the most scary!
I recall some centauri vorchan ships destroying whitestars while under shadow control
Drak control. It was after the Shadows had fled and the Drak had infiltrated the Republics hierarchy, and taken control of the Regent
Yes, evidence of just how dangerous they are when used effectively. I think the most terrifying use of a Vorchan is In The Beginning where one ambushes and obliterates an unprepared G'quan cruiser in a couple of seconds.
how about a detail break down of the ships of the Narn
Most races build ships to match the Primus, heck it pretty much set the benchmark of capital ship design. They also try to match the Centauri fighters, but nobody in the league can match the Vorchan.
In midweight ships the Centauri are kings. This allows them to range deep into enemy’s territory raiding and destroying at Will. Against bigger threats they can pick and choose their battles, picking off lone Capital ships or retreating if outmatched.
Very Interesting, most of you information came from Babylon 5 War, and it later versions. But Babylon 5 Wars was not the first space combat game for Babylon 5. The RPG Babylon Project had a space combat system, based on Ground Zero Games: Full Thrust system, in its first, and only, supplement. It only a a few ships for the major races, and ironically the Centari were only armed with Pulse weapons, and in Babylon 5 War the Centari are one of the few races not to use Pulse Weapons.
I really wanted to like Babylon Project, because I was playing Full Thrust when Babylon 5 first came on TV, and my group noticed how similar space combat in Babylon 5 was to Full Thrust.
You mentioned so many different weapons are there any videos explaining the differences
Do the Narn fleet next.
Brother could you do an in-depth review on the Vorlons 🤨, and just an idea maybe you could do a review on the starfighters of Stargate X302, The Dart, Ory Fiter 👌
I'll add it to the list 🖖
@@UtopianBroadcast1 No I was thinking don't just do a review do a comparison of all three against one another because loads of people have done reviews of these fighters
On other considerations, the Primus was scaled anywhere from 735 meters long (in the Mongoose RPG sources) to 1560.8 meters long (Into the Fire video game, cancelled) It's bare minimum is near 300 meters, scaled to Londo in the observation deck window, in 'The Long Twilight Struggle', but likely has to be bigger to include a proper hangar deck.
The Vorchan is around 2.5 times shorter, it seems, so from around 286 to 608 meters long. Depends on scale to Nial fighter too, when docked with one, in season 5.
Rutarian Strike Fighter kinda reminds me of a Daredevil from EVE online.
Love Babylon 5 is mine third favorite sci fi just subscribed do the Narn mine favorite race
That Primus is still scary looking.
I have never seen a Centauri ship use a beam weapon...can you tell me in what episode I can find these particle beams?
The Centauri fleet, performing Jeune École in space...
a question what is a missile pulse canon ? i can't imagine it its a missile or a canon ?
I need to find a list of which race is ranked where as for age and power. Like why are the Minbari strongest of the young? Are they older than the others? Just better at tech? And where does the new ships of Earth put them and so and so.
I also pronounce it pime-us ..as in the band Primus.
The Romulans would LOVE the Vorchon. Ok, 4 way fight, Centauri Fighter, vs Go’au’Uld Deathglider, vs Tauri F-302, vs Cylon fighter. Who wins?
how about Borg (startrek) vs Cyber Men (Dr Who)
My favorite race in terms of ship design. Most of the other races' ships are fairly fugly tbh.
The initial claim is false. It was only during the Regents war against the ISA that Centauri forces were split into defensive and offensive lines.
During the Narn Centauri War it was shown that the Centauri forces were not separated into two distinct forces in particular the decisive attack on Narn shows this.
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What if the marker from dead space came aboard Babylon 5
You missed the now canon Kutai gunship.
The Kutai dates back in 1997 when it was 3D sketched for the AoG book Atlas of the Narn-Centauri War. It was also one of the ships rendered and bitmapped for the Sierra Into the Fire game. Almost all of the ships that appear in the B5 movies and The Lost Tales are AoG ships. And they all look amazing on screen :)
@@brianwhedon8442 nice trivia on the Kutai’s origin. I didn’t know that. I thought it started with being a miniature game.
But the updated Vorchans (Liati in my head canon) and Valen(s) were movie original right?
All of the lead ships in Legend of the Rangers were originals. And the Valen and "advanced Vorchan" from The Lost Tales were also original. AoG was in the process of adding Legend of the Rangers to their game when WB cancelled the license. LotR was the last movie WB promoted but cancelled the B5 franchise a few months later. When WB cancelled the franchise they cancelled everything all at once
Video Idea: Protoss Carrier vs Venator-class Star Destroyer(Starcraft vs Star Wars)
The Protoss Carrier is unarmed so its basically the interceptors and their plasma bolts vs The Venator
@@dianavespid937 Protoss Carriers have with Purifier beams.
Nobleman Explicitly impossible to use in combat for one reason or another
"We are in a new era of warfare, khalai. The Koramund and the other carriers of its class are relics of a failed past. They are inefficient, weaponless juggernauts, depleting the fleet of valuable resources and personnel, putting good templar at needless risk."
StarCraft Short Story, Carrier (2013)
Would have thrown in a few engagement clips, even ones from Lost Tales episodes, rather than picture.
Did you already Cover the Minbari?
Even though I am a human, I *LOVE* Minbari Space Ships! 🤗
Not yet, but there will be one coming out soon
@@UtopianBroadcast1 NICE!
What is a ' battle laser'? Or a ' matter cannon '?
After all, if you get down to basics, a laser is a souped up flashlight. All you really have to do is provide enough power and coolant to keep the mirror from melting.
the Drakh had them build a new fleet while Londo Mollari ruled.
Military officer incompetence seem to exist anywhere. Make sure you don't have a barely functional commander or your lives and equipment are wasted.
Y lcars?
Good Video. But as Fan of the Narn i must admit that only a destroyed centauri ship is a good centauri ship :=)
How does the Narn taste like?
Like chicken 🍗
It means that the Primus should've been more of an opponent to Babylon 5.
Primus resembles a sting ray.
The Narn had the best method of dealing with Centauri. Area effect barrage weapons, mines, and missiles.
What's the source for this fluff?
Babylon 5 wars
Particle Cannon, Battle Lasers, Ion Cannon, Plasma Stream, Matter Cannons etc etc. Every sci fi show with space ships in it has them. Just words. Made up weapons that require a different coloured beam effect.
Better to call them: Red beam, yellow flickering beam, green short beam ;)
HA the Centauri made them self a Normandy :D
Are you sure about the reliability of your sources?
The White Star was 475.6 meter in length and the smallest known ship that could form it's own Jump Point. That length matches on screen appearances.
Other data also does not seem to match in comparison to other ships and used technology.
If your data is based on RPG's it might be a good idea to mention this in the title.
The thing is, the Liandra was made in the Human Minbari War and it was jump capable. I think JMS talks about this saying that Sheridan wasn’t aware of all the jump capable ships in the galaxy.
@@dianavespid937 True, but ships that are around as long as the Centauri Fleet? The Narn would have made sure to know the capabilities of every ship type. Just as anyone within reach of the Centauri would have. There would have been enough information to gather to figure that out.
Gray Scribe For the RPG lenghts I usually scale them up. Look at the G’Quan and the Primus, they are around 1/2.5 of their canon length. If you upsize Heavy Combat Vessels and Capital Ships, all of the jump capable ships are larger than the White Star. Kind of a convoluted retcon but it patches up that problem....until we encounter the Jumphawk Command Cruiser, of course. (Drazi have been in space for several hundred years, confirmed in the Hyach episode, so it isn’t THAT insane)
Also just a reminder, Babylon 5 Wars was old enough to be made before the scenes where the White Star got upsized to 475.6 meters and old enough to use the “200 meters Sharlin” screen of the first season.
@@dianavespid937 Like I said, mention it in the title or people might, rightfully so, think this is data from the show.
It's so weird that it's called a republic...
The Roman Empire remained a republic in name throughout its history
..controlled a big part of the universe? .. no..not even one galaxy..which is only one of many billions of galaxies in ..the universe.
Very interesting. Thank you.
I am a little disappointed in myself how much it bothers me when you make grammatical mistakes. Several times the subject and verb don't match, one being plural the other being singular. That should not bother me so much, but it does.
Hopefully you can have a lot of fun with the re-booted BABYLON 5.
Ah yes, the burden the English-minded must carry.
Centari on Starfury, "So simple, so elegant, so deadly.". Warlock one shotted a Vorchan.
Very similar to the british Empire , was the most advanced nation on earth 🌎 how much better would they have been , and more powerful , not just handing jobs down to their daughters new hubby etc
If I remember correctly, the Centauri weren't any good until they teamed up with the Shadows.
Then you don't remember correctly....The Centauri at the time of B5 were ruled by a pacifist Emperor, but prior to that they stomped and ruled over a very large swath of the Galaxy. Even during B5, they were so respected and feared that Sheridan himself said that Earth would be no match for the Centauri in a war. It was why Earth was desperate for the Centauri to intercede in the Earth/Minbari war. Earth knew that only the Centauri had the power to turn the tide, but when the Centauri said no, Earth begged for Centauri weapons instead.
In the lore it notes that younger races were known to underestimate the Centauri due to the age of their ships and the over-engineered ornateness of the fleet. It could be a very grave mistake. We see in the show that even White Stars can get absolutely chewed up and spat out by a wolfpack of Vorchans.
When we meet the Centauri before the Narn-Centauri war, they're undergoing a political reform, aimed at rehabilitating them as interstellar partners to the other races rather than feared conquerors. Their ships have lost none of their bite, but the navy has become risk averse and unwilling to take casualties (probably due to a lack of grit from their hereditary peer commanders). Over time the Centauri had become reluctant, even fearful to use their power.
Of course, then comes the death of reformist Emperor Turhan, Londo's deal with the Shadows and the war with Narn which scuppers the Centauri path towards the light. That's when their ugly, warlike side returns.
@@CountScarlioni Well said, and very astute assessment of the Interstellar political situation the Centuari Empire found itself in.
When you say "speed" I assume you mean "acceleration". There is no maximum speed in space (other than the speed of light).
Did we watch the same show. The centari are stagnant humanity caught up and surpassed them in under 100 years. Also if not for the shadows the Narens would of won there war.
That’s flat out wrong. After the attack that started the war the shadows only intervened at Gorash. The entire Narn strategy there was to buy time, they had lost to the Centauri, not to the shadows
Man, this is some supreme nerd shit right here. And I watched it. ugh.
They're visually interesting, and pretty decent art pieces. But they're absolutely garbage warships.
PLEASE STOP SAYING UNIVERSE. Babylon 5 takes place in the Milky Way Galaxy. The climax of the Shadow war has both the Vorlons and Shadows go beyond our galaxy into the void between galaxies. There is no reference (at least nothing significant) to any other galaxy let alone the greater Universe.
Please look up scifi universe or functional universe. It's a term to describe continuity, it's a very broad term. That's why people say in the star wars universe or marvel universe its referring to elements that occured in that fictional story.
@@UtopianBroadcast1 Yes I know but you weren’t saying “In the Babylon 5 Universe” you were just saying “in the Universe” and given that it’s a show set in space it would be easy for people not knowledgeable on the subject to conclude that it was a Universe spanning rather than Galaxy spanning setting.
5:45 you might want to do proper research next time you make a video, this version of the Vorchan Attack Cruiser, is the one used in the entire B5 series and it's 608m long. I don't know where you have been getting your info, but maybe go the official sources released with the show next time. In case you were not aware, they released an official CD-ROM with all the technical information about the ships shown in the show.
Babylon 5 wars is only a licenced product and not official cannon. They created many things that were not from JMS and did not exist in his lore because they needed the models for their war game.
I was going to switch this video off when you started using the term "in the universe"!!! This shows a complete lack of understanding of space!!! Babylon 5 is set within the Milky Way galaxy. The scale of Centauri Imperial expansion occurred within our galaxy. To apply this to an entire universe is non sensical and shows utter ignorance!!!
Not even the Milky Way really. The whole scope of B5 takes place in a fairly small pizza slice of the Galaxy. What lies in the Milky Way beyond the jump gate network is basically unknown.
I try to give him the benefit of the doubt. Older sci-fi movies and shows tended to use Galaxy and Universe interchangeably, with the scales between the two not being all the common knowledge or because it sounded cool. That has filtered down to modern times, though becoming less and less common.
* known galaxy