Cummins Hydrogen Engine Will KILL DIESELS FOREVER
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2024
- While all of this is very interesting and exciting, we likely won't be seeing either the 6.7L or 15L hydrogen engines enter production for quite a while. As per Cummins, the 15L engine will enter full production in 2027 and the 6.7L should be as soon as 2023.
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Will diesels stay around for much longer?
Yes, the Diesel is not dead according to the websites.
Until EV and Hydrogen range catches up, the diesel industry woll always have a place im commercial shipping.
I can see a temporary phase out of fossil fuels in 2030 or so but fossil fuels would probably make a huge comeback very soon after.
Yes. You can't beat the power of a diesel.
Also, do a video on the Ford V8 4.6
It's still a diesel. It just burns hydrogen. Even the first diesel engines didn't burn diesel fuel. They burned peanut oil
Wonder if they had pleasant smelling exhausts
@@thejosh0100 I assume. If you burn waste oil from McDonald's it smells like french fries, I've been told, so I assume peanut oil smells like peanuts
As long as it’s based off Rudolph diesels compression ignition. If it’s not Compression ignition then it’s not a diesel.
@@Amigafur it's called the Diesel Cycle.
You're right they burned all kinds of stuff back in the day including kerosene
I am an engineer developing engines in Japan.
Cummins' strategy versatility and speed of development amazes me.
Im hoping Porsches investments into biofuel are advancing with the upmost of speed and progress
Thanks for your comment, Tony.
Biofuels are a viable option, but food politics and poor chemical stability may be a problem.
I think that various alternative fuels for diesel engines should be researched. Hydrogen, e-fuel, NH3, etc.
Toyota has the hydrogen vehicle that runs on Bull Sh@t that is not talked about enough.
Toyotas hydrogen engine is just a step in progress through a prototype. No need to harshly criticize it.
@@tony_5156 biofuel is another ponzi scheme to help out mega agricorp like monsanto. anytime you grow food for fuel its a total waste.
hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe.
This is an amazing video, and the first I've seen outside of the company. I work for Cummins Jamestown Engine Plant in NY. This is where all heavy duty engines for semis and heavy machinery are made. I'm the assistant manager for the Engine Testing team. I won't say much, as I'd like to keep my job, but the first two versions of this Engine were build at the end of 2022 and just entered the testing phase by our engineering team. It's been an amazing process to watch and be a part of and it keeps our future as a company bright and innovative!
Can you fix the Def treatment breakdowns that occur far too often?
I like Cummins, but I'll get a Detroit if they can't get serious.
Fake
@@johncuervo3019 Alrigh John, no more tequila for you.
Now spit that worm out, & go have a sandwich....
@@nostradamus7648 that should be under warranty if you're having an issue.
awesome!
As a diesel pickup mechanic, personally, I love the Cummins engine (the 6.7 and 5.9 are my bread and butter), and I'm glad they're attempting to keep the basic build of it the same. Pretty innovative. That being said, I wonder how all of these changes will translate down to us techs. Will there be a huge learning curve? Will it put us out of business? Or will it be simple enough and subtle enough to let us adapt? I guess only time will tell...
Pretty sure it would keep you in business. I doubt the learning curve would be large considering fundamentally it still functions like a gas engine. If I were to guess I’d say the learning curve would be a bit steeper than when fuel injection came out.
One thing I'm worried about... Is the question of will it kill our jobs, or give us a hell of a lot more complications to work with 🤣 may be job security.
Diesels are better suited for hydrogen fuel than a gas based design.as one commenter mentioned,the first diesel ran on peanut oil and can run on damn near everything that's combustible.
gas engines convert just as easy
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@@MarkAlanKing no not even close gas engines aren't anywhere near as strong they tried it with the gm's 350 engines and a bunch of others because who knew you'd crack heads and destroy a crank or block from compression alone most factory gas engines have anywhere from 8.5:1-10.5:1 compression ratios most diesels have 14-20+ the webbing in the castings of a gas engines main component's let alone everything else isn't designed for anything diesel like and are way more prone to detonation to to the fuel temperatures being extremely higher then the gas counterpart the list goes on
@@in-rust-we-trust2831 work just fine and inventors have lost their lives over it
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I’m all for them developing new technology however whatever preforms the best with the most reliability is naturally going to rise to the top.
Not if the government has something to say about it! 😂
@@jmreg7391 the government works for industry owners
@@lunatik9696 That’s what I try to tell folks. This EV pony show is more about lining certain people’s pockets than saving the planet. We’re obviously beyond the point of being able to do anything meaningful to save the environment and stop global warming. No turning back now but by golly let’s make Elon Musk richer in our last 100 years.
Agree let the energy roll what ever it is let the people decide on what they want elec for the city folks 200 mile radius those upper mid west need all forms same w across the top of our USA solar where the sun shines gas wher that is along the coast oil we need that for plastics vinyl flooring ect ect I think the hybrid technology is the way for know like Cali if all electric but u can’t supply that demand know what blackouts ?
@@jmreg7391 it’s the people that are saying by the number of deaths due to vehicle pollution which is massive 😮
Nuclear power plants would be perfect to generate hydrogen. On the other hand, a hybrid vehicle like the Preus, just scaled up, would allow a smaller engine to run a larger vehicle efficiently. The stored energy in the battery would kick in much like a turbo does today and would give the boost needed to accelerate.
I've been doing research in photovoltaic gas generation and ideas have been created since 1972. It's really awesome you're doing applications today if you're into this as well you're upon my favorites list.
The biggest issue H2 vs EV is charge time. You do not want your drivers down for 1-6 hours while waiting for a battery to charge. That freight has to move. Hydrogen whether in a ICE or Electric fuel cell only takes 5 -10 to fill up.
5 to 10 what , days , weeks, hours
Decades
Seconds..No I would imagine it's minutes.I will never buy a bumper car.( dodgems)
@@royalcrowntowing2464 Sorry Minutes :)
This problem has already been solved by the Nissan Leaf . A Tokyo taxi company installed an automated battery charger to change their batteries in about the same time it takes you to fill a tank of gas..
Modular batteries - 'T size ' , as in Truck..
This makes more sense than dual fuel design. At least the top end is replaced to accommodate higher operating temps.
I love my 2012 6.7 Cummins but I deleted from turbo back for exhaust, did a EGR delete , new high flow air filter and bully dog programmer and no bigger than 34” rubber . I went from 800 kms a tank to 1200 kms a tank fuel mileage. Amazing engine.
If you're from Michigan I would keep that information to your self they are coming down hard on diesel delete and other devices
Impressive video. I definitely will research this more. Their plan also helps from having to restructure entire parts support systems currently in place. There is a balance that definitely needs to be achieved.
I found it biased.
Going to talk about infrastructure for electric vehicles, but not hydrogen...
Seriously there is like zero hydrogen infrastructure.
I want both to succeed yet there are really no benefits of hydrogen especially as battery technology continues to get better.
Storing it is the biggest issue. It takes too much volume. Real Engineering did a perfect episode on how hydrogen takes so much space that it literally makes little sense.
It doesn't give more power. It takes too much space. Requires incredibly low pressure and tempatures to make it even close to not taking enough space.
Costs electricity to create.
Where are the benefits outside of novelty? There are better ways to do things.
Unless we make some real break throughs in generating it. Like a mobile hydrogen generator that you can use anywhere there is water that is powered by the sun? It makes legit no sense.
Someone needs to help me. What am I missing?
We need hemp bio fuel for diesel trucks. I know it sounds crazy but it would be the simplest way to resolve this epa stuff. Hemp is a super productive plant and produces 10 times more bio fuel than corn per square ft. Hemp is the way of the future.
And where will you grow all this hemp ? People are building crappy sub-divisions all over farm land.
@@mattywho8485 So corn farmers, wheat, farmers, soy bean farmers can switch over if they want. There’s plenty of agricultural land still available in the us.
@@mattywho8485if there’s a market for hemp lots of people will grow it, I saw rural Nevada explode with hemp farms after the act legalizing them was passed, everyone and their dog started growing hemp, however the next season it all disappeared because there wasn’t a market for the hemp.
Nuke powerplants and hydro powerplants run clean and are begining to produce hydrogen as well. It'll be interesting to see where this goes.
Why would they loose 40% of their power trough electrolysis to make hydrogen when they can sell their power directly. How cheap is hydrogen going to be if customer have to pay for all that loss?
@@TJPDmember The Japanese are using nuke power to super heat water to separate it into hydrogen and oxygen.
nuclear power plants produce tonnes of hydrogen when they melt down, I hear the russians had shitloads in 1986 and the Japanese still have heaps LMAO
@@TJPDmember power plants make excess a lot of the time, they need to maintain a base load, previous designs have seen them have to bleed off the power, this would mean they can use that spare base load power to generate hydrogen at almost no cost to them...
While Nuke power is clean (basically a STEAM generator), its byproducts are the problem. Nuclear waste is difficult to handle, COSTLY to dispose of, and then there are those 'PESKY' security problems because TERRORISTS want to gettheir hands on radioactive ANYTHING... and then there is the POLITICS and RED TAPE. Remember, our government is here to help us. ;-}
Here in Britain, JCB has pioneered the zero-NOx emission H2 piston engine which it plans to launch in its range of earthmovers and tractors later in 2023.😀
Yes JCB should get more publicity for the vehicles they have converted to hydrogen.
JCB in the UK is also working on Hydrogen engines, and doing very well with it, they have a couple of prototype machines working already.
#1) you did an incredible job on speaking and information.
#2) very informative, I had no idea this was even happening so thank you for creating this video.
#3)I'd like to see how this will be used for farming. If it could/ would be done how cost effective it will be for farmers.
#4) how much would it cost for consumers in purchasing one.
Honestly it's not a bad idea, be somewhat like old steam powered vehicles. OK not the same exactly but afa use of hydro.
Would love to see them develope kits to update/upgrade smaller diesels.
Incredibly good job explaining what I knew nothing about.
2027 heavy duty diesel engines in North America will have either dual SCR, dual dosers or a second higher voltage alternator on the engine and electric coils in the after treatment to keep the catalysts hot(efficient).
When my father was a kid, he was born in the year of 1916. He reminded telling me very well that 1/2 the trucks were electric. In Chicago growing up in the 1920s.
Gas and oil corps using they’re corruption quickly squashed that
we need to go to multifuel engines, they have been around for a long time for the military, it has been quite odd that they haven't seen more use for road vehicles... (I have heard about reliability issues, but those can be worked through, especially if they were to get wider use)
Multifuel engines are not efficient! They're multifuel because there may not be a certain fuel avalible and the supplies need to flow!
Cummins Rio Grande engines are natural gas versions of existing diesels with lower compression ratio and spark ignition. They are certainly not new, I bought two of them to efficiently drive refrigeration compressors back in the 1970's. They were not a new idea back then though our energy conserving refrigeration application was ahead of its time. These stout engines could have been adaptable for use with any flammable gas.
A friend of Mike works for a electric company he said theyvdid a study and found it would take 30 years to improve the grid enough for everyone to drive a electric car
Heard same thing from well read construction project manager. He too said 30 years. Must be something they can calculate to the year.
DANG!
I'd bet a large sum of money that it would take at least 45-50 years.
Ask anyone in the Biden regime. Tomorrow is the date they would use 👿
Actually this is not true. I replaced my 20 KW electric furnace with a 4 KW heat pump. So with that savings, I can plug in my electric car. If you just reduce your HVAC use by a little bit, you can have a net savings on your electric bill each month.
Anyone who has owned and plugged in a home charger for their EV knows how in-expensive they are to run them.
The electric company energy planners in the 1970's and 1980's had a difficult time with the new portable window A/C units that all tend to run noon to 7 pm every day. That gave them a headache. Overnight power at 9.6 KW for a EV charger is no problem at all! And in 3-4 hours, you can fully charge your car or pickup at home.
The Ford F-150 uses about the most power per mile, at about 2-3 miles per KW of power. Well the Hummer EV is a little more power. So lets say you drive 30 miles a day, and need to put in 10 KW to your F-150. Or 90 miles and need to put in 30 KW. That will take 1-3 hours with a 9.6 KW charger that draws about 32 amps at 240 volts. Your air conditioner uses about 1/2 that amount of power, so it really is not that much stress on the grid system, considering you only need to charge overnight, when demand is low. And you would typically run the A/C more than 3 hours on a hot day.
A Tesla car is about 4 miles per KW of power. So driving even 100 miles in one day, that would be 25 KW or about 5 hours with a 5 KW charger between midnight and 5 am. That would be about 20 amps X 240 volts. Or about what a 1970's 2 ton air conditioner would use. But you would typically use the air conditioner more than 5 hours per day, and mostly between noon and 9 pm, when others are also using a peak amount of power.
I’ve always wondered why trucks are set up like locomotives with a diesel engine running a generator that drives an electric motor. This has worked for a long time for trains and I don’t see why it wouldn’t work for trucks. A smaller diesel running at a mostly constant speed would likely be easier to tune to meet emissions standards and use much less fuel when the truck is idling to keep the driver comfortable while sleeping.
Don't know where you get your information, most trucks have standard transmissions (8 to 18 speed) that get power to the ground via the drive line(s).
Or did you mean are not set up?
Most companies install APUs (auxiliary power units). These are small diesel engines that provide heat, AC and electrical power so the driver does not need to idle the truck to be comfortable.
Look at the size and fuel consumption of a locomotive, yes i know a tractor and trailer are much smaller, but the combined weight of the components would probably leave little left for freight, which would increase the number of those trucks required to haul the same amount of freight, increase the number of tires for those trucks, and fuel for them, and increase shipping costs as well. Probably erasing any advantage
Too heavy. Payload pays. Dead weight does not.
VERY interesting!! As retired truck-driver, I miss my Com-a-long!! I been thinking about upping to Dodge 2500/3500 for nostalgia/side jobs. TY!!
Like you, I've made on board hydrogen producing systems for gasoline engines. Electrical production is fast short of adequate to be effective. Using chemical production, burning aluminum, created enough hydrogen to increase a 2003 5.3 Suburbans highway mileage to 28 MPG. THE emission numbers were nearly clean water. Had l bypassed the 02 sensors, via installing 4.9 ohm resistors in their place, l could have attained another 4 mpg. It was a caustic and messy application, not worth the effort at least to me. Great video by the way.
Seems difficult to replace the available energy density of diesel fuel.
Pneumatics
If pressurized Hydrogen is half as dense that is not a big deal.
@@gregkramer5588 explain your thought
It is but it has to happen
It is not as big of a deal as you are imagining. You simply need larger tanks to make up for the volume. Other issues are a bigger deal like hydrogen embrittlement, producing green hydrogen and a non existent transport system. All solvable problems with current technology. What we are missing is the will to do it. To many other competing interest.
The question about the flammability of hydrogen (remember the Hindenburg ?) was solved by storing the hydrogen in a compound called "hydrides" in a fuel tank that bullets were fired into & "it didn't explode". At least that is what I remember reading back in 1973. I remember several years ago seeing a picture of , I think it was the CEO of Daimler Benz, driving a hydrogen fueled car.
Metal hydrides are excellent, but heavy...so far.
You could also use carbon fiber composites, prepreg, and that is also bullet proof. Combined with sealant, leakage and danger of explosion are eliminated.
most car companies have the tech , you can get an RX8 with a hydride cell in the boot lid , only has a range of about 50Km but . they have tested carbon fiber pressure tanks with bullets not sure about hydride cells . The Hindenburg did not burn due to hyrogen , that all did its thing and went UP ,VERY fast . The fire was aluminium metal oxide paint and static discharge mixxing far to well . Human injuries were from falling ,and haveing burning debris rain down ,not any burning gas . The fuel manoploy loves to scare people form researching H ,and HHO with 'remember the hindenburg ', the Titanic sank [ was blown up ] yet we still use ships , risks in most things .[ especially trying to stop th eJPMorgans of this world steal the global finacial banking system ].
@@jordansamhuri You say that, but can you provide an example of anyone who does this? I would love to see it.
As if other fuels aren't explosive in a tank 😒.
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We've been using electric digging machines etc here in Norway for a while.
They excavated earth from underneath the local mall last year using one.
Being electric it could operate inside *while* the mall was open and drive past customers etc.
Can do the same with a fuel cell.
Great video. Hope to convert my older 94 diesel engines to h & d mixed solution 😊
It will be interesting to see how Cummins leverages what was learned on its military contract, using Achates Diesel technology, as they evolve to meet emissions requirements.
Oh but the military stuff doesn't care about emissions
Eh, I wouldn't worry too much. Cummins has experimented with "alternative fuel" engine conversions for on highway before. Their CNG ISLG and ISX12G have been HORRIBLY plagued with nonstop problems since day 1 and still have not been properly corrected. Same with their ISX15 engine that ran on LNG as a partnership with Westport.
The problem with the CNG engines is their spark ignition system. That is their primary issue, secondary issue is the problem of them having condensation in the crankcase, which can cause many oil lubrication issues down the road.
The City of Long Beach California has been running over 100 of the CNG diesel engines that run on 90% CNG for most of they day, when they run out of CNG, they switch back to 100% diesel fuel. They are started with both glow plugs and diesel fuel and run on the diesel principal, without spark plugs and run at 20:1 compression with a turbocharger. They run them in the garbage trucks, sweepers, and other heavy duty class 7 and 8 trucks.
They have been pretty much trouble free, and tend to run longer between in frame overhauls than the full 100% diesel trucks. The exhaust is very clean! The cost to run on CNG is about 1/2 of the cost to run on full diesel fuel. It takes about 40 gallon of diesel per month, and daily filling of the CNG tanks. They used to use about 50 gallons of diesel fuel each day!
Good Presentation: No wasted time or distraction.
Wonder what fuel/air ratio is for this size engine to develop horsepower ? What would vapor pressure on tank be ?
I can hardly wait until these governments band together to make the most abundant element in the universe the most expensive
Will you make your own hydrogen with your electrolysis machine?
@@A92_ I don't currently have a need to capture or utilize hydrogen
Keep your 12 valve nice, will be worth a fortune soon
I keeping my 8v92 2 stroke turbo and just bough 6 gallons of BRP XD-100 2 stroke oil to keep going. Thanks
this makes a lot more sense than fuel cells using hydrogen. multiple fuels is a great idea. and depending on your local laws this extends diesel use indefinitely. i was shocked at how quickly diesel cars go shut down when they started getting really great mileage and super comparable performance. was VW a set up?
A guy was at a conference where the EPA chose the DEF over other cheaper, cleaner systems. He asked a EPA official why, EPA replied, "You don't get it, we're making diesels so expensive, they won't be an attractive option." So, going to hydrogen is a logical option in this context.
Japan is definitely leading the way. Watched a video about their new nuclear plants being built,that are cooled with helium. All the new plants have hydrogen production plants built right next to them.
That's because they have no space to waste on their land. So everything they do needs to be well thought out. Kinda sucks but incredibly impressive.
You do realize that Helium is a scarce source....Mostly comes from oil wells....
@@regdor8187 ha ha yep 👍 ironic
Nuclear power plants do not just turn on and off. They often produce excess power that is just wasted. So they use the excess power to produce hydrogen. I believe we must embrace nuclear power as a true non carbon based source of energy for the future.
Nuclear reactors also produce helium as radiation
Yeah, will this bolt into my '66 Chevelle :)...? Great work here. I believe the Hydrogen Paste or Hydrogen Cassettes they are developing is next to break for the Hydrogen to take off. I guess it will be a Sony Beta-Max thing vs. VHS kind of a thing. My best, again, great job here.
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What about the opposed piston Acahates that Cummins is building for the military? Would love to get one of these in my 2500HD.
Why are you changing the valve cover gaskets at every valve checks, I have an R NineT and have checked the valves 4 times and never replaced the gaskets and haven’t had a single leak?
Cummins class 8 engines can also run on natural gas. I have worked on a few and they are cool.
They have been using these engines in the oilfield for years. Not new technology for sure. Ask any oilfield pumper or tech.
There is an english heavy diesel company that already has begun phasing in hydrogen power plants as batteries are too heavy overall to supply the energy needed. They are also building out a full vertically integrated system. Machine+Fuel depot+Hydrogen delivery.
Are you referring to JCB?
To produce hydrogen at scale you need a hydrogen reformer. They make hydrogen through cracking water, which takes a lot of energy usually comes from natural gas still feasible. But converting one energy source to another energy source is insane.
JCB in the UK has Hydrogen engines, converted from the diesel engines. Have a look at their website. They are about to display these excavators in the USA.
solid state hydrogen storage is already in development. i cant see how using the most abundant element as fuel is wrong.
Have no problem with things that actually work and are cost-effective.
I could care less what fuel my car/truck burns, as long as its still got an ICE Motor. Doesnt matter what its burning, you still have an Internal Combustion Engine to toy with. A 2030 3500 Hydrogen definitely sounds alot cooler than an electric truck, and it'll still make sweet sweet boost noises 😂. Hydrogen replacing gas/Deisel might save ICE cars.
Check out this video. ua-cam.com/video/KhtWiK9A4ww/v-deo.html
That’s a healthy outlook! Couldn’t agree more
Or syn gas and syn diesel aka carbon neutral fuels
Agreed. You can't get rid of that rumble of thousands of explosions happening in front of your feet. It's un american
Ev’s have been out long enough now that it’s time to replace that $20-$30,000 battery and people are starting to get UNWOKE!
In a straight comparison between diesel, lng, and hydrogen, what is the mpg differences.?
It will actually depend on which technology will be the first to meet demands in cost, range and infrastructure. I myself believe on near future there will be a cheaper solution for batteries with lower cost and longer range as many companies are heavily investing on.
Actually one of the biggest obstacles for EV trucks is weight. The batteries for an EV truck weigh several tons, and that's several tons you can't carry as cash making payload as they're included in the all up weight restrictions.
Cummins is going to do anything to keep themselves relevant within regulations in the US. They build some of the best diesel engines around, but if the regulations don’t allow diesel engines, they have to adapt or they will disappear. Personally, I believe things will come back around to square 1 with biodiesel panning to the top. But either way, owning an excavation/land clearing business running stuff like my Fecon dedicated forestry mulcher, I don’t see how they can beat a diesel engine’s performance across the board any time in the near future with electric. I wouldn’t buy something that’s limiting us to running it for 8 hours max before charging, or something that will lose run time because it is cold. People like me are who the industrial engine manufacturers have to please.
diesel gen-sets (using hydrogen) have been shown to be optimal efficiency wise as much as 20 years ago
What about electric generating hubs for the long range electric trucks or even cars. If you know anything about these type of plat forms could you give information on them. I am a siesel tech and also have the 5.9 plat form. I would like to know what i have to look for in the next 5 or 6 years for work and play. Any ideas?
Excellent video explanation. Heavy haulage, construction and transport are investing in hydrogen ICE and fuel cell technology. However they are also looking at ammonia, has a transportation system for the hydrogen, which is been considered for aircraft and marine engines.Ammonia would simply fuel storage.
I was hoping you would cover Toyota's new hydrogen storage tanks. Very impressive. Tanks Had to be shot with a 50-caliber rifle at close range, TWICE, in the same spot before they failed. The failure was just a hole! No massive explosion. Incredible
Share a link?
Right, we're these t anks full or empty? Guessing empty due to safety concerns, I'd have to see it to swallow that pill
I wasn't questioning it's legitimacy, I want more information.. considering I have seen the abuse demolition ranch has put standard welding gas tanks through, I'm not saying it's not possible or even likely.. I just wanna see jt
This might be the video he is referencing - ua-cam.com/video/jVeagFmmwA0/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ToyotaUSA
@@jasonsimons4411 I'm looking for the video I saw it on. I'll post if I can find it.
If they could make a 2 stroke Detroit or a cat 3406 or even a older powerstroke run off of hydrogen that would be neat, I wonder if there will be conversion kits for older engines.
you will never see a 2 stroke hydrogen engine, if you understand how two stroke engines induction system works and how hydrogen behaves you would know its impossible
Lubrication would be a problem, at least
@@MrLinkiscute and the fact that hydrogen in its gaseous form would escape the induction system used in two stroke engines and therefore not allow it to run
@@fluchtigziege3202 two strike gasoline engines don’t have that problem. Why would hydrogen be any different in a two stroke. You’re burning vapor in both scenarios.
@@boomerang379 Hydrogen isn't an atomized vapor, it's a literal gas unless you cool it by storing it contained at a temperature of -252.87*C. As soon as it is released into an atmosphere greater than 1 bar, it will change state back into gas even refrigerated.
Thank you for this exelent explations
UPS has been testing LNG for long haul applications since 2013 with moderate success. The best use is 'turns' wherein the tractor is dispatched to point B and returns to point A, where there is available LNG. These were powered by Cummins in a Freightliner chassis. It's interesting to note that Cummins terminated its partnership with Westport to develop this technology using LNG several years ago, and just last week, Volvo announced a partnership with Westport to develop the application using liquid hydrogen-- so it seems to me that the technology to adapt to hydrogen should be very similar to an application with LNG. In both cases, waste heat from the engine is used to return the LH to a gaseous state; at that point it can be precisely metered and injected into the cylinder for combustion. Both fuels demonstrate extremely low NOX emissions-- both exceed CARB standards at the present but that doesn't mean that they are cheap. The difference, in my view: all you have to do is uncap our gas wells, remove the water and the sulfur from the methane, compress it and it's ready for use. It's easily distributed by truck and pipeline.
I made my own hydrogen generator and it works perfectly. I'm about to incorporate it into my trucks system
Locomotive style propulsion wasn't covered. IE. electric motors to drive the wheels along with regenerative braking. But it is how the current is made that makes all the difference. It could be an H2 cummins engine driving a 3-phase generator with small lith-ion batteries or capacitors for intermediate storage. We could even from that get to micro nuclear power plants, but that won't happen until the marine sector gets there first, then maybe locomotives, then down to long-haul big rigs
Like our current hybrid cars?
Hydroelectric vehicle
You posted an image in your video on emissions... and it was listing oxides of nitrogen. Which doesn't change when you switch to hydrogen.
My biggest question is how the hydrogen would be delivered to the cylinders. If it simply goes through the intake, it would probably ignite too early, and without any ignition control. But also, could an injector deliver enough hydrogen to properly power the engine? My best guess is that it would use diesel for hills and basic acceleration, then switch to hydrogen when cruising at speed.
Like gasoline, they put it through fuel injectors
So…someone tell me where I’m wrong here, please (just thinking in the event of an accident and subsequent fire)…so diesel’s not that flammable, and gas is pretty flammable but not that hard to put out when it starts burning…when electric vehicles catch fire, they’re exceptionally challenging to put out once the battery cells have started burning, and hydrogen? I don’t know about you, but to me, 200 gallons of liquid hydrogen sitting in the fuel tanks of a semi sounds like one fender bender away from a massive explosion that kills everyone within 300 yards.
Batteries kind of smolder. Redivivus is a battery recycling company that has a solution to EVs catching on fire. It is not as bad as you think. Hydrogen in the other hand, is worse than natural gas when it comes to explosions. I would be surprised to see hydrogen go main stream.
Thank you! All cool and fun until things go wrong. Same with nuclear energy.
About time! About 18 years ago while getting a behind the scenes tour of a BMW factory I had an in-depth one on one conversation with a BMW r&d engineer and he was hard on the idea purely EV's are nothing more than bridge-technology and cars will not advance till we go hydrogen ICE and hydrogen fuel cell electric. I agreed wholeheartedly and still do and voila! The vehicle and powertrain manufacturers are coming out onboard here too!
No, they're not. These experimental hydrogen engines are for optics and greenwashing (as are all green hydrogen pilot projects). Conveniently, nobody ever mentions green hydrogen's biggest problem. Unfortunately, it's the elephant in the room that nobody thinks about but makes ubiquitous green hydrogen engines and fuel cells a nonsense.
People seem to be forgetting about blue hydrogen. It’s being worked on here in Alberta, basically, hydrogen from natural gas where the carbon emissions are captured such that it is net zero. Much cheaper and less energy intensive to produce than hydrogen from electrolysis.
We hear so much about diesel conversion to hydrogen, does hydrogen ignite in a compression ignition engine or does it need spark plugs and what about compression ratio? Thanks for any info, lots of people are curious about that over here in England.
Cummins are still selling new what you Americans call the ‘big cam’ engines. Worked on a few new build ships recently with brand new Cummins kt19’s and kta 50’s on them. Still current still working.
The big cam is still produced? Where is it even legal?
@@justinmartin8887 yes still fitting them in ships
There are thousands and thousands of cummins KTA19GC out there in the oil fields
Great video, didn't know Cummins was developing such an engine, thanks! As I understand, the benefit of using hydrogen instead of electricity directly for powering vehicles in some cases comes from the ease of large scale storage, it is easier to store hydrogen than electricity in large quantities. (For example, pumping water up hill into dam lake, to later make electricity from it with turbines). The hydrogen would mostly be produced via electrolysis when there would be an abundance of renewable electricity, for instance, a very windy and warm day.
they are not developing nothing they have had these engines for decades and they use these engines in the underground cities the so called elites built
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@@jjoshua69 yep people are so gullible these days ..... minds of children .......
Yeah When renewable energy is available. They cant even recharge the cars.
@@tomoconnor7528 Why can't they recharge their cars? If they had solar panels at their house they could charge them at home.
Here in the UK JCB have been working, developing and testing hydrogen Engines in their plant machinery, with good results. 👏👏
I watched the technical discussion from cummins themselves. They are not planning on using liquid hydrogen for the time being as it is just not available enough. They are going to store it as a gas at either 300 or 700 bar. The 700 bar is more energy dense, but also more expensive. So they will decide later which to use depending on what fuel stations develop more quickly
I think I will be buying the Cummins X15 Natural gas engine when it comes out
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@@jjoshua69 Amazing
I would also beware of electric vehicles for multiple reasons. Lack of power, in winter your batteries will definitely die much faster and leave you screwed, I doubt you can jumpstart one etc.
No Jumpstart, has to be towed, or charged, if that is what you meant by "Jumpstart".
Lack of power? Electric is way more powerful/efficient. That is why locomotives, mine trucks and most boats are powered by electric motors. Most fork trucks are electric, because of reliability, quietness and power to move/shift loads. ICE only took off in the early 1900's because fuel was cheap, not because of power.
@@toddtheisen8386 If that's the case then why do diesel forklifts exist? Why are there no electric cargo ships. Why are there propane forklifts? Also mining the battery materials like lithium is pretty damn dangerous due to toxicity. There's not enough material to go fully electric and you can ot recycle even a quarter of any green energy materials. And if electric vehicles are so good, then why are they not cheaper? If people really cared about the environment then they can make them cheaper.
@@HeLpEr4u083 Cargo ships are driven by electric motors. The engines on board rotate generators, not props. That's my point. Electricity is used for most steady state or high horsepower demands. Not about cheaper. Electric is just more powerful and controllable. Which is why Formula 1 cars are hybrids now.
@@toddtheisen8386 Well I stand somewhat corrected with cargo ships however, battery power is used at lower throttle and the diesel engines are used at higher throttle.
The hybrid hydrogen ice is probably the future of heavy trucks and machinery using a smaller battery would compliment the hydrogen ice such as full electric when coasting or stationary and both systems operating on max power and regenerative braking, full electric heavy trucks will not be possible due to the weight and bulk of the batteries along with the short range and the cost associated using a conventional engine is by far the cheapest and quickest option
Thank you. Great video. LOVE giant diesel trucks and engines; I-6 I-16 and Cummins Ram pickups (wish the doorhandles, window clicker, ac, heater core, suspension et al worked as well as the Aissen and I-6 combo. -and I love trains. Cars: people drive like maniacs and text and drive like nuts weaving between trucks.
The one issue I have with hydrogen is that it burns too easily. With the amount of wrecks on the road, a little spilled fuel here and there or a small fire happens. How likely are these tanks or cells to explode if involved in a wreck? That's my main concern
You're right, hydrogen is EXTREMELY, EXPLOSIVELY volatile. Which is why so much work has been put into making safe tanks for it. Currently there are lozenge shaped carbon fiber bottle tanks that can withstand anything short of a nuclear blast. But they are expensive. So the current challenge isn't making a safe tank, it's how to make an affordable safe tank.
@@itsmatt2105 and there lies the other problem. Expense. What's good isn't cheap, and what's cheap isn't good. If we use the economies of scale approach, there has to be sufficient demand in order to help make cost go down. If the cost is too high, the demand won't be there. Unless it's mandated by law that this style of tank is to be used, truck manufacturers are going to cobble together what they deem sufficient. I don't know if you've been in a class 8 truck lately, but they aren't exactly built to the highest standards. I see this flopping like CNG did
@@meatball1324657980 I'm not cool enough for the new stuff, all my trucks are old. I figure if it made it this far and didn't break (too much) it'll probably continue not breaking for another little while. I'm rather ambivalent about the fuel source at this point. I want to see cleaner burning, more efficient engines but so far there's not a clear front runner as far as which will be the best horse to back. All have strengths and weaknesses. Lots of big companies full of people with way more knowledge about the various tech than I have are heavily backing every new technology type out there. If they with all their insider information can't predict a clear winner, I don't have a prayer.
Whilst hydrogen burns easily, it doesn't pool except if the leak is in an airtight container. Hydrogen is very happy to escape from any enclosed space. If it is not in stoichimetric ratio with O2, it will not explode. The worst case is likely to be a flame from leaking hydrogen from a high pressure tank. Unlike petrol fumes it does not pool and then explode.
the h2 tanks are 100x safer than your standard fuel tank and you don't have to worry about electricity fires from EVs, which is even more dangerous. The main concern is production, storage, infrastructure.
My personal thoughts are that the fuels will get cleaner and the batteries will get better to the point where we have true anti-idle that is electric and fuels that are clean enough that no after-treatment is required. Regenerative braking instead of a Jake brake is also interesting. And conversely an electric boost when starting from a stop and accelerating.
Fuels may get better, but making batteries CLEANER, will be quite the challenge.
They have been making a trailer wheel set with a 200 KW motor and a 200 KW battery on the trailer for years. They help with regenerative braking to charge the battery pack, and then use a throttle position sensor to help when getting on the freeway or going up a hill. They are said to reduce diesel use by 13%. The system could also be used on a electric semi, and could be plug in hybrid system, instead of just charging with regenerative braking.
I don't think hydrogen will be the replacement for diesel trucks. Maybe a gas engine conversion would work, (3.5L running on hydrogen and putting out about 250 - 350 HP) as a low weight alternative to the traditional diesel engine as a type of range extender. It would allow a semi to have a low cost and lower weight 200 KW battery pack, with perhaps another 200 KW battery on the trailer.
@@dotarsojat7725 agreed lithium and cobalt mining is disgusting business and all these smug losers touting their EV chauvinism need hitting upside the head for their belligerence.
@@Kangenpower7 What's the company that makes the electric wheel set, I am having an issue finding them in the context of semi trucks. My buddy and I(both truckers) were talking about something like that and how it would be beneficial, would like to see how it works.
Let me guess...you plan to ride a unicorn too.
Schneider already has 100 eCascadias in use in Southern California doing intermodal work.
Honestly for truckers say going between one city to the other. They can have a depot in both cities with lots of batteries always charging you can make sure you have a set of new batteries at the drop off depot. drop your load switch out the batteries and keep rocking on. Probably a lot quicker than refueling if done right.
Refueling with H2 takes about 6 mins - JCB has developed a hydrogen bowser for its H2 ICE supply chain. If the rig has higher capacity tanks, then timing can be offset by keeping the supply line at a higher pressure. Just like pumping up a tyre...
Company’s have been trying to use hydrogen as a fuel for years now. It comes with a lot of problems. Fuel need the be stored under massive pressure. Hydrogen isn’t very energy dense so you will need an extremely large tank for it. The stations to pump it will be very expensive and so on. There have been a few hydrogen cars made and they don’t catch on because of all the major problems to over come.
Yeah, and no range. So a tractor trailer would have to fuel up every exit even if u increased the fuel tank size a bit
"Companies".
Hydrogen has been reported to have quadruple the energy density of existing fossil fuels. Diesel might not be able to compete if you can obtain viable sources of Hydrogen fuel.
@@seanandrew2823 Fuel cell cars have decent range afore refueling now as I understand.
Cummins already makes a cng powered engine for the 9 and 12 liters usually found in city transit busses and trash trucks. The 9 shares many parts with its diesel brother but the 12 is almost a mirror image of its diesel counterpart. The problem is natural gas burns so hot that it tends to melt the valves and pistons
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NOx emissions still need to be taken care of in H2 combustion engines as the air which is used with the H2 to make power is a mix of Oxygen and other gases including Nitrogen. The exhaust is not just water! JCB is also working on H2 combustion engines for all the same reasons that you gave. They are close to selling such engines too!
From the last Harry's farm video with JCB, it looks like they have solved NO2 generation issues by controlling the temperature of the combustion
Long live the diesel . They are so much cleaner than they used to be , near zero emissions , tweak them a bit more , and hopefully make them a cinsiderably more reliable , and in many applications , they will likely serve a very useful purpose , for years to come .
I'm really excited about the hydrogen engines!
Thank goodness we will have another option other than electric.
Especially motorcycles, hopefully harley davidson is working on a hydrogen powered v twin!
I don't think Harley will ever build a hydrogen motorcycle. A electric one would be great, but not traditional enough for them. Maybe in 2035, kicking and screaming "Not US", but then when the performance of the electric motorcycle actually comes out, everyone will want one, and they will go 0 to 60 much faster!
Ford had a F-250 that ran on hydrogen using a 6.8L engine and made 550 HP or about 80 horsepower per liter! So a hydrogen powered 3.5L turbocharged V6 could make about 400 HP and power the forward axle on a class 8 truck, then have a electric 400 HP motor on the rear axle, and run it down the road with a 200 KW battery pack, use regenerative braking, and run both motors when they are getting up to speed, or running up a mountain grade.
Hydrogen vehicles have existed for decades but nobody wants them. You say you're excited about hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, but why don't you own a Toyota Mirai, Honda Clarity, or Hyundai Nexo?
Also, Harley's Livewire electric motorcycle is currently one of the best on the market. Like all the rest of them though, needs more range.
@@TecnamTwin cost for the electric, through the roof . Great until the battery goes flat. With the idiots destroying the grid, by windmills and panels, have fun.
Hydrogen does not exist in nature. It takes HUGE amounts of electricity to make hydrogen. It is just a VERY INNEFFICIENT BATTERY and is a total scam
WHAT DO WE DO WITH ALL THE GASOLINE if we stop putting it in our cars because of the 6,000 products including plastics, drugs, fertilizer etc would come to a HALT if we stopped using oil and we CANNOT STOP MAKING GASOLINE if we CONTINUE!
Where will we store it all that gasoline when we move to hydrogen. Love to hear an answer.
Its all one big scam to justify burning TAX DOLLARS, not hydrogen.
@@MsKatjie I am having fun. Currently own Chevy Volt and will transition to BEV once the prices get below $20K without tax credits. Also, solar and wind aren't "destroying the grid." They coupled with every storage solutions will save the grid make blackouts a thing of the past.
I have stock in cummins this is good info to know
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While ICE doesn't make sense for energy production from hydrogen in *general* you're right about the fuel agnostic approach being more practical in the short term.
You can produce some Hydro on site with say solar power, but also bring in diesel when your hydrogen runs out.
Their ENTIRE business is not based on diesel engines. They've been building CNG engines for as long as I can remember.
For the liquid hydrogen, use cryo coolers, they take an extremely small amount of voltage to make the air liquid.
Liquid hydrogen? At -400F the temperature is very cold, and will require a LOT of energy to make it that cold. So they put the pressure to about 8,000 PSI, and that also takes a lot of power, and requires rejecting a lot of heat while compressing the hydrogen. Natural gas also takes a lot of energy to compress it to the 3,000 or 4,000 PSI they run at. I think that hydrogen takes a lot more power than natural gas to compress it. There is also the danger involved with fuel leaks with natural gas or hydrogen, while compressing it, and when fueling the vehicle.
@@Kangenpower7 You can use hydrogen powered generators. In the end there isn’t enough raw materials to make batteries for electric cars.
No. Wrong.
Costs a fortune to make cryogenic ic hydrogen and store it.
It take a lot of energy to liquify gases. Plus, hydrogen doesn’t store the same btu as diesel.
Cummins is not just betting on internal combustion engines, there is also extensive efforts being applied to fuel cells. One of the big problems with compressed hydrogen is the # of BTUs that can be stored in the tanks. Efforts are being done to store hydrogen in solid materials which will avoid the need to compress the gas. It take a lot of energy to create hydrogen from water and when you add the energy to compress the gas, it is not an efficient process.
We had duece and a halfs in the army that were "multifuel" which worked pretty well.
I think they were multifuel because the military generally also has jet fuel available as an alternative to diesel.
I wonder how explosive are those storage tanks in case of an accident?
Big boom. No more person. Red mist.
@Valentin, I'm more scared of Tesla, Toyota, Ford, Nissan and Honda's Lithium Ion Battery Powered Electric Vehicles, when Electric Vehicles catch fires they explode like how little boy ☢️ dropped on Hiroshima did.
about as safe as electric cars are in any accident
@@wizardoftehtime oh that's a joke right there! 🤣🤣🤣 Electric Cars are safe? Oh come on man!!
@@Smokkedandslammed lol
Also, we haven’t seen hybrid diesel electric vehicles like we do on trains. I bet this would be a better progression than just going all in on electric. Maybe, there will be a hybrid electric hydrogen engine in the future.
The diesel-electric locomotive is a series hybrid with or without traction batteries.
Nissan is currently building a series hybrid that they market as the “e-Power” system, which they introduced in 2016.
It’s not available in the US, at least not yet.
The Nissan e-Power uses a petrol engine to drive a generator which powers an electric traction motor. The cars are equipped with a very small (up to 2.2 kWh) traction battery. There is no mechanical connection between the engine and drive wheels.
The only difference between this system and a locomotive diesel-electric is the Nissan uses a petrol engine.
From AutoWeek:
“Nissan's E-Power series-hybrid setup relies on an internal-combustion engine to power an electric motor; the engine has no direct connection to the wheels.
‘The series-hybrid nature of E-Power means it essentially acts like an electric transmission.
‘The absence of a plug, however, means it cannot be classified as an electric vehicle.”
Every locomotive I worked on only had a small battery to start the engine that is used to power the air compressor that runs the starter motor on the two stroke engine that provides the "Motive Power.". They do not store power to run the electric drive motors. The drive motors are variable frequency and variable voltage, running up to 3,000 volts at full throttle.
The locomotives have 3,000 gallon diesel tanks, and get refilled every 24 hours when running coast to coast.
@@Kangenpower7 - Yep, until recently. But now battery-hybrids locomotives do exist - in fact, Amtrak has ordered 15 of them from Siemens.
“The initial order comprises 50 diesel-electric trains, 15 battery-electric hybrids, and the remaining trains will be US EPA Tier 4 diesel locomotives and push-pull coaches.”
“The hybrid-battery powered trains can be charged by either a 480V external power source, by regenerative braking, or by the diesel engine.”
Battery-hybrid trains were used in Europe back in the mid 1980’s:
“In 1986, Czechoslovak locomotive manufacturer ČKD built a prototype hybrid shunting locomotive termed the DA 600. The locomotive was powered a 190-kW diesel engine and four electric motors, with a maximum overall power 360 kW powered from batteries. The batteries were recharged while the diesel engine was running, by regenerative braking or from external electric power.”
In-situ on-demand electrolysis ...
HHO ... or was the Siberian 6x6 Delivery Truck a farce ??
Electricity isn’t the only way to separate H2O chemical separation has been used for 100’s of years nice video
The one truth that no one talks about is that there just isn't enough lithium or cobalt on planet Earth.
Or how toxic it will be to throw away and don’t even bring up the SLAVE LABOR used to get lithium and cobalt. The left don’t want anyone to talk about that. I mean they wholly support the cycle and further have proven they ARE the Party of Slavery just the same as they were prior to the Civil War, during their time living under the name CSA and after they got their asses whooped in the Civil War when they went back to calling themselves Democrats.
People don't talk about it because it's not true. There's plenty and new chemistries are already being developed
Good job calling out the Electrical scam as it is
We used hybrid engines in Norway during ww2, but instead of hydrogen and diesel, it was gasoline and wood. Wood works just fine, but you can't get anywhere near the same amount of power. So resistance fighters would have a secret switch that could toggle between wood and gasoline so if they needed to get away fast, they would switch to gasoline and otherwise run on wood.
To save on having to buy new car or van, just exchange the old diesel or patrol engine replace it with hydrogen engine will we able to that do you think.